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Our Survey says; "Bad Sex"
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From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country. |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country. "
I've never understood why women continue having bad sex, just tell the man what to do, he will happily follow instructions |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
I've never understood why women continue having bad sex, just tell the man what to do, he will happily follow instructions "
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country. "
Those figures don’t surprise me. Children of the late 60’s and early 70’s having a better sex life. There parents were slightly more liberal than they are now. |
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex"
I think it's a toxic culture they are raised it, long before they discover their full sexuality (all of this is 'on average'). Including, but not exclusive to:
- telling kids (of both sexes) that sex is 'dirty' and should only be between married people
- telling kids (But women in particular) that virginity is a huge thing and they need to lose it to someone special
- a culture that promotes myths about married people having rubbish sex lives
- a sub-culture that encourages women to use sex as a control mechanism over their partner
- Men who shame women for having 'too many' sexual partners because their ego needs them to be the best she's ever had
- Women who 'slut shame' other women for whatever logic that I've never quite understood
- generally a culture that hasn't updated itself with the freedom that birth control enables
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex"
Wonder if its towards body image. Its often in the news about how the fashion industry can make women feel less attractive.
I can't speak for everyone but in my experience, women seem to get more comfortable with the way they look as they get older |
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex
Wonder if its towards body image. Its often in the news about how the fashion industry can make women feel less attractive.
I can't speak for everyone but in my experience, women seem to get more comfortable with the way they look as they get older"
Good one, add that to the list |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country. "
Also communication is key and it’s good to keep raising your game. Keeps things exciting. |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country. "
Think this speaks more about you and your technique, then it does the women involved! |
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex
I think it's a toxic culture they are raised it, long before they discover their full sexuality (all of this is 'on average'). Including, but not exclusive to:
- telling kids (of both sexes) that sex is 'dirty' and should only be between married people
- telling kids (But women in particular) that virginity is a huge thing and they need to lose it to someone special
- a culture that promotes myths about married people having rubbish sex lives
- a sub-culture that encourages women to use sex as a control mechanism over their partner
- Men who shame women for having 'too many' sexual partners because their ego needs them to be the best she's ever had
- Women who 'slut shame' other women for whatever logic that I've never quite understood
- generally a culture that hasn't updated itself with the freedom that birth control enables
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Yes. I would add the fact that many young people learn about sex from porn and so are disappointed when they try the real thing. Also in general the British are quite repressed, which is seen in the way that they often have to be off their faces on alcohol before they can even approach someone of the opposite sex |
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I suppose the results would vary on how the question is phrased. Maybe the older women stopped having bad sex because they stopped having sex altogether, not because it got better... Or maybe they met me and it got better all of a sudden \DREAMMODE
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I blame modern pornography,
In my day, we only had mags, and the rare blurry VHS, but the women were seen to enjoy the sex.
I hate to think what a 16year old boy's expectations are if he's had years of porn where the women are used and abused, where oral sex leaves the woman in tears etc.
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"I suppose the results would vary on how the question is phrased. Maybe the older women stopped having bad sex because they stopped having sex altogether, not because it got better... Or maybe they met me and it got better all of a sudden \DREAMMODE
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That's quite likely, the stats for sexless marriages are scarily high |
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex
I think it's a toxic culture they are raised it, long before they discover their full sexuality (all of this is 'on average'). Including, but not exclusive to:
- telling kids (of both sexes) that sex is 'dirty' and should only be between married people
- telling kids (But women in particular) that virginity is a huge thing and they need to lose it to someone special
- a culture that promotes myths about married people having rubbish sex lives
- a sub-culture that encourages women to use sex as a control mechanism over their partner
- Men who shame women for having 'too many' sexual partners because their ego needs them to be the best she's ever had
- Women who 'slut shame' other women for whatever logic that I've never quite understood
- generally a culture that hasn't updated itself with the freedom that birth control enables
Yes. I would add the fact that many young people learn about sex from porn and so are disappointed when they try the real thing. Also in general the British are quite repressed, which is seen in the way that they often have to be off their faces on alcohol before they can even approach someone of the opposite sex "
The alcohol thing is quite a profound insight really. Alcohol seems to be the licence for people to do what they actually want to do, when they are sober. "I was d*unk" is the social get out of jail free card, where as "I was horny" isn't. |
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"I blame modern pornography,
In my day, we only had mags, and the rare blurry VHS, but the women were seen to enjoy the sex.
I hate to think what a 16year old boy's expectations are if he's had years of porn where the women are used and abused, where oral sex leaves the woman in tears etc.
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I don't think so personally. My two favourite porn stars (marica hase and Sasha rose) both routinely do sex that is too hard for my liking. I find myself begging Sasha to just do a semi-romantic vaginal-only scene.
I have subscription to Passion Hd and sex art premium sights where i can watch porn that Jane Austen would approve of |
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex
I think it's a toxic culture they are raised it, long before they discover their full sexuality (all of this is 'on average'). Including, but not exclusive to:
- telling kids (of both sexes) that sex is 'dirty' and should only be between married people
- telling kids (But women in particular) that virginity is a huge thing and they need to lose it to someone special
- a culture that promotes myths about married people having rubbish sex lives
- a sub-culture that encourages women to use sex as a control mechanism over their partner
- Men who shame women for having 'too many' sexual partners because their ego needs them to be the best she's ever had
- Women who 'slut shame' other women for whatever logic that I've never quite understood
- generally a culture that hasn't updated itself with the freedom that birth control enables
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Interesting my son is 28 and i have spent a lot of time with him and his freinds , male and female and i find they have a very good attitude about sex and talk about and discuss it freely |
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex
I think it's a toxic culture they are raised it, long before they discover their full sexuality (all of this is 'on average'). Including, but not exclusive to:
- telling kids (of both sexes) that sex is 'dirty' and should only be between married people
- telling kids (But women in particular) that virginity is a huge thing and they need to lose it to someone special
- a culture that promotes myths about married people having rubbish sex lives
- a sub-culture that encourages women to use sex as a control mechanism over their partner
- Men who shame women for having 'too many' sexual partners because their ego needs them to be the best she's ever had
- Women who 'slut shame' other women for whatever logic that I've never quite understood
- generally a culture that hasn't updated itself with the freedom that birth control enables
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I’m sorry, but you can’t make a definitive conclusion of ‘bad sex’ from, "Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life.”
