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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
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By (user no longer on site)
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There are wins and loses in every aspect of life. Whether its sports, or a job interview
I always push my kids to go for the win, but if they lose, just make sure they learn from it and move forward.
Life isn't as sugar coated as some people would like their kids to believe |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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I'm all for a bit of competition, especially at sports day. I was disappointed when they stopped doing the parents race!
At my kids old primary school they used to have team games and then a few traditional races ~ which everyone seemed to enjoy more  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There are wins and loses in every aspect of life. Whether its sports, or a job interview
I always push my kids to go for the win, but if they lose, just make sure they learn from it and move forward.
Life isn't as sugar coated as some people would like their kids to believe"
This. For some reason it's frowned upon to be competitive at sport but we should be encouraging kids if they show ability in anything (bar mugging old ladies of course )
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By (user no longer on site)
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I really don’t see what’s wrong with competing at sports day.
Competition is there in every aspect of daily life, it’s not about steely eyed win at all costs determination but teaching them to act with pride and to do their best; to win with grace and lose with dignity, then to learn from that experience.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm all for a bit of competition, especially at sports day. I was disappointed when they stopped doing the parents race!
At my kids old primary school they used to have team games and then a few traditional races ~ which everyone seemed to enjoy more "
"Oh go on then I'll do the mum's race. It's just a bit of fun."
*Race starts*
High heels kicked off into the faces of little kids in the crowd...
"Out of my way motherfuckers or I WILL kill you!!!!!" 
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If everyone is a winner then no one is a winner surely?
Parents who think there should be no losers will probably live with their kids when they're 40."
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Tricky one I think I'm all for reinforcing a team spirit rather than there being winners and losers. I used to watch my youngest who always did win her races,but when there was a team event she was terrible if someone on her team was losing as she was so competitive,not something she's learned from me as I'm generally not. She did learn within time to be more part of a team and shout to encourage rather than be incredibly disappointed when her team lost.
If you're rubbish at sport it's not great for a child to be the continually coming last,I wouldn't want that to be my child and must be upsetting. |
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A well done for taking part, sure. But all winners no losers?
Why shouldn't the kid who ran their hardest and crossed the line first get a better reward for their effort than the kid who though 'fuck this' and walked the course because they were forced in to taking part by their teacher..... yes I am remembering my own sports day from wayyyy back |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm all for a bit of competition, especially at sports day. I was disappointed when they stopped doing the parents race!
At my kids old primary school they used to have team games and then a few traditional races ~ which everyone seemed to enjoy more
"Oh go on then I'll do the mum's race. It's just a bit of fun."
*Race starts*
High heels kicked off into the faces of little kids in the crowd...
"Out of my way motherfuckers or I WILL kill you!!!!!"
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The dad's race used to end up with them all powering through the perimeter fence and mums with broken noses so they stopped it at our school  |
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"Tricky one I think I'm all for reinforcing a team spirit rather than there being winners and losers. I used to watch my youngest who always did win her races,but when there was a team event she was terrible if someone on her team was losing as she was so competitive,not something she's learned from me as I'm generally not. She did learn within time to be more part of a team and shout to encourage rather than be incredibly disappointed when her team lost.
If you're rubbish at sport it's not great for a child to be the continually coming last,I wouldn't want that to be my child and must be upsetting. "
I hated teamsports because the better players never learned to play as a team. They just refused to believe that some kids were always going to be slower or less coordinated especially with a ball. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Has anyone thought to ask the kids what they want?"
They don't count do they? At least that's what the powers that be who force teams of paperwork on staff, and concentrate almost solely on inspection results or teaching targets, seem to want. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Tough one to call. But isn't this how we are breeding a generation of entitlement filled with spoiled and miserable children who have no idea of the real world until they leave school and realise how cutthroat life can be?
There's many pros and cons but I'd rather it be the same as any other sport you'd see on the TV.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"A well done for taking part, sure. But all winners no losers?
