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So I'm at a convenient place to make some changes to our house and how we live. What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive).
I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
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Give up the car. I know you said you wouldn't, but you're either serious about this or not. You needn't give it up completely. Cycling is great exercise, and much kinder to the environment. |
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"So I'm at a convenient place to make some changes to our house and how we live. What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive).
I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
Practical suggestions welcome..."
You could flush your toilet with rainwater or bathwater or reclaim heat from your boiler as relatively simple measures. Ensuring all lighting is ultra efficient, house is very well insulated and applilances as as efficient as they can be.
Leaving out electic reclining seats on and plugged in uses a massive amount of electricity. Timer switches and unplugging things helps! |
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"Solar panels and an electric car is the dream (for me anyway)."
I have a hybrid already, electric ones currently fall into the ridiculously expensive category for me since I always buy second hand. As do solar panels. I'd like to cut down my plastic usage but everything just seems to be packaged that way. |
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Avoid plastic as much as possible - use refill services for cleaning products where you can, choose liquid in glass, buy loose fruit and don't bag it up separately, etc. |
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"So I'm at a convenient place to make some changes to our house and how we live. What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive).
I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
Practical suggestions welcome..."
Statistically I doubt there are very many practical changes you can make that will make the slightest bit of difference . So spend your time and money doing something way more useful would be my advice  |
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"A water butt to collect rain water
Solar panels
Water butt, good idea thanks. Never heard of them before but i can see the application for that. "
You've never heard of a water butt? |
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"So I'm at a convenient place to make some changes to our house and how we live. What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive).
I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
Practical suggestions welcome...
You could flush your toilet with rainwater or bathwater or reclaim heat from your boiler as relatively simple measures. Ensuring all lighting is ultra efficient, house is very well insulated and applilances as as efficient as they can be.
Leaving out electic reclining seats on and plugged in uses a massive amount of electricity. Timer switches and unplugging things helps!"
How do you reclaim heat from your boiler? We have good insulation and efficient bulbs everywhere. Timer switches is a good suggestion, don't have those and I can see a use for them thanks |
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"A water butt to collect rain water
Solar panels
Water butt, good idea thanks. Never heard of them before but i can see the application for that.
You've never heard of a water butt? "
First time was just now |
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Improve your insulation; there are some homes in northern Scandinavia that can heat their kitchen/dining room for hours with just a toaster & the body heat of 4.5 people .. but as you say, that can get very expensive. |
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"The single biggest environmental contributor is animal agriculture. Reducing / removing animal flesh and products from your diet is the biggest impact you can make "
Star prize for this reply. Environmentally and ethically sound. Unanswerable. |
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Try and change your buying habits too. If you can buy glass rather than plastic. Paper straws rather than plastic. In cafes either take a mug if you're ordering to go or have it in a glass. Just reduce plastic where possible is a great start. Also dispose of it properly. Pull apart those plastic can holders so they don't hurt poor little turtles  |
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"The single biggest environmental contributor is animal agriculture. Reducing / removing animal flesh and products from your diet is the biggest impact you can make
Star prize for this reply. Environmentally and ethically sound. Unanswerable."
Yeah but you've also got to get off dairy. None of this vegetarian bs |
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"So I'm at a convenient place to make some changes to our house and how we live. What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive).
I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
Practical suggestions welcome...
Statistically I doubt there are very many practical changes you can make that will make the slightest bit of difference . So spend your time and money doing something way more useful would be my advice "
I've had two good ones already! I can get a water butt and switch timers on Amazon right away! |
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"Improve your insulation; there are some homes in northern Scandinavia that can heat their kitchen/dining room for hours with just a toaster & the body heat of 4.5 people .. but as you say, that can get very expensive. "
We've recently developed the house, hence the opportunity for more changes. Already put in extra insulation, for noise reduction more than anything but same result. |
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"The single biggest environmental contributor is animal agriculture. Reducing / removing animal flesh and products from your diet is the biggest impact you can make
Star prize for this reply. Environmentally and ethically sound. Unanswerable.
Yeah but you've also got to get off dairy. None of this vegetarian bs "
Yeah that’s what I meant by their products. Flesh and secretions |
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"I'd like to cut down my plastic usage but everything just seems to be packaged that way. "
I buy all my fruit & veg off a stall at the Market Hall and take my own bags, meat I get from the butcher there, no need for polystyrene trays |
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
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"The single biggest environmental contributor is animal agriculture. Reducing / removing animal flesh and products from your diet is the biggest impact you can make "
Like a lot of subjects, there`s an awful lot of false or selective information about this. There is much of the eco system that relies on the by-products of animal agriculture and figures are now emerging that rice production is far more damaging to the environment that animal agriculture due to the methane produced/released during the making of the paddy fields. |
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"The single biggest environmental contributor is animal agriculture. Reducing / removing animal flesh and products from your diet is the biggest impact you can make
Like a lot of subjects, there`s an awful lot of false or selective information about this. There is much of the eco system that relies on the by-products of animal agriculture and figures are now emerging that rice production is far more damaging to the environment that animal agriculture due to the methane produced/released during the making of the paddy fields."
You go through 7 times the amount of plants to get meat on your plate than if you ate it direct so again by cutting meat you’re reducing that factor by 7. |
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"Give up the car. I know you said you wouldn't, but you're either serious about this or not. You needn't give it up completely. Cycling is great exercise, and much kinder to the environment."
Like the majority of the population, I'm in the middle. I'm happy to make changes and even go out of my way to help things. But I'm not damaging my career for it and there's no practical way for me to travel where i need to, without a car. I already drive a hybrid so it's very low emissions. |
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"The single biggest environmental contributor is animal agriculture. Reducing / removing animal flesh and products from your diet is the biggest impact you can make
Like a lot of subjects, there`s an awful lot of false or selective information about this. There is much of the eco system that relies on the by-products of animal agriculture and figures are now emerging that rice production is far more damaging to the environment that animal agriculture due to the methane produced/released during the making of the paddy fields.
You go through 7 times the amount of plants to get meat on your plate than if you ate it direct so again by cutting meat you’re reducing that factor by 7."
because of the amount of plants that we save by not feeding them to the animals being mass reared for meat and other animal products. I felt that needed clarification  |
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"Errrrrrrm can someone tell me what a water butt is? (No dihorrea jokes)  "
You attach it to a downpipe from your guttering and it holds rainwater that you can then use to water the garden |
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Vote green if you can find a fuck to give.
The neo cons won't save your ass.
Everything else is pissing in the wind but it might give you a warm fuzzy feeling.
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"Vote green if you can find a fuck to give.
The neo cons won't save your ass.
Everything else is pissing in the wind but it might give you a warm fuzzy feeling.
