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"No I think he’s ace You can tell the lads worship him and want to play for him. I agree with everything he says " You think last nights game was good? | |||
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"No I think he’s ace You can tell the lads worship him and want to play for him. I agree with everything he says You think last nights game was good? " Absolutely We won | |||
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"No I think he’s ace You can tell the lads worship him and want to play for him. I agree with everything he says You think last nights game was good? " I thought we did OK until we gifted them a penalty. We started really well, I suspect too well. We need to work on game management, having a plan B and making the right substitutions at the right time. | |||
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"No I think he’s ace You can tell the lads worship him and want to play for him. I agree with everything he says You think last nights game was good? I thought we did OK until we gifted them a penalty. We started really well, I suspect too well. We need to work on game management, having a plan B and making the right substitutions at the right time." Agree with all of this analysis | |||
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"No I think he’s ace You can tell the lads worship him and want to play for him. I agree with everything he says You think last nights game was good? Absolutely We won" England haven't won a knock out game in 12 years. Easy group games are where you need to convert what's done on the training pitch, into practice and they failed miserably to do that. | |||
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"No I think he’s ace You can tell the lads worship him and want to play for him. I agree with everything he says You think last nights game was good? I thought we did OK until we gifted them a penalty. We started really well, I suspect too well. We need to work on game management, having a plan B and making the right substitutions at the right time. Agree with all of this analysis " | |||
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"He's not delusional, just happy that we have actually made the whole process of getting out of the group by actually winning our first game for yonks a whole lot easier. Admittedly we weren't at our best by a long chalk, but this is a young side that had never played together as a starting XI. A bit of praise where it's due only instills confidence, and things should only get better " Literally the shittest group in the competition (with the possible exception of group A). Is this the bigotry of low expectations? | |||
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"No I think he’s ace You can tell the lads worship him and want to play for him. I agree with everything he says You think last nights game was good? Absolutely We won England haven't won a knock out game in 12 years. Easy group games are where you need to convert what's done on the training pitch, into practice and they failed miserably to do that. " They've only played one knockout game in 12 years. | |||
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"That's a great book title !" "Gareth Southgates low expectations" A boring defender travels to Russia and attempts to put crowds to sleep with the most conservative football imaginable | |||
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"No I think he’s ace You can tell the lads worship him and want to play for him. I agree with everything he says You think last nights game was good? Absolutely We won England haven't won a knock out game in 12 years. Easy group games are where you need to convert what's done on the training pitch, into practice and they failed miserably to do that. They've only played one knockout game in 12 years." Lol! That's even worse | |||
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"At what point would you be happy with him? It’s apparently the worst job in football and he’s doing it well so far, results speak for themselves." I would just like to see the team playing with some kind of stratgey that utilises the best players (i.e. kane). It wouldn't really bother me if they made some mistakes as they tried to execute, but i just didn't see any strategy last night. If you did then I'm all ears? I want to be wrong! | |||
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"No I think he’s ace You can tell the lads worship him and want to play for him. I agree with everything he says You think last nights game was good? Absolutely We won England haven't won a knock out game in 12 years. Easy group games are where you need to convert what's done on the training pitch, into practice and they failed miserably to do that. They've only played one knockout game in 12 years. Lol! That's even worse " Roy Hodgson happened. | |||
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"Dunno we created enough to win easy just wastefull" We had 18 shots, generally it's 9 shots to 1 goal. So basically we created what you'd expect to get 2 goals, which we did. Some of our defenders aren't even starters for their clubs so we should expect to conceed 1. We should really beat a team like Tunisia by more than 1 goal. | |||
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"Dunno we created enough to win easy just wastefull We had 18 shots, generally it's 9 shots to 1 goal. So basically we created what you'd expect to get 2 goals, which we did. Some of our defenders aren't even starters for their clubs so we should expect to conceed 1. We should really beat a team like Tunisia by more than 1 goal. " Its not all about stats its played on a field its about quality chances we didnt finish Stirling tap in lingard missed 2 great oppotunitys stones kicked his standing foot goal gaping Biggest issue i have is dele ali I have no understanding of why everyone rates him so high he may as well been redcarded none factor in almost every england game kane makes him look good at spurs simple time to play the young lad | |||
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"Dunno we created enough to win easy just wastefull We had 18 shots, generally it's 9 shots to 1 goal. So basically we created what you'd expect to get 2 goals, which we did. Some of our defenders aren't even starters for their clubs so we should expect to conceed 1. We should really beat a team like Tunisia by more than 1 goal. Its not all about stats its played on a field its about quality chances we didnt finish Stirling tap in lingard missed 2 great oppotunitys stones kicked his standing foot goal gaping Biggest issue i have is dele ali I have no understanding of why everyone rates him so high he may as well been redcarded none factor in almost every england game kane makes him look good at spurs simple time to play the young lad " Fair points | |||
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"I think they will get better as the tournament goes on. The team is pretty young and inexperienced, and last night was the biggest game of their careers so far (at international level). In the past, that game would probably have ended up a draw. They won without playing particularly well, which not many teams do. " Good point, well made | |||
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"The game is not to peak to early, bit like shooting your bolt five minutes into a meet, most won't recover from that... " Ha ha, but you have also got to get it up before you can get serious! Maybe england had stage fright and wanted to do 90 minutes of foreplay? | |||
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"The game is not to peak to early, bit like shooting your bolt five minutes into a meet, most won't recover from that... Ha ha, but you have also got to get it up before you can get serious! Maybe england had stage fright and wanted to do 90 minutes of foreplay? " From what I have seen, they got the job done against the odds if you count the reffing inadequacies... | |||
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"He's not delusional, just happy that we have actually made the whole process of getting out of the group by actually winning our first game for yonks a whole lot easier. Admittedly we weren't at our best by a long chalk, but this is a young side that had never played together as a starting XI. A bit of praise where it's due only instills confidence, and things should only get better " Well said | |||
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"At what point would you be happy with him? It’s apparently the worst job in football and he’s doing it well so far, results speak for themselves. I would just like to see the team playing with some kind of stratgey that utilises the best players (i.e. kane). It wouldn't really bother me if they made some mistakes as they tried to execute, but i just didn't see any strategy last night. If you did then I'm all ears? I want to be wrong!" I know what you mean about playing the best players in their best positions. I recall Kane being tasked with taking corners under Southgate's predesessor. What feckin madness was that? | |||
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"I think football has moved on a lot from the days when you can expect the traditional 'big' teams to easily defeat the 'lesser' teams. Tunisia aren't a joke, they're 21st in the world rankings (England are 12th). They've decently drawn with Portugal and only narrowly lost to Spain. And then we see Switzerland and Iceland holding Brazil and Argentina. A smaller team can achieve a lot with modern fitness and professionalism, and stout defending, and a bit of luck. " Those rankings are a joke. Russia are 70th and saudi arabia are 66th. Did you see what happened when they played? | |||
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"I think football has moved on a lot from the days when you can expect the traditional 'big' teams to easily defeat the 'lesser' teams. Tunisia aren't a joke, they're 21st in the world rankings (England are 12th). They've decently drawn with Portugal and only narrowly lost to Spain. And then we see Switzerland and Iceland holding Brazil and Argentina. A smaller team can achieve a lot with modern fitness and professionalism, and stout defending, and a bit of luck. Those rankings are a joke. Russia are 70th and saudi arabia are 66th. Did you see what happened when they played?" It's often bugger all to do with rankings and like for like talent, in a big tournament, it's about the will to win, teamwork, injuries going in, injuries during, refereeing and a bit of luck.... Your example demonstrates that pretty well. | |||
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"I think football has moved on a lot from the days when you can expect the traditional 'big' teams to easily defeat the 'lesser' teams. Tunisia aren't a joke, they're 21st in the world rankings (England are 12th). They've decently drawn with Portugal and only narrowly lost to Spain. And then we see Switzerland and Iceland holding Brazil and Argentina. A smaller team can achieve a lot with modern fitness and professionalism, and stout defending, and a bit of luck. Those rankings are a joke. Russia are 70th and saudi arabia are 66th. Did you see what happened when they played? It's often bugger all to do with rankings and like for like talent, in a big tournament, it's about the will to win, teamwork, injuries going in, injuries during, refereeing and a bit of luck.... Your example demonstrates that pretty well. " I don't know exactly how they calculate those rankings, but i doubt it's very clever. You often see commentators saying "this team is unbeated in 12" games or something. Then you look at who they have played and think "well yeah, most championship sides would be unbeated against that lot too". There's no way Russia should have been 70th to start with. | |||
