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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Could be the title of a book or film. It's not though, just the title of this thread. I have been wondering how others perceive themselves and their place in society. What do people care about? Do people think that the direction that the human race are taking is one that will be beneficial for all or just a few. Do you think our place on earth is one to be proud of or disgusted at. Do people think about their part in the history of mankind or do you concern yourself with your own immediate life bubble. How do you see life? How do you see our existance? I'd like to hear your thoughts on how you all see life, society, civilisation, your place, your thoughts on the future. I hope that people will engage in this thread and can share their thoughts. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"History is always repeating itself. Different times, different people and different perspectives but it is always the same story in the end. "
Is it a story that needs to produce a different ending? |
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"History is always repeating itself. Different times, different people and different perspectives but it is always the same story in the end.
Is it a story that needs to produce a different ending?"
Good question!
Well I think if we can't take lesson of the past in order to avoid to reproduce the same mistakes it is where the problem lays.
If we can't get to another outcome, how can we be sure that a different ending would be beneficial ? |
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We're just miniscule parasites doing our bit good or bad to keep this big ball of rock spinning in the universe. Each one of us is a tiny but important part of this life, we may feel our actions are insignificant but as with the butterfly effect, the tiniest action can have a momentous impact.
Live with a smile, be mindful, the next thing you do could be the beginning of something huge...
Peach x
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"OP, what's your view on the Hobbes v Rousseau debate? Pretty much everything you asked can be answered from that point. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"History is always repeating itself. Different times, different people and different perspectives but it is always the same story in the end.
Is it a story that needs to produce a different ending?
Good question!
Well I think if we can't take lesson of the past in order to avoid to reproduce the same mistakes it is where the problem lays.
If we can't get to another outcome, how can we be sure that a different ending would be beneficial ? "
Mmmm....is the same ending beneficial? Do we fear another path? |
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"Could be the title of a book or film. It's not though, just the title of this thread. I have been wondering how others perceive themselves and their place in society. What do people care about? Do people think that the direction that the human race are taking is one that will be beneficial for all or just a few. Do you think our place on earth is one to be proud of or disgusted at. Do people think about their part in the history of mankind or do you concern yourself with your own immediate life bubble. How do you see life? How do you see our existance? I'd like to hear your thoughts on how you all see life, society, civilisation, your place, your thoughts on the future. I hope that people will engage in this thread and can share their thoughts. "
Funnily enough been thinking about this a lot recently! Too big a subject to discuss on a forum, needs a few hours over a few drinks one evening! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"We're just miniscule parasites doing our bit good or bad to keep this big ball of rock spinning in the universe. Each one of us is a tiny but important part of this life, we may feel our actions are insignificant but as with the butterfly effect, the tiniest action can have a momentous impact.
Live with a smile, be mindful, the next thing you do could be the beginning of something huge...
Peach x
*going back to bed "
Thanks Peach. Enjoy snoozes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"History is always repeating itself. Different times, different people and different perspectives but it is always the same story in the end.
Is it a story that needs to produce a different ending?
Good question!
Well I think if we can't take lesson of the past in order to avoid to reproduce the same mistakes it is where the problem lays.
If we can't get to another outcome, how can we be sure that a different ending would be beneficial ?
Mmmm....is the same ending beneficial? Do we fear another path?"
Not sure it is tbh. But that's just an opinion.
Yes most people fear the unknown. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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We're an infestation on a beautiful planet, causing disease and destruction.
When we are gone the endeavours to become rich and powerful, by the rich and powerful, will leave behind nothing but the scars of their greed.
Hopefully, it won't take Mother Nature too long to repair the damage. |
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"OP, what's your view on the Hobbes v Rousseau debate? Pretty much everything you asked can be answered from that point.
I'm interested in the views of other fabbers. "
In that case, Hobbes was right. I'm incredibly proud of what the human race has achieved. Anyone who thinks that 'just a few' are benefiting is ignorant of history. Things can always be improved, but there's no decade in history that 99% of people would seriously prefer to live in than the present one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's not 'just' an opinion. It's your opinion and it matters.  "
Thank you, I was on the verge of swallowing a packet of immodium because I thought that no body cares about my opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"OP, what's your view on the Hobbes v Rousseau debate? Pretty much everything you asked can be answered from that point.
