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"No, it's barbric, causing too much animal cruelty and suffering. If control of numbers is needed, there are other methods that are superior for reducing that " What methods do you use to control them ? | |||
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"Oscar Wilde described fox hunting as ‘The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable !’ Do you think there is any place in modern society for fox hunting on horse back with hounds, or do you think it should be done by other methods, or that it shouldn’t be done at all and the foxes left alone ? " yes London is ideally suited to fox hunting lots of toffs with stables and certainly more than enough Lil cute hairy bushy tailed foxes  | |||
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"It's one of the things that lost the tories their majority in the last election. Because lots of tories feel very strongly about it, they promised to have another vote on it. However most people think that a strong desire to want to chase after and kill foxes is a bit weird, by extension they thought tories must be a bit weird... " They can still use dogs to ‘flush’ out the fox so it can be caught by a bird of prey, which is very bizarre. | |||
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"I was dreaming about foxes last night. " Fleet Foxes ? | |||
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"Still it will be interesting to see if the thread can finish without anyone making it political or showing contempt / jealousy of people with more money than them. Ooops too late "Everything is political  | |||
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"It's one of the things that lost the tories their majority in the last election. Because lots of tories feel very strongly about it, they promised to have another vote on it. However most people think that a strong desire to want to chase after and kill foxes is a bit weird, by extension they thought tories must be a bit weird... They can still use dogs to ‘flush’ out the fox so it can be caught by a bird of prey, which is very bizarre. " What sort of bird of prey commonly found in England could take out a fox? An Eagle maybe, but you don't get many of them in Sussex.... | |||
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"I was dreaming about foxes last night. " you've got a foxtail butt plug???? | |||
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"Even more Bizarre is the fact foxes where exported to Australia for the purpose of "The Hunt" "Living in the Devon countryside, I know plenty of people who are connected to the hunt. | |||
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"I love hunting, all of my family hunt, shoot and fish. We trail hunt now, we have a runner who heads out dragging a scent and we chase him instead now. " Ok, this could be interesting. | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting.. "When cats kill for pleasure ? | |||
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"I love hunting, all of my family hunt, shoot and fish. We trail hunt now, we have a runner who heads out dragging a scent and we chase him instead now. " Why? | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting.. "Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging  | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging "They often don’t eat what they kill, just bring it into the house as a prize. | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging "Domestic cats don't hunt for food they are already over fed. | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
They often don’t eat what they kill, just bring it into the house as a prize."I’ve got two of the bastards here now looking at me. What shall I do to punish them? Maybe pets at home have Hannibal Lectur face masks I can put on them. Yeah that will teach them. And next I’ll call 999 and hand myself in for being an accomplice by owning them. | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
Domestic cats don't hunt for food they are already over fed. "And you’re trying to tell me what my cats do
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
They often don’t eat what they kill, just bring it into the house as a prize.
I’ve got two of the bastards here now looking at me. What shall I do to punish them? Maybe pets at home have Hannibal Lectur face masks I can put on them. Yeah that will teach them. And next I’ll call 999 and hand myself in for being an accomplice by owning them. "Just show them a photo of a blue tit looking sad cause his father has been torn apart by Félix, they will get the message. | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
Domestic cats don't hunt for food they are already over fed.
And you’re trying to tell me what my cats do
"I'm not trying to tell you what your cats do, you already know. I have cats too, mine are a work tool as they they do a great job controlling mice around the farm. | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging "And for the last part of that post, probably yes. There are a handful of people every year who's crimes against other people are so horrendous they should forfeit their life.  | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
Domestic cats don't hunt for food they are already over fed.
And you’re trying to tell me what my cats do
I'm not trying to tell you what your cats do, you already know. I have cats too, mine are a work tool as they they do a great job controlling mice around the farm."Attack instead of defence then I’m guessing. Why not actually post your real thoughts and possible participation in the subject now. But yes I know what my cats do, not you. | |||
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"Oscar Wilde described fox hunting as ‘The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable !’ Do you think there is any place in modern society for fox hunting on horse back with hounds, or do you think it should be done by other methods, or that it shouldn’t be done at all and the foxes left alone ? " Oscar Wilde said much for his own amusement...and look where it got him Your other methods... You want to replace the hounds with unicorns shitting glitter dust? The hunt have to ride the hounds or the hounds the horses? Your going to give foxy a gun so he can fight back?.... | |||
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"Oscar Wilde described fox hunting as ‘The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable !’ Do you think there is any place in modern society for fox hunting on horse back with hounds, or do you think it should be done by other methods, or that it shouldn’t be done at all and the foxes left alone ? Oscar Wilde said much for his own amusement...and look where it got him Your other methods... You want to replace the hounds with unicorns shitting glitter dust? The hunt have to ride the hounds or the hounds the horses? Your going to give foxy a gun so he can fight back?.... " Oscar Wilde was mocking the English aristocracy with that quote, it was public indecency that got him sent to prison. As for your other points, I haven’t got a clue what the point is you’re trying to make. | |||
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"Oscar Wilde described fox hunting as ‘The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable !’ Do you think there is any place in modern society for fox hunting on horse back with hounds, or do you think it should be done by other methods, or that it shouldn’t be done at all and the foxes left alone ? Oscar Wilde said much for his own amusement...and look where it got him Your other methods... You want to replace the hounds with unicorns shitting glitter dust? The hunt have to ride the hounds or the hounds the horses? Your going to give foxy a gun so he can fight back?.... Oscar Wilde was mocking the English aristocracy with that quote, it was public indecency that got him sent to prison. As for your other points, I haven’t got a clue what the point is you’re trying to make." Rather like I was mocking the mockery then.... He was sent to Reading Goal for homosexuality....it used to be a crime then. And died penniless and shunned in France, from pneumonia I think. | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
They often don’t eat what they kill, just bring it into the house as a prize."Foxes will kill every bird in a hen house if they can get in. They don't just kill for food. They might look sweet and cuddly but they are deadly killers. PS I hand reared an orphan cub until it was old enough to fend for itself before I released it to the wild. | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
They often don’t eat what they kill, just bring it into the house as a prize.
Foxes will kill every bird in a hen house if they can get in.
They don't just kill for food.
They might look sweet and cuddly but they are deadly killers.
PS I hand reared an orphan cub until it was old enough to fend for itself before I released it to the wild."Not true. Left to its own devices a fox will return and take every body and bury it, thus creating a larder for itself. They generally get disturbed though. | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
They often don’t eat what they kill, just bring it into the house as a prize.
Foxes will kill every bird in a hen house if they can get in.
They don't just kill for food.
They might look sweet and cuddly but they are deadly killers.
