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"The Tour De France starts today and hopefully the greatest GC rider of his generation will win his 5th Tour, anyone else watching or just me ? " Thought we agreed you weren’t going to watch tv on meets any more!! | |||
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"The Tour De France starts today and hopefully the greatest GC rider of his generation will win his 5th Tour, anyone else watching or just me ? Thought we agreed you weren’t going to watch tv on meets any more!!" I made it clear Le Tour comes before any of are shenanigans lady ! | |||
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"I won't watch it but I hope Team Sky do it again. I don't think Chris Froome is a drugs cheat." That’s cause he’s not. | |||
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"Zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzz" Thank you for your valuable input. | |||
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"The Tour De France starts today and hopefully the greatest GC rider of his generation will win his 5th Tour, anyone else watching or just me ? Thought we agreed you weren’t going to watch tv on meets any more!! I made it clear Le Tour comes before any of are shenanigans lady ! " But last time the cycling was on it made you cum in your pants | |||
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"The Tour De France starts today and hopefully the greatest GC rider of his generation will win his 5th Tour, anyone else watching or just me ? Thought we agreed you weren’t going to watch tv on meets any more!! I made it clear Le Tour comes before any of are shenanigans lady ! But last time the cycling was on it made you cum in your pants " It’s just seeing all those thin men in Lycra, I’m sorry | |||
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"I'm sorry to say cycling leaves me cold...so much effort and endurance and yet you suspect they're all cheating " Yeah, they’re not. | |||
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"And I agree, Froome isn't a drugs cheat. Adam Yates is someone to look out for too - He's the twin of Simon who had the pink jersey for 13 stages of the Giro." Simon looked incredible at the Giro, then just blew. That Giro was the best Grand Tour I’ve seen. | |||
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"Zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzz Thank you for your valuable input." Cheers for the wake up | |||
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"And I agree, Froome isn't a drugs cheat. Adam Yates is someone to look out for too - He's the twin of Simon who had the pink jersey for 13 stages of the Giro. Simon looked incredible at the Giro, then just blew. That Giro was the best Grand Tour I’ve seen. " The medical information that they released from Froome a week or so ago shows the reason behind it. When Froome started the Giro, he was (intentionally) over target weight. By following a strict diet and a tough exercise regime he got to target on the third week which is where he started to improve. At that point, Simon had used up all his stores, so started to fade away | |||
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"The Tour De France starts today and hopefully the greatest GC rider of his generation will win his 5th Tour, anyone else watching or just me ? " I'll be following it; true endurance Sportsmen compared to others playing somewhere today! | |||
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"The Tour De France starts today and hopefully the greatest GC rider of his generation will win his 5th Tour, anyone else watching or just me ? Thought we agreed you weren’t going to watch tv on meets any more!! I made it clear Le Tour comes before any of are shenanigans lady ! But last time the cycling was on it made you cum in your pants It’s just seeing all those thin men in Lycra, I’m sorry" Fat girls in polyester are clearly no competition | |||
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"The Tour De France starts today and hopefully the greatest GC rider of his generation will win his 5th Tour, anyone else watching or just me ? Thought we agreed you weren’t going to watch tv on meets any more!! I made it clear Le Tour comes before any of are shenanigans lady ! But last time the cycling was on it made you cum in your pants It’s just seeing all those thin men in Lycra, I’m sorry Fat girls in polyester are clearly no competition " Fat girls sat on my face are way better than anything, if they’re slapping my cock that’s even better. | |||
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"I won't watch it but I hope Team Sky do it again. I don't think Chris Froome is a drugs cheat. That’s cause he’s not." Absolutely, very clean sport professional cycling, I mean it's not like there's being any cheats who've won the Tour before is there? | |||
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"Fucking cyclists!!! Get off the fucking road!!! I dont think they’re all drug cheats, it’s just a massive coincidence that they’ve all got asthma. " Clueless | |||
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"I won't watch it but I hope Team Sky do it again. I don't think Chris Froome is a drugs cheat. That’s cause he’s not. Absolutely, very clean sport professional cycling, I mean it's not like there's being any cheats who've won the Tour before is there?" It’s a very different era now, to previous ones, but people who know nothing about the sport aren’t interested in hearing that. Cycling will always be the whipping boy, even those it’s the most regulated and tested sport in the world. Know one mentions all the drugs cheats found in tennis etc | |||
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"Fucking cyclists!!! Get off the fucking road!!! I dont think they’re all drug cheats, it’s just a massive coincidence that they’ve all got asthma. Clueless" Really! Do the cyclist who had to take said drugs need now to take the same drugs once they've stopped competiting, such as Wiggins with his hayfever? | |||
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" I don't think Chris Froome is a drugs cheat." After Armstrong I don't believe any of them - no matter how credible the story - his Giro win was suspicious to say the least | |||
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"Fucking cyclists!!! Get off the fucking road!!! I dont think they’re all drug cheats, it’s just a massive coincidence that they’ve all got asthma. Clueless Really! Do the cyclist who had to take said drugs need now to take the same drugs once they've stopped competiting, such as Wiggins with his hayfever?" I was never a fan of Wiggins, he got gifted his only Tour win, cause there was no competition and the best rider was his domestique. Chris Froome uses an inhaler, for exercise induced asthma, that’s very different to what Wiggins done. Wiggins operated within the rules, but it didn’t make it right. If you think using an inhaler can make you fly up mountains and compete in 3 weeks grand tour then ever fat bloke in Lycra would be doing it. The fact is these are the fittest people on the planet and put in a huge sacrifice to compete, but all these clueless people keep banging on about an inhaler, that just helps him breathe normally so he doesn’t have an attack. Stick with those prima donnas kicking a bag of wind about. | |||
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" I don't think Chris Froome is a drugs cheat. After Armstrong I don't believe any of them - no matter how credible the story - his Giro win was suspicious to say the least " Yeah, one bloke was a socialpathetic cheat so they all must be. | |||
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"Froome shouldn't be allowed to ride Wiggins,froome the whole sky team from the top down are cheaters and hypocrites. " He’s been cleared by two independent drug governing bodies that work for the UCI, that said he had done nothing wrong, ffs this depressing. Why let the facts get in the way of the white noise in your head. | |||
