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"Taking veterans to court for doing their job in Ireland now police reviewing how they chase scumbags on mopeds that Rob and mug.
Only in the UK"
They are also reviewing iraq from the first gulf war and my hubby was there. The MOD have contacted him to say his file is under review so I'm shitting bricks about it. He says He wouldn't change what he did because he did it to keep his mates alive. They should do it for the ira and the Iraq's that would stop them |
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"Wasn't there a program on last night which included a Police Sergeant who was almost prosecuted for chasing a youth on a motorbike doing wheelies on the pavement? Sad times indeed  "
Which is why they are looking at revising the rules around it. The proposed changes are designed to favour the police and relax the policy of not chasing a motorbike/moped when the rider has no helmet on
I'm not sure why the OP is moaning about that? |
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"Wasn't there a program on last night which included a Police Sergeant who was almost prosecuted for chasing a youth on a motorbike doing wheelies on the pavement? Sad times indeed "
A bobby in my force area ended up in crown court because a scrambler rider came off it and got injured when being pursued. He was found not guilty by jury after a lengthy process so the law needed to be changed. That bobby was as highly trained a police driver as you can get. |
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For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags. |
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"For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags."
I went out with a lass whose sister was going out with a Police Sergeant back in the 80's. He even took us all out on my 21'st birthday, and gave a running commentary on road and weather conditions, as they all do now to HQ to make sure it's safe to continue a pursuit. |
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"For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags."
This was from a while ago, at the same time when they said they would t pursue a robbery of under 100£.  when did the police stop wanting to do the job they are asked to do....like be the good guys and catch the bad guys. |
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"For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags.
This was from a while ago, at the same time when they said they would t pursue a robbery of under 100£. when did the police stop wanting to do the job they are asked to do....like be the good guys and catch the bad guys. "
They didn't. Being vilified for decisions made in split second decisions introduced a risk adverse approach.
Accountability, proportionality and legitimate aims should and always will prevail, but realistic expectations from the negative press and public should be expected in return. |
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By *tonMessCouple
over a year ago
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I had a very near miss last night on a busy roundabout with a motorcyclist... how I stopped and missed him I do not know, if I had hit him I doubt either him or me would be here to tell the tale. Luckily there was an unmarked police car behind me.... he stuck his blue lights on and jumped out of the car to come to me... my initial response was to cry it had shook me up that much. He assured me I was definitely not at fault and he had it all on dashcam, not to worry. In converstion he said they will never persue a motorbike as its just too dangerous. Instead they rely on cctv and dashcams but he said its highly unlikely the idiot I almost totalled who get more than a warning letter in the post.
So wrong.
He really was riding wrecklessly and almost killed himself and probably me too had I not stopped as quick.
The policeman was really sweet and praised my driving which made me feel a bit better. |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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"For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags.
This was from a while ago, at the same time when they said they would t pursue a robbery of under 100£. when did the police stop wanting to do the job they are asked to do....like be the good guys and catch the bad guys.
They didn't. Being vilified for decisions made in split second decisions introduced a risk adverse approach.
Accountability, proportionality and legitimate aims should and always will prevail, but realistic expectations from the negative press and public should be expected in return."
Accountability? By whom?
The thieving scumbags don't carry out any Accountability nor Proportionate logic when nicking stuff or mugging people.
So why can't the Police be allowed to pursue these criminals and if one, two, three or more come off their escape bikes and get injured or are even killed, then I'll shed no tears. They deserve all they get! |
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"Taking veterans to court for doing their job in Ireland now police reviewing how they chase scumbags on mopeds that Rob and mug.
Only in the UK"
So what are you aiming for? To be like israel where the army and police can just murder people at will?
Is that what you are advocating here? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags.
This was from a while ago, at the same time when they said they would t pursue a robbery of under 100£. when did the police stop wanting to do the job they are asked to do....like be the good guys and catch the bad guys.
They didn't. Being vilified for decisions made in split second decisions introduced a risk adverse approach.
Accountability, proportionality and legitimate aims should and always will prevail, but realistic expectations from the negative press and public should be expected in return.
Accountability? By whom?
The thieving scumbags don't carry out any Accountability nor Proportionate logic when nicking stuff or mugging people.
So why can't the Police be allowed to pursue these criminals and if one, two, three or more come off their escape bikes and get injured or are even killed, then I'll shed no tears. They deserve all they get!"
Unfortunately that is a minority view. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags.
This was from a while ago, at the same time when they said they would t pursue a robbery of under 100£. when did the police stop wanting to do the job they are asked to do....like be the good guys and catch the bad guys. "
1 word answer - Austerity.
But the police didn't stop wanting to do the job, lack of resources just makes it impossible |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags.
This was from a while ago, at the same time when they said they would t pursue a robbery of under 100£. when did the police stop wanting to do the job they are asked to do....like be the good guys and catch the bad guys.
