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"Reminds me that I have forgot to take mine this morning And hop down the hatch " I was on anti depressants for a short time. Horrible things. Felt sick and couldn’t get hard! | |||
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"Your friend is a pharmaceutical wet dream. How they would love to have everyone on medication. Best cure for depression...keep active, eat healthy, 30 mins of exercise a day. "I think a lot of people are too quick to turn to medication for too many things. Some genuinely do need medication I'm not belittling them. But I think it's worrying that people think the way the op's colleague does. I hope this person isn't a gp  | |||
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"Your friend is a pharmaceutical wet dream. How they would love to have everyone on medication. Best cure for depression...keep active, eat healthy, 30 mins of exercise a day. " | |||
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"You're right OP in that life is stressful and difficult and I think the amount of people who suffer depression is phenomenal. I do t however think we should all be in medication, we all need good friends instead and for people generally to be a whole lot kinder to others and respectful. It's becoming a very isolated world, people don't talk with other people anymore like they used to. Hell.... a lot of people don't even smile at others anymore. It's sad. " *i don't | |||
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"Not a topic to be generalised in the past I am sure I have suffe_ed from depression definitely suffer with IBS. I have been strong enough to get over it and carry on. Not everyone can do that and they are the ones who need help but will probably never ask. I know I lost a son who took his own life. The challenge is not getting people to talk to depressed people but getting the depressed people to ask for help." Deeply sorry to hear that, and you are so right, getting peiole to ask for help but not everyone can. It's a dreadful illness for those suffering and for those who are close to the person and wishing they could just make them better. | |||
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"But for those of us with a serotonin deficiency then medication is the only way to go..." It’s not, there are other options. Light for example. | |||
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"Your work colleague is a idiot. Diet and exercise is the way forward. " Wow | |||
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"But for those of us with a serotonin deficiency then medication is the only way to go... It’s not, there are other options. Light for example." It is, and as a former mental health worker i do know all the advice and tips and have followed them over the years without success. Some people need them or they would simply not be able to function. You wouldnt tell a person with a thyroxin deficiency to try other methods, so why a person with depression? If other methods have worked for you then im happy for you and almost envious, but not everyone has the same results | |||
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"Also stop watching the news, that helps. Haven’t watched it for 9 months, it’s brilliant I haven’t got a clue what’s going on. " This.......I'm happy living in my own world too, without knowing what's going on elsewhere too. | |||
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"You're right OP in that life is stressful and difficult and I think the amount of people who suffer depression is phenomenal. I do t however think we should all be in medication, we all need good friends instead and for people generally to be a whole lot kinder to others and respectful. It's becoming a very isolated world, people don't talk with other people anymore like they used to. Hell.... a lot of people don't even smile at others anymore. It's sad. " Yeah this is how I see things, but how can we as a society go about "fixing" things this way? | |||
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"Your work colleague is a idiot. Diet and exercise is the way forward. " I don't think having an opinion makes someone an idiot. | |||
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"Also stop watching the news, that helps. Haven’t watched it for 9 months, it’s brilliant I haven’t got a clue what’s going on. This.......I'm happy living in my own world too, without knowing what's going on elsewhere too." I think if it’s that important, someone will tell me about it. The news is always negative and it chips away at you, when you don’t really need to hear it. | |||
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"Also stop watching the news, that helps. Haven’t watched it for 9 months, it’s brilliant I haven’t got a clue what’s going on. This.......I'm happy living in my own world too, without knowing what's going on elsewhere too. I think if it’s that important, someone will tell me about it. The news is always negative and it chips away at you, when you don’t really need to hear it. " Yet other people can watch the news and it doesn't have that effect. I think that's down to personality type. Resilience plays a part I'm sure. I think it's fascinating how two people can experience the same things and have completely different reactions. | |||
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"You're right OP in that life is stressful and difficult and I think the amount of people who suffer depression is phenomenal. I do t however think we should all be in medication, we all need good friends instead and for people generally to be a whole lot kinder to others and respectful. It's becoming a very isolated world, people don't talk with other people anymore like they used to. Hell.... a lot of people don't even smile at others anymore. It's sad. Yeah this is how I see things, but how can we as a society go about "fixing" things this way? " By smiling | |||
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"Also stop watching the news, that helps. Haven’t watched it for 9 months, it’s brilliant I haven’t got a clue what’s going on. This.......I'm happy living in my own world too, without knowing what's going on elsewhere too. I think if it’s that important, someone will tell me about it. The news is always negative and it chips away at you, when you don’t really need to hear it. Yet other people can watch the news and it doesn't have that effect. I think that's down to personality type. Resilience plays a part I'm sure. I think it's fascinating how two people can experience the same things and have completely different reactions. " Definitely. I have friends who would be in a worse place mentally without the news, they seek out knowledge and keeping themselves informed of world events is so important. | |||
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"Also stop watching the news, that helps. Haven’t watched it for 9 months, it’s brilliant I haven’t got a clue what’s going on. This.......I'm happy living in my own world too, without knowing what's going on elsewhere too. I think if it’s that important, someone will tell me about it. The news is always negative and it chips away at you, when you don’t really need to hear it. Yet other people can watch the news and it doesn't have that effect. I think that's down to personality type. Resilience plays a part I'm sure. I think it's fascinating how two people can experience the same things and have completely different reactions. " True, totally agree. I’ve also had enough of looking at Huw Edwards face, that was another factor. | |||
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"Your friend is a pharmaceutical wet dream. How they would love to have everyone on medication. Best cure for depression...keep active, eat healthy, 30 mins of exercise a day. "My that sounds so simple. | |||
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"Op. Would you take that advice yourself, choosing the meds’ as your first and recommended option? Or try a lifestyle or many lifestyle changes first? " Personally I think her statement was a sweeping generalisation but I can kinda see where she is coming from in that our lifestyles have changed so much while our brains and basic needs haven't so as a society we are "missing" certain factors we used to get from the much more social communities we were. We have a lot more stress in these times than we had before whether we see it or not. On a personal level I wouldn't take medication as a first option no. | |||
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"Your friend is a pharmaceutical wet dream. How they would love to have everyone on medication. Best cure for depression...keep active, eat healthy, 30 mins of exercise a day.