PS I hand reared an orphan cub until it was old enough to fend for itself before I released it to the wild."Foxes kill surplus prey, even if they are not hungry and cache it for later use. | |||
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"Should never have banned it same as other sports with dogs such as badger baiting and hare coursing it's been a way of life for years and years and was done for a reason. It's not cruel as a healthy fox will get away from any hound so the only ones that are getting killed arrvthe weaker ones that can't get there food anyway. And there is a lot more about now compared 2007 when the ban came in you it was very rare to seem them then round where I live now I will see one every other night. They need to be controlled same as anything animal does and itbwqs the beat way of doing it because you can't always shoot them where they are so dogs are they next thing. " So they only catch the weak and sick? I’m not sure that helps the cause. If we are overrun with foxes (and I have no idea if we are) there has to be a better way of controlling it than a group of horse and hounds chasing them across the countryside and taking pleasure from an unnecessary torturous death. Whatever the ultimate aim of it, the process is cruel. | |||
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"Should never have banned it same as other sports with dogs such as badger baiting and hare coursing it's been a way of life for years and years and was done for a reason. It's not cruel as a healthy fox will get away from any hound so the only ones that are getting killed arrvthe weaker ones that can't get there food anyway. And there is a lot more about now compared 2007 when the ban came in you it was very rare to seem them then round where I live now I will see one every other night. They need to be controlled same as anything animal does and itbwqs the beat way of doing it because you can't always shoot them where they are so dogs are they next thing. So they only catch the weak and sick? I’m not sure that helps the cause. If we are overrun with foxes (and I have no idea if we are) there has to be a better way of controlling it than a group of horse and hounds chasing them across the countryside and taking pleasure from an unnecessary torturous death. Whatever the ultimate aim of it, the process is cruel. " Ye they won't catch a healthy fox as it will be way faster than any dog even a good long dog won't catch a healthy fox. Sontheybare doing they unfit unhealthy fox a Faber really rather than it starve to death and it not like people see on videos that the antics put up where there are lots of dogs pulling it to pieces because a pack of dogs is like any other animal that hunts in a pack there will be one dog in the pack that is the strongest and fittest and would have killed the fox by with in a few seconds before the others start to rip it to pieces. | |||
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"A healthy fit Fox will never be caught by a pack of Hounds x only the week injured ill Will Be caught " So, what they then do, instead of being sporting and saying well done Mr (or Mrs) fox, you really outfoxed us this time and, then leaving it alone...they dig the poor thing out of its hole, if they can and then let the dogs at it. It kinda takes the sport out of sporting doesn't it! | |||
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"Should never have banned it same as other sports with dogs such as badger baiting and hare coursing it's been a way of life for years and years and was done for a reason. It's not cruel as a healthy fox will get away from any hound so the only ones that are getting killed arrvthe weaker ones that can't get there food anyway. And there is a lot more about now compared 2007 when the ban came in you it was very rare to seem them then round where I live now I will see one every other night. They need to be controlled same as anything animal does and itbwqs the beat way of doing it because you can't always shoot them where they are so dogs are they next thing. So they only catch the weak and sick? I’m not sure that helps the cause. If we are overrun with foxes (and I have no idea if we are) there has to be a better way of controlling it than a group of horse and hounds chasing them across the countryside and taking pleasure from an unnecessary torturous death. Whatever the ultimate aim of it, the process is cruel. " Have you ever seen the inside of an abattoir? | |||
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"I think the actually act of dressing up on horse back, wearing red waistcoats and chasing foxes across the country, is perverse and twisted. There’s a strange juxtaposition where the people hunting the foxes often love the sight of the animal. You often see painting of foxes in peoples houses in the country. They always use the same excuses, it’s a way of life, it’s tradition etc But it boils down to they actually enjoy the sport however much they dress it up. I’ve lived in the country all my like and even since I was a kid I just found it fucking weird thing to do. " So do you find pheasant and grouse shooting weird too? Or fishing... | |||
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"So if you're a farmer and you've got a gun and you shoot a fox but you don't kill it outright and the Fox take a couple of hours or a couple of days to die from its injuries that's ok but a pack of Hounds will rip a fox up and kill it when a matter of seconds now tell me which one is cruel" Easy to answer...you don't take the shot unless you are sure it's a kill shot. | |||
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"Should never have banned it same as other sports with dogs such as badger baiting and hare coursing it's been a way of life for years and years and was done for a reason. It's not cruel as a healthy fox will get away from any hound so the only ones that are getting killed arrvthe weaker ones that can't get there food anyway. And there is a lot more about now compared 2007 when the ban came in you it was very rare to seem them then round where I live now I will see one every other night. They need to be controlled same as anything animal does and itbwqs the beat way of doing it because you can't always shoot them where they are so dogs are they next thing. So they only catch the weak and sick? I’m not sure that helps the cause. If we are overrun with foxes (and I have no idea if we are) there has to be a better way of controlling it than a group of horse and hounds chasing them across the countryside and taking pleasure from an unnecessary torturous death. Whatever the ultimate aim of it, the process is cruel. Have you ever seen the inside of an abattoir?" I have unfortunately and hopefully never again but I’m not clear what that has to do with fox hunting? | |||
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"I think the actually act of dressing up on horse back, wearing red waistcoats and chasing foxes across the country, is perverse and twisted. There’s a strange juxtaposition where the people hunting the foxes often love the sight of the animal. You often see painting of foxes in peoples houses in the country. They always use the same excuses, it’s a way of life, it’s tradition etc But it boils down to they actually enjoy the sport however much they dress it up. I’ve lived in the country all my like and even since I was a kid I just found it fucking weird thing to do. So do you find pheasant and grouse shooting weird too? Or fishing... " Yes, but not as weird as 30 people on horse back chasing something slightly bigger than a domestic cat, with a pack of dogs and an owl. Plus not forgeting the people that follow it all in cars. | |||
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"So if you're a farmer and you've got a gun and you shoot a fox but you don't kill it outright and the Fox take a couple of hours or a couple of days to die from its injuries that's ok but a pack of Hounds will rip a fox up and kill it when a matter of seconds now tell me which one is cruel" Both but one is for sport and a persons personal enjoyment and one isn’t. | |||
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"So if you're a farmer and you've got a gun and you shoot a fox but you don't kill it outright and the Fox take a couple of hours or a couple of days to die from its injuries that's ok but a pack of Hounds will rip a fox up and kill it when a matter of seconds now tell me which one is cruel Both but one is for sport and a persons personal enjoyment and one isn’t. " I hope the foxes appreciate the difference  | |||
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"So if you're a farmer and you've got a gun and you shoot a fox but you don't kill it outright and the Fox take a couple of hours or a couple of days to die from its injuries that's ok but a pack of Hounds will rip a fox up and kill it when a matter of seconds now tell me which one is cruel Both but one is for sport and a persons personal enjoyment and one isn’t. I hope the foxes appreciate the difference "The Fox is fighting for its life either way. | |||
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"Is fishing for sport any better than fox hunting?" Well, they’re usually eaten or put back. | |||
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"Is fishing for sport any better than fox hunting?" Don't people usually eat the fish they catch? | |||
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"Is fishing for sport any better than fox hunting? Don't people usually eat the fish they catch? " No, not always - a lot of the time they're caught, weighed, pics taken for "trophy" wall and thrown back. This is after they've been skewered through the mouth with a bit of sharpened metal, pulled out of their natural environment into one they can't breathe in, handled by humans, then had the hook wrenched out, inevitably causing damage to their mouths, then thrown back in. Great sport | |||
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"I was dreaming about foxes last night. " I seen one last night out my bedroom window...lovely looking little thing. But I might think differently if I had a pet cat outside  | |||
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"Should never have banned it same as other sports with dogs such as badger baiting and hare coursing it's been a way of life for years and years and was done for a reason. It's not cruel as a healthy fox will get away from any hound so the only ones that are getting killed arrvthe weaker ones that can't get there food anyway. And there is a lot more about now compared 2007 when the ban came in you it was very rare to seem them then round where I live now I will see one every other night. They need to be controlled same as anything animal does and itbwqs the beat way of doing it because you can't always shoot them where they are so dogs are they next thing. So they only catch the weak and sick? I’m not sure that helps the cause. If we are overrun with foxes (and I have no idea if we are) there has to be a better way of controlling it than a group of horse and hounds chasing them across the countryside and taking pleasure from an unnecessary torturous death. Whatever the ultimate aim of it, the process is cruel. Have you ever seen the inside of an abattoir? I have unfortunately and hopefully never again but I’m not clear what that has to do with fox hunting? " I was suggesting cruelty comes in many forms. Fox hunting is a minority "sport" historically rural, and in a modern urban politically correct context an easy "target". The logic deficit between what's considered acceptable cruelty and what isn't e.g. fox hunting is clearly palpable. But it's still a logic deficit. | |||
