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Conspiracy Nuts/Theories/Evidence part 2

By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

There was a thread about this a while back and I tried to dig it up but it was too much like hard work, so I hope it's OK to start again.

This is here because I'm conscious of threads ending up hijacked by me. This can be the place for stuff too off topic to go anywhere else.

I'm going to start by bullet pointing my position to give an idea why I would believe such a thing. Respond, question, offer critical stuff, post what you like!

1.Madeleine McCann - I stuck up for those 2 for years. They messed up badly but I was always gracious to them, taking a 'for the grace of God go I' attitude. That was until I understood that was a complete non-issue since by that time, Madeleine was almost 100? already dead.

There's a huge backstory behind this, too enormous to explain here. There are so much theories and weird stuff out there, but I've picked out the most popular. I urge anyone interested to type "rich d hall" into YouTube which quickly gives the option of Madeleine McCann.

I don't think it matters what else he may believe, but I can see his research on the McCanns has been done with integrity and matters to him very much.

Please do find the interview with Peter Hyatt by simply typing Peter Hyatt into YouTube.

Please do also consider this with a fair and balanced mind, without prejudice and come to your own conclusion. Dont let me or anyone else tell you what YOU have to believe.

Some points:

The McCanns spent much of the donations aggresive silencing anyone dissenting from the official narrative with legal action.

If you understand psychological matters such as Narcissistic Personality Disorder, this will be revealing. Understanding the concept of duping delight will help explain why Gerry often does that smirk.

Tony Blair's top media man, Clarence Mitchell was dispatched to the McCanns almost immediately, at their side throughout, and leaving his job with a 6 figure salary. Why on earth would he be involved in a missing persons case. Unprecedented. He let it slip his previous job was to 'control what goes out to the media'. Why make such a gaffe? Again understanding NPD is key, basically he couldn't help himself IMO.

The Gaspar statements were never mentioned by the media AFAIK.

Too much more to say here.

Why would the media be controlled like this? Why would it be so important to the government to cover up the accidental death of a child?

I dont really fully know. But they have and still are. If you dont know about this, please look at the evidence. The videos mentioned above are the best place to start, rounding up much of the mountains of info into one place.

If you are like me, having defended the McCanns throughout, you will probably also feel angry and cheated when you understand how you've been lied to. Most of the media probably dont know themselves and are just as deceived, being directed from above, who in turn are directed from above themselves.

Lastly, if it suits the establishment, they would turn on Kate and Gerry in an instant and feed them alive to the dogs. Look out for every news headline screaming "McCanns lied all along!" etc being released to all the media, then they would be suicided before they reveal the agenda of the establishment, anything they say having been edited out and explained away.

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

By the way, though this looks like an obsession lol I keep half an eye on what's going on so there's so much I dont know!

2.Malaysia -

Some years ago Malaysia spoke out against the US and even held their own trial for war crimes re illegal invasions of countries. They were starting to make a big noise about this. Watch out for Malaysia being made into an "evil" nation fit for regime change to be invaded themselves, with the media going to great lengths to influence public opinion.

Until then Malaysia weren't on the radar. Since then Malaysia have been appearing increasingly negatively in the press. These last 2 nights in a row on the radio I've been hearing of their 'dictatorship for 25 years' and suchlike. Its quite frightening to see this playing out. All that time apparently and only now its being made an issue out of??

And of course the missing plane in 2014. The US know exactly where that plane is, you can be certain they did it. Rolls Royce, Boeing etc monitor everything on it and know exactly what happened to it.

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By *he Silver FuxMan over a year ago

Uttoxeter

"By the way, though this looks like an obsession lol I keep half an eye on what's going on so there's so much I dont know!

2.Malaysia -

I work for Rolls-Royce, initimately involved, and nobody knows where that plane is - we have predicted where it could be but the search area is vast - you don’t know anything about the technology/ telemetry that comes from aircraft and it’s limitations.... so maybe instead of watching fecking idiots on YouTube who might have flown a PC simulator game whilst still living with their parents at age 37..... look at some of the aero engineering / pilot aircrew / aero enthusiast websites about it, you might then appreciate there’s no conspiracy, just unbelievably huge search areas and frustratingly little solid telemetry.

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

Ok thanks for that reply, I appreciate it. Cool to hear it from someone from Rolls Royce.

BTW just to point out I dont jump to the conclusion you are a paid shill. I might be wrong but try to be rational about it.

I still stand by an anti-Malaysia sentiment brewing and am keeping half an eye on a future vote to go to war, in the style of Iraq, Syria etc. All part of a bigger and very dark agenda I have suspected for years, by some utter greedy people hiding in the shadows to eventually create a world state of complete control, similar to that envisioned by Orwell.

I assert that our very own Treason May is very much a part of this. She's such an awful actress, coming onto the camera and knowingly lying while reading her autocue, struggling to appear to show human warmth and compassion, two qualities I think she despises and is unable to understand. Still, there's a great laugh to be had watching her, and that's from a former lifelong conservative voter. I said former.

I'd better be careful what I say or MI5 will be on my case. My phone just had a mega power drop again lol.

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

*I suspect the PM, rather than assert, would be a better word, since that would take me out of direct accusation territory.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

The New World Order.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I always go of my inbuilt radar for weird people and to be fair, it's only been wrong once.

The McCanns are weird.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Blimey this is far too serious

What about 911?

Or JFK

Or reptilians?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You'll find MH370 parked on the runway at Diego Garcia waiting to be used as a weapon.

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

Yeah I believe in what is basically known as New World Order, which is why the powers that be really didn't want brexit. It was a genuine surprise IMO.

This is why so many people still are moving heaven and earth to get the vote reversed any way they can. I've never in my life seen SO much unacceptance of a democratic vote, so much propaganda trying to blame everything on brexit. Look at how much effort is going into getting a democratic vote overturned.

My views were summed up exactly by someone else who put it like this; 'I wouldn't be surprised if at some point in the future some sort of catastrophe was orchestrated in order to get those who voted brexit to regret their vote' Already on the radio the other night I was hearing a 2nd vote was being called for. I've never seen anything like it.

Also, the moment the old £1 coins were banned and replaced with the new ones, that look exactly like a Euro, I could tell this was subliminal propaganda to try to force people to accept Europe.

I love the idea of 'togetherness' in principle. In reality, they just want every countries' identity broken down to melt into one big pot, presented as unity but really homogeneousness.

The media push is so strong, so relentless, I fully believe they will get what they want in the end. But happily I believe such lengths will have to be gone to, that a lot of people will realise something stinks about the whole thing.

Reptilians - No. I really think this is a mistake.

JFK - I dont know anything about this, but have heard a week or so before he said to paraphrase he's going to announce/reveal things that are going in, something similar to that effect. I wouldn't be surprised.

9/11 - I will probably post more about why. I'm conscious about not wanting to use weasel words but even so a lot of people are unhappy to say the least, to put it that way, over the official report.

7/7 - It appears the poor lads who were blamed for this weren't even on the trains. They were supposed to take part in a special anti terror training exercise where they would pretend to be terrorists. This does happen, videos can be found of mock exercises like this. Arriving late at a station, they were horrified when real bombs had actually gone off. Realising what was going on, they fled for their lives but were murdered by the same special ops team. One of the boy's mothers insisted something was very wrong with the official story and was making a lot of noise. She just happened to die short after.

I really don't spend anywhere near as much time with this as it might appear. I do feel the need to say that BTW.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

You’ll (not) be surprised at the number of ‘celebrities’ who have their photos taken with one eye covered representing the eye in the pyramid on the dollar

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

I also agree the McCanns are weird people the more I know about them.

There is an entry 13909 in the CATS register against the McCanns. Doesn't prove anything but why is that there?

The Gaspar statements - to sum up, they were other doctors who holidayed with the McCanns and friends a year earlier. Around dinner everyone was having conversation, lots of laughter and banter when David Payne said to Gerry "Would Maddie do this?" He put his finger in and out of his mouth sexually and circled his nipple.

The Gaspar lady was like 'Wtf?' and it was like a record scratch pause, then the conversations continued again.

From then on, the Gaspars didn't want David or Gerry bathing their children anymore. They all bathed each others children, which itself seems a bit off maybe?

A year later when everything kicked off, the Gaspar's were watching the news when they saw David Payne on the TV and were concerned he had something to do with it. Which us when they made their statement to Leicestershire police, who did not release this to the Portuguese authorities!

They did months later, just after Goncalo Amoral was removed from the case.

Understanding how Narcissistic Personality Disorder works reveals a lot. Kate and Gerry seemed obsessed with Maddie's looks, and at times didn't seem capable of considering her as a person. On page 129 of Kate's book, she describes her fear of Maddie's perfect little genitalia. Who talks like that?

NPD also explains why Kate in particular despises inspector Amoral's soul, in the same book describing her hatred of him in vicious terms. The one big thing narcissists fear and loathe is being exposed.

