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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ " This. This bit makes my heart happy. | |||
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"I don’t know about genius but I do certainly think he’s the best England manager we’ve had for a while. He’s done things that many previous managers haven’t been able to do; foster a sense of squad togetherness, play people to their strengths, put the team first, creatively solved areas of weakness, instill passion and pride in playing for the shirt. I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ " This. I really don't know why previous managers, the ones with all the domestic, European and international experience couldn't do this. Guys with that level of managerial experience, at the highest level were unable to do what Southgate has done. Personally I thought he was seen as someone to do the job until the right manager came along, I dont think he was ever seen as the long term solution. Just goes to show the blazers at the FA know, well, FA. I wasnt sold on him as a manager when he was given the job. Now, hes clearly the right man for the job. Happy to revise my opinion. The more I see and listen to him, the better I think he is. | |||
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"I don’t know about genius but I do certainly think he’s the best England manager we’ve had for a while. He’s done things that many previous managers haven’t been able to do; foster a sense of squad togetherness, play people to their strengths, put the team first, creatively solved areas of weakness, instill passion and pride in playing for the shirt. " Agree with this. I think people are getting carried away with how good the team is. I only count one truly world class player in the England team. Let's be honest, who would make the Real Madrid or Barcelona starting line up other than Harry Kane? I think Southgate has done a good job with the players he's got. Reach the semis and it becomes a great job. | |||
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"I don’t know about genius but I do certainly think he’s the best England manager we’ve had for a while. He’s done things that many previous managers haven’t been able to do; foster a sense of squad togetherness, play people to their strengths, put the team first, creatively solved areas of weakness, instill passion and pride in playing for the shirt. Agree with this. I think people are getting carried away with how good the team is. I only count one truly world class player in the England team. Let's be honest, who would make the Real Madrid or Barcelona starting line up other than Harry Kane? I think Southgate has done a good job with the players he's got. Reach the semis and it becomes a great job. " Agreed. I listened to how many times the commentator said Sterling last night. It wasn't many......... I think Sterling is Southgates Achilles heel. | |||
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"I’m guessing you guys are seeing something I’m not :S We’ve narrowly beat Tunisia, Basically beat a Sunday league side who still managed to score against us... and got almost got put out due to giving Hendo a penalty (Henderson’s penatly ratio is shite!) I hardly saw much in that game yesterday that proved we could go head to head against any half decent team... teams like Belgium,Brazil and France possibly even Russia could destroy our defence with how they’ve played." Sport is a lot like sex, you don't want to peak too soon. Unlike sex, if you do peak too soon, you dont get a rest and go again. Although I have heard that some players get pulled off at half time.  | |||
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"I saw Kyle Walker make his senior debut at a cup tie playing for Sheffield United at orient as a nineteen year old in 2009. He didn't seem anything special. Ditto Harry Maguire. I watched him lumbering around the third division for three years. Good at that level but no way international class. They're both nice Sheffield lads. I am very pleased for them. " Maguire ran that town last night, my man of the match | |||
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"I don’t know about genius but I do certainly think he’s the best England manager we’ve had for a while. He’s done things that many previous managers haven’t been able to do; foster a sense of squad togetherness, play people to their strengths, put the team first, creatively solved areas of weakness, instill passion and pride in playing for the shirt. Agree with this. I think people are getting carried away with how good the team is. I only count one truly world class player in the England team. Let's be honest, who would make the Real Madrid or Barcelona starting line up other than Harry Kane? I think Southgate has done a good job with the players he's got. Reach the semis and it becomes a great job. Agreed. I listened to how many times the commentator said Sterling last night. It wasn't many......... I think Sterling is Southgates Achilles heel." As GlosSwingers said, did you notice Dele Alli was on the pitch before he got injured? | |||
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"I’m guessing you guys are seeing something I’m not :S We’ve narrowly beat Tunisia, Basically beat a Sunday league side who still managed to score against us... and got almost got put out due to giving Hendo a penalty (Henderson’s penatly ratio is shite!) I hardly saw much in that game yesterday that proved we could go head to head against any half decent team... teams like Belgium,Brazil and France possibly even Russia could destroy our defence with how they’ve played." All that may be true, but England have to beat distinctly average Sweden followed by distinctly average Russia or Croatia to get to the final. In which case Southgate would officially become God. | |||
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"I saw Kyle Walker make his senior debut at a cup tie playing for Sheffield United at orient as a nineteen year old in 2009. He didn't seem anything special. Ditto Harry Maguire. I watched him lumbering around the third division for three years. Good at that level but no way international class. They're both nice Sheffield lads. I am very pleased for them. Maguire ran that town last night, my man of the match" An immense performance | |||
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"I saw Kyle Walker make his senior debut at a cup tie playing for Sheffield United at orient as a nineteen year old in 2009. He didn't seem anything special. Ditto Harry Maguire. I watched him lumbering around the third division for three years. Good at that level but no way international class. They're both nice Sheffield lads. I am very pleased for them. Maguire ran that town last night, my man of the match" As I say he looked merely an above average lower league defender when he played for United. We flogged him to Hull in 2014 and he couldn't get in their team for a while. His progress in the last couple of years has been astonishing. | |||
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"I saw Kyle Walker make his senior debut at a cup tie playing for Sheffield United at orient as a nineteen year old in 2009. He didn't seem anything special. Ditto Harry Maguire. I watched him lumbering around the third division for three years. Good at that level but no way international class. They're both nice Sheffield lads. I am very pleased for them. Maguire ran that town last night, my man of the match As I say he looked merely an above average lower league defender when he played for United. We flogged him to Hull in 2014 and he couldn't get in their team for a while. His progress in the last couple of years has been astonishing. " One could say the same about vardy. Salah didn't catch fire until he joined Liverpool. | |||
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"I don’t know about genius but I do certainly think he’s the best England manager we’ve had for a while. He’s done things that many previous managers haven’t been able to do; foster a sense of squad togetherness, play people to their strengths, put the team first, creatively solved areas of weakness, instill passion and pride in playing for the shirt. Agree with this. I think people are getting carried away with how good the team is. I only count one truly world class player in the England team. Let's be honest, who would make the Real Madrid or Barcelona starting line up other than Harry Kane? I think Southgate has done a good job with the players he's got. Reach the semis and it becomes a great job. Agreed. I listened to how many times the commentator said Sterling last night. It wasn't many......... I think Sterling is Southgates Achilles heel. As GlosSwingers said, did you notice Dele Alli was on the pitch before he got injured? " He's another one who just doesnt shine in an England shirt.... Spot on with your Harry Maguire comment. I thought he was outstanding last night. I remember watching him play for Hull a few seasons back and thinking "blimey, hes bloody good". I wish my team had bought him.  | |||
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"I don’t know about genius but I do certainly think he’s the best England manager we’ve had for a while. He’s done things that many previous managers haven’t been able to do; foster a sense of squad togetherness, play people to their strengths, put the team first, creatively solved areas of weakness, instill passion and pride in playing for the shirt. Agree with this. I think people are getting carried away with how good the team is. I only count one truly world class player in the England team. Let's be honest, who would make the Real Madrid or Barcelona starting line up other than Harry Kane? I think Southgate has done a good job with the players he's got. Reach the semis and it becomes a great job. Agreed. I listened to how many times the commentator said Sterling last night. It wasn't many......... I think Sterling is Southgates Achilles heel. As GlosSwingers said, did you notice Dele Alli was on the pitch before he got injured? He's another one who just doesnt shine in an England shirt.... Spot on with your Harry Maguire comment. I thought he was outstanding last night. I remember watching him play for Hull a few seasons back and thinking "blimey, hes bloody good". I wish my team had bought him. "The previous season, I would have said Alli was heading for world class. I even had him in my fantasy football team at the start of this year, but he never lived up to his previous standards. | |||
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"I saw Kyle Walker make his senior debut at a cup tie playing for Sheffield United at orient as a nineteen year old in 2009. He didn't seem anything special. Ditto Harry Maguire. I watched him lumbering around the third division for three years. Good at that level but no way international class. They're both nice Sheffield lads. I am very pleased for them. Maguire ran that town last night, my man of the match As I say he looked merely an above average lower league defender when he played for United. We flogged him to Hull in 2014 and he couldn't get in their team for a while. His progress in the last couple of years has been astonishing. One could say the same about vardy. Salah didn't catch fire until he joined Liverpool. " Vardys another Sheffield lad He failed to make it at Wednesday. (spit), played for local non leaugers Stocksbridge and then moved to Fleetwood.