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x" They are still allowed to use dogs to ‘flush’ out the fox so it can be caught by a bird of prey. | |||
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"Is fishing for sport any better than fox hunting? Well, they’re usually eaten or put back. " So the stress on the fishing being taken out of it's natural environment, dangling from a hook in its mouth until grabbed by a human hand and pulled free, often damaging the fish in the process is acceptable pain....whilst a fox being "ripped apart"...The usual emotive words isn't? Killing to eat is ok? Grouse pheasant sheep cattle etc too. More than a little logic deficit in your argument. I prefer my personal prejudices to be placed with a little logic... | |||
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x" I wondered when somebody would point out that it is not only technically, but by law illegal, to hunt foxes (or any other animal) with hounds. It is now drag hunting, in other words, following an artificially laid scent trail. I believe in Scotland, they use hounds to push foxes towards people with guns who shoot them (with various levels of effectiveness). The fox population of Scotland has reduced dramatically since the introduction of the Hunting (with hounds) Act ! | |||
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"Should never have banned it same as other sports with dogs such as badger baiting and hare coursing it's been a way of life for years and years and was done for a reason. It's not cruel as a healthy fox will get away from any hound so the only ones that are getting killed arrvthe weaker ones that can't get there food anyway. And there is a lot more about now compared 2007 when the ban came in you it was very rare to seem them then round where I live now I will see one every other night. They need to be controlled same as anything animal does and itbwqs the beat way of doing it because you can't always shoot them where they are so dogs are they next thing. So they only catch the weak and sick? I’m not sure that helps the cause. If we are overrun with foxes (and I have no idea if we are) there has to be a better way of controlling it than a group of horse and hounds chasing them across the countryside and taking pleasure from an unnecessary torturous death. Whatever the ultimate aim of it, the process is cruel. Have you ever seen the inside of an abattoir? I have unfortunately and hopefully never again but I’m not clear what that has to do with fox hunting? I was suggesting cruelty comes in many forms. Fox hunting is a minority "sport" historically rural, and in a modern urban politically correct context an easy "target". The logic deficit between what's considered acceptable cruelty and what isn't e.g. fox hunting is clearly palpable. But it's still a logic deficit. " Foxes are mammals, fish aren't. So we" feel" foxes pain more. Just had we would feel a fishes pain more than a flies. The logic is that a more an animal is like us the more bothered we are by its pain. | |||
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"Is fishing for sport any better than fox hunting? Well, they’re usually eaten or put back. So the stress on the fishing being taken out of it's natural environment, dangling from a hook in its mouth until grabbed by a human hand and pulled free, often damaging the fish in the process is acceptable pain....whilst a fox being "ripped apart"...The usual emotive words isn't? Killing to eat is ok? Grouse pheasant sheep cattle etc too. More than a little logic deficit in your argument. I prefer my personal prejudices to be placed with a little logic... " Calm down you plum, where did I say anywhere that any hunting is acceptable. | |||
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"Oscar Wilde described fox hunting as ‘The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable !’ Do you think there is any place in modern society for fox hunting on horse back with hounds, or do you think it should be done by other methods, or that it shouldn’t be done at all and the foxes left alone ? " They should be left alone. It's done under the guise of some kind of cultural thing... like shrunken heads... another dead and wrong and misplaced cultural pursuit | |||
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"Fox hunting is barbaric and cruel as is all trophy hunting." What about vixen hunting  | |||
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x I wondered when somebody would point out that it is not only technically, but by law illegal, to hunt foxes (or any other animal) with hounds. It is now drag hunting, in other words, following an artificially laid scent trail. I believe in Scotland, they use hounds to push foxes towards people with guns who shoot them (with various levels of effectiveness). The fox population of Scotland has reduced dramatically since the introduction of the Hunting (with hounds) Act !" Can still use dogs for hunting I.e rabbits and rats but can't lamp rabbits | |||
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"Should never have banned it same as other sports with dogs such as badger baiting and hare coursing it's been a way of life for years and years and was done for a reason. It's not cruel as a healthy fox will get away from any hound so the only ones that are getting killed arrvthe weaker ones that can't get there food anyway. And there is a lot more about now compared 2007 when the ban came in you it was very rare to seem them then round where I live now I will see one every other night. They need to be controlled same as anything animal does and itbwqs the beat way of doing it because you can't always shoot them where they are so dogs are they next thing. So they only catch the weak and sick? I’m not sure that helps the cause. If we are overrun with foxes (and I have no idea if we are) there has to be a better way of controlling it than a group of horse and hounds chasing them across the countryside and taking pleasure from an unnecessary torturous death. Whatever the ultimate aim of it, the process is cruel. Have you ever seen the inside of an abattoir? I have unfortunately and hopefully never again but I’m not clear what that has to do with fox hunting? I was suggesting cruelty comes in many forms. Fox hunting is a minority "sport" historically rural, and in a modern urban politically correct context an easy "target". The logic deficit between what's considered acceptable cruelty and what isn't e.g. fox hunting is clearly palpable. But it's still a logic deficit. " Cruelty does indeed come in many forms. All the worse for being a ‘sport’ in this case which is why fox hunting is always mentioned. Animals are killed for many reasons but I don’t like the thought of anything suffering at the hands of people’s fun and enjoyment. I wouldn’t want to be the type of person to inflict or enjoy. | |||
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but I don't agree that a pack of dogs ripping them apart is the way to go.
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"I love hunting, all of my family hunt, shoot and fish. We trail hunt now, we have a runner who heads out dragging a scent and we chase him instead now. " | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
They often don’t eat what they kill, just bring it into the house as a prize.
Foxes will kill every bird in a hen house if they can get in.
They don't just kill for food.
They might look sweet and cuddly but they are deadly killers.
PS I hand reared an orphan cub until it was old enough to fend for itself before I released it to the wild."Of course. For a repeat food source. Fortunately keeping fences in a proper state of repair is fairly basic (unless you farm cattle and prefer shooting badgers as an excuse for not doing so) and all but the smallest farms receive a great deal of public money which can be used for such purposes. | |||
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"Twice in the last year I’ve had wounded foxes close to the house. In one case taking chickens. They were wounded by botched attempts to shoot them and in a pretty awful state. I live 3 miles from the local hunt kennels and in both cases I called them to come and put them out of their misery. I’m neither pro nor anti and can see both sides of the argument. However the hunt kennels do provide an invaluable fallen stock service which I have used in the past and no doubt will use in the future." | |||
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"Killing animals should not be a fun social occasion. Yes foxes need their numbers controlled, I watched a fox jump my garden fence and steal one of my pet ducks on Tuesday but I don't agree that a pack of dogs ripping them apart is the way to go.
And the control argument for hunting doesn't work for me because as far as I know about 1/3 of foxes in this country are urban, I can't imagine a bunch of hooray Henry's charging about the streets of London on their hunters."This is so true, more killed by traffic than ever ripped apart by dogs. So most have adapted to living in the town... | |||
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x I wondered when somebody would point out that it is not only technically, but by law illegal, to hunt foxes (or any other animal) with hounds. It is now drag hunting, in other words, following an artificially laid scent trail. I believe in Scotland, they use hounds to push foxes towards people with guns who shoot them (with various levels of effectiveness). The fox population of Scotland has reduced dramatically since the introduction of the Hunting (with hounds) Act ! Can still use dogs for hunting I.e rabbits and rats but can't lamp rabbits " Really? Hunting rabbits with dogs, that's a new one on me! I use dogs to retrieve shot rabbits, but haven't heard of Rabbit Hounds/packs. Rats I'll give you, that's what terriers are mainly for after all. As far as I'm aware, providing appropriate permission has been granted, lamping rabbits isn't illegal. | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
They often don’t eat what they kill, just bring it into the house as a prize.
Foxes will kill every bird in a hen house if they can get in.
They don't just kill for food.
They might look sweet and cuddly but they are deadly killers.
PS I hand reared an orphan cub until it was old enough to fend for itself before I released it to the wild.
Not true.