My that sounds so simple."It's also true in the majority of cases. The definition of depression has grown so much since the original studies that proved it as a medical condition. Chemical imbalance does exist, but most people diagnosed with 'depression' don't have a a chemical imbalance. Most have an unhealthy lifestyle and stressful circumstances that anti depressants can't help with. Studies have proven that most people would experience a significantly higher improvenent on the Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression, by better diet, sleep and exercise; compa_ed to any anti depressant pills. | |||
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"Most Dr’s will get you to try CBT or Counselling before prescribing medication (although not sure they do this if you have suicidal thoughts). The issue is the long waiting lists (in my area at least) for these. Medication never made me feel better, it just cushioned the symptoms i had and made it easier to get through the day and essentially look after my children. It also made me feel numb and coming off them had side effects. Whilst fresh air and exercise can help (it certainly makes me feel better) i wouldn’t presume to tell everyone that it will work for them. Depression comes in many different guises and there isn’t a one size fits all treatment. This is why it takes so many re visits to a Dr/Counsellor to get your treatment/medication right. Medication is not right for everyone. And i certainly wouldn’t class anti-depressants as the cure all, happy pill. Because they’re not." Absolutely. There is no "one size fits all" for depression. Those of you suggesting diet and exercise only as a magic wand are misguided at best and dangerous at worst. A run round the block won't "fix" someone trying to process an abusive childhood. A nice salad won't sort out someone feeling suicidal due to work, relationship or money worries. Meds can be short or long term and should be conside_ed as part of the bigger picture. Dismissing them by people who (probably) have no experience of true depression is one step away from saying "pull yourself together"...patronising and naive. | |||
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"Most Dr’s will get you to try CBT or Counselling before prescribing medication (although not sure they do this if you have suicidal thoughts). The issue is the long waiting lists (in my area at least) for these. Medication never made me feel better, it just cushioned the symptoms i had and made it easier to get through the day and essentially look after my children. It also made me feel numb and coming off them had side effects. Whilst fresh air and exercise can help (it certainly makes me feel better) i wouldn’t presume to tell everyone that it will work for them. Depression comes in many different guises and there isn’t a one size fits all treatment. This is why it takes so many re visits to a Dr/Counsellor to get your treatment/medication right. Medication is not right for everyone. And i certainly wouldn’t class anti-depressants as the cure all, happy pill. Because they’re not. Absolutely. There is no "one size fits all" for depression. Those of you suggesting diet and exercise only as a magic wand are misguided at best and dangerous at worst. A run round the block won't "fix" someone trying to process an abusive childhood. A nice salad won't sort out someone feeling suicidal due to work, relationship or money worries. Meds can be short or long term and should be conside_ed as part of the bigger picture. Dismissing them by people who (probably) have no experience of true depression is one step away from saying "pull yourself together"...patronising and naive. " This is the best and most helpful post I have ever read | |||
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"I was having a chat with my colleague the other day. She believes that most of us should be taking anti depressants. She thinks modern life with it's declining socialisation, media exposure and focus on image, fame and financial worth is putting pressure on us all. Often depression is about the physical symptoms like lack of sleep or stress related conditions like IBS so while many admit to these they don't realise they are actually depressed. What do you think? Would we happier as a whole if more of us were medicated?" Americans are heavily medicated are they the happiest on earth 
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"Most Dr’s will get you to try CBT or Counselling before prescribing medication (although not sure they do this if you have suicidal thoughts). The issue is the long waiting lists (in my area at least) for these. Medication never made me feel better, it just cushioned the symptoms i had and made it easier to get through the day and essentially look after my children. It also made me feel numb and coming off them had side effects. Whilst fresh air and exercise can help (it certainly makes me feel better) i wouldn’t presume to tell everyone that it will work for them. Depression comes in many different guises and there isn’t a one size fits all treatment. This is why it takes so many re visits to a Dr/Counsellor to get your treatment/medication right. Medication is not right for everyone. And i certainly wouldn’t class anti-depressants as the cure all, happy pill. Because they’re not. Absolutely. There is no "one size fits all" for depression. Those of you suggesting diet and exercise only as a magic wand are misguided at best and dangerous at worst. A run round the block won't "fix" someone trying to process an abusive childhood. A nice salad won't sort out someone feeling suicidal due to work, relationship or money worries. Meds can be short or long term and should be conside_ed as part of the bigger picture. Dismissing them by people who (probably) have no experience of true depression is one step away from saying "pull yourself together"...patronising and naive. " Very well said | |||
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"Most Dr’s will get you to try CBT or Counselling before prescribing medication (although not sure they do this if you have suicidal thoughts). The issue is the long waiting lists (in my area at least) for these. Medication never made me feel better, it just cushioned the symptoms i had and made it easier to get through the day and essentially look after my children. It also made me feel numb and coming off them had side effects. Whilst fresh air and exercise can help (it certainly makes me feel better) i wouldn’t presume to tell everyone that it will work for them. Depression comes in many different guises and there isn’t a one size fits all treatment. This is why it takes so many re visits to a Dr/Counsellor to get your treatment/medication right. Medication is not right for everyone. And i certainly wouldn’t class anti-depressants as the cure all, happy pill. Because they’re not. Absolutely. There is no "one size fits all" for depression. Those of you suggesting diet and exercise only as a magic wand are misguided at best and dangerous at worst. A run round the block won't "fix" someone trying to process an abusive childhood. A nice salad won't sort out someone feeling suicidal due to work, relationship or money worries. Meds can be short or long term and should be conside_ed as part of the bigger picture. Dismissing them by people who (probably) have no experience of true depression is one step away from saying "pull yourself together"...patronising and naive. " That's what I thought,it sounded too simple. | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. " | |||
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"I think there are a lot of people who don’t know what true depression feels like. I didn’t realise people were actually blinke_ed enough to think a 30 minute jog a day gets rid of it. " I am glad that a lot of people don't know what it feels like, kind of proves that not everyone needs antidepressants as per the OP's question. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but maybe they could try being a bit more sympathetic. Or maybe their very insensitivity is why they have never had it? Something to ponder on, maybe? | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. " This 100% | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. This 100%" Well i will counter this and say diet and exercise saved my life. It cu_ed my depression. I made some stupid decisions when i was younger and lost a lot of money which then lost me my marrage and my home. For months i didnt get out of bed, contemplated suicide many times. Talked to dictor who prescribed me some anti depressants..i was at my lowest ever in life. Never took a single pill of them, mate dragged me back into gym the day after. Got a feel for it again...started eating healthy foods and kept at it...slowly but surely the thoughts of suicide went away and within few weeks i was almost back to myself. Long time ago but i know what depression is and i know what made it better for me and it wasnt pills | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. This 100% Well i will counter this and say diet and exercise saved my life. It cu_ed my depression. I made some stupid decisions when i was younger and lost a lot of money which then lost me my marrage and my home. For months i didnt get out of bed, contemplated suicide many times. Talked to dictor who prescribed me some anti depressants..i was at my lowest ever in life. Never took a single pill of them, mate dragged me back into gym the day after. Got a feel for it again...started eating healthy foods and kept at it...slowly but surely the thoughts of suicide went away and within few weeks i was almost back to myself. Long time ago but i know what depression is and i know what made it better for me and it wasnt pills" Not wanting to belittle your experience at all, but do you think this was reactive depression? When I had a bad break up, I got through it via going to the gym. It was amazing and really helped. However, in those early depression years, I felt hopeless for no reason at all. I was just very sad all the time. There was no reason for me to feel like this, I just did. Even going to exercise or being with friends didn’t help me. | |||
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"I think there are a lot of people who don’t know what true depression feels like. I didn’t realise people were actually blinke_ed enough to think a 30 minute jog a day gets rid of it. I am glad that a lot of people don't know what it feels like, kind of proves that not everyone needs antidepressants as per the OP's question. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but maybe they could try being a bit more sympathetic. Or maybe their very insensitivity is why they have never had it? Something to ponder on, maybe?" I can see that people would think that, but personally, I don’t think it has anything to do with being a sensitive person. I think it’s like any other illness/disease, there’s an imbalance in your brain and how things are processed. | |||
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"I was having a chat with my colleague the other day. She believes that most of us should be taking anti depressants. She thinks modern life with it's declining socialisation, media exposure and focus on image, fame and financial worth is putting pressure on us all. Often depression is about the physical symptoms like lack of sleep or stress related conditions like IBS so while many admit to these they don't realise they are actually depressed. What do you think? Would we happier as a whole if more of us were medicated?" I think people look back to a mythical golden age where everyone was happy. Five year olds cleaning chimneys were cheerful cockney sparrows, women pregnant for the eighth time living in tiny accommodation cheerfully accepted their lot. The majority of humans live in conditions that are far from their ideal. Some are miserable, some aren't, some suffer genuinely from depression and need medication most don't. I wonder if your friend feels so low that she projects her feelings about modern life on to everyone. | |||
