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Is maternity leave unfair ?

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

In a previous job I was working, there was three women who went on maternity leave. So when they were off we had to take up the slack and this was a job that you finished when the work was done, not a set time.

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

You can share maternity leave now so no more moaning.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

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By *rincess peachWoman over a year ago

shits creek

Your company could have hired 3 people to cover the maternity leave. It's good for those who've not had a job before to get some experience and something to put on their c.v

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It sounds like the employer was at fault. Everywhere I've ever worked they have employed temporary staff to cover maternity leave.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child? "

Also, not just women want children, it's just that we have to carry them and push them out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

An employer that provides no additional resources to cover 3 people on maternity leave is re problem. Not the women.

So what are you suggesting? That women who have children should resign from their jobs?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Think this post is just a wee bit attention grabbing and pointless ... until you have to risk your life to make a little person in 9 months then look after it until it can be left in the care of another person then really you are very unqualified to comment! Less moaning less poor me and more work?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The length of paid maternity leave is a joke.

The employer should have employed temporary staff to cover. But small companies probably can't afford to pay both.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

Also, not just women want children, it's just that we have to carry them and push them out. "

But when we ask you to push you swear at us.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"The length of paid maternity leave is a joke.

The employer should have employed temporary staff to cover. But small companies probably can't afford to pay both.

I'd imagine staff working for small companies would just be paid statutory maternity pay from the government?

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

Very selfish behaviour from the three women involved.

You'd have thought they could have popped the baby out during a lunch break and been back at work straight after without causing any inconvenience to you.

Have you tried reporting them to HR ?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

Also, not just women want children, it's just that we have to carry them and push them out.

But when we ask you to push you swear at us."

And so we should

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

In America the men get paid Maternity leave also..... even if you adopt a child...

This applies to same sex couples also

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"In a previous job I was working, there was three women who went on maternity leave. So when they were off we had to take up the slack and this was a job that you finished when the work was done, not a set time.

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?"

Kids are the future. You've helped a little in giving that young kid a few months 1 on 1 think of it that way. Its a pain but you've helped

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is it really a paid holiday?

Your employer should employ covering staff, his tightness isn't the new mothers fault and, it's a bit silly of him if his tightness is causing resentment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The length of paid maternity leave is a joke.

Yes it's hilarious that many women are able to take so much time away from work for such an important part of a child's life. an absolute abomination! Send them back to work as soon as they have recovered physically!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It sounds like the employer was at fault. Everywhere I've ever worked they have employed temporary staff to cover maternity leave. "

This.

Your employer will have paid maternity pay which they can recover from HMRC so they have saved on paying 3 wages whilst making the remaining staff work extra hard. They should have hired temporary staff.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And those children, when they grow up and enter the job market in 20 or so years will be the ones paying your pension in some way or another...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Think this post is just a wee bit attention grabbing and pointless ... until you have to risk your life to make a little person in 9 months then look after it until it can be left in the care of another person then really you are very unqualified to comment! Less moaning less poor me and more work? "

If you think this is attention seeking and pointless you should see my other threads. Being a mum is the easiest job in the world, you’re off the grid. Tell me another job you can do with your pyjamas still on ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The length of paid maternity leave is a joke.

6 months paid leave is plenty of time. 12 months leave is ridiculous.

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

OP you might not want children but I bet you'll want the old age pension that they will be working to provide for you.

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By *oodnitegirlWoman over a year ago

Yorkshire

They were all pregnant at the same time?! We’re you not invited on that team bonding weekend away? Sounds like something is lot would like.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Very selfish behaviour from the three women involved.

You'd have thought they could have popped the baby out during a lunch break and been back at work straight after without causing any inconvenience to you.

Have you tried reporting them to HR ?"

They had a year off each.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The length of paid maternity leave is a joke.

6 months paid leave is plenty of time. 12 months leave is ridiculous. "

You don't think that being able to spend time with your child for the first year of their life is important???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Very selfish behaviour from the three women involved.

You'd have thought they could have popped the baby out during a lunch break and been back at work straight after without causing any inconvenience to you.

Have you tried reporting them to HR ?

They had a year off each."

With full pay? What company would this be, it's a very generous one to give 12 months full pay.

Even when I worked for DWP our policy was 6 months full pay, additional 3 months half pay if you wanted to take them, and longer would be stat mat pay.