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"Fucking cyclists!!! Get off the fucking road!!! I dont think they’re all drug cheats, it’s just a massive coincidence that they’ve all got asthma. Clueless Really! Do the cyclist who had to take said drugs need now to take the same drugs once they've stopped competiting, such as Wiggins with his hayfever?" Dude you have not got a clue. I used to be a long distance endurance athlete taking part in long distance triathlons ... And I suffer badly from exercise induced asthma. It's when the body is at its limits and puts additional strain on the lungs at this point my lungs turn into rice pudding and breathing is next to impossible . however a few poofs on my inhaler and hey presto. It's similar with hay fever not as bad but basically when I am training when pollen count is high the hayfever triggers asthma. Now I have stopped the only thing I have to take regularly is antihistamines due to our cat's. | |||
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" I don't think Chris Froome is a drugs cheat. After Armstrong I don't believe any of them - no matter how credible the story - his Giro win was suspicious to say the least " And of course footballers don't cheat?? Fake injury to get penalties or free kick,get others booked etc... However because it's football it's called gamesmanship. | |||
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"Froome shouldn't be allowed to ride Wiggins,froome the whole sky team from the top down are cheaters and hypocrites. He’s been cleared by two independent drug governing bodies that work for the UCI, that said he had done nothing wrong, ffs this depressing. Why let the facts get in the way of the white noise in your head. " UCI are as corrupt as the teams They want froome like they wanted Armstrong there | |||
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"Fucking cyclists!!! Get off the fucking road!!! I dont think they’re all drug cheats, it’s just a massive coincidence that they’ve all got asthma. Clueless Really! Do the cyclist who had to take said drugs need now to take the same drugs once they've stopped competiting, such as Wiggins with his hayfever? Dude you have not got a clue. I used to be a long distance endurance athlete taking part in long distance triathlons ... And I suffer badly from exercise induced asthma. It's when the body is at its limits and puts additional strain on the lungs at this point my lungs turn into rice pudding and breathing is next to impossible . however a few poofs on my inhaler and hey presto. It's similar with hay fever not as bad but basically when I am training when pollen count is high the hayfever triggers asthma. Now I have stopped the only thing I have to take regularly is antihistamines due to our cat's." I’m not going to waste my time arguing with uninformed weekend warriors, I’m going on Dartmoor to cycling in the sunshine, then I’m going to enjoy watching Le Tour, Should have known this thread would just turn into people banging on about doping by clueless armchair critics. | |||
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"Froome shouldn't be allowed to ride Wiggins,froome the whole sky team from the top down are cheaters and hypocrites. He’s been cleared by two independent drug governing bodies that work for the UCI, that said he had done nothing wrong, ffs this depressing. Why let the facts get in the way of the white noise in your head. UCI are as corrupt as the teams They want froome like they wanted Armstrong there" What a load of fucking bollocks. | |||
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"Froome shouldn't be allowed to ride Wiggins,froome the whole sky team from the top down are cheaters and hypocrites. He’s been cleared by two independent drug governing bodies that work for the UCI, that said he had done nothing wrong, ffs this depressing. Why let the facts get in the way of the white noise in your head. UCI are as corrupt as the teams They want froome like they wanted Armstrong there What a load of fucking bollocks." Its proven that the UCI are corrupt Its proven sky are corrupt | |||
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" Yeah, one bloke was a socialpathetic cheat so they all must be." I'm just not gullible enough to believe he was the only one | |||
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"Froome shouldn't be allowed to ride Wiggins,froome the whole sky team from the top down are cheaters and hypocrites. He’s been cleared by two independent drug governing bodies that work for the UCI, that said he had done nothing wrong, ffs this depressing. Why let the facts get in the way of the white noise in your head. UCI are as corrupt as the teams They want froome like they wanted Armstrong there What a load of fucking bollocks. Its proven that the UCI are corrupt Its proven sky are corrupt" By proven, do you mean some bollocks a lard arse down the pub had said ? | |||
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" Yeah, one bloke was a socialpathetic cheat so they all must be. I'm just not gullible enough to believe he was the only one " One bloke? One bloke? There was tours that you couldn't find one bloke who didn't dope | |||
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" Yeah, one bloke was a socialpathetic cheat so they all must be. I'm just not gullible enough to believe he was the only one " He wasn’t the only one, they were all at it except a few, that was before they brought in new testing and regulations. | |||
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" Yeah, one bloke was a socialpathetic cheat so they all must be. I'm just not gullible enough to believe he was the only one One bloke? One bloke? There was tours that you couldn't find one bloke who didn't dope" If you can be bothered google Christophe Bassons. | |||
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"Froome shouldn't be allowed to ride Wiggins,froome the whole sky team from the top down are cheaters and hypocrites. He’s been cleared by two independent drug governing bodies that work for the UCI, that said he had done nothing wrong, ffs this depressing. Why let the facts get in the way of the white noise in your head. UCI are as corrupt as the teams They want froome like they wanted Armstrong there What a load of fucking bollocks. Its proven that the UCI are corrupt Its proven sky are corrupt By proven, do you mean some bollocks a lard arse down the pub had said ?" Cycling independent reform commission. Don't know if they are run by a fat guy who frequents a pub tho | |||
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"Fucking cyclists!!! Get off the fucking road!!! I dont think they’re all drug cheats, it’s just a massive coincidence that they’ve all got asthma. Clueless Really! Do the cyclist who had to take said drugs need now to take the same drugs once they've stopped competiting, such as Wiggins with his hayfever? Dude you have not got a clue. I used to be a long distance endurance athlete taking part in long distance triathlons ... And I suffer badly from exercise induced asthma. It's when the body is at its limits and puts additional strain on the lungs at this point my lungs turn into rice pudding and breathing is next to impossible . however a few poofs on my inhaler and hey presto. It's similar with hay fever not as bad but basically when I am training when pollen count is high the hayfever triggers asthma. Now I have stopped the only thing I have to take regularly is antihistamines due to our cat's." So you are openly admiting that you took drugs to improve your performance! | |||
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"Fucking cyclists!!! Get off the fucking road!!! I dont think they’re all drug cheats, it’s just a massive coincidence that they’ve all got asthma. Clueless Really! Do the cyclist who had to take said drugs need now to take the same drugs once they've stopped competiting, such as Wiggins with his hayfever? Dude you have not got a clue. I used to be a long distance endurance athlete taking part in long distance triathlons ... And I suffer badly from exercise induced asthma. It's when the body is at its limits and puts additional strain on the lungs at this point my lungs turn into rice pudding and breathing is next to impossible . however a few poofs on my inhaler and hey presto. It's similar with hay fever not as bad but basically when I am training when pollen count is high the hayfever triggers asthma. Now I have stopped the only thing I have to take regularly is antihistamines due to our cat's. So you are openly admiting that you took drugs to improve your performance!" FFS | |||
