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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

Someone who doesn't, doesn't deserve any sympathy or understanding, they are the most evil of people. But part of being a narcissist means most of the people they come into contact with can't see it. Until it's too late.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

A few may be evil, many are just deluded, and all are deeply damaged. As such, as a group, they have my sympathy same as any other damaged human being, even if I can't offer that to those who would hurt me personally. I simply need to defend myself against those, or distance myself from them!

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By *edbath 5Man over a year ago

london

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry"

Internet buzzword

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

Your right and those people are very evil because they are can manipulate you without you even realising!! Having been in that situation to a certain extent (although not as bad as some people have) I hope I would maybe recognise it in the future! X

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By *0tt0nSu3Woman over a year ago

London

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry"

This is one situation where you do need to understand.They can break your soul without a second thought.

Recognise the signs so you can walk away. Fast.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I might be a tad narcissistic but I can accept criticism and can accept when I'm wrong. Wouldn't say I was evil though as I want all people to like me, wouldn't do anything nasty to anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you read up on it, true narcissists are completely unaware of their behaviour and don't reflect on their behaviour.

The world's full of all chameleons I think...they adapt to the environment and fit in according to their own needs.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

Internet buzzword"

Good grief.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Narcissist? In love with yourself? Sounds like a good idea to me. In that sense I find that word too vague and gobbledygooky. It's psychology babble. For what? Who knows

Ego maniac? Total fucking twat who is happy riding over others to get what they want? Yeah I totally agree. Steer well clear. I much prefer real world language that clearly identifies real world types of people to weird words that refer to something you have to squint to try and see

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Luckily not come across it much.

Can’t help feel there is something more to this OP have you met one recently?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective"----Highly agree to this statement. So its always good to carry reality check, but first with urself!!

people who don't realise they are, just calm down and let the law of nature act!! I promise, if you show patience and don't try to punish someone urself, you will be so amazed with karma's reaction/punishment!!

but first of all my (I repeat MY) way taking life is.. "if someone does hurt you, rather than thinking how did they, think carefully why did they?" 80% of negative thoughts will be finished within

if not pay attention to above points!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

This is one situation where you do need to understand.They can break your soul without a second thought.

Recognise the signs so you can walk away. Fast."

On it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I always thought it was because lex luger knocked people out with his metal elbow oops

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The world revolves around me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The world revolves around me

Were all someones sun

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thinking laterally, maybe those who tbink others are narcissistic are in fact the offenders! They don't like the fact the other party isn't complying with their position?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"A few may be evil, many are just deluded, and all are deeply damaged. As such, as a group, they have my sympathy same as any other damaged human being, even if I can't offer that to those who would hurt me personally. I simply need to defend myself against those, or distance myself from them!"

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

There's no cure, a narcissist will always be a narcissist. And yeah, they're evil.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Luckily not come across it much.

Can’t help feel there is something more to this OP have you met one recently? "

I've met a couple over the years. And I've been involved in a psychiatric situation with one. They're impossible people to deal with and will destroy others with no guilt.

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By *rontier PsychiatristMan over a year ago

Coventry

Hmmmm..... Bit of a difficult one been there my my self unluckily. I think the mandatory wearing of some kind of forehead stamp could work?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hmmmm..... Bit of a difficult one been there my my self unluckily. I think the mandatory wearing of some kind of forehead stamp could work?"

Or they could do a Morrissey and carry a daffodil in their back pockets.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

They get both my sympathy and my understanding, as they are flawed human beings like us all whose issues are not of their own making - it doesn't mean I would do anything but try to avoid them for my own good.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

There's no cure, a narcissist will always be a narcissist. And yeah, they're evil. "

Isn’t this the hallmark of a sociopath too? I’m just skim reading here but the kind of person you seem to be describing would seem to fit more into that category

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm no narcissist. I'm way too perfect.

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By *ingle Dad SeekingMan over a year ago

Northern England

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry"

A well known US psychiatrist came out and called Trump a "toxic narcissist" - and there's your definition.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's no cure, a narcissist will always be a narcissist. And yeah, they're evil. "

They say the same for psychopaths (i.e people who lack any empathy for others). Is this what you mean by "narcissist"? Non-combative question. I'm just curious as I'm trying to get a handle on what you mean.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's no cure, a narcissist will always be a narcissist. And yeah, they're evil.

You could Google "narcissistic personality disorder." It's a recognised condition

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By *0tt0nSu3Woman over a year ago

London

"Luckily not come across it much.

Can’t help feel there is something more to this OP have you met one recently?

I've met a couple over the years. And I've been involved in a psychiatric situation with one. They're impossible people to deal with and will destroy others with no guilt. "

I had a boss who was a full blown narcissist. It was not fun. Not fun at all.

Have no sympathy for them. You cannot afford to. Cut them off and walk away.

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By *edangel_2013Woman over a year ago

southend

It is my least favourite of the personality disorders to work with. You can't work with them to manage their offending behaviour because it is never their fault. Take up so much time to so little benefit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

One of my friends has been involved with a narcisst and to be watching from the outside has been very frustrating.

He treats her like a commodity and is completely self absorbed yet plays the victim if he is ever challenged. He is completely oblivious to it, that's the worst part. He genuinely believes he does no wrong and the "drama" in his life is all brought from other people, he doesn't see the common factor is him.

He is totally toxic but thankfully she is seeing it now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's no cure, a narcissist will always be a narcissist. And yeah, they're evil.

You could Google "narcissistic personality disorder." It's a recognised condition "

Ahh so it's short hand for some kind of medical diagnosis. I knew I was reading it as too broad a term. I'll go check if out. Thanks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh I see. Yeah. That's basically a psychopath. Yeah I tend to try and stay away from psychopaths if I can

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have to say I love the forums now but I can’t belive how freakily timed some of the posts are

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You see a lot narcissism on the forums, no one really gives a shit what anyone else is comment is, just that there’s has been ignored. The hot or not threads are transparent too, it’s not to give a compliment out, but to get one back, that’s the only reason people comment on those.

Then those that never leave page one on the hot photos, but have no interest in the men that Fab there photos or message, it’s just a contant ego boost.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have to say I love the forums now but I can’t belive how freakily timed some of the posts are"

Bumped into a psycho lately then?

I hope not

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By *arnayguyMan over a year ago

Durham Tees

They are out there. There are the obviously dangerous ones like Trump. I have also come into contact with them, to my cost, where their view of shafting someone in business is great business sense. Their brain cannot compute how wrong it might be because they are winning in their mind. But hear how they bleat and scream if they are the ones getting shafted.

Then there are the occasional narcissists on here who can't resist turning a thread into being about them, bless 'em. I might even start playing 'When is it about me Bingo' with one or two of them and see how long it takes for them to get the thread focused onto them.