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"And i don’t watch the news either. I get my news from the radio as it’s condensed and to the point and less doomy" More smiles needed, and I smile every time I see your profile name  | |||
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"Your friend is a pharmaceutical wet dream. How they would love to have everyone on medication. Best cure for depression...keep active, eat healthy, 30 mins of exercise a day. "I could have just agreed with this. For serious stuff there's no quick fix, but someone doing at least what they can do is a start I guess? | |||
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"Most Dr’s will get you to try CBT or Counselling before prescribing medication (although not sure they do this if you have suicidal thoughts). The issue is the long waiting lists (in my area at least) for these. Medication never made me feel better, it just cushioned the symptoms i had and made it easier to get through the day and essentially look after my children. It also made me feel numb and coming off them had side effects. Whilst fresh air and exercise can help (it certainly makes me feel better) i wouldn’t presume to tell everyone that it will work for them. Depression comes in many different guises and there isn’t a one size fits all treatment. This is why it takes so many re visits to a Dr/Counsellor to get your treatment/medication right. Medication is not right for everyone. And i certainly wouldn’t class anti-depressants as the cure all, happy pill. Because they’re not. Absolutely. There is no "one size fits all" for depression. Those of you suggesting diet and exercise only as a magic wand are misguided at best and dangerous at worst. A run round the block won't "fix" someone trying to process an abusive childhood. A nice salad won't sort out someone feeling suicidal due to work, relationship or money worries. Meds can be short or long term and should be conside_ed as part of the bigger picture. Dismissing them by people who (probably) have no experience of true depression is one step away from saying "pull yourself together"...patronising and naive. " | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. " This. Anti-depressants, seeing a psychiatrist and group and one to one therapy stopped me from killing myself. I suffe_ed from depression, anxiety and an eating disorder. At my lowest point, I struggled to get out of bed. I couldn’t have gone to the gym even if I wanted too. I was working as a health professional in psychiatry (ironically enough) at the time, and was off sick for 18 months. Had to leave my job as I wasn’t fit to go back even after that time. It was a long, slow, process to recover and without medication I know I wouldn’t be here today. Diet, and exercise would not have been enough. I wish it was. I’m on medication again at the moment, I know it works for me. | |||
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"I was having a chat with my colleague the other day. She believes that most of us should be taking anti depressants. She thinks modern life with it's declining socialisation, media exposure and focus on image, fame and financial worth is putting pressure on us all. Often depression is about the physical symptoms like lack of sleep or stress related conditions like IBS so while many admit to these they don't realise they are actually depressed. What do you think? Would we happier as a whole if more of us were medicated?" im happy without medication but that does not mean i dont have problems or get down from time to time, maybe im one of the lucky ones who can deal with things better than some? but im 1000% behind more education and information being available for people that suffer from depression, its not nearly talked about enough!! | |||
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"I suffer with depression however I refuse to medicate I feel the do nothing,they don't take the problem away they just mask it." brilliant. very brave of you to speak openly about your illness. a very brave lady xx | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. " It’s spotting the warning signs and putting preventive measures in place, I wouldn’t suggest for a minute going for a run while you’re in the midst of a depressive episode would help. | |||
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"I think OP is depressed "If I was it would be my choice whether to share that or not. Having someone point it out on a public forum wouldn't really help my situation nor make that person appear to have any understanding nor empathy for a very serious issue. | |||
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"I think OP is depressed
If I was it would be my choice whether to share that or not.
Having someone point it out on a public forum wouldn't really help my situation nor make that person appear to have any understanding nor empathy for a very serious issue. "Talking about it helps | |||
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"I think the problem with depression is that its all too easily (mis)'diagnosed'. Drs are too quick to fob people off with antidepressants when talking therapys and perhaps encouragement to exercise a little more would work just as well. This in turn leaves those with real mental health problems lumped with them under this broad umberella of of depression " This. Saying anti-depressants are over prescribed is not that same as saying nobody needs them. The people in the over prescribed category would benefit more from diet and exercise, because they are not clinicaly depressed. People with a chemical imbalance do need them. The statement from the OPs friend is idiotic because it implies most people have a chemical imbalance. | |||
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"No to medication. As someone mentioned its a sticky plaster. Exersise (walking is good) and diet. Having someone to talk too (not easy for some, granted) Anything but medication really." I wouldn’t think medication was necessarily right for everyone, but it definitely forms a legitimate part of treatment for many people. Exercise and diet alone certainly aren’t a cure for depression or related mental illness. Medication can absolutely help with depression as they provide crucial chemicals such as seratonin which sufferers may not be producing enough of naturally. | |||
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"I was having a chat with my colleague the other day. She believes that most of us should be taking anti depressants. She thinks modern life with it's declining socialisation, media exposure and focus on image, fame and financial worth is putting pressure on us all. Often depression is about the physical symptoms like lack of sleep or stress related conditions like IBS so while many admit to these they don't realise they are actually depressed. What do you think? Would we happier as a whole if more of us were medicated?" Anti-depressants help the symptoms to give you time to fix the causes. If you have lack of sleep, poor diet, stress from work, lack of exercise then you need to fix those things. Do not prescribe people a quick fix before they have even been diagnosed. I have experience of depression for ten years and very little assistance from anti-depressants. I have also voluntee_ed for a mental health charity for five years and am a trained counsellor. | |||
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"Your friend is a pharmaceutical wet dream. How they would love to have everyone on medication. Best cure for depression...keep active, eat healthy, 30 mins of exercise a day. "Pretty standard comment from someone who has never been at the lowest they can possibly be and conside_ed taking their own life. If you had you wouldn't make such a blanket statement. If I hadn't sought help in the form of counselling and medication I wouldn't be here now Through all of this I continued with keeping active, going to the gym and eating well, while it dies help it is not a cure or a solid preventative measure. | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. " Excellent post...
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"Your friend is a pharmaceutical wet dream. How they would love to have everyone on medication. Best cure for depression...keep active, eat healthy, 30 mins of exercise a day. "My depression is caused by a chemical inbalance in my brain so no amount of keeping active and eating well will cure that. I need the chemical inbalance fixed by medication. | |||
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"Depression can be a very destructive illness that affects everyone, not just the sufferer. Medication is an important part of coping along with mindfulness, exercise and often a complete change in your life. No-one wants to take tablets forever but without them the illness can take hold and it really isn't pretty. Peach x" | |||
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"But for those of us with a serotonin deficiency then medication is the only way to go... It’s not, there are other options. Light for example. It is, and as a former mental health worker i do know all the advice and tips and have followed them over the years without success. Some people need them or they would simply not be able to function. You wouldnt tell a person with a thyroxin deficiency to try other methods, so why a person with depression? If other methods have worked for you then im happy for you and almost envious, but not everyone has the same results" | |||
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"Most Dr’s will get you to try CBT or Counselling before prescribing medication (although not sure they do this if you have suicidal thoughts). The issue is the long waiting lists (in my area at least) for these. Medication never made me feel better, it just cushioned the symptoms i had and made it easier to get through the day and essentially look after my children. It also made me feel numb and coming off them had side effects. Whilst fresh air and exercise can help (it certainly makes me feel better) i wouldn’t presume to tell everyone that it will work for them. Depression comes in many different guises and there isn’t a one size fits all treatment. This is why it takes so many re visits to a Dr/Counsellor to get your treatment/medication right. Medication is not right for everyone. And i certainly wouldn’t class anti-depressants as the cure all, happy pill. Because they’re not. Absolutely. There is no "one size fits all" for depression. Those of you suggesting diet and exercise only as a magic wand are misguided at best and dangerous at worst. A run round the block won't "fix" someone trying to process an abusive childhood. A nice salad won't sort out someone feeling suicidal due to work, relationship or money worries. Meds can be short or long term and should be conside_ed as part of the bigger picture. Dismissing them by people who (probably) have no experience of true depression is one step away from saying "pull yourself together"...patronising and naive. " | |||
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"I think OP is depressed
If I was it would be my choice whether to share that or not.