It tells us nothing about how the question was asked; was it a straight question, or were woman plotting on a scale open to individual interpretation?
It tells us nothing about how many women aged 25-34 are in a relationship where they’re having regular sex. Many won’t be in a relationship at all, while many will be raising a young family and struggling to find the time.
It tells us nothing about what constitutes an enjoyable sex life; great sex every other month as part of a one night stand might not constitute an enjoyable sex life for some.
If one conclusion is that women have negative attitudes to sex, why is that? Is it the glossy magazines creating an unrealistic image of a frequent, fantastic sex life that many will never achieve? The younger end of that age bracket also fall within the bracket of young people whose perception of sex has been unrealistiacally skewed by the explosion of free online pornography. How much is that affecting their sex lives? |
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex
I think it's a toxic culture they are raised it, long before they discover their full sexuality (all of this is 'on average'). Including, but not exclusive to:
- telling kids (of both sexes) that sex is 'dirty' and should only be between married people
- telling kids (But women in particular) that virginity is a huge thing and they need to lose it to someone special
- a culture that promotes myths about married people having rubbish sex lives
- a sub-culture that encourages women to use sex as a control mechanism over their partner
- Men who shame women for having 'too many' sexual partners because their ego needs them to be the best she's ever had
- Women who 'slut shame' other women for whatever logic that I've never quite understood
- generally a culture that hasn't updated itself with the freedom that birth control enables
Interesting my son is 28 and i have spent a lot of time with him and his freinds , male and female and i find they have a very good attitude about sex and talk about and discuss it freely "
Sure, I've qualified all my statements as averages. I also know many people who are in the ~5% of people who remain virgins until they are married. My observation, although it's impossible to confirm, is that they never fully enjoy sex. They are sold this vision of "wait until you are married, it'll be ultra special then" and the promised land never arrives because they'll never shake off the feeling that they are doing something wrong. They become so good at suppressing desires that they lose them all together. |
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex
I think it's a toxic culture they are raised it, long before they discover their full sexuality (all of this is 'on average'). Including, but not exclusive to:
- telling kids (of both sexes) that sex is 'dirty' and should only be between married people
- telling kids (But women in particular) that virginity is a huge thing and they need to lose it to someone special
- a culture that promotes myths about married people having rubbish sex lives
- a sub-culture that encourages women to use sex as a control mechanism over their partner
- Men who shame women for having 'too many' sexual partners because their ego needs them to be the best she's ever had
- Women who 'slut shame' other women for whatever logic that I've never quite understood
- generally a culture that hasn't updated itself with the freedom that birth control enables
Yes. I would add the fact that many young people learn about sex from porn and so are disappointed when they try the real thing. Also in general the British are quite repressed, which is seen in the way that they often have to be off their faces on alcohol before they can even approach someone of the opposite sex
The alcohol thing is quite a profound insight really. Alcohol seems to be the licence for people to do what they actually want to do, when they are sober. "I was d*unk" is the social get out of jail free card, where as "I was horny" isn't."
Absolutely spot on. |
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"Im glad to not be in this 'almost half'...
However, i have better sex now than i did in my 30's.. personally, body confidence has played a huge part!! "
Is 32 your 'fab' age then?? Sorry, i had to have a perv at you, glad i did tho  |
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Wonder if its towards body image. Its often in the news about how the fashion industry can make women feel less attractive.
I can't speak for everyone but in my experience, women seem to get more comfortable with the way they look as they get older"
I would say some women have issues with their body image without any intervention from the fashion industry, I know I did. Then you get to a certain age and think sod that, I am me and the purple hat becomes relevant, so I agree big time with your last sentance. |
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"Im glad to not be in this 'almost half'...
However, i have better sex now than i did in my 30's.. personally, body confidence has played a huge part!! "
Body confidence I'd like to think is possibly the biggest factor of all. If you are hung up about that, then surely it follows that they aren't going to be inhibition free to enjoy sex, vanilla or otherwise.... In clubs, larger ladies we seen are comfortable in their own skin and clearly have a great time. |
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If the bad sex is an issue for people they need to communicate more speak about what's letting you down or what turns you off,hard for some to speak about it because of embarrassing revelations or just seen as plain weird,that comes with age no wonder the young suffer they are Still learning about themselves and not sure of reactions |
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I've never understood why women continue having bad sex, just tell the man what to do, he will happily follow instructions
I am guessing not all men would"
No they don’t, I know through years of being married to a selfish and crap lover x  |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country. "
Actually, for a developed country the British divorce rate is not that high. Out of the 28 current EU countries, Britain has the 14th highest rate. Outside the EU, Canada and the USA both have a higher rate. As does Russia.
Low divorce rates are strongly correlated with poor countries. |
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex
I think it's a toxic culture they are raised it, long before they discover their full sexuality (all of this is 'on average'). Including, but not exclusive to:
- telling kids (of both sexes) that sex is 'dirty' and should only be between married people
- telling kids (But women in particular) that virginity is a huge thing and they need to lose it to someone special
- a culture that promotes myths about married people having rubbish sex lives
- a sub-culture that encourages women to use sex as a control mechanism over their partner
- Men who shame women for having 'too many' sexual partners because their ego needs them to be the best she's ever had
- Women who 'slut shame' other women for whatever logic that I've never quite understood
- generally a culture that hasn't updated itself with the freedom that birth control enables
Interesting my son is 28 and i have spent a lot of time with him and his freinds , male and female and i find they have a very good attitude about sex and talk about and discuss it freely
Sure, I've qualified all my statements as averages. I also know many people who are in the ~5% of people who remain virgins until they are married. My observation, although it's impossible to confirm, is that they never fully enjoy sex. They are sold this vision of "wait until you are married, it'll be ultra special then" and the promised land never arrives because they'll never shake off the feeling that they are doing something wrong. They become so good at suppressing desires that they lose them all together."
maybe it is something to do with the way they are brought up my mother had a very negative attitude toward sex so i made a oint of been very open with him , he knew he could come to me and ask anything , which he has and hasnt felt uncomfortable about asking |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Actually, for a developed country the British divorce rate is not that high. Out of the 28 current EU countries, Britain has the 14th highest rate. Outside the EU, Canada and the USA both have a higher rate. As does Russia.
