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Can they be sued?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Single guys are required to pay more at clubs for entry compared to couples and single girls.. can this be potentially illegal as they use the same facilities? Where are all the swinger barristers or shall I call my friend who is a trainee lawyer

I’m starting a petition too

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

it’s been that way for decades

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"it’s been that way for decades "

Doesn’t mean it’s correct

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By *ighlander80884Man  over a year ago

Inverness

Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford

Oooòoo, this again.

The ennui...

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go"

I think you are missing the point..

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By *R8 titsWoman  over a year ago

ilford

Probably!!

Then they close....

Then your F#@ked....

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Probably!!

Then they close....

Then your F#@ked.... "

No, then they start charging same rate to everyone

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By *urve BallWoman  over a year ago

North London

It is this way in order to entice more women to attend. If it was the same price for everyone, it'd be a sausage fest. Maybe good for gay/bi events but I very much doubt that you or any other guy would go or want to go again to a party where there's 90 men and 10 women.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"It is this way in order to entice more women to attend. If it was the same price for everyone, it'd be a sausage fest. Maybe good for gay/bi events but I very much doubt that you or any other guy would go or want to go again to a party where there's 90 men and 10 women."

Ermmm you can limit the numbers.. but charge same rate.. would women won’t attend if they had to pay the same rate?

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By *obbi_sutherlandTV/TS  over a year ago

Dornoch

There are multiple placed which charge different admission fees although all are using the same facilities.

Look at your local cinema, there are a variety of prices all for watching the same film. Your local museum for seeing the same exhibits. Your local swimming pool for using the same water. Your football team for watching the same goals.

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

I think you are missing the point.. "

this question normally comes up every couple of months....

the answer is no!!! because there are exemptions in the SDA that allow for pricing to encourage under-represented groups of people......

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Signing on ur petition

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By *heDesiCandiTV/TS  over a year ago

Hyderabad India

Never been to a club and unlikely to ever do and I am not a lawyer

But - private club or not.. it has to operate within the guidelines set by law - and discriminated prices against gender is probably an area that needs looking at

Not to sue but to advice clubs to revise their membership rules and pricing

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By *gnitemybodyWoman  over a year ago

Onestepoutofthedoor

Yeah it's not fair,they should just charge couples more (not single women mind) then just regulate how many single men they let in.

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By *icentiousCouple  over a year ago

Up on them there hills

Off the top of my head, and believe me I never learn anything by being right, think you need a 100,000 signings to take it to parliament.

Cruised on, if you get to 99.999 i’ll give you my vote.

Have a good one.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

I think you are missing the point..

this question normally comes up every couple of months....

the answer is no!!! because there are exemptions in the SDA that allow for pricing to encourage under-represented groups of people......"

Women/couples are under-represented group of people? Seriously?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It is this way in order to entice more women to attend. If it was the same price for everyone, it'd be a sausage fest. Maybe good for gay/bi events but I very much doubt that you or any other guy would go or want to go again to a party where there's 90 men and 10 women.

Ermmm you can limit the numbers.. but charge same rate.. would women won’t attend if they had to pay the same rate? "

Your barrister friend might also have something to say about limiting numbers based on gender and what are you going to do about transgenders in various stages of metamorphosis

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It is this way in order to entice more women to attend. If it was the same price for everyone, it'd be a sausage fest. Maybe good for gay/bi events but I very much doubt that you or any other guy would go or want to go again to a party where there's 90 men and 10 women.

Ermmm you can limit the numbers.. but charge same rate.. would women won’t attend if they had to pay the same rate? "

I wouldn't pay the price men do.

I have paid as a single and as part of a couple though.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Single guys are required to pay more at clubs for entry compared to couples and single girls.. can this be potentially illegal as they use the same facilities? Where are all the swinger barristers or shall I call my friend who is a trainee lawyer

I’m starting a petition too "

I do see ur point op in the world of equal this and that we live in now

But doest effect me iv never been

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Never been to a club and unlikely to ever do and I am not a lawyer

But - private club or not.. it has to operate within the guidelines set by law - and discriminated prices against gender is probably an area that needs looking at

Not to sue but to advice clubs to revise their membership rules and pricing "

I’ll start writing them emails first thing tomorrow morning

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"it’s been that way for decades

Doesn’t mean it’s correct "

I believe it is to keep the number of desperados down.

I personally dont mind the extra cost. As i only ever went as a couple

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It is this way in order to entice more women to attend. If it was the same price for everyone, it'd be a sausage fest. Maybe good for gay/bi events but I very much doubt that you or any other guy would go or want to go again to a party where there's 90 men and 10 women."

I’d go to that party

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Single guys are required to pay more at clubs for entry compared to couples and single girls.. can this be potentially illegal as they use the same facilities? Where are all the swinger barristers or shall I call my friend who is a trainee lawyer

I’m starting a petition too

I do see ur point op in the world of equal this and that we live in now

But doest effect me iv never been"

I have never been either but it hurts to see the prices on party profile

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Where are those feminist... Don't they need equal treatment as men here... Why don't you pay same amount as single men

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple  over a year ago

Falkirk

No laws being broken as they are operated as "private" clubs.

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

I think you are missing the point..

this question normally comes up every couple of months....

the answer is no!!! because there are exemptions in the SDA that allow for pricing to encourage under-represented groups of people......

Women/couples are under-represented group of people? Seriously? "

to the amount of men that would go to a club based on the same night at the same potential price... yes!!!

you make the mistake of thinking that single tier pricing would make it cheaper for men to go, where in effect what would more likely happen is the prices would be raised to be the same as men.....

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford

Sex club raffle anyone?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go"

Technically it is actually a breach of The Equality Act 2010. Did someone say they wanted a lawyer....?

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"

I have never been either but it hurts to see the prices on party profile "

so then the issue isn't the fact you can't go, but the fact you can't go as often as you would like........

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It would lead to more couples only clubs which we would like x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If it was illegal someone would have sued by now. Women are free because they are bait. Men pay for the inference of sex being available.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Single guys are cash cows for clubs.

There. I said it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Where are those feminist... Don't they need equal treatment as men here... Why don't you pay same amount as single men "

I have no problem with the clubs reducing the price to £5 per head, as long as they ensure that the proportion of Males/ Couples/ Females remains roughly as it is now.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It would lead to more couples only clubs which we would like x"

To be fair, it would most probably lead to fewer clubs because "single" men make the swinging world go round

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple  over a year ago

Falkirk


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

Technically it is actually a breach of The Equality Act 2010. Did someone say they wanted a lawyer....? "

So how does that law work and why has in never been implemented in the case of the ops question?

Got my attention now

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

Technically it is actually a breach of The Equality Act 2010. Did someone say they wanted a lawyer....? "

if you took on the case you'd lose.... as we know there are exceptions within the equality act.......

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By *innamon!Woman  over a year ago

no matter


"Probably!!

Then they close....

Then your F#@ked....

No, then they start charging same rate to everyone "

I wouldn’t have gone to Kestrels and pay the same as a man.

I would expect pensioner rates.

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"It would lead to more couples only clubs which we would like x"

this is what would more likely happen.... and then singles, both men and women, would be frozen out of the scene.....