Having someone point it out on a public forum wouldn't really help my situation nor make that person appear to have any understanding nor empathy for a very serious issue.
Talking about it helps "Trolling about it doesn’t | |||
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"I think OP is depressed
If I was it would be my choice whether to share that or not.
Having someone point it out on a public forum wouldn't really help my situation nor make that person appear to have any understanding nor empathy for a very serious issue.
Talking about it helps
Trolling about it doesn’t "Trolling is a myth, it’s described to point out the comments you don’t like | |||
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"I think OP is depressed
If I was it would be my choice whether to share that or not.
Having someone point it out on a public forum wouldn't really help my situation nor make that person appear to have any understanding nor empathy for a very serious issue.
Talking about it helps
Trolling about it doesn’t
Trolling is a myth, it’s described to point out the comments you don’t like "That sounds like something you saw a troll once say.  | |||
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"I think OP is depressed
If I was it would be my choice whether to share that or not.
Having someone point it out on a public forum wouldn't really help my situation nor make that person appear to have any understanding nor empathy for a very serious issue.
Talking about it helps
Trolling about it doesn’t
Trolling is a myth, it’s described to point out the comments you don’t like
That sounds like something you saw a troll once say. "It was said on ITV in different words | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. It’s spotting the warning signs and putting preventive measures in place, I wouldn’t suggest for a minute going for a run while you’re in the midst of a depressive episode would help. " So what are some of these warning signs and preventive measures? Seeing as clinical depression doesn’t usually have a root cause, but is often a deep dark sadness for no reason at all other than a chemical imbalance, how would you go about preventing that? | |||
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"Your friend is a pharmaceutical wet dream. How they would love to have everyone on medication. Best cure for depression...keep active, eat healthy, 30 mins of exercise a day.
I think a lot of people are too quick to turn to medication for too many things. Some genuinely do need medication I'm not belittling them. But I think it's worrying that people think the way the op's colleague does. I hope this person isn't a gp "I agree! But think lazy/overworked/money hungry GPs are part of the problem. Take the US as an example. But yeah: with our less holistic times we are all led to believe that human ingenuity will provide us with something NOW and receive a cure for what ails us. Whether that be in the form of instant gratification via clothes, gambling, fast food, medication,sex.. Or 'cures' for illnesses/health and the like with pills, gyms, diets, blah blah blah. Happy consumer syndrome. | |||
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"I think OP is depressed
If I was it would be my choice whether to share that or not.
Having someone point it out on a public forum wouldn't really help my situation nor make that person appear to have any understanding nor empathy for a very serious issue.
Talking about it helps
Trolling about it doesn’t
Trolling is a myth, it’s described to point out the comments you don’t like "You’ve out done yourself with this comment, well done. | |||
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"I think OP is depressed
If I was it would be my choice whether to share that or not.
Having someone point it out on a public forum wouldn't really help my situation nor make that person appear to have any understanding nor empathy for a very serious issue.
Talking about it helps
Trolling about it doesn’t
Trolling is a myth, it’s described to point out the comments you don’t like
You’ve out done yourself with this comment, well done."I was wondering, why haven’t you landed yet | |||
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"I think OP is depressed
If I was it would be my choice whether to share that or not.
Having someone point it out on a public forum wouldn't really help my situation nor make that person appear to have any understanding nor empathy for a very serious issue.
Talking about it helps
Trolling about it doesn’t
Trolling is a myth, it’s described to point out the comments you don’t like
You’ve out done yourself with this comment, well done.
I was wondering, why haven’t you landed yet "Huh ?! | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. It’s spotting the warning signs and putting preventive measures in place, I wouldn’t suggest for a minute going for a run while you’re in the midst of a depressive episode would help. So what are some of these warning signs and preventive measures? Seeing as clinical depression doesn’t usually have a root cause, but is often a deep dark sadness for no reason at all other than a chemical imbalance, how would you go about preventing that?" I’ll give you a full answer later, I’m just concreting a floor, in the mean time try google. | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. It’s spotting the warning signs and putting preventive measures in place, I wouldn’t suggest for a minute going for a run while you’re in the midst of a depressive episode would help. So what are some of these warning signs and preventive measures? Seeing as clinical depression doesn’t usually have a root cause, but is often a deep dark sadness for no reason at all other than a chemical imbalance, how would you go about preventing that? I’ll give you a full answer later, I’m just concreting a floor, in the mean time try google. " Concrete your cock in the floor | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. It’s spotting the warning signs and putting preventive measures in place, I wouldn’t suggest for a minute going for a run while you’re in the midst of a depressive episode would help. So what are some of these warning signs and preventive measures? Seeing as clinical depression doesn’t usually have a root cause, but is often a deep dark sadness for no reason at all other than a chemical imbalance, how would you go about preventing that? I’ll give you a full answer later, I’m just concreting a floor, in the mean time try google. Concrete your cock in the floor "I’m trying but I have a micro penis and it won’t reach. | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. It’s spotting the warning signs and putting preventive measures in place, I wouldn’t suggest for a minute going for a run while you’re in the midst of a depressive episode would help. So what are some of these warning signs and preventive measures? Seeing as clinical depression doesn’t usually have a root cause, but is often a deep dark sadness for no reason at all other than a chemical imbalance, how would you go about preventing that? I’ll give you a full answer later, I’m just concreting a floor, in the mean time try google. " Thanks. I have known people with depression, so it’s grest to hear that it can easily be prevented! | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. It’s spotting the warning signs and putting preventive measures in place, I wouldn’t suggest for a minute going for a run while you’re in the midst of a depressive episode would help. So what are some of these warning signs and preventive measures? Seeing as clinical depression doesn’t usually have a root cause, but is often a deep dark sadness for no reason at all other than a chemical imbalance, how would you go about preventing that? I’ll give you a full answer later, I’m just concreting a floor, in the mean time try google. Thanks. I have known people with depression, so it’s grest to hear that it can easily be prevented! " Where did I say it can be easily prevented, But there are triggers and there are situations you can take yourself away from and get help. I’m talking from experience, count yourself you only know people who have got it. | |||
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"OK, so I Googled ‘preventing depression’, and learned that most experts are agreed that depression can’t be prevented. Are you confusing someone being a bit down about something, with medically diagnosed clinical depression maybe?" No, I’m not. I know what the difference. | |||
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"easier said than done but as already mentioned ,you are what you eat , so eat healthy , go for a fast walk ,breathe in through the nose filling the lungs out through the mouth , youll not only feel better the pounds will fall off you too. one of the worst culprits is lack of sleep , to many just accept and use "ive got insomnia " as an excuse but do nothing about it . firstly surfing the net on you pc or phone needs to stop 6/7pm ish, wound down and prepare for bed , relax , take a hot bath , your brains a computer , it needs to shut down for sleep ,......... i dont think tablets are actually neccesary , some countries probably not even access to such tablets but not all walking around depressed, a lot of it is in the mind for a lot of people ,bit drama queeny even , but most of all dont do anything to improve, help or fix it .. tablets are no good for liver kidneys etc etc etc , i never take them, my body repairs itself , and my mind . "Lucky you ! | |||
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" Where did I say it can be easily prevented, But there are triggers and there are situations you can take yourself away from and get help. I’m talking from experience, count yourself you only know people who have got it. " OK, so drop the ‘easily’. Most experts are agreed that depression can not be prevented. Some factors may help, but they cannot prevent. | |||
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"It is unbelievably insensitive and offensive to suggest to sufferers of depression that it is just in their mind, and they are just being a drama queen!" Well said