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"I think football has moved on a lot from the days when you can expect the traditional 'big' teams to easily defeat the 'lesser' teams. Tunisia aren't a joke, they're 21st in the world rankings (England are 12th). They've decently drawn with Portugal and only narrowly lost to Spain. And then we see Switzerland and Iceland holding Brazil and Argentina. A smaller team can achieve a lot with modern fitness and professionalism, and stout defending, and a bit of luck. Those rankings are a joke. Russia are 70th and saudi arabia are 66th. Did you see what happened when they played? It's often bugger all to do with rankings and like for like talent, in a big tournament, it's about the will to win, teamwork, injuries going in, injuries during, refereeing and a bit of luck.... Your example demonstrates that pretty well. " Fifa rankings are a joke; they’re based around competitive matches and the quality of the opposition that you face. Smaller teams playing higher ranked teams more frequently (like in the copa d’america and ACoN) will rise faster and higher even if they lose. Friendlies count for less and if you play lower ranked teams frequently your ranking can go down. | |||
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"I think football has moved on a lot from the days when you can expect the traditional 'big' teams to easily defeat the 'lesser' teams. Tunisia aren't a joke, they're 21st in the world rankings (England are 12th). They've decently drawn with Portugal and only narrowly lost to Spain. And then we see Switzerland and Iceland holding Brazil and Argentina. A smaller team can achieve a lot with modern fitness and professionalism, and stout defending, and a bit of luck. Those rankings are a joke. Russia are 70th and saudi arabia are 66th. Did you see what happened when they played? It's often bugger all to do with rankings and like for like talent, in a big tournament, it's about the will to win, teamwork, injuries going in, injuries during, refereeing and a bit of luck.... Your example demonstrates that pretty well. I don't know exactly how they calculate those rankings, but i doubt it's very clever. You often see commentators saying "this team is unbeated in 12" games or something. Then you look at who they have played and think "well yeah, most championship sides would be unbeated against that lot too". There's no way Russia should have been 70th to start with. " I think they use monkeys and beads...... I thin Russia just might be a bit higher now. | |||
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"I think football has moved on a lot from the days when you can expect the traditional 'big' teams to easily defeat the 'lesser' teams. Tunisia aren't a joke, they're 21st in the world rankings (England are 12th). They've decently drawn with Portugal and only narrowly lost to Spain. And then we see Switzerland and Iceland holding Brazil and Argentina. A smaller team can achieve a lot with modern fitness and professionalism, and stout defending, and a bit of luck. Those rankings are a joke. Russia are 70th and saudi arabia are 66th. Did you see what happened when they played? It's often bugger all to do with rankings and like for like talent, in a big tournament, it's about the will to win, teamwork, injuries going in, injuries during, refereeing and a bit of luck.... Your example demonstrates that pretty well. I don't know exactly how they calculate those rankings, but i doubt it's very clever. You often see commentators saying "this team is unbeated in 12" games or something. Then you look at who they have played and think "well yeah, most championship sides would be unbeated against that lot too". There's no way Russia should have been 70th to start with. " I was trying to listen to something on the radio the other day about the rankings but, there was a lot of background noise going on. The gist I got from it was some teams avoid playing friendlies in the build up to the big tournaments because they don't want to have a high ranking, it is seen as an advantage to have a lower ranking so, basically the rankings are being manipulated. Don't fully understand, like I said there was a lot of noise at the time. Can anyone shed light on this? | |||
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"I think football has moved on a lot from the days when you can expect the traditional 'big' teams to easily defeat the 'lesser' teams. Tunisia aren't a joke, they're 21st in the world rankings (England are 12th). They've decently drawn with Portugal and only narrowly lost to Spain. And then we see Switzerland and Iceland holding Brazil and Argentina. A smaller team can achieve a lot with modern fitness and professionalism, and stout defending, and a bit of luck. Those rankings are a joke. Russia are 70th and saudi arabia are 66th. Did you see what happened when they played? It's often bugger all to do with rankings and like for like talent, in a big tournament, it's about the will to win, teamwork, injuries going in, injuries during, refereeing and a bit of luck.... Your example demonstrates that pretty well. Fifa rankings are a joke; they’re based around competitive matches and the quality of the opposition that you face. Smaller teams playing higher ranked teams more frequently (like in the copa d’america and ACoN) will rise faster and higher even if they lose. Friendlies count for less and if you play lower ranked teams frequently your ranking can go down. " Scotland are ranked 42, the last time they won any game at any world cup was 1990 | |||
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"I think football has moved on a lot from the days when you can expect the traditional 'big' teams to easily defeat the 'lesser' teams. Tunisia aren't a joke, they're 21st in the world rankings (England are 12th). They've decently drawn with Portugal and only narrowly lost to Spain. And then we see Switzerland and Iceland holding Brazil and Argentina. A smaller team can achieve a lot with modern fitness and professionalism, and stout defending, and a bit of luck. Those rankings are a joke. Russia are 70th and saudi arabia are 66th. Did you see what happened when they played? It's often bugger all to do with rankings and like for like talent, in a big tournament, it's about the will to win, teamwork, injuries going in, injuries during, refereeing and a bit of luck.... Your example demonstrates that pretty well. Fifa rankings are a joke; they’re based around competitive matches and the quality of the opposition that you face. Smaller teams playing higher ranked teams more frequently (like in the copa d’america and ACoN) will rise faster and higher even if they lose. Friendlies count for less and if you play lower ranked teams frequently your ranking can go down. Scotland are ranked 42, the last time they won any game at any world cup was 1990 " Great isn't it. A team that's not even competing are ranked higher than a team that's topping their group and burying the teams they're playing. | |||
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"I think football has moved on a lot from the days when you can expect the traditional 'big' teams to easily defeat the 'lesser' teams. Tunisia aren't a joke, they're 21st in the world rankings (England are 12th). They've decently drawn with Portugal and only narrowly lost to Spain. And then we see Switzerland and Iceland holding Brazil and Argentina. A smaller team can achieve a lot with modern fitness and professionalism, and stout defending, and a bit of luck. Those rankings are a joke. Russia are 70th and saudi arabia are 66th. Did you see what happened when they played? It's often bugger all to do with rankings and like for like talent, in a big tournament, it's about the will to win, teamwork, injuries going in, injuries during, refereeing and a bit of luck.... Your example demonstrates that pretty well. Fifa rankings are a joke; they’re based around competitive matches and the quality of the opposition that you face. Smaller teams playing higher ranked teams more frequently (like in the copa d’america and ACoN) will rise faster and higher even if they lose. Friendlies count for less and if you play lower ranked teams frequently your ranking can go down. Scotland are ranked 42, the last time they won any game at any world cup was 1990 Great isn't it. A team that's not even competing are ranked higher than a team that's topping their group and burying the teams they're playing. " Russia’s ranking will be so low because they haven’t had to play competitive matches for two years, fewer points so their ranking tumbles | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game." Lol'ing. | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game. Lol'ing. " He reminds me of a set 5 teacher that is scared to say anything negative because he secretly knows none of his pupils have a snowballs chance in hell of getting any GCSEs in the first place. I imagine his pre-match talk saying: "Look guys, if we can get out of this group then we can lose the next game on penalties and go out with some dignity. We can say "oh penalties are 50:50, even though we've lost 87.5% of our shootouts...nobody will remember" | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game." I take it you’re not a fan of his then? To be honest I think so far he’s done the best that he can with the tiny pool of English players that he has to chose from. I thought initially he was a gamble but he seems to have grown into the role and is making his team and squad decisions based on his desire to build. I don’t hold much hope for our chances in the tournament as a whole but after the first game I saw positives. Long may that continue! | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game. I take it you’re not a fan of his then? To be honest I think so far he’s done the best that he can with the tiny pool of English players that he has to chose from. I thought initially he was a gamble but he seems to have grown into the role and is making his team and squad decisions based on his desire to build. I don’t hold much hope for our chances in the tournament as a whole but after the first game I saw positives. Long may that continue! " Tiny Pool You want to try being one of your neighbour's. I don't think Southgate is delusional. He's not made any claims from what I see. I think he's your best manager since Robson, he's not going to show you up like so many of the others have. What's delusional is the hype that comes with England, so far it's been kept low. Martin Keown did come out with a belt er during the first half though and it sounded like he puffed his chest out as I claimed (words to the effect of).... England are playing the best football seen at the tournament so far What a dickhead. You've got him to blame as other than the 2nd goal, it went downhill from there. Main thing is you won, it's almost the only thing that matters in a 6/7 game tournament | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game. I take it you’re not a fan of his then? To be honest I think so far he’s done the best that he can with the tiny pool of English players that he has to chose from. I thought initially he was a gamble but he seems to have grown into the role and is making his team and squad decisions based on his desire to build. I don’t hold much hope for our chances in the tournament as a whole but after the first game I saw positives. Long may that continue! Tiny Pool You want to try being one of your neighbour's. I don't think Southgate is delusional. He's not made any claims from what I see. I think he's your best manager since Robson, he's not going to show you up like so many of the others have. What's delusional is the hype that comes with England, so far it's been kept low. Martin Keown did come out with a belt er during the first half though and it sounded like he puffed his chest out as I claimed (words to the effect of).... England are playing the best football seen at the tournament so far What a dickhead. You've got him to blame as other than the 2nd goal, it went downhill from there. Main thing is you won, it's almost the only thing that matters in a 6/7 game tournament" Exactly! Look at Portugal’s journey to the Euro win, they stuttered and clawed their way through. Now it’s seen as an example of a great team winning somehow... The end result will always put the journey into context | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game. I