Low divorce rates are strongly correlated with poor countries. "
If we think more abstractly about 'failed very serious relationships' then it's extremely high. The divorce rate only really stopped climbing because less and less people got married. But cohabiting couples with children have even worse separation rates than married people. |
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After reading the article it seems that the dissatisfaction within the younger group seems to be fuelled by sti’s and a lack of understanding within the relationship .
The older group didn’t fare much better , despite the kids having left home and more opportunities for enjoying it . The suggestion seems that older women just don’t have sex as often .
The happiest women hadn’t had any STIs , understand and use contraception properly , and talk within the relationship . |
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"After reading the article it seems that the dissatisfaction within the younger group seems to be fuelled by sti’s and a lack of understanding within the relationship .
The older group didn’t fare much better , despite the kids having left home and more opportunities for enjoying it . The suggestion seems that older women just don’t have sex as often .
The happiest women hadn’t had any STIs , understand and use contraception properly , and talk within the relationship ."
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"Im glad to not be in this 'almost half'...
However, i have better sex now than i did in my 30's.. personally, body confidence has played a huge part!!
Is 32 your 'fab' age then?? Sorry, i had to have a perv at you, glad i did tho "
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Wonder if its towards body image. Its often in the news about how the fashion industry can make women feel less attractive.
I can't speak for everyone but in my experience, women seem to get more comfortable with the way they look as they get older
I would say some women have issues with their body image without any intervention from the fashion industry, I know I did. Then you get to a certain age and think sod that, I am me and the purple hat becomes relevant, so I agree big time with your last sentance. "
Yea don't get me wrong, I wasn't solely blaming the fashion industry, it was just an example of where people may get a negative body image |
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I have always enjoyed sex and been open minded.
I have been quite lucky in meeting mostly great men.
I have always been curvy and now am a size 20. Do I care no, I love sex, I love a male body. As I have got older I am even more confident.
Other women have tried to fat shame me, I feel sorry for them. I am who and what I am and enjoy life. Ms |
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"I have always enjoyed sex and been open minded.
I have been quite lucky in meeting mostly great men.
I have always been curvy and now am a size 20. Do I care no, I love sex, I love a male body. As I have got older I am even more confident.
Other women have tried to fat shame me, I feel sorry for them. I am who and what I am and enjoy life. Ms"
Has anyone ever tried to slut shame you? If so, were they male or female. Not saying you're a slut but the people who make that acquisition generally apply it to anyone who has had sex. |
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I have body confidence issues.. which has definitely affected my sex life in the past.. but I’m not letting that stop me now... ive been through too much shit over the past 18 months...
So I won’t settle now! I’ve had some amazing sex but am looking forward to finding someone who really wants to explore me and me them and who really wants to blow my mind and body!!!!  |
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"I have body confidence issues.. which has definitely affected my sex life in the past.. but I’m not letting that stop me now... ive been through too much shit over the past 18 months...
So I won’t settle now! I’ve had some amazing sex but am looking forward to finding someone who really wants to explore me and me them and who really wants to blow my mind and body!!!! "
You rang?  |
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"I have body confidence issues.. which has definitely affected my sex life in the past.. but I’m not letting that stop me now... ive been through too much shit over the past 18 months...
So I won’t settle now! I’ve had some amazing sex but am looking forward to finding someone who really wants to explore me and me them and who really wants to blow my mind and body!!!!
You rang? "
You haven’t rang yet!!! |
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"I have body confidence issues.. which has definitely affected my sex life in the past.. but I’m not letting that stop me now... ive been through too much shit over the past 18 months...
So I won’t settle now! I’ve had some amazing sex but am looking forward to finding someone who really wants to explore me and me them and who really wants to blow my mind and body!!!!
You rang?
You haven’t rang yet!!! "
You haven't given me your number yet!!! |
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"I have body confidence issues.. which has definitely affected my sex life in the past.. but I’m not letting that stop me now... ive been through too much shit over the past 18 months...
So I won’t settle now! I’ve had some amazing sex but am looking forward to finding someone who really wants to explore me and me them and who really wants to blow my mind and body!!!!
You rang?
You haven’t rang yet!!!
You haven't given me your number yet!!! "
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
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"My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country. "
I beg to differ! I've met ladies from all over britain (scottish, welsh, english) and found more often than not they have a very positive and engaging attitude towards sex
I love british women! |
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"Im glad to not be in this 'almost half'...
However, i have better sex now than i did in my 30's.. personally, body confidence has played a huge part!!
Is 32 your 'fab' age then?? Sorry, i had to have a perv at you, glad i did tho "
32 is just my age 
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
I've never understood why women continue having bad sex, just tell the man what to do, he will happily follow instructions "
Or will he?
Perhaps she does and he can't be arsed.
They're not all Casanova, despite what they tell you.
Some are luckily. |
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I've never understood why women continue having bad sex, just tell the man what to do, he will happily follow instructions
I am guessing not all men would"
I'm guessing a lot wouldn't. Some don't take well to what they deem 'criticism" |
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex
I think it's a toxic culture they are raised it, long before they discover their full sexuality (all of this is 'on average'). Including, but not exclusive to:
- telling kids (of both sexes) that sex is 'dirty'
and should only be between married people
Therefore parents really should be trying their best to have these conversations with children I am open and honest with my 3sons especially the youngest who still lives with me and is 22 ... he likes his porn but he knows that is not reality and we talk about that ... we talk about swinging even as I do think he knows what I get up to ... though I don’t openly admit it ...