Their close friendship with Clement Freud who after the book was written was exposed as a massive peso, doesn't help.

Jane Tanner's banter and innuendo (the men in the group needing relief) during a police interview, supposedly of a missing child.

The 'make up photo' which was released without their knowledge, 3 year old Madeleine posing while made up in blue eye shadow, lipstick, bow in hair and necklace. Kate and the PR team (who the fuck has a PR team anyway?) scrambled to dismiss this as 'oh, just the result of raiding mummy's make up!'

I urge anyone who doesn't know this to google 'Maddie make up photo' and judge for yourself whether she applied it herself, as the official narrative states.

Then the independent analysis by Peter Hyatt, who concluded amongst everything else, a "strong" possibility of sexual abuse.

Just the amount of duping delight in Gerry's interviews, all the little unintended smiling and smirks that leak out, (the same as Ben Needham's uncle incidentally)

This is by no means exhaustive and in total doesn't prove anything, but the amount of benefit of doubt that you have to keep giving... One thing I learned in life is when you have to keep on giving the benefit of the doubt, something is wrong.

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

Why not go to the police with this evidence? Because they already know. Once you understand how the system works and how it is interfered with above, the amount of corruption it's almost useless.

As for 911 if you went on TV, even with a case of actual incontrovertible proof, they would just edit it out. Then you realise that they already know in high places, and it would be time to fear for your life.

If you sent incontrovertible proof to say the Daily Fail, they simply wouldn't print it. There would be mad interference to stop it.

Where are the whistleblowers if these things are true? There are whistleblowers. They just dont get reported of if they do, get marginalised as mad in some way.

Robin Cook started talking about 911 (I.e. what a lie the official report was), two weeks later he was dead. A very fit and healthy man who nevertheless suffered a heart attack, the report says.

Charlie Sheen started talking about 911. He isn't dead but his career is.

There is one MP who off the record knows 7/7 was carried out by special ops, but fears ever saying so on record.

The McCanns are in a pickle. No way will they confess without taking the establishment with them, at which point you can fully expect them to "commit suicide due to the guilt".

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

*correction I never want to be so negative as to say its useless. Most police are just like us and only ever hear the official version of things, already a barrier. On ground level there's not really a lot they could do. The investigation was only ever treated as a missing persons case in the UK, this was determined from above. The reason they've never got anywhere is there is simply no missing person.

Then you get people like Jim Gamble who knows better talking rubbish such as cadaver dogs only being as good as the evidence, unreliable etc. They alerted to locations associated with the McCanns such as Kate's clothes! They did not alert to anything not associated with the McCanns. That looks reliable to me.

This led to Kate and Clarence having to explain oh, Kate got the cadaver odour from bodies she came into contact in her work as a doctor, and also on the toy because "Kate took it in to work with her". Just seems like excuses for everything, and again having to give the benefit of the doubt.

The Portuguese authorities started properly from scratch and came to a conclusion of guilt.

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

"You’ll (not) be surprised at the number of ‘celebrities’ who have their photos taken with one eye covered representing the eye in the pyramid on the dollar

You're right, I'm not surprised

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have never doubted the McCanns involvement in their daughters disappearance.

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

"I have never doubted the McCanns involvement in their daughters disappearance."

You must be very perceptive since certainly at the time I didn't have a clue. I was completely fooled and always felt for them, having to suffer being accused. I also felt the whole 'leaving I respected them greatly for 'never losing hope'. I'm actually sad that this isn't how it is.

As for their best buddy Clarence Mitchell, Tony Blair's former head of MMU (media management unit) who amazingly let it slip that his job was to control what goes out to the media, and who left this high position to be rushed out to become the McCanns personal PR advisor -

I dont know why but I actually feel for him somehow, like somewhere in him he's human (as in emotionally), and almost like he does what he does because he's well ensconced in a deeply evil system and it's kind of he 'can't really go back now'.

But it might just be wishful thinking. Dont know why I get that feeling.

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

As for Treason May, I truly dont believe reptilians exist, in any physical way. Human DNA is human DNA. But if they were real, she certainly would be one.

Sadly as far as I can see, I'm not sure she would ever change.

She wants to monitor and record everyone's internet and email usage, in the name of "anti-terrorism". Even at the time I could see where this was going.

Who is a terrorist?

Milkman (my nickname for him) David Cameron in a EU meeting pretty much said anyone who doubts the official narrative of 911 and 77 publically is a "non violent extremist" (with the implication they are to be dealt with).

More and more I start to think George Orwell really knew all along.

Thankfully these pricks dont have utter control of everything, as much as it might seem.

Brexit was completely unexpected IMO, which is why everything is being done to sabotage it, the PM knowingly lying and pretending to try to advance talks, all the while stalling for time, while an aggressive and relentless campaign rages to reverse a democratic vote.

The PMs loss in the recent election wasn't the plan either. Nice to see things go wrong sometimes. In fact they go wrong all the time lol and is often like slapstick comedy. The 4 7/7 terrorists were late for their train and nearly ended up exposing everything. Sadly it looks like CCTV cameras were used for their main purpose and special ops managed to track them as they fled, so the situation was saved, but not without cost.

This wasn't reported on the BBC however so a lot of people dont really know about this, as well as the fact incontrovertible proof is naturally difficult to come by

Love any criticism about listening to something on YouTube etc, yes there is so much crap and probably some things are probably off track and need correcting. The irony is that a person criticising probably trusts the BBC with their life.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Blimey this is far too serious

What about 911?

Or JFK

Or reptilians?"

Or Paul McCartney

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Blimey this is far too serious

What about 911?

Or JFK

Or reptilians?

Or Paul McCartney

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I find people’s obsession with conspiracy theories far more worrying than the theories themselves

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

The state is a major player in establishing and using conspiracy theories, to ensure their view remains accepted. Businesses do likewise. I don't have a major interest in the theories as there are also a ton of attention seeking people who involve themselves in often ridiculous theories that warrant no energy.

Keep an open mind, follow the money and power, whilst avoiding distractions

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

"I find people’s obsession with conspiracy theories far more worrying than the theories themselves "

Well said.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"I find people’s obsession with conspiracy theories far more worrying than the theories themselves "

Agreed.

And believing in/obsessing about conspiracy theories distracts people from the actual, obvious shit that governments and corporations pull, helping them get away with it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"By the way, though this looks like an obsession lol I keep half an eye on what's going on so there's so much I dont know!

2.Malaysia -

Perfect silver fox. I am a former RAF engineer, now a teacher.

YouTube is now a sensation for apparent evidence.

Conspiracy theorists now have a community spreading round the globe to spout their made up stories using poor evidence.

Op don’t take offence but I’ll be blocking you as I can’t be arsed with the drama on the forum.

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By *onnie And Clyde9070Couple over a year ago

Leeds

"Blimey this is far too serious

What about 911?

Or JFK

Or reptilians?

Or Paul McCartney

Or Hitler. Did he commit suicide in his bunker or escape to Argentina?

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"You’ll (not) be surprised at the number of ‘celebrities’ who have their photos taken with one eye covered representing the eye in the pyramid on the dollar

Dont.

Encourage.

Him.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unfortunately, when there are serious questions to be asked about certain events - 9-11, JFK etc - and the government refuses to answer them, the people asking the questions are labelled Conspiracy Theorists. This suits the agenda of the cover up, because as soon as something is labelled a "conspiracy theory", it can be dismissed. The questions do not need to be answered. It just a few nutjobs with nothing better to do.

It also suits the agenda of the cover up, to group the serious issues (9-11 etc), with the nonsense "conspiracy theories" (Flat Earth etc). As soon as a lot of people hear "conspiracy theory", the issue is dismissed.

There is actually a term for people that are happy to go along with the official verdict of many of the major events. They are called "Coincidence Theorists". For a major event such as the assassination of JFK, there had to be a lot of things to happen the way they did, before and after the actual assassination. Too many coincidences for it not to raise difficult questions. The people asking those difficult questions, are labelled "Conspiracy Theorists". This means that no answers are needed, as these people are nutjobs - just like the flat earthers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Blimey this is far too serious

What about 911?

Or JFK

Or reptilians?

Or Paul McCartney

Or Hitler. Did he commit suicide in his bunker or escape to Argentina?"

He's on the dark side of the moon with Elvis.

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By *nderIwonder.Man over a year ago

2nd City

A couple of months later after 370 flight went missing flight mh17 went down in the Ukraine and the first responders reported that the bodies smelt like they had been dead for weeks. Was these 2 planes the same? It makes me think they could of hijacked 370 and used it to implement another war? I also read that the mccanns were on a swingers holiday and all the, couples are keeping tight lipped about it as they all sedated their kids.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Unfortunately, when there are serious questions to be asked about certain events - 9-11, JFK etc - and the government refuses to answer them, the people asking the questions are labelled Conspiracy Theorists. This suits the agenda of the cover up, because as soon as something is labelled a "conspiracy theory", it can be dismissed. The questions do not need to be answered. It just a few nutjobs with nothing better to do.