Left to its own devices a fox will return and take every body and bury it, thus creating a larder for itself. They generally get disturbed though."This
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x I wondered when somebody would point out that it is not only technically, but by law illegal, to hunt foxes (or any other animal) with hounds. It is now drag hunting, in other words, following an artificially laid scent trail. I believe in Scotland, they use hounds to push foxes towards people with guns who shoot them (with various levels of effectiveness). The fox population of Scotland has reduced dramatically since the introduction of the Hunting (with hounds) Act !" Trail hunting is predominantly bullshit. Surrounding woods full of hounds and making banging noises on saddles and telegraph poles, to keep fox cubs inside the woods is not trail hunting. Men on quads with spades accompanying hunts is not for the purpose of trail hunting. Hiring gangs of masked men to attack people filming, is not done for the purpose of preventing them filming dogs and horse riders along an invisible trail. Feeding and releasing foxes or throwing them to hounds in sheds and dumping them in bins afterwards is not for trail hunting. And even those hunters who are stupid enough to believe that people believe are stupid enough to believe they are trail hunting, are not stupid enough to lay trails through areas of dense and incredibly spikey gorse bushes. Or across national speed limit A roads. Or ending in people's gardens. Even brazenly chasing foxes on horse back with packs of hounds and making zero attempt to call them off is not trail hunting. | |||
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"I love hunting, all of my family hunt, shoot and fish. We trail hunt now, we have a runner who heads out dragging a scent and we chase him instead now. " You can pm me if you like, but how do you find using the trail? | |||
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
They often don’t eat what they kill, just bring it into the house as a prize."It's a present to say thank you and I love you. If it's still alive, then it's to say "I'm going to teach you how to hunt - you aren't feeding me enough!) | |||
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"Is fishing for sport any better than fox hunting? Well, they’re usually eaten or put back. So the stress on the fishing being taken out of it's natural environment, dangling from a hook in its mouth until grabbed by a human hand and pulled free, often damaging the fish in the process is acceptable pain....whilst a fox being "ripped apart"...The usual emotive words isn't? Killing to eat is ok? Grouse pheasant sheep cattle etc too. More than a little logic deficit in your argument. I prefer my personal prejudices to be placed with a little logic... Calm down you plum, where did I say anywhere that any hunting is acceptable." Inferred by your comment on fish being put back or eaten. And I'm perfectly calm...as always plum! I am merely pointing out the inconsistency of thought process by some on this thread | |||
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"Should never have banned it same as other sports with dogs such as badger baiting and hare coursing it's been a way of life for years and years and was done for a reason. It's not cruel as a healthy fox will get away from any hound so the only ones that are getting killed arrvthe weaker ones that can't get there food anyway. And there is a lot more about now compared 2007 when the ban came in you it was very rare to seem them then round where I live now I will see one every other night. They need to be controlled same as anything animal does and itbwqs the beat way of doing it because you can't always shoot them where they are so dogs are they next thing. So they only catch the weak and sick? I’m not sure that helps the cause. If we are overrun with foxes (and I have no idea if we are) there has to be a better way of controlling it than a group of horse and hounds chasing them across the countryside and taking pleasure from an unnecessary torturous death. Whatever the ultimate aim of it, the process is cruel. Have you ever seen the inside of an abattoir? I have unfortunately and hopefully never again but I’m not clear what that has to do with fox hunting? I was suggesting cruelty comes in many forms. Fox hunting is a minority "sport" historically rural, and in a modern urban politically correct context an easy "target". The logic deficit between what's considered acceptable cruelty and what isn't e.g. fox hunting is clearly palpable. But it's still a logic deficit. Foxes are mammals, fish aren't. So we" feel" foxes pain more. Just had we would feel a fishes pain more than a flies. The logic is that a more an animal is like us the more bothered we are by its pain. " As I said before... cattle queing yo be bolted in an abbatoir while watching the beast in front dispatched. We do not "feel" an animals pain. We cannot we are not that animal. We may develop a social response to the perceived pain of detail animals based on our emotional or social conditioning. Can't kill a fluffy bunny or foxes cos they are cute, but culling cattle is acceptable? | |||
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"I am anti foxhunting. I have been since a child (when I lived in the countryside). I am against all cruel "sports" - grouse/pheasant shooting, deer shooting, badger baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting and anything else that falls into that category (and plenty more that are legal and don't). I'm also against the badger shooting to protect cows from TB - there is no evidence to suggest that it is effective. I am also a vegetarian - don't own cats, but it is a natural instinct for a cat to hunt so I see no problem with them hunting. Anyone want to berate me for my views?" No I’m glad I’m not being vilified again for owning a couple of moggies that mostly like to eat what they catch. Mice, birds, frogs. Biggest is partridge or pigeon. My cats are like feckin surgeons the way they extract the not so good bits 
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"I am anti foxhunting. I have been since a child (when I lived in the countryside). I am against all cruel "sports" - grouse/pheasant shooting, deer shooting, badger baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting and anything else that falls into that category (and plenty more that are legal and don't). I'm also against the badger shooting to protect cows from TB - there is no evidence to suggest that it is effective. I am also a vegetarian - don't own cats, but it is a natural instinct for a cat to hunt so I see no problem with them hunting. Anyone want to berate me for my views? No I’m glad I’m not being vilified again for owning a couple of moggies that mostly like to eat what they catch. Mice, birds, frogs. Biggest is partridge or pigeon. My cats are like feckin surgeons the way they extract the not so good bits
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"Is fishing for sport any better than fox hunting? Well, they’re usually eaten or put back. So the stress on the fishing being taken out of it's natural environment, dangling from a hook in its mouth until grabbed by a human hand and pulled free, often damaging the fish in the process is acceptable pain....whilst a fox being "ripped apart"...The usual emotive words isn't? Killing to eat is ok? Grouse pheasant sheep cattle etc too. More than a little logic deficit in your argument. I prefer my personal prejudices to be placed with a little logic... Calm down you plum, where did I say anywhere that any hunting is acceptable. Inferred by your comment on fish being put back or eaten. And I'm perfectly calm...as always plum! I am merely pointing out the inconsistency of thought process by some on this thread" You deduce from the fact that fish are either eaten or put back (which they are) that I meant that fishing is acceptable, think it’s you who’s thought process that’s inconsistent you total plum. | |||
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"I am anti foxhunting. I have been since a child (when I lived in the countryside). I am against all cruel "sports" - grouse/pheasant shooting, deer shooting, badger baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting and anything else that falls into that category (and plenty more that are legal and don't). I'm also against the badger shooting to protect cows from TB - there is no evidence to suggest that it is effective. I am also a vegetarian - don't own cats, but it is a natural instinct for a cat to hunt so I see no problem with them hunting. Anyone want to berate me for my views? No I’m glad I’m not being vilified again for owning a couple of moggies that mostly like to eat what they catch. Mice, birds, frogs. Biggest is partridge or pigeon. My cats are like feckin surgeons the way they extract the not so good bits
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"I'm not going to stick up for fox hunting with dogs but I do always find it ironic when cat owners are passionately anti hunting..
Animals hunting for food. Whatever next. Bring back hanging
Domestic cats don't hunt for food they are already over fed.
And you’re trying to tell me what my cats do
I'm not trying to tell you what your cats do, you already know. I have cats too, mine are a work tool as they they do a great job controlling mice around the farm.
Attack instead of defence then I’m guessing. Why not actually post your real thoughts and possible participation in the subject now.