take it you’re not a fan of his then? To be honest I think so far he’s done the best that he can with the tiny pool of English players that he has to chose from. I thought initially he was a gamble but he seems to have grown into the role and is making his team and squad decisions based on his desire to build. I don’t hold much hope for our chances in the tournament as a whole but after the first game I saw positives. Long may that continue! " I don't have anything against him, I'm just going by what i saw on the pitch. Defensively you could say there were positives but attacking wise, i thought it was dire. I agree he has a limited pool, but england managers always will because that's the way the league is designed. So you fit the tactics around the players you have. | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game. I take it you’re not a fan of his then? To be honest I think so far he’s done the best that he can with the tiny pool of English players that he has to chose from. I thought initially he was a gamble but he seems to have grown into the role and is making his team and squad decisions based on his desire to build. I don’t hold much hope for our chances in the tournament as a whole but after the first game I saw positives. Long may that continue! Tiny Pool You want to try being one of your neighbour's. I don't think Southgate is delusional. He's not made any claims from what I see. I think he's your best manager since Robson, he's not going to show you up like so many of the others have. What's delusional is the hype that comes with England, so far it's been kept low. Martin Keown did come out with a belt er during the first half though and it sounded like he puffed his chest out as I claimed (words to the effect of).... England are playing the best football seen at the tournament so far What a dickhead. You've got him to blame as other than the 2nd goal, it went downhill from there. Main thing is you won, it's almost the only thing that matters in a 6/7 game tournament" At the point keown said that in the first half i actually agreed with him. We had more energy than any team so far and we were more of a threat than many others. Maybe we had too much energy and excitement and just burnt out? But youre right....its a 90 minute game. 30 mins of decent football will get nobody far | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game. I take it you’re not a fan of his then? To be honest I think so far he’s done the best that he can with the tiny pool of English players that he has to chose from. I thought initially he was a gamble but he seems to have grown into the role and is making his team and squad decisions based on his desire to build. I don’t hold much hope for our chances in the tournament as a whole but after the first game I saw positives. Long may that continue! Tiny Pool You want to try being one of your neighbour's. I don't think Southgate is delusional. He's not made any claims from what I see. I think he's your best manager since Robson, he's not going to show you up like so many of the others have. What's delusional is the hype that comes with England, so far it's been kept low. Martin Keown did come out with a belt er during the first half though and it sounded like he puffed his chest out as I claimed (words to the effect of).... England are playing the best football seen at the tournament so far What a dickhead. You've got him to blame as other than the 2nd goal, it went downhill from there. Main thing is you won, it's almost the only thing that matters in a 6/7 game tournament At the point keown said that in the first half i actually agreed with him. We had more energy than any team so far and we were more of a threat than many others. Maybe we had too much energy and excitement and just burnt out? But youre right....its a 90 minute game. 30 mins of decent football will get nobody far" England were playing very well. So much better than other tournaments over the last decade. However I still think; Spain, Portugal, Mexico had all played better. Take into account the first two were against each other. | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game. I take it you’re not a fan of his then? To be honest I think so far he’s done the best that he can with the tiny pool of English players that he has to chose from. I thought initially he was a gamble but he seems to have grown into the role and is making his team and squad decisions based on his desire to build. I don’t hold much hope for our chances in the tournament as a whole but after the first game I saw positives. Long may that continue! Tiny Pool You want to try being one of your neighbour's. I don't think Southgate is delusional. He's not made any claims from what I see. I think he's your best manager since Robson, he's not going to show you up like so many of the others have. What's delusional is the hype that comes with England, so far it's been kept low. Martin Keown did come out with a belt er during the first half though and it sounded like he puffed his chest out as I claimed (words to the effect of).... England are playing the best football seen at the tournament so far What a dickhead. You've got him to blame as other than the 2nd goal, it went downhill from there. Main thing is you won, it's almost the only thing that matters in a 6/7 game tournament Exactly! Look at Portugal’s journey to the Euro win, they stuttered and clawed their way through. Now it’s seen as an example of a great team winning somehow... The end result will always put the journey into context" I've seen so many teams bobble along, not setting the world alight but end up lifting the trophy. France, Germany, Spain, Greece. Same with Champions League, Real Madrid just getting through the group stage then not loosing another game. | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game. I take it you’re not a fan of his then? To be honest I think so far he’s done the best that he can with the tiny pool of English players that he has to chose from. I thought initially he was a gamble but he seems to have grown into the role and is making his team and squad decisions based on his desire to build. I don’t hold much hope for our chances in the tournament as a whole but after the first game I saw positives. Long may that continue! Tiny Pool You want to try being one of your neighbour's. I don't think Southgate is delusional. He's not made any claims from what I see. I think he's your best manager since Robson, he's not going to show you up like so many of the others have. What's delusional is the hype that comes with England, so far it's been kept low. Martin Keown did come out with a belt er during the first half though and it sounded like he puffed his chest out as I claimed (words to the effect of).... England are playing the best football seen at the tournament so far What a dickhead. You've got him to blame as other than the 2nd goal, it went downhill from there. Main thing is you won, it's almost the only thing that matters in a 6/7 game tournament Exactly! Look at Portugal’s journey to the Euro win, they stuttered and clawed their way through. Now it’s seen as an example of a great team winning somehow... The end result will always put the journey into context I've seen so many teams bobble along, not setting the world alight but end up lifting the trophy. France, Germany, Spain, Greece. Same with Champions League, Real Madrid just getting through the group stage then not loosing another game. Teams need to peak at the right time. But they also need to have something to peak at. " What's that mean? | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game. I take it you’re not a fan of his then? To be honest I think so far he’s done the best that he can with the tiny pool of English players that he has to chose from. I thought initially he was a gamble but he seems to have grown into the role and is making his team and squad decisions based on his desire to build. I don’t hold much hope for our chances in the tournament as a whole but after the first game I saw positives. Long may that continue! Tiny Pool You want to try being one of your neighbour's. I don't think Southgate is delusional. He's not made any claims from what I see. I think he's your best manager since Robson, he's not going to show you up like so many of the others have. What's delusional is the hype that comes with England, so far it's been kept low. Martin Keown did come out with a belt er during the first half though and it sounded like he puffed his chest out as I claimed (words to the effect of).... England are playing the best football seen at the tournament so far What a dickhead. You've got him to blame as other than the 2nd goal, it went downhill from there. Main thing is you won, it's almost the only thing that matters in a 6/7 game tournament Exactly! Look at Portugal’s journey to the Euro win, they stuttered and clawed their way through. Now it’s seen as an example of a great team winning somehow... The end result will always put the journey into context I've seen so many teams bobble along, not setting the world alight but end up lifting the trophy. France, Germany, Spain, Greece. Same with Champions League, Real Madrid just getting through the group stage then not loosing another game. Teams need to peak at the right time. But they also need to have something to peak at. What's that mean?" Peaking refers to the optimal execution of a strategy. But that assumes there is a viable strategy. If you teach a tennis player to serve, then their technique will peak at some point after enough training. But if you just stick a kid on a tennis court and tell them to hit balls however they want, then they'll plateau indefinately. | |||
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"I think the real test of whether he's delusional or not is whether he names an unchanged starting line up for the next game. I take it you’re not a fan of his then? To be honest I think so far he’s done the best that he can with the tiny pool of English players that he has to chose from. I thought initially he was a gamble but he seems to have grown into the role and is making his team and squad decisions based on his desire to build. I don’t hold much hope for our chances in the tournament as a whole but after the first game I saw positives. Long may that continue! Tiny Pool You want to try being one of your neighbour's. I don't think Southgate is delusional. He's not made any claims from what I see. I think he's your best manager since Robson, he's not going to show you up like so many of the others have. What's delusional is the hype that comes with England, so far it's been kept low. Martin Keown did come out with a belt er during the first half though and it sounded like he puffed his chest out as I claimed (words to the effect of).... England are playing the best football seen at the tournament so far What a dickhead. You've got him to blame as other than the 2nd goal, it went downhill from there. Main thing is you won, it's almost the only thing that matters in a 6/7 game tournament Exactly! Look at Portugal’s journey to the Euro win, they stuttered and clawed their way through. Now it’s seen as an example of a great team winning somehow... The end result will always put the journey into context I've seen so many teams bobble along, not setting the world alight but end up lifting the trophy. France, Germany, Spain, Greece. Same with Champions League, Real Madrid just getting through the group stage then not loosing another game. Teams need to peak at the right time. But they also need to have something to peak at. What's that mean? Peaking refers to the optimal execution of a strategy. But that assumes there is a viable strategy. If you teach a tennis player to serve, then their technique will peak at some point after enough training. But if you just stick a kid on a tennis court and tell them to hit balls however they want, then they'll plateau indefinately. " England have something to peak at. Play your best game in the final lads - simple as that ain't it? wetter Southgate has sets target's we might not know but I bet his employers have. If it's anything less than WIN IT then something ain't right. If that is the case perhaps the press and public have every right to say the same thing. I get the example you offer but this is 11 tennis players all at the same time. | |||