JFK was shot accidentally by one of his own security team who’s gun went off when he jumped on the back of the vehicle to shield him. I thought that was common knowledge now.

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By *picknspanMan over a year ago

North West Leeds

"Yeah I believe in what is basically known as New World Order, which is why the powers that be really didn't want brexit. It was a genuine surprise IMO.

Also, the moment the old £1 coins were banned and replaced with the new ones, that look exactly like a Euro, I could tell this was subliminal propaganda to try to force people to accept Europe.

I love the idea of 'togetherness' in principle. In reality, they just want every countries' identity broken down to melt into one big pot, presented as unity but really homogeneousness.

Reptilians - No. I really think this is a mistake.

9/11 - I will probably post more about why. I'm conscious about not wanting to use weasel words but even so a lot of people are unhappy to say the least, to put it that way, over the official report.

I really don't spend anywhere near as much time with this as it might appear. I do feel the need to say that BTW."

You don't have a job do you?

You have too much spare time on your hands which is why you are writing this sort of mind numbing nonsense.

I feel sad for you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find people’s obsession with conspiracy theories far more worrying than the theories themselves "

Yep, agreed. Strange people chasing strange fantasies.

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By *inkerbell67Woman over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

I belive that maddies parents killed there daughter ..Princess Diana was murdered by MI5,by order of the palace ,..9/11 the buildings came down to fast and the plane crash wouldnt have caused that much structure damage ,i belive it was blown up from the bottom up wards ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I belive that maddies parents killed there daughter ..Princess Diana was murdered by MI5,by order of the palace ,..9/11 the buildings came down to fast and the plane crash wouldnt have caused that much structure damage ,i belive it was blown up from the bottom up wards .."

I’d go along with baddies parents accidentally killing her and knowing exactly where she is buried or otherwise disposed of, I personally think she’s at the bottom of the sea. As for Diana and 9/11 I don’t buy into it, it’s just nonsense

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is also the mysterious collapse of World Trade Center 7. This building was not hit by a plane, yet it collapsed that day. It became only the third building in history to collapse because of fire - the first two being the Twin Towers. It also collapsed at free fall speed. The bizarre thing about the collapse was that CNN and BBC reported it's collapse before it actually happened. It can even be seen still standing, on camera, as they are reporting it. The BBC report is abruptly cut short, when they realise what is happening.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Conspiracies that are the most successful are the ones that different types of people can get something out of .Everyone adds their own personal take on it and project their own biases into the group.

We laugh at these people but they can be very dangerous.The antivaxxers are an example of conspiracy theorists doing great harm.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Building 7 was on fire for 7 hours before it collapsed, firefighter left to burn because it had already been evacuated and they had enough to deal with. They reported its imminent collapse 2 hours before it did collapse which was why the bbc reported it as it was happening. The buildings core collapsed first and then the outer walls, having no support left to hold them up, then collapse. The answers are there if you want to see them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Conspiracies that are the most successful are the ones that different types of people can get something out of .Everyone adds their own personal take on it and project their own biases into the group.

We laugh at these people but they can be very dangerous.The antivaxxers are an example of conspiracy theorists doing great harm."

And there is the problem - Not everything labelled a "conspiracy theory" is one. It suits the guilty, that the majority label "conspiracy theorists" as dangerous or nutjobs. There are serious issues not being addressed with regards to the official report on 9-11. They have gone unanswered, because the majority are lead to believe that it is just crackpots with nothing better to do - "Conspiracy Theorists". Each issue needs to be dealt with independently. To say that Anti-Vaxxers are dangerous, should not be used as an argument against people that think that we are not being told the truth regarding 9-11. It has absolutely nothing to do with 9-11.

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

I take a 8 3/4 tinfoil hat if anyone's got a spare.

Flat earth anyone?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We laugh at these people but they can be very dangerous.The antivaxxers are an example of conspiracy theorists doing great harm.

What have people got against Vax’s, it does a pretty good job on my carpet. People really should get out more.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

We laugh at these people but they can be very dangerous.The antivaxxers are an example of conspiracy theorists doing great harm.

What have people got against Vax’s, it does a pretty good job on my carpet. People really should get out more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I like a good thesis but I'd have to double check the evidence myself to call it a theory

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Casually ignoring that it was only the third building in history to collapse due to fire? And that it fell at free fall speed. Why would that building collapse? There have been many buildings on fire, for longer, with greater intensity, and yet they didn't collapse.

Where is the plane that allegedly hit the Pentagon? Where are the bodies? Where is the CCTV footage? Why did the Twin Towers collapse after only an hour or so? Why was the debris just dust? Why wasn't the debris analysed? When the planes were hijacked, where were the fighter jets? How did people manage to make mobile phone calls from an aeroplane?

These are just a few legimate questions. There are many more. People can choose to ignore those questions. They can also choose to label the people asking those questions as "conspiracy theorists". It doesn't make the questions go away.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm open to reading pretty much anything. But the fatal flaw of most conspiracy theories is that they're simply not grounded in reality.

The extremely rich mix in very small circles? Yes they really do. The same top bureaucrats from around the world meet each other over and over again in different clubs or organisations throughout the year to discuss issues of public policy and set broad agendas? This is just a matter of fact. Groups of people hide agendas from others whilst they unscrupulously seek to carry them out, either for their own or other's good? Of course. Just look at the history books. History is rife with conspiracies, not muddles.

But this stuff is real. It's history. Mired by a vast network of complex countering factors which limit it. Not all rich people like each other, let alone agree. Not all bureaucrats sing from the same hymn sheet. Not all conspiracies are even remotely successful. Give me a 911 or Madelaine McCann conspiracy that even remotely resonates with authenticity, one which can be made to sit coherently in with history (by which I'm actually asking you to build a weaker case for it rather than a stronger one), and maybe, just maybe, I'll begin to think you maybe onto something

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes there are many questions, most have been answered if you look for them. The debris wasn’t just just, don’t be so absurd. When your plane is coming into land you get your signal back when the plane is low enough to get the signal. If you google each one of your questions the answers will be there. Building 7 was allowed to burn for 7 hours before it collapsed, maybe that’s the reason it collapsed. No other building would just be allowed to burn without being tackled with water, that one was because it was empty and the firefighters had a lot going on to worry about an empty building.

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By *andm288Couple over a year ago

oxford

Too heavy for me only popped online for a perv

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

It's funny how the 9/11 nuts only ask questions one way.

How about asking 'why would the US government attack its own people, damage its own economy, make itself look weak, when historically they've never needed anywhere near that kind of extreme justification to invade a country?'

How are the US officials who allegedly organised 9/11 so clever that they orchestrated this amazing display of death and distrusction, yet also so stupid that they couldn't think of any other easier and less damaging way of justifying invading Iraq?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"It's funny how the 9/11 nuts only ask questions one way.

And if they wanted to justify an invasion of Iraq why did they forget to manufacture evidence showing Iraq was complicit in the attack?

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

"Too heavy for me only popped online for a perv "
Haha

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"Casually ignoring that it was only the third building in history to collapse due to fire?"

You keep saying that like it’s a fact. It isn’t.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The debris was mostly just dust. It was not what would be expected. The planes did not land. They crashed. The calls were not made as that was happening. You also need to remember, that this happened in 2001, mobile phones were not as technically advanced back then. If I Google each of those questions I will get the official report, which was nonsense. The CCTV footage of the alleged plane that crashed into the Pentagon, was confiscated - it cannot be viewed - Why? There have been buildings in Mexico, Venezuela, Japan that have burnt for 18hours and up. They did not collapse. Why, in the history of buildings being on fire, is it that the only three to collapse were on that day?

There is enough doubt concerning all of the above and much more, for 9-11 to be dismissed as just a"conspiracy theory".

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"The PMs loss in the recent election wasn't the plan either. Nice to see things go wrong sometimes."

If it’s all orchestrated, why leave something as simple as an election result to chance?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's funny how the 9/11 nuts only ask questions one way.

So someone that doesn't agree with your views on 9-11, is a nut?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"It's funny how the 9/11 nuts only ask questions one way.

So someone that doesn't agree with your views on 9-11, is a nut? "

Yes, that's a reasonable inference.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"It's funny how the 9/11 nuts only ask questions one way.

So someone that doesn't agree with your views on 9-11, is a nut? "

Go on, I'll play. What's your theory. Did the US government do it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Casually ignoring that it was only the third building in history to collapse due to fire?

You keep saying that like it’s a fact. It isn’t."

No steel supported skyscrapers have ever collapsed because of fire - apart from the three buildings that collapsed that day. This is a fact.

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By *rumpyMcFuckNuggetMan over a year ago

Den of Iniquity

This should be interesting

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By *nderIwonder.Man over a year ago

2nd City

"I find people’s obsession with conspiracy theories far more worrying than the theories themselves

Yep, agreed. Strange people chasing strange fantasies."
says the person on a pervy swinging site doesn't this place involve fantasies?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We laugh at these people but they can be very dangerous.The antivaxxers are an example of conspiracy theorists doing great harm.