Yes OP, various types, various levels of danger, annoyance or disbelief at how they behave and occasional amusement.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They are out there. There are the obviously dangerous ones like Trump. I have also come into contact with them, to my cost, where their view of shafting someone in business is great business sense. Their brain cannot compute how wrong it might be because they are winning in their mind. But hear how they bleat and scream if they are the ones getting shafted.

Yes OP, various types, various levels of danger, annoyance or disbelief at how they behave and occasional amusement. "

‘Occasional narcissists’, what’s that, they’re only narcissistic at the weekends?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have been lucky not to date this type of person. But recently noticed it in a friend who is going full blown narcissistic. It’s not a nice trait at all. I got out quick, but she is dragging others down with her. They are dropping like flies though. She will have no one left. Feel sorry for her. As nothing you can do . An in her diffence she really has no idea how bad she treats people.

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By *innie The MinxWoman over a year ago

Under the Duvet

"It is my least favourite of the personality disorders to work with. You can't work with them to manage their offending behaviour because it is never their fault. Take up so much time to so little benefit."

Nail on head. It's a personality disorder. It isnt something you choose to be or have.

Yes narcs are toxic and destructive.

But come on people... We as adults have choices whether we engage with them. We have choices whether we leave them, avoid them or stay and suck it up.

I'm not being blasé here. I'm speaking from experience.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nail on head. It's a personality disorder. It isnt something you choose to be or have.

Yes narcs are toxic and destructive.

But come on people... We as adults have choices whether we engage with them. We have choices whether we leave them, avoid them or stay and suck it up.

I'm not being blasé here. I'm speaking from experience."

I think you two just summed up a large part of the reason why I left my ex

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By *arnayguyMan over a year ago

Durham Tees

Yes OP, various types, various levels of danger, annoyance or disbelief at how they behave and occasional amusement.

‘Occasional narcissists’, what’s that, they’re only narcissistic at the weekends? "

As in I have only occasionally noticed them but coincidentally to this thread, I have noticed it more frequently recently.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Nail on head. It's a personality disorder. It isnt something you choose to be or have.

Yes narcs are toxic and destructive.

But come on people... We as adults have choices whether we engage with them. We have choices whether we leave them, avoid them or stay and suck it up.

I'm not being blasé here. I'm speaking from experience."

That's the point, narcissists can be extremely difficult to a) spot and b) refuse to engage with.

They're incredibly plausible and attractive. Until they're not, and then it's sometimes too late.

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By *ire_bladeMan over a year ago

Manchester

Freaks how ever you look at them. Was married to 1 almost married another. So wish I knew then what I know now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Jesus. By definition most of the people on here could be called narcissistic or show characteristics of narcissism??Everyone that puts up a picture in the search for a page 1 ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jesus. By definition most of the people on here could be called narcissistic or show characteristics of narcissism??Everyone that puts up a picture in the search for a page 1 ??"

My initial reaction. But I think the op is specifically referring to people with narcissistic personality disorder. Google it. I did

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jesus. By definition most of the people on here could be called narcissistic or show characteristics of narcissism??Everyone that puts up a picture in the search for a page 1 ??

My initial reaction. But I think the op is specifically referring to people with narcissistic personality disorder. Google it. I did

Oh it’s now an sti

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Jesus. By definition most of the people on here could be called narcissistic or show characteristics of narcissism??Everyone that puts up a picture in the search for a page 1 ??"

We all have those traits. Everyone does. But putting a photo up isn't exactly hurting anyone. Although, having said that if your photo beats someone else's photo who's a narcissist, you probably piss them right off.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Very concise and well conceived discussion Elpis x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Jesus. By definition most of the people on here could be called narcissistic or show characteristics of narcissism??Everyone that puts up a picture in the search for a page 1 ??

You’ve prompted me to do a little research. And unfortunately those traits are ingrained in our society. Social media etc etc. Not entirely sure it’s all narcissism, more like a combination of things. I like to call them assholes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Anyway faf

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Elpis, is there a way to message you directly? I would like to discuss your articulate point in greater detail

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Elpis, is there a way to message you directly? I would like to discuss your articulate point in greater detail "

Not old enough Mate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Who is more the fool ?

The fool or the fool that follows the fool...?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Will fuck for likes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ah, makes sense now. ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have come up with a guide to avoid these type of people when looking for a partner....

1. Don’t date only children

2. Don’t date women who don’t have pretty girlfriends.

3. Don’t date women who aspire to be famous

The one caveat is that you can have sex with these types. Just don’t marry them.

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

Exactly my sentiments. I escaped a passive aggressive narcissist at a young age, it breaks my heart that they are that damaged but I won’t allow it to damage me. They are out of my life.

I recognise a level of narcissism in myself that I don’t like all that much but I work on it constantly, know better, do better.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Elpis, is there a way to message you directly? I would like to discuss your articulate point in greater detail "

You’ve got two hopes, no hope and Bob Hope.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have to say I love the forums now but I can’t belive how freakily timed some of the posts are

Bumped into a psycho lately then?

I hope not "

A few lol most are good friends

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By *riefcase_WankerMan over a year ago

Milton Keynes

Yes OP, various types, various levels of danger, annoyance or disbelief at how they behave and occasional amusement.

‘Occasional narcissists’, what’s that, they’re only narcissistic at the weekends? "

As opposed to those suffering from narcissistic fibrosis, which is the far more severe and debilitating version

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

That pretty much sums up my housemate

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

There are many differences between a psychopath and a narcissist. Psychology today has a good article on it.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I have come up with a guide to avoid these type of people when looking for a partner....

1. Don’t date only children

2. Don’t date women who don’t have pretty girlfriends.

3. Don’t date women who aspire to be famous

The one caveat is that you can have sex with these types. Just don’t marry them."

Not very good advice.

Narcissism is shown to be increasing but particularly in countries with highly individualist cultures (e.g. UK, US, Canada etc). Most only children are chinese, which has relatively low rates of naracassim. Ergo, most narcissists have bothers or sisters.

Furthermore, there are two types of naracassim - grandiose and vulnerable. The latter I'd say are well represented on this forum.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We all show signs of all mental illness/disorders.

The difference being is if we can recognise it in ourselves.

My eldest was dating a narcissist for two years. It killed me to watch but he had full control and I risked loosing her for good if I melded.

He totally destroyed my little girl.

She's been free of him for nearly two years now and her self esteem is still shot to shit. She's afraid to get too close to someone incase it happens again.

He was very convincing and had me fooled for a while but I soon saw the signs.

Really scary thing is that he's now a police officer!!! My only hope is that he'll get what's coming to him.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Narcissistic sociopaths on the forums whatever next.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I was married to a narcissistic sociopath, I wish I’d have been able to spot the warning signs at first. Was too late and he’d done the damage before it was too late for me to get out. I won’t go there again x

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"I was married to a narcissistic sociopath, I wish I’d have been able to spot the warning signs at first. Was too late and he’d done the damage before it was too late for me to get out. I won’t go there again x

No you weren't.