Why shouldn't the kid who ran their hardest and crossed the line first get a better reward for their effort than the kid who though 'fuck this' and walked the course because they were forced in to taking part by their teacher..... yes I am remembering my own sports day from wayyyy back "
Yeah good point. We shouldn't be cheering on the losers and ignoring the winners. It can sometimes seem to go that way.
I was always last and they never cheered me on. They'd all gone home when I rolled in at the finish line. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm all for a bit of competition, especially at sports day. I was disappointed when they stopped doing the parents race!
At my kids old primary school they used to have team games and then a few traditional races ~ which everyone seemed to enjoy more
"Oh go on then I'll do the mum's race. It's just a bit of fun."
*Race starts*
High heels kicked off into the faces of little kids in the crowd...
"Out of my way motherfuckers or I WILL kill you!!!!!"
The dad's race used to end up with them all powering through the perimeter fence and mums with broken noses so they stopped it at our school "
Where was that, borstal?
Everyones a winner just produces an entitlement attitude. Life is competitive. Team working is to be encouraged, but the gifted should be allowed to shine. It might be all they are good at. |
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The only problem with winners and losers I think is when the losers are belittled and the winners over-elevated which has the same effect.
If kids and people in general weren't made to feel so shitty about not winning, then there wouldn't be so many adults with resulting psychological and emotional issues.
In my humble etc  |
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"Tricky one I think I'm all for reinforcing a team spirit rather than there being winners and losers. I used to watch my youngest who always did win her races,but when there was a team event she was terrible if someone on her team was losing as she was so competitive,not something she's learned from me as I'm generally not. She did learn within time to be more part of a team and shout to encourage rather than be incredibly disappointed when her team lost.
If you're rubbish at sport it's not great for a child to be the continually coming last,I wouldn't want that to be my child and must be upsetting.
I hated teamsports because the better players never learned to play as a team. They just refused to believe that some kids were always going to be slower or less coordinated especially with a ball."
Yep like I say it's not easy either way. It's down to everyone children and adults to be incredibly encouraging whatever their ability. |
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By *iffaWoman
over a year ago
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Depends on the age of the kids. Under 12s should focus more on building skills and confidence and teamwork. There is no benefit to kids this age to be losers. It seems to be parents who want there kids to be winners that are the problem. Teenage years will do enough to suck the confidence out of them |
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"The only problem with winners and losers I think is when the losers are belittled and the winners over-elevated which has the same effect.
If kids and people in general weren't made to feel so shitty about not winning, then there wouldn't be so many adults with resulting psychological and emotional issues.
In my humble etc "
I'd like to see schools finding what each kid is good at and celebrating them for that. Whether it's spelling, running, geography, drawing etc etc. |
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It's all about mindset.
If you never lose you end up with an unhealthy fixed mindset. Where any challenge becomes impossible to overcome and then give up with crappy excuses and blame.
There is nothing wrong with losing and those that lose but work at winning will always accomplish more and be better people as they grow into adulthood.
This is the growth mindset
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"Depends on the age of the kids. Under 12s should focus more on building skills and confidence and teamwork. There is no benefit to kids this age to be losers. It seems to be parents who want there kids to be winners that are the problem. Teenage years will do enough to suck the confidence out of them "
Crikey yeah. Parents at kids football matches!! |
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"A well done for taking part, sure. But all winners no losers?
Why shouldn't the kid who ran their hardest and crossed the line first get a better reward for their effort than the kid who though 'fuck this' and walked the course because they were forced in to taking part by their teacher..... yes I am remembering my own sports day from wayyyy back
Yeah good point. We shouldn't be cheering on the losers and ignoring the winners. It can sometimes seem to go that way.
I was always last and they never cheered me on. They'd all gone home when I rolled in at the finish line. "
Well I seem to remember my PE teacher doing her version of cheering me on. It consisted of her walking beside me screaming in my face, and she wondered why I hated sports. |
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I hated sports day or any kind of sport involving teams as I was always picked last when I was a kid if I remember.