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"I don’t know about genius but I do certainly think he’s the best England manager we’ve had for a while. He’s done things that many previous managers haven’t been able to do; foster a sense of squad togetherness, play people to their strengths, put the team first, creatively solved areas of weakness, instill passion and pride in playing for the shirt. Agree with this. I think people are getting carried away with how good the team is. I only count one truly world class player in the England team. Let's be honest, who would make the Real Madrid or Barcelona starting line up other than Harry Kane? I think Southgate has done a good job with the players he's got. Reach the semis and it becomes a great job. Agreed. I listened to how many times the commentator said Sterling last night. It wasn't many......... I think Sterling is Southgates Achilles heel. As GlosSwingers said, did you notice Dele Alli was on the pitch before he got injured? He's another one who just doesnt shine in an England shirt.... Spot on with your Harry Maguire comment. I thought he was outstanding last night. I remember watching him play for Hull a few seasons back and thinking "blimey, hes bloody good". I wish my team had bought him. "Maguire is massive, but as is sometimes the case with big blokes used to be a bit slow and prone to fall over his feet. And this was in the third tier. Whoever coached him at Hull deserves a medal. | |||
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"Ye haven't played a decent team yet and when ye did ye were happy to lose so ye didn't have to play against the better quality sides. Ye beat Panama but so would me and my mates. Beat Tunisia in the last minute and beat Colombia without their star man on pens. England just haven't faced quality yet. " We didn't lost to Belgium  | |||
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"Ye haven't played a decent team yet and when ye did ye were happy to lose so ye didn't have to play against the better quality sides. Ye beat Panama but so would me and my mates. Beat Tunisia in the last minute and beat Colombia without their star man on pens. England just haven't faced quality yet. " Yep, it's got all the omens of a semi final / final appearance written over it. Imagine winning when your not at your very best, winning 1-0s, just doing enough. Teams who do this win trophies | |||
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"Ye haven't played a decent team yet and when ye did ye were happy to lose so ye didn't have to play against the better quality sides. Ye beat Panama but so would me and my mates. Beat Tunisia in the last minute and beat Colombia without their star man on pens. England just haven't faced quality yet. We didn't lost to Belgium "Yes ye did. | |||
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"I’m guessing you guys are seeing something I’m not :S We’ve narrowly beat Tunisia, Basically beat a Sunday league side who still managed to score against us... and got almost got put out due to giving Hendo a penalty (Henderson’s penatly ratio is shite!) I hardly saw much in that game yesterday that proved we could go head to head against any half decent team... teams like Belgium,Brazil and France possibly even Russia could destroy our defence with how they’ve played. All that may be true, but England have to beat distinctly average Sweden followed by distinctly average Russia or Croatia to get to the final. In which case Southgate would officially become God. " Russia have been far from Average (they didn’t play amazing against Spain, but they’ve looked alright for a team no one second glanced! And Croatia and in the same boat as England for me... they literally show class every now and then... But fingers crossed aye ?? | |||
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"I like him, do you? I reckon he have found the perfect formula and as well for the first time they won a penalty shot out, good chance to win the world cup "Cons Trying to defend a one nil lead when england were on a high. His substitutions killed Englands rhythm at a point England started getting pressured. He then couldn't give any other encouragement apart from telling the players to calm down. Pros He trust his players blindly Tactically aware that the good teams have good wingers. So formation when not tampered by putting an extra defensive midfielder there by allowing opposition to attack down the wings. Genious | |||
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"The other thing with England 2018 is all those guys who stand next to Southgate in grey tops. Plus the ones that don't. Look at the bench when Gazza was crying all those years ago. manager, assistant, gk coach, physio and doctor. England have everything going at their disposal these days. The investment is huge, St Georges Park and the sciences behind it. As a sports coach these days you don't just coach. You have to almost be a psychologist at times. I'm talking amateur sport and even lower league football. Southgate probably has a team in place for that as well. Danny Rose I imagine is in very close contact with them." Thankfully no Eileen Drewery......  | |||
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"Ye haven't played a decent team yet and when ye did ye were happy to lose so ye didn't have to play against the better quality sides. Ye beat Panama but so would me and my mates. Beat Tunisia in the last minute and beat Colombia without their star man on pens. England just haven't faced quality yet. We didn't lost to Belgium
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"The other thing with England 2018 is all those guys who stand next to Southgate in grey tops. Plus the ones that don't. Look at the bench when Gazza was crying all those years ago. manager, assistant, gk coach, physio and doctor. England have everything going at their disposal these days. The investment is huge, St Georges Park and the sciences behind it. As a sports coach these days you don't just coach. You have to almost be a psychologist at times. I'm talking amateur sport and even lower league football. Southgate probably has a team in place for that as well. Danny Rose I imagine is in very close contact with them." You say that, but for all their talk, the players were raving about circadian rhythm a year ago like they'd just heard of it. I very much doubt the England team has an optimal sleep programme nailed down if that's the case. | |||
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"Ye haven't played a decent team yet and when ye did ye were happy to lose so ye didn't have to play against the better quality sides. Ye beat Panama but so would me and my mates. Beat Tunisia in the last minute and beat Colombia without their star man on pens. England just haven't faced quality yet. We didn't lost to Belgium
Yes ye did.
We got exactly the result we wanted. "I said ye were happy to lose cause ye didn't want to play better teams which is fair enough but even my countries anti football would have got to where ye are right now if we were to replace ye and we're crap. Ye definitely gave a semi final place because Sweden aren't up to much either. | |||
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"Ye haven't played a decent team yet and when ye did ye were happy to lose so ye didn't have to play against the better quality sides. Ye beat Panama but so would me and my mates. Beat Tunisia in the last minute and beat Colombia without their star man on pens. England just haven't faced quality yet. We didn't lost to Belgium
Yes ye did.
We got exactly the result we wanted.
I said ye were happy to lose cause ye didn't want to play better teams which is fair enough but even my countries anti football would have got to where ye are right now if we were to replace ye and we're crap. Ye definitely gave a semi final place because Sweden aren't up to much either. "I'm just saying that Rashford doesn't miss like then when Jose is watching. | |||
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"Ye haven't played a decent team yet and when ye did ye were happy to lose so ye didn't have to play against the better quality sides. Ye beat Panama but so would me and my mates. Beat Tunisia in the last minute and beat Colombia without their star man on pens. England just haven't faced quality yet. Yep, it's got all the omens of a semi final / final appearance written over it. Imagine winning when your not at your very best, winning 1-0s, just doing enough. Teams who do this win trophies" Yep! Portugal at the euros... I said a while ago that the end result will always justify the journey. Put in a good performance against Sweden and we’re peaking at the right time. Hindsight is a wonderful filter | |||
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"Do you know what I find refreshing about it him. He's still Gareth Southgate, I mean he's not had his nose done or his teeth done, no iPad watch, no fancy fucking Bluetooth speakers dangling out of his ears every other minute. " But those waistcoats... | |||
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"I don’t know about genius but I do certainly think he’s the best England manager we’ve had for a while. He’s done things that many previous managers haven’t been able to do; foster a sense of squad togetherness, play people to their strengths, put the team first, creatively solved areas of weakness, instill passion and pride in playing for the shirt. Agree with this. I think people are getting carried away with how good the team is. I only count one truly world class player in the England team. Let's be honest, who would make the Real Madrid or Barcelona starting line up other than Harry Kane? I think Southgate has done a good job with the players he's got. Reach the semis and it becomes a great job. Agreed. I listened to how many times the commentator said Sterling last night. It wasn't many......... I think Sterling is Southgates Achilles heel. As GlosSwingers said, did you notice Dele Alli was on the pitch before he got injured? He's another one who just doesnt shine in an England shirt.... Spot on with your Harry Maguire comment. I thought he was outstanding last night. I remember watching him play for Hull a few seasons back and thinking "blimey, hes bloody good". I wish my team had bought him.