But yes I know what my cats do, not you. "Congratulations on having the only cats that don't do what cats do... Funny how cat owners can justify anything when it comes to their cats. | |||
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"Unfortunately I can't find it but when the original fox hunting vote was going through parliament, Labour funded an independent report on fox hunting. Unfortunately for them it actually stated that fox hunting was actually an effective form of control, so obviously they didn't use the report to fight their corner..." It was the Burns Inquiry Commissioned by Jack Straw (then Home Sec), at a cost of £7m to the taxpayers (us, in other words) and ignored by Tony B.Liar and his Labour government. Resulted in the Hunting Act 2004. | |||
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"Is fishing for sport any better than fox hunting? Well, they’re usually eaten or put back. So the stress on the fishing being taken out of it's natural environment, dangling from a hook in its mouth until grabbed by a human hand and pulled free, often damaging the fish in the process is acceptable pain....whilst a fox being "ripped apart"...The usual emotive words isn't? Killing to eat is ok? Grouse pheasant sheep cattle etc too. More than a little logic deficit in your argument. I prefer my personal prejudices to be placed with a little logic... Calm down you plum, where did I say anywhere that any hunting is acceptable. Inferred by your comment on fish being put back or eaten. And I'm perfectly calm...as always plum! I am merely pointing out the inconsistency of thought process by some on this thread You deduce from the fact that fish are either eaten or put back (which they are) that I meant that fishing is acceptable, think it’s you who’s thought process that’s inconsistent you total plum. " Context is all. Your comment was a direct response to someone up the thread asking if fishing was acceptable. The inference of your response was far from negative and included a justification for fishing...ie they are put back or eaten! Perhaps you have an issue when anyone dares to question your own thought processes? And the "total plum" comment, twice now. Just a bit juvenile....don't you think? | |||
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"It's one of the things that lost the tories their majority in the last election. Because lots of tories feel very strongly about it, they promised to have another vote on it. However most people think that a strong desire to want to chase after and kill foxes is a bit weird, by extension they thought tories must be a bit weird... " It exposes a particular streak of cruelty amongst certain Tories. First they came for the foxes . . . | |||
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"Is fishing for sport any better than fox hunting? Well, they’re usually eaten or put back. So the stress on the fishing being taken out of it's natural environment, dangling from a hook in its mouth until grabbed by a human hand and pulled free, often damaging the fish in the process is acceptable pain....whilst a fox being "ripped apart"...The usual emotive words isn't? Killing to eat is ok? Grouse pheasant sheep cattle etc too. More than a little logic deficit in your argument. I prefer my personal prejudices to be placed with a little logic... Calm down you plum, where did I say anywhere that any hunting is acceptable. Inferred by your comment on fish being put back or eaten. And I'm perfectly calm...as always plum! I am merely pointing out the inconsistency of thought process by some on this thread You deduce from the fact that fish are either eaten or put back (which they are) that I meant that fishing is acceptable, think it’s you who’s thought process that’s inconsistent you total plum. Context is all. Your comment was a direct response to someone up the thread asking if fishing was acceptable. The inference of your response was far from negative and included a justification for fishing...ie they are put back or eaten! Perhaps you have an issue when anyone dares to question your own thought processes? And the "total plum" comment, twice now. Just a bit juvenile....don't you think?" Plum | |||
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"Fox hunting is illegal. Drag hunting isnt. During the "fox" hunts, they arent really hunting foxes. However you do get some wankers who do. These are the ones who get into the papers and give those who drag hunt a bad name" As it has been since 2004. There will always be the odd "bad apple", but nowhere near as many as the antis (LACS/IFAW/PETA etc etc) would have believe, as is borne out by the scarcity of court cases and convictions. Crown Prosecution Service was recently castigated for wasting the courts time, following a number of cases being thrown out for lack of evidence! | |||
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x I wondered when somebody would point out that it is not only technically, but by law illegal, to hunt foxes (or any other animal) with hounds. It is now drag hunting, in other words, following an artificially laid scent trail. I believe in Scotland, they use hounds to push foxes towards people with guns who shoot them (with various levels of effectiveness). The fox population of Scotland has reduced dramatically since the introduction of the Hunting (with hounds) Act ! Trail hunting is predominantly bullshit. Surrounding woods full of hounds and making banging noises on saddles and telegraph poles, to keep fox cubs inside the woods is not trail hunting. Men on quads with spades accompanying hunts is not for the purpose of trail hunting. Hiring gangs of masked men to attack people filming, is not done for the purpose of preventing them filming dogs and horse riders along an invisible trail. Feeding and releasing foxes or throwing them to hounds in sheds and dumping them in bins afterwards is not for trail hunting. And even those hunters who are stupid enough to believe that people believe are stupid enough to believe they are trail hunting, are not stupid enough to lay trails through areas of dense and incredibly spikey gorse bushes. Or across national speed limit A roads. Or ending in people's gardens. Even brazenly chasing foxes on horse back with packs of hounds and making zero attempt to call them off is not trail hunting." | |||
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"Inbred gentry and the like,its a class status thing" That's the way Labour portrayed it, as another part of the class war. Proven to be anything but I'm afraid, the majority of hunt supporters, including Masters, are actually "working class" people | |||
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"Fox hunting is illegal. Drag hunting isnt. During the "fox" hunts, they arent really hunting foxes. However you do get some wankers who do. These are the ones who get into the papers and give those who drag hunt a bad name As it has been since 2004. There will always be the odd "bad apple", but nowhere near as many as the antis (LACS/IFAW/PETA etc etc) would have believe, as is borne out by the scarcity of court cases and convictions. Crown Prosecution Service was recently castigated for wasting the courts time, following a number of cases being thrown out for lack of evidence!" My mam's mate breeds hunt hounds. If a pup (when in training) doesnt stop following the scent of a fox, the pup is rehomed. | |||
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x I wondered when somebody would point out that it is not only technically, but by law illegal, to hunt foxes (or any other animal) with hounds. It is now drag hunting, in other words, following an artificially laid scent trail. I believe in Scotland, they use hounds to push foxes towards people with guns who shoot them (with various levels of effectiveness). The fox population of Scotland has reduced dramatically since the introduction of the Hunting (with hounds) Act !" Probably the same story in most of the countryside. Populations of foxes were managed on estates for the purposes of being hunted. When hunting was made illegal there was no point in allowing the foxes to live and possibly endanger lambs etc. So they were gassed or shot or both. | |||
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"A fit Fox would escape, a wounded or ill Fox was quickly killed. Hunting was survival of the fittest. Sadly they are shot now, and if wounded die later from gangrene. In the real world animal welfare isn't a simple thing. Like someone spending 200k to shoot a giraffe. The old giraffe dies, quickly and humanely, rather than slowly of starvation, the local game reserve gets 200k for anti poaching patrols to save rhinos......the world is a wierd place!" So how is killing the weak foxes and letting the fit healthy one's live, in anyway pest control. So hunters mentality is they actually think the whole 1-2 unhealthy foxes they torture per hunt is actually an effective pest control method. So leaving the stronger more robust foxes to a spread their genes is all part of the pest control argument then. Must be the towney in me not getting it, as leaving the fit ones to continue breeding, and killing the weak ones isn't pest control, it's fucking conservation. And anyone bitching about foxes killing their animals, then that's your fault for not doing enough to protect them. And if your such a shit shot that you don't kill a fox outright, you have no business shooting for pest control methods and should be getting professionals in. | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong " No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. | |||
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"A fit Fox would escape, a wounded or ill Fox was quickly killed. Hunting was survival of the fittest. Sadly they are shot now, and if wounded die later from gangrene. In the real world animal welfare isn't a simple thing. Like someone spending 200k to shoot a giraffe. The old giraffe dies, quickly and humanely, rather than slowly of starvation, the local game reserve gets 200k for anti poaching patrols to save rhinos......the world is a wierd place! So how is killing the weak foxes and letting the fit healthy one's live, in anyway pest control. So hunters mentality is they actually think the whole 1-2 unhealthy foxes they torture per hunt is actually an effective pest control method. So leaving the stronger more robust foxes to a spread their genes is all part of the pest control argument then. Must be the towney in me not getting it, as leaving the fit ones to continue breeding, and killing the weak ones isn't pest control, it's fucking conservation. And anyone bitching about foxes killing their animals, then that's your fault for not doing enough to protect them. And if your such a shit shot that you don't kill a fox outright, you have no business shooting for pest control methods and should be getting professionals in. " Th unfit foxes are the ones that kill poultry and lambs. Healthy foxes eat rabbits. Trails are hunted now in UK. They still hunt in Ireland, France and US. | |||