Again - it suits the establishment that the majority link flat-earthers to Anti-Vaxxers to 9-11 to Diana to JFK. They can all be dismissed without justification. All because of the "Conspiracy Theory" label."
Count up the number of conspiracy theories you have collected.If its more than one ask yourself is this rational.

Anti vaxxers cause deaths, mostly children , do you deny this ?It's definitely a conspiracy.

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By *andare63Man over a year ago

oldham

Are you on medication OP?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We laugh at these people but they can be very dangerous.The antivaxxers are an example of conspiracy theorists doing great harm.

Again - it suits the establishment that the majority link flat-earthers to Anti-Vaxxers to 9-11 to Diana to JFK. They can all be dismissed without justification. All because of the "Conspiracy Theory" label. Count up the number of conspiracy theories you have collected.If its more than one ask yourself is this rational.

Anti vaxxers cause deaths, mostly children , do you deny this ?It's definitely a conspiracy."

Anti-Vaxxers have absolutely nothing to do with 9-11. I believe that there are questions to be answered regarding JFK and 9-11. That is it. You seem to think that if someone questions 9-11, then they must question all of those other events. That is not the case.

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By *picknspanMan over a year ago

North West Leeds

All this talk and we haven't even mentioned the moon landing yet....stands back and looks at shoes and waits

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By *dam_TinaCouple over a year ago

Hampshire

"You’ll (not) be surprised at the number of ‘celebrities’ who have their photos taken with one eye covered representing the eye in the pyramid on the dollar

He also says Clement Freud was a peso.

I´m spotting a currency conspiracy

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

"All this talk and we haven't even mentioned the moon landing yet....stands back and looks at shoes and waits

Don't worry I'll get onto that, and explain why, once I got through the laughter, I now have doubts. Glad people are enjoying this btw.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All this talk and we haven't even mentioned the moon landing yet....stands back and looks at shoes and waits

The greatest film maker of the time Stanley Kubrick(2001 a space odyssey) ,is supposed to have filmed the moon landings .However he was such a perfectionist he insisted on filming on location.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

JFK was shot accidentally by one of his own security team who’s gun went off when he jumped on the back of the vehicle to shield him. I thought that was common knowledge now. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I need to cum my brains full of shit now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's funny how the 9/11 nuts only ask questions one way.

So someone that doesn't agree with your views on 9-11, is a nut?

Go on, I'll play. What's your theory. Did the US government do it? "

I didn't say I had a theory. I am saying that there is enough questions left unanswered, in the official report, for there to be an independent investigation. Questioning something does not make you a "conspiracy theorist".

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By *iverpool LoverMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I find people’s obsession with conspiracy theories far more worrying than the theories themselves

Yep, agreed. Strange people chasing strange fantasies."

I find this funny coming from a site that has strange people wanting to buy and sniff worn panties and people that want to pre inside a woman's vagina and ass.

Now those are strange fantasies

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By *iverpool LoverMan over a year ago

liverpool

Pee*

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"It's funny how the 9/11 nuts only ask questions one way.

So someone that doesn't agree with your views on 9-11, is a nut?

Go on, I'll play. What's your theory. Did the US government do it?

The trouble with conspiracy theorists and independent investigations, people will continue to demand them until they hear the result they've set their heart on....

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By *andare63Man over a year ago

oldham

"It's funny how the 9/11 nuts only ask questions one way.

So someone that doesn't agree with your views on 9-11, is a nut?

Go on, I'll play. What's your theory. Did the US government do it?

The trouble with conspiracy theorists and independent investigations, people will continue to demand them until they hear the result they've set their heart on...."

true

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"The temperature wasn't high enough to impact the behaviour of the steel."

Yes, it was.

"It doesn't alter the fact that the only three steel supported skyscrapers, in history, to collapse from fire, were on that day."

No, they weren’t. There are others in the link I provided. Not many, but they are there. There aren’t too many examples of planes flying into skyscrapers to compare the structural damage that does, fortunately.

"What I do claim to be, is someone that will question what is being said, if what is being said doesn't add up. It's really that simple."

On current evidence, you’re just somebody who takes unevidenced statements at face value, which would appear to be the behaviour you’re trying to criticise.

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

kamkouple: https://youtu.be/bMZ-nkYr46w

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The temperature wasn't high enough to impact the behaviour of the steel.

Yes, it was.

It doesn't alter the fact that the only three steel supported skyscrapers, in history, to collapse from fire, were on that day.

What I do claim to be, is someone that will question what is being said, if what is being said doesn't add up. It's really that simple.

On current evidence, you’re just somebody who takes unevidenced statements at face value, which would appear to be the behaviour you’re trying to criticise."

The melting point of steel is 1500 degrees. The maximum temperature that normal building fires reach (including jet fuel) is 1100 degrees. So no, it wasn't.

The world trade centres were designed to withstand a jet flying into them. The steel structures were the inner core. The damage would have been minimal. Also, most of the jet fuel, would have been dispersed on impact (as can be seen from the footage).

Also, thanks for telling me what kind of person you think I am. We are discussing an event from 2001 - My views are different from yours. That's all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"It's funny how the 9/11 nuts only ask questions one way.

So someone that doesn't agree with your views on 9-11, is a nut?

Go on, I'll play. What's your theory. Did the US government do it?

The trouble with conspiracy theorists and independent investigations, people will continue to demand them until they hear the result they've set their heart on....

true"

Unfortunately they never hear the result they want, and on and on and fucking on it goes.

I have a friend who's constantly bleating about how much the Royal Wedding cost, despite being shown literally dozens of articles about the true cost and how it was funded.

There's none so blind as them that cannot see.....

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By *ubiousOatcakeMan over a year ago

Aberdeenshire

"The melting point of steel is 1500 degrees. The maximum temperature that normal building fires reach (including jet fuel) is 1100 degrees. So no, it wasn't."

Do you understand that the melting point of something, and the temperature at which it behaves differently are two different things? The temperature at which steel no longer retains its strength is below the temperature of the fire.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"kamkouple: https://youtu.be/bMZ-nkYr46w"

And for every link you post, I could post one stating the opposite. You have your view, I have mine.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Arguing with strangers on the interweb about shit they nothing about, what a time to be alive.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The temperature wasn't high enough to impact the behaviour of the steel.

Yes, it was.

It doesn't alter the fact that the only three steel supported skyscrapers, in history, to collapse from fire, were on that day.

What I do claim to be, is someone that will question what is being said, if what is being said doesn't add up. It's really that simple.

On current evidence, you’re just somebody who takes unevidenced statements at face value, which would appear to be the behaviour you’re trying to criticise.

The melting point of steel is 1500 degrees. The maximum temperature that normal building fires reach (including jet fuel) is 1100 degrees. So no, it wasn't.

Also, thanks for telling me what kind of person you think I am. We are discussing an event from 2001 - My views are different from yours. That's all.

A 300 ton plane travelling at 500mph into a building is never in a million years going to cause “minimal damage”. You said earlier that the plane disappears on impact, would you expect it to just bounce off this impervious building and fall to the floor?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Arguing with strangers on the interweb about shit they nothing about, what a time to be alive. "

Well there's one post I really didn't need to read

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Arguing with strangers on the interweb about shit they know nothing about, what a time to be alive.

Well there's one post I really didn't need to read

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By *tingly ByronMan over a year ago

In a town Fab forgot

"Arguing with strangers on the interweb about shit they nothing about, what a time to be alive. "

Living the dream.....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Arguing with strangers on the interweb about shit they know nothing about, what a time to be alive.

Well there's one post I really didn't need to read

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The temperature wasn't high enough to impact the behaviour of the steel.

Yes, it was.

It doesn't alter the fact that the only three steel supported skyscrapers, in history, to collapse from fire, were on that day.

What I do claim to be, is someone that will question what is being said, if what is being said doesn't add up. It's really that simple.

On current evidence, you’re just somebody who takes unevidenced statements at face value, which would appear to be the behaviour you’re trying to criticise.

The melting point of steel is 1500 degrees. The maximum temperature that normal building fires reach (including jet fuel) is 1100 degrees. So no, it wasn't.

Also, thanks for telling me what kind of person you think I am. We are discussing an event from 2001 - My views are different from yours. That's all.

I said most of the jet fuel dispersed on impact. The impact of the jet would have caused very little damage to the core of the structure - certainly not enough to cause it to collapse at free fall speed, within an hour or so. Perhaps "minimal damage" was the wrong phrase. As already mentioned, the world trade center buildings were designed to withstand a jet impact.

We will have to agree to disagree. I am not trying to convince you of anything. Your opinion is your opinion. I have mine. It's different from yours.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Casually ignoring that it was only the third building in history to collapse due to fire?

You keep saying that like it’s a fact. It isn’t.