Maguire is massive, but as is sometimes the case with big blokes used to be a bit slow and prone to fall over his feet. And this was in the third tier.
Whoever coached him at Hull deserves a medal. "Definitely a medal needed there. I'm expecting to see big bids being tabled for Maguire in the very near future if he keeps this up. | |||
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"Do you know what I find refreshing about it him. He's still Gareth Southgate, I mean he's not had his nose done or his teeth done, no iPad watch, no fancy fucking Bluetooth speakers dangling out of his ears every other minute. " Hope he doesn't still think its OK to make light and cash in on his getting england knocked out of a major tournament | |||
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"Ye haven't played a decent team yet and when ye did ye were happy to lose so ye didn't have to play against the better quality sides. Ye beat Panama but so would me and my mates. Beat Tunisia in the last minute and beat Colombia without their star man on pens. England just haven't faced quality yet. Yep, it's got all the omens of a semi final / final appearance written over it. Imagine winning when your not at your very best, winning 1-0s, just doing enough. Teams who do this win trophies Yep! Portugal at the euros... I said a while ago that the end result will always justify the journey. Put in a good performance against Sweden and we’re peaking at the right time. Hindsight is a wonderful filter" We've seen it with France in the past and Brazil. Doing enough to get through without everyone talking about them. Greece were similar, Portugal drew every game till they played us. Real Madrid have a habit of doing this in the champions league. Have to win the last game in the group stages. By the time the final comes you just know they will win it with magical moments. I kind of get the feeling a few of the other teams left in this WC are also currently doing this as well as England. But at least they are still there. I hope they are underdogs if they get through on Saturday. That should suit them. Sweden are underdogs on Saturday | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. " He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp | |||
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"Can anyone explain how he got the job in the first place? Got boro relegated. Finished bottom of their group with a fairly talented team of youths A genius in kissing the presses arse maybe" Success with the U21s and was English. Having had failed attempts with a Swede and an Italian | |||
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"Can anyone explain how he got the job in the first place? Got boro relegated. Finished bottom of their group with a fairly talented team of youths A genius in kissing the presses arse maybe Success with the U21s and was English. Having had failed attempts with a Swede and an Italian" Alternatively, look at the track record of all the previous managers that were first choice picks... | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp" The coaching courses I used to go on had attendees from a wide variety of sports, never just one field. The open sessions and breaks were fascinating. I frequently learnt more in those moments than on the actual course.... | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp The coaching courses I used to go on had attendees from a wide variety of sports, never just one field. The open sessions and breaks were fascinating. I frequently learnt more in those moments than on the actual course.... " Sounds like you're as qualified as southgate Should be an opening there very soon | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp The coaching courses I used to go on had attendees from a wide variety of sports, never just one field. The open sessions and breaks were fascinating. I frequently learnt more in those moments than on the actual course.... Sounds like you're as qualified as southgate Should be an opening there very soon " | |||
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"I don’t know about genius but I do certainly think he’s the best England manager we’ve had for a while. He’s done things that many previous managers haven’t been able to do; foster a sense of squad togetherness, play people to their strengths, put the team first, creatively solved areas of weakness, instill passion and pride in playing for the shirt. Agree with this. I think people are getting carried away with how good the team is. I only count one truly world class player in the England team. Let's be honest, who would make the Real Madrid or Barcelona starting line up other than Harry Kane? I think Southgate has done a good job with the players he's got. Reach the semis and it becomes a great job. Agreed. I listened to how many times the commentator said Sterling last night. It wasn't many......... I think Sterling is Southgates Achilles heel. As GlosSwingers said, did you notice Dele Alli was on the pitch before he got injured? He's another one who just doesnt shine in an England shirt.... Spot on with your Harry Maguire comment. I thought he was outstanding last night. I remember watching him play for Hull a few seasons back and thinking "blimey, hes bloody good". I wish my team had bought him.
Maguire is massive, but as is sometimes the case with big blokes used to be a bit slow and prone to fall over his feet. And this was in the third tier.
Whoever coached him at Hull deserves a medal.
Definitely a medal needed there.
I'm expecting to see big bids being tabled for Maguire in the very near future if he keeps this up."The one thing Hull did right was to give Maguire a chance and he took it. He’s a really nice guy too which can’t be said for a lot of them (my daughter was ball girl for Hull for a couple of seasons and he always acknowledged her even if he saw her away from the stadium) | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp The coaching courses I used to go on had attendees from a wide variety of sports, never just one field. The open sessions and breaks were fascinating. I frequently learnt more in those moments than on the actual course.... Sounds like you're as qualified as southgate Should be an opening there very soon "Why you think that? | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp The coaching courses I used to go on had attendees from a wide variety of sports, never just one field. The open sessions and breaks were fascinating. I frequently learnt more in those moments than on the actual course.... Sounds like you're as qualified as southgate Should be an opening there very soon
Why you think that?"South gate retires in a blaze of glory after winning the world cup with such beautiful free flowing football and humiliating France in the final. Obviously | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp The coaching courses I used to go on had attendees from a wide variety of sports, never just one field. The open sessions and breaks were fascinating. I frequently learnt more in those moments than on the actual course.... Sounds like you're as qualified as southgate Should be an opening there very soon
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"Do you know what I find refreshing about it him. He's still Gareth Southgate, I mean he's not had his nose done or his teeth done, no iPad watch, no fancy fucking Bluetooth speakers dangling out of his ears every other minute. But those waistcoats..." . Smart/casual , what a combo | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp The coaching courses I used to go on had attendees from a wide variety of sports, never just one field. The open sessions and breaks were fascinating. I frequently learnt more in those moments than on the actual course.... Sounds like you're as qualified as southgate Should be an opening there very soon
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South gate retires in a blaze of glory after winning the world cup with such beautiful free flowing football and humiliating France in the final. Obviously"I've had money on England reaching the semi's since April, if they meet Russia then the final could be realistic. I think he needs another 4 years to build and develop the coaching staff and bringing it to England could happen. I'm a Welshman by the way and the last time I got behind England was 1990 | |||
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"Also, too many Spurs players in team for my liking- they are serial losers. Come on England!" Arguably, Kane and Trippier have been two of the best performers so far for England in this WC. Three of the penalties scored last night were from Spurs players - today they are winners
I must admit that when Southgate was first appointed as manager I wasn't overly enthusiastic about it but he's definitely won me round. I imagined Big Sam just turned up to training with bacon butties for the lads, but I get the sense with Southgate that everything is meticulously planned and the team ethos and positive thinking has been transferred to the players. He's worked on drilling into the players that what has happened before does not have to happen in the future and the players are free to write their own history, and I think last night proves that it's working. You can argue that we should have rolled over Colombia, but this is a very young team and faced with the tactics shown by Colombia last night it wasn't a 'normal' game, and thought we did really well to overcome them by having that never say die attitude. Sweden will be more of a normal game I think with two teams wanting to play football, and we'll learn a lot more about how good we really are than we did last night. I don't think we will win the WC but we have a great chance to reach the semi or final within our grasp.
I saw the interview last night where he was asked the question whether this has made up for his penalty miss in Euro '96 and he said that nothing will ever make up for it - but I like to think that by overseeing what happened last night his name will be more associated with glory rather than failure. He deserves it as he's obviously a driven, thinking man with a real will to win and to top it off seems like a genuinely nice guy as well.