There's no such thing as a sociopath, it's not a recognised condition. Just another internet term people throw around willy nilly to describe people they don't like.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is prevalent in less than 1% of the general population so the number of people on this thread alone, claiming to have been in a relationship with one is highly suspicious.

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

Sorry what did you say? I was too busy looking in the mirror.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No you weren't.

There's no such thing as a sociopath, it's not a recognised condition. Just another internet term people throw around willy nilly to describe people they don't like.

Yeah I'm beginning to get confused about what the heck this word is meant to refer to in people's posts. I'm back to my first post again

But you know what... it appears I may be getting a bit of a reputation for being a bit head strong so I'll do a little fluffy flap of my limp wrists, let out a little giggle, and say "everyone's reality is true to them so that's all groovy with me"

Use whatever words you want peeps

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

Yeah it is, there's always a root cause. Hurt people hurt people - happy healthy, well-adjusted people don't.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

Yeah it is, there's always a root cause. Hurt people hurt people - happy healthy, well-adjusted people don't."

Narcissism is linked to environment, where the parent has been over adoring, neuro biology or genetics.

A narcissist would love to be thought of as hurt and needing care. Excuses them from anything they do or say.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There’s a good article “Psychopathy, Antisocial Personality & Sociopathy: The Basics

A History Review” by Paula M. MacKenzie, PsyD, MSEd, that could help

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hmm my shadow is narcissistic but I'm not

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Use whatever words you want peeps

Medical diagnosis doesn't really work like that. Can you imagine the problems if you turned up to hospital asking for a brain tumour to be removed when all you needed was chlamydia treatment? You say chlamydia, i say brain tumour - what's the difference...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"One of my friends has been involved with a narcisst and to be watching from the outside has been very frustrating.

He is totally toxic but thankfully she is seeing it now. "

Hope she can leave him.

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple over a year ago

South Wales

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry"

"Narcissism is marked by a distinct belief in one’s own exceptionalism. People high in this quality are convinced that they are better than everyone else and deserving of attention and recognition."

Hang around Fab and the forum long enough and you'll see it appears to be quite a common trait. Everyone is the best shag ever, nobody ever disappoints etc.

Whether it's true narcissism on show or merely necessary bullish behaviour that you need to exhibit in the world of swinging, I'm not qualified to say.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

Hang around Fab and the forum long enough and you'll see it appears to be quite a common trait. Everyone is the best shag ever, nobody ever disappoints etc.

Whether it's true narcissism on show or merely necessary bullish behaviour that you need to exhibit in the world of swinging, I'm not qualified to say."

Oh well. If that's the definition put me down as a total narcissist. But then most of you probably knew that already

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

Hang around Fab and the forum long enough and you'll see it appears to be quite a common trait. Everyone is the best shag ever, nobody ever disappoints etc.

Whether it's true narcissism on show or merely necessary bullish behaviour that you need to exhibit in the world of swinging, I'm not qualified to say.

Oh well. If that's the definition put me down as a total narcissist. But then most of you probably knew that already

I'm sure you wouldn't believe it or care

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

Hang around Fab and the forum long enough and you'll see it appears to be quite a common trait. Everyone is the best shag ever, nobody ever disappoints etc.

Whether it's true narcissism on show or merely necessary bullish behaviour that you need to exhibit in the world of swinging, I'm not qualified to say.

Oh well. If that's the definition put me down as a total narcissist. But then most of you probably knew that already

I'm sure you wouldn't believe it or care"

And with that Elpis does the wonderful twist she's been waiting for of portraying me as a psychopath

Make your mind up people. What the heck are you referring to by "narcissist"? Someone with a healthy belief in themselves? Or someone with a mental condition?

Personally, I find the antidote to belief in one's specialness (i.e that one is just an inconsequent variant on a depressingly predictable norm) to be the more traumatic and unrealistic delusion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

Hang around Fab and the forum long enough and you'll see it appears to be quite a common trait. Everyone is the best shag ever, nobody ever disappoints etc.

Whether it's true narcissism on show or merely necessary bullish behaviour that you need to exhibit in the world of swinging, I'm not qualified to say.

Oh well. If that's the definition put me down as a total narcissist. But then most of you probably knew that already

I'm sure you wouldn't believe it or care

And with that Elpis does the wonderful twist she's been waiting for of portraying me as a psychopath

Make your mind up people. What the heck are you referring to by "narcissist"? Someone with a healthy belief in themselves? Or someone with a mental condition?

Personally, I find the antidote to belief in one's specialness (i.e that one is just an inconsequent variant on a depressingly predictable norm) to be the more traumatic and unrealistic delusion "

Your post does smack a little of pomposity though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

Hang around Fab and the forum long enough and you'll see it appears to be quite a common trait. Everyone is the best shag ever, nobody ever disappoints etc.

Whether it's true narcissism on show or merely necessary bullish behaviour that you need to exhibit in the world of swinging, I'm not qualified to say.

Oh well. If that's the definition put me down as a total narcissist. But then most of you probably knew that already

I'm sure you wouldn't believe it or care

And with that Elpis does the wonderful twist she's been waiting for of portraying me as a psychopath

Make your mind up people. What the heck are you referring to by "narcissist"? Someone with a healthy belief in themselves? Or someone with a mental condition?

Personally, I find the antidote to belief in one's specialness (i.e that one is just an inconsequent variant on a depressingly predictable norm) to be the more traumatic and unrealistic delusion

Your post does smack a little of pomposity though.

Pompous I can work with

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

Evil is rather a strong description of anyone. There are truly evil people in the world but are those who have an inflated sense of their own importance and consider that others are there to serve that individuals view of themselves really evil or just deluded and unable to see beyond their own invention?

And doesn't everyone deserve sympathy and understanding? Even those so self centred that they fail to realise such a view of the world is part of their weakness. Perhaps if we see all others through more sympathic and understanding eyes then we temper our actions accordingly making allowance for the failings in others in the same way we may wish others to make similar allowance for our own failings.

We are all human. We all have our weaknesses we all have our own issues and difficulties in our lives.

Shouldn't we therefore change what we can of ourselves, hope others do the same, and accept that there will always be some unable or unwilling to change?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Lets not forget the sociopath and psychopath! They have narcissistic traits plus more! They are the ultimate evil..

For information these fall into the cluster b personality disorders. Narcassistic personality disorder. Anti social personality disorder. Borderline personality disorder. Histronic personality disorder.

They do not think like us and cause chaos to those around them whether its intentional or not.

