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So the most popular newspaper is the Sun , and it’s universally slated by the fab forumites , same goes for Jeremy Clarkson who ITV clearly thought would be a good choice for the majority .
Over our seven years on fab we’ve noticed a definite trend on here for everyone to be pretty much anti everything that’s otherwise popular .
Do you think it’s because we engage in an activity ( swinging ) that’s not so popular ? If so it hasn’t worked out for us at all as we love The Sun , and Jeremy Clarkson , but then having said that , most of the people we have met seem to be more like us .... very odd . |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
I'm not sure it's the case that swingers or anyone for that matter are particularly "anti" anything as such - more that people tend to more readily express negative opinions regarding things in general and they stand out more than the positives.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I have no opinion either way on the sun, or jeremy clarkson and I wouldnt join a thread that was slating either..
I do think it has a lot to do with the 'follow the crowd' mentality of some folk but i have never been a part of the 'say the same as everyone else to fit in' lot... |
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"So the most popular newspaper is the Sun , and it’s universally slated by the fab forumites , same goes for Jeremy Clarkson who ITV clearly thought would be a good choice for the majority .
Over our seven years on fab we’ve noticed a definite trend on here for everyone to be pretty much anti everything that’s otherwise popular .
Do you think it’s because we engage in an activity ( swinging ) that’s not so popular ? If so it hasn’t worked out for us at all as we love The Sun , and Jeremy Clarkson , but then having said that , most of the people we have met seem to be more like us .... very odd . "
I'm with you on this . Although I have just started a similar thread too lol. If I'm honest ( and I really shouldn't be ) I see at as certain people want to sound more interesting hence the " I hate the Sun it's for mindless sheep " . It's mainly just bollocks to sound sexier to the opposite sex . I don't have an issue with any newspaper at all and certainly wouldn't judge a person by what paper they read . That's nonsense . Judge people by how they treat you , and that they don't lie and feed bullshit to you . |
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The forums are made up of around 0.5% of the fab community, of that 0.5% around 16% are regular posters of that 16% around 10% are highly strung liberal lefty right wing Nazis who would fall out with they're own Shadow.
Another 10% are complete hypocrites who'd say anything perceived popular for a shag.
About 40% will just go along with the flow because they can't be arsed arguing.
30% are keyboard warriors determined to have any argument with anymore because there on there "other profile" and don't mind getting banned or looking a knob.
40% misfits and outpatients from the local mental hospital.
7% are Gramma Nazis who scowl every line waiting to pounce on some poor fuckers misspellings despite everybody understanding what they wrote in the first place.
And around 1% are statisticians that realise most stats are bollocks including some of these
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Although I concede its a generalisation the fact that we are swingers means that we are already outside the mainstream and have decided to eschew conventional lifestyles.
I'm guessing this unconventional approach works for other aspects of ones life.
PS Fuck Clarkson  |
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"The forums are made up of around 0.5% of the fab community, of that 0.5% around 16% are regular posters of that 16% around 10% are highly strung liberal lefty right wing Nazis who would fall out with they're own Shadow.
Another 10% are complete hypocrites who'd say anything perceived popular for a shag.
About 40% will just go along with the flow because they can't be arsed arguing.
30% are keyboard warriors determined to have any argument with anymore because there on there "other profile" and don't mind getting banned or looking a knob.
40% misfits and outpatients from the local mental hospital.
7% are Gramma Nazis who scowl every line waiting to pounce on some poor fuckers misspellings despite everybody understanding what they wrote in the first place.
And around 1% are statisticians that realise most stats are bollocks including some of these
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A brilliant statistical piece of genius  |
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"Although I concede its a generalisation the fact that we are swingers means that we are already outside the mainstream and have decided to eschew conventional lifestyles.
I'm guessing this unconventional approach works for other aspects of ones life.