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"I’m guessing you guys are seeing something I’m not :S We’ve narrowly beat Tunisia, Basically beat a Sunday league side who still managed to score against us... and got almost got put out due to giving Hendo a penalty (Henderson’s penatly ratio is shite!) I hardly saw much in that game yesterday that proved we could go head to head against any half decent team... teams like Belgium,Brazil and France possibly even Russia could destroy our defence with how they’ve played." Not just me then! | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp The coaching courses I used to go on had attendees from a wide variety of sports, never just one field. The open sessions and breaks were fascinating. I frequently learnt more in those moments than on the actual course.... Sounds like you're as qualified as southgate Should be an opening there very soon
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South gate retires in a blaze of glory after winning the world cup with such beautiful free flowing football and humiliating France in the final. Obviously
I've had money on England reaching the semi's since April, if they meet Russia then the final could be realistic. I think he needs another 4 years to build and develop the coaching staff and bringing it to England could happen. I'm a Welshman by the way and the last time I got behind England was 1990"I think they need a world class midfielder before we can lift the cup | |||
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"I think you could give us 3 or 4 world class players and our team would still be worse than belgiums on paper " Fortunately it's won on grass. | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp The coaching courses I used to go on had attendees from a wide variety of sports, never just one field. The open sessions and breaks were fascinating. I frequently learnt more in those moments than on the actual course.... Sounds like you're as qualified as southgate Should be an opening there very soon
Why you think that?
South gate retires in a blaze of glory after winning the world cup with such beautiful free flowing football and humiliating France in the final. Obviously
I've had money on England reaching the semi's since April, if they meet Russia then the final could be realistic. I think he needs another 4 years to build and develop the coaching staff and bringing it to England could happen. I'm a Welshman by the way and the last time I got behind England was 1990
I think they need a world class midfielder before we can lift the cup "Agreed. It's the area we seem lightest. Another world class forward to support or play alongside Kane. If we lose him to injury I think we'll struggle. | |||
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"I like him, do you?" Shag I know you might not be completely au fait with English naming customs but you've forgotten to add the maternal surname, it's Gareth Southgate Badger. | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp The coaching courses I used to go on had attendees from a wide variety of sports, never just one field. The open sessions and breaks were fascinating. I frequently learnt more in those moments than on the actual course.... Sounds like you're as qualified as southgate Should be an opening there very soon
Why you think that?
South gate retires in a blaze of glory after winning the world cup with such beautiful free flowing football and humiliating France in the final. Obviously
I've had money on England reaching the semi's since April, if they meet Russia then the final could be realistic. I think he needs another 4 years to build and develop the coaching staff and bringing it to England could happen. I'm a Welshman by the way and the last time I got behind England was 1990
I think they need a world class midfielder before we can lift the cup
Agreed. It's the area we seem lightest. Another world class forward to support or play alongside Kane. If we lose him to injury I think we'll struggle. "Almost any team could win it if you gave the another world class forward and midfielder. In fairness You have a clear enough path to France in the final and anything can happen in a final ENG V FRANCE world cup final That looks nice written up there doesn't it
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. " | |||
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"Agreed. It's the area we seem lightest. Another world class forward to support or play alongside Kane. If we lose him to injury I think we'll struggle. " Absolutely. Nothing i have watched yet says we will win this unless Kane is playing, Other teams will know this as well and will do there best best to put him off the field. | |||
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"Southgate has worked around the world to improve his coaching skills and worked closely with the British Olympic Squad and British Cycling on sports psychology; which is why we have seen the massive improvement in performance (and why we won on the penalty shoot out. England are a young squad so their performance should continue to improve. Just imagine how badly we would have performed if we still had the 20th century menatality that someone like Big Sam brought with him. He's one of the few football managers that seems to realise he can learn stuff from other sports. He could give some tips to Jurgen Klopp The coaching courses I used to go on had attendees from a wide variety of sports, never just one field. The open sessions and breaks were fascinating. I frequently learnt more in those moments than on the actual course.... Sounds like you're as qualified as southgate Should be an opening there very soon
Why you think that?
South gate retires in a blaze of glory after winning the world cup with such beautiful free flowing football and humiliating France in the final. Obviously
I've had money on England reaching the semi's since April, if they meet Russia then the final could be realistic. I think he needs another 4 years to build and develop the coaching staff and bringing it to England could happen. I'm a Welshman by the way and the last time I got behind England was 1990
I think they need a world class midfielder before we can lift the cup
Agreed. It's the area we seem lightest. Another world class forward to support or play alongside Kane. If we lose him to injury I think we'll struggle. "Liverpool were shit without salah, but they are good enough to get to the Champions League final with him. Few teams could really do anything without their top player. Argentina without Messi are nothing. | |||
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. "I don't really think he was ever 'that guy'. People are quick to forget that in that game, England managed a whopping 2 shots in the 120 minutes before the shootout. If you expect to win games off the back of 2 shots then it aint your penalty takers that are the problem! | |||
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"I’m guessing you guys are seeing something I’m not :S We’ve narrowly beat Tunisia, Basically beat a Sunday league side who still managed to score against us... and got almost got put out due to giving Hendo a penalty (Henderson’s penatly ratio is shite!) I hardly saw much in that game yesterday that proved we could go head to head against any half decent team... teams like Belgium,Brazil and France possibly even Russia could destroy our defence with how they’ve played. Not just me then! " There seems be a few having similar thoughts. I'm delighted we're through, but we didn't manage a shot on target from open play last night and that is a massive worry to me. As is that as soon as Columbia went 1-0 down they decided to play and were the better team for the rest of the match. I've heard and read loads saying good team win matches when they don't play well, true. We did do that we drew and then won a lottery at the end. I hope I'm wrong, but we need to be alot better to get passed Sweden as they won't gift us a penalty. | |||
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"I think you could give us 3 or 4 world class players and our team would still be worse than belgiums on paper " Well yeah, considering Belgium dont have 3 or 4 in the 1st place. | |||
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"I’m guessing you guys are seeing something I’m not :S We’ve narrowly beat Tunisia, Basically beat a Sunday league side who still managed to score against us... and got almost got put out due to giving Hendo a penalty (Henderson’s penatly ratio is shite!) I hardly saw much in that game yesterday that proved we could go head to head against any half decent team... teams like Belgium,Brazil and France possibly even Russia could destroy our defence with how they’ve played. Not just me then! There seems be a few having similar thoughts. I'm delighted we're through, but we didn't manage a shot on target from open play last night and that is a massive worry to me. As is that as soon as Columbia went 1-0 down they decided to play and were the better team for the rest of the match. I've heard and read loads saying good team win matches when they don't play well, true. We did do that we drew and then won a lottery at the end. I hope I'm wrong, but we need to be alot better to get passed Sweden as they won't gift us a penalty. " It's not our strategy to play free flowing football and score from open play after a beautiful set of passes. | |||
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"I’m guessing you guys are seeing something I’m not :S We’ve narrowly beat Tunisia, Basically beat a Sunday league side who still managed to score against us... and got almost got put out due to giving Hendo a penalty (Henderson’s penatly ratio is shite!) I hardly saw much in that game yesterday that proved we could go head to head against any half decent team... teams like Belgium,Brazil and France possibly even Russia could destroy our defence with how they’ve played. All that may be true, but England have to beat distinctly average Sweden followed by distinctly average Russia or Croatia to get to the final. In which case Southgate would officially become God. " | |||
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"Trying not to get too excited as we have been let down so many times and we didn’t create much against Colombia. Also, too many Spurs players in team for my liking- they are serial losers. Come on England!" Out of the six penalties taken by England players yesterday, 3 were taken by Spurs players. 1 of whom had never taken a penalty before. All three scored. Really sounds like a bunch of serial losers  | |||
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"I’m guessing you guys are seeing something I’m not :S We’ve narrowly beat Tunisia, Basically beat a Sunday league side who still managed to score against us... and got almost got put out due to giving Hendo a penalty (Henderson’s penatly ratio is shite!) I hardly saw much in that game yesterday that proved we could go head to head against any half decent team... teams like Belgium,Brazil and France possibly even Russia could destroy our defence with how they’ve played. Not just me then! There seems be a few having similar thoughts. I'm delighted we're through, but we didn't manage a shot on target from open play last night and that is a massive worry to me. As is that as soon as Columbia went 1-0 down they decided to play and were the better team for the rest of the match. I've heard and read loads saying good team win matches when they don't play well, true. We did do that we drew and then won a lottery at the end. I hope I'm wrong, but we need to be alot better to get passed Sweden as they won't gift us a penalty. It's not our strategy to play free flowing football and score from open play after a beautiful set of passes. " Who mentioned free flowing football or beautiful passes?? You dont have to make loads of passes before shooting on target. Is our strategy is to play for a penalty and Do you not see zero shots on target from open play as a problem? And it's not like we're even solid defensively as we're the only team left in it yet to keep a clean sheet. | |||