When I was pregnant there I took 4 weeks off sick (full pay) came back from sick leave on the 13th of October (my due date) started maternity leave 14th of October because my waters went in work and gave birth on the 15th!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The length of paid maternity leave is a joke.

And don't forget to make them wear sackcloth and ashes until they've atoned for their sins

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By *ervent_fervourMan over a year ago

Halifax

It's not their 'fault' that they had to have children. It's not their fault that they needed time off to, you know, give birth, recover, and help nurture their babies at the most important nurturing stage of their lives. It's not their fault that they 'waltzed' back in.

It IS the fault of the company you work for not providing adequate cover.

It's not like they wouldn't have had six months plus notice that this was gonna happen or anything..

It's their right to give life, and have a job. You(hypothetically) have the right to spurt your stuff inside someone else, make them pregnant, and then go back to work. They have a right to decide that after your spurting has resulting in 'something' happening, to do the above, then go back to work.

Equal rights, innit. And thank god for that.

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By *gnitemybodyWoman over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

Sounds like you work for a shit employer.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child? "

I know it is not legal, but some companies don't take on women in case they become pregnant.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"They were all pregnant at the same time?! We’re you not invited on that team bonding weekend away? Sounds like something is lot would like.

Yes, I was busy that weekend!

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

I know it is not legal, but some companies don't take on women in case they become pregnant."

When I used to go for job interviews in the seventies they used to ask me when or if I planned to have children.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It's not their 'fault' that they had to have children. It's not their fault that they needed time off to, you know, give birth, recover, and help nurture their babies at the most important nurturing stage of their lives. It's not their fault that they 'waltzed' back in.

It IS the fault of the company you work for not providing adequate cover.

It's not like they wouldn't have had six months plus notice that this was gonna happen or anything..

Equal rights, innit. And thank god for that."

Playing to the gallery here, good work mate, get the ladies on your side!

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By *r MoriartyMan over a year ago

The Land that time forgot (Norfolk)

Mattress Tester

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Mattress Tester"

Ok, apart from that one!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child? "

should he be penalised for other people wanting kids? i think its fair women get paid maternity leave, women and men deserve it, but he should be compensated if hes doing extra work no?

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

should he be penalised for other people wanting kids? i think its fair women get paid maternity leave, women and men deserve it, but he should be compensated if hes doing extra work no? "

Yes, he should. That's down to his employer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

should he be penalised for other people wanting kids? i think its fair women get paid maternity leave, women and men deserve it, but he should be compensated if hes doing extra work no? "

Should have complained to the boss then shouldn't he?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

should he be penalised for other people wanting kids? i think its fair women get paid maternity leave, women and men deserve it, but he should be compensated if hes doing extra work no? "

Because only men pick up the extra work?

Also.... You can split maternity leave now so the man can have the time off. I know a few people who have done that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mattress Tester

Ok, apart from that one! "

A hooker

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

should he be penalised for other people wanting kids? i think its fair women get paid maternity leave, women and men deserve it, but he should be compensated if hes doing extra work no?

Should have complained to the boss then shouldn't he? "

I’m not one to make a scene!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

Mattress Tester

Ok, apart from that one! "

Any job where you can work from home.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

should he be penalised for other people wanting kids? i think its fair women get paid maternity leave, women and men deserve it, but he should be compensated if hes doing extra work no?

Because only men pick up the extra work?

Also.... You can split maternity leave now so the man can have the time off. I know a few people who have done that. "

Did I say it was only men picking up the work ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

should he be penalised for other people wanting kids? i think its fair women get paid maternity leave, women and men deserve it, but he should be compensated if hes doing extra work no?

Should have complained to the boss then shouldn't he?

I’m not one to make a scene! "

Apart from the one you're making here about it of course.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

I took maternity leave I can't remember how long was on full pay back then. When our had my second child I wasn't working so it wasn't an issue. Both of us preferred the kids to have one parent at home until they got a bit older so I worked on saturdays and occasionally during the evenings.

There was a time when the bad behaviour of kids was blamed on working mothers. Its a no win situation but then it usually is for parents

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

should he be penalised for other people wanting kids? i think its fair women get paid maternity leave, women and men deserve it, but he should be compensated if hes doing extra work no?

Because only men pick up the extra work?

Also.... You can split maternity leave now so the man can have the time off. I know a few people who have done that.

Did I say it was only men picking up the work ?"