PS Fuck Clarkson "
I wouldn’t , but my wife might |
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"The forums are made up of around 0.5% of the fab community, of that 0.5% around 16% are regular posters of that 16% around 10% are highly strung liberal lefty right wing Nazis who would fall out with they're own Shadow.
Another 10% are complete hypocrites who'd say anything perceived popular for a shag.
About 40% will just go along with the flow because they can't be arsed arguing.
30% are keyboard warriors determined to have any argument with anymore because there on there "other profile" and don't mind getting banned or looking a knob.
40% misfits and outpatients from the local mental hospital.
7% are Gramma Nazis who scowl every line waiting to pounce on some poor fuckers misspellings despite everybody understanding what they wrote in the first place.
And around 1% are statisticians that realise most stats are bollocks including some of these
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Brilliant! |
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"Although I concede its a generalisation the fact that we are swingers means that we are already outside the mainstream and have decided to eschew conventional lifestyles.
I'm guessing this unconventional approach works for other aspects of ones life.
PS Fuck Clarkson "
But what if Clarkson is a swinger? |
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Unless it's something that has very wide appeal - such as cake - I think the majority of posts are going to highlight things that are disliked. We're also biased about what grabs our attention: we don't have an observation and recall system in our heads that's free of attentional bias. We therefore pick up on things, such as trends and influences, if we had a robot as an observer, wouldn't notice. We take things out of context and proportion, amongst other things.
There's likely to be some snobbery going on - someone who reads the Telegraph, for example, disliking the Sun's populism.
It's also easier to dislike something if it's very distinct, rather than much like other things. Jeremy Clarkson works hard at making himself stand out. By contrast, there are many local television presenters that I only vaguely recall, even if I've viewed them as much as Clarkson. The Sun is also distinct from the other newspapers: it's worked at that for years. I think the 2 examples given have got this in common and that there are several other factors that will influence some people to dislike them, or state this here. |
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"I'm not sure it's the case that swingers or anyone for that matter are particularly "anti" anything as such - more that people tend to more readily express negative opinions regarding things in general and they stand out more than the positives.
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Spot on this. |
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"If I'm honest ( and I really shouldn't be ) I see at as certain people want to sound more interesting hence the " I hate the Sun it's for mindless sheep " . It's mainly just bollocks to sound sexier to the opposite sex . I don't have an issue with any newspaper at all and certainly wouldn't judge a person by what paper they read . That's nonsense . Judge people by how they treat you , and that they don't lie and feed bullshit to you ."
What a load of tosh. I hate The Sun, and The Daily Mail, too. I absolutely judge people for reading them. They’re nasty rags, and if you can’t see them for what they are, there’s something wrong with you.
Now, tell me, how on Earth does saying that in any way seem like an attempt to seem more attractive to the opposite sex? Get a grip. It’s as likely to put people off me. You claim to be opposed to judging people based on anything other than how they treat you, while you yourself judge people (wildly wrongly) based on the fact that they’ve expressed their opinion on a discussion forum. Quite the own goal.
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As for the original premise in the OP, that’s tosh too. The Sun and Jeremy Clarkson may be very popular, but you can be popular with millions of people, and those people still be in the minority. Less than 1 in 30 people buy The Sun. It’s hardly a niche opinion to say that it’s a shit-rag. Same for Jeremy Clarkson; for as many people watch his programmes, most hate him.
This forum is not a hotbed of leftfield opinion. Take away the sex topics (and let’s face it, most of them are like a school playground game of ‘kids, cuddle, or torture’, anyway) and it’s a pretty grey, staid, middle-of-the-road place, as far as the discussions go. |
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"If I'm honest ( and I really shouldn't be ) I see at as certain people want to sound more interesting hence the " I hate the Sun it's for mindless sheep " . It's mainly just bollocks to sound sexier to the opposite sex . I don't have an issue with any newspaper at all and certainly wouldn't judge a person by what paper they read . That's nonsense . Judge people by how they treat you , and that they don't lie and feed bullshit to you .