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"Single guys are cash cows for clubs.

There. I said it "

Yeah but the cash cows wouldn't come if it wasn't for the single females (who I have heard referred to somewhat charmingly as the club "fuckpigs")... One doesn't work without the other.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

Technically it is actually a breach of The Equality Act 2010. Did someone say they wanted a lawyer....?

So how does that law work and why has in never been implemented in the case of the ops question?

Got my attention now "

The Equality Act 2010 says you must not be discriminated against because:

you are (or are not) a particular sex (gender)someone thinks you are the opposite sex (this is known as discrimination by perception)you are connected to someone of a particular sex (this is known as discrimination by association)

In the Equality Act, sex can mean either male or female, or a group of people like men or boys, or women or girls.

There are four main types of sex discrimination, the most comkon of which is "Direct discrimination"

This happens when, because of your sex, someone treats you worse than someone of the opposite sex who is in a similar situation. For example:

a nightclub offers free entry to women but charges men to get in

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If it was illegal someone would have sued by now. Women are free because they are bait. Men pay for the inference of sex being available.

"

Like brothel

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

Technically it is actually a breach of The Equality Act 2010. Did someone say they wanted a lawyer....?

if you took on the case you'd lose.... as we know there are exceptions within the equality act......."

There have already been test cases on exactly this, and they won.....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I don’t think the difference should be so big in entry. I almost feel like it contributes to some of the entitlement that men feel...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

I think you are missing the point..

this question normally comes up every couple of months....

the answer is no!!! because there are exemptions in the SDA that allow for pricing to encourage under-represented groups of people......

Women/couples are under-represented group of people? Seriously? "

Yup they are. Especially single females. As a single female i wouldnt feel comfy going to a club alone

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By *SAchickWoman  over a year ago

Hillside desolate


"Single guys are cash cows for clubs.

There. I said it

Yeah but the cash cows wouldn't come if it wasn't for the single females (who I have heard referred to somewhat charmingly as the club "fuckpigs")... One doesn't work without the other. "

Fuckpig would be such a good username

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"There are multiple placed which charge different admission fees although all are using the same facilities.

Look at your local cinema, there are a variety of prices all for watching the same film. Your local museum for seeing the same exhibits. Your local swimming pool for using the same water. Your football team for watching the same goals. "

Yes but never based on gender. The OP has a valid point the females do only want money men there and that need is facilitated

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

They could probably get past it by saying that the guys rate is the full proper rate but that they are offering special discounts to women and couples to promote their business. I guess the law would support them.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Single guys are cash cows for clubs.

There. I said it

Yeah but the cash cows wouldn't come if it wasn't for the single females (who I have heard referred to somewhat charmingly as the club "fuckpigs")... One doesn't work without the other. "

Totally agree. Fun down on the farm

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Where are those feminist... Don't they need equal treatment as men here... Why don't you pay same amount as single men

I have no problem with the clubs reducing the price to £5 per head, as long as they ensure that the proportion of Males/ Couples/ Females remains roughly as it is now."

Reduce the price by £5 ...lol so, single ladies get £5 quid if they visit.... You do realise in most clubs, fem go free...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"it’s been that way for decades

Doesn’t mean it’s correct "

The main issue I see soon is how do they distinguish between male and female as according to the general populous on the forums it's not a physical thing that distinguishes gender anymore, how one thinks mentally about who they are now.

It might not be long before we need to give proof at entry...

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple  over a year ago

Falkirk


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

Technically it is actually a breach of The Equality Act 2010. Did someone say they wanted a lawyer....?

So how does that law work and why has in never been implemented in the case of the ops question?

Got my attention now

The Equality Act 2010 says you must not be discriminated against because:

you are (or are not) a particular sex (gender)someone thinks you are the opposite sex (this is known as discrimination by perception)you are connected to someone of a particular sex (this is known as discrimination by association)

In the Equality Act, sex can mean either male or female, or a group of people like men or boys, or women or girls.

There are four main types of sex discrimination, the most comkon of which is "Direct discrimination"

This happens when, because of your sex, someone treats you worse than someone of the opposite sex who is in a similar situation. For example:

a nightclub offers free entry to women but charges men to get in

"

OK I think I got it lol.

But in the case of direct discrimination they club is not refusing entry its only charging a higher fee which at the time of entry most males accept and willing to pay.

And in some cases single males need to pre book prior to entry thus accepting the terms and conditions of the club.

Yes/No lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don’t think the difference should be so big in entry. I almost feel like it contributes to some of the entitlement that men feel..."

Agree.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I don’t think the difference should be so big in entry. I almost feel like it contributes to some of the entitlement that men feel..."

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By *urve BallWoman  over a year ago

North London


"Where are those feminist... Don't they need equal treatment as men here... Why don't you pay same amount as single men

I have no problem with the clubs reducing the price to £5 per head, as long as they ensure that the proportion of Males/ Couples/ Females remains roughly as it is now."

Exactly. Which would mean that there are quotas/ratios for each party, therefore many single guys wouldn't be able to attend for any chosen party. Me thinks that they wouldn't like a closed door a lot more that they don't like the difference in price.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

Technically it is actually a breach of The Equality Act 2010. Did someone say they wanted a lawyer....?

So how does that law work and why has in never been implemented in the case of the ops question?

Got my attention now

The Equality Act 2010 says you must not be discriminated against because:

you are (or are not) a particular sex (gender)someone thinks you are the opposite sex (this is known as discrimination by perception)you are connected to someone of a particular sex (this is known as discrimination by association)

In the Equality Act, sex can mean either male or female, or a group of people like men or boys, or women or girls.

There are four main types of sex discrimination, the most comkon of which is "Direct discrimination"

This happens when, because of your sex, someone treats you worse than someone of the opposite sex who is in a similar situation. For example:

a nightclub offers free entry to women but charges men to get in

OK I think I got it lol.

But in the case of direct discrimination they club is not refusing entry its only charging a higher fee which at the time of entry most males accept and willing to pay.

And in some cases single males need to pre book prior to entry thus accepting the terms and conditions of the club.

Yes/No lol

"

Yes and No, because the second most common type of sexual discrimination is "Indirect Discrimination"

Indirect discrimination happens when an organisation has a particular policy or way of working that applies in the same way to both sexes but which puts you at a disadvantage because of your sex. For example:

an employer decides to change shift patterns for staff so that they finish at 5pm instead of 3pm. Female employees with caring responsibilities could be at a disadvantage if the new shift pattern means they cannot collect their children from school or childcare. Or men are charged more to enter a club purely because they're not female.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I've been to clubs as part of a couple and a single guy...all I can say to the guys who winge about the costs for single guys is man up and grow a pair...it's life its not always fair...how would you like then if they limited the number if single guys here to equal the number of single women...oops 90% get instant profile deletion..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Probably!!

Then they close....

Then your F#@ked....

No, then they start charging same rate to everyone "

Dream on, it'll just be a cock fest if that was to happen. Clubs have to incentivise women (single or part of a couple) to attend their clubs.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I've been to clubs as part of a couple and a single guy...all I can say to the guys who winge about the costs for single guys is man up and grow a pair...it's life its not always fair...how would you like then if they limited the number if single guys here to equal the number of single women...oops 90% get instant profile deletion.."