I misread it, sorry

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By *layfullsamMan over a year ago

Solihull

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"[Removed by poster at 25/06/18 08:34:10]"

What were you suggesting?

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

"The length of paid maternity leave is a joke.

Why wait until they have recovered? Patch em up , throw them back to work.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

Liz McColgan won a World 10,000m gold six months after shitting out a sprig, all these maternity mums are pulling the wool over your eyes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Liz McColgan won a World 10,000m gold six months after shitting out a sprig, all these maternity mums are pulling the wool over your eyes."

Sprig

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

"Liz McColgan won a World 10,000m gold six months after shitting out a sprig, all these maternity mums are pulling the wool over your eyes.

Sprig

Sprig: noun; a descendant or younger member of a family or social class

(nothing to do with the I being too close to the O on the keyboard

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The length of paid maternity leave is a joke.

6 months paid leave is plenty of time. 12 months leave is ridiculous.

You don't think that being able to spend time with your child for the first year of their life is important???"

If they want to do that they can quit working. Stay home till it starts school.

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By *s_macWoman over a year ago

Traffic land

"The length of paid maternity leave is a joke.

6 months paid leave is plenty of time. 12 months leave is ridiculous. "

SMP is payable for up to 39 weeks, the 12 month duration is not paid, unless the company has their own maternity package

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think 6 months maternity leave is fair. We need kids to keep the world ticking over but what I don't like is parents who get an additional week or two off every year using their child as an excuse. There's two work shy men in my work place and funnily enough they're best friends but one week one will leave work with the biggest act of all time saying his kid fell and is in hospital (his kids usually fall early Friday before the weekend or early Monday before the busiest day of the week) the next week his friends kid will have a fall. One time a polish lad got sick of it and said to him as he was pretending to rush away "man who takes care of your kids? You seem to be in hospital 20 times a year" your man brushed it off. The manager knows them both and never sees anything wrong with their kids but is afraid to pull them um on it incase one day there is something wrong.

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By *orticiaWoman over a year ago

Wirral

I think it’s unfair. I don’t want kids but 12 months off paid would be great.

Can I get caternity leave if I get some more kitties?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Least they came back or you’d still be doing the extra work load

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

totally not women are amazing for carrying the child for 9 months and giving birth to it.

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By *harliebbwWoman over a year ago

Birmingham

Clue less.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What a fantastic post - showing exactly who women who to avoid meeting......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’ve bitten my tongue reading this thread so hard it’s now on the floor!

Thanks OP

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?

Kids are the future. You've helped a little in giving that young kid a few months 1 on 1 think of it that way. Its a pain but you've helped"

What are you? Mahatma Gandhi

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?"

Did you make them all pregnant at the same time with your giant cock?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"What a fantastic post - showing exactly who women who to avoid meeting......"

Glad I could help X

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I’ve bitten my tongue reading this thread so hard it’s now on the floor!

Thanks OP

You’re welcome

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

should he be penalised for other people wanting kids? i think its fair women get paid maternity leave, women and men deserve it, but he should be compensated if hes doing extra work no?

Because only men pick up the extra work?

Also.... You can split maternity leave now so the man can have the time off. I know a few people who have done that. "

its not his point?? his mrs isnt pregnant? his point is hes doing extra work for someone else, the women and men deserve maternity leave, as the women and men deserve extra pay for extra leave, but yes he should take it up with his employer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a fantastic post - showing exactly who women who to avoid meeting......"

Were you planning on using the forums to get pregnant?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a fantastic post - showing exactly who women who to avoid meeting......

Were you planning on using the forums to get pregnant?"

Haha.. great question

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?"

Look upon them as future tax payers who will pay for your full time care and nappies when you have come full circle?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You know a man is probably involved right? You are helping him aswell!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why do ppl need to make more babies?!

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

You know the world has gone mad when an employer takes the opportunity of women going on maternity leave to extract more work from his workers for the same pay and the workers blame the women, not the employer...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You know the world has gone mad when an employer takes the opportunity of women going on maternity leave to extract more work from his workers for the same pay and the workers blame the women, not the employer... "

That it! Thread closed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Absolutely !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Surely it's up to the firm to get temporary cover in?