What a load of tosh. I hate The Sun, and The Daily Mail, too. I absolutely judge people for reading them. They’re nasty rags, and if you can’t see them for what they are, there’s something wrong with you.
Now, tell me, how on Earth does saying that in any way seem like an attempt to seem more attractive to the opposite sex? Get a grip. It’s as likely to put people off me. You claim to be opposed to judging people based on anything other than how they treat you, while you yourself judge people (wildly wrongly) based on the fact that they’ve expressed their opinion on a discussion forum. Quite the own goal.
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As for the original premise in the OP, that’s tosh too. The Sun and Jeremy Clarkson may be very popular, but you can be popular with millions of people, and those people still be in the minority. Less than 1 in 30 people buy The Sun. It’s hardly a niche opinion to say that it’s a shit-rag. Same for Jeremy Clarkson; for as many people watch his programmes, most hate him.
This forum is not a hotbed of leftfield opinion. Take away the sex topics (and let’s face it, most of them are like a school playground game of ‘kids, cuddle, or torture’, anyway) and it’s a pretty grey, staid, middle-of-the-road place, as far as the discussions go."
Generally correct, but in terms of general opinions, the country is pretty much split down the middle. As we saw from the brexit vote and the fact that both major parties are each supported by about forty per cent of voters, those who hold sun / Clarkson type opinions and those who hate such opinions is pretty much equal.
I have never know the country to be so strongly devided into two factions. That's Cameron's lasting gift to the nation. |
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I don’t think newspaper choice is an unreasonable thing to judge on tbh. It wouldn’t be like making a judgement because they like something mainstream but neutral, like Ed Sheeran for example . It’s the most partisan form of media and whether you’re reading the Sun, Daily Mail or Guardian it’s because it correlates with your own views. Even on a NSA basis I’d avoid getting it on with anyone whose views I found abhorrent and choice of reading matter would be a good indicator of those. It’d work the other way too and people will be less attracted to me because of mine, and that’s ok as we’d be unlikely to gel very well anyway |
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"So the most popular newspaper is the Sun , and it’s universally slated by the fab forumites , same goes for Jeremy Clarkson who ITV clearly thought would be a good choice for the majority .
Over our seven years on fab we’ve noticed a definite trend on here for everyone to be pretty much anti everything that’s otherwise popular .
Do you think it’s because we engage in an activity ( swinging ) that’s not so popular ? If so it hasn’t worked out for us at all as we love The Sun , and Jeremy Clarkson , but then having said that , most of the people we have met seem to be more like us .... very odd . "
No! Its just usual internet forum behaviour! If you can let people know that you don't like what the popular choice is, you can kid yourself that you're superior to the populous. |
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"The forums are made up of around 0.5% of the fab community, of that 0.5% around 16% are regular posters of that 16% around 10% are highly strung liberal lefty right wing Nazis who would fall out with they're own Shadow.
Another 10% are complete hypocrites who'd say anything perceived popular for a shag.
About 40% will just go along with the flow because they can't be arsed arguing.
30% are keyboard warriors determined to have any argument with anymore because there on there "other profile" and don't mind getting banned or looking a knob.
40% misfits and outpatients from the local mental hospital.
7% are Gramma Nazis who scowl every line waiting to pounce on some poor fuckers misspellings despite everybody understanding what they wrote in the first place.
And around 1% are statisticians that realise most stats are bollocks including some of these
"
It's 'grammar nazis'. Tsk! |
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"So the most popular newspaper is the Sun , and it’s universally slated by the fab forumites , same goes for Jeremy Clarkson who ITV clearly thought would be a good choice for the majority .
Over our seven years on fab we’ve noticed a definite trend on here for everyone to be pretty much anti everything that’s otherwise popular .