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" Yeah, one bloke was a socialpathetic cheat so they all must be. I'm just not gullible enough to believe he was the only one One bloke? One bloke? There was tours that you couldn't find one bloke who didn't dope If you can be bothered google Christophe Bassons." You google him and read what he has to say. He proves my point | |||
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"Fucking cyclists!!! Get off the fucking road!!! I dont think they’re all drug cheats, it’s just a massive coincidence that they’ve all got asthma. Clueless Really! Do the cyclist who had to take said drugs need now to take the same drugs once they've stopped competiting, such as Wiggins with his hayfever? Dude you have not got a clue. I used to be a long distance endurance athlete taking part in long distance triathlons ... And I suffer badly from exercise induced asthma. It's when the body is at its limits and puts additional strain on the lungs at this point my lungs turn into rice pudding and breathing is next to impossible . however a few poofs on my inhaler and hey presto. It's similar with hay fever not as bad but basically when I am training when pollen count is high the hayfever triggers asthma. Now I have stopped the only thing I have to take regularly is antihistamines due to our cat's. So you are openly admiting that you took drugs to improve your performance!" Have you ever thought about a career in tabloid journalism? I freely admit that I took medically perscribed drugs not to enhance my shoddy performance,but to stop myself dropping dead due to lack of oxygen. If you perceive that as cheating then yeah I cheeted. | |||
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"We watch every year. Hardest route ever according to Cav'. So glad that Chris can race with no clouds hanging over him after the UCI dropped their case. I rather suspect he will be targeted by the less knowledgeable 'fans'." I just hope he stays safe, there are some fuckwits out there. | |||
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" Yeah, one bloke was a socialpathetic cheat so they all must be. I'm just not gullible enough to believe he was the only one One bloke? One bloke? There was tours that you couldn't find one bloke who didn't dope If you can be bothered google Christophe Bassons. You google him and read what he has to say. He proves my point" Yes, he was a clean rider in the Armstrong era, that was my point. | |||
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"We watch every year. Hardest route ever according to Cav'. So glad that Chris can race with no clouds hanging over him after the UCI dropped their case. I rather suspect he will be targeted by the less knowledgeable 'fans'. I just hope he stays safe, there are some fuckwits out there. " Amen to that. You wouldn't put it past someone desperate for fame and notoriety to 'fall over while running alongside' or chucking a few nails out. | |||
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" Yeah, one bloke was a socialpathetic cheat so they all must be. I'm just not gullible enough to believe he was the only one One bloke? One bloke? There was tours that you couldn't find one bloke who didn't dope If you can be bothered google Christophe Bassons. You google him and read what he has to say. He proves my point Yes, he was a clean rider in the Armstrong era, that was my point. " Wow you took me literally I dont doubt that there was a rider or two who was clean back in the day Read what bassons has to say about his era that is really shocking | |||
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"We watch every year. Hardest route ever according to Cav'. So glad that Chris can race with no clouds hanging over him after the UCI dropped their case. I rather suspect he will be targeted by the less knowledgeable 'fans'. I just hope he stays safe, there are some fuckwits out there. Amen to that. You wouldn't put it past someone desperate for fame and notoriety to 'fall over while running alongside' or chucking a few nails out. " All that spit is bound so be a skid hazzard | |||
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"Anyway back to the original question Yes I will be watching it, the Grand Tours are one of my favourite sporting events of the year and the Tour De France is the apex of them all. " Quite agree, love the aerial shots of the mountain stages, France is beautiful. | |||
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" Yeah, one bloke was a socialpathetic cheat so they all must be. I'm just not gullible enough to believe he was the only one One bloke? One bloke? There was tours that you couldn't find one bloke who didn't dope If you can be bothered google Christophe Bassons. You google him and read what he has to say. He proves my point Yes, he was a clean rider in the Armstrong era, that was my point. Wow you took me literally I dont doubt that there was a rider or two who was clean back in the day Read what bassons has to say about his era that is really shocking" Mate, I’ve been cycling all my life and watched it since I was a kid, read every book going, I’m fully aware of what happened in that era. | |||
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"This is hilarious!! I may be clueless chief, but at least my head isn’t buried in the sand. Cycling is the dirtiest sport on the planet. But it’s not just cycling. You’re something like 400 times more likely to win an Olympic gold medal if you’re asthmatic. Asthma drugs enhance your performance. It really isn’t rocket science to connect the two. Until people stop defending and making excuses for it, then no sport will be clean. Or we accept that it happens and level the playing field so everyone does it. Either way, Froome and Armstrong between them have less tour wins than the amount of fucks I give. Just stay the fuck off the road ya Lycra wearing fucking menace!!! " I’m just going on the road now, to cycle in my Lycra. You get your arse down McDonalds drive thru and tuck into there tasty burgers, I’m guessing that’s how you spend your weekends Peace out ladies X | |||
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"Anyway back to the original question Yes I will be watching it, the Grand Tours are one of my favourite sporting events of the year and the Tour De France is the apex of them all. " Personally I watch it for the scenery. | |||
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" He wasn’t the only one, they were all at it except a few, that was before they brought in new testing and regulations." They also keep looking for new ways to cheat -enforcement is rarely level pegging with the cheats | |||
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" I’m just going on the road now, to cycle in my Lycra. You get your arse down McDonalds drive thru and tuck into there tasty burgers, I’m guessing that’s how you spend your weekends " I see you are very au-fait with taking illegal performance enhancing substances " Peace out ladies X" Don't worry, we will only spend the time you're away poisoning their opinion of you | |||
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"Fucking cyclists!!! Get off the fucking road!!! I dont think they’re all drug cheats, it’s just a massive coincidence that they’ve all got asthma. " He's had asthma since he was a kid. Well before he became a professional cyclist | |||
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"This is hilarious!! I may be clueless chief, but at least my head isn’t buried in the sand. Cycling is the dirtiest sport on the planet. But it’s not just cycling. You’re something like 400 times more likely to win an Olympic gold medal if you’re asthmatic. Asthma drugs enhance your performance. It really isn’t rocket science to connect the two. Until people stop defending and making excuses for it, then no sport will be clean. Or we accept that it happens and level the playing field so everyone does it. Either way, Froome and Armstrong between them have less tour wins than the amount of fucks I give. Just stay the fuck off the road ya Lycra wearing fucking menace!!! " Wow are you one of these guys who trys to run cyclists off the road when you see them? | |||