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By *uiet LightMan over a year ago

Hove

"It sounds like the employer was at fault. Everywhere I've ever worked they have employed temporary staff to cover maternity leave. "

I think this is the main issue. Many employers, especially large ones like mine, don't hire enough staff to adequately cover things like maternity leave, sickness and holidays. Instead staff are told to get on with things, and to make do. It's penny-pinching from companies, many of whom are posting enormous profits. Simultaneously, I think there is an untold cost to society in resultant stress-related ill health.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?

Look upon them as future tax payers who will pay for your full time care and nappies when you have come full circle?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It sounds like the employer was at fault. Everywhere I've ever worked they have employed temporary staff to cover maternity leave.

Hey, Jeremy Corbyn

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Playing to the gallery here, good work mate, get the ladies on your side!

So, only women are allowed to state the case for maternity leave. Righto.

"I think it’s unfair. I don’t want kids but 12 months off paid would be great.

Can I get caternity leave if I get some more kitties?"

If you get a job with BrewDog, anywhere in the world, you’ll get a week’s paid leave if you get a new dog.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No, the unfair part is when companies dump all the future mother's work on other colleagues rather than take on a temporary replacement. That said, I have never had children but would love to have had two or three paid sabbaticals to pursue my interests

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By *oodnitegirlWoman over a year ago

Yorkshire

I’m just imagining a Chinese woman reading this thread in a paddy field thinking ‘yes whatever, f’ing lightweights’!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m just imagining a Chinese woman reading this thread in a paddy field thinking ‘yes whatever, f’ing lightweights’!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Absofukinlutely

xxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It sounds like the employer was at fault. Everywhere I've ever worked they have employed temporary staff to cover maternity leave.

And then they realise that hey look you all manage just fine, perhaps we never needed that many staff anyway.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Playing to the gallery here, good work mate, get the ladies on your side!

So, only women are allowed to state the case for maternity leave. Righto.

See the winky face, I wasn’t being serious!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’m just imagining a Chinese woman reading this thread in a paddy field thinking ‘yes whatever, f’ing lightweights’!

A baby hanging from each tit, dropping clots every metre or so.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

should he be penalised for other people wanting kids? i think its fair women get paid maternity leave, women and men deserve it, but he should be compensated if hes doing extra work no?

Should have complained to the boss then shouldn't he?

I’m not one to make a scene! "

Then don't complain on here about something you aren't prepared to resolve with your employer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Agreed.

The problem lies with the stingy employer who doesn’t want to employ people on a temporary basis to fill the gaps.

Surely that’s obvious? I guess not, reading this post.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

My partners daughter goes back in september after a year of maternity leave. Then they have a creche on site

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

should he be penalised for other people wanting kids? i think its fair women get paid maternity leave, women and men deserve it, but he should be compensated if hes doing extra work no?

Should have complained to the boss then shouldn't he?

I’m not one to make a scene!

Then don't complain on here about something you aren't prepared to resolve with your employer. "

I forgot to add the winky face, yes words were exchanged and views aired. Where did I complain on here, I merely asked the question to engage in discussion on said topic.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

One woman came back for maternity leave, then got pregnant again and was off again. She didn’t do much when she was there, apart from complain it was to cold all the time, I was glad of the break to be honest from here moaning.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I see you are having a great time today Impala

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By *ackhammerJay30Man over a year ago

walsall /Aldridge

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child? "

Totally agree I personally think maternity leave should be longer xx

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

Totally agree I personally think maternity leave should be longer xx "

You working with a woman who always moans about the cold as well buddy ?

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By *ackhammerJay30Man over a year ago

walsall /Aldridge

Yes I work in a very busy office and I try and respect everyone

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It sounds like the employer was at fault. Everywhere I've ever worked they have employed temporary staff to cover maternity leave. "

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Yes I work in a very busy office and I try and respect everyone "

If we don’t have respect, we have nothing. A great man once said.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes I work in a very busy office and I try and respect everyone

If we don’t have respect, we have nothing. A great man once said. Bananaman. "

Aww thank you mate

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By *uiet LightMan over a year ago

Hove

"Hey, Jeremy Corbyn "

Alright Donald mate, how you doing ?

That recent immigrant problem you had clearing up?

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By *ervent_fervourMan over a year ago

Halifax

It IS the fault of the company you work for not providing adequate cover.

It's not like they wouldn't have had six months plus notice that this was gonna happen or anything..

Equal rights, innit. And thank god for that.

Playing to the gallery here, good work mate, get the ladies on your side!

Oh, tame..