Do you think it’s because we engage in an activity ( swinging ) that’s not so popular ? If so it hasn’t worked out for us at all as we love The Sun , and Jeremy Clarkson , but then having said that , most of the people we have met seem to be more like us .... very odd . "
Perhaps it's because we are more open minded and able to educate ourselves enough to know that the sun is base level journalism at its worst and that Jeremy Clarkson is a boorish oaf. |
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"If I'm honest ( and I really shouldn't be ) I see at as certain people want to sound more interesting hence the " I hate the Sun it's for mindless sheep " . It's mainly just bollocks to sound sexier to the opposite sex . I don't have an issue with any newspaper at all and certainly wouldn't judge a person by what paper they read . That's nonsense . Judge people by how they treat you , and that they don't lie and feed bullshit to you .
What a load of tosh. I hate The Sun, and The Daily Mail, too. I absolutely judge people for reading them. They’re nasty rags, and if you can’t see them for what they are, there’s something wrong with you.
Now, tell me, how on Earth does saying that in any way seem like an attempt to seem more attractive to the opposite sex? Get a grip. It’s as likely to put people off me. You claim to be opposed to judging people based on anything other than how they treat you, while you yourself judge people (wildly wrongly) based on the fact that they’ve expressed their opinion on a discussion forum. Quite the own goal.
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As for the original premise in the OP, that’s tosh too. The Sun and Jeremy Clarkson may be very popular, but you can be popular with millions of people, and those people still be in the minority. Less than 1 in 30 people buy The Sun. It’s hardly a niche opinion to say that it’s a shit-rag. Same for Jeremy Clarkson; for as many people watch his programmes, most hate him.
This forum is not a hotbed of leftfield opinion. Take away the sex topics (and let’s face it, most of them are like a school playground game of ‘kids, cuddle, or torture’, anyway) and it’s a pretty grey, staid, middle-of-the-road place, as far as the discussions go."
It’s never occurred to me to judge anyone by what newspaper they read .
Nor has it ever occurred to me to follow popular forum opinion on any subject to gain favour .
You get the leftie bollocks on here way more than right wing Tory opinion , and a bit of Scottish antagonistic crap too ... a good mix I think |
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"So the most popular newspaper is the Sun , and it’s universally slated by the fab forumites , same goes for Jeremy Clarkson who ITV clearly thought would be a good choice for the majority .
Over our seven years on fab we’ve noticed a definite trend on here for everyone to be pretty much anti everything that’s otherwise popular .
Do you think it’s because we engage in an activity ( swinging ) that’s not so popular ? If so it hasn’t worked out for us at all as we love The Sun , and Jeremy Clarkson , but then having said that , most of the people we have met seem to be more like us .... very odd .
Perhaps it's because we are more open minded and able to educate ourselves enough to know that the sun is base level journalism at its worst and that Jeremy Clarkson is a boorish oaf. "
I fail to see how that opinion is based in being more open minded .... and I’m not being funny but I also fail to see how those who dislike both can possibly say it’s because they are able to educate themselves any more than those who like them . |
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"The forums are made up of around 0.5% of the fab community, of that 0.5% around 16% are regular posters of that 16% around 10% are highly strung liberal lefty right wing Nazis who would fall out with they're own Shadow.
Another 10% are complete hypocrites who'd say anything perceived popular for a shag.
About 40% will just go along with the flow because they can't be arsed arguing.
30% are keyboard warriors determined to have any argument with anymore because there on there "other profile" and don't mind getting banned or looking a knob.
40% misfits and outpatients from the local mental hospital.
7% are Gramma Nazis who scowl every line waiting to pounce on some poor fuckers misspellings despite everybody understanding what they wrote in the first place.
And around 1% are statisticians that realise most stats are bollocks including some of these
It's 'grammar nazis'. Tsk!"
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"Although I concede its a generalisation the fact that we are swingers means that we are already outside the mainstream and have decided to eschew conventional lifestyles.
I'm guessing this unconventional approach works for other aspects of ones life.