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" I don't think Chris Froome is a drugs cheat. After Armstrong I don't believe any of them - no matter how credible the story - his Giro win was suspicious to say the least " Not at all. I explained above why it was actually very impressive. | |||
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"The Tour De France starts today and hopefully the greatest GC rider of his generation will win his 5th Tour, anyone else watching or just me ? " I will be dipping in and out, love the mountain stages. | |||
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"Fucking cyclists!!! Get off the fucking road!!! I dont think they’re all drug cheats, it’s just a massive coincidence that they’ve all got asthma. Clueless Really! Do the cyclist who had to take said drugs need now to take the same drugs once they've stopped competiting, such as Wiggins with his hayfever? Dude you have not got a clue. I used to be a long distance endurance athlete taking part in long distance triathlons ... And I suffer badly from exercise induced asthma. It's when the body is at its limits and puts additional strain on the lungs at this point my lungs turn into rice pudding and breathing is next to impossible . however a few poofs on my inhaler and hey presto. It's similar with hay fever not as bad but basically when I am training when pollen count is high the hayfever triggers asthma. Now I have stopped the only thing I have to take regularly is antihistamines due to our cat's. So you are openly admiting that you took drugs to improve your performance!" He took prescribed drugs to ensure he didn't die. | |||
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"The Tour De France starts today and hopefully the greatest GC rider of his generation will win his 5th Tour, anyone else watching or just me ? I will be dipping in and out, love the mountain stages. " Yeah, me too. Love the switchbacks and the aerial shots of riders winding up the mountain. | |||
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"This is hilarious!! I may be clueless chief, but at least my head isn’t buried in the sand. Cycling is the dirtiest sport on the planet. But it’s not just cycling. You’re something like 400 times more likely to win an Olympic gold medal if you’re asthmatic. Asthma drugs enhance your performance. It really isn’t rocket science to connect the two. Until people stop defending and making excuses for it, then no sport will be clean. Or we accept that it happens and level the playing field so everyone does it. Either way, Froome and Armstrong between them have less tour wins than the amount of fucks I give. Just stay the fuck off the road ya Lycra wearing fucking menace!!! Wow are you one of these guys who trys to run cyclists off the road when you see them?" Good grief no!! Well, not if there’s witnesses........ | |||
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"Men in Lycra! " You love it ! | |||
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"So Tame Impala, could you tell me why Froome had massive amounts of Salbutamol in his bloodstream?" Jeeeeez, give it a rest, all he asked was who will be watching it He’s not a Sky spokesman you know | |||
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"So Tame Impala, could you tell me why Froome had massive amounts of Salbutamol in his bloodstream?" They’ve discovered with the current test for salbutamol there is a high probability it can prove false positives. This was put to the UCI, it tested this theory themselves and they agreed, so the case was thrown out. | |||
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"So Tame Impala, could you tell me why Froome had massive amounts of Salbutamol in his bloodstream?" Tests also don't take into account levels of dehydratio and levels found would not have given Froome any gains over his competitors. Cycling is paranoid after years over seeing doping on a industrial scale. Football and rugby are currently the sports with the biggest issues | |||
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"So Tame Impala, could you tell me why Froome had massive amounts of Salbutamol in his bloodstream? Tests also don't take into account levels of dehydratio and levels found would not have given Froome any gains over his competitors. Cycling is paranoid after years over seeing doping on a industrial scale. Football and rugby are currently the sports with the biggest issues" The revised levels of what needs investigating also don't explain why, if the levels were so far out there haven't been countless other infringements. I'm not convinced by any of it but given every grand tour of tge last 30 years, and I think it might be every podium position has been discredited by a positive or pretty clear links to a doping scandal I'm genuinely past caring. I love the tour but I don't believe in any of it in the slightest. Certainly not the GC riders. | |||
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"Because he took salbutamol..... you know like he’s allowed to and the amount in his system is consistent with the amount he was permitted to use. At least that’s my reading of the results of the investigation. It’s certainly the view of the person who designed the test for salbutamol. " Well no he was way over the limit. And other riders have been suspended for less than he tested for. And 9 months later the limits were revised significantly and we all lived happily ever after. Reminds me of when Pharmstrong made a huge donation to the UCI for no obvious reason other than the need for a retrospective TUE | |||
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"Sagan in yellow." Good to see Sagan at the top; especially after last year. Shame Cav crashed as it has to be his last year wearing the Green Jersey for part of the Tour | |||
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"So Tame Impala, could you tell me why Froome had massive amounts of Salbutamol in his bloodstream? Tests also don't take into account levels of dehydratio and levels found would not have given Froome any gains over his competitors. Cycling is paranoid after years over seeing doping on a industrial scale. Football and rugby are currently the sports with the biggest issues The revised levels of what needs investigating also don't explain why, if the levels were so far out there haven't been countless other infringements. I'm not convinced by any of it but given every grand tour of tge last 30 years, and I think it might be every podium position has been discredited by a positive or pretty clear links to a doping scandal I'm genuinely past caring. I love the tour but I don't believe in any of it in the slightest. Certainly not the GC riders. " I believe in the current generation of riders, that’s not to say there aren’t any bad apples in the peloton, there’s always going to be those fringe riders that have nothing to lose and want to keep there contracts. But I don’t let it stopping me from enjoying it. I always prefer the Giro anyway. | |||
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"Because he took salbutamol..... you know like he’s allowed to and the amount in his system is consistent with the amount he was permitted to use. At least that’s my reading of the results of the investigation. It’s certainly the view of the person who designed the test for salbutamol. Well no he was way over the limit. And other riders have been suspended for less than he tested for. And 9 months later the limits were revised significantly and we all lived happily ever after. Reminds me of when Pharmstrong made a huge donation to the UCI for no obvious reason other than the need for a retrospective TUE" Laughable you’re comparing the two. We’re talking about an inhaler, that has zero effect on performance to what Armstrong was doing, EPO, three blood transfusions per Tour. | |||