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I also have a bird table that is well visited. |
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"Errrrrrrm can someone tell me what a water butt is? (No dihorrea jokes)
You attach it to a downpipe from your guttering and it holds rainwater that you can then use to water the garden"
Oh that used to be called a water tank - lol
I was using one of those about 25 years ago, albeit in a different country & everyone used the water for everything, drinking included via a pump. |
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"Vote green if you can find a fuck to give.
The neo cons won't save your ass.
Everything else is pissing in the wind but it might give you a warm fuzzy feeling.
I also have a bird table that is well visited. "
Alfresco dinning for the local cats. |
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My friend is a farmer,he has a 15000 litre water tank that he collects rainwater in, it's used for all his livestock in the fields and I'm the barns when they come in for the winter.
He doesn't buy commercial feed and all the livestock are fed on silage or Hayledge hes grown and harvested himself. The fields he harvests are on Flood plains so would have no use to grow veggies etc ,so how is he not doing his best to lessen the impact that raising any livestock creates. He has a biomass boiler and also has solar panels for some electricity...
Sweeping generalisations about farming do no-one any favours. Mass production of anything is harmful to the environmet. You only have to pass somewhere like Stable oil refinery to see what's being pumped back into the atmosphere..
So sorry to hijack your post O. P.
But it really boils my beans... Good on ya for doing your bit x |
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"Vote green if you can find a fuck to give.
The neo cons won't save your ass.
Everything else is pissing in the wind but it might give you a warm fuzzy feeling.
I also have a bird table that is well visited. Alfresco dinning for the local cats. "
Nope, it's hanging off the side of the house. Unless the cats have anti gravity boots and a parachute then they ain't getting my birds. |
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"My friend is a farmer,he has a 15000 litre water tank that he collects rainwater in, it's used for all his livestock in the fields and I'm the barns when they come in for the winter.
He doesn't buy commercial feed and all the livestock are fed on silage or Hayledge hes grown and harvested himself. The fields he harvests are on Flood plains so would have no use to grow veggies etc ,so how is he not doing his best to lessen the impact that raising any livestock creates. He has a biomass boiler and also has solar panels for some electricity...
Sweeping generalisations about farming do no-one any favours. Mass production of anything is harmful to the environmet. You only have to pass somewhere like Stable oil refinery to see what's being pumped back into the atmosphere..
So sorry to hijack your post O. P.
But it really boils my beans... Good on ya for doing your bit x "
Stanlow oil refinery. |
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More top tips... save on electricity... don't watch the England match on Saturday
Also curb your impulse buying. I almost bought a gaggle of sparkling water bottles today. But got guilt over all the plastic. So put it back. Cold tap water will suffice for now. |
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"More top tips... save on electricity... don't watch the England match on Saturday
Also curb your impulse buying. I almost bought a gaggle of sparkling water bottles today. But got guilt over all the plastic. So put it back. Cold tap water will suffice for now. "
Could you not get ones in glass? |
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"Avoid plastic as much as possible - use refill services for cleaning products where you can, choose liquid in glass, buy loose fruit and don't bag it up separately, etc."
I put my loose fruit and veg into my trolley without a bag.
The checkout operator kindly bagged them all up for me at the checkout. I didn't realise until I got home and unpacked my shopping. |
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"Errrrrrrm can someone tell me what a water butt is? (No dihorrea jokes)
You attach it to a downpipe from your guttering and it holds rainwater that you can then use to water the garden"
Lidl had 100lt ones in for £20 with the drain pipe conector and taps
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"What ever you do,every little bit helps. It's better than doing nothing.
Do you really think it will change anything?
What harm will it do."
So you agree it's pretty pointless apart from the feels. |
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"What ever you do,every little bit helps. It's better than doing nothing.
Do you really think it will change anything?"
So you throw your toys out the pram when it dawns on you that we can't make a utopia? How about 'making the world less worse than it could be' as a goal? |
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"More top tips... save on electricity... don't watch the England match on Saturday
Also curb your impulse buying. I almost bought a gaggle of sparkling water bottles today. But got guilt over all the plastic. So put it back. Cold tap water will suffice for now.
Could you not get ones in glass? "
The only glass ones they do are in big bottles and it's only poor old lonely me living all by my ownsome. So they go flat too quick. But you're right that I could collect small glass bottles and then buy glass and decant to them. I'll do that
For more advice for living on your ownsome
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8zOlpPUDCg
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"What ever you do,every little bit helps. It's better than doing nothing.
Do you really think it will change anything?
What harm will it do. So you agree it's pretty pointless apart from the feels. "
If you're growing your own food, using less energy & catching your own water, how can it possibly not change anything? |
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"What ever you do,every little bit helps. It's better than doing nothing.
Do you really think it will change anything?
What harm will it do. So you agree it's pretty pointless apart from the feels. "
I don't think it is pointless,when I leave this life I can think to myself...at least I've tried. Just like people who fight against racism or people who stand up against social injustice,they may fail to achieve this in there lifetime...but they tried. May be,just may be the seed you helped to plant may start to grow in time until it bares fruit. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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Keep a few chicken about - turn scraps into eggs (you might have to feed them corn too).
I used to grow about 75% of the fruit and veg we ate when I was married.
You can eat tasty pests - Rabbit and pigeon are nice. |
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"What ever you do,every little bit helps. It's better than doing nothing.
Do you really think it will change anything?
So you throw your toys out the pram when it dawns on you that we can't make a utopia? How about 'making the world less worse than it could be' as a goal? "
I am sure it will give you an enormous sense of well being .However it's utterly irrelevant and pointless.You are still a neo con.You've never voted for a green policy and you never will.Youll separate your plastic glass and paper and sleep soundly in the knowledge you did all you can .
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"More top tips... save on electricity... don't watch the England match on Saturday
Also curb your impulse buying. I almost bought a gaggle of sparkling water bottles today. But got guilt over all the plastic. So put it back. Cold tap water will suffice for now.
Could you not get ones in glass?
The only glass ones they do are in big bottles and it's only poor old lonely me living all by my ownsome. So they go flat too quick. But you're right that I could collect small glass bottles and then buy glass and decant to them. I'll do that
For more advice for living on your ownsome
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8zOlpPUDCg
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You could invest in a soda stream machine and carbonate your own tap water. Get a reusable drink bottle to put in for when you are out and about. |
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"More top tips... save on electricity... don't watch the England match on Saturday
Also curb your impulse buying. I almost bought a gaggle of sparkling water bottles today. But got guilt over all the plastic. So put it back. Cold tap water will suffice for now.
Could you not get ones in glass?