On the flip side, as a woman, I’m actually not comfortable with men paying so much more.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple  over a year ago

Falkirk


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

Technically it is actually a breach of The Equality Act 2010. Did someone say they wanted a lawyer....?

So how does that law work and why has in never been implemented in the case of the ops question?

Got my attention now

The Equality Act 2010 says you must not be discriminated against because:

you are (or are not) a particular sex (gender)someone thinks you are the opposite sex (this is known as discrimination by perception)you are connected to someone of a particular sex (this is known as discrimination by association)

In the Equality Act, sex can mean either male or female, or a group of people like men or boys, or women or girls.

There are four main types of sex discrimination, the most comkon of which is "Direct discrimination"

This happens when, because of your sex, someone treats you worse than someone of the opposite sex who is in a similar situation. For example:

a nightclub offers free entry to women but charges men to get in

OK I think I got it lol.

But in the case of direct discrimination they club is not refusing entry its only charging a higher fee which at the time of entry most males accept and willing to pay.

And in some cases single males need to pre book prior to entry thus accepting the terms and conditions of the club.

Yes/No lol

Yes and No, because the second most common type of sexual discrimination is "Indirect Discrimination"

Indirect discrimination happens when an organisation has a particular policy or way of working that applies in the same way to both sexes but which puts you at a disadvantage because of your sex. For example:

an employer decides to change shift patterns for staff so that they finish at 5pm instead of 3pm. Female employees with caring responsibilities could be at a disadvantage if the new shift pattern means they cannot collect their children from school or childcare. Or men are charged more to enter a club purely because they're not female."

OK I get you. Like someone said above it would push clubs in the direction of couples only eliminating the single male and female.

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By *agermeisterMan  over a year ago

Leeds

Yet another butt hurt single guy post.

Once in, all single guys have to wear is a skanky pair of boxers - £4.99 from M&S or a towel provided by the club.

Some conventional clubs prevent entry of single males let alone charge extra.

Women are expected to wear sexy underwear and heels. How much? £60-£70?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

Technically it is actually a breach of The Equality Act 2010. Did someone say they wanted a lawyer....?

So how does that law work and why has in never been implemented in the case of the ops question?

Got my attention now

The Equality Act 2010 says you must not be discriminated against because:

you are (or are not) a particular sex (gender)someone thinks you are the opposite sex (this is known as discrimination by perception)you are connected to someone of a particular sex (this is known as discrimination by association)

In the Equality Act, sex can mean either male or female, or a group of people like men or boys, or women or girls.

There are four main types of sex discrimination, the most comkon of which is "Direct discrimination"

This happens when, because of your sex, someone treats you worse than someone of the opposite sex who is in a similar situation. For example:

a nightclub offers free entry to women but charges men to get in

"

But treat all members the same (with a smile) once they've gained entry

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham


"Yet another butt hurt single guy post.

Once in, all single guys have to wear is a skanky pair of boxers - £4.99 from M&S or a towel provided by the club.

Some conventional clubs prevent entry of single males let alone charge extra.

Women are expected to wear sexy underwear and heels. How much? £60-£70?

"

Not sure what clubs you go to

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Probably!!

Then they close....

Then your F#@ked....

No, then they start charging same rate to everyone "

Do men pay less or women and couples pay more? Or both and meet in the middle?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yet another butt hurt single guy post.

Once in, all single guys have to wear is a skanky pair of boxers - £4.99 from M&S or a towel provided by the club.

Some conventional clubs prevent entry of single males let alone charge extra.

Women are expected to wear sexy underwear and heels. How much? £60-£70?

"

If a requisite to entry for a club was heels and lingerie I would not be able to ever attend.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Single guys are cash cows for clubs.

There. I said it

Yeah but the cash cows wouldn't come if it wasn't for the single females (who I have heard referred to somewhat charmingly as the club "fuckpigs")... One doesn't work without the other.

Totally agree. Fun down on the farm "

What the fucks a fuck pig hahahahaha i have definatly had a sheltered life lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yet another butt hurt single guy post.

Once in, all single guys have to wear is a skanky pair of boxers - £4.99 from M&S or a towel provided by the club.

Some conventional clubs prevent entry of single males let alone charge extra.

Women are expected to wear sexy underwear and heels. How much? £60-£70?

"

Discrimination right there ??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Yet another butt hurt single guy post.

Once in, all single guys have to wear is a skanky pair of boxers - £4.99 from M&S or a towel provided by the club.

Some conventional clubs prevent entry of single males let alone charge extra.

Women are expected to wear sexy underwear and heels. How much? £60-£70?

Discrimination right there ?? "

?? =

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By *J RHEAMan  over a year ago

S West

I'm gender fluid, I'll pay the females price

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm gender fluid, I'll pay the females price"

You’d look terrible in a dress.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I am not a lawyer, but I believe that private clubs are entitled to charge whatever they like for entry/membership - people can either pay it or look elsewhere.

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By *urve BallWoman  over a year ago

North London


"It is this way in order to entice more women to attend. If it was the same price for everyone, it'd be a sausage fest. Maybe good for gay/bi events but I very much doubt that you or any other guy would go or want to go again to a party where there's 90 men and 10 women.

I’d go to that party "

Trust me, you wouldn't like it. I've been to one where there were about 30 men and 3 women and had to leave after half an hour because it was non-stop guys trying to "talk" to me and it became literally overwhelming. Hated it and always try to go to parties that I know have an almost equal ratio.

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By *J RHEAMan  over a year ago

S West

Who says women have to wear dresses :p

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By *obbytupperMan  over a year ago

Menston near Ilkley

I think you might find it less expensive having a sex change OP than going through the law.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It is this way in order to entice more women to attend. If it was the same price for everyone, it'd be a sausage fest. Maybe good for gay/bi events but I very much doubt that you or any other guy would go or want to go again to a party where there's 90 men and 10 women.

I’d go to that party

Trust me, you wouldn't like it. I've been to one where there were about 30 men and 3 women and had to leave after half an hour because it was non-stop guys trying to "talk" to me and it became literally overwhelming. Hated it and always try to go to parties that I know have an almost equal ratio."

No I’d love that

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

The Equality Act has an exemption, though; "a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.”

It is a legitimate aim of sex clubs to have the right mix of people. I don’t imagine a club would have too much difficulty arguing that single men are more expensive to host, so you’ve covered the price difference, too.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The Equality Act has an exemption, though; "a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.”

It is a legitimate aim of sex clubs to have the right mix of people. I don’t imagine a club would have too much difficulty arguing that single men are more expensive to host, so you’ve covered the price difference, too."

How are they more expensive to host?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple  over a year ago

London


"The Equality Act has an exemption, though; "a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.”

It is a legitimate aim of sex clubs to have the right mix of people. I don’t imagine a club would have too much difficulty arguing that single men are more expensive to host, so you’ve covered the price difference, too."

I'm a lawyer. I have argued this many times on here, but basically arguing that gender based pricing is lawful is always going to be very difficult.

If a man brought a county court equality act claim against a club I think he would probably win.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan  over a year ago

Aberdeenshire


"How are they more expensive to host?"