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"So Tame Impala, could you tell me why Froome had massive amounts of Salbutamol in his bloodstream? Tests also don't take into account levels of dehydratio and levels found would not have given Froome any gains over his competitors. Cycling is paranoid after years over seeing doping on a industrial scale. Football and rugby are currently the sports with the biggest issues The revised levels of what needs investigating also don't explain why, if the levels were so far out there haven't been countless other infringements. I'm not convinced by any of it but given every grand tour of tge last 30 years, and I think it might be every podium position has been discredited by a positive or pretty clear links to a doping scandal I'm genuinely past caring. I love the tour but I don't believe in any of it in the slightest. Certainly not the GC riders. I believe in the current generation of riders, that’s not to say there aren’t any bad apples in the peloton, there’s always going to be those fringe riders that have nothing to lose and want to keep there contracts. But I don’t let it stopping me from enjoying it. I always prefer the Giro anyway." I've always prefered the track and one day races to GTs but I'd agree the Giro and on occasion the vuelta are far better than the tour. The tour suffers because riders race for second or third rather than risk losing everything by winning. I have faith in Yates as the way he blew in the Giro was so dramatic And even though I don't believe in him tge way Froome won tbe Giro rather than setting for the podium was awesome to watch and tge sort of racing that us rarely seen anymore | |||
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"Because he took salbutamol..... you know like he’s allowed to and the amount in his system is consistent with the amount he was permitted to use. At least that’s my reading of the results of the investigation. It’s certainly the view of the person who designed the test for salbutamol. Well no he was way over the limit. And other riders have been suspended for less than he tested for. And 9 months later the limits were revised significantly and we all lived happily ever after. Reminds me of when Pharmstrong made a huge donation to the UCI for no obvious reason other than the need for a retrospective TUE Laughable you’re comparing the two. We’re talking about an inhaler, that has zero effect on performance to what Armstrong was doing, EPO, three blood transfusions per Tour. " And what other effect does large doses of salbutamol have which may benefit a cyclist? Weightloss. And coincidentally SKY have just published data about froome's weightloss data for the giro, a plan that is so high risk as to be near unbelievable. Every single cyclist thay finishes a GT loses weight. But SKY can somehow control the weightloss without impacting on recovery. Not every drug is EPO. Most are much more subtle that's why the banned list is fucking huge. | |||
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"Because he took salbutamol..... you know like he’s allowed to and the amount in his system is consistent with the amount he was permitted to use. At least that’s my reading of the results of the investigation. It’s certainly the view of the person who designed the test for salbutamol. Well no he was way over the limit. And other riders have been suspended for less than he tested for. And 9 months later the limits were revised significantly and we all lived happily ever after. Reminds me of when Pharmstrong made a huge donation to the UCI for no obvious reason other than the need for a retrospective TUE Laughable you’re comparing the two. We’re talking about an inhaler, that has zero effect on performance to what Armstrong was doing, EPO, three blood transfusions per Tour. And what other effect does large doses of salbutamol have which may benefit a cyclist? Weightloss. And coincidentally SKY have just published data about froome's weightloss data for the giro, a plan that is so high risk as to be near unbelievable. Every single cyclist thay finishes a GT loses weight. But SKY can somehow control the weightloss without impacting on recovery. Not every drug is EPO. Most are much more subtle that's why the banned list is fucking huge. " I’m sorry that is complete bollocks, I’ve read up on salbutamol and not once have I read that it causes weight loss, it does nothing more than alleviate asthma. | |||
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"Because he took salbutamol..... you know like he’s allowed to and the amount in his system is consistent with the amount he was permitted to use. At least that’s my reading of the results of the investigation. It’s certainly the view of the person who designed the test for salbutamol. Well no he was way over the limit. And other riders have been suspended for less than he tested for. And 9 months later the limits were revised significantly and we all lived happily ever after. Reminds me of when Pharmstrong made a huge donation to the UCI for no obvious reason other than the need for a retrospective TUE Laughable you’re comparing the two. We’re talking about an inhaler, that has zero effect on performance to what Armstrong was doing, EPO, three blood transfusions per Tour. And what other effect does large doses of salbutamol have which may benefit a cyclist? Weightloss. And coincidentally SKY have just published data about froome's weightloss data for the giro, a plan that is so high risk as to be near unbelievable. Every single cyclist thay finishes a GT loses weight. But SKY can somehow control the weightloss without impacting on recovery. Not every drug is EPO. Most are much more subtle that's why the banned list is fucking huge. I’m sorry that is complete bollocks, I’ve read up on salbutamol and not once have I read that it causes weight loss, it does nothing more than alleviate asthma." I always find it useful to Google before dismissing something as complete bollocks. | |||
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"Because he took salbutamol..... you know like he’s allowed to and the amount in his system is consistent with the amount he was permitted to use. At least that’s my reading of the results of the investigation. It’s certainly the view of the person who designed the test for salbutamol. Well no he was way over the limit. And other riders have been suspended for less than he tested for. And 9 months later the limits were revised significantly and we all lived happily ever after. Reminds me of when Pharmstrong made a huge donation to the UCI for no obvious reason other than the need for a retrospective TUE Laughable you’re comparing the two. We’re talking about an inhaler, that has zero effect on performance to what Armstrong was doing, EPO, three blood transfusions per Tour. And what other effect does large doses of salbutamol have which may benefit a cyclist? Weightloss. And coincidentally SKY have just published data about froome's weightloss data for the giro, a plan that is so high risk as to be near unbelievable. Every single cyclist thay finishes a GT loses weight. But SKY can somehow control the weightloss without impacting on recovery. Not every drug is EPO. Most are much more subtle that's why the banned list is fucking huge. I’m sorry that is complete bollocks, I’ve read up on salbutamol and not once have I read that it causes weight loss, it does nothing more than alleviate asthma. I always find it useful to Google before dismissing something as complete bollocks. " Oh amy multiple articles throughout the Froome saga have referenced that salbutamol is a banned substance when ingested (rather than inhaled) and mentioned the sole reason it is ever ingested (which isn't connected to respiratory relief) | |||