The only glass ones they do are in big bottles and it's only poor old lonely me living all by my ownsome. So they go flat too quick. But you're right that I could collect small glass bottles and then buy glass and decant to them. I'll do that
For more advice for living on your ownsome
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8zOlpPUDCg
You could invest in a soda stream machine and carbonate your own tap water. Get a reusable drink bottle to put in for when you are out and about."
Hmm good thinking I'll look into it |
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"What ever you do,every little bit helps. It's better than doing nothing.
Do you really think it will change anything?
So you throw your toys out the pram when it dawns on you that we can't make a utopia? How about 'making the world less worse than it could be' as a goal?
I am sure it will give you an enormous sense of well being .However it's utterly irrelevant and pointless.You are still a neo con.You've never voted for a green policy and you never will.Youll separate your plastic glass and paper and sleep soundly in the knowledge you did all you can .
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Did you even read the thread? |
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"What ever you do,every little bit helps. It's better than doing nothing.
Do you really think it will change anything?
So you throw your toys out the pram when it dawns on you that we can't make a utopia? How about 'making the world less worse than it could be' as a goal?
I am sure it will give you an enormous sense of well being .However it's utterly irrelevant and pointless.You are still a neo con.You've never voted for a green policy and you never will.Youll separate your plastic glass and paper and sleep soundly in the knowledge you did all you can .
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It takes a special type of arrogance for political parties to blame voters for not voting for them. The green policies of the green party are fine, their economic policies are amateur and nothing to do with the environment. They are just flat out bad policies and that's why I won't vote for them. |
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Put half a brick in your loo cistern, reuse your bags; ideally use hessian or paper ones, loo roll inners make good planting pots for seedlings, water butt, scrunched up tin foil makes a good Brillo pad for a couple of uses so saves buying and then chucking them. There is a cleaning stuff company called Ecover that will refill your bottles of stuff for cheaper if you take them back to where you bought them; usually farmer's shops etc. Their washing up liquid is smashing. All natural and environmentally friendly ingredients too so you can drain your washing up water into your water butt too without harming your garden or plants. I see your car is fairly low emissions so that all good. Veganism is fine if you can live without meat and cheese, I can't lol but totally your choice. Making your own yoghurt is fun and easy if you fancied that, less packaging from shop bought stuff hanging around and if you do have loads of carrier bags loitering around still you can use them to make sitting mats for outside picnics etc by slicing and plaiting and using them in other ways. Clothes can usually be repurposed and then gifted I.e. Handbags out of tshirts, patchwork blankets etc if they are too far gone for charity to use them |
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"What ever you do,every little bit helps. It's better than doing nothing.
Do you really think it will change anything?
So you throw your toys out the pram when it dawns on you that we can't make a utopia? How about 'making the world less worse than it could be' as a goal?
I am sure it will give you an enormous sense of well being .However it's utterly irrelevant and pointless.You are still a neo con.You've never voted for a green policy and you never will.Youll separate your plastic glass and paper and sleep soundly in the knowledge you did all you can .
It takes a special type of arrogance for political parties to blame voters for not voting for them. The green policies of the green party are fine, their economic policies are amateur and nothing to do with the environment. They are just flat out bad policies and that's why I won't vote for them. "
Like I said you'll never vote for a green policy but you'll vote for whatever makes you wealthier.Neo cons will give you the World you deserve.Your faux environmentalism will change nothing.Sleep well eco warrior. |
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Alot can be done in the bathroom. Get rid of deodorant sprays. It's just aluminium blocking your skins pores. Totally unhealthy. I use salt of the earth pump action spray instead and you can get big refill bottles for that.
Shampoo is also bad stuff. It's basically engine degreaser. If you've got greasy hair it's likely the shampoo is actually doing it. Try washing it very lightly and less often and it should get back into its own equilibrium. The same could probably be said of moisturiser but I'm a dude so what do I know.
Finally, on the loo roll front... just try not to be excessive with it  |
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"Put half a brick in your loo cistern, reuse your bags; ideally use hessian or paper ones, loo roll inners make good planting pots for seedlings, water butt, scrunched up tin foil makes a good Brillo pad for a couple of uses so saves buying and then chucking them. There is a cleaning stuff company called Ecover that will refill your bottles of stuff for cheaper if you take them back to where you bought them; usually farmer's shops etc. Their washing up liquid is smashing. All natural and environmentally friendly ingredients too so you can drain your washing up water into your water butt too without harming your garden or plants. I see your car is fairly low emissions so that all good. Veganism is fine if you can live without meat and cheese, I can't lol but totally your choice. Making your own yoghurt is fun and easy if you fancied that, less packaging from shop bought stuff hanging around and if you do have loads of carrier bags loitering around still you can use them to make sitting mats for outside picnics etc by slicing and plaiting and using them in other ways. Clothes can usually be repurposed and then gifted I.e. Handbags out of tshirts, patchwork blankets etc if they are too far gone for charity to use them "
We've had a garden for less than a year, but getting a compost heap was one of the first things we did. I'm quite excited about all the things we might be able to grow. |
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There is nothing like eating veggies grown in your own garden that you've nurtured and cared for all along :D I always grow peas for nostalgia of sitting on back steps podding them with Gran and they are easy to grow too |
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"Put half a brick in your loo cistern, reuse your bags; ideally use hessian or paper ones, loo roll inners make good planting pots for seedlings, water butt, scrunched up tin foil makes a good Brillo pad for a couple of uses so saves buying and then chucking them. There is a cleaning stuff company called Ecover that will refill your bottles of stuff for cheaper if you take them back to where you bought them; usually farmer's shops etc. Their washing up liquid is smashing. All natural and environmentally friendly ingredients too so you can drain your washing up water into your water butt too without harming your garden or plants. I see your car is fairly low emissions so that all good. Veganism is fine if you can live without meat and cheese, I can't lol but totally your choice. Making your own yoghurt is fun and easy if you fancied that, less packaging from shop bought stuff hanging around and if you do have loads of carrier bags loitering around still you can use them to make sitting mats for outside picnics etc by slicing and plaiting and using them in other ways. Clothes can usually be repurposed and then gifted I.e. Handbags out of tshirts, patchwork blankets etc if they are too far gone for charity to use them
We've had a garden for less than a year, but getting a compost heap was one of the first things we did. I'm quite excited about all the things we might be able to grow. "
There is no food that tastes so good as food you grow yourself.
Even the simplest things like potatoes.
I had a potato tub at my old place, no room for a garden so grew loads of stuff in pots and tubs.
If you can put part of your garden to one side get some bantams. Awesome looking chickens and the eggs are delicious.
They'll eat out of your hand and make a great combination of being environmentally friendly and awesome pets. Everything to clean out of the hutch can go on the compost. I used straw and newspaper.