Ps i am facing my sociopathic ex at trial next month as crown court!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm writing this from the beach at the end of my road. Does that make me both pompous and exceptional?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I’m not sure i’ve encountered one. Either that or I am one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

We are all human. We all have our weaknesses we all have our own issues and difficulties in our lives.

Shouldn't we therefore change what we can of ourselves, hope others do the same, and accept that there will always be some unable or unwilling to change? "

Those with narcassism cannot change. Ever! They have no empathy or care or understanding for anyone but themselves. Do not fall into their trap! They trap victims with emapthy by being a master at playing the victim! Do not fall for it! They do not view others as humans, just as a source of supply for what they need regardless of who they destroy doing so!

They do intend to hurt and destroy you to get what they want and dont be fooled into thinking they arent aware of what they are doing!

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By *oyce69Man over a year ago

Driffield

"One of my friends has been involved with a narcisst and to be watching from the outside has been very frustrating.

He is totally toxic but thankfully she is seeing it now.

Hope she can leave him. "

My granddaughter got involved with a narcissist and I knew it the first time I met him, but how do you tell someone that the man they love is not good for them. She found out the hard way and is now bringing up their son on her own.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

A true narsastic person is only aware of their world and does not even consider another's world as such they are not evil just totally selfish. However a manipulator controller is dangerous and highly good at getting others to supply their needs whilst abusing that person they are in a relationship with.

Big difference.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

Hang around Fab and the forum long enough and you'll see it appears to be quite a common trait. Everyone is the best shag ever, nobody ever disappoints etc.

Whether it's true narcissism on show or merely necessary bullish behaviour that you need to exhibit in the world of swinging, I'm not qualified to say."

There is more to narcassism than that. They are charming, manipulative, pathological liars, play the victim etc..

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By *0tt0nSu3Woman over a year ago

London

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

We are all human. We all have our weaknesses we all have our own issues and difficulties in our lives.

Shouldn't we therefore change what we can of ourselves, hope others do the same, and accept that there will always be some unable or unwilling to change? "

I used to think the same way as you do until I met a narcissist. Trust me, you will drop any sense of humanness towards that person. Ditch any sense of sympathy. You will have to be ruthless to survive.

You obviously have not met a full blown narcissist. I don't know if I should say you are lucky or naive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

Big difference. "

There are 3 types of abuser in a relationship.

Those who believe woman are nothing and should serve a man.

Thise with narassistic personality disorder

Those with anti social personality disorder.

They are the true abusers and very likely to use violence

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

We are all human. We all have our weaknesses we all have our own issues and difficulties in our lives.

Shouldn't we therefore change what we can of ourselves, hope others do the same, and accept that there will always be some unable or unwilling to change?

You obviously have not met a full blown narcissist. I don't know if I should say you are lucky or naive."

Well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

Big difference.

There are 3 types of abuser in a relationship.

Those who believe woman are nothing and should serve a man.

Thise with narassistic personality disorder

Those with anti social personality disorder.

They are the true abusers and very likely to use violence"

Which of those three types is a constantly nagging woman?

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

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Narcissism is linked to environment, where the parent has been over adoring, neuro biology or genetics.

A narcissist would love to be thought of as hurt and needing care. Excuses them from anything they do or say."

Not so, being damaged does not exclude any of us from responsibility for our actions, though a true narc would simply not accept they were damaged in any way!

Being spoilt or having an 'over-adoring' may give rise to narcissistic behaviour, but a full blown NPD is far more likely to be caused by abandonment or rejection or some profound childhood trauma, abuse or neglect IMO. If you read into it further than the mayo clinic article you will find that to be the case.

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

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"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

We are all human. We all have our weaknesses we all have our own issues and difficulties in our lives.

Shouldn't we therefore change what we can of ourselves, hope others do the same, and accept that there will always be some unable or unwilling to change? "

Well said, as ever.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

Hang around Fab and the forum long enough and you'll see it appears to be quite a common trait. Everyone is the best shag ever, nobody ever disappoints etc.

Whether it's true narcissism on show or merely necessary bullish behaviour that you need to exhibit in the world of swinging, I'm not qualified to say.

Oh well. If that's the definition put me down as a total narcissist. But then most of you probably knew that already

I'm sure you wouldn't believe it or care

And with that Elpis does the wonderful twist she's been waiting for of portraying me as a psychopath

Make your mind up people. What the heck are you referring to by "narcissist"? Someone with a healthy belief in themselves? Or someone with a mental condition?

Personally, I find the antidote to belief in one's specialness (i.e that one is just an inconsequent variant on a depressingly predictable norm) to be the more traumatic and unrealistic delusion

Your post does smack a little of pomposity though.

Pompous I can work with

It’s a dealbreaker for me.

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By *iger.10Man over a year ago

Llantrisant

Just realised, reading this, that I must have this condition as I'm an only child

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

We are all human. We all have our weaknesses we all have our own issues and difficulties in our lives.

Shouldn't we therefore change what we can of ourselves, hope others do the same, and accept that there will always be some unable or unwilling to change?

You obviously have not met a full blown narcissist. ."

I have, and I agree with Hine. I have been deeply damaged by them, but I pity them regardless, I would not want to be them for anything. That does not mean I willingly collude with or approve of them in any way shape or form.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Narcissism is linked to environment, where the parent has been over adoring, neuro biology or genetics.

A narcissist would love to be thought of as hurt and needing care. Excuses them from anything they do or say.

Not so, being damaged does not exclude any of us from responsibility for our actions, though a true narc would simply not accept they were damaged in any way!

Again. Nope.

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

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Narcissism is linked to environment, where the parent has been over adoring, neuro biology or genetics.

A narcissist would love to be thought of as hurt and needing care. Excuses them from anything they do or say.

Not so, being damaged does not exclude any of us from responsibility for our actions, though a true narc would simply not accept they were damaged in any way!

Again. Nope. "

Haha, sorry but yup!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

We are all human. We all have our weaknesses we all have our own issues and difficulties in our lives.

Shouldn't we therefore change what we can of ourselves, hope others do the same, and accept that there will always be some unable or unwilling to change?

They do intend to hurt and destroy you to get what they want and dont be fooled into thinking they arent aware of what they are doing!"

That sounds rather more like a psychopath the way you describe it.

It also sounds like you are angry and hurting?

I like to hope we can all change no matter who we may be. Otherwise isn't life just groundhog day?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The trouble with these mixed definitions is that a mere narcissist can definitely be cured of their condition. Heck even a small bit of education or spirituality may help to humble them.

Meanwhile, someone with narcissistic personality disorder (and a psychopath) they're utterly incurable because they singularly lack the ability to see what's wrong with them. The very best you can hope for from them is that they can successfully fake being "normal" for long enough to con you into thinking they're not one.