- telling kids (But women in particular) that virginity is a huge thing and they need to lose it to someone special
- a culture that promotes myths about married people having rubbish sex lives
- a sub-culture that encourages women to use sex as a control mechanism over their partner
- Men who shame women for having 'too many' sexual partners because their ego needs them to be the best she's ever had
- Women who 'slut shame' other women for whatever logic that I've never quite understood
- generally a culture that hasn't updated itself with the freedom that birth control enables
Yes. I would add the fact that many young people learn about sex from porn and so are disappointed when they try the real thing. Also in general the British are quite repressed, which is seen in the way that they often have to be off their faces on alcohol before they can even approach someone of the opposite sex "
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country. "
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Actually, for a developed country the British divorce rate is not that high. Out of the 28 current EU countries, Britain has the 14th highest rate. Outside the EU, Canada and the USA both have a higher rate. As does Russia.
Low divorce rates are strongly correlated with poor countries.
If we think more abstractly about 'failed very serious relationships' then it's extremely high. The divorce rate only really stopped climbing because less and less people got married. But cohabiting couples with children have even worse separation rates than married people. "
Do you any reason to think that the rates of break ups amongst co habiting couples are any different to the rates of divorce in the various countries I mentioned.
As I said, divorce is by and large a function of affluence. People no longer need to stay in unsatisfactory relationships to survive. Hence people in rich countries tend to get divorced, people in poor countries don't. |
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Ive always had an incredable sex life. (Yes ive experienced bad sex).But ive wanted different things at different times in my life. Ive gone through numerous phases. My ex husband and I had an incredible sex life.
I wouldnt of married someone i couldnt connect with sexually.
Also sex does go on the back boiler when your working and bringing up a young family but you have to set aside some time. |
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"Ive always had an incredable sex life. (Yes ive experienced bad sex).But ive wanted different things at different times in my life. Ive gone through numerous phases. My ex husband and I had an incredible sex life.
I wouldnt of married someone i couldnt connect with sexually.
Also sex does go on the back boiler when your working and bringing up a young family but you have to set aside some time."
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Actually, for a developed country the British divorce rate is not that high. Out of the 28 current EU countries, Britain has the 14th highest rate. Outside the EU, Canada and the USA both have a higher rate. As does Russia.
Low divorce rates are strongly correlated with poor countries.
If we think more abstractly about 'failed very serious relationships' then it's extremely high. The divorce rate only really stopped climbing because less and less people got married. But cohabiting couples with children have even worse separation rates than married people.
Do you any reason to think that the rates of break ups amongst co habiting couples are any different to the rates of divorce in the various countries I mentioned.
As I said, divorce is by and large a function of affluence. People no longer need to stay in unsatisfactory relationships to survive. Hence people in rich countries tend to get divorced, people in poor countries don't. "
I don't agree with that at all. In the grand scheme of things, the UK, Canada, US and Australia essentially have the same hyper-individualistic culture. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head why Russia has a high rate. I don't agree divorce is simply an economic consideration or even primarily one. |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Actually, for a developed country the British divorce rate is not that high. Out of the 28 current EU countries, Britain has the 14th highest rate. Outside the EU, Canada and the USA both have a higher rate. As does Russia.
Low divorce rates are strongly correlated with poor countries.
If we think more abstractly about 'failed very serious relationships' then it's extremely high. The divorce rate only really stopped climbing because less and less people got married. But cohabiting couples with children have even worse separation rates than married people.
Do you any reason to think that the rates of break ups amongst co habiting couples are any different to the rates of divorce in the various countries I mentioned.
As I said, divorce is by and large a function of affluence. People no longer need to stay in unsatisfactory relationships to survive. Hence people in rich countries tend to get divorced, people in poor countries don't.
I don't agree with that at all. In the grand scheme of things, the UK, Canada, US and Australia essentially have the same hyper-individualistic culture. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head why Russia has a high rate. I don't agree divorce is simply an economic consideration or even primarily one. "
There's a table of divorce rates on Wikipedia. Almost without exception all the countries with high rates are rich countries.
We are on the old Marx /weber debate here. Individualism is the necessary mind set for capitalist development. Whether you think economic development causes mind sets or mind sets causes economic development is a matter of opinion.
I tend to think that for most people working out how to fulfil their material needs is more important than abstract speculation, so I go for the materialist explanation. (though of course the two factors interact). |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Actually, for a developed country the British divorce rate is not that high. Out of the 28 current EU countries, Britain has the 14th highest rate. Outside the EU, Canada and the USA both have a higher rate. As does Russia.
Low divorce rates are strongly correlated with poor countries.
If we think more abstractly about 'failed very serious relationships' then it's extremely high. The divorce rate only really stopped climbing because less and less people got married. But cohabiting couples with children have even worse separation rates than married people.
Do you any reason to think that the rates of break ups amongst co habiting couples are any different to the rates of divorce in the various countries I mentioned.
As I said, divorce is by and large a function of affluence. People no longer need to stay in unsatisfactory relationships to survive. Hence people in rich countries tend to get divorced, people in poor countries don't.
I don't agree with that at all. In the grand scheme of things, the UK, Canada, US and Australia essentially have the same hyper-individualistic culture. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head why Russia has a high rate. I don't agree divorce is simply an economic consideration or even primarily one.
There's a table of divorce rates on Wikipedia. Almost without exception all the countries with high rates are rich countries.
We are on the old Marx /weber debate here. Individualism is the necessary mind set for capitalist development. Whether you think economic development causes mind sets or mind sets causes economic development is a matter of opinion.
I tend to think that for most people working out how to fulfil their material needs is more important than abstract speculation, so I go for the materialist explanation. (though of course the two factors interact). "
Sorry but this is pure poppycock, albeit entertaining poppycock.