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"Belgium, France and Brazil are all in the other half, which means we can only play at worst one of them in the final should we get that far. I think that’s why everyone is getting excited. Yes we ain’t that good, can’t defend, ain’t brilliant at keeping the ball against a high press and set pieces aside seem to struggle putting the ball away, but we’ve played pretty well and have by far exceeded my expectations already. Sweden are decent but are not world beaters and if we beat them, which you would fancy, then we are in a World Cup semi final against either a team we are better than or a team we beat the last time we played them. As a bloke who doesn’t rate the majority of our players very highly this is a very exciting time. We could make a World Cup final (could not should) and that’s something I never thought I’d see in my lifetime. I’m very excited and don’t care if we are not the best team in the world, come on England!!!" This! I’m off to Moscow for the final and I would love to see an England Vs Brazil final. | |||
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"Love Southgate and our boys. Good luck for Saturday!" This is the sort of message I should be reading more of | |||
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"I’m guessing you guys are seeing something I’m not :S We’ve narrowly beat Tunisia, Basically beat a Sunday league side who still managed to score against us... and got almost got put out due to giving Hendo a penalty (Henderson’s penatly ratio is shite!) I hardly saw much in that game yesterday that proved we could go head to head against any half decent team... teams like Belgium,Brazil and France possibly even Russia could destroy our defence with how they’ve played. Not just me then! There seems be a few having similar thoughts. I'm delighted we're through, but we didn't manage a shot on target from open play last night and that is a massive worry to me. As is that as soon as Columbia went 1-0 down they decided to play and were the better team for the rest of the match. I've heard and read loads saying good team win matches when they don't play well, true. We did do that we drew and then won a lottery at the end. I hope I'm wrong, but we need to be alot better to get passed Sweden as they won't gift us a penalty. It's not our strategy to play free flowing football and score from open play after a beautiful set of passes. Who mentioned free flowing football or beautiful passes?? You dont have to make loads of passes before shooting on target. Is our strategy is to play for a penalty and Do you not see zero shots on target from open play as a problem? And it's not like we're even solid defensively as we're the only team left in it yet to keep a clean sheet." We had 16 shots in total, admittedly only 2 of them hit the target. Our strategy is to pass the ball around aimlessly until someone fouls us and then score from a set piece. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. " Yeah but the Japanese pick up their rubbish and left a thank you letter in the changing room, in Russian. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. " Because he knows exactly what that’s like. Didn’t a Columbian player get shot for something similar a few years ago? I digress, that grace in victory reminds me of Flintoff consoling Brett Lee in the Ashes victory. To me that’s true dignity and respect. | |||
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"I like him, do you? I reckon he have found the perfect formula and as well for the first time they won a penalty shot out, good chance to win the world cup
Cons
Trying to defend a one nil lead when england were on a high.
His substitutions killed Englands rhythm at a point England started getting pressured.
He then couldn't give any other encouragement apart from telling the players to calm down.
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He trust his players blindly
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"Love Southgate and our boys. Good luck for Saturday! This is the sort of message I should be reading more of" At the end of the day, it's the world cup and as with any international game, they are very unpredictable. Let's hope we can get a decent referee who is unbiased | |||
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"I like him, do you? I reckon he have found the perfect formula and as well for the first time they won a penalty shot out, good chance to win the world cup
Cons
Trying to defend a one nil lead when england were on a high.
Sorry. But obviously you have never kicked a football in your life mate.
His substitutions killed Englands rhythm at a point England started getting pressured.
He then couldn't give any other encouragement apart from telling the players to calm down.
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. Yeah but the Japanese pick up their rubbish and left a thank you letter in the changing room, in Russian. " That wouldn't actually surprise me.
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. " English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise | |||
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"I don’t know about genius but I do certainly think he’s the best England manager we’ve had for a while. He’s done things that many previous managers haven’t been able to do; foster a sense of squad togetherness, play people to their strengths, put the team first, creatively solved areas of weakness, instill passion and pride in playing for the shirt. Agree with this. I think people are getting carried away with how good the team is. I only count one truly world class player in the England team. Let's be honest, who would make the Real Madrid or Barcelona starting line up other than Harry Kane? I think Southgate has done a good job with the players he's got. Reach the semis and it becomes a great job. Agreed. I listened to how many times the commentator said Sterling last night. It wasn't many......... I think Sterling is Southgates Achilles heel." Sterling is the player who didn't fancy playing for England some time back .playing for your country is supposed to be an honour .after that debacle with him I would never ever have picked him again. Good player or not | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise " You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done. "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise. "Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write. *appreciate's the irony | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done. "Or to put it a different way maybe Gareth Southgate consoled the Columbia player who missed the penalty because he happens to be a very decent human being regardless of what nationality he is? ‘National trait’ talk is lazy generalizing and feeds into jingoism. And we all know what jingoism leads to..... | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Or to put it a different way maybe Gareth Southgate consoled the Columbia player who missed the penalty because he happens to be a very decent human being regardless of what nationality he is? ‘National trait’ talk is lazy generalizing and feeds into jingoism. And we all know what jingoism leads to..... "I'd go as far as to say he consoled the columbian because he is a decent human being. No maybe about it. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
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"‘After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England’ Did you really?????? Ummmmm No I think youwill find you generalized what Gareth Southgate did based on nationality just there my friend " Okay. Let it go now dude | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
You typed it and that’s why I replied to it. I can only work out what you are thinking based on what you type. "I didn't type this though did I; "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise." Them's your words, not mine. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
You typed it and that’s why I replied to it. I can only work out what you are thinking based on what you type.
I didn't type this though did I; "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise."
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"I don’t know about genius but I do certainly think he’s the best England manager we’ve had for a while. He’s done things that many previous managers haven’t been able to do; foster a sense of squad togetherness, play people to their strengths, put the team first, creatively solved areas of weakness, instill passion and pride in playing for the shirt. I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ " | |||
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. " And mine | |||
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. And mine "Yep I’m delighted for him too, a very decent bloke. | |||
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. And mine
Yep I’m delighted for him too, a very decent bloke. "He needs to stop with those waistcoats though | |||
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. And mine
Yep I’m delighted for him too, a very decent bloke.
He needs to stop with those waistcoats though"They are an epic fail alright. Worse than any shiny shellsuit effort even | |||
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. And mine
Yep I’m delighted for him too, a very decent bloke.
He needs to stop with those waistcoats though"I think he rocks the waistcoat look | |||
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. And mine
Yep I’m delighted for him too, a very decent bloke.
He needs to stop with those waistcoats though
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"I like him, do you? I reckon he have found the perfect formula and as well for the first time they won a penalty shot out, good chance to win the world cup "He has the team playing continental football instead of the boring and predictable English way. The formation and tactics reflect that. | |||
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. And mine
Yep I’m delighted for him too, a very decent bloke.
He needs to stop with those waistcoats though
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. And mine
Yep I’m delighted for him too, a very decent bloke.
He needs to stop with those waistcoats though
They are an epic fail alright. Worse than any shiny shellsuit effort even
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
You typed it and that’s why I replied to it. I can only work out what you are thinking based on what you type.
I didn't type this though did I; "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise."
Them's your words, not mine.
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise " What has this to do with the media, - do you always judge people by their tabloid press, especially as the worst of it is actually Australian owned? And why do you read that shite? You seem lost or hurt ........ or both. | |||
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. And mine
Yep I’m delighted for him too, a very decent bloke.