If you can't turn your hand to making a hutch and run there are some ready made ones from a company called egglu. Although they're plastic/PVC so a compromise on the green strategy. |
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"A bread maker. Very easy and yummy too. Might help cut down on packaging "
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Good idea but unfortunately the power they use is more than that used to package shop bought stuff. Taste soo much nicer and healthier for you as you can control exactly what goes in though so although isn't energy saving has many other benefits |
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"Put half a brick in your loo cistern, reuse your bags; ideally use hessian or paper ones, loo roll inners make good planting pots for seedlings, water butt, scrunched up tin foil makes a good Brillo pad for a couple of uses so saves buying and then chucking them. There is a cleaning stuff company called Ecover that will refill your bottles of stuff for cheaper if you take them back to where you bought them; usually farmer's shops etc. Their washing up liquid is smashing. All natural and environmentally friendly ingredients too so you can drain your washing up water into your water butt too without harming your garden or plants. I see your car is fairly low emissions so that all good. Veganism is fine if you can live without meat and cheese, I can't lol but totally your choice. Making your own yoghurt is fun and easy if you fancied that, less packaging from shop bought stuff hanging around and if you do have loads of carrier bags loitering around still you can use them to make sitting mats for outside picnics etc by slicing and plaiting and using them in other ways. Clothes can usually be repurposed and then gifted I.e. Handbags out of tshirts, patchwork blankets etc if they are too far gone for charity to use them
We've had a garden for less than a year, but getting a compost heap was one of the first things we did. I'm quite excited about all the things we might be able to grow.
There is no food that tastes so good as food you grow yourself.
Even the simplest things like potatoes.
I had a potato tub at my old place, no room for a garden so grew loads of stuff in pots and tubs.
If you can put part of your garden to one side get some bantams. Awesome looking chickens and the eggs are delicious.
They'll eat out of your hand and make a great combination of being environmentally friendly and awesome pets. Everything to clean out of the hutch can go on the compost. I used straw and newspaper.
If you can't turn your hand to making a hutch and run there are some ready made ones from a company called egglu. Although they're plastic/PVC so a compromise on the green strategy."
Our garden isn't really big enough for chickens, although i would have liked them. I had them as a kid and concur about their value. Potatoe tub is interesting though, I didn't know about those so I'll look into it. |
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Spud tubs made from left over tyres are good. Stack two high and plant and then when established add another tyre and top up soil and then keep doing until 4/5 tyres high ish depending on how tall you are to dig them out lol. Good way of recycling stuff |
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"Spud tubs made from left over tyres are good. Stack two high and plant and then when established add another tyre and top up soil and then keep doing until 4/5 tyres high ish depending on how tall you are to dig them out lol. Good way of recycling stuff "
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This is only small but a few years ago a bought a couple of cheap, stone-like/size garden solar lights, - I live in the country, & leave them on a south facing windowsill for whenever I need to go outside at night, so thats about 8-10 large handle torch batteries that I didn't need to buy.
Surprisingly they charge during the winter too.
But there's always that good feeling when I use them.
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"This is only small but a few years ago a bought a couple of cheap, stone-like/size garden solar lights, - I live in the country, & leave them on a south facing windowsill for whenever I need to go outside at night, so thats about 8-10 large handle torch batteries that I didn't need to buy.
Surprisingly they charge during the winter too.
But there's always that good feeling when I use them.
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"This is only small but a few years ago a bought a couple of cheap, stone-like/size garden solar lights, - I live in the country, & leave them on a south facing windowsill for whenever I need to go outside at night, so thats about 8-10 large handle torch batteries that I didn't need to buy.
Surprisingly they charge during the winter too.
But there's always that good feeling when I use them.
Excuse my ignorance, but what do they do exactly? Light up your garden? "
That's what they're supposed to do - but not why I bought them.
I'm in a very rural spot. |
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Food miles are a big thing that you as a consumer can try to mitigate, as is plastic wrapping and packaging but its harder due to retailers.
If you have a local green grocers/butchers/fish monger try to buy from them if they arent extortionate. Just start by reusing the plastic you have atm for bread, fruit veg. As for fish snd meat, be weird like me and take tupawear boxes and just ask the person to put the right product in thr right box rather than wrapping and bagging. |
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"So I'm at a convenient place to make some changes to our house and how we live. What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive).
I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
Practical suggestions welcome..."
Good insulation and windows. Good for your carbon footprint AND you save monet on energy bills. |
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"So I'm at a convenient place to make some changes to our house and how we live. What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive).
I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
Practical suggestions welcome...
Good insulation and windows. Good for your carbon footprint AND you save monet on energy bills."
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"Food miles are a big thing that you as a consumer can try to mitigate, as is plastic wrapping and packaging but its harder due to retailers.
If you have a local green grocers/butchers/fish monger try to buy from them if they arent extortionate. Just start by reusing the plastic you have atm for bread, fruit veg. As for fish snd meat, be weird like me and take tupawear boxes and just ask the person to put the right product in thr right box rather than wrapping and bagging."
Where do you think your “ local fishmonger” gets his fish from ? The last time I looked Leeds was nowhere near the coast, the fish you buy has probably been caught by a super-trawler, do you know how much fuel they use ? |
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Good stuff all.
A couple of things to point out, for the sake of perspective, cos they haven't been mentioned.
I think all household recycling waste accounts for something small like 3% and most of its industrial. I believe in recycling and being responsible and doing my bit.
Also, it seems a lot of facilities only recycle maybe only half of what goes in the red/green bins, I've heard?
Because of this, I won't freak out if one scrap of a polo wrapper ends up in a normal bin by mistake, nor will I scream at anyone who does the same. I will try to keep perspective instead.
Apart from this, good work all. I do my bit as much as I reasonably can, but tbh won't let it completely consume my life and focus. (Also do people really drink out of water butts...??) |
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"Good stuff all.
A couple of things to point out, for the sake of perspective, cos they haven't been mentioned.
I think all household recycling waste accounts for something small like 3% and most of its industrial. I believe in recycling and being responsible and doing my bit.
Also, it seems a lot of facilities only recycle maybe only half of what goes in the red/green bins, I've heard?
Because of this, I won't freak out if one scrap of a polo wrapper ends up in a normal bin by mistake, nor will I scream at anyone who does the same. I will try to keep perspective instead.
Apart from this, good work all. I do my bit as much as I reasonably can, but tbh won't let it completely consume my life and focus. (Also do people really drink out of water butts...??)"
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"Good stuff all.
A couple of things to point out, for the sake of perspective, cos they haven't been mentioned.
I think all household recycling waste accounts for something small like 3% and most of its industrial. I believe in recycling and being responsible and doing my bit.