This is why this thread is so confusing

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By *0tt0nSu3Woman over a year ago

London

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

We are all human. We all have our weaknesses we all have our own issues and difficulties in our lives.

Shouldn't we therefore change what we can of ourselves, hope others do the same, and accept that there will always be some unable or unwilling to change?

You obviously have not met a full blown narcissist. .

I respect your views but beg to differ.

I would never never ever pity someone who brought pain on me in that way. I will always pity the people that he does encounter in the future.

Maybe the reason we have the difference is because the narcissist I encountered did not value women. I KNOW he would never treat a man the way he treated women and I will never forgive him for his narcissism and his sexism.

Never.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

Hang around Fab and the forum long enough and you'll see it appears to be quite a common trait. Everyone is the best shag ever, nobody ever disappoints etc.

Whether it's true narcissism on show or merely necessary bullish behaviour that you need to exhibit in the world of swinging, I'm not qualified to say.

Oh well. If that's the definition put me down as a total narcissist. But then most of you probably knew that already

I'm sure you wouldn't believe it or care

And with that Elpis does the wonderful twist she's been waiting for of portraying me as a psychopath

Make your mind up people. What the heck are you referring to by "narcissist"? Someone with a healthy belief in themselves? Or someone with a mental condition?

Personally, I find the antidote to belief in one's specialness (i.e that one is just an inconsequent variant on a depressingly predictable norm) to be the more traumatic and unrealistic delusion

Your post does smack a little of pomposity though.

Pompous I can work with

It’s a dealbreaker for me.

I'll let you belittle me in a private room if that's your thing

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"The trouble with these mixed definitions is that a mere narcissist can definitely be cured of their condition. Heck even a small bit of education or spirituality may help to humble them.

This is why this thread is so confusing "

Because 98% of the people indirectly mentioned on this thread are not narcasstics at all, they a just cunty ex's, to use the technical term.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It would be useful to not forget the full Cluster B” personality disorders when interchanging the term psychopathy, sociopathy and narcissism too, and not just equate everything to narcissistic personality disorder.

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

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"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

We are all human. We all have our weaknesses we all have our own issues and difficulties in our lives.

Shouldn't we therefore change what we can of ourselves, hope others do the same, and accept that there will always be some unable or unwilling to change?

You obviously have not met a full blown narcissist. .

I respect your views but beg to differ.

I would never never ever pity someone who brought pain on me in that way. I will always pity the people that he does encounter in the future.

Never."

I read a Facebook meme once which said 'Unforgiveness is like taking poison and expecting someone else to die.'

There is something in the decision to be that way which is self-harming.

I only pity them in that I understand they are irredeemably damaged. I can still despise and abhor the outworking of that, or be revulsed by what they are.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is So much anger pain and hurt in this thread from OP to many who have posted.

Those who feel they have suffered at the hands of others and allow that hurt anger resentment rage and pain to continue after the cause of their hurt is gone.

It may not ever be easy or achievable. None of us can change the past. We all carry our own scars with us.

But to continue to grasping that hurt. How will we ever move on heal learn to trust and believe in others again.

It will never be easy but if we don't put the past behind us in whatever way we can then we will never see the future that could be.

I hope those so hurt find their peace

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By *0tt0nSu3Woman over a year ago

London

"There is So much anger pain and hurt in this thread from OP to many who have posted.

Those who feel they have suffered at the hands of others and allow that hurt anger resentment rage and pain to continue after the cause of their hurt is gone.

It may not ever be easy or achievable. None of us can change the past. We all carry our own scars with us.

But to continue to grasping that hurt. How will we ever move on heal learn to trust and believe in others again.

It will never be easy but if we don't put the past behind us in whatever way we can then we will never see the future that could be.

I hope those so hurt find their peace "

Sigh...

I am not allowing the hurt, pain, anger, resentment blah blah blah to follow me.

I have survived. That is it. I have survived. And now I know the signs to spot a narc a mile off. I know when to walk away. I will always use my past experiences to spot it, be it hurt, pain, anger, resentment blah blah blah... I will use all the tools to my hand to protect myself. It doesn't mean that all these things are shrouded in me to make me bitter. They are my tools in life. That includes the unwillingness to forgive the narc.

Again, I say I don't know if I should say that you are lucky or naive.

I hope to God you will never encounter a narc. If you do, I hope you have the strength to deal with the experience. It's not a walk in the park.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"There is So much anger pain and hurt in this thread from OP to many who have posted.

Those who feel they have suffered at the hands of others and allow that hurt anger resentment rage and pain to continue after the cause of their hurt is gone.

It may not ever be easy or achievable. None of us can change the past. We all carry our own scars with us.

But to continue to grasping that hurt. How will we ever move on heal learn to trust and believe in others again.

It will never be easy but if we don't put the past behind us in whatever way we can then we will never see the future that could be.

I hope those so hurt find their peace "

That's like burning yourself on a hot hob but trying to put your hands on it again.

All anyone is saying is they've experienced a narcissist and recognise how horrible they are.

Forgiveness is naive.

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By *0tt0nSu3Woman over a year ago

London

"There is So much anger pain and hurt in this thread from OP to many who have posted.

Those who feel they have suffered at the hands of others and allow that hurt anger resentment rage and pain to continue after the cause of their hurt is gone.

It may not ever be easy or achievable. None of us can change the past. We all carry our own scars with us.

But to continue to grasping that hurt. How will we ever move on heal learn to trust and believe in others again.

It will never be easy but if we don't put the past behind us in whatever way we can then we will never see the future that could be.

I hope those so hurt find their peace

That's like burning yourself on a hot hob but trying to put your hands on it again.

All anyone is saying is they've experienced a narcissist and recognise how horrible they are.

Forgiveness is naive."

Thank you.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

Hang around Fab and the forum long enough and you'll see it appears to be quite a common trait. Everyone is the best shag ever, nobody ever disappoints etc.

Whether it's true narcissism on show or merely necessary bullish behaviour that you need to exhibit in the world of swinging, I'm not qualified to say.

Oh well. If that's the definition put me down as a total narcissist. But then most of you probably knew that already

I'm sure you wouldn't believe it or care

And with that Elpis does the wonderful twist she's been waiting for of portraying me as a psychopath

Make your mind up people. What the heck are you referring to by "narcissist"? Someone with a healthy belief in themselves? Or someone with a mental condition?

Personally, I find the antidote to belief in one's specialness (i.e that one is just an inconsequent variant on a depressingly predictable norm) to be the more traumatic and unrealistic delusion "

Hard at it seems it'll be for you to believe. It's not all about you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lets not forget the sociopath and psychopath! They have narcissistic traits plus more! They are the ultimate evil..

They do not think like us and cause chaos to those around them whether its intentional or not.

Ps i am facing my sociopathic ex at trial next month as crown court!"