He needs to stop with those waistcoats though
I think he rocks the waistcoat look "Some of the lads I work with will all be wearing waistcoats Saturday in support of the boss. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise What has this to do with the media, - do you always judge people by their tabloid press, especially as the worst of it is actually Australian owned? And why do you read that shite? You seem lost or hurt ........ or both. " Because the papers sell in the U.K. and therefore have a market there or does that concept go over your head? | |||
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. And mine
Yep I’m delighted for him too, a very decent bloke.
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
You typed it and that’s why I replied to it. I can only work out what you are thinking based on what you type.
I didn't type this though did I; "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise."
Them's your words, not mine.
You’re the one generalizing, I’m merely calling you out on it
You're calling me out on what exactly?
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
You typed it and that’s why I replied to it. I can only work out what you are thinking based on what you type.
I didn't type this though did I; "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise."
Them's your words, not mine.
You’re the one generalizing, I’m merely calling you out on it
You're calling me out on what exactly?
Read it yourself I’m beyond the point of trying to point out that your nationalist generalizations are ill informed and lacking in any form of self awareness"I see. So you actually can't tell me what it is you're calling me out on. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise What has this to do with the media, - do you always judge people by their tabloid press, especially as the worst of it is actually Australian owned? And why do you read that shite? You seem lost or hurt ........ or both. Because the papers sell in the U.K. and therefore have a market there or does that concept go over your head? " by a tiny minority , - obviously too confusing for you. So was I correct about the 'hurt' part? | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
You typed it and that’s why I replied to it. I can only work out what you are thinking based on what you type.
I didn't type this though did I; "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise."
Them's your words, not mine.
You’re the one generalizing, I’m merely calling you out on it
You're calling me out on what exactly?
Read it yourself I’m beyond the point of trying to point out that your nationalist generalizations are ill informed and lacking in any form of self awareness
I see.
So you actually can't tell me what it is you're calling me out on.
"ehhhh generalizations based on nationalism .... explaining this is beginning to feel like I’m playing chess with a gorilla | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
You typed it and that’s why I replied to it. I can only work out what you are thinking based on what you type.
I didn't type this though did I; "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise."
Them's your words, not mine.
You’re the one generalizing, I’m merely calling you out on it
You're calling me out on what exactly?
Read it yourself I’m beyond the point of trying to point out that your nationalist generalizations are ill informed and lacking in any form of self awareness
I see.
So you actually can't tell me what it is you're calling me out on.
ehhhh generalizations based on nationalism .... explaining this is beginning to feel like I’m playing chess with a gorilla"My post, in precis; "I pointed out the lack of sportsmanship shown by others and Southgate's very sporting gesture to the columbian who missed the penalty." There was a distinct lack of sportsmanship shown by others. Southgate's gesture was very sportsmanlike. I'm guessing you don't see it like that. Which is fine. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise What has this to do with the media, - do you always judge people by their tabloid press, especially as the worst of it is actually Australian owned? And why do you read that shite? You seem lost or hurt ........ or both. Because the papers sell in the U.K. and therefore have a market there or does that concept go over your head? by a tiny minority , - obviously too confusing for you. So was I correct about the 'hurt' part? "Tiny minority? Yeah ok that’s why they outsell broadsheets and have influenced UK elections and recent referendums....it’s nora confusing concept at all really.... and why would I be hurt by having an opinion that dares to differ from yours? Patronizing much???? | |||
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"As an aside I'm very tempted to get "I am a genious" tattooed across my chest
The fact that this is the closest I've ever got to wanting a tattoo should tell you something about my sense of humour "Brilliant! I've seen a tattoo that should read beer, women ,football in Chinese characters,but unfortunately it reads rice wine ,ladies, leg ball. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise What has this to do with the media, - do you always judge people by their tabloid press, especially as the worst of it is actually Australian owned? And why do you read that shite? You seem lost or hurt ........ or both. Because the papers sell in the U.K. and therefore have a market there or does that concept go over your head? by a tiny minority , - obviously too confusing for you. So was I correct about the 'hurt' part?
Tiny minority? Yeah ok that’s why they outsell broadsheets and have influenced UK elections and recent referendums....it’s nora confusing concept at all really.... and why would I be hurt by having an opinion that dares to differ from yours? Patronizing much????"but tiny minorities win elections, - why is this still so confusing to you? But you do sound bitter & hurt | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
You typed it and that’s why I replied to it. I can only work out what you are thinking based on what you type.
I didn't type this though did I; "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise."
Them's your words, not mine.
You’re the one generalizing, I’m merely calling you out on it
You're calling me out on what exactly?
Read it yourself I’m beyond the point of trying to point out that your nationalist generalizations are ill informed and lacking in any form of self awareness
I see.
So you actually can't tell me what it is you're calling me out on.
ehhhh generalizations based on nationalism .... explaining this is beginning to feel like I’m playing chess with a gorilla
My post, in precis; "I pointed out the lack of sportsmanship shown by others and Southgate's very sporting gesture to the columbian who missed the penalty."
There was a distinct lack of sportsmanship shown by others.
Southgate's gesture was very sportsmanlike.
I'm guessing you don't see it like that. Which is fine.
"No I’m not arguing about what Southgate did I’m arguing the point you made about magnanimous and gracious being a British National trait. Southgate comes across as a very decent guy, no question about it, same as plenty of English people are equally decent and indeed gracious or magnanimous but to say that magnanimousness or graciousness is British national trait is overstretched at the least. Same as any generalization u brought up about Germans or Argentinians when there are examples of individuals not being gracious or magnanimous, that’s what I objected to not a slur on England or any other country. . | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
You typed it and that’s why I replied to it. I can only work out what you are thinking based on what you type.
I didn't type this though did I; "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise."
Them's your words, not mine.
You’re the one generalizing, I’m merely calling you out on it
You're calling me out on what exactly?
Read it yourself I’m beyond the point of trying to point out that your nationalist generalizations are ill informed and lacking in any form of self awareness
I see.
So you actually can't tell me what it is you're calling me out on.
ehhhh generalizations based on nationalism .... explaining this is beginning to feel like I’m playing chess with a gorilla
My post, in precis; "I pointed out the lack of sportsmanship shown by others and Southgate's very sporting gesture to the columbian who missed the penalty."
There was a distinct lack of sportsmanship shown by others.
Southgate's gesture was very sportsmanlike.
I'm guessing you don't see it like that. Which is fine.
No I’m not arguing about what Southgate did I’m arguing the point you made about magnanimous and gracious being a British National trait. Southgate comes across as a very decent guy, no question about it, same as plenty of English people are equally decent and indeed gracious or magnanimous but to say that magnanimousness or graciousness is British national trait is overstretched at the least. Same as any generalization u brought up about Germans or Argentinians when there are examples of individuals not being gracious or magnanimous, that’s what I objected to not a slur on England or any other country. . "I didn't make up any generalisations about Germans and Argentinians, I was very specific. As a whole I've found the English to be very gracious in defeat. And in this instance I was specific about Southgate's actions. Now, if you have different experiences that's OK too. But to call me out on my post is very strange, particularly when you yourself made several generalisations about me, without knowing the first thing about me. Just makes you sound a bit silly. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise What has this to do with the media, - do you always judge people by their tabloid press, especially as the worst of it is actually Australian owned? And why do you read that shite? You seem lost or hurt ........ or both. Because the papers sell in the U.K. and therefore have a market there or does that concept go over your head? by a tiny minority , - obviously too confusing for you. So was I correct about the 'hurt' part?
Tiny minority? Yeah ok that’s why they outsell broadsheets and have influenced UK elections and recent referendums....it’s nora confusing concept at all really.... and why would I be hurt by having an opinion that dares to differ from yours? Patronizing much????
but tiny minorities win elections, - why is this still so confusing to you?
But you do sound bitter & hurt "No not bitter or hurt......but your logic is confusing me but thats ok too. I don’t understand what my dog is trying to communicate to me either when he barks. | |||
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
You typed it and that’s why I replied to it. I can only work out what you are thinking based on what you type.
I didn't type this though did I; "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise."