Also, it seems a lot of facilities only recycle maybe only half of what goes in the red/green bins, I've heard?
Because of this, I won't freak out if one scrap of a polo wrapper ends up in a normal bin by mistake, nor will I scream at anyone who does the same. I will try to keep perspective instead.
Apart from this, good work all. I do my bit as much as I reasonably can, but tbh won't let it completely consume my life and focus. (Also do people really drink out of water butts...??)"
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"Good stuff all.
A couple of things to point out, for the sake of perspective, cos they haven't been mentioned.
I think all household recycling waste accounts for something small like 3% and most of its industrial. I believe in recycling and being responsible and doing my bit.
Also, it seems a lot of facilities only recycle maybe only half of what goes in the red/green bins, I've heard?
Because of this, I won't freak out if one scrap of a polo wrapper ends up in a normal bin by mistake, nor will I scream at anyone who does the same. I will try to keep perspective instead.
Apart from this, good work all. I do my bit as much as I reasonably can, but tbh won't let it completely consume my life and focus. (Also do people really drink out of water butts...??)"
I wouldn't drink the water out of ours, it's been standing for too long. |
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"So I'm at a convenient place to make some changes to our house and how we live. What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive).
I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
Practical suggestions welcome..."
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I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
Practical suggestions welcome..."
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I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
Practical suggestions welcome...
Plant lots of bee friendly plants "
Which ones are bee friendly? |
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How do you reclaim heat from your boiler? We have good insulation and efficient bulbs everywhere. Timer switches is a good suggestion, don't have those and I can see a use for them thanks"
You can use a heat exchanger to reclaim some of the heat (energy) from the gases outlet by the flu |
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How do you reclaim heat from your boiler? We have good insulation and efficient bulbs everywhere. Timer switches is a good suggestion, don't have those and I can see a use for them thanks
You can use a heat exchanger to reclaim some of the heat (energy) from the gases outlet by the flu"
Interesting, so it's just a case of buying a great exchanger and getting it fitted? |
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"What ever you do,every little bit helps. It's better than doing nothing.
Do you really think it will change anything?
So you throw your toys out the pram when it dawns on you that we can't make a utopia? How about 'making the world less worse than it could be' as a goal?
I am sure it will give you an enormous sense of well being .However it's utterly irrelevant and pointless.You are still a neo con.You've never voted for a green policy and you never will.Youll separate your plastic glass and paper and sleep soundly in the knowledge you did all you can .
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Arguing that it's futile changing your own personal habits in respect to environmental conservation is so you may as well not bother flawed. Yes it will take collective action for producers, retailers and Government's to take note, but that has to start somewhere. Supermarkets will stop selling prepackaged produce if no one is buying.
As for your arguments about political parties, voting is just one aspect. Additionally we can lobby our elected representatives and it is possible to join a party, grow consensus and bring about changes in policy that way.
Your argument on both counts amount to apathy and we know what that gets us. The status quo.
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My ex always swore by ecoballs. These plastic balls you can put in your washing machine that clean stuff without the need to use any powder. In all the years we used them I'd say they worked great. I might get some myself. I'd hazard a guess that you'll probably want to use powder on really dirty washes. But lighter daily stuff can easily be done by ecoballs |
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"My ex always swore by ecoballs. These plastic balls you can put in your washing machine that clean stuff without the need to use any powder. In all the years we used them I'd say they worked great. I might get some myself. I'd hazard a guess that you'll probably want to use powder on really dirty washes. But lighter daily stuff can easily be done by ecoballs "
Just googled them. £20, yup I'm down for that |
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You seek to limit the harm you personally are doing to nature out of respect and love for it. You can't ever know if what you're doing is ultimately futile. But it's the right and dignified response to being alive on this beautiful planet.
But the whole equation is complex. Local small shops need your investment. As do local small farms. The right reaction to the excesses of industrialised monoculture is not to retreat into some kind of neurotic vegan Jainism where you can't even tread on a single ant. Instead, it's about supporting small things over big imo. Eating meat isn't the problem. It's eating industrialised meat. Driving a car isn't a problem. It's driving a car every day to drop your kids off at a school 15 minutes walking distance away. Eating fruit isn't the problem. It's eating fruit flown in from Kenya.
But there's another depth to the problems than this... the poverty of other nations and the things desperate people will do to get out of it. The appropriate response to such things isn't to give up. It's to try your best and hope it helps and always ask if there's anything you could be doing better to help more. It might all be futile. But you're a better, more noble person, for at least trying |
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Oh I just thought of another one but only if you eat lots of fresh fish.
Fish guts & bones and sea make brilliant liquid fertiliser when you keep adding it to a barrel to ferment & keep topping up with water.
A good, sold airtight lid is a must though.
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How do you reclaim heat from your boiler? We have good insulation and efficient bulbs everywhere. Timer switches is a good suggestion, don't have those and I can see a use for them thanks
You can use a heat exchanger to reclaim some of the heat (energy) from the gases outlet by the flu
Interesting, so it's just a case of buying a great exchanger and getting it fitted? "
Condensing boilers already do that,extract the latent heat, hence the condensate formed. |
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"Avoid plastic as much as possible - use refill services for cleaning products where you can, choose liquid in glass, buy loose fruit and don't bag it up separately, etc."
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is it just me or does all of this seem pointless...i mean we have wars going on where massive bombs are going off..we let off nuclear bombs on the planet and under the sea under the name of "testing them"..we dump depleted nuclear waste everywhere ..its the same people that do all of this that tell us we need to look after this planet,..yeah thanks to you , you fuckers
so sitting at home with a special light bulb and a bag for life isnt going to cut it as long as these warmongering assholes are in power....
if the human race was a threat to this planet it would shake us off like a bad case of fleas.
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Heating and cooling a house are by far the biggest energy consumers.
Passivhaus houses are carbon neutral and some carbon negative.
If you’re making big changes might be useful to take a look how they achieve it. |
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"is it just me or does all of this seem pointless...i mean we have wars going on where massive bombs are going off..we let off nuclear bombs on the planet and under the sea under the name of "testing them"..we dump depleted nuclear waste everywhere ..its the same people that do all of this that tell us we need to look after this planet,..yeah thanks to you , you fuckers
so sitting at home with a special light bulb and a bag for life isnt going to cut it as long as these warmongering assholes are in power....
if the human race was a threat to this planet it would shake us off like a bad case of fleas.
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I know you said about the car.but..
But a bike with a decent bike rack, Get some pennies, and use it for all your local trips, included shopping. Amazing how much you can fit in to some decent Ortleibs.