No steel supported skyscrapers have ever collapsed because of fire - apart from the three buildings that collapsed that day. This is a fact. "

No steel supported sky scrapers have ever been crashed into by 300 ton passenger planes tho have they. Just because something has never happened before doesn’t mean it isn’t true. And you’ve mentioned that the debris was just dust, well it wasn’t but if that was the case then what are you suggesting happened to the thousands of tons of steel and concrete, where they beamed into outer space or something. With regard to phone calls, the planes were flown at low level, below the height of the sky scrapers which incidentally house the phone masts where the signal comes from, therefore the phones were able to get signal.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The official report is woeful and couldn't even get the names of the highjackers right Let alone details.

19 committed Islamists (who happend to also have a liking for hookers and drugs) evaded the world's most advanced and prolific secret service to come and go, take a few lessons on a Cessna while being coached from an ex CIA operative in a cave and carry out complicated flying maneuvers of large jet engined aircraft while subduing passengers with Stanley knifes and hit all three targets perfectly first time (could have been four of the passengers hadn't stopped them), all in plain daylight for hours on end while evading the world's most advanced and technically complicated airforce who were busy training for... Errr this exact scenario!.

If you'd read it on the internet there'd have locked up as a loon

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I mean it's not like anybody couldn't foresee it?.

It's not like the FBI hadn't already given a genuine bomb to some crazy Arabs to try it once before...... Who could possibly have guessed there'd try again

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Casually ignoring that it was only the third building in history to collapse due to fire?

You keep saying that like it’s a fact. It isn’t.

No steel supported skyscrapers have ever collapsed because of fire - apart from the three buildings that collapsed that day. This is a fact.

Yes. They were beamed into outer space. Obviously.

My opinion is not the same as yours. I am stating my views. I believe there are serious flaws with regards to the official report regarding 9-11. That is it. I don't care what you think. I really don't. I am a nobody to you, and you are a nobody to me. I am not sure why you are so determined to prove my opinion wrong. I have my opinion, you have yours. I think you are ill-informed, and you think the same of me. It happens.

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By *iverpool LoverMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Casually ignoring that it was only the third building in history to collapse due to fire?

You keep saying that like it’s a fact. It isn’t.

No steel supported skyscrapers have ever collapsed because of fire - apart from the three buildings that collapsed that day. This is a fact.

Yes. They were beamed into outer space. Obviously.

Unfortunately they will think their opinion is superior because its what the main strean media and goverments said it to be.

I would just let them be.

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By *iverpool LoverMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The official report is woeful and couldn't even get the names of the highjackers right Let alone details.

If you'd read it on the internet there'd have locked up as a loon

Haha dave the official story sounds more conspiracy theory than the conspiracy theory.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The official report is woeful and couldn't even get the names of the highjackers right Let alone details.

If you'd read it on the internet there'd have locked up as a loon

So how do you explain the fourth plane where the passengers overpowered the terrorists then? You’ve just said it could have been four buildings yourself, you either think they were terrorists or it was all a big set up the the government. I don’t think it can be both.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Casually ignoring that it was only the third building in history to collapse due to fire?

You keep saying that like it’s a fact. It isn’t.

No steel supported skyscrapers have ever collapsed because of fire - apart from the three buildings that collapsed that day. This is a fact.

Yes. They were beamed into outer space. Obviously.

Unfortunately they will think their opinion is superior because its what the main strean media and goverments said it to be.

I would just let them be.

I don’t any opinion is superior to the other at all. It’s called a debate, two opposing arguments. All of the conspiracy that has been mentioned doesn’t hold water tho.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I find people’s obsession with conspiracy theories far more worrying than the theories themselves

Yep, agreed. Strange people chasing strange fantasies."

They are in just the right place on here then...!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

If you have something to hide, create one or more really stupid conspiracy theories. And do it when you don't too, so people don't pick up on the patterns.

Occam's razor usually is helpful.

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

Area 51

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The official report is woeful and couldn't even get the names of the highjackers right Let alone details.

If you'd read it on the internet there'd have locked up as a loon

Apparently the passenger list for that particular flight was a little strange. There was only a 33% load, and a very large portion of the passengers were in some way connected to the military. Not an impossible situation, but certainly one to raise eyebrows.

There is also the Black Eagle Trust Fund. This was a covert government securities fund, estimated at $240 billion. It needed to be brought back into the country (it was linked to the fall of the society union, and George H Bush was also involved). This had to be hidden, as the money was very, very dark. Due to the events of 9-11, the Securities & Exchange Commission declared a state of emergency. This meant relaxing regulations etc. This allowed the $240 billion back into the country. This money was due to come back into the country on 12 September 2001. This is just another strange event surrounding 9-11.

"Follow The Money" is one of the better 9-11 documentaries. It covers this.

To be honest, I think it was just very strange with regards to what happened in the school (where Bush was when hearing of the attacks).

The movements of the president are not a secret. His diary and whereabouts are public knowledge. Bush just sat there for a few minutes, even when informed that the second plane had hit. "We are under attack" was the soundbyte I think. How did the secret service know that there wasn't a plane heading towards that school? The school was not even evacuated. I just think that is another weird event from that day.

When you add these anomalies together, you get a pretty weird chain of events.

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By *inkerbell67Woman over a year ago

Clacton on sea essex

So who did kill Diana and what has happened to Maddie ...

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

Well this has really taken off. I'm too busy right now trying to move out, but might come back later. Cheeers then. x

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

I have no idea what happened to Diana, I always accepted the official story but wouldn't be surprised to find more to it. That driver was always a bit weird afterwards like he could know something.

Madeleine might be buried under Robert Murat's drive. It was built shortly afterwards, and digging it up has been refused. Unlike news headlines, this would be an actual real lead worth exploring but they won't.

Gerry was asked did he know Robert Murat, and threw a strop and took his microphone off.

More to follow.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The official report is woeful and couldn't even get the names of the highjackers right Let alone details.

If you'd read it on the internet there'd have locked up as a loon

Very easily!.

What's one got to do with the other? Read what I wrote and think about it!.

I'll give you a clue, the CIA always use complete morons to take the hit for them when things go wrong, however, they have the ability, the money and the infrastructure to make sure most of the "complications" are not left to chance.

Here's an idea, get yourself a flight simulator and do 20 hours practise in a Cessna, then see if you can jump straight into a 757 and hit a building first time?.

I've tried it, it's way harder than you think

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Here's an idea, get yourself a flight simulator and do 20 hours practise in a Cessna, then see if you can jump straight into a 757 and hit a building first time?.

I've tried it, it's way harder than you think"

I'll vouch for that. I've also gone from a few hours on a flight simulator before jumping straight into a 757 and trying to fly it into a building. It's much harder than it looks

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Here's an idea, get yourself a flight simulator and do 20 hours practise in a Cessna, then see if you can jump straight into a 757 and hit a building first time?.

I've tried it, it's way harder than you think

I'll vouch for that. I've also gone from a few hours on a flight simulator before jumping straight into a 757 and trying to fly it into a building. It's much harder than it looks

"
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They handle completely differently,I only did it out of curiosity from something I'd read, it did make me wonder though about the chances of three flights striking three targets without a single fly around

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By *herrypinupCouple over a year ago

Bath

Oh for a group of people who you would expect to be open minded, the forums often demonstrate the opposite. Don’t worry OP, the world needs critical thinkers otherwise we’d all be ignorant sheeple who blindly believe what our trustworthy governments and tycoon controlled media tells us to believe.

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By *rs AWoman over a year ago

venus

love a good debate but honestly got bored half way reading this

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

Lol had a quick look through the whole thread, and these replies...

Drama? Obsessed?

So wrong lol. But as you wish.

I knew what to expect.

That's why this thread is here, to not go off topic elsewhere. And because I don't like seeing people deceived about the McCann's in particular. That is why I want to share as I'm sure a lot of people will appreciate it, and may not have been aware (it's not like you will ever get it from the BBC lol)

Wanting to believe in conspiracies? Nope not from me anyway. Accusations like that worry me, no one knows what I or anyone else want. Very presumptious, and rather arrogant I might add!

Have a good day, and otherwise no offence taken.

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

"love a good debate but honestly got bored half way reading this

Aw Mrs A that hurts me so much. I thought this read like a crime thriller lol.

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By *rs AWoman over a year ago

venus

"love a good debate but honestly got bored half way reading this

Aw Mrs A that hurts me so much. I thought this read like a crime thriller lol."

im sorry

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By *ed.FoxMan over a year ago

Between Hampshire and London

"Blimey this is far too serious

What about 911?

Or JFK

Or reptilians?

Or Paul McCartney

Suddenly the frog chorus makes so much more sense...

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By *rs AWoman over a year ago

venus

"Blimey this is far too serious

What about 911?

Or JFK

Or reptilians?

Or Paul McCartney

Suddenly the frog chorus makes so much more sense..."

that made me lol

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

"Oh for a group of people who you would expect to be open minded, the forums often demonstrate the opposite."

I know right. But it's worth it for the ones who appreciate it. There's the whole spectrum of every attitude in this place.