Them's your words, not mine.
You’re the one generalizing, I’m merely calling you out on it
You're calling me out on what exactly?
Read it yourself I’m beyond the point of trying to point out that your nationalist generalizations are ill informed and lacking in any form of self awareness
I see.
So you actually can't tell me what it is you're calling me out on.
ehhhh generalizations based on nationalism .... explaining this is beginning to feel like I’m playing chess with a gorilla
My post, in precis; "I pointed out the lack of sportsmanship shown by others and Southgate's very sporting gesture to the columbian who missed the penalty."
There was a distinct lack of sportsmanship shown by others.
Southgate's gesture was very sportsmanlike.
I'm guessing you don't see it like that. Which is fine.
No I’m not arguing about what Southgate did I’m arguing the point you made about magnanimous and gracious being a British National trait. Southgate comes across as a very decent guy, no question about it, same as plenty of English people are equally decent and indeed gracious or magnanimous but to say that magnanimousness or graciousness is British national trait is overstretched at the least. Same as any generalization u brought up about Germans or Argentinians when there are examples of individuals not being gracious or magnanimous, that’s what I objected to not a slur on England or any other country. .
I didn't make up any generalisations about Germans and Argentinians, I was very specific.
As a whole I've found the English to be very gracious in defeat. And in this instance I was specific about Southgate's actions.
Now, if you have different experiences that's OK too.
But to call me out on my post is very strange, particularly when you yourself made several generalisations about me, without knowing the first thing about me.
Just makes you sound a bit silly.
"Dude, You used examples of Germans and Argentinians being bad winners and losers, then have a holier than thou attitude saying to it based on Southgate hugging an opposing player.... holy shit man buy a mirror. Southgate did what he did because he’s a decent human being what the hell does his nationality have to do with it??? And I don’t mean the mirror newspaper | |||
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"As an aside I'm very tempted to get "I am a genious" tattooed across my chest
The fact that this is the closest I've ever got to wanting a tattoo should tell you something about my sense of humour
Brilliant!
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise What has this to do with the media, - do you always judge people by their tabloid press, especially as the worst of it is actually Australian owned? And why do you read that shite? You seem lost or hurt ........ or both. Because the papers sell in the U.K. and therefore have a market there or does that concept go over your head? by a tiny minority , - obviously too confusing for you. So was I correct about the 'hurt' part?
Tiny minority? Yeah ok that’s why they outsell broadsheets and have influenced UK elections and recent referendums....it’s nora confusing concept at all really.... and why would I be hurt by having an opinion that dares to differ from yours? Patronizing much????
but tiny minorities win elections, - why is this still so confusing to you?
But you do sound bitter & hurt
No not bitter or hurt......but your logic is confusing me but thats ok too. I don’t understand what my dog is trying to communicate to me either when he barks.
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise You're right, I don't read the red tops. Or any newspaper for that matter. Nor have I sang or said it's coming home. I don't wonder why people love to see England fail. I'm not responsible for the way the daily rags castigate or demonise players, managers, referees or the opposition. Nor do I agree with them. I've neither demonised or canonised anyone. I'd go as far as to say you don't know me very well at all. But of course, you don't. Well done.
Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise.
Perhaps you should stop telling me what I think, what I should think and what I should write.
*appreciate's the irony
You typed it and that’s why I replied to it. I can only work out what you are thinking based on what you type.
I didn't type this though did I; "Perhaps Then you should stop generalizing about national traits for a start. English or otherwise."
Them's your words, not mine.
You’re the one generalizing, I’m merely calling you out on it
You're calling me out on what exactly?
Read it yourself I’m beyond the point of trying to point out that your nationalist generalizations are ill informed and lacking in any form of self awareness
I see.
So you actually can't tell me what it is you're calling me out on.
ehhhh generalizations based on nationalism .... explaining this is beginning to feel like I’m playing chess with a gorilla
My post, in precis; "I pointed out the lack of sportsmanship shown by others and Southgate's very sporting gesture to the columbian who missed the penalty."
There was a distinct lack of sportsmanship shown by others.
Southgate's gesture was very sportsmanlike.
I'm guessing you don't see it like that. Which is fine.
No I’m not arguing about what Southgate did I’m arguing the point you made about magnanimous and gracious being a British National trait. Southgate comes across as a very decent guy, no question about it, same as plenty of English people are equally decent and indeed gracious or magnanimous but to say that magnanimousness or graciousness is British national trait is overstretched at the least. Same as any generalization u brought up about Germans or Argentinians when there are examples of individuals not being gracious or magnanimous, that’s what I objected to not a slur on England or any other country. .
I didn't make up any generalisations about Germans and Argentinians, I was very specific.
As a whole I've found the English to be very gracious in defeat. And in this instance I was specific about Southgate's actions.
Now, if you have different experiences that's OK too.
But to call me out on my post is very strange, particularly when you yourself made several generalisations about me, without knowing the first thing about me.
Just makes you sound a bit silly.
Dude, You used examples of Germans and Argentinians being bad winners and losers, then have a holier than thou attitude saying to it based on Southgate hugging an opposing player.... holy shit man buy a mirror. Southgate did what he did because he’s a decent human being what the hell does his nationality have to do with it???
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"Personally I've no delusions about how England will do, - but they just beat a very good & physical team in Colombia which should keep them in good stead for the battles ahead. Yes they did have a relatively easy group but so did other nations, & let's face it, all of the European qualifiers got to the World Cup easily because if you don't qualify from the European groups then you really do have to be a shower of complete shite. Fifa is based in Europe obviously! "No not really. Holland and Italy didn't make it. Sweden beat Italy to get there. | |||
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"Personally I've no delusions about how England will do, - but they just beat a very good & physical team in Colombia which should keep them in good stead for the battles ahead. Yes they did have a relatively easy group but so did other nations, & let's face it, all of the European qualifiers got to the World Cup easily because if you don't qualify from the European groups then you really do have to be a shower of complete shite. Fifa is based in Europe obviously!
No not really. Holland and Italy didn't make it.
Sweden beat Italy to get there. "Italy were in pot B for a reason, so they drew the short straw with Spain. Holland are now rebuilding because they were total shite in the quallies, that's why they're not here. Sweden however have a very good defence, as did Colombia & will be very difficult to beat. | |||
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"Personally I've no delusions about how England will do, - but they just beat a very good & physical team in Colombia which should keep them in good stead for the battles ahead. Yes they did have a relatively easy group but so did other nations, & let's face it, all of the European qualifiers got to the World Cup easily because if you don't qualify from the European groups then you really do have to be a shower of complete shite. Fifa is based in Europe obviously!
No not really. Holland and Italy didn't make it.
Sweden beat Italy to get there.
Italy were in pot B for a reason, so they drew the short straw with Spain.
Holland are now rebuilding because they were total shite in the quallies, that's why they're not here.