Just what I think fella. Not my fault if you want people's opinions.

I'm male; I have a voice too!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hey, Jeremy Corbyn

Alright Donald mate, how you doing ?

That recent immigrant problem you had clearing up?

I’m coming to the UK on Friday the 13 of July

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?"

Just remember, when you are old those kids will be working and paying for your pension and services

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?"

OP, with spelling like that, your previous job clearly wasn't in a publishing house. I think that your statement is inflammatory, and very very ill informed. I don't think this is the time or the place.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As far as threads go just to try get a reaction.....pretty poor attempt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As far as threads go just to try get a reaction.....pretty poor attempt "

Hahahahahahahahaha..

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?

You’ve not heard of ‘tongue n cheek’or a ‘camera timer’ then mate ? As for the spelling I can only apologise profusely, I hope I haven’t offended you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"As far as threads go just to try get a reaction.....pretty poor attempt "

Still had to comment though didn’t you ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?

You’ve not heard of ‘tongue n cheek’or a ‘camera timer’ then mate ? As for the spelling I can only apologise profusely, I hope I haven’t offended you. "

Are you saying that you are sorry?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

Totally agree I personally think maternity leave should be longer xx

You working with a woman who always moans about the cold as well buddy ?"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

I know it is not legal, but some companies don't take on women in case they become pregnant."

i heard of a case where a woman went for a job , soon as the contract was signed she told the employer ' by the way i am pregnant so will be off on leave soon' she hid the bump from him

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

I know it is not legal, but some companies don't take on women in case they become pregnant.

When I used to go for job interviews in the seventies they used to ask me when or if I planned to have children.

I remember in the eighties being turned down for a job because two other mums worked there and the manager told me they were problem enough, he didn't want another one.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Playing to the gallery here, good work mate, get the ladies on your side!

So, only women are allowed to state the case for maternity leave. Righto.

See the winky face, I wasn’t being serious!

Your posting history suggests that your winky-smilies and grins are a transparent attempt to deflect criticism when you make controversial statements you later claim you don’t believe, just to get a reaction.

I wonder if there’s a name for that sort of behaviour...

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman over a year ago

little house on the praire

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

I know it is not legal, but some companies don't take on women in case they become pregnant.

i heard of a case where a woman went for a job , soon as the contract was signed she told the employer ' by the way i am pregnant so will be off on leave soon' she hid the bump from him "
i was pregnant when i got a job. Thing is i didnt know i was pregnant.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?"

Does it dawn on you that children belong to the state and not the parents and that without new people society stops ?

Most women don't 'choose' to have children. They don't get themselves pregnant and it's not an easy ride.

If you feel put out lay the blame on your employers and not the women who simply acted within their rights.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

"The length of paid maternity leave is a joke.

Very generous. They should plop it out on the production line.

If it bounces they keep it. If it doesn't ..... weeeelllllllll they can always have another one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Playing to the gallery here, good work mate, get the ladies on your side!

So, only women are allowed to state the case for maternity leave. Righto.

See the winky face, I wasn’t being serious!

I wonder if there’s a name for that sort of behaviour..."

Well you’re an authority on everything, I’m sure you can tell me!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you could cope with three members of staff absent for a good few months then I reckon you had too many people anyway. But yes, it’s fair, everybody is entitled to it so how is it not fair. If you choose not to have kids then you choose to forfeit maternity leave as a result.

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple over a year ago

South Wales

So this thread has made you look attractive OP. The ladies will be beating a path to your door.

Or maybe not.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"So this thread has made you look attractive OP. The ladies will be beating a path to your door.

Or maybe not."

Yeah, you said the same thing in another of my threads. Yep, really struggling on that front, lean time in the Impala household.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm all for equal rights. But pregnancy is one area where rights are most definitely not equal. The rights are all women's. And I'm not complaining or saying I disagree with the way it is, just that that's the way it is. If a man gets a woman pregnant and doesn't want to keep the child, it is irrelevant as the choice to keep it is up to the mother. And if he wants to keep it but the woman doesn't, then again his wishes are irrelevant as the choice is up to the woman. Like I said, I'm not sure I've made my mind up either way about what should be the case, but most, if not all, reproductive rights are not equal between the sexes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is maternity leave fair.

Yes.

End of

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Very selfish behaviour from the three women involved.

You'd have thought they could have popped the baby out during a lunch break and been back at work straight after without causing any inconvenience to you.