PS Fuck Clarkson
I wouldn’t , but my wife might "
 Clarkson tonight on ITV who wants to be a millionaire. Much better host than Chris Tarrant was and much more entertaining. |
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I think questioning the mainstream is good and to be encouraged. Disliking it for the sake of it not so much.
I don't think swingers are more likely to dislike or question but anywhere that opinions are expressed will attract all different types of viewpoint.
Sometimes threads follow the opinion of the first couple of posters and it takes a brave (for want of a better word) person to disagree.
I think it's a shame if people choose to disagree in patronising or rude way. |
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"Everyone on here are born contrarians "
Some Swingers think they invented sex and they are therefore the elite of all humanoids. Henceforth The Sun is beneath them.  |
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"Everyone on here are born contrarians
Some Swingers think they invented sex and they are therefore the elite of all humanoids. Henceforth The Sun is beneath them. "
swinging doesn't make anyone exclusively open minded.
Having said that, people on here represent all walks of life, and I think people in general like to moan! Pretending to dislike mainstream is nothing new or exclusive to anyone. |
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"Although I concede its a generalisation the fact that we are swingers means that we are already outside the mainstream and have decided to eschew conventional lifestyles.
I'm guessing this unconventional approach works for other aspects of ones life.
PS Fuck Clarkson
I wouldn’t , but my wife might
Clarkson tonight on ITV who wants to be a millionaire. Much better host than Chris Tarrant was and much more entertaining. "
Absolutely |
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"Everyone on here are born contrarians
Some Swingers think they invented sex and they are therefore the elite of all humanoids. Henceforth The Sun is beneath them. swinging doesn't make anyone exclusively open minded.
Having said that, people on here represent all walks of life, and I think people in general like to moan! Pretending to dislike mainstream is nothing new or exclusive to anyone."
It does seem worse on here. On other sites (not sex sites) people fall over themselves to 'fit in'. On here they seem to do the opposite.
Apart from the white knighting of course. |
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"So the most popular newspaper is the Sun , and it’s universally slated by the fab forumites , same goes for Jeremy Clarkson who ITV clearly thought would be a good choice for the majority .
Over our seven years on fab we’ve noticed a definite trend on here for everyone to be pretty much anti everything that’s otherwise popular .
Do you think it’s because we engage in an activity ( swinging ) that’s not so popular ? If so it hasn’t worked out for us at all as we love The Sun , and Jeremy Clarkson , but then having said that , most of the people we have met seem to be more like us .... very odd . "
I'm certainly anti-mainstream so i feel you're onto something. As much as my life would be easier if i was 'mainstream', i can't really bring myself to go through the pretence of a monogamous marriage, inevitable cheating and horrific divorce (the standard model for serial monogamy). |
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I don't think swingers are any different to any other cross section of society....which after all, we all come from?
I daresay those that seek to highlight how different they are, are probably wishing to tell the world and seek a little attention and controversy!
I like some cheesy popular stuff, some normality, yet I hate some mainstream media....oh wait...that makes me just like everyone else. I'm not as uber cool as I thought. |
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By *exysuzi and Mr.SCouple
over a year ago
CONISTON .Stoke Suburbia. Staffs. BARMOUTH. The Lakes (Monthly) |
"The forums are made up of around 0.5% of the fab community, of that 0.5% around 16% are regular posters of that 16% around 10% are highly strung liberal lefty right wing Nazis who would fall out with they're own Shadow.
Another 10% are complete hypocrites who'd say anything perceived popular for a shag.
About 40% will just go along with the flow because they can't be arsed arguing.
30% are keyboard warriors determined to have any argument with anymore because there on there "other profile" and don't mind getting banned or looking a knob.
40% misfits and outpatients from the local mental hospital.
7% are Gramma Nazis who scowl every line waiting to pounce on some poor fuckers misspellings despite everybody understanding what they wrote in the first place.