I haven’t been, but from the descriptions I’ve read on here of the conduct of some single men in clubs, staffing and general maintenance.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How are they more expensive to host?

I haven’t been, but from the descriptions I’ve read on here of the conduct of some single men in clubs, staffing and general maintenance."

I think that would be pretty difficult to prove to be honest. Single guys won’t cost any more to clubs than anyone else.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Where are those feminist... Don't they need equal treatment as men here... Why don't you pay same amount as single men

I have no problem with the clubs reducing the price to £5 per head, as long as they ensure that the proportion of Males/ Couples/ Females remains roughly as it is now.

Reduce the price by £5 ...lol so, single ladies get £5 quid if they visit.... You do realise in most clubs, fem go free... "

I said "to" £5. As in for everyone. And yes. I do realise.

As a poster above said though- maybe it would stop the desperate sense of entitlement "some" single men demonstrate in clubs.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple  over a year ago

London


"How are they more expensive to host?

I haven’t been, but from the descriptions I’ve read on here of the conduct of some single men in clubs, staffing and general maintenance.

I think that would be pretty difficult to prove to be honest. Single guys won’t cost any more to clubs than anyone else. "

A club would be likely to argue that they need to attract women and the only way to do this is to limit men by price. The problem with that argument is that. (a) facilitating casual sex may not be seen as a "legitimate aim" and. (b) even if it was, rationing by price is unlikely to be seen as a "proportionate means".

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"How are they more expensive to host?

I haven’t been, but from the descriptions I’ve read on here of the conduct of some single men in clubs, staffing and general maintenance.

I think that would be pretty difficult to prove to be honest. Single guys won’t cost any more to clubs than anyone else.

A club would be likely to argue that they need to attract women and the only way to do this is to limit men by price. The problem with that argument is that. (a) facilitating casual sex may not be seen as a "legitimate aim" and. (b) even if it was, rationing by price is unlikely to be seen as a "proportionate means". "

Totally agree. My question to the poster though was about why he thought single men were more expensive to host, as in an actual cost to the club. I don’t see how that could be the case.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

I look forward to the day when private clubs have to adhere to the same equality legislation as other businesses. At present they have a great get-out position that other businesses don't and it's no fair.

In 2018 equality should be the norm and anything else should be as repugnant as extreme abuse.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Why not just start a boycott?

If all single men refused to go to a club, they would be forced to change the pricing...

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"

I have never been either but it hurts to see the prices on party profile

so then the issue isn't the fact you can't go, but the fact you can't go as often as you would like........ "

I don’t think it’s the issue because if I want to go I can go regardless of price.. like a night out.. can you think of something else it could be about Fabio?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Probably!!

Then they close....

Then your F#@ked.... "

Or not F#@ked As the case may be !

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By *otSoNewWalesCoupleCouple  over a year ago

South Wales


"Single guys are required to pay more at clubs for entry compared to couples and single girls.. can this be potentially illegal as they use the same facilities? Where are all the swinger barristers or shall I call my friend who is a trainee lawyer

I’m starting a petition too "

Another politically correct 'equality' thread. Zzzzzzzz!

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By *iSTARessWoman  over a year ago

London

https://youtu.be/DXg6UB9Qk0o

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If it was illegal someone would have sued by now. Women are free because they are bait. Men pay for the inference of sex being available.

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It is likely to be sexual discrimination but the complainant would only be able to recover the damages that they could demonstrate and it would be an expensive process. Presumably the club would argue that the single women attracted the single men and, thus, it was a commercial decision

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Clubs would have to basically argue that they were needed the women as bait. Can't see a court backing that type of business model.

Normal night clubs argued against this law when it first came in, it fell on deaf ears.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I guess that the problem would be that they tend to be members clubs so members have agreed to the entrance policy when joining

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By *r WillerbyMan  over a year ago

Durham

Should be equal for all. Swinging scene attracts all sorts of good and bad, sane and loonies, hot and not.

History tells us men are more 'strange' than women so they charge for men to be members to keep the 'riff raff' out.

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By *atindollTV/TS  over a year ago

edinburgh

Regardless of the ins and outs of it the ops original point is valid in that,if this were women that had to pay more there would be hell to pay and army's of skinheaded shouty women in combat jackets would be picketing a place they wouldn't be seen dead in.

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By *atindollTV/TS  over a year ago

edinburgh


"I guess that the problem would be that they tend to be members clubs so members have agreed to the entrance policy when joining"

Yeah like men only golf clubs....that doesn't work anymore does it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I thought illegal was a sick bird

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

I think you are missing the point..

this question normally comes up every couple of months....

the answer is no!!! because there are exemptions in the SDA that allow for pricing to encourage under-represented groups of people......

Women/couples are under-represented group of people? Seriously?

Yup they are. Especially single females. As a single female i wouldnt feel comfy going to a club alone"

But you would feel comfortable if it was cheaper for you than your male counterparts?

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By *irenGuy70Man  over a year ago

Cirencester

There is some interesting information around this area on the Government website about how the Equality Act regulates the way in which private clubs and other types of associations treat their members.

Regarding the definition of a Private Club or Association, it is not "a club which is open to members of the public simply on payment of an entry fee, such as a night club or a gym – these are covered by different provisions which apply to service providers." but rather somewhere that "has rules (not necessarily formal or written) regulating who can be a member and there is a genuine selection process for members."

It goes on to say that "It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic - disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation."

Regarding Positive Action it says "Some people with protected characteristics are disadvantaged or under-represented, or have particular needs linked to their characteristic. Positive Action provisions in the Act enable private clubs and other associations to take proportionate steps to encourage membership among under-represented groups, or to help people overcome their disadvantages, or to meet their needs."

So, I guess the club's argument would be they are allowed to charge differently based on sex under Positive Action provisions.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Why not just start a boycott?

If all single men refused to go to a club, they would be forced to change the pricing..."

Are you Jeremy Corbyn?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"There is some interesting information around this area on the Government website about how the Equality Act regulates the way in which private clubs and other types of associations treat their members.

Regarding the definition of a Private Club or Association, it is not "a club which is open to members of the public simply on payment of an entry fee, such as a night club or a gym – these are covered by different provisions which apply to service providers." but rather somewhere that "has rules (not necessarily formal or written) regulating who can be a member and there is a genuine selection process for members."

It goes on to say that "It is unlawful for a private club or other association to discriminate against, harass or victimise an existing or potential member or an associate. (An associate is someone who is not a member but who has some or all of the rights of a member because they are a member of an affiliated private club.) A club cannot refuse membership, or grant membership on less favourable terms (such as by applying different conditions or fees) because the person has a protected characteristic - disability, gender reassignment, pregnancy and maternity, race, religion or belief, sex or sexual orientation."

Regarding Positive Action it says "Some people with protected characteristics are disadvantaged or under-represented, or have particular needs linked to their characteristic. Positive Action provisions in the Act enable private clubs and other associations to take proportionate steps to encourage membership among under-represented groups, or to help people overcome their disadvantages, or to meet their needs."

So, I guess the club's argument would be they are allowed to charge differently based on sex under Positive Action provisions.

"

Who would like to take a pro bono case?

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By *riskynriskyCouple  over a year ago

Essex.


"Why not just start a boycott?