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"A fit Fox would escape, a wounded or ill Fox was quickly killed. Hunting was survival of the fittest. Sadly they are shot now, and if wounded die later from gangrene. In the real world animal welfare isn't a simple thing. Like someone spending 200k to shoot a giraffe. The old giraffe dies, quickly and humanely, rather than slowly of starvation, the local game reserve gets 200k for anti poaching patrols to save rhinos......the world is a wierd place! So how is killing the weak foxes and letting the fit healthy one's live, in anyway pest control. So hunters mentality is they actually think the whole 1-2 unhealthy foxes they torture per hunt is actually an effective pest control method. So leaving the stronger more robust foxes to a spread their genes is all part of the pest control argument then. Must be the towney in me not getting it, as leaving the fit ones to continue breeding, and killing the weak ones isn't pest control, it's fucking conservation. And anyone bitching about foxes killing their animals, then that's your fault for not doing enough to protect them. And if your such a shit shot that you don't kill a fox outright, you have no business shooting for pest control methods and should be getting professionals in. Th unfit foxes are the ones that kill poultry and lambs. Healthy foxes eat rabbits. Trails are hunted now in UK. They still hunt in Ireland, France and US. " That still comes down to owners not doing enough to protect their animals. We had chickens who shared a field with foxes. Not once did we lose any to the foxes, because we actually build appropriate shelters that they couldn't get into. If livestock are being killed by foxes, that's down to laziness and being too cheap to protect your animals. | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong " You plainly know absolutely nothing about pheasant shooting !! | |||
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"Fox hunting is illegal. Drag hunting isnt. During the "fox" hunts, they arent really hunting foxes. However you do get some wankers who do. These are the ones who get into the papers and give those who drag hunt a bad name As it has been since 2004. There will always be the odd "bad apple", but nowhere near as many as the antis (LACS/IFAW/PETA etc etc) would have believe, as is borne out by the scarcity of court cases and convictions. Crown Prosecution Service was recently castigated for wasting the courts time, following a number of cases being thrown out for lack of evidence! My mam's mate breeds hunt hounds. If a pup (when in training) doesnt stop following the scent of a fox, the pup is rehomed. " fox hunting still remains lawful in Northern Ireland!! | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong You plainly know absolutely nothing about pheasant shooting !! Hahahahahahahah brilliant! Dumb shit! Have no idea... is this opportunities for people who think they know it all jumping in! No idea about hunting!" Educating the uneducated......it's a thankless task, but some of us do persist nevertheless | |||
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"A fit Fox would escape, a wounded or ill Fox was quickly killed. Hunting was survival of the fittest. Sadly they are shot now, and if wounded die later from gangrene. In the real world animal welfare isn't a simple thing. Like someone spending 200k to shoot a giraffe. The old giraffe dies, quickly and humanely, rather than slowly of starvation, the local game reserve gets 200k for anti poaching patrols to save rhinos......the world is a wierd place! So how is killing the weak foxes and letting the fit healthy one's live, in anyway pest control. So hunters mentality is they actually think the whole 1-2 unhealthy foxes they torture per hunt is actually an effective pest control method. So leaving the stronger more robust foxes to a spread their genes is all part of the pest control argument then. Must be the towney in me not getting it, as leaving the fit ones to continue breeding, and killing the weak ones isn't pest control, it's fucking conservation. And anyone bitching about foxes killing their animals, then that's your fault for not doing enough to protect them. And if your such a shit shot that you don't kill a fox outright, you have no business shooting for pest control methods and should be getting professionals in. Th unfit foxes are the ones that kill poultry and lambs. Healthy foxes eat rabbits. Trails are hunted now in UK. They still hunt in Ireland, France and US. That still comes down to owners not doing enough to protect their animals. We had chickens who shared a field with foxes. Not once did we lose any to the foxes, because we actually build appropriate shelters that they couldn't get into. If livestock are being killed by foxes, that's down to laziness and being too cheap to protect your animals. " I would hardly call farmers lazy, they can’t patrol their fields continuously. | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong You plainly know absolutely nothing about pheasant shooting !! Hahahahahahahah brilliant! Dumb shit! Have no idea... is this opportunities for people who think they know it all jumping in! No idea about hunting! Educating the uneducated......it's a thankless task, but some of us do persist nevertheless "BANG - birds up! BANG - shit I missed... hold on pheasant can you just hover around while I reload as my dog is chilling back at the Land Rovers hahaha | |||
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x I wondered when somebody would point out that it is not only technically, but by law illegal, to hunt foxes (or any other animal) with hounds. It is now drag hunting, in other words, following an artificially laid scent trail. I believe in Scotland, they use hounds to push foxes towards people with guns who shoot them (with various levels of effectiveness). The fox population of Scotland has reduced dramatically since the introduction of the Hunting (with hounds) Act ! Can still use dogs for hunting I.e rabbits and rats but can't lamp rabbits Really? Hunting rabbits with dogs, that's a new one on me! I use dogs to retrieve shot rabbits, but haven't heard of Rabbit Hounds/packs. Rats I'll give you, that's what terriers are mainly for after all. As far as I'm aware, providing appropriate permission has been granted, lamping rabbits isn't illegal." Using long dogs just like hare coursing | |||
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x I wondered when somebody would point out that it is not only technically, but by law illegal, to hunt foxes (or any other animal) with hounds. It is now drag hunting, in other words, following an artificially laid scent trail. I believe in Scotland, they use hounds to push foxes towards people with guns who shoot them (with various levels of effectiveness). The fox population of Scotland has reduced dramatically since the introduction of the Hunting (with hounds) Act ! Trail hunting is predominantly bullshit. Surrounding woods full of hounds and making banging noises on saddles and telegraph poles, to keep fox cubs inside the woods is not trail hunting. Men on quads with spades accompanying hunts is not for the purpose of trail hunting. Hiring gangs of masked men to attack people filming, is not done for the purpose of preventing them filming dogs and horse riders along an invisible trail. Feeding and releasing foxes or throwing them to hounds in sheds and dumping them in bins afterwards is not for trail hunting. And even those hunters who are stupid enough to believe that people believe are stupid enough to believe they are trail hunting, are not stupid enough to lay trails through areas of dense and incredibly spikey gorse bushes. Or across national speed limit A roads. Or ending in people's gardens. Even brazenly chasing foxes on horse back with packs of hounds and making zero attempt to call them off is not trail hunting." I have never seen a hunt hire people with masks on to attack people filming. It's normally the other way round it's the antis that are wearing masks and 90 percent of time trespassing | |||
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"Fox hunting is illegal. Drag hunting isnt. During the "fox" hunts, they arent really hunting foxes. However you do get some wankers who do. These are the ones who get into the papers and give those who drag hunt a bad name As it has been since 2004. There will always be the odd "bad apple", but nowhere near as many as the antis (LACS/IFAW/PETA etc etc) would have believe, as is borne out by the scarcity of court cases and convictions. Crown Prosecution Service was recently castigated for wasting the courts time, following a number of cases being thrown out for lack of evidence! My mam's mate breeds hunt hounds. If a pup (when in training) doesnt stop following the scent of a fox, the pup is rehomed. fox hunting still remains lawful in Northern Ireland!! "That should be changed. | |||
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"I am anti foxhunting. I have been since a child (when I lived in the countryside). I am against all cruel "sports" - grouse/pheasant shooting, deer shooting, badger baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting and anything else that falls into that category (and plenty more that are legal and don't). I'm also against the badger shooting to protect cows from TB - there is no evidence to suggest that it is effective. I am also a vegetarian - don't own cats, but it is a natural instinct for a cat to hunt so I see no problem with them hunting. Anyone want to berate me for my views?" I have not seen any actual numbers of this but when I have spoken to a few farmers and a few people that work in argicultle sector they have all said there is only 1 third of cows left in this country to what there was in 2007 when the ban came in | |||
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x I wondered when somebody would point out that it is not only technically, but by law illegal, to hunt foxes (or any other animal) with hounds. It is now drag hunting, in other words, following an artificially laid scent trail. I believe in Scotland, they use hounds to push foxes towards people with guns who shoot them (with various levels of effectiveness). The fox population of Scotland has reduced dramatically since the introduction of the Hunting (with hounds) Act ! Trail hunting is predominantly bullshit. Surrounding woods full of hounds and making banging noises on saddles and telegraph poles, to keep fox cubs inside the woods is not trail hunting. Men on quads with spades accompanying hunts is not for the purpose of trail hunting. Hiring gangs of masked men to attack people filming, is not done for the purpose of preventing them filming dogs and horse riders along an invisible trail. Feeding and releasing foxes or throwing them to hounds in sheds and dumping them in bins afterwards is not for trail hunting. And even those hunters who are stupid enough to believe that people believe are stupid enough to believe they are trail hunting, are not stupid enough to lay trails through areas of dense and incredibly spikey gorse bushes. Or across national speed limit A roads. Or ending in people's gardens. Even brazenly chasing foxes on horse back with packs of hounds and making zero attempt to call them off is not trail hunting. I have never seen a hunt hire people with masks on to attack people filming. It's normally the other way round it's the antis that are wearing masks and 90 percent of time trespassing " Hunt fan boys wear masks just as much as antis, so don't try that cop out argument. | |||