They didn't. Being vilified for decisions made in split second decisions introduced a risk adverse approach.
Accountability, proportionality and legitimate aims should and always will prevail, but realistic expectations from the negative press and public should be expected in return.
Accountability? By whom?
The thieving scumbags don't carry out any Accountability nor Proportionate logic when nicking stuff or mugging people.
So why can't the Police be allowed to pursue these criminals and if one, two, three or more come off their escape bikes and get injured or are even killed, then I'll shed no tears. They deserve all they get!"
Because it;s not just the criminal that gets injured or killed and when the crimnal crashes in to your partner, or your parent, or your child and leaves them dead or with life changing injuries, the first question asked is "why the fuck did the police think chasing them was a good idea?"
There isn't a person alive that would place the need to catch some shit on a moped above their loved ones well being.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags.
This was from a while ago, at the same time when they said they would t pursue a robbery of under 100£. when did the police stop wanting to do the job they are asked to do....like be the good guys and catch the bad guys. "
Well that’s nonsense to be honest. Low value thefts such as below a tenner or so will not be pursued because it’s not in the public interest unless the victim is classed as vulnerable in some way. Any “robbery” ie, theft with violence used before or at the time of the offence is investigated because it’s a more serious offence. And the bobbies doing the chasing would love to ram scramblers off the road but unfortunately they are governed by police which comes from government. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags.
This was from a while ago, at the same time when they said they would t pursue a robbery of under 100£. when did the police stop wanting to do the job they are asked to do....like be the good guys and catch the bad guys.
Well that’s nonsense to be honest. Low value thefts such as below a tenner or so will not be pursued because it’s not in the public interest unless the victim is classed as vulnerable in some way. Any “robbery” ie, theft with violence used before or at the time of the offence is investigated because it’s a more serious offence. And the bobbies doing the chasing would love to ram scramblers off the road but unfortunately they are governed by police which comes from government."
Policy even |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags.
This was from a while ago, at the same time when they said they would t pursue a robbery of under 100£. when did the police stop wanting to do the job they are asked to do....like be the good guys and catch the bad guys.
They didn't. Being vilified for decisions made in split second decisions introduced a risk adverse approach.
Accountability, proportionality and legitimate aims should and always will prevail, but realistic expectations from the negative press and public should be expected in return.
Accountability? By whom?
The thieving scumbags don't carry out any Accountability nor Proportionate logic when nicking stuff or mugging people.
So why can't the Police be allowed to pursue these criminals and if one, two, three or more come off their escape bikes and get injured or are even killed, then I'll shed no tears. They deserve all they get!
Because it;s not just the criminal that gets injured or killed and when the crimnal crashes in to your partner, or your parent, or your child and leaves them dead or with life changing injuries, the first question asked is "why the fuck did the police think chasing them was a good idea?"
There isn't a person alive that would place the need to catch some shit on a moped above their loved ones well being.
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Thankyou. And that's where the whole justified, proportionate and necessary stuff comes in.
Chase the bike that stole a £100 mobile phone, and knock down the kid crossing the road who wasn't looking? Yeah the officers wanted to catch the criminal, but restraint, looking at the bigger picture and using other means to resolve the incident is what differentiates them from the criminal. |
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"Wasn't there a program on last night which included a Police Sergeant who was almost prosecuted for chasing a youth on a motorbike doing wheelies on the pavement? Sad times indeed
Which is why they are looking at revising the rules around it. The proposed changes are designed to favour the police and relax the policy of not chasing a motorbike/moped when the rider has no helmet on
I'm not sure why the OP is moaning about that? "
I'm mot moaning about it, if you break the law you take whats coming if your stupid enough to race through the steets on a bike without a helmet and you come off and get hurt, tuff, no sympathy from me, the police are trying to do a job that's hard enough as it is, don't break the law and you wont get chased simples |
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"Taking veterans to court for doing their job in Ireland now police reviewing how they chase scumbags on mopeds that Rob and mug.
Only in the UK
So what are you aiming for? To be like israel where the army and police can just murder people at will?
so a british soldier gets sent to a war zone kills the enemy that makes him a murderer does it have you ever been in a war zone ? have you ever had rounds raining down on you most likely not well I have and as far as I'm concerned it me or them its nothing to do with murder or torture its a job that very few could or want to do, its tank chasing bastards looking for easy money
Is that what you are advocating here?"
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"Because it;s not just the criminal that gets injured or killed and when the crimnal crashes in to your partner, or your parent, or your child and leaves them dead or with life changing injuries, the first question asked is "why the fuck did the police think chasing them was a good idea?"
There isn't a person alive that would place the need to catch some shit on a moped above their loved ones well being."
Bingo. It’s all about proportionality and the fact that there are other ways to catch criminals.