If all single men refused to go to a club, they would be forced to change the pricing..."

If I was a single guy, I would see a boycott and think, great less competition and be in like a shot...

If you applied full equality, you would end up with clubs full of guys for a couple of months, then empty clubs, then no clubs...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Regardless of the ins and outs of it the ops original point is valid in that,if this were women that had to pay more there would be hell to pay and army's of skinheaded shouty women in combat jackets would be picketing a place they wouldn't be seen dead in.

"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Women want equal etc an equal opportunities but men have to pay more to enter a building... Mmmm let me think. That's really eual opportunities

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham


"Women want equal etc an equal opportunities but men have to pay more to enter a building... Mmmm let me think. That's really eual opportunities "

But the women don't set the entry prices at the clubs

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It is this way in order to entice more women to attend. If it was the same price for everyone, it'd be a sausage fest. Maybe good for gay/bi events but I very much doubt that you or any other guy would go or want to go again to a party where there's 90 men and 10 women.

Ermmm you can limit the numbers.. but charge same rate.. would women won’t attend if they had to pay the same rate? "

You limit the number by turning single males away each time they turn up, because the club as it's quota of guys ..the problem with that is, the males would not bother going at all because of the fear of being turned away and the wasted time on their part ..like getting ready for the club. The traveling to the club and so on. It would end up with a club with no males in it

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By * and M lookingCouple  over a year ago

Worcester


"Single guys are required to pay more at clubs for entry compared to couples and single girls.. can this be potentially illegal as they use the same facilities? Where are all the swinger barristers or shall I call my friend who is a trainee lawyer

I’m starting a petition too "

It's a filter

Sorts the wheat from the Chaff.

There are millions of single guys so the "if you wanna play you gotta pay" more brigade want to use it to their advantage then so be it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

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By * and M lookingCouple  over a year ago

Worcester


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege "

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege "

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege "

Privilege of what?

I do get what the op is saying. There is no right answer really.

Charge the women the same and its likely they won't go.

Reduce the cist for guys then the flood gates open and you are more likely to get chances or groups of guys going in and it will be like the stag party scene.

Currently SOME men have the attitude that as they've paid more to get in they have a right to sex when they are there.

It's a ruddy mine field!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

Privilege of what?

I do get what the op is saying. There is no right answer really.

Charge the women the same and its likely they won't go.

Reduce the cist for guys then the flood gates open and you are more likely to get chances or groups of guys going in and it will be like the stag party scene.

Currently SOME men have the attitude that as they've paid more to get in they have a right to sex when they are there.

It's a ruddy mine field! "

I’ve paid to go into clubs, been a guest and also worked as a butler etc. NEVER Have had any expectations

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By * and M lookingCouple  over a year ago

Worcester


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience."

The privilege of showing that you aren't a tight arse....simple.

So many freeloaders out there.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

Privilege of what?

I do get what the op is saying. There is no right answer really.

Charge the women the same and its likely they won't go.

Reduce the cist for guys then the flood gates open and you are more likely to get chances or groups of guys going in and it will be like the stag party scene.

Currently SOME men have the attitude that as they've paid more to get in they have a right to sex when they are there.

It's a ruddy mine field!

I’ve paid to go into clubs, been a guest and also worked as a butler etc. NEVER Have had any expectations "

That's why I said SOME and not YOU

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

The privilege of showing that you aren't a tight arse....simple.

So many freeloaders out there."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

Privilege of what?

I do get what the op is saying. There is no right answer really.

Charge the women the same and its likely they won't go.

Reduce the cist for guys then the flood gates open and you are more likely to get chances or groups of guys going in and it will be like the stag party scene.

Currently SOME men have the attitude that as they've paid more to get in they have a right to sex when they are there.

It's a ruddy mine field!

I’ve paid to go into clubs, been a guest and also worked as a butler etc. NEVER Have had any expectations

That's why I said SOME and not YOU "

Just saying my dear

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By *bsolutebeginnersCouple  over a year ago

Planet Ork

Is it that they charge men more or that they charge couples and single ladies a reduced price to encourage them?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience."

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

The privilege of showing that you aren't a tight arse....simple.

So many freeloaders out there."

Thats utter bollox and you know it

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By * and M lookingCouple  over a year ago

Worcester


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

The privilege of showing that you aren't a tight arse....simple.

So many freeloaders out there.

Thats utter bollox and you know it"

Nope just the sort of answer we have come to expect.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Do women think men should pay more?

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

The privilege of showing that you aren't a tight arse....simple.

So many freeloaders out there.

Thats utter bollox and you know it

Nope just the sort of answer we have come to expect. "

Ive never been to a club, never have, just not my scene.

But it was only though this thread did i realise that women and couples get in free whilst men have to pay over inflated prices.

Sorry but thats not right.

You mention free loaders...well the biggest culprit of that is.....well lets just say it isnt men.

Saying "the privilage of showing your not a tight arse" is a patbetic response.

Why dont the couples and women show they are not tight arses and offer to pay the an amount that will bring down the guys cost of entry to they are equal.

As far as im aware single guys are just as important part for the whole scene to work.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

The privilege of showing that you aren't a tight arse....simple.

So many freeloaders out there.

Thats utter bollox and you know it

Nope just the sort of answer we have come to expect.

Ive never been to a club, never have, just not my scene.

But it was only though this thread did i realise that women and couples get in free whilst men have to pay over inflated prices.

Sorry but thats not right.

You mention free loaders...well the biggest culprit of that is.....well lets just say it isnt men.

Saying "the privilage of showing your not a tight arse" is a patbetic response.

Why dont the couples and women show they are not tight arses and offer to pay the an amount that will bring down the guys cost of entry to they are equal.

As far as im aware single guys are just as important part for the whole scene to work.

"

Women and couples don't get in free at a lot of places but the cost is less that single guys.

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By *orningtonCroissantMan  over a year ago

notts and humberside

Women are the product, men are the customers it’s the same in nightclubs, online dating, everywhere where demand outstrips supply

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Would you want to turn up to a club and find its full of single blokes?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Single guys are cash cows for clubs.

There. I said it "

Have you been to a club where you over heard people saying " I wish there were more single blokes here tonight"

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

Most clubs if not all charge couples somee let single ladies in for free

The privilege of showing that you aren't a tight arse....simple.

So many freeloaders out there.

Thats utter bollox and you know it

Nope just the sort of answer we have come to expect.

Ive never been to a club, never have, just not my scene.

But it was only though this thread did i realise that women and couples get in free whilst men have to pay over inflated prices.

Sorry but thats not right.

You mention free loaders...well the biggest culprit of that is.....well lets just say it isnt men.

Saying "the privilage of showing your not a tight arse" is a patbetic response.

Why dont the couples and women show they are not tight arses and offer to pay the an amount that will bring down the guys cost of entry to they are equal.

As far as im aware single guys are just as important part for the whole scene to work.

"

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

The privilege of showing that you aren't a tight arse....simple.

So many freeloaders out there.

Thats utter bollox and you know it

Nope just the sort of answer we have come to expect.

Ive never been to a club, never have, just not my scene.

But it was only though this thread did i realise that women and couples get in free whilst men have to pay over inflated prices.