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" England have something to peak at. Play your best game in the final lads - simple as that ain't it? wetter Southgate has sets target's we might not know but I bet his employers have. If it's anything less than WIN IT then something ain't right. If that is the case perhaps the press and public have every right to say the same thing. I get the example you offer but this is 11 tennis players all at the same time." I'm honestly not a football fan, but i am a sports fan and can understand sport strategy. How would you desribe England's strategy, because i really didn't see one. Delete the blanks: England will score by feeding the ball to *insert key goal scorer(s)*, by working the ball down the flank(s) / through the middle using direct passes/ long balls than exploit englands advantage in speed / fitness/ technique / strength. | |||
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" England have something to peak at. Play your best game in the final lads - simple as that ain't it? wetter Southgate has sets target's we might not know but I bet his employers have. If it's anything less than WIN IT then something ain't right. If that is the case perhaps the press and public have every right to say the same thing. I get the example you offer but this is 11 tennis players all at the same time. I'm honestly not a football fan, but i am a sports fan and can understand sport strategy. How would you desribe England's strategy, because i really didn't see one. Delete the blanks: England will score by feeding the ball to *insert key goal scorer(s)*, by working the ball down the flank(s) / through the middle using direct passes/ long balls than exploit englands advantage in speed / fitness/ technique / strength. " England's LB and RB to put the crosses in. Tunisia arnt an all out attack team and we're never going to be on Monday. That means to break them down you have to take the ball wide, this pulls their defence out and then you got gaps for the central midfielders to play through. Deli Ali to feed Kane through the middle. England pushed up, Tunisia pressed so the quick counter was on but not from as deep as Portugal. As the Tunisian's fitness dropped then use the pace of the bench. To me it looked like England found conditions hotter/more humid than expected and Tunisia didn't really run out of legs. | |||
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" England have something to peak at. Play your best game in the final lads - simple as that ain't it? wetter Southgate has sets target's we might not know but I bet his employers have. If it's anything less than WIN IT then something ain't right. If that is the case perhaps the press and public have every right to say the same thing. I get the example you offer but this is 11 tennis players all at the same time. I'm honestly not a football fan, but i am a sports fan and can understand sport strategy. How would you desribe England's strategy, because i really didn't see one. Delete the blanks: England will score by feeding the ball to *insert key goal scorer(s)*, by working the ball down the flank(s) / through the middle using direct passes/ long balls than exploit englands advantage in speed / fitness/ technique / strength. England's LB and RB to put the crosses in. Tunisia arnt an all out attack team and we're never going to be on Monday. That means to break them down you have to take the ball wide, this pulls their defence out and then you got gaps for the central midfielders to play through. Deli Ali to feed Kane through the middle. England pushed up, Tunisia pressed so the quick counter was on but not from as deep as Portugal. As the Tunisian's fitness dropped then use the pace of the bench. To me it looked like England found conditions hotter/more humid than expected and Tunisia didn't really run out of legs." Thanks, this is what i'll judge england by on sunday | |||
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" England have something to peak at. Play your best game in the final lads - simple as that ain't it? wetter Southgate has sets target's we might not know but I bet his employers have. If it's anything less than WIN IT then something ain't right. If that is the case perhaps the press and public have every right to say the same thing. I get the example you offer but this is 11 tennis players all at the same time. I'm honestly not a football fan, but i am a sports fan and can understand sport strategy. How would you desribe England's strategy, because i really didn't see one. Delete the blanks: England will score by feeding the ball to *insert key goal scorer(s)*, by working the ball down the flank(s) / through the middle using direct passes/ long balls than exploit englands advantage in speed / fitness/ technique / strength. England's LB and RB to put the crosses in. Tunisia arnt an all out attack team and we're never going to be on Monday. That means to break them down you have to take the ball wide, this pulls their defence out and then you got gaps for the central midfielders to play through. Deli Ali to feed Kane through the middle. England pushed up, Tunisia pressed so the quick counter was on but not from as deep as Portugal. As the Tunisian's fitness dropped then use the pace of the bench. To me it looked like England found conditions hotter/more humid than expected and Tunisia didn't really run out of legs. Thanks, this is what i'll judge england by on sunday " I can't see it being too different. Panama didn't show much vs Belgium. But it might change vs Belgium. England created a hat full of chances but either through luck or bad finishing didn't kill Tunisia off. I think that's a positive. It's when you don't create something is wrong. England could of, should of won 5-0. They might just do that next game if they play the same way | |||
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" England have something to peak at. Play your best game in the final lads - simple as that ain't it? wetter Southgate has sets target's we might not know but I bet his employers have. If it's anything less than WIN IT then something ain't right. If that is the case perhaps the press and public have every right to say the same thing. I get the example you offer but this is 11 tennis players all at the same time. I'm honestly not a football fan, but i am a sports fan and can understand sport strategy. How would you desribe England's strategy, because i really didn't see one. Delete the blanks: England will score by feeding the ball to *insert key goal scorer(s)*, by working the ball down the flank(s) / through the middle using direct passes/ long balls than exploit englands advantage in speed / fitness/ technique / strength. England's LB and RB to put the crosses in. Tunisia arnt an all out attack team and we're never going to be on Monday. That means to break them down you have to take the ball wide, this pulls their defence out and then you got gaps for the central midfielders to play through. Deli Ali to feed Kane through the middle. England pushed up, Tunisia pressed so the quick counter was on but not from as deep as Portugal. As the Tunisian's fitness dropped then use the pace of the bench. To me it looked like England found conditions hotter/more humid than expected and Tunisia didn't really run out of legs. Thanks, this is what i'll judge england by on sunday " Panama will be a very different set of circumstances on Sunday and I would expect England to approach the game in a different manner, although with a similar formation. Panama are the minnows of the group and will set up very defensively, pack the defence and midfield and try to frustrate England. I would expect them us to have a lot of possession and look for the quick one-two around the area to play Kane and Sterling through. Set pieces will be a big thing for us, corners and free kicks will be our best bet. I would expect a 2-0 or 3-0 win | |||
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" England have something to peak at. Play your best game in the final lads - simple as that ain't it? wetter Southgate has sets target's we might not know but I bet his employers have. If it's anything less than WIN IT then something ain't right. If that is the case perhaps the press and public have every right to say the same thing. I get the example you offer but this is 11 tennis players all at the same time. I'm honestly not a football fan, but i am a sports fan and can understand sport strategy. How would you desribe England's strategy, because i really didn't see one. Delete the blanks: England will score by feeding the ball to *insert key goal scorer(s)*, by working the ball down the flank(s) / through the middle using direct passes/ long balls than exploit englands advantage in speed / fitness/ technique / strength. England's LB and RB to put the crosses in. Tunisia arnt an all out attack team and we're never going to be on Monday. That means to break them down you have to take the ball wide, this pulls their defence out and then you got gaps for the central midfielders to play through. Deli Ali to feed Kane through the middle. England pushed up, Tunisia pressed so the quick counter was on but not from as deep as Portugal. As the Tunisian's fitness dropped then use the pace of the bench. To me it looked like England found conditions hotter/more humid than expected and Tunisia didn't really run out of legs. Thanks, this is what i'll judge england by on sunday Panama will be a very different set of circumstances on Sunday and I would expect England to approach the game in a different manner, although with a similar formation. Panama are the minnows of the group and will set up very defensively, pack the defence and midfield and try to frustrate England. I would expect them us to have a lot of possession and look for the quick one-two around the area to play Kane and Sterling through. Set pieces will be a big thing for us, corners and free kicks will be our best bet. I would expect a 2-0 or 3-0 win " That sounds just like Tunisia. Only one threat really, that lad who played at Sunderland. I'd be chuffed as an England fan if you won 2-1 again. I can't see the prep being too much different. Maybe not Ali (injury) maybe give Sterling another go, maybe not. If it's not broken, don't change it. I didn't think Monday was broken. | |||
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"Fat Sam hoping for a call-up to replace the injured style-icon Southgate." Fat Sam claims he should be in the job | |||
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"Fat Sam hoping for a call-up to replace the injured style-icon Southgate. Fat Sam claims he should be in the job" John Terry is a shoe-in | |||
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"Are you of the same mindset now OP? " Today's result doesn't change anything for me. The goal difference is identical to Belgium. The goal we conceded may well cost us the top spot in the group. He still didn't drop sterling, who again did nothing. Most people aren't sure which continent Panama is in so thrashing obscure countries means nothing to me. Hot women in the crowd though. | |||
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"Well you can only beat whoever is put in front of you, and we did it in a positive manner. I don't think we have anything to be afraid of when we play Belgium, although it will be a much tougher test, we can play with the freedom that knowing we have qualified brings. Not too sure about the Sterling situation, I might be tempted to start with Vardy though. Yeah, there were some hot ladies in the crowd " I’m surprised that Rashford didn’t come on, Ali should be fit for Belgium too. I understand Southgate standing by Sterling, I feel like he’s one goal away from catching fire. | |||