As for this all winners and no losers, that would make sports events completely pointless as it wouldn't teach kids a very good lesson on winning and losing. |
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think? "
Is the “No losers because...” quite an actual quote?
From experience, a lot of these so called PC gone mad stories don’t stand up to much scrutiny.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think? "
Failure is also a lesson that must be learnt |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The only problem with winners and losers I think is when the losers are belittled and the winners over-elevated which has the same effect.
If kids and people in general weren't made to feel so shitty about not winning, then there wouldn't be so many adults with resulting psychological and emotional issues.
In my humble etc
I'd like to see schools finding what each kid is good at and celebrating them for that. Whether it's spelling, running, geography, drawing etc etc. "
They do do that, I mean a lot of schools do the gold star thing and prizes for more cerebral achievements and so on. But sports are still seen as the best thing to win at, our culture values sporting achievements over so many other things.
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They brought in an activity day at my local school where children could queue up and take part in different activities. Then everyone got a medal for taking part.
Lasted one year. A bit of competition is health for development. It’s all very well taking into account the less good but winners need to be taken into account when identifying those with potential.
Taking “part” has made a mockery of national institutions such as the London marathon etc. It grinds my gears to see people treat like a stroll then flaunt a medal because they have been on a walk. |
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"I hated sports day or any kind of sport involving teams as I was always picked last when I was a kid if I remember.
As for this all winners and no losers, that would make sports events completely pointless as it wouldn't teach kids a very good lesson on winning and losing."
Same. I detested sports at school and was shit at all of them. This might have left me with a slightly biased opinion |
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"I hated sports day or any kind of sport involving teams as I was always picked last when I was a kid if I remember.
As for this all winners and no losers, that would make sports events completely pointless as it wouldn't teach kids a very good lesson on winning and losing."
The thing is that’s life and I bet you excelled in other areas like drama. Life has a funny way of evening itself out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I really don’t see what’s wrong with competing at sports day.
Competition is there in every aspect of daily life, it’s not about steely eyed win at all costs determination but teaching them to act with pride and to do their best; to win with grace and lose with dignity, then to learn from that experience.
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Exactly, if they arent allowed to have winners and losers, how can they ever learn to show good sportsmanship?
How do they learn to not give up and follow your dreams however tough it is.
Life isn’t always going to go your way, things aren’t just handed to you on a plate.. you have to work hard and take some knock backs in life to succeed. |
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"I hated sports day or any kind of sport involving teams as I was always picked last when I was a kid if I remember.
As for this all winners and no losers, that would make sports events completely pointless as it wouldn't teach kids a very good lesson on winning and losing.
The thing is that’s life and I bet you excelled in other areas like drama. Life has a funny way of evening itself out. "
I loved Drama. It was my favourite lesson at secondary school. I even did performing arts courses at college years ago and passed them both |
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"Tricky one I think I'm all for reinforcing a team spirit rather than there being winners and losers. I used to watch my youngest who always did win her races,but when there was a team event she was terrible if someone on her team was losing as she was so competitive,not something she's learned from me as I'm generally not. She did learn within time to be more part of a team and shout to encourage rather than be incredibly disappointed when her team lost.
If you're rubbish at sport it's not great for a child to be the continually coming last,I wouldn't want that to be my child and must be upsetting. "
How about the child who never does well at maths? Should the teacher not give out the correct answers to avoid upsetting them? |
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"I really don’t see what’s wrong with competing at sports day.
Competition is there in every aspect of daily life, it’s not about steely eyed win at all costs determination but teaching them to act with pride and to do their best; to win with grace and lose with dignity, then to learn from that experience.
Exactly, if they arent allowed to have winners and losers, how can they ever learn to show good sportsmanship? "
They won't. They'll just turn into whiny, entitled brats |
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By (user no longer on site)
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We used to have an annual masters(posh school) v pupils cricket match.