Those countries are rich now, they've been rich and resting on past gains for a long time. They didn't have high divorce rates when they were getting rich, quite the opposite in fact. They haven't gotten richer since the divorc rates spiked up, on the whole they are relatively poorer.
Secondly, i found at least 4 exceptions. I also found many countries that are rich and I suspect have low divorce rates aren't listed.
Thirdly, Marx didn't know dick about individualistic culture in the way I'm using the term, because there was absolutely no factual research of it at his time. I don't know what "capitalist development" is supposed to mean. You can certainly be the world leader in economic development without an individualistic culture, China did it for thousands of years before Marx has his first wank. |
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When I was a youngling, my parents never mentioned sex and school didn't teach anything until after I'd started. I put up with bad sex as I didn't know what to expect. I put a lot of effort in (still do) but when I didn't get it back, just thought it was my fault.
Now, I won't put up with that nonsense. Less to do with body confidence, more about knowing what I want.
Sex education in this country needs to cover basic biology yes but also teach what actually works and more importantly, the emotional impact of sex. We've now a generation of kids watching hardcore porn on their phones. Expectations and reality are very different things and young people need to be taught this |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Actually, for a developed country the British divorce rate is not that high. Out of the 28 current EU countries, Britain has the 14th highest rate. Outside the EU, Canada and the USA both have a higher rate. As does Russia.
Low divorce rates are strongly correlated with poor countries.
If we think more abstractly about 'failed very serious relationships' then it's extremely high. The divorce rate only really stopped climbing because less and less people got married. But cohabiting couples with children have even worse separation rates than married people.
Do you any reason to think that the rates of break ups amongst co habiting couples are any different to the rates of divorce in the various countries I mentioned.
As I said, divorce is by and large a function of affluence. People no longer need to stay in unsatisfactory relationships to survive. Hence people in rich countries tend to get divorced, people in poor countries don't.
I don't agree with that at all. In the grand scheme of things, the UK, Canada, US and Australia essentially have the same hyper-individualistic culture. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head why Russia has a high rate. I don't agree divorce is simply an economic consideration or even primarily one.
There's a table of divorce rates on Wikipedia. Almost without exception all the countries with high rates are rich countries.
We are on the old Marx /weber debate here. Individualism is the necessary mind set for capitalist development. Whether you think economic development causes mind sets or mind sets causes economic development is a matter of opinion.
I tend to think that for most people working out how to fulfil their material needs is more important than abstract speculation, so I go for the materialist explanation. (though of course the two factors interact).
Sorry but this is pure poppycock, albeit entertaining poppycock.
Those countries are rich now, they've been rich and resting on past gains for a long time. They didn't have high divorce rates when they were getting rich, quite the opposite in fact. They haven't gotten richer since the divorc rates spiked up, on the whole they are relatively poorer.
Secondly, i found at least 4 exceptions. I also found many countries that are rich and I suspect have low divorce rates aren't listed.
Thirdly, Marx didn't know dick about individualistic culture in the way I'm using the term, because there was absolutely no factual research of it at his time. I don't know what "capitalist development" is supposed to mean. You can certainly be the world leader in economic development without an individualistic culture, China did it for thousands of years before Marx has his first wank. "
Four "exceptions" rather confirms the general correlation of divorce and wealthy societies.
It's bleeding obvious that where people can survive relatively easily as singles they will tend to leave unsatisfactory relationships. You can counter that by having draconian laws or strong social sanctions against divorce (Malta for example has a very low rate due to the Catholic Church's strong influence) , but if you don't divorce will increase.
Anyway, your original thesis was that Britain has an exceptionally high divorce rate. As it happens, it has a slightly below average rate for a developed country. |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country. "
Is that half of women having bad sex, no sex or a mixture of the two? |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Actually, for a developed country the British divorce rate is not that high. Out of the 28 current EU countries, Britain has the 14th highest rate. Outside the EU, Canada and the USA both have a higher rate. As does Russia.
Low divorce rates are strongly correlated with poor countries.
If we think more abstractly about 'failed very serious relationships' then it's extremely high. The divorce rate only really stopped climbing because less and less people got married. But cohabiting couples with children have even worse separation rates than married people.
Do you any reason to think that the rates of break ups amongst co habiting couples are any different to the rates of divorce in the various countries I mentioned.
As I said, divorce is by and large a function of affluence. People no longer need to stay in unsatisfactory relationships to survive. Hence people in rich countries tend to get divorced, people in poor countries don't.
I don't agree with that at all. In the grand scheme of things, the UK, Canada, US and Australia essentially have the same hyper-individualistic culture. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head why Russia has a high rate. I don't agree divorce is simply an economic consideration or even primarily one.
There's a table of divorce rates on Wikipedia. Almost without exception all the countries with high rates are rich countries.
We are on the old Marx /weber debate here. Individualism is the necessary mind set for capitalist development. Whether you think economic development causes mind sets or mind sets causes economic development is a matter of opinion.
I tend to think that for most people working out how to fulfil their material needs is more important than abstract speculation, so I go for the materialist explanation. (though of course the two factors interact).
Sorry but this is pure poppycock, albeit entertaining poppycock.
Those countries are rich now, they've been rich and resting on past gains for a long time. They didn't have high divorce rates when they were getting rich, quite the opposite in fact. They haven't gotten richer since the divorc rates spiked up, on the whole they are relatively poorer.
Secondly, i found at least 4 exceptions. I also found many countries that are rich and I suspect have low divorce rates aren't listed.
Thirdly, Marx didn't know dick about individualistic culture in the way I'm using the term, because there was absolutely no factual research of it at his time. I don't know what "capitalist development" is supposed to mean. You can certainly be the world leader in economic development without an individualistic culture, China did it for thousands of years before Marx has his first wank.
Four "exceptions" rather confirms the general correlation of divorce and wealthy societies.
It's bleeding obvious that where people can survive relatively easily as singles they will tend to leave unsatisfactory relationships. You can counter that by having draconian laws or strong social sanctions against divorce (Malta for example has a very low rate due to the Catholic Church's strong influence) , but if you don't divorce will increase.