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"Because he took salbutamol..... you know like he’s allowed to and the amount in his system is consistent with the amount he was permitted to use. At least that’s my reading of the results of the investigation. It’s certainly the view of the person who designed the test for salbutamol. Well no he was way over the limit. And other riders have been suspended for less than he tested for. And 9 months later the limits were revised significantly and we all lived happily ever after. Reminds me of when Pharmstrong made a huge donation to the UCI for no obvious reason other than the need for a retrospective TUE Laughable you’re comparing the two. We’re talking about an inhaler, that has zero effect on performance to what Armstrong was doing, EPO, three blood transfusions per Tour. And what other effect does large doses of salbutamol have which may benefit a cyclist? Weightloss. And coincidentally SKY have just published data about froome's weightloss data for the giro, a plan that is so high risk as to be near unbelievable. Every single cyclist thay finishes a GT loses weight. But SKY can somehow control the weightloss without impacting on recovery. Not every drug is EPO. Most are much more subtle that's why the banned list is fucking huge. I’m sorry that is complete bollocks, I’ve read up on salbutamol and not once have I read that it causes weight loss, it does nothing more than alleviate asthma. I always find it useful to Google before dismissing something as complete bollocks. Oh amy multiple articles throughout the Froome saga have referenced that salbutamol is a banned substance when ingested (rather than inhaled) and mentioned the sole reason it is ever ingested (which isn't connected to respiratory relief)" Find me one that mentions salbutamol taken with an inhaler causes weight loss ! | |||
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"Because he took salbutamol..... you know like he’s allowed to and the amount in his system is consistent with the amount he was permitted to use. At least that’s my reading of the results of the investigation. It’s certainly the view of the person who designed the test for salbutamol. Well no he was way over the limit. And other riders have been suspended for less than he tested for. And 9 months later the limits were revised significantly and we all lived happily ever after. Reminds me of when Pharmstrong made a huge donation to the UCI for no obvious reason other than the need for a retrospective TUE Laughable you’re comparing the two. We’re talking about an inhaler, that has zero effect on performance to what Armstrong was doing, EPO, three blood transfusions per Tour. And what other effect does large doses of salbutamol have which may benefit a cyclist? Weightloss. And coincidentally SKY have just published data about froome's weightloss data for the giro, a plan that is so high risk as to be near unbelievable. Every single cyclist thay finishes a GT loses weight. But SKY can somehow control the weightloss without impacting on recovery. Not every drug is EPO. Most are much more subtle that's why the banned list is fucking huge. I’m sorry that is complete bollocks, I’ve read up on salbutamol and not once have I read that it causes weight loss, it does nothing more than alleviate asthma. I always find it useful to Google before dismissing something as complete bollocks. Oh amy multiple articles throughout the Froome saga have referenced that salbutamol is a banned substance when ingested (rather than inhaled) and mentioned the sole reason it is ever ingested (which isn't connected to respiratory relief) Find me one that mentions salbutamol taken with an inhaler causes weight loss ! " I know you said that you had read up in this but have you missed the whole point as to why froome has been so desperate to prove that it was possible to have such high levels of salbutamol in his urine from an inhalor that he had only only used 8 times in 12 hours? The levels he tested for are consistent with ingesting it. Which is why other riders have served bans for reporting far less than froome did | |||
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"Because he took salbutamol..... you know like he’s allowed to and the amount in his system is consistent with the amount he was permitted to use. At least that’s my reading of the results of the investigation. It’s certainly the view of the person who designed the test for salbutamol. Well no he was way over the limit. And other riders have been suspended for less than he tested for. And 9 months later the limits were revised significantly and we all lived happily ever after. Reminds me of when Pharmstrong made a huge donation to the UCI for no obvious reason other than the need for a retrospective TUE Laughable you’re comparing the two. We’re talking about an inhaler, that has zero effect on performance to what Armstrong was doing, EPO, three blood transfusions per Tour. And what other effect does large doses of salbutamol have which may benefit a cyclist? Weightloss. And coincidentally SKY have just published data about froome's weightloss data for the giro, a plan that is so high risk as to be near unbelievable. Every single cyclist thay finishes a GT loses weight. But SKY can somehow control the weightloss without impacting on recovery. Not every drug is EPO. Most are much more subtle that's why the banned list is fucking huge. I’m sorry that is complete bollocks, I’ve read up on salbutamol and not once have I read that it causes weight loss, it does nothing more than alleviate asthma. I always find it useful to Google before dismissing something as complete bollocks. Oh amy multiple articles throughout the Froome saga have referenced that salbutamol is a banned substance when ingested (rather than inhaled) and mentioned the sole reason it is ever ingested (which isn't connected to respiratory relief) Find me one that mentions salbutamol taken with an inhaler causes weight loss ! I know you said that you had read up in this but have you missed the whole point as to why froome has been so desperate to prove that it was possible to have such high levels of salbutamol in his urine from an inhalor that he had only only used 8 times in 12 hours? The levels he tested for are consistent with ingesting it. Which is why other riders have served bans for reporting far less than froome did" You said salbutamol was used for weight loss, can you point me to the articule this is taken from, cause I can’t find anything on the internet, or are you just talking bollocks, I like to deal in facts ?! | |||
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"I wouldn’t wait for the link or article I don’t reckon he’s got one to share. Not to mention the rubbish about the level being consistent with ingesting it. The conclusion of the investigation is that it was shown that the levels were consistent with taking it as prescribed and as the rules allowed. " Do you know how far over the limit his original adverse analytical funding was? The reason he got off is because the levels were subsequently changed by a significant amount. It's a bit like getting caught doing 43 in a 30 zone and then getting the speed limit changed to 40 and getting off as you were just over. There are plenty of articles detailing the whole tineline but tge links aren't permitted here. | |||
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"I'm out. If the level of debate is to repeatedly state I'm talking bollocks despite me already have proved thst wasn't the case when I mentioned salbutamol for weightloss, I can't be done with it. " Let me know when you’ve found that articule on weight loss and send me the link. All the best X | |||
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"I'm out. If the level of debate is to repeatedly state I'm talking bollocks despite me already have proved thst wasn't the case when I mentioned salbutamol for weightloss, I can't be done with it. Let me know when you’ve found that articule on weight loss and send me the link. All the best X" Plenty on Google mate. Just use the words salbutamol and weightloss. Or Google beta 2 in sport. You've alreadrread lots on the subject so it should all make sense | |||
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"What’s the verdict on the first week, rest day today. Richie Porte crashes out yesterday. G is in second spot, mountains start tomorrow. To many flat stages in the first week, for my liking ?!" Agreed, too much flat for the first week. At least tease the GC guys with a few sharp lumps to get the legs burning. I like G for yellow but think his descending is a bit sketchy at times, takes risks which see him sliding on his arse more than he should. For me, the tour starts now. I'm not as interested in the sprinters as I am the GC mountain goats. | |||