Have you tried reporting them to HR ?"

Terribly selfish. I took two weeks holiday from my job instead of maternity leave. It didn't break my heart to leave a tiny baby to go back to work at all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So this thread has made you look attractive OP. The ladies will be beating a path to your door.

Or maybe not."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm all for equal rights. But pregnancy is one area where rights are most definitely not equal. The rights are all women's. And I'm not complaining or saying I disagree with the way it is, just that that's the way it is. If a man gets a woman pregnant and doesn't want to keep the child, it is irrelevant as the choice to keep it is up to the mother. And if he wants to keep it but the woman doesn't, then again his wishes are irrelevant as the choice is up to the woman. Like I said, I'm not sure I've made my mind up either way about what should be the case, but most, if not all, reproductive rights are not equal between the sexes."

And nor should they be, a man should not be in a position where he can force a woman to have a baby, the woman carries the baby and it’s her body, I reckon it’s right the way it is. You’d end up with spiteful men forcing the pregnancy and then saying up yours after the birth and leaving mother and baby stranded.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why would they be. The woman has to carty the child inside her for the pregnanch term. I, or the male in question can still go down the pub get pissed and pretty much do as they want.

Is it just me?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Bad spelling sorry

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Why do ppl need to make more babies?! "

I'll answer this if you tell me how you intend to fund your lifestyle once you can no longer work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?

Does it dawn on you that children belong to the state and not the parents and that without new people society stops ?

Most women don't 'choose' to have children. They don't get themselves pregnant and it's not an easy ride.

If you feel put out lay the blame on your employers and not the women who simply acted within their rights. "

Most women don't 'choose' to have children?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When men carry the baby and give birth it might equal up a bit ?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?

Does it dawn on you that children belong to the state and not the parents and that without new people society stops ?

Most women don't 'choose' to have children. They don't get themselves pregnant and it's not an easy ride.

If you feel put out lay the blame on your employers and not the women who simply acted within their rights.

Most women don't 'choose' to have children? "

In america, they debate whether women should have maternity leave at all. I'd say that a best line of argument against that view is why should people without children free ride off the benefits of people who do?

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By *loswingersCouple over a year ago

Gloucester

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?

Does it dawn on you that children belong to the state and not the parents and that without new people society stops ?

Most women don't 'choose' to have children. They don't get themselves pregnant and it's not an easy ride.

If you feel put out lay the blame on your employers and not the women who simply acted within their rights.

Most women don't 'choose' to have children? "

Do they not ?

Are you saying most women have children without a choice in the matter ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum."

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum."

Perhaps if you do....or even if the answer is not yet....your views may change when they are the most important people in your world.

Or maybe trolling is not always such a good idea?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?

Does it dawn on you that children belong to the state and not the parents and that without new people society stops ?

Most women don't 'choose' to have children. They don't get themselves pregnant and it's not an easy ride.

If you feel put out lay the blame on your employers and not the women who simply acted within their rights.

Most women don't 'choose' to have children?

Do they not ?

Are you saying most women have children without a choice in the matter ?"

I thought that's what Granny meant, hence my post. Surely most women *do* choose. Only 'some' don't choose.

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By *he Regina PhalangeWoman over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Mattress Tester

Ok, apart from that one! "

Pyjama model!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Perhaps if you do....or even if the answer is not yet....your views may change when they are the most important people in your world.

Or maybe trolling is not always such a good idea? "

Why is he trolling? The OP was a fair question.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mattress Tester

Ok, apart from that one!

Pyjama model!"

Great minds....I was just about to post that

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By *he Regina PhalangeWoman over a year ago

Lanarkshire

Mattress Tester

Ok, apart from that one!

Pyjama model!

Great minds....I was just about to post that

bet you!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OP was on my hotlist .... Not very hot anymore

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By *windon2014Man over a year ago

Swindon

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum."

It is a valid question though. Just out of interest, would you use paternity leave if you could? And if so, is it your job to worry about the slack your colleagues would have to pick up? I’d say that would be down to the employer to resolve more than anything else?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Perhaps if you do....or even if the answer is not yet....your views may change when they are the most important people in your world.

Or maybe trolling is not always such a good idea? "

Why when you disagree with someone, is that trolling, are people not allowed different opinions ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Perhaps if you do....or even if the answer is not yet....your views may change when they are the most important people in your world.