Each side was so desperate to win it got a little out of hand some years.
But afterwards we all shook hands and had good laugh about the damage we had inflicted on each other.
Competition is good. |
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think? "
OP would you entertain the idea that the answer could be different for boys and girls? |
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I hated sports (still do) I think mainly because,as far as lads were concerned, many of them took it far too seriously. I certainly enjoyed being screamed at by them for having fifty pee feet, only for me to laugh in their faces when I reminded them "its only a game ffs!". That always annoyed the shit out of them. Not one of them could beat me in a 100m sprint or a cross country run. I even used to smoke a fag on the cross country run! |
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My kid already understands the concept of winning and losing. She regularly does points fighting, light contact and continuous fights in kickboxing and knows that if she doesn't win she'll get her arse handed to her and no trophy or medal at the end. |
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"I hated sports (still do) I think mainly because,as far as lads were concerned, many of them took it far too seriously. I certainly enjoyed being screamed at by them for having fifty pee feet, only for me to laugh in their faces when I reminded them "its only a game ffs!". That always annoyed the shit out of them. Not one of them could beat me in a 100m sprint or a cross country run. I even used to smoke a fag on the cross country run!"
Are you getting your "2 left feet" mixed up with your "50p head"? |
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The school should reward the winner, and the parents should encourage their own children who lose for taking part.
The most successful people don't win at everything they do, they learn not to see a loss as a challenge, something to overcome, to try and try and try.
Some people think this mentality is only relevant in sports, but it is needed in business, science in everything.
Look at Elon musk, trying to make tesla and his boring compnay and space x, it is loss after loss after loss after loss for him, but he keeps going and eventually there might be a win at the end of the line.
Any decent scientist, will run experiment after experiment after experiment failing each time, and when they hit success they win.
Its pretty much essential to success that you lose a lot growing up.
Even messi would fail over and over and over in his early years, but never gave up. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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"I'm all for a bit of competition, especially at sports day. I was disappointed when they stopped doing the parents race!
At my kids old primary school they used to have team games and then a few traditional races ~ which everyone seemed to enjoy more
"Oh go on then I'll do the mum's race. It's just a bit of fun."
*Race starts*
High heels kicked off into the faces of little kids in the crowd...
"Out of my way motherfuckers or I WILL kill you!!!!!"
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Haha....Yes that's it! They stopped the parents race because one of the dad's jogging bottoms fell down when he was running |
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I was so Shit useless at sports when I was at school. Aged 7 I failed to qualify for any races, foolishly I put my hand up when asked if anyone wasn't in a race. I got put in the obstacle race with all the other non qualifiyers, I came last which was very humiliating.
The next 3 years I didn't put my hand up to admit I wasn't in any races. It's not about who runs the hardest, some people just can't run fast.
In my day sport was all about who was best at it.
I think the team thing is better to be honest, you get a mix of abilities in them so it's fairer.
Yes of course there are winners and losers in life but sport is not something everyone can be good at.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think?
Is the “No losers because...” quite an actual quote?
From experience, a lot of these so called PC gone mad stories don’t stand up to much scrutiny...."
Not an actual quote but that was the gist of it, yes. |
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think? "
The latter. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think?
OP would you entertain the idea that the answer could be different for boys and girls? "
I'm always open for people to change my mind.
How would the answer be different for each? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The school should reward the winner, and the parents should encourage their own children who lose for taking part.
The most successful people don't win at everything they do, they learn not to see a loss as a challenge, something to overcome, to try and try and try.
Some people think this mentality is only relevant in sports, but it is needed in business, science in everything.
Look at Elon musk, trying to make tesla and his boring compnay and space x, it is loss after loss after loss after loss for him, but he keeps going and eventually there might be a win at the end of the line.
Any decent scientist, will run experiment after experiment after experiment failing each time, and when they hit success they win.
Its pretty much essential to success that you lose a lot growing up.