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"Op. Would you take that advice yourself, choosing the meds’ as your first and recommended option? Or try a lifestyle or many lifestyle changes first? Personally I think her statement was a sweeping generalisation but I can kinda see where she is coming from in that our lifestyles have changed so much while our brains and basic needs haven't so as a society we are "missing" certain factors we used to get from the much more social communities we were. We have a lot more stress in these times than we had before whether we see it or not. On a personal level I wouldn't take medication as a first option no. " As a society we only experience what we know , so the assumption that society and lifestyles were different is not really the case is it ? Our brains and needs reflect what we are conditioned to require according to our experiences . A simple pill doesn’t exist to suddenly put everything right that we feel isn’t . Of course there are times some people will benefit from anti depressants , but to put everyone on them is a ridiculous notion . | |||
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"Op. Would you take that advice yourself, choosing the meds’ as your first and recommended option? Or try a lifestyle or many lifestyle changes first? Personally I think her statement was a sweeping generalisation but I can kinda see where she is coming from in that our lifestyles have changed so much while our brains and basic needs haven't so as a society we are "missing" certain factors we used to get from the much more social communities we were. We have a lot more stress in these times than we had before whether we see it or not. On a personal level I wouldn't take medication as a first option no. As a society we only experience what we know , so the assumption that society and lifestyles were different is not really the case is it ? Our brains and needs reflect what we are conditioned to require according to our experiences . A simple pill doesn’t exist to suddenly put everything right that we feel isn’t . Of course there are times some people will benefit from anti depressants , but to put everyone on them is a ridiculous notion ." So you don't think we have in built needs for social contact that aren't being met in our modern life? What about the goals we set nowadays? The media presents us with mostly unachieveable targets of wealth, beauty etc whilst telling us we can do it if we try hard. | |||
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"easier said than done but as already mentioned ,you are what you eat , so eat healthy , go for a fast walk ,breathe in through the nose filling the lungs out through the mouth , youll not only feel better the pounds will fall off you too. one of the worst culprits is lack of sleep , to many just accept and use "ive got insomnia " as an excuse but do nothing about it . firstly surfing the net on you pc or phone needs to stop 6/7pm ish, wound down and prepare for bed , relax , take a hot bath , your brains a computer , it needs to shut down for sleep ,......... i dont think tablets are actually neccesary , some countries probably not even access to such tablets but not all walking around depressed, a lot of it is in the mind for a lot of people ,bit drama queeny even , but most of all dont do anything to improve, help or fix it .. tablets are no good for liver kidneys etc etc etc , i never take them, my body repairs itself , and my mind . "So do you think any of what you just said would help with preventing depression given the circumstances below You've lost your job Fell behind on mortgage payments Your mother dies out of the blue You catch one of your children trying to commit suicide and they then get sectioned I'm sorry but what you've said is again the opinion of someone who has never suffe_ed real depression. | |||
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"Op. Would you take that advice yourself, choosing the meds’ as your first and recommended option? Or try a lifestyle or many lifestyle changes first? Personally I think her statement was a sweeping generalisation but I can kinda see where she is coming from in that our lifestyles have changed so much while our brains and basic needs haven't so as a society we are "missing" certain factors we used to get from the much more social communities we were. We have a lot more stress in these times than we had before whether we see it or not. On a personal level I wouldn't take medication as a first option no. As a society we only experience what we know , so the assumption that society and lifestyles were different is not really the case is it ? Our brains and needs reflect what we are conditioned to require according to our experiences . A simple pill doesn’t exist to suddenly put everything right that we feel isn’t . Of course there are times some people will benefit from anti depressants , but to put everyone on them is a ridiculous notion . So you don't think we have in built needs for social contact that aren't being met in our modern life? What about the goals we set nowadays? The media presents us with mostly unachieveable targets of wealth, beauty etc whilst telling us we can do it if we try hard. " I think the goals we set ourselves today are no different to the goals set in previous generations . It could be argued that as a society we are way more accepting of all minorities than previous generations , way less prejudiced , and a lot more willing to open up through all manner of social media . I guess one may say it was a lot easier in the past as there was less to think about , but was there ? Those who lived in the past wouldn’t have said so , and that’s my point . | |||
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"Op. Would you take that advice yourself, choosing the meds’ as your first and recommended option? Or try a lifestyle or many lifestyle changes first? Personally I think her statement was a sweeping generalisation but I can kinda see where she is coming from in that our lifestyles have changed so much while our brains and basic needs haven't so as a society we are "missing" certain factors we used to get from the much more social communities we were. We have a lot more stress in these times than we had before whether we see it or not. On a personal level I wouldn't take medication as a first option no. As a society we only experience what we know , so the assumption that society and lifestyles were different is not really the case is it ? Our brains and needs reflect what we are conditioned to require according to our experiences . A simple pill doesn’t exist to suddenly put everything right that we feel isn’t . Of course there are times some people will benefit from anti depressants , but to put everyone on them is a ridiculous notion . So you don't think we have in built needs for social contact that aren't being met in our modern life? What about the goals we set nowadays? The media presents us with mostly unachieveable targets of wealth, beauty etc whilst telling us we can do it if we try hard. I think the goals we set ourselves today are no different to the goals set in previous generations . It could be argued that as a society we are way more accepting of all minorities than previous generations , way less prejudiced , and a lot more willing to open up through all manner of social media . I guess one may say it was a lot easier in the past as there was less to think about , but was there ? Those who lived in the past wouldn’t have said so , and that’s my point . " Yeah I see. The time you live in is the time you deal with, the issues may be different but are still issues. | |||
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"easier said than done but as already mentioned ,you are what you eat , so eat healthy , go for a fast walk ,breathe in through the nose filling the lungs out through the mouth , youll not only feel better the pounds will fall off you too. one of the worst culprits is lack of sleep , to many just accept and use "ive got insomnia " as an excuse but do nothing about it . firstly surfing the net on you pc or phone needs to stop 6/7pm ish, wound down and prepare for bed , relax , take a hot bath , your brains a computer , it needs to shut down for sleep ,......... i dont think tablets are actually neccesary , some countries probably not even access to such tablets but not all walking around depressed, a lot of it is in the mind for a lot of people ,bit drama queeny even , but most of all dont do anything to improve, help or fix it .. tablets are no good for liver kidneys etc etc etc , i never take them, my body repairs itself , and my mind . "there has been lots of mental health threads over the years. Non have turned out negative. But you. Your attitude stinks and belongs in the dark ages. Why not take a walk into a psyciatric hospital full of very ill people. Then tell them its in their mind and they are being drama queens | |||
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"I love it when this topic comes up, and the armchair experts come out. They know better than the doctors, of course. If you're in a malais because life isn't the bowl of cherries you thought it would be, diet and exercise probably will help. Medication probably isn't the answer. (It's worth saying, though, that there is a widespread problem, and modern life is a factor.) But if you're struggling to breathe with the terrror of facing a family gathering with happy, loving relatives; if you can't find the courage to go for a shower and pull on clean clothes; if you can't think straight until you've researched how you're going to kill yourself, created an Amazon wishlist with the equipment you need, and decided on the day you're going to do it; if those things are happening to you, there's no chance that a salad and a jog will help one iota. The difficulty is this; as my doctor described it, for my depression, it was not caused by any particular event, there's just something wrong with my brain. It may be serotonin deficiency, but I'd recommend reading Matt Haig's 'How to Survive' for an insight into how little we know about serotonin levels. So it might not be serotonin. It might be faulty wiring. I needed medication (and it took a couple of attempts to find one that worked for me) to allow me to function sufficiently well to allow therapy to work. The doctor was clear that medication was just a stop-gap, a means to allow the therapy to work, and the therapy was the real 'fix'. 