Sweden however have a very good defence, as did Colombia & will be very difficult to beat."With the upmost respect to Shag and Sweden they consistently over achieve by qualifying all the time. Their no mugs and England should be grateful Zlatan is banging them in in the MLS not Moscow | |||
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"Sweden have beaten Italy to get to the World Cup accross two legs. They have won two group games whilst not conceding a goal, and lost the other with a 94th minute free kick by the current world champions. They also beat France recently and I think we have only beaten them once out of our last seven matches. They are a decent settled team and exactly the type of team we usually manage to lose against. No one wants us to win more than me but this is gonna be a hard game, that’s without us having just played 120 mins. We are a decent team and have improved but there were points against Belgium where we couldn’t get out of our own half and we would do well to remember that " Wise words..... | |||
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" I do feel as though last night was a bit of personal vindication for Southgate too, you could almost see that 22 year weight lifted, he’s no longer ‘that guy’ This. This bit makes my heart happy. And mine
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"Is Southgate a genius? Time will tell. But one thing he's shown, he's a gentleman and a sportsman. In 1996 Southgate missed a penalty in the shoot-out for England. We lost to Germany in the semi-final of the Euros at Wembley. Remember how the German coaching staff took the piss out their Swedish counterparts after Germany scored the winning goal in the last second. Remember how Maradona stuck not just one, but two middle fingers, up at the Nigerian dignitaries when Argentina scored a late winner to send their opposition home. After the Columbia game the England manager showed the English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat. Tthis is how we do it in England. There’s a photo out there of Gareth Southgate consoling the Columbia player who missed their penalty. Gareth Southgate opting to console a distraught Colombian who had missed a penalty in the shoot-out instead of leaping about with his players in our moment of victory. To me, that says a Hell of a lot about the man and the way he’s gone about his business with respect and dignity. English trait of being gracious in victory and magnanimous in defeat?????? Are you serious?????? U clearly don’t read the English red top print media. Or perhaps even think about the arrogance of the phase that’s become your catchphrase “it’s coming home” you managed to win one World Cup 52 years ago on home soil and with a dodgy referee decision and you think you have a divine right to say it’s coming home. You wonder then why people love to see England fail. And if you do fail then watch how magnanimous you are to fall guys who don’t live up to the task and the ensuing hatchet job the red tops do to say Raheem Sterling or Gareth Southgate same as they did to the likes of David Beckham in 1998, graham Taylor in 1993 or even Bobby Robson in 1988. Take off the rose tinted glasses and enjoy the tournament without canonizing or demonizing anyone. English or otherwise What has this to do with the media, - do you always judge people by their tabloid press, especially as the worst of it is actually Australian owned? And why do you read that shite? You seem lost or hurt ........ or both. Because the papers sell in the U.K. and therefore have a market there or does that concept go over your head? " Just because the red tops are going over the top, doesn't mean the general public are. | |||
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"So much negativity on here, we have every right to be happy we havent got this far in such a long time and the path looks achievable to get to the final, every one be happy and get behind the boys, thats all nothing else. " Hear hear!! | |||
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"So much negativity on here, we have every right to be happy we havent got this far in such a long time and the path looks achievable to get to the final, every one be happy and get behind the boys, thats all nothing else. Hear hear!! "Finally some one on the same level | |||
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"So much negativity on here, we have every right to be happy we havent got this far in such a long time and the path looks achievable to get to the final, every one be happy and get behind the boys, thats all nothing else. Hear hear!!
Finally some one on the same level"
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"So much negativity on here, we have every right to be happy we havent got this far in such a long time and the path looks achievable to get to the final, every one be happy and get behind the boys, thats all nothing else. Hear hear!!
Finally some one on the same level
I'm not really into all the stats and probabilities etc, I'm just proud they're there and hope we can go further "Like every England fan should be | |||
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"So much negativity on here, we have every right to be happy we havent got this far in such a long time and the path looks achievable to get to the final, every one be happy and get behind the boys, thats all nothing else. Hear hear!!
Finally some one on the same level
I'm not really into all the stats and probabilities etc, I'm just proud they're there and hope we can go further
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"So much negativity on here, we have every right to be happy we havent got this far in such a long time and the path looks achievable to get to the final, every one be happy and get behind the boys, thats all nothing else. Hear hear!!
Finally some one on the same level
I'm not really into all the stats and probabilities etc, I'm just proud they're there and hope we can go further
Like every England fan should be "My expectations have already been met by getting to the quarter finals. I very much doubt that the initial discussions between the FA and Southgate were about how to win this world cup. If we can get to the semis then the next lot of discussions will be and he'll be given the support and resources to make it happen in 2020 or 2022. | |||
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"So much negativity on here, we have every right to be happy we havent got this far in such a long time and the path looks achievable to get to the final, every one be happy and get behind the boys, thats all nothing else. Hear hear!!
Finally some one on the same level
I'm not really into all the stats and probabilities etc, I'm just proud they're there and hope we can go further
Like every England fan should be
My expectations have already been met by getting to the quarter finals. I very much doubt that the initial discussions between the FA and Southgate were about how to win this world cup. If we can get to the semis then the next lot of discussions will be and he'll be given the support and resources to make it happen in 2020 or 2022. "spot on, if we go out at any point now im a happy man, bring on the euros next | |||
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"Sweden have beaten Italy to get to the World Cup accross two legs. They have won two group games whilst not conceding a goal, and lost the other with a 94th minute free kick by the current world champions. They also beat France recently and I think we have only beaten them once out of our last seven matches. They are a decent settled team and exactly the type of team we usually manage to lose against. No one wants us to win more than me but this is gonna be a hard game, that’s without us having just played 120 mins. We are a decent team and have improved but there were points against Belgium where we couldn’t get out of our own half and we would do well to remember that " Belgium B were far better than England B ; some people would do well to remember that! | |||
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"At the moment, he's a very clever man. If he goes on to win the world cup or, it comes out that just before the world cup he bought up a considerable amount of shares in waistcoat manufacturers and retailers, I will grant him the accolade of genius! Today, I'm hoping to see Mbepe and the French rip apart Uruguays defence." Mbepe had possibly the best chance in the entire world cup - but totally bottled it. Does he have past English ties?  | |||
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"I like him, do you? I reckon he have found the perfect formula and as well for the first time they won a penalty shot out, good chance to win the world cup "To be honest I think most of it comes from the way the premier league has been that’s made the lads what they are. Look at the roles players like Alli and Walker now have as well as a load more. Very critical 1st team players that are playing alongside some of the best players in the world playing and playing against each other. You will learn more playing against someone than you will playing beside them, think about it. You don’t focus on your own players, you are aware of them but it’s the opposition you analyse and in doing so you learn their play styles and their rhythm which provides incredible boosts in chemistry when they play alongside each other as they know their speed, their vision, their placement. The youngsters have had a lot of first team play time and they’re all used to the pressure of facing goliaths. So now they have the experience to properly utilise their youth. I don’t think we will win but I think the lads can make it to the final! | |||
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"Sweden have beaten Italy to get to the World Cup accross two legs. They have won two group games whilst not conceding a goal, and lost the other with a 94th minute free kick by the current world champions. They also beat France recently and I think we have only beaten them once out of our last seven matches. They are a decent settled team and exactly the type of team we usually manage to lose against. No one wants us to win more than me but this is gonna be a hard game, that’s without us having just played 120 mins. We are a decent team and have improved but there were points against Belgium where we couldn’t get out of our own half and we would do well to remember that Belgium B were far better than England B ; some people would do well to remember that! " I don't think Belgium's B team was better than ours. Neither team really wanted to win, so it's not a fair comparison. Besides, why does that automatically mean that their A team is better than our A team? | |||
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"Our Gareth, who art in Samara. Hallowed be thy waistcoat. Thy moment’s come, Thy match will be won, In normal, not in extra time. Give us this day our 2-0 win, And forgive us for doubting your tactics, As we forgive those who dive against us. Lead us not into penalty shootouts, But deliver us from Sweden. For thine is the semis, The final and the glory, For ever and ever. "Very good, but I never doubted his tactics | |||
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"Our Gareth, who art in Samara. Hallowed be thy waistcoat. Thy moment’s come, Thy match will be won, In normal, not in extra time. Give us this day our 2-0 win, And forgive us for doubting your tactics, As we forgive those who dive against us. Lead us not into penalty shootouts, But deliver us from Sweden. For thine is the semis, The final and the glory, For ever and ever.
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"So much negativity on here, we have every right to be happy we havent got this far in such a long time and the path looks achievable to get to the final, every one be happy and get behind the boys, thats all nothing else. Hear hear!!
Finally some one on the same level
I'm not really into all the stats and probabilities etc, I'm just proud they're there and hope we can go further
Like every England fan should be
My expectations have already been met by getting to the quarter finals. I very much doubt that the initial discussions between the FA and Southgate were about how to win this world cup. If we can get to the semis then the next lot of discussions will be and he'll be given the support and resources to make it happen in 2020 or 2022. "Agreed. And the success he's had strengthens his case for whatever resources he asks for next time. I think we should be able to get past Croatia. Can we beat either of the other two in the final? Maybe on our day...... Regardless, this has been a great success. I hope he managed to find his pint of bitter..... | |||
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