Even messi would fail over and over and over in his early years, but never gave up."
Love this. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I was so Shit useless at sports when I was at school. Aged 7 I failed to qualify for any races, foolishly I put my hand up when asked if anyone wasn't in a race. I got put in the obstacle race with all the other non qualifiyers, I came last which was very humiliating.
The next 3 years I didn't put my hand up to admit I wasn't in any races. It's not about who runs the hardest, some people just can't run fast.
In my day sport was all about who was best at it.
I think the team thing is better to be honest, you get a mix of abilities in them so it's fairer.
Yes of course there are winners and losers in life but sport is not something everyone can be good at.
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I'm shit at sport. In school I used to deliberately be last so that someone else didn't have to be last.
In work I ask the stupid questions so that someone else doesn't have to. They think I'm a muppet. They're probably right. |
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think?
OP would you entertain the idea that the answer could be different for boys and girls?
I'm always open for people to change my mind.
How would the answer be different for each?"
Let's say that we could perform a proper study of it, testing and weighing the pro's and con's. It's quite likely you would find that, on average, boys are more competitive than girls and for every one that gets a self esteem boost from not being identified as a loser, you'd do more damage by stunting the development of the majority who need to learn to compete, including sportsmanship.
I think chimpanzee societies are a great example of why boys, in particular, need to learn to compete in a particular way.
You'd probably find that the reverse could be true for girls, who are, on average, more cooperative and group focussed than boys.
So if we were strictly going on what was best for the maximum number of children, we'd probably ensure the boys sports day was fully competitive and give all the girls a trophy for taking part. |
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By *abs..Woman
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I feel children need to learn that they may not be great at everything but that’s ok and therefore sometimes they may lose a well as win. Shielding children from the emotions that go along with losing isn’t helping them. They need to experience the feeling and understand how to deal with it instead of just expecting all things in life to be equal because that’s what we’ve taught them. That is setting them up for a lot of disappointment and heartache later on in life. |
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think? "
it's damaging to a child that comes last to be cheered no motivation to do better think that whole idea of thinking is stupid |
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It’s interesting , particularly with the World Cup now underway , that we should be talking about whether schoolchildren should compete in events where there will be winners and losers .
Since 1966 we’ve won fuck all , and since then we’ve heard all manner of reasons why this is . Perhaps because we teach kids that it’s the taking part that matters , not winning ?
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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My kids school split all the classes into teams so that each team had someone from P1, P2, etc. They then did 10 different challenges and the top team won. It was a great afternoon and some of the parents helped to count the scores.
We need to learn how to win and lose gracefully and about sportsmanship. Scotland needs to learn how to win, just look at our football team! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Nothing wrong with healthy competition. I don't say to my children that it's the 'taking part that counts' until after the event. I always tell them to go out there and do their best and try to win, but they have my full support and they know that I'm tremendously proud even if they come last. |
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"I hated sports (still do) I think mainly because,as far as lads were concerned, many of them took it far too seriously. I certainly enjoyed being screamed at by them for having fifty pee feet, only for me to laugh in their faces when I reminded them "its only a game ffs!". That always annoyed the shit out of them. Not one of them could beat me in a 100m sprint or a cross country run. I even used to smoke a fag on the cross country run!
Are you getting your "2 left feet" mixed up with your "50p head"? "
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"It’s interesting , particularly with the World Cup now underway , that we should be talking about whether schoolchildren should compete in events where there will be winners and losers .
Since 1966 we’ve won fuck all , and since then we’ve heard all manner of reasons why this is . Perhaps because we teach kids that it’s the taking part that matters , not winning ?
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I have had many an argument about this.
I am totally against the idea of "everyone" wins. This prize for finishing 10th out of ten is terrible in my eyes. How can you appreciate winning if you never lose!? I'm no world class athlete (you can see that from my pics) but because I didn't win, it pushed me to do better and be in amongst it. Not only in sport but anything I did.
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"A well done for taking part, sure. But all winners no losers?