Anyway, your original thesis was that Britain has an exceptionally high divorce rate. As it happens, it has a slightly below average rate for a developed country. "
So we'll agree to disagree on some issues in the interest of moving forward. You talk about "unsatisfactory relationships" as if they are some sort of fixed quantity that exists independant of the people in them.
I think the problem is that the average people's relationship skills are in freefall and what you call "draconian laws or strong social sanctions" are appeals to make people more introspective and understand how their own actions make a relationship satisfactory or unsatisfactory. |
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"When I was a youngling, my parents never mentioned sex and school didn't teach anything until after I'd started. I put up with bad sex as I didn't know what to expect. I put a lot of effort in (still do) but when I didn't get it back, just thought it was my fault.
Now, I won't put up with that nonsense. Less to do with body confidence, more about knowing what I want.
Sex education in this country needs to cover basic biology yes but also teach what actually works and more importantly, the emotional impact of sex. We've now a generation of kids watching hardcore porn on their phones. Expectations and reality are very different things and young people need to be taught this"
It ain't just the kids either! A lot of adults on this website have crazy expectations! |
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"I have always enjoyed sex and been open minded.
I have been quite lucky in meeting mostly great men.
I have always been curvy and now am a size 20. Do I care no, I love sex, I love a male body. As I have got older I am even more confident.
Other women have tried to fat shame me, I feel sorry for them. I am who and what I am and enjoy life. Ms
Has anyone ever tried to slut shame you? If so, were they male or female. Not saying you're a slut but the people who make that acquisition generally apply it to anyone who has had sex. "
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"You talk about "unsatisfactory relationships" as if they are some sort of fixed quantity that exists independant of the people in them."
You realise that it doesn’t have a strict, fixed definition for it to be something which causes people to separate, don’t you? |
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"You talk about "unsatisfactory relationships" as if they are some sort of fixed quantity that exists independant of the people in them.
You realise that it doesn’t have a strict, fixed definition for it to be something which causes people to separate, don’t you?"
Not really relevant to the point I'm making. I'm simply saying that you generally get out of relationships, as much as you put into them. Relationships aren't usually inherently unsatisfactory, more likely is that one or both people are putting fuck all effort into it. |
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"You talk about "unsatisfactory relationships" as if they are some sort of fixed quantity that exists independant of the people in them.
You realise that it doesn’t have a strict, fixed definition for it to be something which causes people to separate, don’t you?
Not really relevant to the point I'm making. I'm simply saying that you generally get out of relationships, as much as you put into them. Relationships aren't usually inherently unsatisfactory, more likely is that one or both people are putting fuck all effort into it. "
And that’s not really relevant to the point KLP was making. It matters not a jot if you think people are putting in enough effort. If people live in a society where they can afford to separate, they are more likely to. |
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I've never understood why women continue having bad sex, just tell the man what to do, he will happily follow instructions
I am guessing not all men would
I'm guessing a lot wouldn't. Some don't take well to what they deem 'criticism""
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"You talk about "unsatisfactory relationships" as if they are some sort of fixed quantity that exists independant of the people in them.
You realise that it doesn’t have a strict, fixed definition for it to be something which causes people to separate, don’t you?
Not really relevant to the point I'm making. I'm simply saying that you generally get out of relationships, as much as you put into them. Relationships aren't usually inherently unsatisfactory, more likely is that one or both people are putting fuck all effort into it.
And that’s not really relevant to the point KLP was making. It matters not a jot if you think people are putting in enough effort. If people live in a society where they can afford to separate, they are more likely to."
Except in the countries where they don't. It is relevant because it's incorrect or meaningless to frame the relationships as unsatisfactory. The fact that second marriage divorce rates are higher than first marriage ones, show that it's simply not the case that they are leaving for a better relationship. |
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The younger generation is certainly less liberated and more prudish and more uptight about sex than mine seemed to be (before we all got terrified of AIDS) - I appreciate that is a mass generalisation based on a reasonably small sample.
Some of it also (possibly) stems from the reliance on internet dating and the need to discover all about each other before you even meet. Whereas we used to meet as the last dance started and let’s say, get to know each other’s bodies before we really got to know each other’s personalities.
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"Except in the countries where they don't. It is relevant because it's incorrect or meaningless to frame the relationships as unsatisfactory. The fact that second marriage divorce rates are higher than first marriage ones, show that it's simply not the case that they are leaving for a better relationship."
Well, assuming that they left to go directly into that relationship, they probably thought it was going to be better. Then, at some point, it wasn’t.
The main difficulty here is that you seem to think that human brains operate by analysing the data points in a personal relationship, and making a quantifiable assessment as to whether that relationship meets some universally agreed scale of satisfaction.
People leave relationships because they no longer find them satisfactory. You’re just going to have to accept that people are not going to ask you for an analysis that gives them permission to leave. |
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"Except in the countries where they don't. It is relevant because it's incorrect or meaningless to frame the relationships as unsatisfactory. The fact that second marriage divorce rates are higher than first marriage ones, show that it's simply not the case that they are leaving for a better relationship.
Well, assuming that they left to go directly into that relationship, they probably thought it was going to be better. Then, at some point, it wasn’t.
The main difficulty here is that you seem to think that human brains operate by analysing the data points in a personal relationship, and making a quantifiable assessment as to whether that relationship meets some universally agreed scale of satisfaction.
People leave relationships because they no longer find them satisfactory. You’re just going to have to accept that people are not going to ask you for an analysis that gives them permission to leave."
No, I'm saying what i said in the first post and expanded up after. British people are raised in a toxic culture that prevents them fully enjoying relationships, thus being a major contributor to the downfall of said relationship. |
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"No, I'm saying what i said in the first post and expanded up after. British people are raised in a toxic culture that prevents them fully enjoying relationships, thus being a major contributor to the downfall of said relationship. "
So, you’re arguing the semantics of KLP saying that a relationship is unsatisfactory, when you believe it should be framed as, for whatever reason, be it a toxic environment or otherwise, the two people in it deeming it to be unsatisfactory.