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"Humans who want to hunt foxes are fucking cowards "Even in the state's where they hunt wolves and bears?! | |||
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"My dad goes hunting a lot. I've even been with him a few times. But his rule is 'only kill what you're going to eat' Foxs don't fall under that rule" I'd have thought most people have zero issue with those who hunt to eat, as long as its done quickly and with minimal suffering. If it was in anyway practical, I'd rather all my meat came from that method. However foxhunting and all other blood sports is just killing for pleasure by sadists, under the guise of 'pest control'. | |||
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"My dad goes hunting a lot. I've even been with him a few times. But his rule is 'only kill what you're going to eat' Foxs don't fall under that rule I'd have thought most people have zero issue with those who hunt to eat, as long as its done quickly and with minimal suffering. If it was in anyway practical, I'd rather all my meat came from that method. However foxhunting and all other blood sports is just killing for pleasure by sadists, under the guise of 'pest control'. " This is the brutal truth. | |||
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"My dad goes hunting a lot. I've even been with him a few times. But his rule is 'only kill what you're going to eat' Foxs don't fall under that rule I'd have thought most people have zero issue with those who hunt to eat, as long as its done quickly and with minimal suffering. If it was in anyway practical, I'd rather all my meat came from that method. However foxhunting and all other blood sports is just killing for pleasure by sadists, under the guise of 'pest control'. " So, are you saying it's ok to eat what you shoot? | |||
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x I wondered when somebody would point out that it is not only technically, but by law illegal, to hunt foxes (or any other animal) with hounds. It is now drag hunting, in other words, following an artificially laid scent trail. I believe in Scotland, they use hounds to push foxes towards people with guns who shoot them (with various levels of effectiveness). The fox population of Scotland has reduced dramatically since the introduction of the Hunting (with hounds) Act ! Trail hunting is predominantly bullshit. Surrounding woods full of hounds and making banging noises on saddles and telegraph poles, to keep fox cubs inside the woods is not trail hunting. Men on quads with spades accompanying hunts is not for the purpose of trail hunting. Hiring gangs of masked men to attack people filming, is not done for the purpose of preventing them filming dogs and horse riders along an invisible trail. Feeding and releasing foxes or throwing them to hounds in sheds and dumping them in bins afterwards is not for trail hunting. And even those hunters who are stupid enough to believe that people believe are stupid enough to believe they are trail hunting, are not stupid enough to lay trails through areas of dense and incredibly spikey gorse bushes. Or across national speed limit A roads. Or ending in people's gardens. Even brazenly chasing foxes on horse back with packs of hounds and making zero attempt to call them off is not trail hunting. I have never seen a hunt hire people with masks on to attack people filming. It's normally the other way round it's the antis that are wearing masks and 90 percent of time trespassing Hunt fan boys wear masks just as much as antis, so don't try that cop out argument. " I have never ever seen a hunt supporter wearing a masks but seen plenty of antis wearing them only a few antis don't | |||
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"Cats can be heartless killers when it comes to small animals. But I'm yet to read about a domestic cat mauling a child to death. Let's ban dogs over 5kg. "Apparently when I was a baby we had a terrier that scratched my face. However, I wouldn't ban any dogs because it is normally the fault of the owner if they are aggressive (or jealous). | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. " They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier." Sorry, but that is utter garbage | |||
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"I am anti foxhunting. I have been since a child (when I lived in the countryside). I am against all cruel "sports" - grouse/pheasant shooting, deer shooting, badger baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting and anything else that falls into that category (and plenty more that are legal and don't). I'm also against the badger shooting to protect cows from TB - there is no evidence to suggest that it is effective. I am also a vegetarian - don't own cats, but it is a natural instinct for a cat to hunt so I see no problem with them hunting. Anyone want to berate me for my views? I have not seen any actual numbers of this but when I have spoken to a few farmers and a few people that work in argicultle sector they have all said there is only 1 third of cows left in this country to what there was in 2007 when the ban came in" A fox is not big enough to kill a cow. | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. Sorry, but that is utter garbage" That's a fact. I used to live near the pheasant shooting areas in Norfolk and I know that happened. It's why in that area the largest number of roadkill is pheasant. They couldn't fly away because they were too fat and had their wings clipped. How else do you think they kept them there for the shoots? | |||
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"I am anti foxhunting. I have been since a child (when I lived in the countryside). I am against all cruel "sports" - grouse/pheasant shooting, deer shooting, badger baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting and anything else that falls into that category (and plenty more that are legal and don't). I'm also against the badger shooting to protect cows from TB - there is no evidence to suggest that it is effective. I am also a vegetarian - don't own cats, but it is a natural instinct for a cat to hunt so I see no problem with them hunting. Anyone want to berate me for my views? I have not seen any actual numbers of this but when I have spoken to a few farmers and a few people that work in argicultle sector they have all said there is only 1 third of cows left in this country to what there was in 2007 when the ban came in A fox is not big enough to kill a cow." Wasn't about foxes killing that was referring to badges | |||
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"My dad goes hunting a lot. I've even been with him a few times. But his rule is 'only kill what you're going to eat' Foxs don't fall under that rule I'd have thought most people have zero issue with those who hunt to eat, as long as its done quickly and with minimal suffering. If it was in anyway practical, I'd rather all my meat came from that method. However foxhunting and all other blood sports is just killing for pleasure by sadists, under the guise of 'pest control'. So, are you saying it's ok to eat what you shoot?" Perfectly fine. As long as it's eaten. I'm sure I said that pretty clearly. | |||
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"Still it will be interesting to see if the thread can finish without anyone making it political or showing contempt / jealousy of people with more money than them. Ooops too late "That's what it's really about, rampant inverse snobbery. | |||
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"I am anti foxhunting. I have been since a child (when I lived in the countryside). I am against all cruel "sports" - grouse/pheasant shooting, deer shooting, badger baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting and anything else that falls into that category (and plenty more that are legal and don't). I'm also against the badger shooting to protect cows from TB - there is no evidence to suggest that it is effective. I am also a vegetarian - don't own cats, but it is a natural instinct for a cat to hunt so I see no problem with them hunting. Anyone want to berate me for my views? I have not seen any actual numbers of this but when I have spoken to a few farmers and a few people that work in argicultle sector they have all said there is only 1 third of cows left in this country to what there was in 2007 when the ban came in A fox is not big enough to kill a cow. Wasn't about foxes killing that was referring to badges " The cull started in 2013. I'm trying to work out if you are agreeing that the badger cull doesn't work, or saying that it needs to happen because of the drop in cow numbers. | |||
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"Well technically fox hunting is banned in this country so why are people jumping on there high horse about it x nowadays people still go hunting but it's all done by sent x I wondered when somebody would point out that it is not only technically, but by law illegal, to hunt foxes (or any other animal) with hounds. It is now drag hunting, in other words, following an artificially laid scent trail. I believe in Scotland, they use hounds to push foxes towards people with guns who shoot them (with various levels of effectiveness). The fox population of Scotland has reduced dramatically since the introduction of the Hunting (with hounds) Act ! Trail hunting is predominantly bullshit. Surrounding woods full of hounds and making banging noises on saddles and telegraph poles, to keep fox cubs inside the woods is not trail hunting. Men on quads with spades accompanying hunts is not for the purpose of trail hunting. Hiring gangs of masked men to attack people filming, is not done for the purpose of preventing them filming dogs and horse riders along an invisible trail. Feeding and releasing foxes or throwing them to hounds in sheds and dumping them in bins afterwards is not for trail hunting. And even those hunters who are stupid enough to believe that people believe are stupid enough to believe they are trail hunting, are not stupid enough to lay trails through areas of dense and incredibly spikey gorse bushes. Or across national speed limit A roads. Or ending in people's gardens. Even brazenly chasing foxes on horse back with packs of hounds and making zero attempt to call them off is not trail hunting. I have never seen a hunt hire people with masks on to attack people filming. It's normally the other way round it's the antis that are wearing masks and 90 percent of time trespassing Hunt fan boys wear masks just as much as antis, so don't try that cop out argument. I have never ever seen a hunt supporter wearing a masks but seen plenty of antis wearing them only a few antis don't " There are plenty of videos on YouTube and Facebook with video evidence of hunt fan boys wearing balaclavas and scarfs around their faces. But you believe what you want, I'm not here to prove to you otherwise. | |||
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"Cats can be heartless killers when it comes to small animals. But I'm yet to read about a domestic cat mauling a child to death. Let's ban dogs over 5kg.
Apparently when I was a baby we had a terrier that scratched my face.