Or maybe trolling is not always such a good idea?

Why when you disagree with someone, is that trolling, are people not allowed different opinions ?"

If you don’t agree with me, you are a troll

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP? "

I think 6 months is a fair amount of time for maternity leave, providing the baby is healthy obviously. I would question that 52 weeks might be excessive. Also I’m not sure that it’s fair that the male is only allocated 2 weeks of this time.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

At 6 months, a babies primary food source should still be breast milk. 9 months is considerably better for the baby.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Men should stop getting women pregnant.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"OP was on my hotlist .... Not very hot anymore

If I’ve learned anything from this thread, it’s that I used to be on someone’s hotlist once!

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Men should stop getting women pregnant."

Yeah, spunky buggers!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Your company could have hired 3 people to cover the maternity leave. It's good for those who've not had a job before to get some experience and something to put on their c.v"

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Your company could have hired 3 people to cover the maternity leave. It's good for those who've not had a job before to get some experience and something to put on their c.v

Plus when the ladies come back they have to find another job, win, win.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Men should stop getting women pregnant."

women should stop trapping men...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

"Ok, let's flip the questions why should a woman be penalised wanting a child?

I know it is not legal, but some companies don't take on women in case they become pregnant.

When I used to go for job interviews in the seventies they used to ask me when or if I planned to have children.

I have a who works in employment law, he had to get forceful with a client when they wanted to sack a pregnant woman.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Then after there leave they waltzed back in after there paid holiday.

If you choice to have children, is it fair that everyone else has to cover for you, then make way when you return to work ?"

Don't men get paternity leave?

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I think women should get a year off work at full pay for having a baby. The responsibility is more than money can pay for.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish."

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Men should stop getting women pregnant.

women should stop trapping men...

Men shouldn't be so easy to trap.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Well you’re an authority on everything, I’m sure you can tell me!"

Mature response. Good work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed"

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Well you’re an authority on everything, I’m sure you can tell me!

Mature response. Good work."

How’s that condescending, belittling people thing working out for you ?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage. "

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should"

What’s the percentage of men who can breastfeed?

Thanks in advance X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should"

Maybe they should but they don’t do they.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

Maybe they should but they don’t do they. "

80% do, hardly a low percentage.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

Maybe they should but they don’t do they.

80% do, hardly a low percentage. "

I don’t think women need to be told they should breastfeed. If they want to and they can then that’s fine. It is still their choice.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Men should stop getting women pregnant.

women should stop trapping men...

Men shouldn't be so easy to trap."

Most men will spunk in anything

That's why they're easy to trap

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Men should stop getting women pregnant.

women should stop trapping men...

Men shouldn't be so easy to trap.

Most men will spunk in anything

That's why they're easy to trap

True

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By *isaB45Woman over a year ago

Fabville

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

What’s the percentage of men who can breastfeed?

Thanks in advance X"

Firstly, women can, and do, become very ill in pregnancy and/ or childbirth. This can take months to recover from. If at all.

Even normal pregnancy/ birth takes a long time to recover from.

Secondly, babies can, and do, become ill in pregnancy and/ or birth. Again, if at all.

Thirdly, a child's physical, mental and phychological develpoment potential is massive during the first year. The evidence also shows that good bonding and attachment is protective against poor growth, delayed learning and behavioural problems.

So, the clinical evidence is there. What else do you need?

If your employers fail to cover maternity leave, that is for you to discuss with them..

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

Maybe they should but they don’t do they.

80% do, hardly a low percentage.

I don’t think women need to be told they should breastfeed. If they want to and they can then that’s fine. It is still their choice. "

There's no inherent good in choice.

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By *ink Panther.Woman over a year ago

Preston

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

Maybe they should but they don’t do they.

80% do, hardly a low percentage.

I don’t think women need to be told they should breastfeed. If they want to and they can then that’s fine. It is still their choice. "

That’s correct Babs, this month the RCM has changed it’s stance on bottle feeding.

The RCM believes that women should be at the centre of their own care and as with other areas of maternity care, midwives and maternity support workers should promote informed choice.

If, after being given appropriate information, advice and support on breastfeeding, a woman chooses not to do so, or to give formula as well as breastfeeding, her choice must be respected

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

Maybe they should but they don’t do they.