"Don’t worry OP, the world needs critical thinkers otherwise we’d all be ignorant sheeple who blindly believe what our trustworthy governments and tycoon controlled media tells us to believe."

Oh thank you. I don't know if I'm really critical. I totally believed 911, the McCanns etc as told on the news, questionable time & have I got shite for you for so long. I'm not really investigative, I just have some videos on while I go to sleep or something and let them do the work and make my mind up what I agree with.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Blimey this is far too serious

What about 911?

Or JFK

Or reptilians?

Or Paul McCartney

Suddenly the frog chorus makes so much more sense..."

Are you saying that’s proof the real Paul ‘croaked’?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Maddie was just a sad tale of a child dying, and parents made to feel guilty of neglect for doing what parents around the world did.holiday camps used to offer a child care service that consisted of wandering around the camp listening at the door while the parents were out for the evening.

Diana was killed by the cat and mouse game played between celebrities and the press. Chased through Paris by a camera man on a motorbike.

JFK was killed, which was a good thing as he became an American hero instead of the instigator of world war 3 which he was he'll bent on starting.

Twin towers were hit by planes piloted by people who trained on the very same planes not Cessna at a flight school in Florida. Coal fires melt iron when air is added. Or even propane gas these days, ask any blacksmith.

OP you really should get out more, nutters make videos for YouTube because they can... watch too many and they will have you believe any crap theory.

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By *iverpool LoverMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Oh for a group of people who you would expect to be open minded, the forums often demonstrate the opposite.

I know right. But it's worth it for the ones who appreciate it. There's the whole spectrum of every attitude in this place.

Don’t worry OP, the world needs critical thinkers otherwise we’d all be ignorant sheeple who blindly believe what our trustworthy governments and tycoon controlled media tells us to believe.

Ignore the negative posts buddy, keep on questioning anything and everything you feel doesnt add up.

your posts are sharing your thoughts on these topocs doing it in a non aggressive manner which is cool.

Anyone that trys to belittle you or call you a nutjob or crazy or conspiracy fucktards ect ect are the ones small minded and ignorant,and unable to contribute to a debate with a grown up attitude.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Many of these major events also provide an opportune time for other things to be done, whilst attention is distracted.

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By *onnie And Clyde9070Couple over a year ago

Leeds

So why was there military grade nano thermite present in the debris and dust left after the twin towers and WTC7 collapsed?

Quite possibly the "passengerplane" that crashed without leaving any trace of human remains was supposed to hit WTC7, that's why the building was wired with nano thermite like the twin towers. Of course, the building still had to come down as any investigations inside the building would have found all the explosives.

It's a sad state of affairs if a building can be brought down freefall into its own footprint by a few isolated office fires.

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By *onnie And Clyde9070Couple over a year ago

Leeds

"The official report is woeful and couldn't even get the names of the highjackers right Let alone details.

If you'd read it on the internet there'd have locked up as a loon

That's the thing. We were told the passengers overpowered the terrorists which led to the plane crashing. We were told this by the same media outlets that told us a passenger plane was impossibly flown at ground level into the Pentagon. That WTC7 had collapsed hours before it actually did. Osama Bin Laden was killed and buried at sea with no photo's taken before, during or after the event. But there were plenty of photo's of the other people, including his brother, who were killed in the same place at the same time by the same soldiers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's no denying it. Those buildings came down in free fall and into their own footprint. There is also pretty clear footage of squibs going off at joints down the sides of the buildings before they fell. And numerous eye witnesses attest to hearing explosions in the basement.

The kneejerk reaction to such facts is usually either "it's the lizard people trying to get us" or "so... what are you trying to say?". Both are wrong. A good thinker stays loyal to the facts, no matter how disturbing their ramifications are.

There is no doubt in my mind that the official story of 911 is a cover. But for what? I have no idea. And I don't particularly feel it strengthens my case by positing anything. The case for a cover up is compelling. The ramifications of that fact is bewildering

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By *andare63Man over a year ago

oldham

"The official report is woeful and couldn't even get the names of the highjackers right Let alone details.

If you'd read it on the internet there'd have locked up as a loon

Bin laden is still alive he now has a kebab shop in Rochdale

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So why was there military grade nano thermite present in the debris and dust left after the twin towers and WTC7 collapsed?

It's a sad state of affairs if a building can be brought down freefall into its own footprint by a few isolated office fires."

I don’t know anything about the thermite being found, I’ve never heard that one. Building 7 wasn’t just a few isolated office fires was it, the fire raged for 7 hours unchallenged and camera footage shows the inside of the building collapsing on itself 8 seconds before the outer walls go because there’s nothing left to hold them up. And if building 7 was left untouched why would it form part of the investigation, were any other untouched surrounding buildings part of the investigation. Some people on here have said none of the debris was examined at all yet you’re now saying it was and thermite was found. People hear and read things and believe what they want to believe. Every conspiracy I’ve heard has been debunked thus far. I’m no expert tho and I’m not even particularly knowledgable on the subject. It’s all just a bit too far fetched for me tho.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Osama bin laden ,JFK,hitler and Elvis.If to join the dots together the picture you always get is a pyramid and the all seeing reptilian eye of the Rothschilds.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

So why was there military grade nano thermite present in the debris and dust left after the twin towers and WTC7 collapsed?

It's a sad state of affairs if a building can be brought down freefall into its own footprint by a few isolated office fires.

Has anyone explained yet why a conspiracy that sought to justify a war with Iraq didn't fit up any Iraqis?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So why was there military grade nano thermite present in the debris and dust left after the twin towers and WTC7 collapsed?

It's a sad state of affairs if a building can be brought down freefall into its own footprint by a few isolated office fires.

Has anyone explained yet why a conspiracy that sought to justify a war with Iraq didn't fit up any Iraqis? "

This whole thread is a conspiracy for me to break my phone from too much scrolling

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

"Oh for a group of people who you would expect to be open minded, the forums often demonstrate the opposite.

I know right. But it's worth it for the ones who appreciate it. There's the whole spectrum of every attitude in this place.

Don’t worry OP, the world needs critical thinkers otherwise we’d all be ignorant sheeple who blindly believe what our trustworthy governments and tycoon controlled media tells us to believe.

Ignore the negative posts buddy, keep on questioning anything and everything you feel doesnt add up.

your posts are sharing your thoughts on these topocs doing it in a non aggressive manner which is cool.

Anyone that trys to belittle you or call you a nutjob or crazy or conspiracy fucktards ect ect are the ones small minded and ignorant,and unable to contribute to a debate with a grown up attitude.

Aw thank you so much, its OK I knew what to expect and can take it. I understand not everyone is able to hear some of this, its too much like putting a goldfish into different water straightaway.

Also the implications can be too frightening, but I remind you these people aren't that competent. They are terrified of being exposed. They mess up and miss things all the time. Building 7 being announced while it was still standing, then the camera feed being pulled is as clear as it gets, and enough to prove events ran to a script. What an enormous cockup.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq? "

Indeed. Given that the attack was a huge bloke to US prestige and made the government look a bunch of incompetents, why on earth would they do that when they could just have cooked up an Iraqi plot to kill the president say.

Muck simpler, much less damaging and provides exactly what they want.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So why was there military grade nano thermite present in the debris and dust left after the twin towers and WTC7 collapsed?

It's a sad state of affairs if a building can be brought down freefall into its own footprint by a few isolated office fires.

Has anyone explained yet why a conspiracy that sought to justify a war with Iraq didn't fit up any Iraqis? "

The war with Iraq was not really connected to 9-11. It is always associated with it, due to the timeframe, but the reason for the invasion was the "weapons of mass destruction" lie. 9-11 comes into it because something was needed to make the public feel like they were threatened.

It seems everything about 9-11 was already in place, even to the very name, and date. 9-11 is the only event in history that is called by the date (with the possible exception of Fourth of July). Pearl harbour isn't called 12-7. Thing is, 9-11 is the emergency services number. The emergency services number conjures up images of the public looking to the authorities for help. Think of the way the buzzwords were very similar to those of WWII (axis of evil=the axis powers, ground zero=first atomic bomb). Even "War on Terror" is designed to make you think of a world war.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq? "

To make the public feel threatened. If the public feel threatened, they are more likely to get behind you. The Nazis did this, using the Communists and Jews as the enemy. Germans felt threatened, so backed them.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

So why was there military grade nano thermite present in the debris and dust left after the twin towers and WTC7 collapsed?

It's a sad state of affairs if a building can be brought down freefall into its own footprint by a few isolated office fires.

Has anyone explained yet why a conspiracy that sought to justify a war with Iraq didn't fit up any Iraqis?

Oh I see, so you're of the view that there's a general conspiracy by the government to cow and frighten people.

I love the idea the the government planned this day of destruction to remind people of the emergency number. In the nicest possible way don't you think that sounds ever so slightly crazy?

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh for a group of people who you would expect to be open minded, the forums often demonstrate the opposite.