None of which makes any difference to the point KLP was making. If the two people in a relationship deem it to be unsatisfactory, and live in a society where people can generally afford to get divorced, they generally will, with some exceptions. Whether it’s some toxic external environment that’s influencing their ability to sustain a relationship or not.
I’m yet to see any figures on the failure rate of significant, co-habiting, non-married relationships. Or the evidence that this is attributable to a toxic environment. Or the evidence that this toxic environment exists. |
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"No, I'm saying what i said in the first post and expanded up after. British people are raised in a toxic culture that prevents them fully enjoying relationships, thus being a major contributor to the downfall of said relationship.
So, you’re arguing the semantics of KLP saying that a relationship is unsatisfactory, when you believe it should be framed as, for whatever reason, be it a toxic environment or otherwise, the two people in it deeming it to be unsatisfactory.
None of which makes any difference to the point KLP was making. If the two people in a relationship deem it to be unsatisfactory, and live in a society where people can generally afford to get divorced, they generally will, with some exceptions. Whether it’s some toxic external environment that’s influencing their ability to sustain a relationship or not.
I’m yet to see any figures on the failure rate of significant, co-habiting, non-married relationships. Or the evidence that this is attributable to a toxic environment. Or the evidence that this toxic environment exists."
Go look for them then, they are easy enough to find. I know how much you like facts and evidence. Furthermore, the exceptions are numerous enough that the entire statement doesn't apply to entire regions of the world, so it's not some universal human norm. Just a European phenomenon also found in our colonies. |
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"Go look for them then, they are easy enough to find."
You know better than that. It’s not good form to make an argument and then demand others evidence it for you when they challenge it. If you make claims, it’s up to you to back them up.
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"I know how much you like facts and evidence."
An odd thing to say, given that you like them yourself. A little too much, it could be argued. |
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"Go look for them then, they are easy enough to find.
You know better than that. It’s not good form to make an argument and then demand others evidence it for you when they challenge it. If you make claims, it’s up to you to back them up.
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The problem is that many facts build upon a prerequsite knowledge of other facts. For example, you don't really understand how culturally specific KLPs argument was, because you only have a vauge idea of what a culture is. Since threads expire soon after 170 replies then I'd simply run out of time trying to answer your endless questions and demands for evidence. Not that i believe you'd accept any evidence that contradict your existing world view. So sometimes you need to educate yourself first in the spirit of intellectual honesty. |
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex
I think it's a toxic culture they are raised it, long before they discover their full sexuality (all of this is 'on average'). Including, but not exclusive to:
- telling kids (of both sexes) that sex is 'dirty' and should only be between married people
- telling kids (But women in particular) that virginity is a huge thing and they need to lose it to someone special
- a culture that promotes myths about married people having rubbish sex lives
- a sub-culture that encourages women to use sex as a control mechanism over their partner
- Men who shame women for having 'too many' sexual partners because their ego needs them to be the best she's ever had
- Women who 'slut shame' other women for whatever logic that I've never quite understood
- generally a culture that hasn't updated itself with the freedom that birth control enables
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This exactly!
There’s still a massive difference in attitude in this country towards sexually active men and women!
Man = hero
Woman = slag!
Whether it’ll ever change I’ve no idea - but I truly hope it does for all our sakes! |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country. "
Did it breakdown if it was referring to whether the women were having an unenjoyable sex life with men, other women/trans etc or simply not getting any per se?
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"Interesting. If that's true, why do you think it is OP? In particular the bit about women in this country having a negative attitude towards sex
I think it's a toxic culture they are raised it, long before they discover their full sexuality (all of this is 'on average'). Including, but not exclusive to:
- telling kids (of both sexes) that sex is 'dirty' and should only be between married people
- telling kids (But women in particular) that virginity is a huge thing and they need to lose it to someone special
- a culture that promotes myths about married people having rubbish sex lives
- a sub-culture that encourages women to use sex as a control mechanism over their partner
- Men who shame women for having 'too many' sexual partners because their ego needs them to be the best she's ever had
- Women who 'slut shame' other women for whatever logic that I've never quite understood
- generally a culture that hasn't updated itself with the freedom that birth control enables
This exactly!
There’s still a massive difference in attitude in this country towards sexually active men and women!
Man = hero
Woman = slag!
Whether it’ll ever change I’ve no idea - but I truly hope it does for all our sakes! "
Yes and historically there's logic to that viewpoint so i can understand where it comes from. But the pill got introduced over 50 years ago and people still act like every sexual encounter a woman has is likely to result in a pregnancy! |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Did it breakdown if it was referring to whether the women were having an unenjoyable sex life with men, other women/trans etc or simply not getting any per se?
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65% had been fucked in the past month. 77% within the last 3 month's. |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Did it breakdown if it was referring to whether the women were having an unenjoyable sex life with men, other women/trans etc or simply not getting any per se?
65% had been fucked in the past month. 77% within the last 3 month's. "
Aren’t we all just greedy for more, not content, anxious, worried and feeling overwhelming despair most of the time? It’s probably just the barometer of life. |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Did it breakdown if it was referring to whether the women were having an unenjoyable sex life with men, other women/trans etc or simply not getting any per se?
65% had been fucked in the past month. 77% within the last 3 month's.
Aren’t we all just greedy for more, not content, anxious, worried and feeling overwhelming despair most of the time? It’s probably just the barometer of life. "
Generally 'you' are shitting yourself about getting pregnant or having bad periods, according to the report |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Did it breakdown if it was referring to whether the women were having an unenjoyable sex life with men, other women/trans etc or simply not getting any per se?
65% had been fucked in the past month. 77% within the last 3 month's.
Aren’t we all just greedy for more, not content, anxious, worried and feeling overwhelming despair most of the time? It’s probably just the barometer of life.
Generally 'you' are shitting yourself about getting pregnant or having bad periods, according to the report "
I don’t believe the answers then. |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Did it breakdown if it was referring to whether the women were having an unenjoyable sex life with men, other women/trans etc or simply not getting any per se?