80% do, hardly a low percentage. "

I doubt it’s anywhere near 80%, certainly not long term. A lot of mothers do it for the first couple of weeks so the baby get all the main goodies and antibodies from the cholostrum and then move on to formula afterwards for the convenience. I’m no expert mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes. It's not nearly long enough.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

What’s the percentage of men who can breastfeed?

Thanks in advance X

Firstly, women can, and do, become very ill in pregnancy and/ or childbirth. This can take months to recover from. If at all.

Even normal pregnancy/ birth takes a long time to recover from.

Secondly, babies can, and do, become ill in pregnancy and/ or birth. Again, if at all.

So, the clinical evidence is there. What else do you need?

If your employers fail to cover maternity leave, that is for you to discuss with them.."

You didn’t see I said I think 9 months is fair for maternity leave, providing both the Mother and baby are healthy then ?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

Maybe they should but they don’t do they.

80% do, hardly a low percentage.

I don’t think women need to be told they should breastfeed. If they want to and they can then that’s fine. It is still their choice.

That’s correct Babs, this month the RCM has changed it’s stance on bottle feeding.

The RCM believes that women should be at the centre of their own care and as with other areas of maternity care, midwives and maternity support workers should promote informed choice.

If, after being given appropriate information, advice and support on breastfeeding, a woman chooses not to do so, or to give formula as well as breastfeeding, her choice must be respected

Quote from the RCM on May 11th 2018 "there is no doubt that the UK needs to improve its breast feeding rates". So they might say that to be PC, but it's obvious what they really think.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Think of the children!!

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By *rank n BettyCouple over a year ago

Not meeting

We had 6 pregnant at same time, babies all born within 4 months of each other. And when we all returned to work we had a lot of carried over annual leave to take too.

B x

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

Maybe they should but they don’t do they.

80% do, hardly a low percentage.

I don’t think women need to be told they should breastfeed. If they want to and they can then that’s fine. It is still their choice.

That’s correct Babs, this month the RCM has changed it’s stance on bottle feeding.

The RCM believes that women should be at the centre of their own care and as with other areas of maternity care, midwives and maternity support workers should promote informed choice.

If, after being given appropriate information, advice and support on breastfeeding, a woman chooses not to do so, or to give formula as well as breastfeeding, her choice must be respected

Quite right too I think

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By *ink Panther.Woman over a year ago

Preston

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

Maybe they should but they don’t do they.

80% do, hardly a low percentage.

I don’t think women need to be told they should breastfeed. If they want to and they can then that’s fine. It is still their choice.

That’s correct Babs, this month the RCM has changed it’s stance on bottle feeding.

The RCM believes that women should be at the centre of their own care and as with other areas of maternity care, midwives and maternity support workers should promote informed choice.

If, after being given appropriate information, advice and support on breastfeeding, a woman chooses not to do so, or to give formula as well as breastfeeding, her choice must be respected

Quote from the RCM on May 11th 2018 "there is no doubt that the UK needs to improve its breast feeding rates". So they might say that to be PC, but it's obvious what they really think. "

Unfortunately there isn’t the funding to support breastfeeding in the community that is why such a large women stop so quickly. There is more to it than being PC, the biggest factor being the mental health of the woman that are unable to breastfeed. The perception of less pressure to breastfeed on new mothers is likely to help mothers to relax and hopefully increase breastfeeding rates

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Children are our future....that goes for both men and women....

Do you have kids OP?

Not willing to give out that information on a public forum.

Plus it's irrelevant. So did any of the comments make you change your position on the matter OP?

I believe maternity leave can now be split equally between the mother and father if they so wish.

But pointless though unless men can breast feed

Not all mothers breast feed, in fact it’s quite a low percentage.

Over 90% of women can and anyone that can, should

Maybe they should but they don’t do they.

80% do, hardly a low percentage. "

If the RCM are saying the uk needs to improve its breastfeeding rates then I very much doubt its as high as 80% as you say. Bit of a contradiction don’t you think.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

""Well you’re an authority on everything, I’m sure you can tell me!

Mature response. Good work."

How’s that condescending, belittling people thing working out for you ?"

Another mature response. I like to address the points people make in discussions. If their argument is based on something factually wrong, I’ll correct it. If you read belittling and condescension, that’s you ascribing tone, not me. I do my best to address what people say in their posts, not who I think they are, even when the fail to extend me the same courtesy.

As for how it’s working out? I’ve made some lovely friends who I chat to, both on and off site. Thank you for your concern.

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