I know right. But it's worth it for the ones who appreciate it. There's the whole spectrum of every attitude in this place.

Don’t worry OP, the world needs critical thinkers otherwise we’d all be ignorant sheeple who blindly believe what our trustworthy governments and tycoon controlled media tells us to believe.

Ignore the negative posts buddy, keep on questioning anything and everything you feel doesnt add up.

your posts are sharing your thoughts on these topocs doing it in a non aggressive manner which is cool.

Anyone that trys to belittle you or call you a nutjob or crazy or conspiracy fucktards ect ect are the ones small minded and ignorant,and unable to contribute to a debate with a grown up attitude.

Aw thank you so much, its OK I knew what to expect and can take it. I understand not everyone is able to hear some of this, its too much like putting a goldfish into different water straightaway.

Nonsense, why would it be the BBC that was in on the script? They were talking about it’s collapse because the fire service announce its imminent collapse 2 hours before it actually collapsed so they were watching it and waiting for it to happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh for a group of people who you would expect to be open minded, the forums often demonstrate the opposite.

I know right. But it's worth it for the ones who appreciate it. There's the whole spectrum of every attitude in this place.

Don’t worry OP, the world needs critical thinkers otherwise we’d all be ignorant sheeple who blindly believe what our trustworthy governments and tycoon controlled media tells us to believe.

Ignore the negative posts buddy, keep on questioning anything and everything you feel doesnt add up.

your posts are sharing your thoughts on these topocs doing it in a non aggressive manner which is cool.

Anyone that trys to belittle you or call you a nutjob or crazy or conspiracy fucktards ect ect are the ones small minded and ignorant,and unable to contribute to a debate with a grown up attitude.

Aw thank you so much, its OK I knew what to expect and can take it. I understand not everyone is able to hear some of this, its too much like putting a goldfish into different water straightaway.

And how many people in how many different organisations were in on this script do you think? It would have to run into hundreds if not thousands of people. Who planted the explosives? Who rigged the planes? Who tipped of the news organisations and who in those organisations knew about it. It’s all just very far fetched and most of it is bordering on the ridiculous.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So why was there military grade nano thermite present in the debris and dust left after the twin towers and WTC7 collapsed?

It's a sad state of affairs if a building can be brought down freefall into its own footprint by a few isolated office fires.

Has anyone explained yet why a conspiracy that sought to justify a war with Iraq didn't fit up any Iraqis?

Oh I see, so you're of the view that there's a general conspiracy by the government to cow and frighten people.

I love the idea the the government planned this day of destruction to remind people of the emergency number. In the nicest possible way don't you think that sounds ever so slightly crazy? "

Not at all. It's just food for thought. What does sound crazy is the official report.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

There's also the point that, in a democratic system, if something like 9/11 happens, it's quite likely the public will think the current government is a bunch of incompetents of letting it happen and vote them out. That's precisely what happened to the Spanish government when there was a terrorist attack there in 2004.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq? "
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Just read the official available report of operation Northwood which was put to President Kennedy by the joint chiefs!.

The plan was basically to hijack us airliners and fly them into buildings in Florida while blaming communist Cubans

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

So why was there military grade nano thermite present in the debris and dust left after the twin towers and WTC7 collapsed?

It's a sad state of affairs if a building can be brought down freefall into its own footprint by a few isolated office fires.

Has anyone explained yet why a conspiracy that sought to justify a war with Iraq didn't fit up any Iraqis?

Oh I see, so you're of the view that there's a general conspiracy by the government to cow and frighten people.

I love the idea the the government planned this day of destruction to remind people of the emergency number. In the nicest possible way don't you think that sounds ever so slightly crazy?

Not at all. It's just food for thought. What does sound crazy is the official report."

Personally I think the US government is in on a conspiracy to re create the Roman Empire. Think how many terms in American politics refer back to that. - Senate, capitol, tribune and so on..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've no idea why people think states are completely innocent and honest when the history of them is littered with dishonesty and cover ups while trying to subdue, experiment, abuse and steal from its own citizens

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

"Oh for a group of people who you would expect to be open minded, the forums often demonstrate the opposite.

I know right. But it's worth it for the ones who appreciate it. There's the whole spectrum of every attitude in this place.

Don’t worry OP, the world needs critical thinkers otherwise we’d all be ignorant sheeple who blindly believe what our trustworthy governments and tycoon controlled media tells us to believe.

Ignore the negative posts buddy, keep on questioning anything and everything you feel doesnt add up.

your posts are sharing your thoughts on these topocs doing it in a non aggressive manner which is cool.

Anyone that trys to belittle you or call you a nutjob or crazy or conspiracy fucktards ect ect are the ones small minded and ignorant,and unable to contribute to a debate with a grown up attitude.

Aw thank you so much, its OK I knew what to expect and can take it. I understand not everyone is able to hear some of this, its too much like putting a goldfish into different water straightaway.

Really? Before I reply do you have an explanation for the building 7 fiasco? That's bordering on the ridiculous.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"I've no idea why people think states are completely innocent and honest when the history of them is littered with dishonesty and cover ups while trying to subdue, experiment, abuse and steal from its own citizens

Who has argued that states never commit crimes? We are arguing whether the state committed a crime in this particular instance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Oh for a group of people who you would expect to be open minded, the forums often demonstrate the opposite.

I know right. But it's worth it for the ones who appreciate it. There's the whole spectrum of every attitude in this place.

Don’t worry OP, the world needs critical thinkers otherwise we’d all be ignorant sheeple who blindly believe what our trustworthy governments and tycoon controlled media tells us to believe.

Ignore the negative posts buddy, keep on questioning anything and everything you feel doesnt add up.

your posts are sharing your thoughts on these topocs doing it in a non aggressive manner which is cool.

Anyone that trys to belittle you or call you a nutjob or crazy or conspiracy fucktards ect ect are the ones small minded and ignorant,and unable to contribute to a debate with a grown up attitude.

Aw thank you so much, its OK I knew what to expect and can take it. I understand not everyone is able to hear some of this, its too much like putting a goldfish into different water straightaway.

Really? Before I reply do you have an explanation for the building 7 fiasco? That's bordering on the ridiculous."

What fiasco would that be then? Building 7 has been discussed further up the thread so I’d just be repeating myself.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq? .

Just read the official available report of operation Northwood which was put to President Kennedy by the joint chiefs!.

The plan was basically to hijack us airliners and fly them into buildings in Florida while blaming communist Cubans"

Oh god, not this again.

This was a very preliminary suggestion that never even got near to being planned. We can probably imagine why.

Also the plans did not include killing US citizens. It included things like mock funerals and fake attacks. Not genuine mass slaughter.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

Nobody thinks that. In fact the more sane amongst us can observe that the US does what it wants most of the time, with very little regard for public opinion, and therefore had no motivation to attack itself.

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By *onnie And Clyde9070Couple over a year ago

Leeds

One tower collapsing would be plausible. Both towers highly improbable. But both towers and WTC7? All three collapsing in an identical manner (also in an identical manner to a controlled demolition) at freefall speed into their own footprint? Someone work out the odds on that one. It never happened before 9/11 and it's not happened since.

Due to the structure of the twin towers they'd have buckled and collapsed in random directions all over the place. But no, they fell vertically down at freefall speed into their own footprint. Not once, not twice but three times in the same day.

Controlled demolition for sure.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"One tower collapsing would be plausible. Both towers highly improbable. But both towers and WTC7? All three collapsing in an identical manner (also in an identical manner to a controlled demolition) at freefall speed into their own footprint? Someone work out the odds on that one. It never happened before 9/11 and it's not happened since.

Controlled demolition for sure."

So there must have been hundreds of people involved in setting up the controlled demolition in the days before. Why did no one see them and why has not one come forward and confessed his involvement?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

I don't care whether or not you agree with it. I really don't. It is my opinion. It seems that whenever someone has an opinion that differs from yours, you challenge them. You can disagree all you like, but don't expect me to try and justify my views to you.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

That's how discussion works. Views are challenged and altered. No one learns anything if one person says x, another person says you and then everyone goes home.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Controlled demolition for sure.

So there must have been hundreds of people involved in setting up the controlled demolition in the days before. Why did no one see them and why has not one come forward and confessed his involvement? "

The central steel structures, housed the elevators. The elevators were being worked on for a few months prior to 9-11.

Again, this might be another coincidence, but they just keep adding up.

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By *andare63Man over a year ago

oldham

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

That's how discussion works. Views are challenged and altered. No one learns anything if one person says x, another person says you and then everyone goes home. "

In a sense you are right. However views don’t always get altered or someone becomes more educated all of a sudden . And sometimes you just have to agree to disagree . Particularly in the realms of conspiracy

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

It's always fun when someone can't answer a question and so resorts to this kind of wriggling

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

That's how discussion works. Views are challenged and altered. No one learns anything if one person says x, another person says you and then everyone goes home. "

There is a difference between "I disagree because" and "You are wrong because".