Good luck, mine got away with it due to lack of evidence. The police know what he has done but can’t prove it x

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

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"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there"

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

Yeah it is, there's always a root cause. Hurt people hurt people - happy healthy, well-adjusted people don't."

My experience of it. Over grandiose thoughts to hide their own crushing insecurites. .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I guess everyone has a degree of narcissism, but most have it in control or perspective.

We are all human. We all have our weaknesses we all have our own issues and difficulties in our lives.

Shouldn't we therefore change what we can of ourselves, hope others do the same, and accept that there will always be some unable or unwilling to change?

They do intend to hurt and destroy you to get what they want and dont be fooled into thinking they arent aware of what they are doing!

That sounds rather more like a psychopath the way you describe it.

It also sounds like you are angry and hurting?

I like to hope we can all change no matter who we may be. Otherwise isn't life just groundhog day?

Sadly this is why victims get trapped, cos they believe they can change them.. and the narc, socikpath and psychopath are all simular

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Lets not forget the sociopath and psychopath! They have narcissistic traits plus more! They are the ultimate evil..

They do not think like us and cause chaos to those around them whether its intentional or not.

Ps i am facing my sociopathic ex at trial next month as crown court!

Good luck, mine got away with it due to lack of evidence. The police know what he has done but can’t prove it x "

Thank you.. thankfully i have loads of evidence and he has been charged with the new law of coercive control.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is So much anger pain and hurt in this thread from OP to many who have posted.

Those who feel they have suffered at the hands of others and allow that hurt anger resentment rage and pain to continue after the cause of their hurt is gone.

It may not ever be easy or achievable. None of us can change the past. We all carry our own scars with us.

But to continue to grasping that hurt. How will we ever move on heal learn to trust and believe in others again.

It will never be easy but if we don't put the past behind us in whatever way we can then we will never see the future that could be.

I hope those so hurt find their peace "

Actually i am almost 2 years free and may sound angry and hurt. But i dont actually hate him. I still find my head fights my heart. My head knows everything uve learned about an abuser is true.. but my heart still wants to think he wasnt like that, just now the hearts voice is getting weaker and the head reminds me the actions i thoight made him a good person were actually just the tactics they use

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think im too dumb to understand what it is sorry

Hang around Fab and the forum long enough and you'll see it appears to be quite a common trait. Everyone is the best shag ever, nobody ever disappoints etc.

Whether it's true narcissism on show or merely necessary bullish behaviour that you need to exhibit in the world of swinging, I'm not qualified to say.

Oh well. If that's the definition put me down as a total narcissist. But then most of you probably knew that already

I'm sure you wouldn't believe it or care

And with that Elpis does the wonderful twist she's been waiting for of portraying me as a psychopath

Make your mind up people. What the heck are you referring to by "narcissist"? Someone with a healthy belief in themselves? Or someone with a mental condition?

Personally, I find the antidote to belief in one's specialness (i.e that one is just an inconsequent variant on a depressingly predictable norm) to be the more traumatic and unrealistic delusion

Hard at it seems it'll be for you to believe. It's not all about you. "

Ooo I just love the way you flirt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The trouble with these mixed definitions is that a mere narcissist can definitely be cured of their condition. Heck even a small bit of education or spirituality may help to humble them.

This is why this thread is so confusing

Because 98% of the people indirectly mentioned on this thread are not narcasstics at all, they a just cunty ex's, to use the technical term. "

Actually a narcassist will recognise they are one, they just don't see anything bad with it

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

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By *iss.HoneyWoman over a year ago

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I know a guy

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

Yeah it is, there's always a root cause. Hurt people hurt people - happy healthy, well-adjusted people don't.

My experience of it. Over grandiose thoughts to hide their own crushing insecurites. ."

Yup. I found this passage rather interesting:

Homey (1939) made a signal contribution to the knowledge of narcissism by describing a basis for distinguishing healthy self-esteem from pathological narcissism. She suggested that the term narcissism be confined to unrealistic self-inflation: "the person loves and admires himself for values for which there is no ade-quate foundation . . . he expects love and admiration from others for qualities that he does not possess, or does not possess to as large an extent as he supposes. . . . it is not narcissistic for a person to value a quality in himself which he actually possesses or to like to be valued by others" (pp. 89-90). She believed that pathological self-inflation is always a consequence of disturbed early child-hood, particularly the child's alienation from others because of fears and grievances. "His notions of himself become a substitute for his undermined self-esteem" (p. 93). Narcissistic self-inflation represents a desperate attempt to maintain self-esteem and to ob-tain admiration when love is perceived as unavailable. In an excel-lent dinical description of the significance of narcissistic pathology, Homey suggested three consequences of narcissistic grandiosity: 1) loss of work capacity because work is not satisfying for its own sake, 2) feelings that gratification is due one without ef-fort, and 3) constant grievances and hostility in relationships. Narcissistic pathology creates a self-destructive vicious circle in which self-inflation leads to humiliation, which leads to evermore fantastic self-inflation. According to Homey, "self-esteem and self-inflation are mutually exclusive" (pp. 92-93). She also empha-sized that narcissistic egocentricity impairs the capacity to be in-terested in or to love others

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Narcissism is linked to environment, where the parent has been over adoring, neuro biology or genetics.

A narcissist would love to be thought of as hurt and needing care. Excuses them from anything they do or say.

Not so, being damaged does not exclude any of us from responsibility for our actions, though a true narc would simply not accept they were damaged in any way!

Yes a personality disorder is shown to be somewhat genetic but also from the environment they grow up in.. such as emotional abuse and neglect.

Which is why i struggle to hate my ex as i saw the nasty way his parents were towards him, so i actually hate his parents, even tho they maybe the way they are cause of their upbringings.

Thing is as the domestic violence helpline said to me when i was trying to escape.. is that many people have addictions and bad upbringings but dont treat others abusively. So it must be too many bad traits in their personality to affect them to a npd.. and others dont as they have good traits

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

Yeah it is, there's always a root cause. Hurt people hurt people - happy healthy, well-adjusted people don't.

My experience of it. Over grandiose thoughts to hide their own crushing insecurites. .

Yup. I found this passage rather interesting:

As i said.. many experience low self esteem as a result of a bad childhood. So those who become narcassistic most have bad personality traits in the first place as to use narc as a form of survival to the abusive childhood. So therefore they wouldn't of been particular nice anyway as they were born with bad traits?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers"

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens. "

You say it like it's a bad thing.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing. "

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems..."

That's not the point you were making.

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

Yeah it is, there's always a root cause. Hurt people hurt people - happy healthy, well-adjusted people don't.

My experience of it. Over grandiose thoughts to hide their own crushing insecurites. .