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You’ve seen it for yourself on countless Poluce camera TV shows. Some people will do /anything/ to evade capture, including putting innocent members of the public at risk. All Police pursuits are subject to dynamic risk assessments by the control room, the driver, and their passenger. These risk assessments take various things into consideration but, when the subject vehicle deliberately puts the public in harms way, it’ll likely tip the balance regardless of other factors. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As serving member of the armed forces this witch hunt is really boiling my piss
I agree 100%"
government sends us to austere environments then expects us to take the blame |
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we all realise that public safety comes first its just scumbags will know if they do break the law and are chased they'll know the chances of getting captured will be very slim so they'll just do it all the more. its something that needs seriously looking at |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"we all realise that public safety comes first its just scumbags will know if they do break the law and are chased they'll know the chances of getting captured will be very slim so they'll just do it all the more. its something that needs seriously looking at"
You still seem to be missing that that is exactly what is being proposed? |
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"Because it;s not just the criminal that gets injured or killed and when the crimnal crashes in to your partner, or your parent, or your child and leaves them dead or with life changing injuries, the first question asked is "why the fuck did the police think chasing them was a good idea?"
There isn't a person alive that would place the need to catch some shit on a moped above their loved ones well being.
Bingo. It’s all about proportionality and the fact that there are other ways to catch criminals.
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You’ve seen it for yourself on countless Poluce camera TV shows. Some people will do /anything/ to evade capture, including putting innocent members of the public at risk. All Police pursuits are subject to dynamic risk assessments by the control room, the driver, and their passenger. These risk assessments take various things into consideration but, when the subject vehicle deliberately puts the public in harms way, it’ll likely tip the balance regardless of other factors."
I drive for a living and see some really poor examples of driving and altho police drivers are highly skilled drivers the idiots they are chasing aren't and think nothing of putting others lives at risk. Somenof the public seem to think giving up on a high speed chase is wrong but it would b a different story if one of their family was caught in the crossefire. X |
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"we all realise that public safety comes first its just scumbags will know if they do break the law and are chased they'll know the chances of getting captured will be very slim so they'll just do it all the more. its something that needs seriously looking at
You still seem to be missing that that is exactly what is being proposed?"
yes even I realise that, doesn't stop people get pissed off by it though |
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"Taking veterans to court for doing their job in Ireland now police reviewing how they chase scumbags on mopeds that Rob and mug.
Only in the UK
They are also reviewing iraq from the first gulf war and my hubby was there. The MOD have contacted him to say his file is under review so I'm shitting bricks about it. He says He wouldn't change what he did because he did it to keep his mates alive. They should do it for the ira and the Iraq's that would stop them "
Our lads should have got the top secret pardon that was given to others.
They go out to an awful country to do a job, then have to worry about what they are doing out in patrol.
This country gets worse instead of better. |
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"For those wondering wtf this is about, there is a blanket policy that police will not pursue fleeing motorcycles/mopeds because of the increased risk to the thieving, robbing little scumbags."
And the innocent bystanders who are knocked down by either party involved. As I see it, that’s the bigger problem. They didn’t ‘choose’ to get involved in a police pursuit. |
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I work in a job where my actions are reviewed all of the time. Transparency is vital in maintaining the trust of the people who use our services. Although people say that they just want results, the reality is that they also want to know, and see, that the way we achieved those results was fair, ethically sound, and that we abided by all of the rules. If you have done your job according to the rules you are given, reviews are nothing to be worried about.
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The difficulty comes when people use emotive language like ‘witch hunt’, and assume that reviews are designed to see wrong where there is none. As part of any trustworthy system, reviews are a necessary part of the checks and balances that need to be in place to ensure that things remain as they should. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I work in a job where my actions are reviewed all of the time. Transparency is vital in maintaining the trust of the people who use our services. Although people say that they just want results, the reality is that they also want to know, and see, that the way we achieved those results was fair, ethically sound, and that we abided by all of the rules. If you have done your job according to the rules you are given, reviews are nothing to be worried about.
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The difficulty comes when people use emotive language like ‘witch hunt’, and assume that reviews are designed to see wrong where there is none. As part of any trustworthy system, reviews are a necessary part of the checks and balances that need to be in place to ensure that things remain as they should."
do you not follow the news the solicitor that started it all was done for staging the enquiry it's bollocks you can't send troops to war then prosecute them for doing their job, look at the northern Ireland conflict and the good Friday agreement the terrorists got away Scott free yet the soldiers aren't protected by the same agreement and are facing prison for doing their job |
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"...look at the northern Ireland conflict and the good Friday agreement the terrorists got away Scott free yet the soldiers aren't protected by the same agreement and are facing prison for doing their job"
They’re not facing prison for doing their job; they’re facing investigation for allegedly acting outside of the rules of engagement. If they were following a lawful order, or acting within the RoE there should be no case to answer.
You’re quite correct though that terrorists are not facing any scrutiny. That, however, is often the price of ‘peace’. It stinks that soldiers will need to defend their actions when those they were fighting will not, but a small number may well not be innocent. |
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