'Happy pills' is the least accurate description you can find for antidepressants. But, I didn't need to feel happy (yet). Getting by without crippling anxiety was enough. (I don't use 'crippling' lightly. At times I was rende_ed incapable of physical function because of fear of facing my own friends or, more commonly for me, remembering embarrassing moments in life. It's not a normal thing to genuinely believe, with every fibre of your being, that killing yourself now is a reasonable response to that time in 2004 that you told a joke that killed the conversation.) The releif of being able to function makes just staying that way a real tempation. The fear of challenging your condition, and facing therppy, is terrifying. What if bring all that back to the surface is too much to bear? I got lucky. My GP and pharmacist acted on every 6 month review, sending me prompts to go back and discuss next steps. I also took my own steps, seeking assistance through the AXA PPP Employee Assistance Programme. However, it's really easy to see why people fall through the cracks and are left on medication for a long time. GPs and pharmacists are massively overworked. The waiting lists for CBT are long; I could't speak to my CBT therapist, which is a bit of a barrier to progress, and I didn't go back. She was the only option for me on the NHS, which is why I found another route. There are also people who simply will need permanent medication. If it is a serotonin deficiency, and you just have, as my GP put it, a leaky bucket that needs toped up, some people's buckets are so leaky that we have to leave the tap on. Diet and exercise are great for general happiness. But if you have depression (as opposed to just feeling a bit down) then things need to be fixed before diet and exercise have a hope in hell of making you feel good." Well said | |||
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"easier said than done but as already mentioned ,you are what you eat , so eat healthy , go for a fast walk ,breathe in through the nose filling the lungs out through the mouth , youll not only feel better the pounds will fall off you too. one of the worst culprits is lack of sleep , to many just accept and use "ive got insomnia " as an excuse but do nothing about it . firstly surfing the net on you pc or phone needs to stop 6/7pm ish, wound down and prepare for bed , relax , take a hot bath , your brains a computer , it needs to shut down for sleep ,......... i dont think tablets are actually neccesary , some countries probably not even access to such tablets but not all walking around depressed, a lot of it is in the mind for a lot of people ,bit drama queeny even , but most of all dont do anything to improve, help or fix it .. tablets are no good for liver kidneys etc etc etc , i never take them, my body repairs itself , and my mind . there has been lots of mental health threads over the years. Non have turned out negative. But you. Your attitude stinks and belongs in the dark ages. Why not take a walk into a psyciatric hospital full of very ill people. Then tell them its in their mind and they are being drama queens" | |||
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"I was having a chat with my colleague the other day. She believes that most of us should be taking anti depressants. She thinks modern life with it's declining socialisation, media exposure and focus on image, fame and financial worth is putting pressure on us all. Often depression is about the physical symptoms like lack of sleep or stress related conditions like IBS so while many admit to these they don't realise they are actually depressed. What do you think? Would we happier as a whole if more of us were medicated?" Yuup, that's all we need, more Zombies! Let's all get medicated, making the drug manufacturers filthy rich, the Drs. nothing but pill pushers and society, a bunch of mindless Zombies. Welcome to Zombie land!! | |||
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"I was having a chat with my colleague the other day. She believes that most of us should be taking anti depressants. She thinks modern life with it's declining socialisation, media exposure and focus on image, fame and financial worth is putting pressure on us all. Often depression is about the physical symptoms like lack of sleep or stress related conditions like IBS so while many admit to these they don't realise they are actually depressed. What do you think? Would we happier as a whole if more of us were medicated? Yuup, that's all we need, more Zombies! Let's all get medicated, making the drug manufacturers filthy rich, the Drs. nothing but pill pushers and society, a bunch of mindless Zombies. Welcome to Zombie land!!" Would you say the same to someone who is diabetic or someone in extreme pain following a big, painful operation ? | |||
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"I was having a chat with my colleague the other day. She believes that most of us should be taking anti depressants. She thinks modern life with it's declining socialisation, media exposure and focus on image, fame and financial worth is putting pressure on us all. Often depression is about the physical symptoms like lack of sleep or stress related conditions like IBS so while many admit to these they don't realise they are actually depressed. What do you think? Would we happier as a whole if more of us were medicated?" No! Change of lifestyle is what is needed. Not medication. Medication masks, it doesn't cure. | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. This. Anti-depressants, seeing a psychiatrist and group and one to one therapy stopped me from killing myself. I suffe_ed from depression, anxiety and an eating disorder. At my lowest point, I struggled to get out of bed. I couldn’t have gone to the gym even if I wanted too. I was working as a health professional in psychiatry (ironically enough) at the time, and was off sick for 18 months. Had to leave my job as I wasn’t fit to go back even after that time. It was a long, slow, process to recover and without medication I know I wouldn’t be here today. Diet, and exercise would not have been enough. I wish it was. I’m on medication again at the moment, I know it works for me. " | |||
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"I was having a chat with my colleague the other day. She believes that most of us should be taking anti depressants. She thinks modern life with it's declining socialisation, media exposure and focus on image, fame and financial worth is putting pressure on us all. Often depression is about the physical symptoms like lack of sleep or stress related conditions like IBS so while many admit to these they don't realise they are actually depressed. What do you think? Would we happier as a whole if more of us were medicated? No! Change of lifestyle is what is needed. Not medication. Medication masks, it doesn't cure." So all the conclusions drawn by peer reviewed medical research on the subject of clinical depression is wrong, and can, in fact, be sorted by simple changes in lifestyle? Sorry, but it takes a special kind of arrogance, ignorance, or combination of the two to believe that. | |||
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"easier said than done but as already mentioned ,you are what you eat , so eat healthy , go for a fast walk ,breathe in through the nose filling the lungs out through the mouth , youll not only feel better the pounds will fall off you too. one of the worst culprits is lack of sleep , to many just accept and use "ive got insomnia " as an excuse but do nothing about it . firstly surfing the net on you pc or phone needs to stop 6/7pm ish, wound down and prepare for bed , relax , take a hot bath , your brains a computer , it needs to shut down for sleep ,......... i dont think tablets are actually neccesary , some countries probably not even access to such tablets but not all walking around depressed, a lot of it is in the mind for a lot of people ,bit drama queeny even , but most of all dont do anything to improve, help or fix it .. tablets are no good for liver kidneys etc etc etc , i never take them, my body repairs itself , and my mind . "What an inciteful understanding pleasant chap you are. And how lucky for you that you have never had 1st hand experience with mental illness. I wonder could your method be applied to all illness? Hell we could be a world free of mental illness, diabetes, hypertension, organ failure... My god man you are the Mesiah  | |||
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"I think many people have no idea what depression actually is and what its like to have it. " Thank goodness. Just goes to show that many people don't actually need medication and that the op's colleague has a strange opinion on the subject. | |||
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"Im not sure I would be alive without medication. You cannot begin to understand the terror of schizophrenia. Claiming deep breaths, healthy eating and exercise would set me straight is not only stupid but insulting and downright offensive." | |||
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"Some of the attitudes expressed in this thread have made me angry. "All in the mind" "no drugs necessary" - absolute bullshit. Until a person has experienced mental illness or lived with someone who has, they have no clue and no right to pass (ill-informed, ignorant) opinions. " I'm sorry dude if that includes me. This thread must be talking about the really serious version, I know what that's like, and also know what it's like to not be understood. My GCSE and college years were the hardest time of my life (until now). The hard thing, if anyone knows you are suffering, is just to get the "it's just in your mind" treatment as though you just need to make an effort. And I think "if I really was that weak, as you say I am, I wouldn't have even made it past the first month." However its hard to tell on the outside sometimes as I also know from experience many people seem content to just be inert and be fed by someone else, treating them like sh1t the first time they don't get what they want. Also they tend to seem to think they're the only ones who feel "depressed, suicidal, this happened etc". I would say that as long as a struggling person is making the effort they can on their side, then I'm with them. Also I've never taken pills, I really don't believe in them unless a last resort. I would try and find natural ways and build myself up with good habits gradually. | |||