Probably be quicker too, as well as giving you some decent cardiovascular. |
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"is it just me or does all of this seem pointless...i mean we have wars going on where massive bombs are going off..we let off nuclear bombs on the planet and under the sea under the name of "testing them"..we dump depleted nuclear waste everywhere ..its the same people that do all of this that tell us we need to look after this planet,..yeah thanks to you , you fuckers
so sitting at home with a special light bulb and a bag for life isnt going to cut it as long as these warmongering assholes are in power....
if the human race was a threat to this planet it would shake us off like a bad case of fleas.
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If we all thought like that there's no hope. |
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I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
Practical suggestions welcome...
Plant lots of bee friendly plants
Which ones are bee friendly?"
The garden centres generally have them labelled as such. There are so many different types to choose from. My particular favourites are Aquilegia, Lavender and (of course) Cosmos. |
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Which is the greenest the hippy eco warriors who have two children; each of which spawn 2 more etc. etc? All of whom will use and consume more resources in exponential fashion until doomsday.
Or the the Chelsea tractor driving couple who have no children and thus no eco damage is carried forward to future generations.
Just asking. |
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"So I'm at a convenient place to make some changes to our house and how we live. What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive).
I already recycle a lot, have a compost heap and try to grow some of our own food in the garden. I ain't giving up my car.
Practical suggestions welcome...
Plant lots of bee friendly plants
Which ones are bee friendly?
The garden centres generally have them labelled as such. There are so many different types to choose from. My particular favourites are Aquilegia, Lavender and (of course) Cosmos. "
Oh cool, we have lavender from the previous owners. We love it. |
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"Which is the greenest the hippy eco warriors who have two children; each of which spawn 2 more etc. etc? All of whom will use and consume more resources in exponential fashion until doomsday.
Or the the Chelsea tractor driving couple who have no children and thus no eco damage is carried forward to future generations.
Just asking."
I'm not competing to be the greenest. I already said I'm not ditching my car. I'd like both couples in your example to do what they can and make the world less shitty than it would be if everybody gave up trying.
From this thread I've got 5 practical changes that will cost me less than £200 in total and make some difference. It was worth asking the question for that. |
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"Which is the greenest the hippy eco warriors who have two children; each of which spawn 2 more etc. etc? All of whom will use and consume more resources in exponential fashion until doomsday.
Or the the Chelsea tractor driving couple who have no children and thus no eco damage is carried forward to future generations.
Just asking."
Surely the latter are doing damage now that might be irreversible whereas the former will hopefully have children that are more considerate and won’t fuck things up any more than they are? |
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"Which is the greenest the hippy eco warriors who have two children; each of which spawn 2 more etc. etc? All of whom will use and consume more resources in exponential fashion until doomsday.
Or the the Chelsea tractor driving couple who have no children and thus no eco damage is carried forward to future generations.
Just asking.
Surely the latter are doing damage now that might be irreversible whereas the former will hopefully have children that are more considerate and won’t fuck things up any more than they are?"
It's naive to try and analyse dynamic systems with such a reductionist approach. Just ask Thomas Malthus. |
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From this thread I've got 5 practical changes that will cost me less than £200 in total and make some difference. It was worth asking the question for that. "
Which is excellent but you asked
'What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive). '
I mentioned the bigger picture and raised the point that not having children might be by far the most effective thing that could be done. And, of course, it would cost nothing. |
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From this thread I've got 5 practical changes that will cost me less than £200 in total and make some difference. It was worth asking the question for that.
Which is excellent but you asked
'What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive). '
I mentioned the bigger picture and raised the point that not having children might be by far the most effective thing that could be done. And, of course, it would cost nothing."
It's not true though. Ask Thomas Malthus. |
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"Food miles are a big thing that you as a consumer can try to mitigate, as is plastic wrapping and packaging but its harder due to retailers.
If you have a local green grocers/butchers/fish monger try to buy from them if they arent extortionate. Just start by reusing the plastic you have atm for bread, fruit veg. As for fish snd meat, be weird like me and take tupawear boxes and just ask the person to put the right product in thr right box rather than wrapping and bagging.
Where do you think your “ local fishmonger” gets his fish from ? The last time I looked Leeds was nowhere near the coast, the fish you buy has probably been caught by a super-trawler, do you know how much fuel they use ? "
Okay, there's nothing I can do about the fact that trawlers use fossil fuels. I'd love to come up with a cleaner synthetic replacement but guess what, we're not there yet.
So here are the options:
Cut fish out of my diet: Unlikely to happen as I like it and it's healthier than meat.
Go to the supermarket, buy the stuff that comes in plastic wrap and containers per packet and have no ability to change directly.
Use the local fishmonger, which is a family run business, supports the local and regional economy, and gets me when I ask him to just put the fillets of mackerel and trout my containers.
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From this thread I've got 5 practical changes that will cost me less than £200 in total and make some difference. It was worth asking the question for that.
Which is excellent but you asked
'What changes would you recommend people make to their daily lives in order to live a more enviornmentally friendly way? (That aren't stupidly expensive). '
I mentioned the bigger picture and raised the point that not having children might be by far the most effective thing that could be done. And, of course, it would cost nothing.
It's not true though. Ask Thomas Malthus. "
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"Which is the greenest the hippy eco warriors who have two children; each of which spawn 2 more etc. etc? All of whom will use and consume more resources in exponential fashion until doomsday.
Or the the Chelsea tractor driving couple who have no children and thus no eco damage is carried forward to future generations.
Just asking.
Surely the latter are doing damage now that might be irreversible whereas the former will hopefully have children that are more considerate and won’t fuck things up any more than they are?"
Who knows, the children born now might be the engineers, physicists, chemists and biologists who go on to finally bring in a 100 renewable future. |
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Your right its irrelevant.30 years ago this week in 1988 NASA told the world we are in the age of climate change.At that time the worlds energy use was 79% fossil fuels 30 years later today its 81%.Weve had 30 years to get our shit togeather and failed and all those solar panels fitted and all that recycling you did was irrelevant.In the next 30 years the co2 will continue to rise and rise and rise we will without doubt pass all the tipping points predicted in 1988,this is now inevetitable .Co2 has increased by 69% compared to 1988.It will continue to increase for the next century no matter how much you recyle .
The ice caps are half the size they were.The last time species were going extinct at todays rate was in the Permian era when 98% of all life died.
Weve given this age a new name its called the anthropecene.Its when all ecosytems will collapse.If you think Co2 is a problem just wait until the methane trapped in the ocean floor and the permafrost get realeased by a warming climate.Then the party will really begin and runaway climate change starts.We know what this looks like.It looks like the planet venus.Uninhabitable.