65% had been fucked in the past month. 77% within the last 3 month's.
Aren’t we all just greedy for more, not content, anxious, worried and feeling overwhelming despair most of the time? It’s probably just the barometer of life.
Generally 'you' are shitting yourself about getting pregnant or having bad periods, according to the report
I don’t believe the answers then. "
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Well looking very simplisticly that sounds logical. Surely experiance often grows with age and practice. So maybe it would follow that older people are better at it. Also maybe older people are genrally more comfortable in their own skin, give less shits and have different/pressures in life than younger groups. |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Did it breakdown if it was referring to whether the women were having an unenjoyable sex life with men, other women/trans etc or simply not getting any per se?
65% had been fucked in the past month. 77% within the last 3 month's.
Aren’t we all just greedy for more, not content, anxious, worried and feeling overwhelming despair most of the time? It’s probably just the barometer of life.
Generally 'you' are shitting yourself about getting pregnant or having bad periods, according to the report
I don’t believe the answers then.
Why not?"
I’ve not read the report and am just thinking from the limited info you’ve referenced here. And I’ve not read the whole thread btw...but, for women of 25-34 where the majority have had sex at least within the last three months to cite the main reasons for unenjoyable sex to be because of bad periods or fear of accidental pregnancy - I would (gut feeling) suggest it seems a slightly odd reason for not having an enjoyable sex life overall...I mean there could be ad hoc scenarios that fit this, ie. “oh my last sexual encounter within the last three months the condom split and I had a scare, that wasn’t fun” or “it was awkward as I was due on and felt crampy blah blah, not fun” but to extrapolate this to *having* an unenjoyable sex life as opposed to latest sexual experience, seems bizarre. I mean, we’ve got a lot of protective measures now for pregnancy prevention so that’s strange - if it’s an issue of continually not using and thus in a perpetual state of fear then I’d posit there’s something else actually going on for the woman that is far more likely why she’d be giving an answer of her sex life being unenjoyable, perhaps difficulties in a relationship/communication/safety or perhaps ONS in less safe scenarios and failing to use protection etc and again maybe it’s the nature of disposable hookup that’s not enjoyable? I mean there’s so many possibilities, it just feels like an odd leap or not unpacking thoroughly through the survey. I could go on, it just doesn’t quite sit right with me. But as I say, I’m lacking the full info of the survey, and I’m responding with instinct. |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Think this speaks more about you and your technique, then it does the women involved! "
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
I've never understood why women continue having bad sex, just tell the man what to do, he will happily follow instructions "
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"So, your answer is to be rudeness, baseless assumption, and deflection. Good work.
As opposed to your challenges which are just endless filibuster that never offer any counter facts or evidence."
You need to make up your mind whether I’m a fan of facts and evidence or not. I’m also unclear as to how briefly pointing out the continuous flaws in your arguments counts as ‘endless filibuster’. Your own posts in this thread are nothing more than verbose conjecture, driven by your own agenda, which largely consists of an apparently consistent inability to understand humans. |
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"So, your answer is to be rudeness, baseless assumption, and deflection. Good work.
As opposed to your challenges which are just endless filibuster that never offer any counter facts or evidence.
You need to make up your mind whether I’m a fan of facts and evidence or not. I’m also unclear as to how briefly pointing out the continuous flaws in your arguments counts as ‘endless filibuster’. Your own posts in this thread are nothing more than verbose conjecture, driven by your own agenda, which largely consists of an apparently consistent inability to understand humans."
You need to learn to spot sarcasm |
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"So, your answer is to be rudeness, baseless assumption, and deflection. Good work.
As opposed to your challenges which are just endless filibuster that never offer any counter facts or evidence.
You need to make up your mind whether I’m a fan of facts and evidence or not. I’m also unclear as to how briefly pointing out the continuous flaws in your arguments counts as ‘endless filibuster’. Your own posts in this thread are nothing more than verbose conjecture, driven by your own agenda, which largely consists of an apparently consistent inability to understand humans.
You need to learn to spot sarcasm "
What is this thing you call sarcasm, human ? |
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"So, your answer is to be rudeness, baseless assumption, and deflection. Good work.
As opposed to your challenges which are just endless filibuster that never offer any counter facts or evidence.
You need to make up your mind whether I’m a fan of facts and evidence or not. I’m also unclear as to how briefly pointing out the continuous flaws in your arguments counts as ‘endless filibuster’. Your own posts in this thread are nothing more than verbose conjecture, driven by your own agenda, which largely consists of an apparently consistent inability to understand humans.
You need to learn to spot sarcasm
What is this thing you call sarcasm, human ?"
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Nice ret-con.
It’s actually retcon no need for the -
Hope this helps X"
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Nice ret-con.
It’s actually retcon no need for the -
Hope this helps X
Did you only know that because you googled it to find out the meaning?"
I just know much he likes facts and to set people straight, so I’m doing the same to him. Sorry if I come across as condescending, I know that’s his shtick! |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Think this speaks more about you and your technique, then it does the women involved!
Haha.... this is true... the real question is why are so many men shit in bed "
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country. "
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Any figures on the male groups? For balance."
No, I think it's assumed that men should be grateful for whatever sex they get |
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"From the BBC:
"Almost half of women aged 25-34 do not have an enjoyable sex life, a survey by Public Health England suggests.
About 7,000 women over the age of 16 responded to the first poll of its kind launched by the health body to guide future policy on reproductive health.
Sexual satisfaction appeared to increase with age - less than a third of women aged 55-64 reported a lack of enjoyable sex in the past 12 months."
My experience of British culture/ British women is that they, on average, have a negative attitude towards sex. I think it's one of the biggest contributors to the sky high divorce rate in this country.
Any figures on the male groups? For balance.
No, I think it's assumed that men should be grateful for whatever sex they get "
That would appear to be the case. I think the results might suprise people....if they could get the actual truth out of those surveyed! |
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