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"Also life is all about perception what i perceive as deprssing others may not" Depression isn’t really much to do about with being depressed about things though. I find a lot of this thread depressing. I find things like Trump, or Brexit depressing. I’m a little bit depressed when the shop on the corner has run out of blue M&Ms. But none of these things is the same as suffering from actual, medically diagnosed depression. | |||
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"I think antidepressants just mask problems. Deal with the cause of the depression first" This sounds like wise saying to me. | |||
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"Some of the attitudes expressed in this thread have made me angry. "All in the mind" "no drugs necessary" - absolute bullshit. Until a person has experienced mental illness or lived with someone who has, they have no clue and no right to pass (ill-informed, ignorant) opinions. " Woa get of your big high horse fella...I live with it every day and it takes its toll on me....sometimes just sometimes it's good to have a bit of light relief from it....feel free too mount that big fecking horse of yours | |||
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"I think antidepressants just mask problems. Deal with the cause of the depression first" And when there is no 'cause'? When lifes great, you've had no traumatic upbringing, never been bullied, no bad ex, you have a great partner, a nice home, drive nice cars, have healthy happy kids, a good job that you enjoy... everything is just perfect. But you are still crippled by depression and anxiety, you still have terrifying voices in your head telling you to kill yourself by any means possible. What then? | |||
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"Absolutely. There is no "one size fits all" for depression. Those of you suggesting diet and exercise only as a magic wand are misguided at best and dangerous at worst. A run round the block won't "fix" someone trying to process an abusive childhood. A nice salad won't sort out someone feeling suicidal due to work, relationship or money worries. Meds can be short or long term and should be conside_ed as part of the bigger picture. Dismissing them by people who (probably) have no experience of true depression is one step away from saying "pull yourself together"...patronising and naive. " I was bullied in school. If I genuinely thought going for a run or eating healthily would help me deal with that, I would have done it bloody years ago. I've been on meds before, they didn't work, they actually caused insomnia. I had one counselling session last year and got turned down by the therapist because according to her I didn't need it at the darkest time of my life. I've got ''friends'' who said to me recenetly ''it's time to put on my big boy pants and sort it out''. None of it helped. Honestly I don't know what works and I haven't really got any useful advice to give, but I use humour and writing to help me self-medicate. I crack jokes and act like an idiot. I just do what I've always done to help me get by. | |||
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"I think there are a lot of people who don’t know what true depression feels like. I didn’t realise people were actually blinke_ed enough to think a 30 minute jog a day gets rid of it. " Whenever someone says that going for a run clears their depression it's obvious the only thing they've experienced is sadness. True depression is like wearing concrete shoes. You can't move, you feel weighed down. The last thing you wanna do is go for a run, instead you wanna hide away and cry yourself to sleep. | |||
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"I think antidepressants just mask problems. Deal with the cause of the depression first" You really don’t understand, do you? The cause of my depression is that my brain physiologically doesn’t work the way it should. I need medication to even begin to deal with the resulting behaviours. Yes, I have learned and continue to learn how to deal with the thoughts that are generated by the fault with my brain, but that’s dealing with the symptoms, not the cause. I can’t think my broken brain away, any more than I can jog it away, salad it away, or dissolve it by breathing in through my fucking nose. | |||
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"I'd not be so arrogant as to assume that my personal experience is representative of everyone else, but for me the hallmark of depression was always the visceral self-loathing. When I suffe_ed in my early years I had a cushy life with nothing to complain about, and yet there I was, hosepipe in the exhaust, hand on the keys, bawling my eyes out peering over the edge. How many celebrities with their amazing lives and universal adoration top themselves? There is no fixed correlation between the state of your life and the state of your mind... Should medication be conside_ed the first line of defence? No to that also - whilst I empathise with the pressures doctors find themselves under to provide 'a solution' swiftly and then see the next patient, anti-depressants are by no means some panacea that can fix things. Personally I don't get on with them - but for some people they are entirely the right option and allow them to function on a daily basis and lead a relatively 'ordinary' life. However, I think that they should always be a fallback option after other (less invasive) possibilities - such as talking therapies - have been explo_ed." For me it was bullying all throughout secondary school and that brought about self-loathing too. I always question whether I'm good enough for something or someone, which in turn leads me to self-sabotage everything I have. I destroyed my relationship with my ex because I didn't believe I deserved her. And I think the reason I felt that was because I've never had a support system that told me I am worth something. I still don't. I guess I use this forum and Reddit to find that support system, to talk to people who are suffering like me, but it's not a viable substitute for real people who I know. Medication works for some people and it doesn't work for others. I personally believe that a good, caring support system of friends and family who don't patronise you and make you feel worse won't help you get rid of depression, but it will help you come to terms with it and fight it. It's not something you can fight alone, you need people who you can stand back-to-back with to help you push back the tide. | |||
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"Most Dr’s will get you to try CBT or Counselling before prescribing medication (although not sure they do this if you have suicidal thoughts). The issue is the long waiting lists (in my area at least) for these. Medication never made me feel better, it just cushioned the symptoms i had and made it easier to get through the day and essentially look after my children. It also made me feel numb and coming off them had side effects. Whilst fresh air and exercise can help (it certainly makes me feel better) i wouldn’t presume to tell everyone that it will work for them. Depression comes in many different guises and there isn’t a one size fits all treatment. This is why it takes so many re visits to a Dr/Counsellor to get your treatment/medication right. Medication is not right for everyone. And i certainly wouldn’t class anti-depressants as the cure all, happy pill. Because they’re not." | |||
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"My antidepressants stopped me killing myself. At my lowest, diet and exercise would have done jack shit, and to suggest depression is as easily cu_ed by going for a walk and getting some 'light' is fucking insulting to everyone who has suffe_ed with crippling depression and been at their lowest point. No. You cannot cure depression by simply going for a walk or changing your bloody diet. Anyone who suggests this garbage has clearly never suffe_ed with true depression. " Well said | |||
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"I think antidepressants just mask problems. Deal with the cause of the depression first You really don’t understand, do you? The cause of my depression is that my brain physiologically doesn’t work the way it should. I need medication to even begin to deal with the resulting behaviours. Yes, I have learned and continue to learn how to deal with the thoughts that are generated by the fault with my brain, but that’s dealing with the symptoms, not the cause. I can’t think my broken brain away, any more than I can jog it away, salad it away, or dissolve it by breathing in through my fucking nose." | |||
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"Also life is all about perception what i perceive as deprssing others may not" This confirms it. Please, I urge you, go away and read about depression. I promise you, it’s not what you think it is. | |||
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"I think antidepressants just mask problems. Deal with the cause of the depression first You really don’t understand, do you? The cause of my depression is that my brain physiologically doesn’t work the way it should. I need medication to even begin to deal with the resulting behaviours. Yes, I have learned and continue to learn how to deal with the thoughts that are generated by the fault with my brain, but that’s dealing with the symptoms, not the cause. I can’t think my broken brain away, any more than I can jog it away, salad it away, or dissolve it by breathing in through my fucking nose." May I ask a genuine question abt it ? | |||
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"May I ask a genuine question abt it ? " By all means. | |||
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"May I ask a genuine question abt it ? By all means." Please don't take as a personal attack. I wanted to ask you privately but as you blocked all men I have to do it here. You said thatit is in your brain, that you have a broken brain ? Please correct me if I have misinterpreted what you said. So my question is, have you always been depressed...even when you were very young or certain events has trigge_ed your depression ? There are extensive research about how they found biological evidence of depression but they also found that the environment plays a massive in role in depression and recovery process. | |||