Sorry but thats not right.

You mention free loaders...well the biggest culprit of that is.....well lets just say it isnt men.

Saying "the privilage of showing your not a tight arse" is a patbetic response.

Why dont the couples and women show they are not tight arses and offer to pay the an amount that will bring down the guys cost of entry to they are equal.

As far as im aware single guys are just as important part for the whole scene to work.

Women and couples don't get in free at a lot of places but the cost is less that single guys. "

Ah ok i stand corrected.

Thought it was everyone but single guys getting in free.

Still doesn't seem right though :p

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By *xelf787Man  over a year ago

Chorlton, Manchester

It is not that much expensive on entry fee if you are a member. So the answer is join a club!!

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By *eithoWoman  over a year ago

Chatham

For anyone complaining about not getting the female discount, how would you incentivise women to attend your club?

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By *romageFraiseWoman  over a year ago

London

Even some normal clubs have gender pricing .... regularly seen posters saying free for ladies before 11pm

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"For anyone complaining about not getting the female discount, how would you incentivise women to attend your club? "

So do women only attend because its free entry?

Or do tbey attend because of the experience, the socialising and if they choose so the sex they may be a part off?

Would women no longer go if entry fee was a tenner or 20 quid?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman  over a year ago

evesham


"It is not that much expensive on entry fee if you are a member. So the answer is join a club!!"

So.... Case in point in support of the guys.... At one club I know it used to be entry for guys that are members is £33, on a guys first visit he has to pay membership fees of £70 on top of the entry fee meaning that in just one night he's paid out a ton just to get in.

Women and couples pay much less.

Whilst it's not right I can totally see where SOME (again, mrinstatiable!) guys go in with an expectation of sex. They soon get told though lol

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By *eithoWoman  over a year ago

Chatham


"For anyone complaining about not getting the female discount, how would you incentivise women to attend your club?

So do women only attend because its free entry?

Or do tbey attend because of the experience, the socialising and if they choose so the sex they may be a part off?

Would women no longer go if entry fee was a tenner or 20 quid?"

I’m my experience single women are rare in clubs as it is. I’m sure those that do don’t attend solely because it’s cheap, but I’m quite sure that paying full price would be a deterrent.

So how do we encourage single women to attend, if not with a discount?

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"For anyone complaining about not getting the female discount, how would you incentivise women to attend your club?

So do women only attend because its free entry?

Or do tbey attend because of the experience, the socialising and if they choose so the sex they may be a part off?

Would women no longer go if entry fee was a tenner or 20 quid?

I’m my experience single women are rare in clubs as it is. I’m sure those that do don’t attend solely because it’s cheap, but I’m quite sure that paying full price would be a deterrent.

So how do we encourage single women to attend, if not with a discount?"

Maybe they should pay the same as couples then..its not full price and then guys can get a discount.

Would be a good start.

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By *xelf787Man  over a year ago

Chorlton, Manchester


"It is not that much expensive on entry fee if you are a member. So the answer is join a club!!

So.... Case in point in support of the guys.... At one club I know it used to be entry for guys that are members is £33, on a guys first visit he has to pay membership fees of £70 on top of the entry fee meaning that in just one night he's paid out a ton just to get in.

Women and couples pay much less.

Whilst it's not right I can totally see where SOME (again, mrinstatiable!) guys go in with an expectation of sex. They soon get told though lol "

Yes first time would be expensive but you have to think long term in this game, I'm def a stayer lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Regardless of the ins and outs of it the ops original point is valid in that,if this were women that had to pay more there would be hell to pay and army's of skinheaded shouty women in combat jackets would be picketing a place they wouldn't be seen dead in.

"

They’d be invisible though, surely.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Why do men pay £50+ to walk around getting ignored or sneered at by snooty women and couples?

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool

To the guy that said men are free loaders and that they should pay for the privilage of not being a tight arse...

Answer me this..

You think if women and couples had to pay a bit more and that a guys costs was reduced to be a little bit more balanced..do you believe the clubs would then become empty and soon close as some has suggested?

Surely that doesn't make men the tight arses then it makes the females and couples the tight arses for not wanting or willing to pay a lil bit more seeing as they get the most from these clubs as single guys arnt gaurenteed any "fun" they are at the whim of the females and couples if they get fun.

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Why do men pay £50+ to walk around getting ignored or sneered at by snooty women and couples?"

Ive seen the men in clubs revered too as a zombie hoard from walking dead at clubs.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I’d be willing to pay more as a female if it means the guys pay less.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience."

Poor argument as experience is unique to the individual.

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

Poor argument as experience is unique to the individual."

Not a poor agument at all.

Saying a guy has to pay for the privilage of not being a tight arse...is the poor argument as to why guys have to pay more.

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By *eithoWoman  over a year ago

Chatham


"For anyone complaining about not getting the female discount, how would you incentivise women to attend your club?

So do women only attend because its free entry?

Or do tbey attend because of the experience, the socialising and if they choose so the sex they may be a part off?

Would women no longer go if entry fee was a tenner or 20 quid?

I’m my experience single women are rare in clubs as it is. I’m sure those that do don’t attend solely because it’s cheap, but I’m quite sure that paying full price would be a deterrent.

So how do we encourage single women to attend, if not with a discount?

Maybe they should pay the same as couples then..its not full price and then guys can get a discount.

Would be a good start."

So you think increasing the price women pay will encourage more of them to attend? I’m not convinced that would work.

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By *ynecplCouple  over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

Poor argument as experience is unique to the individual."

Totally agree and I would suspect it is a pretty poor experience for most single guys.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Single guys are cash cows for clubs.

There. I said it

Have you been to a club where you over heard people saying " I wish there were more single blokes here tonight""

Yes. In fact I’ve even made a similar statement myself more than once.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

Poor argument as experience is unique to the individual.

Not a poor agument at all.

Saying a guy has to pay for the privilage of not being a tight arse...is the poor argument as to why guys have to pay more."

You cannot debate my point with somebody else's when they are not associated.

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple  over a year ago

Chester

To us swinging is with couples hence we prefer couples only nights. We've been put off going on a mixed night as far too many single men flowing trying to push in playroom. Maybe we were unlucky but they will get nowhere with us with this behaviour. Trying another club see what dynamics are but it's the desperate males that spoil it for the genuine social ones. We wouldn't attend a club swarming with single males outnumbering couples, but some might everyone is looking for different things

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

Poor argument as experience is unique to the individual.

Not a poor agument at all.

Saying a guy has to pay for the privilage of not being a tight arse...is the poor argument as to why guys have to pay more.

You cannot debate my point with somebody else's when they are not associated. "

The lady that replied to your post makes a good point.

Most single guys experience at a club will be a poor one.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"For anyone complaining about not getting the female discount, how would you incentivise women to attend your club?

So do women only attend because its free entry?

Or do tbey attend because of the experience, the socialising and if they choose so the sex they may be a part off?

Would women no longer go if entry fee was a tenner or 20 quid?"