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"Well you can only beat whoever is put in front of you, and we did it in a positive manner. I don't think we have anything to be afraid of when we play Belgium, although it will be a much tougher test, we can play with the freedom that knowing we have qualified brings. Not too sure about the Sterling situation, I might be tempted to start with Vardy though. Yeah, there were some hot ladies in the crowd " Vardy | |||
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"Did Vardy touch the ball ??" I’m surprised that Vardy came on today, I think he’s a good player to have on the bench to use against teams that don’t sit back behind banks of players, I think he’d be effective against Belgium later in the game. I would’ve thought Rashford would be useful for teams that need breaking down like panama today | |||
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"The substitutions were decidedly different to what would have been the case if after 70 minutes it was only 1-0 or heaven forbid 0-0 or even losing. With the result in the bag, Southgate had the freedom to do what he could to take a look at people in positions for future matches. I cant see Vardi getting ahead of Rashford in a starting 11 for the role played by Sterling, likewise Rose and the Young situation see's Young being able to play on both flanks, as we saw when Tripier went off and move across. Delph coming on for Lingard was such an excuse to see how he'd cover that position, to be honest, I'm not sure Southgate will change his mind in an in Anger match. Having qualified, he will know going into that match the outcomes of other groups and that the line-up of Group G 1st and 2nd will be playing either Senigal or Japan, neither will frighten England. But more importantly the other groups will be decided and may choose to field an experimental side if he wants to protect his key players and settle for a 2nd place (bookings maybe the deciding factor here, and clog their way into being below Belgium next Thursday evening. As an aside Sterlings 1-2 with Lingard for the third goal, comes from the one player who plays that tippy tappy football and believes that very few in that squad would have been switched onto that sequence of play. He was on for a chance to score had Kane's pass to him not being too heavy. " Stirling should have scored stones second goal! | |||
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"The substitutions were decidedly different to what would have been the case if after 70 minutes it was only 1-0 or heaven forbid 0-0 or even losing. With the result in the bag, Southgate had the freedom to do what he could to take a look at people in positions for future matches. I cant see Vardi getting ahead of Rashford in a starting 11 for the role played by Sterling, likewise Rose and the Young situation see's Young being able to play on both flanks, as we saw when Tripier went off and move across. Delph coming on for Lingard was such an excuse to see how he'd cover that position, to be honest, I'm not sure Southgate will change his mind in an in Anger match. Having qualified, he will know going into that match the outcomes of other groups and that the line-up of Group G 1st and 2nd will be playing either Senigal or Japan, neither will frighten England. But more importantly the other groups will be decided and may choose to field an experimental side if he wants to protect his key players and settle for a 2nd place (bookings maybe the deciding factor here, and clog their way into being below Belgium next Thursday evening. As an aside Sterlings 1-2 with Lingard for the third goal, comes from the one player who plays that tippy tappy football and believes that very few in that squad would have been switched onto that sequence of play. He was on for a chance to score had Kane's pass to him not being too heavy. Stirling should have scored stones second goal!" Yes, the guy just can’t catch a break at the moment! | |||
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"Well you can only beat whoever is put in front of you, and we did it in a positive manner. I don't think we have anything to be afraid of when we play Belgium, although it will be a much tougher test, we can play with the freedom that knowing we have qualified brings. Not too sure about the Sterling situation, I might be tempted to start with Vardy though. Yeah, there were some hot ladies in the crowd I’m surprised that Rashford didn’t come on, Ali should be fit for Belgium too. I understand Southgate standing by Sterling, I feel like he’s one goal away from catching fire." I can only guess that because the rest of the team did so well , Stirling’s abysmal performance will be overlooked again . I’m not sure how many times he touched the ball today , it could have been as many as four but I only saw two and again he contributed fuck all . | |||
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"[ badly quoted fact removed by poster at 24/06/18 20:36:31]" English footballs biggest ever victory at the World Cup finals 6~1 vs Panama 2018 It’s coming home! | |||
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"no not at all ,hes doing a great job we should all be so proud of him" If we finish second then i will give him a lot of credit | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job." | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job. " Professional sports are about results, not intentions | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job." Doing a better job than Joachim Low | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job. Professional sports are about results, not intentions " We'll have to agree to disagree. Tunisia/Panama/S.Korea/Japan etc for example weren't going to win but still have given ot thier all. All we can do is support our guys out there as opposed to knocking them down all the time. It amazes me how people watching the games have all the advice for the players while shouting at the tv screen...of they were any better then why aren't the on the pitch. Same goes for people questions Southgate...if you think you could do a better job then, well...I dont have to say anymore more on that do I?! | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job. Professional sports are about results, not intentions We'll have to agree to disagree. Tunisia/Panama/S.Korea/Japan etc for example weren't going to win but still have given ot thier all. All we can do is support our guys out there as opposed to knocking them down all the time. It amazes me how people watching the games have all the advice for the players while shouting at the tv screen...of they were any better then why aren't the on the pitch. Same goes for people questions Southgate...if you think you could do a better job then, well...I dont have to say anymore more on that do I?! " 'Results' doesn't mean he has to win the world cup to be a success! Quarter final is good, semi final is excellent. Don't know how you can disagree that professional sports are about results. | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job. Professional sports are about results, not intentions We'll have to agree to disagree. Tunisia/Panama/S.Korea/Japan etc for example weren't going to win but still have given ot thier all. All we can do is support our guys out there as opposed to knocking them down all the time. It amazes me how people watching the games have all the advice for the players while shouting at the tv screen...of they were any better then why aren't the on the pitch. Same goes for people questions Southgate...if you think you could do a better job then, well...I dont have to say anymore more on that do I?! 'Results' doesn't mean he has to win the world cup to be a success! Quarter final is good, semi final is excellent. Don't know how you can disagree that professional sports are about results. " If it was always about results in every circumstance then the what happens to the likes of the teams who came to the World Cup with no hope at all? We as a nation are too quick to slate our teams performance. | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job. Professional sports are about results, not intentions We'll have to agree to disagree. Tunisia/Panama/S.Korea/Japan etc for example weren't going to win but still have given ot thier all. All we can do is support our guys out there as opposed to knocking them down all the time. It amazes me how people watching the games have all the advice for the players while shouting at the tv screen...of they were any better then why aren't the on the pitch. Same goes for people questions Southgate...if you think you could do a better job then, well...I dont have to say anymore more on that do I?! 'Results' doesn't mean he has to win the world cup to be a success! Quarter final is good, semi final is excellent. Don't know how you can disagree that professional sports are about results. If it was always about results in every circumstance then the what happens to the likes of the teams who came to the World Cup with no hope at all? We as a nation are too quick to slate our teams performance. " For some teams, getting 1 win is a success (I.e. Saudi Arabia) | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job. Professional sports are about results, not intentions We'll have to agree to disagree. Tunisia/Panama/S.Korea/Japan etc for example weren't going to win but still have given ot thier all. All we can do is support our guys out there as opposed to knocking them down all the time. It amazes me how people watching the games have all the advice for the players while shouting at the tv screen...of they were any better then why aren't the on the pitch. Same goes for people questions Southgate...if you think you could do a better job then, well...I dont have to say anymore more on that do I?! 'Results' doesn't mean he has to win the world cup to be a success! Quarter final is good, semi final is excellent. Don't know how you can disagree that professional sports are about results. If it was always about results in every circumstance then the what happens to the likes of the teams who came to the World Cup with no hope at all? We as a nation are too quick to slate our teams performance. For some teams, getting 1 win is a success (I.e. Saudi Arabia)" So one win, but I remember you saying "professional sports are about results, not intentions" so what about the other two results for Saudia Arabia...just saying. | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job. Professional sports are about results, not intentions We'll have to agree to disagree. Tunisia/Panama/S.Korea/Japan etc for example weren't going to win but still have given ot thier all. All we can do is support our guys out there as opposed to knocking them down all the time. It amazes me how people watching the games have all the advice for the players while shouting at the tv screen...of they were any better then why aren't the on the pitch. Same goes for people questions Southgate...if you think you could do a better job then, well...I dont have to say anymore more on that do I?! 'Results' doesn't mean he has to win the world cup to be a success! Quarter final is good, semi final is excellent. Don't know how you can disagree that professional sports are about results. If it was always about results in every circumstance then the what happens to the likes of the teams who came to the World Cup with no hope at all? We as a nation are too quick to slate our teams performance. For some teams, getting 1 win is a success (I.e. Saudi Arabia) So one win, but I remember you saying "professional sports are about results, not intentions" so what about the other two results for Saudia Arabia...just saying." I've explained it twice and you still don't understand. I tried. | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job. Professional sports are about results, not intentions We'll have to agree to disagree. Tunisia/Panama/S.Korea/Japan etc for example weren't going to win but still have given ot thier all. All we can do is support our guys out there as opposed to knocking them down all the time. It amazes me how people watching the games have all the advice for the players while shouting at the tv screen...of they were any better then why aren't the on the pitch. Same goes for people questions Southgate...if you think you could do a better job then, well...I dont have to say anymore more on that do I?! 