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"I think antidepressants just mask problems. Deal with the cause of the depression first You really don’t understand, do you? The cause of my depression is that my brain physiologically doesn’t work the way it should. I need medication to even begin to deal with the resulting behaviours. Yes, I have learned and continue to learn how to deal with the thoughts that are generated by the fault with my brain, but that’s dealing with the symptoms, not the cause. I can’t think my broken brain away, any more than I can jog it away, salad it away, or dissolve it by breathing in through my fucking nose." I agree! ... These may be great methods for prevention! But they alone are not cures. | |||
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"I think antidepressants just mask problems. Deal with the cause of the depression first" The cause of my depression is a chemical imbalance in my brain. By taking medication i am dealing with the cause of the depression. Antidepressents arent madking the problem, they are dealing with it. | |||
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"I think antidepressants just mask problems. Deal with the cause of the depression first The cause of my depression is a chemical imbalance in my brain. By taking medication i am dealing with the cause of the depression. Antidepressents arent madking the problem, they are dealing with it. " *masking | |||
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"Please don't take as a personal attack. I wanted to ask you privately but as you blocked all men I have to do it here. You said thatit is in your brain, that you have a broken brain ? Please correct me if I have misinterpreted what you said. So my question is, have you always been depressed...even when you were very young or certain events has trigge_ed your depression ? There are extensive research about how they found biological evidence of depression but they also found that the environment plays a massive in role in depression and recovery process." That’s a great question. One that I may have difficulty answering, but I’ll try. I first became aware of the symptoms of my depression during puberty. At that time, I (And my parents) assumed it was just down to hormones. It never passed. The only thing that I can state with any confidence is that I have had depression and anxiety since I was about 14 or 15. I didn’t get help until I was 35. As to whether I had it before, I can’t be sure. Part of the problem is, given how long I’ve dealt with it, it can be hard to separate some of the symptoms from my personality. My personality and the illness are so heavily intertwined; I don’t know which bits of me would change if I could magic the illness away. So, there are parts of my pre-pubescent personality that could be attributed to symptoms of depression in a young child. Or it may be that the symptoms of the depression just latched onto the more obvious parts of my personality. I don’t know much about physiological changes in the brain during puberty, it might be that it developed then. My dad is a big influence on a lot of the symptoms, but I’m as sure as I can be that if it wasn’t him, it would be something else. He didn’t do anything which would have trigge_ed a sort of circumstance-reactive depression, he just had a parenting style which wasn’t helpful for a mental illness we didn’t know I had. I don’t know if any of that will make sense. Apologies if it doesn’t. | |||
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"Please don't take as a personal attack. I wanted to ask you privately but as you blocked all men I have to do it here. You said thatit is in your brain, that you have a broken brain ? Please correct me if I have misinterpreted what you said. So my question is, have you always been depressed...even when you were very young or certain events has trigge_ed your depression ? There are extensive research about how they found biological evidence of depression but they also found that the environment plays a massive in role in depression and recovery process. That’s a great question. One that I may have difficulty answering, but I’ll try. I first became aware of the symptoms of my depression during puberty. At that time, I (And my parents) assumed it was just down to hormones. It never passed. The only thing that I can state with any confidence is that I have had depression and anxiety since I was about 14 or 15. I didn’t get help until I was 35. As to whether I had it before, I can’t be sure. Part of the problem is, given how long I’ve dealt with it, it can be hard to separate some of the symptoms from my personality. My personality and the illness are so heavily intertwined; I don’t know which bits of me would change if I could magic the illness away. So, there are parts of my pre-pubescent personality that could be attributed to symptoms of depression in a young child. Or it may be that the symptoms of the depression just latched onto the more obvious parts of my personality. I don’t know much about physiological changes in the brain during puberty, it might be that it developed then. My dad is a big influence on a lot of the symptoms, but I’m as sure as I can be that if it wasn’t him, it would be something else. He didn’t do anything which would have trigge_ed a sort of circumstance-reactive depression, he just had a parenting style which wasn’t helpful for a mental illness we didn’t know I had. I don’t know if any of that will make sense. Apologies if it doesn’t." It actually does  thank you for your thorought reply. | |||
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"Please don't take as a personal attack. I wanted to ask you privately but as you blocked all men I have to do it here. You said thatit is in your brain, that you have a broken brain ? Please correct me if I have misinterpreted what you said. So my question is, have you always been depressed...even when you were very young or certain events has trigge_ed your depression ? There are extensive research about how they found biological evidence of depression but they also found that the environment plays a massive in role in depression and recovery process. That’s a great question. One that I may have difficulty answering, but I’ll try. I first became aware of the symptoms of my depression during puberty. At that time, I (And my parents) assumed it was just down to hormones. It never passed. The only thing that I can state with any confidence is that I have had depression and anxiety since I was about 14 or 15. I didn’t get help until I was 35. As to whether I had it before, I can’t be sure. Part of the problem is, given how long I’ve dealt with it, it can be hard to separate some of the symptoms from my personality. My personality and the illness are so heavily intertwined; I don’t know which bits of me would change if I could magic the illness away. So, there are parts of my pre-pubescent personality that could be attributed to symptoms of depression in a young child. Or it may be that the symptoms of the depression just latched onto the more obvious parts of my personality. I don’t know much about physiological changes in the brain during puberty, it might be that it developed then. My dad is a big influence on a lot of the symptoms, but I’m as sure as I can be that if it wasn’t him, it would be something else. He didn’t do anything which would have trigge_ed a sort of circumstance-reactive depression, he just had a parenting style which wasn’t helpful for a mental illness we didn’t know I had. I don’t know if any of that will make sense. Apologies if it doesn’t. It actually does thank you for your thorought reply. "I gotta go so I dont have to write a longer reply but will get back to you | |||
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"I think there are a lot of people who don’t know what true depression feels like. I didn’t realise people were actually blinke_ed enough to think a 30 minute jog a day gets rid of it. Whenever someone says that going for a run clears their depression it's obvious the only thing they've experienced is sadness. True depression is like wearing concrete shoes. You can't move, you feel weighed down. The last thing you wanna do is go for a run, instead you wanna hide away and cry yourself to sleep. " This. I think that advice DOES help, but only for lower level depression. For the serious kind, I know I've done all that crawling over broken glass to do what comes easy to others, and certainly had my share of "lazy" treatment because of it. This was the case in school/college and eventually I ended up believing it, the depths of worthlessness too much to comprehend. This time I'm too determined but still get overcome. This Monday I couldn't go into work. I really couldn't do it this time. I am an expert in digging deep, more than anyone who knows me knows, but knew inside myself 'not this time'. It's just been too heavy for too long, my reserves finished for good sometime last year. I know they will say I am weak and lazy etc but just have to accept it knowing how wrong they are. I'm currently smoking 5-10 cigs a day cos I find it helps, especially if I feel my mind is falling apart. Just helps get me through. This also gets the reaction "weak, excuses etc" but I don't drink, never done drugs of any kind, I maintain I'm not doing too badly for the worst time of my life. I exercise as much as I can, with the attitude if I can't do it all then I do what I can do, but honestly every time is gruellingly hard. I just do some shoulder presses on one arm with 12kg, sometimes press ups. Whenever I start to climb and get somewhere something happens to use my money and have to do too many hours again and end up not falling, but being pushed back down. Not everyone is well enough to do all the hours God sends. Some people need to realise that. I don't eat enough food to put muscle on. Eating is a huge chore. Its slowed my metabolism and burned the muscle I have to save energy. Despite this I am proud of the shape I've kept my body in, I don't think it's bad at all considering. What keeps me going is how much I will surely soar when things get even halfway back to normal. Its built so much resilience, but also taken it's toll. | |||
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