I'm interested in the views of other fabbers.
In that case, Hobbes was right. I'm incredibly proud of what the human race has achieved. Anyone who thinks that 'just a few' are benefiting is ignorant of history. Things can always be improved, but there's no decade in history that 99% of people would seriously prefer to live in than the present one. "
I'm not sure Hobbes was right. |
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"OP, what's your view on the Hobbes v Rousseau debate? Pretty much everything you asked can be answered from that point.
I'm interested in the views of other fabbers.
In that case, Hobbes was right. I'm incredibly proud of what the human race has achieved. Anyone who thinks that 'just a few' are benefiting is ignorant of history. Things can always be improved, but there's no decade in history that 99% of people would seriously prefer to live in than the present one.
I'm not sure Hobbes was right. "
If you think of it like a scale, the archaeological evidence is overwhelmingly on the Hobbes side, even if he wasn't 100% right. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"OP, what's your view on the Hobbes v Rousseau debate? Pretty much everything you asked can be answered from that point.
I'm interested in the views of other fabbers.
In that case, Hobbes was right. I'm incredibly proud of what the human race has achieved. Anyone who thinks that 'just a few' are benefiting is ignorant of history. Things can always be improved, but there's no decade in history that 99% of people would seriously prefer to live in than the present one.
I'm not sure Hobbes was right.
If you think of it like a scale, the archaeological evidence is overwhelmingly on the Hobbes side, even if he wasn't 100% right. "
I think these are out dated views for today. |
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Humans have been on earth for just a tiny fraction of the earth's lifespan - homo sapiens for just a few hundred thousand years. We've been incredibly destructive in that time, leading potentially to another mass extinction event in the near future.
We've also caused near catastrophic global warming in a couple of hundred years, pollution that affects ourselves and other species and spawned a population of billions, where most are in poverty and basic essential needs scarce for them. A select few have excessive assets and help to fuel damage to the world for all species, including humans.
Evolution of humans is somewhat stalled - of course it's still happening - but the species would probably be better off if it became extinct quickly. This would support the rest of the planet's species to live and prosper without us. |
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"OP, what's your view on the Hobbes v Rousseau debate? Pretty much everything you asked can be answered from that point.
I'm interested in the views of other fabbers.
In that case, Hobbes was right. I'm incredibly proud of what the human race has achieved. Anyone who thinks that 'just a few' are benefiting is ignorant of history. Things can always be improved, but there's no decade in history that 99% of people would seriously prefer to live in than the present one.
I'm not sure Hobbes was right.
If you think of it like a scale, the archaeological evidence is overwhelmingly on the Hobbes side, even if he wasn't 100% right.
I think these are out dated views for today. "
Do you say that because there's some new scientific literature you think i haven't read and you could recommend to me? Or because you don't like the answer that the evidence gives you? |
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Read Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari for an interesting view on the place of humans in earth's history.
It seems to me on a purely human level we're destined to repeat the same pattern over and over. The majority work to support the minority. Poverty, hardship and cruelty will always be accepted as inevitable by the majority (as long as they aren't the ones suffering).
Individually humans can be wonderfully giving, loving and caring. Once in organised groups they mostly become interested in the survival of that group.
Religion of some sort will always exist.
My place in all of this is no more than one of the tiny cogs that keeps a mammoth machine clumsily lumbering along until it eventually breaks down completely and ceases to work. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"OP, what's your view on the Hobbes v Rousseau debate? Pretty much everything you asked can be answered from that point.
I'm interested in the views of other fabbers.
In that case, Hobbes was right. I'm incredibly proud of what the human race has achieved. Anyone who thinks that 'just a few' are benefiting is ignorant of history. Things can always be improved, but there's no decade in history that 99% of people would seriously prefer to live in than the present one.
I'm not sure Hobbes was right.
If you think of it like a scale, the archaeological evidence is overwhelmingly on the Hobbes side, even if he wasn't 100% right.
I think these are out dated views for today.