'Results' doesn't mean he has to win the world cup to be a success! Quarter final is good, semi final is excellent. Don't know how you can disagree that professional sports are about results. If it was always about results in every circumstance then the what happens to the likes of the teams who came to the World Cup with no hope at all? We as a nation are too quick to slate our teams performance. For some teams, getting 1 win is a success (I.e. Saudi Arabia) So one win, but I remember you saying "professional sports are about results, not intentions" so what about the other two results for Saudia Arabia...just saying. I've explained it twice and you still don't understand. I tried. " Best to agree to disagree on this one. Let's enjoy the game. It's one of the rare occasions where the pressure isn't on the England team fot once. | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job. Professional sports are about results, not intentions We'll have to agree to disagree. Tunisia/Panama/S.Korea/Japan etc for example weren't going to win but still have given ot thier all. All we can do is support our guys out there as opposed to knocking them down all the time. It amazes me how people watching the games have all the advice for the players while shouting at the tv screen...of they were any better then why aren't the on the pitch. Same goes for people questions Southgate...if you think you could do a better job then, well...I dont have to say anymore more on that do I?! 'Results' doesn't mean he has to win the world cup to be a success! Quarter final is good, semi final is excellent. Don't know how you can disagree that professional sports are about results. If it was always about results in every circumstance then the what happens to the likes of the teams who came to the World Cup with no hope at all? We as a nation are too quick to slate our teams performance. For some teams, getting 1 win is a success (I.e. Saudi Arabia) So one win, but I remember you saying "professional sports are about results, not intentions" so what about the other two results for Saudia Arabia...just saying. I've explained it twice and you still don't understand. I tried. Best to agree to disagree on this one. Let's enjoy the game. It's one of the rare occasions where the pressure isn't on the England team fot once." Did you say enjoy the game ? Even the ref has had enough by adding not even a minute added time . It’s awful ...... | |||
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"Nobody in any job goes out intentionally to do a bad job, same for the England players. Let's support them and the manager, Southgate, he's doing a great job. Professional sports are about results, not intentions We'll have to agree to disagree. Tunisia/Panama/S.Korea/Japan etc for example weren't going to win but still have given ot thier all. All we can do is support our guys out there as opposed to knocking them down all the time. It amazes me how people watching the games have all the advice for the players while shouting at the tv screen...of they were any better then why aren't the on the pitch. Same goes for people questions Southgate...if you think you could do a better job then, well...I dont have to say anymore more on that do I?! 'Results' doesn't mean he has to win the world cup to be a success! Quarter final is good, semi final is excellent. Don't know how you can disagree that professional sports are about results. If it was always about results in every circumstance then the what happens to the likes of the teams who came to the World Cup with no hope at all? We as a nation are too quick to slate our teams performance. For some teams, getting 1 win is a success (I.e. Saudi Arabia) So one win, but I remember you saying "professional sports are about results, not intentions" so what about the other two results for Saudia Arabia...just saying. I've explained it twice and you still don't understand. I tried. Best to agree to disagree on this one. Let's enjoy the game. It's one of the rare occasions where the pressure isn't on the England team fot once. Did you say enjoy the game ? Even the ref has had enough by adding not even a minute added time . It’s awful ......" Not going to say any different, I totally get what you're saying. | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight " Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. " I'm impressed he resisted the temptation to make substitutions and try and win the game. He held his nerve. | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. " As Rashford, his replacement, put the chances away and caused havoc. Exactly! Lots don't like Sterling but who is standing up saying drop him I'm the man?! | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. " FINALLY! Someone who knows how to spell his name correctly! | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. FINALLY! Someone who knows how to spell his name correctly! " How do people usually spell it? | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. FINALLY! Someone who knows how to spell his name correctly! How do people usually spell it?" I go with Sterling.... '\/' | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. As Rashford, his replacement, put the chances away and caused havoc. Exactly! Lots don't like Sterling but who is standing up saying drop him I'm the man?! " Publicly? No one. Behind closed doors of the team camp? No one. In their heads? Most of them. That's a bit of a daft question really. | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. FINALLY! Someone who knows how to spell his name correctly! How do people usually spell it? I go with Sterling.... '\/' " I don't know any other way to spell Sterling. | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. FINALLY! Someone who knows how to spell his name correctly! How do people usually spell it? I go with Sterling.... '\/' " Yep with an E (unless you live on Merseyside...they spell his name VERY differently!) | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. FINALLY! Someone who knows how to spell his name correctly! How do people usually spell it? I go with Sterling.... '\/' I don't know any other way to spell Sterling." Even my autocarrot doesn't fuck it up...... | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. FINALLY! Someone who knows how to spell his name correctly! How do people usually spell it? I go with Sterling.... '\/' Yep with an E (unless you live on Merseyside...they spell his name VERY differently!) " Oh, your Scottish friends spell it Stirling? | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. As Rashford, his replacement, put the chances away and caused havoc. Exactly! Lots don't like Sterling but who is standing up saying drop him I'm the man?! " I can see what you are saying , but in an England shirt Sterling is crap . I would sooner see Rashford than Sterling in the England team every time . There is something about Sterling when he plays for England’s that just doesn’t sit right . His performances have been dire and I have no faith in him . Whether we will see him against Columbia is anyone’s guess , but I don’t think so . | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. As Rashford, his replacement, put the chances away and caused havoc. Exactly! Lots don't like Sterling but who is standing up saying drop him I'm the man?! I can see what you are saying , but in an England shirt Sterling is crap . I would sooner see Rashford than Sterling in the England team every time . There is something about Sterling when he plays for England’s that just doesn’t sit right . His performances have been dire and I have no faith in him . Whether we will see him against Columbia is anyone’s guess , but I don’t think so . " I don't know if he tries too hard or doesn't try hard enough. Either way, he's not great in an England shirt. I've said before, too many clever flicks and tricks at the wrong time in the wrong place. He can get away with it playing Crystal Palace, but not against the best players in the world. He tries to play it clever when he should be playing simple. It's like he feels he has to justify the hype about his skill and be a smart arse all the time. | |||
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"Southgate played a blinder tonight Best part of tonight's game plan, not playing Sterling. Hoooofuckinra. As Rashford, his replacement, put the chances away and caused havoc. Exactly! Lots don't like Sterling but who is standing up saying drop him I'm the man?! Publicly? No one. Behind closed doors of the team camp? No one. In their heads? Most of them. That's a bit of a daft question really." That question isn't literal. It means 'who is putting in strong performances to show they are a better option than Sterling?' Rashford certainly isn't | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. " Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been." I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt." I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me.... | |||
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"Or is he just being positive about last nights game because he thinks the players need more confidence? It scares me that he would have been proud of the players with a draw! Only one player was rated 7 or over in that game. Yes Tunsia never looked like scoring, but England didn't look like they had any kind of plan other than pass it around and hope for the best. Absoutely zero urgency for 40/45 minutes of the second half. " they deliberately lost but they can't say they did that, we've got this in the bag | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me...." Id agree with you but i think hes had quite a poor season having watched spurs quite a lot. Shame because he look very good for a while before that | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me...." Apart from Jones, Cahill, Vardy, Rashford and Rose, the rest didn't do diddly squat to say "pick me boss" Delph was one that wouldn't even be up for consideration for future matches on his showing yesterday. | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me....Apart from Jones, Cahill, Vardy, Rashford and Rose, the rest didn't do diddly squat to say "pick me boss" Delph was one that wouldn't even be up for consideration for future matches on his showing yesterday. " I was dissapointed in Delph. Maybe he's distracted by knowing he has to pop home, then get back to Russia. | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me....Apart from Jones, Cahill, Vardy, Rashford and Rose, the rest didn't do diddly squat to say "pick me boss" Delph was one that wouldn't even be up for consideration for future matches on his showing yesterday. I was dissapointed in Delph. Maybe he's distracted by knowing he has to pop home, then get back to Russia. " Should stay home, in my view. Clearly head is elsewhere, shouldn't have gone to begin with. | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me...." Tired are you for real. He’s a pampered millionaire | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me.... Tired are you for real. He’s a pampered millionaire " You're familiar with how factors like training regimes, change of diet, heat/cold, periods of peak performance, time zones can affect game performance? You're saying that wealthy people don't get tired. Which is obviously twaddle. I've worked with elite performers. It's really not that easy to hit your peak at the right time. | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me.... Tired are you for real. He’s a pampered millionaire You're familiar with how factors like training regimes, change of diet, heat/cold, periods of peak performance, time zones can affect game performance? You're saying that wealthy people don't get tired. Which is obviously twaddle. I've worked with elite performers. It's really not that easy to hit your peak at the right time. " Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me.... Tired are you for real. He’s a pampered millionaire You're familiar with how factors like training regimes, change of diet, heat/cold, periods of peak performance, time zones can affect game performance? You're saying that wealthy people don't get tired. Which is obviously twaddle. I've worked with elite performers. It's really not that easy to hit your peak at the right time. Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. " I used to be a supporter of the mid season break idea to keep the players fresh. Then I realised the club's would use the time to fly their teams 4 times around the world on promo tours, leaving them more shattered than if they didn't have a break.... One hour difference in time zone takes 24 hours to adjust to. That's why teams fly out a few days in advance when they play in Europe. An elite performer can only hit peak performance for 6 weeks in a year. The 6 weeks can be juggled, but that's all you get. That's part of the reason Premiership clubs have big squads, it gives them a fighting chance of getting as many players at their peak on the pitch at the same time. | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me.... Tired are you for real. He’s a pampered millionaire You're familiar with how factors like training regimes, change of diet, heat/cold, periods of peak performance, time zones can affect game performance? You're saying that wealthy people don't get tired. Which is obviously twaddle. I've worked with elite performers. It's really not that easy to hit your peak at the right time. Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. I used to be a supporter of the mid season break idea to keep the players fresh. Then I realised the club's would use the time to fly their teams 4 times around the world on promo tours, leaving them more shattered than if they didn't have a break.... One hour difference in time zone takes 24 hours to adjust to. That's why teams fly out a few days in advance when they play in Europe. An elite performer can only hit peak performance for 6 weeks in a year. The 6 weeks can be juggled, but that's all you get. That's part of the reason Premiership clubs have big squads, it gives them a fighting chance of getting as many players at their peak on the pitch at the same time. " The more you analyse any sport, the more you realise how the Champions are largely determined before anything happens on the pitch. I totally agree with what you said, there are ways round that but english football takes the money every time. | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me.... Tired are you for real. He’s a pampered millionaire You're familiar with how factors like training regimes, change of diet, heat/cold, periods of peak performance, time zones can affect game performance? You're saying that wealthy people don't get tired. Which is obviously twaddle. I've worked with elite performers. It's really not that easy to hit your peak at the right time. Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. I used to be a supporter of the mid season break idea to keep the players fresh. Then I realised the club's would use the time to fly their teams 4 times around the world on promo tours, leaving them more shattered than if they didn't have a break.... One hour difference in time zone takes 24 hours to adjust to. That's why teams fly out a few days in advance when they play in Europe. An elite performer can only hit peak performance for 6 weeks in a year. The 6 weeks can be juggled, but that's all you get. That's part of the reason Premiership clubs have big squads, it gives them a fighting chance of getting as many players at their peak on the pitch at the same time. The more you analyse any sport, the more you realise how the Champions are largely determined before anything happens on the pitch. I totally agree with what you said, there are ways round that but english football takes the money every time. " It’s not just English football , it’s football all over the world that goes for the money every time . | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me.... Tired are you for real. He’s a pampered millionaire You're familiar with how factors like training regimes, change of diet, heat/cold, periods of peak performance, time zones can affect game performance? You're saying that wealthy people don't get tired. Which is obviously twaddle. I've worked with elite performers. It's really not that easy to hit your peak at the right time. Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. I used to be a supporter of the mid season break idea to keep the players fresh. Then I realised the club's would use the time to fly their teams 4 times around the world on promo tours, leaving them more shattered than if they didn't have a break.... One hour difference in time zone takes 24 hours to adjust to. That's why teams fly out a few days in advance when they play in Europe. An elite performer can only hit peak performance for 6 weeks in a year. The 6 weeks can be juggled, but that's all you get. That's part of the reason Premiership clubs have big squads, it gives them a fighting chance of getting as many players at their peak on the pitch at the same time. The more you analyse any sport, the more you realise how the Champions are largely determined before anything happens on the pitch. I totally agree with what you said, there are ways round that but english football takes the money every time. It’s not just English football , it’s football all over the world that goes for the money every time ." I'm sure some countries have enforced breaks or game limits... | |||
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"All English fans and media are.. that is an extremely poor English team once you take out Harry kane. There is absolutely no midfield. England will be found out once they play a good team in Columbia. Definitely no midfield last night. Vardy and Rashford way too isolated up front, too much distance between them and the back line, so no one to pick up and use the second ball..... Too easy for Belgium to collect it and counter attack, playing straight into where our midfield support should have been. I think eric dier is very poor. Showed how important "sideways" Henderson actually is. Hes frustrating and negative but a very good holding midfielder doing the important work that dier simply wasnt. I've seen Dier play better. He looked tired to me.... Tired are you for real. He’s a pampered millionaire You're familiar with how factors like training regimes, change of diet, heat/cold, periods of peak performance, time zones can affect game performance? You're saying that wealthy people don't get tired. Which is obviously twaddle. I've worked with elite performers. It's really not that easy to hit your peak at the right time. Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. I used to be a supporter of the mid season break idea to keep the players fresh. Then I realised the club's would use the time to fly their teams 4 times around the world on promo tours, leaving them more shattered than if they didn't have a break.... One hour difference in time zone takes 24 hours to adjust to. That's why teams fly out a few days in advance when they play in Europe. An elite performer can only hit peak performance for 6 weeks in a year. The 6 weeks can be juggled, but that's all you get. That's part of the reason Premiership clubs have big squads, it gives them a fighting chance of getting as many players at their peak on the pitch at the same time. The more you analyse any sport, the more you realise how the Champions are largely determined before anything happens on the pitch. I totally agree with what you said, there are ways round that but english football takes the money every time. " It's all about the Benjamins these days... I do like it when people compare tackles and injuries between football and rugby. Whilst being happy to admit there are a fair few roll around cheating cry baby fuckers out there, no one actually looks at how these guys are built. It's like comparing F1 and stock car racing. The rugby boys are built to take a hit or two, they're like brick built outhouses. I was watching a comparison clip between the men's and ladies footie. Female player gets an almighty whack on the nose, claret everywhere, wipes it off, one finger snots and carries on. Someone touches Ronaldos ear lobe and it looks like a sniper in row Z's taken the fucker out. | |||
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"Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. 'simple laws of biology' 'played too many games' 'exhausted before the competition' hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha" You've played a lot of sport at an elite level then? | |||
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"Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. 'simple laws of biology' 'played too many games' 'exhausted before the competition' hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You've played a lot of sport at an elite level then?" He acts like the kid that always got picked last in PE, so I'm guessing not | |||
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"Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. 'simple laws of biology' 'played too many games' 'exhausted before the competition' hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You've played a lot of sport at an elite level then?" We you see ignorant bullshit I can't help but laugh https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44360116 | |||
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"Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. 'simple laws of biology' 'played too many games' 'exhausted before the competition' hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You've played a lot of sport at an elite level then? We you see ignorant bullshit I can't help but laugh https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44360116 " You've done a bum doozy | |||
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"Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. 'simple laws of biology' 'played too many games' 'exhausted before the competition' hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You've played a lot of sport at an elite level then? We you see ignorant bullshit I can't help but laugh https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44360116 You've done a bum doozy " When you've learnt what a bumdozy is you'll be able to apply it in the correct context | |||
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"Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. 'simple laws of biology' 'played too many games' 'exhausted before the competition' hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You've played a lot of sport at an elite level then? We you see ignorant bullshit I can't help but laugh https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44360116 You've done a bum doozy When you've learnt what a bumdozy is you'll be able to apply it in the correct context " When you learn how to analyse elite sports then feel free to join the conversation | |||
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"Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. 'simple laws of biology' 'played too many games' 'exhausted before the competition' hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You've played a lot of sport at an elite level then? We you see ignorant bullshit I can't help but laugh https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44360116 You've done a bum doozy When you've learnt what a bumdozy is you'll be able to apply it in the correct context When you learn how to analyse elite sports then feel free to join the conversation " hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Ignorance is no excuse for pppab | |||
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"Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. 'simple laws of biology' 'played too many games' 'exhausted before the competition' hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You've played a lot of sport at an elite level then? We you see ignorant bullshit I can't help but laugh https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44360116 " You're just showing your ignorance. As I've already said, I've worked with elite performere. I really do know how it all works. In case you're wondering, one of my degrees i's in sports psychology, the other one is in bio mechanics. Courtesy of York University and their coaches who work with the English Olympic athletics team. Your qualifications are........ | |||