Best option for our species is to get the fuck off the planet in the next 200 years.Elon musk agrees... |
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"Which is the greenest the hippy eco warriors who have two children; each of which spawn 2 more etc. etc? All of whom will use and consume more resources in exponential fashion until doomsday.
Or the the Chelsea tractor driving couple who have no children and thus no eco damage is carried forward to future generations.
Just asking.
Surely the latter are doing damage now that might be irreversible whereas the former will hopefully have children that are more considerate and won’t fuck things up any more than they are?
Who knows, the children born now might be the engineers, physicists, chemists and biologists who go on to finally bring in a 100 renewable future."
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"Your right its irrelevant.30 years ago this week in 1988 NASA told the world we are in the age of climate change.At that time the worlds energy use was 79% fossil fuels 30 years later today its 81%.Weve had 30 years to get our shit togeather and failed and all those solar panels fitted and all that recycling you did was irrelevant.In the next 30 years the co2 will continue to rise and rise and rise we will without doubt pass all the tipping points predicted in 1988,this is now inevetitable .Co2 has increased by 69% compared to 1988.It will continue to increase for the next century no matter how much you recyle .
The ice caps are half the size they were.The last time species were going extinct at todays rate was in the Permian era when 98% of all life died.
Weve given this age a new name its called the anthropecene.Its when all ecosytems will collapse.If you think Co2 is a problem just wait until the methane trapped in the ocean floor and the permafrost get realeased by a warming climate.Then the party will really begin and runaway climate change starts.We know what this looks like.It looks like the planet venus.Uninhabitable.
Best option for our species is to get the fuck off the planet in the next 200 years.Elon musk agrees... "
That's one side of it - and yes we might have to act on it if possible.
The flip side of it is we innovate like our species has always done.
Strict regulations on the blatantly damaging activities, encouragement and stimulus for those which will aid us in not screwing the planet up at a greater rate. |
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"Your right its irrelevant.30 years ago this week in 1988 NASA told the world we are in the age of climate change.At that time the worlds energy use was 79% fossil fuels 30 years later today its 81%.Weve had 30 years to get our shit togeather and failed and all those solar panels fitted and all that recycling you did was irrelevant.In the next 30 years the co2 will continue to rise and rise and rise we will without doubt pass all the tipping points predicted in 1988,this is now inevetitable .Co2 has increased by 69% compared to 1988.It will continue to increase for the next century no matter how much you recyle .
The ice caps are half the size they were.The last time species were going extinct at todays rate was in the Permian era when 98% of all life died.
Weve given this age a new name its called the anthropecene.Its when all ecosytems will collapse.If you think Co2 is a problem just wait until the methane trapped in the ocean floor and the permafrost get realeased by a warming climate.Then the party will really begin and runaway climate change starts.We know what this looks like.It looks like the planet venus.Uninhabitable.
Best option for our species is to get the fuck off the planet in the next 200 years.Elon musk agrees...
That's one side of it - and yes we might have to act on it if possible.
The flip side of it is we innovate like our species has always done.
Strict regulations on the blatantly damaging activities, encouragement and stimulus for those which will aid us in not screwing the planet up at a greater rate."
Ahh yes the silver bullet response.I used to think the same.We will find a technological solution to the problem.
We wont!Because its not a technological problem is a social political problem and you know people like to fly away on holidays and like plastic shit made in china and absolultley hate to change their lifestyles.Even more so when goverments tell the to and god forbid enforce change...There is no silver bullet for this situation.. |
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By *tirluvMan
over a year ago
the right frame of mind -London |
1. Just stop buying unnecessary shit -thiink first:
Do I really need another/ Wihat wll i do with 2?
Do I really need a newer version/ will the old one do?
Do I really need it/ will anyone care if i don't have one?
2. Stop taking unecessary car journeys -walk, cycle use public transport wherever possible.
3. Use seasonal produce and cut out packaging wherever possible.
4. Unplug anything that doesn't need to be on/ use remote switching -e.g. is it that much hassle to switch your TV on at the wall before slumping at the sofa & relying on standby?
5. Open a window/ strip off if it's hot or close them / put on more layers if it's cold -stop relying on heating and aircon so much.
6. make a point of re-using everything before you even consider recycling.
7. Recycle water and catch water -shower over/ in a bucket and use the water to flush the toilet or water your garden with.
8. get a Solar hot water system installed.
9. Get a PV. system installed if that is in your budget
10. The most important tip for improving your hippy tree hugger status: Develop a superior attitude about your pious lifestyle -that way you will attract fewer friends and thereby reduce their travel carbon footprint.
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"Your right its irrelevant.30 years ago this week in 1988 NASA told the world we are in the age of climate change.At that time the worlds energy use was 79% fossil fuels 30 years later today its 81%.Weve had 30 years to get our shit togeather and failed and all those solar panels fitted and all that recycling you did was irrelevant.In the next 30 years the co2 will continue to rise and rise and rise we will without doubt pass all the tipping points predicted in 1988,this is now inevetitable .Co2 has increased by 69% compared to 1988.It will continue to increase for the next century no matter how much you recyle .
The ice caps are half the size they were.The last time species were going extinct at todays rate was in the Permian era when 98% of all life died.
Weve given this age a new name its called the anthropecene.Its when all ecosytems will collapse.If you think Co2 is a problem just wait until the methane trapped in the ocean floor and the permafrost get realeased by a warming climate.Then the party will really begin and runaway climate change starts.We know what this looks like.It looks like the planet venus.Uninhabitable.
Best option for our species is to get the fuck off the planet in the next 200 years.Elon musk agrees...
That's one side of it - and yes we might have to act on it if possible.
The flip side of it is we innovate like our species has always done.
Strict regulations on the blatantly damaging activities, encouragement and stimulus for those which will aid us in not screwing the planet up at a greater rate.
Ahh yes the silver bullet response.I used to think the same.We will find a technological solution to the problem.
We wont!Because its not a technological problem is a social political problem and you know people like to fly away on holidays and like plastic shit made in china and absolultley hate to change their lifestyles.Even more so when goverments tell the to and god forbid enforce change...There is no silver bullet for this situation.."
If you think we're not in a better place than in 1988 then you are delusional and need to read some history books. It's easy to be a nihilist and cynical. At least we're no longer facing a serious risk of all out nuclear war. |
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"Your right its irrelevant.30 years ago this week in 1988 NASA told the world we are in the age of climate change.At that time the worlds energy use was 79% fossil fuels 30 years later today its 81%.Weve had 30 years to get our shit togeather and failed and all those solar panels fitted and all that recycling you did was irrelevant.In the next 30 years the co2 will continue to rise and rise and rise we will without doubt pass all the tipping points predicted in 1988,this is now inevetitable .Co2 has increased by 69% compared to 1988.It will continue to increase for the next century no matter how much you recyle .