I would still go. I’ve paid a £20 entry fee on a couple of occasions and it didn’t bother me. Not sure how much the guys were paying but I think it was £50

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"To us swinging is with couples hence we prefer couples only nights. We've been put off going on a mixed night as far too many single men flowing trying to push in playroom. Maybe we were unlucky but they will get nowhere with us with this behaviour. Trying another club see what dynamics are but it's the desperate males that spoil it for the genuine social ones. We wouldn't attend a club swarming with single males outnumbering couples, but some might everyone is looking for different things "

Exactly. Desires and expectations are different for all. For me (and i am not assuming a gender trait but possible), i meet guys one-to-one and desire a good holistic experience - this has nothing to do with an orgasm. If it did I'd stick with my wand - cheaper experience and almost guaranteed. Clubs and meets - orgasms are once in a blue moon. I imagine for the majority of single men it's about getting their rocks off.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

Poor argument as experience is unique to the individual.

Not a poor agument at all.

Saying a guy has to pay for the privilage of not being a tight arse...is the poor argument as to why guys have to pay more.

You cannot debate my point with somebody else's when they are not associated.

The lady that replied to your post makes a good point.

Most single guys experience at a club will be a poor one.

"

I'm sure repeat single male visitors to those clubs agree

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By *ilNdoCouple  over a year ago

Liverpool

Similar to women being paid less for doing the same job as a man this shit still happens!!

Just have to deal with it!!

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

Poor argument as experience is unique to the individual.

Not a poor agument at all.

Saying a guy has to pay for the privilage of not being a tight arse...is the poor argument as to why guys have to pay more.

You cannot debate my point with somebody else's when they are not associated.

The lady that replied to your post makes a good point.

Most single guys experience at a club will be a poor one.

I'm sure repeat single male visitors to those clubs agree "

Hence why i said most single guys and not all.

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By *ynecplCouple  over a year ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

I would be interested to know if single guy numbers are down at clubs it feels a bit like that when we go to clubs but we might just not notice them as we are not looking to meet single guys.

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By *ucy83SOWoman  over a year ago

Southampton


"Probably!!

Then they close....

Then your F#@ked....

No, then they start charging same rate to everyone "

Yes, they would out all entry fees up to the single guy rate, and if that happened chances are most couples and single girls would stop going.

Enjoy the sausagefest

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Don’t be cheap. You’re paying for the privilege

The privilege of what?

What exactly does a guy get in a club thats more of a privilage than women?

Far as i know they both get the same experience.

Poor argument as experience is unique to the individual.

Not a poor agument at all.

Saying a guy has to pay for the privilage of not being a tight arse...is the poor argument as to why guys have to pay more.

You cannot debate my point with somebody else's when they are not associated.

The lady that replied to your post makes a good point.

Most single guys experience at a club will be a poor one.

I'm sure repeat single male visitors to those clubs agree

Hence why i said most single guys and not all.

"

You cannot say most, you can only say some. If it was most, clubs would be closing down faster than new ones opening.

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By *urve BallWoman  over a year ago

North London


"To the guy that said men are free loaders and that they should pay for the privilage of not being a tight arse...

Answer me this..

You think if women and couples had to pay a bit more and that a guys costs was reduced to be a little bit more balanced..do you believe the clubs would then become empty and soon close as some has suggested?

Surely that doesn't make men the tight arses then it makes the females and couples the tight arses for not wanting or willing to pay a lil bit more seeing as they get the most from these clubs as single guys arnt gaurenteed any "fun" they are at the whim of the females and couples if they get fun."

By your own admission, you haven't been to a club. I have seen application for a guestlist (for a club that works with quotas) and for every 20 guys, there's 1 woman that applies, even with the prices being uneven. If you charged a flat rate, you'd get 100 guys to 1 woman, not only because women wouldn't get an incentive to attend if the price was higher but because the guys' numbers would massively increase if the price was lower, resulting to masses of them being turned away and ultimately get fed up of being turned away.

Have you read ALL the responses in this thread? A LOT of good points were made as to why the pricing tier works this way.

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple  over a year ago

Chester


"To us swinging is with couples hence we prefer couples only nights. We've been put off going on a mixed night as far too many single men flowing trying to push in playroom. Maybe we were unlucky but they will get nowhere with us with this behaviour. Trying another club see what dynamics are but it's the desperate males that spoil it for the genuine social ones. We wouldn't attend a club swarming with single males outnumbering couples, but some might everyone is looking for different things

Exactly. Desires and expectations are different for all. For me (and i am not assuming a gender trait but possible), i meet guys one-to-one and desire a good holistic experience - this has nothing to do with an orgasm. If it did I'd stick with my wand - cheaper experience and almost guaranteed. Clubs and meets - orgasms are once in a blue moon. I imagine for the majority of single men it's about getting their rocks off."

It's Social night out for us, meeting friendly people, having a laugh going with the flow fun following. Too many single men don't get this & try to jump in. I'm sure they aren't all like this but to not have some vetting/filtering system by club would result in men only in clubs surely

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Probably!!

Then they close....

Then your F#@ked....

No, then they start charging same rate to everyone

Yes, they would out all entry fees up to the single guy rate, and if that happened chances are most couples and single girls would stop going.

Enjoy the sausagefest "

So basically your saying if women and couples had to pay same price as a guy you would all stop attending??

What makes your 30-50 pound more valuable and important than a single guys 30-50 pound.

So basically 30-50 pound is too much for single women and couples but its not too much for a guy?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Probably!!

Then they close....

Then your F#@ked....

No, then they start charging same rate to everyone

Yes, they would out all entry fees up to the single guy rate, and if that happened chances are most couples and single girls would stop going.

Enjoy the sausagefest

So basically your saying if women and couples had to pay same price as a guy you would all stop attending??

What makes your 30-50 pound more valuable and important than a single guys 30-50 pound.

So basically 30-50 pound is too much for single women and couples but its not too much for a guy?

"

Vaginas

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Probably!!

Then they close....

Then your F#@ked....

No, then they start charging same rate to everyone

Yes, they would out all entry fees up to the single guy rate, and if that happened chances are most couples and single girls would stop going.

Enjoy the sausagefest

So basically your saying if women and couples had to pay same price as a guy you would all stop attending??

What makes your 30-50 pound more valuable and important than a single guys 30-50 pound.

So basically 30-50 pound is too much for single women and couples but its not too much for a guy?

"

I'd need a student discount

Seriously though, i have previously heard of economics as a pointer. So we're talking perceived disposable income.

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By *LIRTWITHUSCouple  over a year ago

Chester


"Probably!!

Then they close....

Then your F#@ked....

No, then they start charging same rate to everyone

Yes, they would out all entry fees up to the single guy rate, and if that happened chances are most couples and single girls would stop going.

Enjoy the sausagefest

So basically your saying if women and couples had to pay same price as a guy you would all stop attending??

What makes your 30-50 pound more valuable and important than a single guys 30-50 pound.

So basically 30-50 pound is too much for single women and couples but its not too much for a guy?

I'd need a student discount

Seriously though, i have previously heard of economics as a pointer. So we're talking perceived disposable income."

Choose clubs wisely, different nights for different people. The reason certain nights are more expensive for males is they don't want them nights overrun by them. Hotwife nights they want loads. Organised events with guest list the organiser balances out singles to couples ratio. We go to some events and its £60 per couple others £20.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"It is this way in order to entice more women to attend. If it was the same price for everyone, it'd be a sausage fest. Maybe good for gay/bi events but I very much doubt that you or any other guy would go or want to go again to a party where there's 90 men and 10 women."