However, I wouldn't ban any dogs because it is normally the fault of the owner if they are aggressive (or jealous)."You're right of course. Bring back the dog license and a qualifying exam. | |||
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"My dad goes hunting a lot. I've even been with him a few times. But his rule is 'only kill what you're going to eat' Foxs don't fall under that rule I'd have thought most people have zero issue with those who hunt to eat, as long as its done quickly and with minimal suffering. If it was in anyway practical, I'd rather all my meat came from that method. However foxhunting and all other blood sports is just killing for pleasure by sadists, under the guise of 'pest control'. So, are you saying it's ok to eat what you shoot? Perfectly fine. As long as it's eaten. I'm sure I said that pretty clearly. " That's fine, just wanted to clarify re "blood sports" (yes, I know what you said about "under the guise of 'pest control'", but game shooting is normally classified (!) as a blood sport. Thanks | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. Sorry, but that is utter garbage That's a fact. I used to live near the pheasant shooting areas in Norfolk and I know that happened. It's why in that area the largest number of roadkill is pheasant. They couldn't fly away because they were too fat and had their wings clipped. How else do you think they kept them there for the shoots?" Are you saying that theres a man wandering Around the countryside grabbing hold of pheasants and clipping their wings? | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. Sorry, but that is utter garbage That's a fact. I used to live near the pheasant shooting areas in Norfolk and I know that happened. It's why in that area the largest number of roadkill is pheasant. They couldn't fly away because they were too fat and had their wings clipped. How else do you think they kept them there for the shoots?" OMFG haha where the hell do you people get your facts from! I don't care what any of you think but I pheasant shoot in season I also contribute to buying the birds feeding the birds caring for the birds and yes it is a sport and yes I do eat them!! But clipping their wings so they can't fly is the most funniest thing I've ever heard of in my entire life! Hahahahahha! They are pretty much flightless Birds and move quicker on the ground than in the air, you see them as roadkill because they are like rabbits when they see headlights they run! | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. Sorry, but that is utter garbage That's a fact. I used to live near the pheasant shooting areas in Norfolk and I know that happened. It's why in that area the largest number of roadkill is pheasant. They couldn't fly away because they were too fat and had their wings clipped. How else do you think they kept them there for the shoots? OMFG haha where the hell do you people get your facts from! I don't care what any of you think but I pheasant shoot in season I also contribute to buying the birds feeding the birds caring for the birds and yes it is a sport and yes I do eat them!! But clipping their wings so they can't fly is the most funniest thing I've ever heard of in my entire life! Hahahahahha! They are pretty much flightless Birds and move quicker on the ground than in the air, you see them as roadkill because they are like rabbits when they see headlights they run! " I've heard people put crushed up sleeping tablet into raisins that they've cut open, then sew them back up again. The birds eat them and when the pheasants are sleepy. A man then comes along and throws the birds into the path of the shotguns. AND when he throws them he shouts obscenities at them such as "You stupid twat!" And "fuck knuckle!". | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. Sorry, but that is utter garbage That's a fact. I used to live near the pheasant shooting areas in Norfolk and I know that happened. It's why in that area the largest number of roadkill is pheasant. They couldn't fly away because they were too fat and had their wings clipped. How else do you think they kept them there for the shoots? OMFG haha where the hell do you people get your facts from! I don't care what any of you think but I pheasant shoot in season I also contribute to buying the birds feeding the birds caring for the birds and yes it is a sport and yes I do eat them!! But clipping their wings so they can't fly is the most funniest thing I've ever heard of in my entire life! Hahahahahha! They are pretty much flightless Birds and move quicker on the ground than in the air, you see them as roadkill because they are like rabbits when they see headlights they run! I've heard people put crushed up sleeping tablet into raisins that they've cut open, then sew them back up again. The birds eat them and when the pheasants are sleepy. A man then comes along and throws the birds into the path of the shotguns. AND when he throws them he shouts obscenities at them such as "You stupid twat!" And "fuck knuckle!"." Twit, no sorry wrong book! | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. Sorry, but that is utter garbage That's a fact. I used to live near the pheasant shooting areas in Norfolk and I know that happened. It's why in that area the largest number of roadkill is pheasant. They couldn't fly away because they were too fat and had their wings clipped. How else do you think they kept them there for the shoots? Are you saying that theres a man wandering Around the countryside grabbing hold of pheasants and clipping their wings? " I'm talking about organised shoots where there is a gamekeeper. The gamekeeper clips the wings of the specially bred birds. Did none of you read Danny Champion of the World as a kid? | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. Sorry, but that is utter garbage That's a fact. I used to live near the pheasant shooting areas in Norfolk and I know that happened. It's why in that area the largest number of roadkill is pheasant. They couldn't fly away because they were too fat and had their wings clipped. How else do you think they kept them there for the shoots? Are you saying that theres a man wandering Around the countryside grabbing hold of pheasants and clipping their wings? I'm talking about organised shoots where there is a gamekeeper. The gamekeeper clips the wings of the specially bred birds. Did none of you read Danny Champion of the World as a kid?" This gets better.... | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. Sorry, but that is utter garbage That's a fact. I used to live near the pheasant shooting areas in Norfolk and I know that happened. It's why in that area the largest number of roadkill is pheasant. They couldn't fly away because they were too fat and had their wings clipped. How else do you think they kept them there for the shoots?" I shoot in Norfolk....a lot! The reason that pheasants make up the majority of roadkill is the sheer numbers of pheasants in Norfolk. That, and the fact that they are inherently stupid birds. As poults (young birds), their wings are clipped to stop them flying away from the shoot/estate that feeds them. Then they do learn to remain where the feed is provided for them. That is why they stay there. If a pheasant is too fat to fly, then nobody is going to pay, a lot of money, to shoot them. The aim of a shoot is to have the quickest and highest flying birds possible, then they can charge the highest prices for them. | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. Sorry, but that is utter garbage That's a fact. I used to live near the pheasant shooting areas in Norfolk and I know that happened. It's why in that area the largest number of roadkill is pheasant. They couldn't fly away because they were too fat and had their wings clipped. How else do you think they kept them there for the shoots? OMFG haha where the hell do you people get your facts from! I don't care what any of you think but I pheasant shoot in season I also contribute to buying the birds feeding the birds caring for the birds and yes it is a sport and yes I do eat them!! But clipping their wings so they can't fly is the most funniest thing I've ever heard of in my entire life! Hahahahahha! They are pretty much flightless Birds and move quicker on the ground than in the air, you see them as roadkill because they are like rabbits when they see headlights they run! " And prove what you say instead of just calling me names please? Ta muchly | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. Sorry, but that is utter garbage That's a fact. I used to live near the pheasant shooting areas in Norfolk and I know that happened. It's why in that area the largest number of roadkill is pheasant. They couldn't fly away because they were too fat and had their wings clipped. How else do you think they kept them there for the shoots? OMFG haha where the hell do you people get your facts from! I don't care what any of you think but I pheasant shoot in season I also contribute to buying the birds feeding the birds caring for the birds and yes it is a sport and yes I do eat them!! But clipping their wings so they can't fly is the most funniest thing I've ever heard of in my entire life! Hahahahahha! They are pretty much flightless Birds and move quicker on the ground than in the air, you see them as roadkill because they are like rabbits when they see headlights they run! And prove what you say instead of just calling me names please? Ta muchly" Names? | |||
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"i think its wrong , be like using a real rabbit for greyhound racing same as pheasant shooting , they shoot the gun making the pheasants fly into the sky then shoot them down , all wrong No no no! The beaters scare the bird towards the guns! They die quicker than your roast chicken did by the way. They are overfed and have their wings clipped so they can't fly away (they can only fly short distances). This is so they can be shot easier. Sorry, but that is utter garbage That's a fact. I used to live near the pheasant shooting areas in Norfolk and I know that happened. It's why in that area the largest number of roadkill is pheasant. They couldn't fly away because they were too fat and had their wings clipped. How else do you think they kept them there for the shoots? I shoot in Norfolk....a lot! The reason that pheasants make up the majority of roadkill is the sheer numbers of pheasants in Norfolk. That, and the fact that they are inherently stupid birds. As poults (young birds), their wings are clipped to stop them flying away from the shoot/estate that feeds them. Then they do learn to remain where the feed is provided for them. That is why they stay there. If a pheasant is too fat to fly, then nobody is going to pay, a lot of money, to shoot them. The aim of a shoot is to have the quickest and highest flying birds possible, then they can charge the highest prices for them." You do know none of the birds can fly any higher than the tree tops, right? Because they have been overfed. Oh, and I don't just get my info from children's books, it is a known fact in the area I live. | |||
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"Even more Bizarre is the fact foxes where exported to Australia for the purpose of "The Hunt"
Living in the Devon countryside, I know plenty of people who are connected to the hunt. "Their roots go back to when It all started when people had to bow to the gentry Its like a Institution for them their mind set Is geared up for that way Its more or less bred Into them and that Is the part I hate there Is no give and take with these people they still and do live In another world away from most of us, but I thought we had gone forward enough away from this barbaric practice and hare courseing Is another one to abolish any blood sport I,m totally against It, but the people that do these things It Is bred Into them and has a VERY stong hold Its not Something that will just go away unfortuneately.. | |||
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