Why shouldn't the kid who ran their hardest and crossed the line first get a better reward for their effort than the kid who though 'fuck this' and walked the course because they were forced in to taking part by their teacher..... yes I am remembering my own sports day from wayyyy back
Yeah good point. We shouldn't be cheering on the losers and ignoring the winners. It can sometimes seem to go that way.
I was always last and they never cheered me on. They'd all gone home when I rolled in at the finish line. "
I'd be rolling up at the finish line from the previous sports day when they were coming back for the next one the year after.
I remember getting trapped under some tarpaulin during the obstacle race by an older kid, the tosser pushed it down so tight I could barely crawl under it. Came in last and no one was cheering me on. Fuckers. Swore that day I'd just bunk off whenever there was another sports day. |
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"A well done for taking part, sure. But all winners no losers?
Why shouldn't the kid who ran their hardest and crossed the line first get a better reward for their effort than the kid who though 'fuck this' and walked the course because they were forced in to taking part by their teacher..... yes I am remembering my own sports day from wayyyy back
Yeah good point. We shouldn't be cheering on the losers and ignoring the winners. It can sometimes seem to go that way.
I was always last and they never cheered me on. They'd all gone home when I rolled in at the finish line.
I'd be rolling up at the finish line from the previous sports day when they were coming back for the next one the year after.
I remember getting trapped under some tarpaulin during the obstacle race by an older kid, the tosser pushed it down so tight I could barely crawl under it. Came in last and no one was cheering me on. Fuckers. Swore that day I'd just bunk off whenever there was another sports day."
Did it put you off trying at anything or just sports?
Sorry that sounds mean, not sure how else to word it. I don't mean it in a bad way! |
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think?
OP would you entertain the idea that the answer could be different for boys and girls?
I'm always open for people to change my mind.
How would the answer be different for each?
Let's say that we could perform a proper study of it, testing and weighing the pro's and con's. It's quite likely you would find that, on average, boys are more competitive than girls and for every one that gets a self esteem boost from not being identified as a loser, you'd do more damage by stunting the development of the majority who need to learn to compete, including sportsmanship.
I think chimpanzee societies are a great example of why boys, in particular, need to learn to compete in a particular way.
You'd probably find that the reverse could be true for girls, who are, on average, more cooperative and group focussed than boys.
So if we were strictly going on what was best for the maximum number of children, we'd probably ensure the boys sports day was fully competitive and give all the girls a trophy for taking part. "
I can see how that could be true for some boys/ girls, but not all. |
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"My kids school split all the classes into teams so that each team had someone from P1, P2, etc. They then did 10 different challenges and the top team won. It was a great afternoon and some of the parents helped to count the scores.
We need to learn how to win and lose gracefully and about sportsmanship. Scotland needs to learn how to win, just look at our football team! "
That sounds like a good plan. Mixed teams would make it a fair competition.
No idea about footie. As Gloswingers say, we pretty much expect England to lose. Not a good expectation. Resigned to failure. Although we do still take part.
Eddie the eagle. |
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Wish they would bring back a parents race.
They joy of watching boobs bounce out of control.
My daughter has been doing athletics club after school she said she is now one of the fasts girls now. She's looking forward to taking part.
Win or loose. |
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I believe that competition helps to teach the value of hard work... not just momentary effort, but long term too.
There is nothing more empowering than seeing the genuine improvements achieved from your hard work.
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think?
OP would you entertain the idea that the answer could be different for boys and girls?
I'm always open for people to change my mind.
How would the answer be different for each?
Let's say that we could perform a proper study of it, testing and weighing the pro's and con's. It's quite likely you would find that, on average, boys are more competitive than girls and for every one that gets a self esteem boost from not being identified as a loser, you'd do more damage by stunting the development of the majority who need to learn to compete, including sportsmanship.
I think chimpanzee societies are a great example of why boys, in particular, need to learn to compete in a particular way.