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"Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. 'simple laws of biology' 'played too many games' 'exhausted before the competition' hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You've played a lot of sport at an elite level then? We you see ignorant bullshit I can't help but laugh https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44360116 You're just showing your ignorance. As I've already said, I've worked with elite performere. I really do know how it all works. In case you're wondering, one of my degrees i's in sports psychology, the other one is in bio mechanics. Courtesy of York University and their coaches who work with the English Olympic athletics team. Your qualifications are........ " And I really hate playing that card..... | |||
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"Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. 'simple laws of biology' 'played too many games' 'exhausted before the competition' hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You've played a lot of sport at an elite level then? We you see ignorant bullshit I can't help but laugh https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44360116 You're just showing your ignorance. As I've already said, I've worked with elite performere. I really do know how it all works. In case you're wondering, one of my degrees i's in sports psychology, the other one is in bio mechanics. Courtesy of York University and their coaches who work with the English Olympic athletics team. Your qualifications are........ " 50m backstroke badge ...and I hate having to play that card | |||
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"Geez, pseudo-pro city here! He's got himself further & at least equal to the last two World Cup managers, - the guy needs a break! " IMHO if we win the next game we should consider it a huge sussed. I think he's doing a bloody good job and has exceeded a lot of expectations. His work and attitude bode well for the future. And if he can turn Sterling into an England international he should be knighted. | |||
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"Geez, pseudo-pro city here! He's got himself further & at least equal to the last two World Cup managers, - the guy needs a break! IMHO if we win the next game we should consider it a huge sussed. I think he's doing a bloody good job and has exceeded a lot of expectations. His work and attitude bode well for the future. And if he can turn Sterling into an England international he should be knighted." I wouldn't say huge success. If he wins the game after the next then we're into huge success territory. Nobody is going to be England manager for long if you can't win a single knock out game. | |||
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"Geez, pseudo-pro city here! He's got himself further & at least equal to the last two World Cup managers, - the guy needs a break! IMHO if we win the next game we should consider it a huge sussed. I think he's doing a bloody good job and has exceeded a lot of expectations. His work and attitude bode well for the future. And if he can turn Sterling into an England international he should be knighted. I wouldn't say huge success. If he wins the game after the next then we're into huge success territory. Nobody is going to be England manager for long if you can't win a single knock out game. " I'd say after our recent world cup and euros form it's a huge success. (I can spell success really) If we win our next two game it'll be extroadinary. Agreed, history suggests than not winning a single KO game means the sack. I suspect that Southgate could be the exception. I genuinely think he's going about the job in the right way. Expectations were low when he took ovet and two wins will have exceeded expectation. Plus he's still a young manager. Win or lose our next game, I think he's done OK, bearing in mind where we were when he took over. Tougher tests ahead. Interested to see how he tackles them. I have a sneaky suspicion he could be our best manager for decades. I was doubtful when he got the job. He's converted me. Always sounds positive, no hype, gives a straight answer with as little politics as possible. Plus, he seems to have made his mind up how he wants the team to play. | |||
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" Plus, he seems to have made his mind up how he wants the team to play. " This is why im starting to like him. I admit that I couldn't understand what the fucking strategy was in the first game, but now i get it. Whilst it doesn't make for beautiful football, it could be effective. | |||
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" Plus, he seems to have made his mind up how he wants the team to play. This is why im starting to like him. I admit that I couldn't understand what the fucking strategy was in the first game, but now i get it. Whilst it doesn't make for beautiful football, it could be effective. " When I got the job my first thoughts were; Too young. Too dour. Too dull. Too inexperienced. He'll lose a few games and get the sack. Right man for the job my arse. I thought he'd just be in charge until they found the right man, like emergency cover. My opinion is seriously revised. Go Southgate!!!!!!! | |||
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"Some people just don't get this at all. I'm more a rugby fan so yes I like to take the piss out of footballers, but that doesn't detract from their athleticism and the simple laws of biology. The midfielder's, who have generally already played too many games this year if they play for a half decent club, we exhausted before the competition. No diggedy, no doubt. 'simple laws of biology' 'played too many games' 'exhausted before the competition' hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha You've played a lot of sport at an elite level then? We you see ignorant bullshit I can't help but laugh https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44360116 You're just showing your ignorance. As I've already said, I've worked with elite performere. I really do know how it all works. In case you're wondering, one of my degrees i's in sports psychology, the other one is in bio mechanics. Courtesy of York University and their coaches who work with the English Olympic athletics team. Your qualifications are........ 50m backstroke badge ...and I hate having to play that card " Thanks for confirming my suspicion. | |||
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" Plus, he seems to have made his mind up how he wants the team to play. This is why im starting to like him. I admit that I couldn't understand what the fucking strategy was in the first game, but now i get it. Whilst it doesn't make for beautiful football, it could be effective. When I got the job my first thoughts were; Too young. Too dour. Too dull. Too inexperienced. He'll lose a few games and get the sack. Right man for the job my arse. I thought he'd just be in charge until they found the right man, like emergency cover. My opinion is seriously revised. Go Southgate!!!!!!! " He is dull and dour, but he's found dull and dour tactics that can win games | |||
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" Plus, he seems to have made his mind up how he wants the team to play. This is why im starting to like him. I admit that I couldn't understand what the fucking strategy was in the first game, but now i get it. Whilst it doesn't make for beautiful football, it could be effective. When I got the job my first thoughts were; Too young. Too dour. Too dull. Too inexperienced. He'll lose a few games and get the sack. Right man for the job my arse. I thought he'd just be in charge until they found the right man, like emergency cover. My opinion is seriously revised. Go Southgate!!!!!!! He is dull and dour, but he's found dull and dour tactics that can win games " Does make me chuckle when supporters say "we don't care if we lose, we just want be entertained" Cool, you'll be entertained out of the league and into Sunday morning kickabouts in the park. Maybe I'm old school, I want my team to win, if I'm entertained along the way it's a bonus. I'm aware teams can do both. | |||
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"Geez, pseudo-pro city here! He's got himself further & at least equal to the last two World Cup managers, - the guy needs a break! IMHO if we win the next game we should consider it a huge sussed. I think he's doing a bloody good job and has exceeded a lot of expectations. His work and attitude bode well for the future. And if he can turn Sterling into an England international he should be knighted." Deffo agree with the bit about turning Sterling into a decent player . But surely that’s asking a bit much isn’t it ? I mean , Southgate is good , but he’s not a miracle maker is he ? | |||
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"Geez, pseudo-pro city here! He's got himself further & at least equal to the last two World Cup managers, - the guy needs a break! IMHO if we win the next game we should consider it a huge sussed. I think he's doing a bloody good job and has exceeded a lot of expectations. His work and attitude bode well for the future. And if he can turn Sterling into an England international he should be knighted. Deffo agree with the bit about turning Sterling into a decent player . But surely that’s asking a bit much isn’t it ? I mean , Southgate is good , but he’s not a miracle maker is he ? " Ih Southgate can turn Sterling into a good England player I might ask him about loaves and fishes.... | |||
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" Plus, he seems to have made his mind up how he wants the team to play. This is why im starting to like him. I admit that I couldn't understand what the fucking strategy was in the first game, but now i get it. Whilst it doesn't make for beautiful football, it could be effective. When I got the job my first thoughts were; Too young. Too dour. Too dull. Too inexperienced. He'll lose a few games and get the sack. Right man for the job my arse. I thought he'd just be in charge until they found the right man, like emergency cover. My opinion is seriously revised. Go Southgate!!!!!!! He is dull and dour, but he's found dull and dour tactics that can win games Does make me chuckle when supporters say "we don't care if we lose, we just want be entertained" Cool, you'll be entertained out of the league and into Sunday morning kickabouts in the park. Maybe I'm old school, I want my team to win, if I'm entertained along the way it's a bonus. I'm aware teams can do both. " An approach that certainly worked for George Graham, until it stopped working for George Graham. | |||
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" Plus, he seems to have made his mind up how he wants the team to play. This is why im starting to like him. I admit that I couldn't understand what the fucking strategy was in the first game, but now i get it. Whilst it doesn't make for beautiful football, it could be effective. When I got the job my first thoughts were; Too young. Too dour. Too dull. Too inexperienced. He'll lose a few games and get the sack. Right man for the job my arse. I thought he'd just be in charge until they found the right man, like emergency cover. My opinion is seriously revised. Go Southgate!!!!!!! He is dull and dour, but he's found dull and dour tactics that can win games Does make me chuckle when supporters say "we don't care if we lose, we just want be entertained" Cool, you'll be entertained out of the league and into Sunday morning kickabouts in the park. Maybe I'm old school, I want my team to win, if I'm entertained along the way it's a bonus. I'm aware teams can do both. An approach that certainly worked for George Graham, until it stopped working for George Graham." Nothing lasts for ever. | |||
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