Yup. I found this passage rather interesting:

I don't necessarily think so - the trouble with deep psychological damage is its very hard to see what someone would or could have been without it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A person with narcissistic personality disorder will not necessarily have had difficult childhood experiences. The cause lies with the biological make up and connections within the brain. That's not to say that childhood experiences are not a factor in many cases but it's safe to say that they are not the main cause.

Narcissistic personality disorder is very different to narcissistic tendencies, we all have those Tina degree.

It's a very difficult disorder to treat as most people suffering from it cannot acknowledge their shortcomings (for want of a better term).

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens. "

And you think that remark is helpful how exactly?

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making."

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making. "

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

And you think that remark is helpful how exactly?

Well there are two possibilities so far.

One is that people have shit luck and there's not much they can really do about that.

The other is that they aren't really meeting that many instances of these people that make up 0.5% of the population and are actually just high in neutoticism. That's a problem they could actually solve and get a better career and health benefits from.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer "

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open. "

Nope. People, like you seemed to be doing, have blamed the victim many times. It's only more recently they've been called out on it. And they don't like it. It's usually men blaming women for a man's crime.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

Yeah it is, there's always a root cause. Hurt people hurt people - happy healthy, well-adjusted people don't.

My experience of it. Over grandiose thoughts to hide their own crushing insecurites. .

Yup. I found this passage rather interesting:

I don't necessarily think so - the trouble with deep psychological damage is its very hard to see what someone would or could have been without it.

Then why doesnt everyone become narc as a result? There must be a common trait fir those that do

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

Victim blaming is judging through ignorance. Seems there are many here who have been through abuse and done courses to help them understand. I had a totally different view about domestic abuse until i experienced it!

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

As i say, bullshit term that doesn't mean anything and only exists to stifle debate about solutions.

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

Yeah it is, there's always a root cause. Hurt people hurt people - happy healthy, well-adjusted people don't.

My experience of it. Over grandiose thoughts to hide their own crushing insecurites. .

Yup. I found this passage rather interesting:

I don't necessarily think so - the trouble with deep psychological damage is its very hard to see what someone would or could have been without it.

Then why doesnt everyone become narc as a result? There must be a common trait fir those that do"

Sure, but they could for instance be the most sensitive to the pain, so the most needing to invert it? Who knows....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

How was your view different?

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Well there are two possibilities so far.

One is that people have shit luck and there's not much they can really do about that.

The other is that they aren't really meeting that many instances of these people that make up 0.5% of the population and are actually just high in neutoticism. "

That's pretty unimaginative of you then.

Perhaps they are talking about people high in narcissistic behaviours, but who fall short of the diagnostic criteria for NPD. I understood that was more like 8%.....

Perhaps your figures are incorrect and narcissism is on the increase....

Perhaps a high percentage of the victims of narcissists end up on swinging sites....

Perhaps only the legitimate percentage have spoken up, after all, no-one is counting the silent ones....

There are hundreds of possible variables I am sure, maybe you just need to think about it in a little more depth?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

As i say, bullshit term that doesn't mean anything and only exists to stifle debate about solutions. "

Not at all. It shows that, normally men, backed by some women, can't take responsibility for their crimes, having to find a way of making women responsible for the heinous things that men do to them. This shows clearly the solution, as you're so keen on finding. Make men responsible.

But that's beside the point of you seeming to victim blame in your earlier post that you've avoided clarifying.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

As i say, bullshit term that doesn't mean anything and only exists to stifle debate about solutions.

But that's beside the point of you seeming to victim blame in your earlier post that you've avoided clarifying."

Isnt this the point.. a narc will never take reaponsibility for their actions. Ever.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

Yeah it is, there's always a root cause. Hurt people hurt people - happy healthy, well-adjusted people don't.

My experience of it. Over grandiose thoughts to hide their own crushing insecurites. .

Yup. I found this passage rather interesting:

I don't necessarily think so - the trouble with deep psychological damage is its very hard to see what someone would or could have been without it.

Then why doesnt everyone become narc as a result? There must be a common trait fir those that do

Sure, but they could for instance be the most sensitive to the pain, so the most needing to invert it? Who knows...."

The point is, there is no possibility of a narcissist recognising their behaviour and changing. They are not worth any kindness.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

Is this supposed to be ironic?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

As i say, bullshit term that doesn't mean anything and only exists to stifle debate about solutions.

But that's beside the point of you seeming to victim blame in your earlier post that you've avoided clarifying.

Isnt this the point.. a narc will never take reaponsibility for their actions. Ever. "

Let's give broken brilliance a chance

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Well there are two possibilities so far.

One is that people have shit luck and there's not much they can really do about that.

The other is that they aren't really meeting that many instances of these people that make up 0.5% of the population and are actually just high in neutoticism.

That's pretty unimaginative of you then.

Perhaps they are talking about people high in narcissistic behaviours, but who fall short of the diagnostic criteria for NPD. I understood that was more like 8%.....

Perhaps your figures are incorrect and narcissism is on the increase....

Perhaps a high percentage of the victims of narcissists end up on swinging sites....

Perhaps only the legitimate percentage have spoken up, after all, no-one is counting the silent ones....

There are hundreds of possible variables I am sure, maybe you just need to think about it in a little more depth?

Yup all valid possibilities and worth discussing. Thank you for presenting logic rather than flinging slogans like "victim blaming". Indeed there's overwhelming evidence that narcissism is genuinely on the rise, not just being reported more - which is very worrying.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

How was your view different? "

Cos i used to believe i could never get trapped. That i would leave. Staying was cos the woman was weak. But seriously.. abuse can happen to anyone! They prey on your weaknesses.. its a full on psychological attack that the only way to protect yourself from is to understand them and their tactics.. then you cant get sucked in. Its human nature that we can be brain washed, can be manipulated.. thats what they prey on.. thats how they trap victims.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

As i say, bullshit term that doesn't mean anything and only exists to stifle debate about solutions.

But that's beside the point of you seeming to victim blame in your earlier post that you've avoided clarifying."

Because if you think a normal man needs to clarify that he doesn't agree with abusing women, then that says more about you than me.

But since you seem to have a warped reality / perception of men, i will clarify that abuse of women is never justified. Nor is killing jews, slavery or genocide in case you were also confused about my stance on those.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

How was your view different?

Hope you're ok now. xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

Yeah it is, there's always a root cause. Hurt people hurt people - happy healthy, well-adjusted people don't.

My experience of it. Over grandiose thoughts to hide their own crushing insecurites. .

Yup. I found this passage rather interesting:

I don't necessarily think so - the trouble with deep psychological damage is its very hard to see what someone would or could have been without it.

Then why doesnt everyone become narc as a result? There must be a common trait fir those that do

Sure, but they could for instance be the most sensitive to the pain, so the most needing to invert it? Who knows....