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"Tbh it's been a fairly tame first week,up until yesterday that is. That was brutal just glad it was dry otherwise it would have been mayhem. That said it was one of the most exciting flat stages I have ever seen. Hate to say it but I think Cavendish is a spent force, maybe the hunger isn't there anymore he's always been a moody sod but seems very cranky this year. Team sky and froome have been playing a waiting game although I think they would have preferred froome higher in the GC than he currently is G is very well placed but let's see how he fairs in the mountains. It's still very open though." Yeah, Cav is past his peak. The Giro was so much better than the Tour so far. | |||
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"A few days ahead in the alps I really like the coverage too and put it on all day Unbelievable athletes - it’s superb viewing watching guys take the front whilst others crack A colleague takes his camper van and tries to take in 5 stages or more has done so for years" ITV 4 is really good coverage. | |||
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"I haven’t tried Eurosport yet this year - any views in their coverage? " Carlton Kirby talks bollocks and knows nothing about cycling, but I like him. Sean Kelly says the same shit ‘making the calculation’ all the time. I prefer itv4 but had Eurosport for the Giro. | |||
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"I haven’t tried Eurosport yet this year - any views in their coverage? " Well er, Sean Kelly is a bit, well er, annoying. | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see how Sky handle the situation of having 2 potential GC winners." I recon they will handle it just fine, Froome was quite happy to let G go, he wasn’t called back so I’d say they were quite happy to let him ride on for the win | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see how Sky handle the situation of having 2 potential GC winners." Hopefully they'll have learnt from the fuck ups that were the 2011 Vuelta that Froome should have won and 2012 Tour that Froome could esily have won. Movistar have shown how easy it is to fuck up, at the start of the day they had 3 leaders and now 1. In some ways it's the ideal situation but in others it's at best difficult. And in a worst case scenario it's an absolute nightmare, Roche vs Visinitini and Lemond vs Hinault being the most extreme examples (not that SKY would ever let that sortt of all out war happen) that said they were gret races for a spectator! | |||
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"What a ride from G, looked fucking awesome." Didn't he just! | |||
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"It'll be interesting to see how Sky handle the situation of having 2 potential GC winners." i brilliant situation for sky... a nightmere for everyone else... all that will probably happen is that they will take turns in attacking and let all the other teams do the work in catching them they wont need to mark each other... the other teams will have to do that for them... anyway it will come down to the individual time trial the day before the end........ | |||
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"Best day of the tour so far Great racing in awesome scenery " Alpe D huez tomorrow. | |||
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"Not sure anyone will ever admit it but I think that was job done for Cav, he was only ever at the tour to hang on as long as he can and get some hard racing miles in his legs after almost a year out and 2 big smashes. He knew he hasd limited form and he;s ben\e hampered by a leadout train that;s not functioned at all. I think he's not quite finished but certainly on the wain. Kittel was also eliminated today after 5 wins last year. As an aside what has happened to Cav's team mate Cummings? Been quiet all year and no word as to why" I can’t see him winning another stage at The Tour again, his best days are behind him. | |||
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"The French TV coverage has been particularly bad only showing sky/ froome when they absolutely had to. Really enjoyable stage today, a sky 1 ,2 on the winner's podium would be great. Both nice guys but experienced rider's and know the score regards team orders, that said Thomas may never get a chance again, still alot of miles before Paris, a puncture,a simple mechanical or a crash can change the tour results instantly." Im not an avid fan of the tour but Thomas is well overdue his chance, been a domestique so often & has had a few bumps along the way, may also pay Sky to favour him over Froome due to the negative media it would no doubt cause. | |||
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"The French TV coverage has been particularly bad only showing sky/ froome when they absolutely had to. Really enjoyable stage today, a sky 1 ,2 on the winner's podium would be great. Both nice guys but experienced rider's and know the score regards team orders, that said Thomas may never get a chance again, still alot of miles before Paris, a puncture,a simple mechanical or a crash can change the tour results instantly. Im not an avid fan of the tour but Thomas is well overdue his chance, been a domestique so often & has had a few bumps along the way, may also pay Sky to favour him over Froome due to the negative media it would no doubt cause." He’s not a proven GC rider, good at week long races. Froome is the best grand tour rider of his generation, so there should be no doubt who sky are going to stick with. | |||
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"it pissed our house last week. loads of freebies and promotional stuff ,decorated cars and fast milk type floats and after a further hour of whistles and car horns and music a load of lycra clad cyclists came through real fast , the noise of chains on cogs was great , it was then All over in less than a minute (only 25 minutes from the start of the stage at fougeres. BUT a great atmosphere and will go again next year" Are you the policeman from 'Allo 'Allo? | |||
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"it pissed our house last week. loads of freebies and promotional stuff ,decorated cars and fast milk type floats and after a further hour of whistles and car horns and music a load of lycra clad cyclists came through real fast , the noise of chains on cogs was great , it was then All over in less than a minute (only 25 minutes from the start of the stage at fougeres. BUT a great atmosphere and will go again next year Are you the policeman from 'Allo 'Allo?" yis ,tis eye dey pissed our hows viry fost | |||
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"it pissed our house last week. loads of freebies and promotional stuff ,decorated cars and fast milk type floats and after a further hour of whistles and car horns and music a load of lycra clad cyclists came through real fast , the noise of chains on cogs was great , it was then All over in less than a minute (only 25 minutes from the start of the stage at fougeres. BUT a great atmosphere and will go again next year Are you the policeman from 'Allo 'Allo? yis ,tis eye dey pissed our hows viry fost " | |||
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"it pissed our house last week. loads of freebies and promotional stuff ,decorated cars and fast milk type floats and after a further hour of whistles and car horns and music a load of lycra clad cyclists came through real fast , the noise of chains on cogs was great , it was then All over in less than a minute (only 25 minutes from the start of the stage at fougeres. BUT a great atmosphere and will go again next year" Reminds me of when the Olympic torch relay went straight past my gaff in 2012... people and the convoy went past for hours before, I just stepped opened my window 30 seconds before and got some great photos | |||
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"it pissed our house last week. loads of freebies and promotional stuff ,decorated cars and fast milk type floats and after a further hour of whistles and car horns and music a load of lycra clad cyclists came through real fast , the noise of chains on cogs was great , it was then All over in less than a minute (only 25 minutes from the start of the stage at fougeres. BUT a great atmosphere and will go again next year Reminds me of when the Olympic torch relay went straight past my gaff in 2012... people and the convoy went past for hours before, I just stepped opened my window 30 seconds before and got some great photos " It went on for hours then it was all over in a flash. (wife says that's called foreplay) | |||