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

That's how discussion works. Views are challenged and altered. No one learns anything if one person says x, another person says you and then everyone goes home.

There is a difference between "I disagree because" and "You are wrong because". "

If I disagree with you by definition I think you are wrong

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

It's always fun when someone can't answer a question and so resorts to this kind of wriggling

Is that what you think? Really? I wasn't aware I had to justify my views. The way I see it is this :- you can tell me what you think, and I can tell you what I think. Neither of us need explain why we think what we think. That's it. We can disagree, it's allowed.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

" you can tell me what you think, and I can tell you what I think. Neither of us need explain why we think what we think. That's it. We can disagree, it's allowed."

Jesus. So over dramatic.

I asked you a question about your ideas, either answer it or don't. Spare me this waffle about you being allowed an opinion. Asking questions is not the same as being censored or attacked.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

That's how discussion works. Views are challenged and altered. No one learns anything if one person says x, another person says you and then everyone goes home.

There is a difference between "I disagree because" and "You are wrong because".

If I disagree with you by definition I think you are wrong

That isn't really true when it comes to an opinion. If I think something happened this way, and you think it happened a different way, neither of us can say the other is wrong, if neither of us know what really happened. We can only disagree on what we think happened.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

It's always fun when someone can't answer a question and so resorts to this kind of wriggling

If you don't want your views to be challenged may I suggest you don't post them on a public forum.

And you may have noticed that you are telling all of us who believe it was a terrorist attack that we are wrong and we're not getting all upset...

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

That's how discussion works. Views are challenged and altered. No one learns anything if one person says x, another person says you and then everyone goes home.

There is a difference between "I disagree because" and "You are wrong because".

If I disagree with you by definition I think you are wrong

Either the twin towers were destroyed in a terrorist attack or they weren't. I believe there is overwhelming evidence that they were and that anyone who believes otherwise is wrong, in the same way that anyone who believes its possible to travel from England to Australia in one hour is wrong.

You presumably think they were not destroyed in a terrorist attack and that my belief is wrong.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

It's always fun when someone can't answer a question and so resorts to this kind of wriggling

If you don't want your views to be challenged may I suggest you don't post them on a public forum.

And you may have noticed that you are telling all of us who believe it was a terrorist attack that we are wrong and we're not getting all upset... "

I have not told anyone they are wrong. I have also not challenged anyone's views. I have only given my own thoughts on what happened with regards to 9-11.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

That's how discussion works. Views are challenged and altered. No one learns anything if one person says x, another person says you and then everyone goes home.

There is a difference between "I disagree because" and "You are wrong because".

If I disagree with you by definition I think you are wrong

You presumably think they were not destroyed in a terrorist attack and that my belief is wrong. "

I do not agree with you. That's it. I haven't said you are wrong to believe it was a terrorist attack.

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

Interjection -

I just got in now and was at the petrol station. I did a double take when I walked past the newspapers and saw the maim headline "Plot To Subvert Brexit Exposed" - on the Daily Fail of all places - I almost bought it!

Ive believed in leave from the start which isn't popular. Why isn't it popular? Because of all the manipulation from hot air bags on TV and the likes of questionable time, have I got shite for you, who scoff at any thinking deviating from the official narrative no matter how credible.

There is an aggressive campaign to blame everything on brexit. Look at how they are doing everything in their power to force a reversal of a democratic vote. It's abnormal. They are rolling on the floor in agony chewing lemon wasps. Why? Because brexit has ruined the careful plan to melt all nations down into one world state in the name of 'unity' with those reptiles (metaphorical) owning everything.

Then the new £1 which looks exactly like a euro comes out shortly afterwards. I knew straightaway what they're trying to do, condition everyone any way they can to accept Europe. Its subversive. Also they've banned the old £1. When does that ever happen? The old £1 has been removed from the currency entirely so that only coins from 2016 may be used.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interjection -

They do that with all old currency. You can’t use pound notes either or the old £20 £10 or £5 notes. Why would they have two versions of the same coin in circulation, there would be no point in bringing out a new one would there.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interjection -

And it doesn’t look exactly like the Euro at all. The pound is smaller, has 12 sides and the queens head. The only similarity is the silver centre and gold outer. Which the £2 coin has had for years.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq? .

Just read the official available report of operation Northwood which was put to President Kennedy by the joint chiefs!.

The plan was basically to hijack us airliners and fly them into buildings in Florida while blaming communist Cubans

Oh god, not this again.

This was a very preliminary suggestion that never even got near to being planned. We can probably imagine why.

Also the plans did not include killing US citizens. It included things like mock funerals and fake attacks. Not genuine mass slaughter. "
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What are you talking about, it came from the dod and the joint chiefs of staff! How high up do you want to fucking go with a "suggestion" .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

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By *ky19 OP Man over a year ago

Plymouth OYO Hotel

Hmmm well OK. My reasoning is this:

At the time the coin was released I didn't even know what a euro looked like. I handle cash in my work and was given a bunch of £1 coins. It turned out a euro had been mixed in with that and I had to pay the £1.

Keeping the euro, that was when I noticed the similarity, it was similar enough to fool me.

I stand totally by my above post.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Hmmm well OK. My reasoning is this:

Keeping the euro, that was when I noticed the similarity, it was similar enough to fool me.

I stand totally by my above post."

Maybe that says more about your observation skills than the coin. Or maybe you were just on auto pilot in your mundane task of counting coins and weren’t looking for something different.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

That's how discussion works. Views are challenged and altered. No one learns anything if one person says x, another person says you and then everyone goes home.

There is a difference between "I disagree because" and "You are wrong because".

If I disagree with you by definition I think you are wrong

You presumably think they were not destroyed in a terrorist attack and that my belief is wrong.

I do not agree with you. That's it. I haven't said you are wrong to believe it was a terrorist attack."

So you think it could have been a terrorist attack?

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

"Interjection -

If these metaphorical reptiles have a conspiracy for everything can you tell me why they held the referendum in the first place?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"By the way, though this looks like an obsession lol I keep half an eye on what's going on so there's so much I dont know!

2.Malaysia -

From what I understand is that search area is so big due to the depth of which the fuselage is likely to be, making it incredibly hard to find, add in simply the ‘surface area’ & youre not searching for a needle in a haystack, youre searching for a hair in multiple haystacks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Any answers yet on why the US would attack itself when there would have been many much easier, much less damaging ways to justify going into Iraq?

And that was the only way they could make the public feel threatened? There was no way to do that that didn't involve massive loss of life, and losing billions of dollars in economic damage?

That's how discussion works. Views are challenged and altered. No one learns anything if one person says x, another person says you and then everyone goes home.

There is a difference between "I disagree because" and "You are wrong because".

If I disagree with you by definition I think you are wrong

You presumably think they were not destroyed in a terrorist attack and that my belief is wrong.

I do not agree with you. That's it. I haven't said you are wrong to believe it was a terrorist attack.

So you think it could have been a terrorist attack? "

It could have been. I just think that it is more likely that it wasn't. There are too many flags- for me - to totally buy into the official report.

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By *onnie And Clyde9070Couple over a year ago

Leeds

Controlled demolition for sure.

So there must have been hundreds of people involved in setting up the controlled demolition in the days before. Why did no one see them and why has not one come forward and confessed his involvement?

The central steel structures, housed the elevators. The elevators were being worked on for a few months prior to 9-11.

Again, this might be another coincidence, but they just keep adding up."

Also some bizarre acting outfit rented an entire floor for some time before the attack. High security on the lift repairs with no staff allowed entry? Solid steal beams with perfect diagonal cuts? Planes simply melting into skyscrapers?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Controlled demolition for sure.

So there must have been hundreds of people involved in setting up the controlled demolition in the days before. Why did no one see them and why has not one come forward and confessed his involvement?

The central steel structures, housed the elevators. The elevators were being worked on for a few months prior to 9-11.

Again, this might be another coincidence, but they just keep adding up.

Are you saying that the planes didn’t hit the buildings at all?

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By *andare63Man over a year ago

oldham

Controlled demolition for sure.

So there must have been hundreds of people involved in setting up the controlled demolition in the days before. Why did no one see them and why has not one come forward and confessed his involvement?

The central steel structures, housed the elevators. The elevators were being worked on for a few months prior to 9-11.

Again, this might be another coincidence, but they just keep adding up.

Are you saying that the planes didn’t hit the buildings at all? "

Of course they didn’t everyone knows it was a magic show by Copperfield filmed for Vegas ... Don’t they???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Controlled demolition for sure.

So there must have been hundreds of people involved in setting up the controlled demolition in the days before. Why did no one see them and why has not one come forward and confessed his involvement?

The central steel structures, housed the elevators. The elevators were being worked on for a few months prior to 9-11.

Again, this might be another coincidence, but they just keep adding up.

Are you saying that the planes didn’t hit the buildings at all? "

Just type "holographic plane 911" onto YouTube and be amazed at what conspiracy theorist's believe.

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