We are here aren't we? Compared to fab, 9-1 against sounds like pretty good odds...

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool

Ok so from what im gathering is this...

If most women and couples was charged 30-50 pound entry fee they wouldnt attend anymore making it a sausage fest and will soon close.

Well let's say the single men devolped that same mentality and stopped attending becsuse of the cost of entry.

The clubs lose there main source of cash income.

There for increasing prices for women and couples anyway..then they stop going then closure.

Seems to me everyone needs everyone for it to work. So there should be a more balanced payment scheme.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"To the guy that said men are free loaders and that they should pay for the privilage of not being a tight arse...

Answer me this..

You think if women and couples had to pay a bit more and that a guys costs was reduced to be a little bit more balanced..do you believe the clubs would then become empty and soon close as some has suggested?

Surely that doesn't make men the tight arses then it makes the females and couples the tight arses for not wanting or willing to pay a lil bit more seeing as they get the most from these clubs as single guys arnt gaurenteed any "fun" they are at the whim of the females and couples if they get fun."

If that’s directed at me I said cheap.

I don’t really care mate, do you need a hug

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By *humper9erMan  over a year ago

Rocklin


"Never been to a club and unlikely to ever do and I am not a lawyer

But - private club or not.. it has to operate within the guidelines set by law - and discriminated prices against gender is probably an area that needs looking at

Not to sue but to advice clubs to revise their membership rules and pricing "

If you were to find a lawyer, hope you have deep pockets! it's totally with in the clubs descretion to charge what they will, with in reason. I doubt any club charges twice as much for single guys, But, all the major sports gets away with it for every game.

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"To the guy that said men are free loaders and that they should pay for the privilage of not being a tight arse...

Answer me this..

You think if women and couples had to pay a bit more and that a guys costs was reduced to be a little bit more balanced..do you believe the clubs would then become empty and soon close as some has suggested?

Surely that doesn't make men the tight arses then it makes the females and couples the tight arses for not wanting or willing to pay a lil bit more seeing as they get the most from these clubs as single guys arnt gaurenteed any "fun" they are at the whim of the females and couples if they get fun.

If that’s directed at me I said cheap.

I don’t really care mate, do you need a hug "

No buddy it wasnt..it was someone else that said guys should pay for the privilage not to be a tight arse.

Ill take that hug though... thsnks

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I can’t understand why a MF couple don’t pay the same cost as a F and a M added together.

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Never been to a club and unlikely to ever do and I am not a lawyer

But - private club or not.. it has to operate within the guidelines set by law - and discriminated prices against gender is probably an area that needs looking at

Not to sue but to advice clubs to revise their membership rules and pricing

If you were to find a lawyer, hope you have deep pockets! it's totally with in the clubs descretion to charge what they will, with in reason. I doubt any club charges twice as much for single guys, But, all the major sports gets away with it for every game."

You say clubs dont charge more than twice as much for single guys.

Now i dont know the pricing for clubs but just seeing the numbers thrown out here its free for single women, couples pay a smaller figure and guys pay upto 50 pounds?

That seems like more than double to me.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Never been to a club and unlikely to ever do and I am not a lawyer

But - private club or not.. it has to operate within the guidelines set by law - and discriminated prices against gender is probably an area that needs looking at

Not to sue but to advice clubs to revise their membership rules and pricing

If you were to find a lawyer, hope you have deep pockets! it's totally with in the clubs descretion to charge what they will, with in reason. I doubt any club charges twice as much for single guys, But, all the major sports gets away with it for every game."

Many clubs charge more than twice as much for single guys

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"To the guy that said men are free loaders and that they should pay for the privilage of not being a tight arse...

Answer me this..

You think if women and couples had to pay a bit more and that a guys costs was reduced to be a little bit more balanced..do you believe the clubs would then become empty and soon close as some has suggested?

Surely that doesn't make men the tight arses then it makes the females and couples the tight arses for not wanting or willing to pay a lil bit more seeing as they get the most from these clubs as single guys arnt gaurenteed any "fun" they are at the whim of the females and couples if they get fun.

If that’s directed at me I said cheap.

I don’t really care mate, do you need a hug

No buddy it wasnt..it was someone else that said guys should pay for the privilage not to be a tight arse.

Ill take that hug though... thsnks "

Hugs all round. Have a good weekend

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By *iverpool LoverMan  over a year ago

liverpool


"Never been to a club and unlikely to ever do and I am not a lawyer

But - private club or not.. it has to operate within the guidelines set by law - and discriminated prices against gender is probably an area that needs looking at

Not to sue but to advice clubs to revise their membership rules and pricing

If you were to find a lawyer, hope you have deep pockets! it's totally with in the clubs descretion to charge what they will, with in reason. I doubt any club charges twice as much for single guys, But, all the major sports gets away with it for every game.

Many clubs charge more than twice as much for single guys "

If a girl gets in free then basicaly no matter what they charge a guy...a guy will always be paying 100% more than a women.

If a club charged a women a quid and a guy 50pound hes paying 50 times the cost of a woman.

Not sure why he thought men wasnt getting charged more than twice. Lol

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By *parkle7Woman  over a year ago

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"It is this way in order to entice more women to attend. If it was the same price for everyone, it'd be a sausage fest. Maybe good for gay/bi events but I very much doubt that you or any other guy would go or want to go again to a party where there's 90 men and 10 women.

I’d go to that party

Trust me, you wouldn't like it. I've been to one where there were about 30 men and 3 women and had to leave after half an hour because it was non-stop guys trying to "talk" to me and it became literally overwhelming. Hated it and always try to go to parties that I know have an almost equal ratio.

No I’d love that "

Kitty..... I went to one in Manchester a little like this.....it’s still up there as one of THE best party nights I have attended - n I been the odd few!!!

Couples nights are ok now n then but are t really for me!!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Hate when threads close without a conclusion

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By *orticiaWoman  over a year ago

Wirral


"Which law are they breaking? It's a private club it's their rules don't like it don't go

Technically it is actually a breach of The Equality Act 2010. Did someone say they wanted a lawyer....?

So how does that law work and why has in never been implemented in the case of the ops question?

Got my attention now

The Equality Act 2010 says you must not be discriminated against because:

you are (or are not) a particular sex (gender)someone thinks you are the opposite sex (this is known as discrimination by perception)you are connected to someone of a particular sex (this is known as discrimination by association)

In the Equality Act, sex can mean either male or female, or a group of people like men or boys, or women or girls.

There are four main types of sex discrimination, the most comkon of which is "Direct discrimination"

This happens when, because of your sex, someone treats you worse than someone of the opposite sex who is in a similar situation. For example:

a nightclub offers free entry to women but charges men to get in

"

But there are exceptions for private members clubs - like gentlemen only clubs for example.

Swingers clubs are all licenced as private members clubs, which gives them different standards to follow & they are not breaking the law by charging a different pricing structure for men, women & couples. It’s also how some clubs can legally exclude T-Girls and how they can exclude people based on gender or sexuality from certain events (men only, women only, bi nights etc)

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