Do you say that because there's some new scientific literature you think i haven't read and you could recommend to me? Or because you don't like the answer that the evidence gives you? "
I don't like the theory and its just that, a theory and view of society at that time. So regardless of 'evidence', i believe a 17th Century theory is that of a different time. I'm an environmentalist and that ideology drives my views of society and our place on earth. |
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"OP, what's your view on the Hobbes v Rousseau debate? Pretty much everything you asked can be answered from that point.
I'm interested in the views of other fabbers.
In that case, Hobbes was right. I'm incredibly proud of what the human race has achieved. Anyone who thinks that 'just a few' are benefiting is ignorant of history. Things can always be improved, but there's no decade in history that 99% of people would seriously prefer to live in than the present one.
I'm not sure Hobbes was right.
If you think of it like a scale, the archaeological evidence is overwhelmingly on the Hobbes side, even if he wasn't 100% right.
I think these are out dated views for today.
Do you say that because there's some new scientific literature you think i haven't read and you could recommend to me? Or because you don't like the answer that the evidence gives you?
I don't like the theory and its just that, a theory and view of society at that time. So regardless of 'evidence', i believe a 17th Century theory is that of a different time. I'm an environmentalist and that ideology drives my views of society and our place on earth. "
What you've said doesn't actually make any sense. But as you've explained, you get your ideas from ideology and hope the evidence fits afterwards. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I'm not sure where you are going with this. I have completely different views on the subject. Ones which i haven't actually disclosed yet, so not sure how you have come to a conclusion on my views. As for Hobbes. I think its nonsense. The world is a different place nearly four centuries later. The way our society is going, is, in my view the wrong direction. We are a society that is driven by money and greed. Not by need but by want. One which is spiralling out of control. One which is going to cause a human and ecological disaster. The problem we have though requires a solution that would change life as we know it forever. Unfortunately fear prevents any significant change. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"History is always repeating itself. Different times, different people and different perspectives but it is always the same story in the end.
Is it a story that needs to produce a different ending?
Good question!
Well I think if we can't take lesson of the past in order to avoid to reproduce the same mistakes it is where the problem lays.
If we can't get to another outcome, how can we be sure that a different ending would be beneficial ?
Mmmm....is the same ending beneficial? Do we fear another path?"
I think as collective humans we are incapable of taking another path hence the recurring theme of rise and fall of empires. Greed and power of one type or another always gets us in the end. |
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I think we are the pinnacle of billions of year of evolution and this comes at a price our scientific expertise has developed faster than our political institutions.We are children still and have a similar chance of survival.This is probably common throughout the universe.we are at a bottle neck where technology can either destroy us or save us.The fact that the universe is silent is ominous. |
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"Let's imagine... if you glimpsed the future, you were frightened by what you saw, what would you do with that information?
You would go to... the politicians, captains of industry? And how would you convince them? Data? Facts? Good luck!
The only facts they won't challenge are the ones that keep the wheels greased and the dollars rolling in. But what if... what if there was a way of skipping the middle man and putting the critical news directly into everyone's head?
The probability of wide-spread annihilation kept going up. The only way to stop it was to show it. To scare people straight. Because, what reasonable human being wouldn't be galvanized by the potential destruction of everything they've ever known or loved? To save civilization, I would show its collapse. But, how do you think this vision was received? How do you think people responded to the prospect of imminent doom?
They gobbled it up like a chocolate eclair!
They didn't fear their demise, they re-packaged it. It could be enjoyed as video-games, as TV shows, books, movies, the entire world wholeheartedly embraced the apocalypse and sprinted towards it with gleeful abandon.
Meanwhile, your Earth was crumbling all around you.
You've got simultaneous epidemics of obesity and starvation. Explain that one! Bees and butterflies start to disappear, the glaciers melt, algae blooms. All around you the coal mine canaries are dropping dead and you won't take the hint!
In every moment there's the possibility of a better future, but you people won't believe it. And because you won't believe it you won't do what is necessary to make it a reality. So, you dwell on this terrible future. You resign yourselves to it for one reason, because *THAT FUTURE DOES NOT ASK ANYTHING OF YOU TODAY*.
So yes, we saw the iceberg and warned the Titanic. But you all just steered for it anyway, full steam ahead. Why? Because you want to sink! You gave up"
- general hix (movie tomorrowland)
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