The ice caps are half the size they were.The last time species were going extinct at todays rate was in the Permian era when 98% of all life died.
Weve given this age a new name its called the anthropecene.Its when all ecosytems will collapse.If you think Co2 is a problem just wait until the methane trapped in the ocean floor and the permafrost get realeased by a warming climate.Then the party will really begin and runaway climate change starts.We know what this looks like.It looks like the planet venus.Uninhabitable.
Best option for our species is to get the fuck off the planet in the next 200 years.Elon musk agrees...
That's one side of it - and yes we might have to act on it if possible.
The flip side of it is we innovate like our species has always done.
Strict regulations on the blatantly damaging activities, encouragement and stimulus for those which will aid us in not screwing the planet up at a greater rate.
Ahh yes the silver bullet response.I used to think the same.We will find a technological solution to the problem.
We wont!Because its not a technological problem is a social political problem and you know people like to fly away on holidays and like plastic shit made in china and absolultley hate to change their lifestyles.Even more so when goverments tell the to and god forbid enforce change...There is no silver bullet for this situation.."
Okay you are half right - yes there needs to be massive social awareness changes.
People need to pressure big suppliers to use less plastic in packaging stuff that doesn't need it.
Less plastic bull crap.
Less people eating meat every day.
At the same point though tech innovation is the other half.
People are looking into editing bacterial genomes so we can produce petroleum substitutes from them.
From this we could make bio-polymer plastics which would be biodegradable, or at worst, process able through enzyme catalysts.
I get sad at the state of the world as well, but honestly if don't have a diverse array of options to try then we wont get far anyway. |
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"Your right its irrelevant.30 years ago this week in 1988 NASA told the world we are in the age of climate change.At that time the worlds energy use was 79% fossil fuels 30 years later today its 81%.Weve had 30 years to get our shit togeather and failed and all those solar panels fitted and all that recycling you did was irrelevant.In the next 30 years the co2 will continue to rise and rise and rise we will without doubt pass all the tipping points predicted in 1988,this is now inevetitable .Co2 has increased by 69% compared to 1988.It will continue to increase for the next century no matter how much you recyle .
The ice caps are half the size they were.The last time species were going extinct at todays rate was in the Permian era when 98% of all life died.
Weve given this age a new name its called the anthropecene.Its when all ecosytems will collapse.If you think Co2 is a problem just wait until the methane trapped in the ocean floor and the permafrost get realeased by a warming climate.Then the party will really begin and runaway climate change starts.We know what this looks like.It looks like the planet venus.Uninhabitable.
Best option for our species is to get the fuck off the planet in the next 200 years.Elon musk agrees...
That's one side of it - and yes we might have to act on it if possible.
The flip side of it is we innovate like our species has always done.
Strict regulations on the blatantly damaging activities, encouragement and stimulus for those which will aid us in not screwing the planet up at a greater rate.
Ahh yes the silver bullet response.I used to think the same.We will find a technological solution to the problem.
We wont!Because its not a technological problem is a social political problem and you know people like to fly away on holidays and like plastic shit made in china and absolultley hate to change their lifestyles.Even more so when goverments tell the to and god forbid enforce change...There is no silver bullet for this situation..
Okay you are half right - yes there needs to be massive social awareness changes.
People need to pressure big suppliers to use less plastic in packaging stuff that doesn't need it.
Less plastic bull crap.
Less people eating meat every day.
At the same point though tech innovation is the other half.
People are looking into editing bacterial genomes so we can produce petroleum substitutes from them.
From this we could make bio-polymer plastics which would be biodegradable, or at worst, process able through enzyme catalysts.
I get sad at the state of the world as well, but honestly if don't have a diverse array of options to try then we wont get far anyway. "
Weve had 30 years to change and in that time its gotten really really worse.So youll have to forgive me having no faith in any politican or party who is in power today.
We will lose 90% of the coral reefs by 2050.That cant be prevented they cant adapt they will die ,its not being dramatic,its what expected to happen.Over the last 30 years how much forest did we lose how many species.Last year alone we lost 39 million acres of tropical forest globally.It wont be growing back this century.The planet is fucked and no amount of recycling will prevent this.The changes required are so monumental no politician would do it.No person in the west wants their lifestyle altered to prevent a disaster that comes about at the end of the century.Its not nilhism or being negative.Its the reality the scientific community says is happening and will happen.Although as we are in the post truth age, so lets tell the people to recycle and pay for plastic bags at tesco it will all be ok...
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By *umpkinMan
over a year ago
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"The single biggest environmental contributor is animal agriculture. Reducing / removing animal flesh and products from your diet is the biggest impact you can make
Like a lot of subjects, there`s an awful lot of false or selective information about this. There is much of the eco system that relies on the by-products of animal agriculture and figures are now emerging that rice production is far more damaging to the environment that animal agriculture due to the methane produced/released during the making of the paddy fields.
You go through 7 times the amount of plants to get meat on your plate than if you ate it direct so again by cutting meat you’re reducing that factor by 7."
But cut out the meat and you remove the chance of life to millions of species that rely of animal waste to survive. You can`t have it all ways! Creepy crawlies and microscopic organisms have rights too! And the planet needs them as much as it needs bees, insects, plants, grass and all of these cannot survive with animal by-products. It`s a vicious circle! Cut one out and the rest collapse. |
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"The single biggest environmental contributor is animal agriculture. Reducing / removing animal flesh and products from your diet is the biggest impact you can make
Like a lot of subjects, there`s an awful lot of false or selective information about this. There is much of the eco system that relies on the by-products of animal agriculture and figures are now emerging that rice production is far more damaging to the environment that animal agriculture due to the methane produced/released during the making of the paddy fields.
You go through 7 times the amount of plants to get meat on your plate than if you ate it direct so again by cutting meat you’re reducing that factor by 7.
But cut out the meat and you remove the chance of life to millions of species that rely of animal waste to survive. You can`t have it all ways! Creepy crawlies and microscopic organisms have rights too! And the planet needs them as much as it needs bees, insects, plants, grass and all of these cannot survive with animal by-products. It`s a vicious circle! Cut one out and the rest collapse."
Yeah no, they'll survive if we reduce intensive animal husbandry down by a significant percent.
We really could take a leaf from the Japanese and have more plat based proteins in our diet. |
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30 years ago the warnings were there but the major industrial nations were in denial due to ££££££ , - today we unbelievably not only have people still in denial, but also people who'd rather do nothing because "it's too late."
Other countries actually began to change their practices 30 years ago - but there still were the odd (very) naysayers.
I just find it laughable that some of the comments above actually come from 2018, - what the hell went wrong? |
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