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"Wow..... that is all say... no spoilers at this stage " Sensational riding! Agreed. | |||
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"Wow..... that is all say... no spoilers at this stage " I don;t see why this thread should be spoiler free. The result is everywhere anyway | |||
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"Now the highlight show's been on, Froomey as domestique for the remainder of the trip to Paris?" Not a chance, the Giro Tour double is a very exclusive club. As is 5 times winners. He's not going to give that up easily. Problem Brailsford has got is that G also wants the win but has never ridden well for an entire 3 weeks. And a rider who is a better time triallist than either of them is snapping at their heels so letting the race play out and decide itself is not a great plan | |||
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"Now the highlight show's been on, Froomey as domestique for the remainder of the trip to Paris? Not a chance, the Giro Tour double is a very exclusive club. As is 5 times winners. He's not going to give that up easily. Problem Brailsford has got is that G also wants the win but has never ridden well for an entire 3 weeks. And a rider who is a better time triallist than either of them is snapping at their heels so letting the race play out and decide itself is not a great plan" Dumoulin is looking really good, he’s the only threat I think. | |||
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"Now the highlight show's been on, Froomey as domestique for the remainder of the trip to Paris? Not a chance, the Giro Tour double is a very exclusive club. As is 5 times winners. He's not going to give that up easily. Problem Brailsford has got is that G also wants the win but has never ridden well for an entire 3 weeks. And a rider who is a better time triallist than either of them is snapping at their heels so letting the race play out and decide itself is not a great plan Dumoulin is looking really good, he’s the only threat I think." Yes I can't see anyone else challenging. Nibali clearly had the legs but is out, Bardet, couldn't ride a decent TT if his life depended on it and has lost too many team mates. The Movistar challenge is dead, non of them have the legs to push for the overall and the two LottoNL riders will be happy with their current positions. That said G always has a bad day and no one for years has come close to pulling off a decent tour after finishing the giro so it could all change | |||
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"Why are they spending so little time in the mountains this year? !" There is still the Pyrenees to come, but three in the Alps is a bit shit, Alp d Huez is so overrated, when you compare it to the climbs in the Giro. | |||
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"Going to call it now, I think Tom Dumoulin is going to win." I called Nbali yesterday and literally momentso later hexes on the deck, so I'm hoping that this doesn't curse him but I think you are right | |||
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"Going to call it now, I think Tom Dumoulin is going to win. I called Nbali yesterday and literally momentso later hexes on the deck, so I'm hoping that this doesn't curse him but I think you are right " Its a lot of work for one man. | |||
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"When you watch Neymar acting like a little bitch, then see what pro cyclist endure it’s a fucking embarrassment. In the Tour a few years ago Johnny Hoogerland was hit by a car, landed on top of a barbed wire fence, his legs were shredded, after medical help, he rode and finished the stage, then completed the Tour. " Just look back at various cycle races in the past. Shane Sutton rode 10 miles with a broken collarbone one year in the Kelloggs tour of Britain, let's not forget Geraint Thomas rode for a few days of the TDF with a broken pelvis. A footballer gets a slight tap, they receive an Oscar for their injured performances. | |||
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"Fucking cyclists!!! Get off the fucking road!!! I dont think they’re all drug cheats, it’s just a massive coincidence that they’ve all got asthma. " Read the highway code! Preferably sections 204 to 225, this might educate you on vulnerable road users. | |||
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"When do Sky decide that Froome is gonna have to ride for G ?" After the next TT!? | |||
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"When do Sky decide that Froome is gonna have to ride for G ? After the next TT!?" See how he goes in the Pyrenees. But he shouldn’t be towing for Froome, they should just wait for the others to attack. | |||
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"When you watch Neymar acting like a little bitch, then see what pro cyclist endure it’s a fucking embarrassment. In the Tour a few years ago Johnny Hoogerland was hit by a car, landed on top of a barbed wire fence, his legs were shredded, after medical help, he rode and finished the stage, then completed the Tour. Just look back at various cycle races in the past. Shane Sutton rode 10 miles with a broken collarbone one year in the Kelloggs tour of Britain, let's not forget Geraint Thomas rode for a few days of the TDF with a broken pelvis. A footballer gets a slight tap, they receive an Oscar for their injured performances." Thomas rode for more than a few days with a broken pelvis...it was 2 and a half weeks! | |||
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"When do Sky decide that Froome is gonna have to ride for G ? After the next TT!? See how he goes in the Pyrenees. But he shouldn’t be towing for Froome, they should just wait for the others to attack." problem with that is that they are not far enough of demoulin to play the waiting game....so thats why i think both froome and thomas will have have stabs to see if they can break him today.... i wouldn't be surprised to see a 1-2 punch today.... froome go first, see what demoulin does... if he catches froome then thomas will go, if demoulin looks rough then thomas will attack and froome will wait up the road for him.... | |||
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"When do Sky decide that Froome is gonna have to ride for G ? After the next TT!? See how he goes in the Pyrenees. But he shouldn’t be towing for Froome, they should just wait for the others to attack. problem with that is that they are not far enough of demoulin to play the waiting game....so thats why i think both froome and thomas will have have stabs to see if they can break him today.... i wouldn't be surprised to see a 1-2 punch today.... froome go first, see what demoulin does... if he catches froome then thomas will go, if demoulin looks rough then thomas will attack and froome will wait up the road for him...." Yeah, I don’t think Thomas should be pacing Froome cause that could open the door for Dumoulin to win. | |||
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"Turned into a bit of a non event today !" It was an inbetween stage, the final climb wasn’t long enough for any gains to be made. Can’t wait till they get to the Pyrenees. | |||
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"Turned into a bit of a non event today ! It was an inbetween stage, the final climb wasn’t long enough for any gains to be made. Can’t wait till they get to the Pyrenees. " Today's stage has been another boring one. | |||
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"Turned into a bit of a non event today ! It was an inbetween stage, the final climb wasn’t long enough for any gains to be made. Can’t wait till they get to the Pyrenees. Today's stage has been another boring one." Yeah, shite. Rest day tomorrow, then 3 days in the Pyrenees, hope there’s some fireworks, cause if I’m honest it’s been a fucking boring compared to the Giro. | |||
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