The point is, there is no possibility of a narcissist recognising their behaviour and changing. They are not worth any kindness."

We all face challenges in life to some degree.. if a person is sensitive enough to become a narc, then that surely is the bad trait? Without the abuse and change then being over sensitive is going to harm others anyway

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

How was your view different?

Hope you're ok now. xx"

Getting there thank you. Just want the trial over with which is next month :/

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

As i say, bullshit term that doesn't mean anything and only exists to stifle debate about solutions.

But that's beside the point of you seeming to victim blame in your earlier post that you've avoided clarifying.

Because if you think a normal man needs to clarify that he doesn't agree with abusing women, then that says more about you than me.

This is all getting confusing. My ex swore he would never harm a female it was wrong blah blah.. that was during the love bombing phase.. then when the mask slipped the violence started and i found out he had done it to his mum, his ex and a female friend

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

As i say, bullshit term that doesn't mean anything and only exists to stifle debate about solutions.

But that's beside the point of you seeming to victim blame in your earlier post that you've avoided clarifying.

Because if you think a normal man needs to clarify that he doesn't agree with abusing women, then that says more about you than me.

You want me to clarify that he's a piece of shit?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

As i say, bullshit term that doesn't mean anything and only exists to stifle debate about solutions.

But that's beside the point of you seeming to victim blame in your earlier post that you've avoided clarifying.

Because if you think a normal man needs to clarify that he doesn't agree with abusing women, then that says more about you than me.

You made it clear who you were blaming. And now you're trying to deflect. I'm not surprised to be honest. Have a nice evening

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"NPD is about as common as testicular cancer. So ladies, if you have 4 ex's that are narcissists and none who had testicular cancer then you are the common denominator ...

#just putting that out there

Ah yes, but it's 8x more common in men I understand, and female empath's attract them like flies to dead meat....just sayin'!

Grandiose naracassim is more common in men. Vunerable naracassim is more common in women. Both could explain our phenomenon

It does effect males more. Also they seek out empaths as victims and woman and generally more empathic as we are the child bearers

Indeed women are more compassionate than men, on average. They are also significantly higher on neuroticism which means they don't half dwell on it when shit happens.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

Well it really is for them! People higher in neuroticism earn less and have significantly more health problems...

That's not the point you were making.

Thanks for telling me my own mind but i know what point i was making.

If it was different to victim blaming, you need to be much, much clearer

Victim blaming is a stupid term people made up to avoid giving any practical advice. I don't think people deserve to get their house robbed if they leave a window open.

As i say, bullshit term that doesn't mean anything and only exists to stifle debate about solutions.

But that's beside the point of you seeming to victim blame in your earlier post that you've avoided clarifying.

Because if you think a normal man needs to clarify that he doesn't agree with abusing women, then that says more about you than me.

You want me to clarify that he's a piece of shit? "

See i dont understand why you have just said that. Of course i know now he is a piece of shit.. but before the mask slipped there was no sign to me of the dangers ahead as he was charming and manipulating me and i didnt know about this as i was ignorant to how a use works. Now i know and understabd then a guy who charms me i will be very weary of. Altho there are many more red flags to look out for.. but unless you know the red flags you will fall into their trap

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Interestingly there was a study on naracassim at CEO of level of big companies and they found exactly what you described. Initially the narcissists tend to be very popular, for the reasons you stated. The way to tell them apart (e.g. from the people that are just self assured) is that they can never sustain their popularity for ~3 years. Of course that only works in retrospect!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ues alot of narcs have very high powered jobs as they are all about power aNd control. Yet none can sustain a long lasting relationship as they only befriend people as they need a use for them. Once they are of no use to them anymore they drop them! Or the person works them out and they back away and the smear campaign starts cos it couldnt possibly have been the narcs fault!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Oh and the other thing is they are pathological liars.. so when you first meet them they will give you the inpression they are someone they arent. They are very unbelievable to start with, they lie with ease

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Yup, that's real naracassim right there

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yup, that's real naracassim right there"

No one has said any different to that being what narc is. But not all narc are successful. There is many many more traits that are common in npd they use to gain power and control over anyone or anything, even if theyre a homeless addict.

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By *risky_MareWoman over a year ago

...Up on the Downs

Damaged is not what makes them a narcissist.

Yeah it is, there's always a root cause. Hurt people hurt people - happy healthy, well-adjusted people don't.

My experience of it. Over grandiose thoughts to hide their own crushing insecurites. .

Yup. I found this passage rather interesting:

I don't necessarily think so - the trouble with deep psychological damage is its very hard to see what someone would or could have been without it.

Then why doesnt everyone become narc as a result? There must be a common trait fir those that do

Sure, but they could for instance be the most sensitive to the pain, so the most needing to invert it? Who knows....

The point is, there is no possibility of a narcissist recognising their behaviour and changing. They are not worth any kindness."

Hmmm, I'm not sure blaming or judging others as worthless is really helpful in nurturing our own soul, or securing our own healing. Probably best we just agree to disagree.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

Yup, that's real naracassim right there

I think a lot of people threw the term around loosely, but i certainly think you know what you are talking about.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So... was this thread narcissistic?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It would be useful to not forget the full Cluster B” personality disorders when interchanging the term psychopathy, sociopathy and narcissism too, and not just equate everything to narcissistic personality disorder.

Are you of a cpn level to comment on this?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you of a cpn level to comment on this? "

I’ve worked within the field, yes. You know this, we’ve spoken about it before.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

"So... was this thread narcissistic?

I wasn't sure if it was ironic.

A "look at me" thread about narcissism.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you of a cpn level to comment on this?

I’ve worked within the field, yes. You know this, we’ve spoken about it before. "

This is why I ask as from a few pms

...on a serious matter in your view I find it somewhat distasteful to read on what is a personal issue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you of a cpn level to comment on this?

I’ve worked within the field, yes. You know this, we’ve spoken about it before.

This is why I ask as from a few pms

...on a serious matter in your view I find it somewhat distasteful to read on what is a personal issue."

I’m sorry, I don’t understand. Have you perhaps misunderstood my post? What did you think I’ve said, that you find distasteful?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Are you of a cpn level to comment on this?

I’ve worked within the field, yes. You know this, we’ve spoken about it before.

This is why I ask as from a few pms

...on a serious matter in your view I find it somewhat distasteful to read on what is a personal issue.

I’m sorry, I don’t understand. Have you perhaps misunderstood my post? What did you think I’ve said, that you find distasteful? "

Antisocial personality disorder is more commonly interchanged with where a sub group of psychopathic or sociopathic traits might fall, not narcissistic - as per my first post on the thread and reference to article.

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By *imiUKMan over a year ago

Hereford

In before 175 - 7/10. Good effort although far from a perfect troll..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I will go off thread to explain as it is a open thread that I'm not comfortable posting on

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