You'd probably find that the reverse could be true for girls, who are, on average, more cooperative and group focussed than boys.
So if we were strictly going on what was best for the maximum number of children, we'd probably ensure the boys sports day was fully competitive and give all the girls a trophy for taking part.
I can see how that could be true for some boys/ girls, but not all. "
But there is no system that's good for everyone. I'm talking about doing the most good to the most kids. |
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think?
OP would you entertain the idea that the answer could be different for boys and girls?
I'm always open for people to change my mind.
How would the answer be different for each?
Let's say that we could perform a proper study of it, testing and weighing the pro's and con's. It's quite likely you would find that, on average, boys are more competitive than girls and for every one that gets a self esteem boost from not being identified as a loser, you'd do more damage by stunting the development of the majority who need to learn to compete, including sportsmanship.
I think chimpanzee societies are a great example of why boys, in particular, need to learn to compete in a particular way.
You'd probably find that the reverse could be true for girls, who are, on average, more cooperative and group focussed than boys.
So if we were strictly going on what was best for the maximum number of children, we'd probably ensure the boys sports day was fully competitive and give all the girls a trophy for taking part.
I can see how that could be true for some boys/ girls, but not all.
But there is no system that's good for everyone. I'm talking about doing the most good to the most kids. "
Ah ok sorry.
That's got me thinking.... |
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"A well done for taking part, sure. But all winners no losers?
Why shouldn't the kid who ran their hardest and crossed the line first get a better reward for their effort than the kid who though 'fuck this' and walked the course because they were forced in to taking part by their teacher..... yes I am remembering my own sports day from wayyyy back
Yeah good point. We shouldn't be cheering on the losers and ignoring the winners. It can sometimes seem to go that way.
I was always last and they never cheered me on. They'd all gone home when I rolled in at the finish line.
I'd be rolling up at the finish line from the previous sports day when they were coming back for the next one the year after.
I remember getting trapped under some tarpaulin during the obstacle race by an older kid, the tosser pushed it down so tight I could barely crawl under it. Came in last and no one was cheering me on. Fuckers. Swore that day I'd just bunk off whenever there was another sports day.
Did it put you off trying at anything or just sports?
Sorry that sounds mean, not sure how else to word it. I don't mean it in a bad way!"
Sports mostly. I was still quite academic and I always tried to focus during class if I liked the subject. I liked learning, still do, I just didn't like the people. |
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"Debate about sports day at schools.
Some people think everyone should be a winner just for taking part. "No losers because some people are sad when they lose."
Some people think there should be winners, to teach kids about the real world and competition. "The kids last in the race often get the loudest cheers to encourage them to finish."
What do you think?
OP would you entertain the idea that the answer could be different for boys and girls?
I'm always open for people to change my mind.
How would the answer be different for each?
Let's say that we could perform a proper study of it, testing and weighing the pro's and con's. It's quite likely you would find that, on average, boys are more competitive than girls and for every one that gets a self esteem boost from not being identified as a loser, you'd do more damage by stunting the development of the majority who need to learn to compete, including sportsmanship.
I think chimpanzee societies are a great example of why boys, in particular, need to learn to compete in a particular way.
You'd probably find that the reverse could be true for girls, who are, on average, more cooperative and group focussed than boys.
So if we were strictly going on what was best for the maximum number of children, we'd probably ensure the boys sports day was fully competitive and give all the girls a trophy for taking part.
I can see how that could be true for some boys/ girls, but not all.
But there is no system that's good for everyone. I'm talking about doing the most good to the most kids.
Ah ok sorry.
That's got me thinking...."
Men make up just 15% of primary school teachers and 38% of secondary school ones. Anecdotally, i would offer that every single teacher i have seen on the news who wants to make sports day less competitive, was a woman. Their rationale is nearly always some version of "I'm shit at sports and i hated it, it damaged by self esteem".
I wish that would have been a valid reason for me to get out of doing maths lessons back in the day  |
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