And around 1% are statisticians that realise most stats are bollocks including some of these
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It's *THEIR.... Not they're lol Suzi xxxx |
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Well I’m going to throw a spanner in your works, coz I bloody love Clarkson but given my Merseyside roots, I can’t understand how that shitrag excuse for a ‘news’paper is still in business, because I wouldn’t even lower myself to wipe my backside on it.
I don’t ‘hate’ many things. I dislike a lot of stuff, I’m indifferent about a lot of stuff. But that publication & anyone who has ever given up all moral & human decency to be employed by it can rot in the 9th level of hell for eternity.
There’s not much in this world that I despise more than that rag & the vile creature that used to edit it ... and that’s been since I was a teenager & has nothing to do with swinging!
TL:DR:
Clarkson - good
Shitrag - bad
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"People who use other non-swinging forums might be able to shed some light on this. "
I’ve used quite a few, hence my comment on how middle-of-the-road this place is. It’s like mumsnet, but with less to say.
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"To me it’s surprising that anyone would ."
Again, unsurprising. |
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"People who use other non-swinging forums might be able to shed some light on this.
I’ve used quite a few, hence my comment on how middle-of-the-road this place is. It’s like mumsnet, but with less to say.
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To me it’s surprising that anyone would .
Again, unsurprising."
Why is it unsurprising , pray tell ? |
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"So the most popular newspaper is the Sun , and it’s universally slated by the fab forumites , same goes for Jeremy Clarkson who ITV clearly thought would be a good choice for the majority .
Over our seven years on fab we’ve noticed a definite trend on here for everyone to be pretty much anti everything that’s otherwise popular .
Do you think it’s because we engage in an activity ( swinging ) that’s not so popular ? If so it hasn’t worked out for us at all as we love The Sun , and Jeremy Clarkson , but then having said that , most of the people we have met seem to be more like us .... very odd .
No! Its just usual internet forum behaviour! If you can let people know that you don't like what the popular choice is, you can kid yourself that you're superior to the populous. "
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"So the most popular newspaper is the Sun , and it’s universally slated by the fab forumites , same goes for Jeremy Clarkson who ITV clearly thought would be a good choice for the majority .
Over our seven years on fab we’ve noticed a definite trend on here for everyone to be pretty much anti everything that’s otherwise popular .
Do you think it’s because we engage in an activity ( swinging ) that’s not so popular ? If so it hasn’t worked out for us at all as we love The Sun , and Jeremy Clarkson , but then having said that , most of the people we have met seem to be more like us .... very odd .
No! Its just usual internet forum behaviour! If you can let people know that you don't like what the popular choice is, you can kid yourself that you're superior to the populous. "
The voice of reason and a brilliant answer |
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Yes, but having an opinion doesn’t make someone the voice of reason, nor is that opinion a ‘brilliant answer’. See your contributions to the thread for evidence.
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The post you think is so amazing is basically saying that any expression of opinion that differs to the norm is an attempt to appear superior. It’s a small and narrow minded argument that allows you to dismiss anything you disagree with or don’t quite understand. I’m sure it makes you feel safe and settled in your little world, but it’s clearly utter fucking bollocks. |
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"Yes, but having an opinion doesn’t make someone the voice of reason, nor is that opinion a ‘brilliant answer’. See your contributions to the thread for evidence.
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The post you think is so amazing is basically saying that any expression of opinion that differs to the norm is an attempt to appear superior. It’s a small and narrow minded argument that allows you to dismiss anything you disagree with or don’t quite understand. I’m sure it makes you feel safe and settled in your little world, but it’s clearly utter fucking bollocks."
It’s utter bollocks in your opinion , and that’s ok with me . I will happily stay feeling safe and settled in my own little world , posting small and narrow minded comments which may or may not ellicit the odd response from those who are clearly superior to me .
It’s much easier to live a happy life having a clear understanding of things in ones own mind . Which I have , and even if it is clearly utter fucking bollocks , it works for me
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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In this thread I have learned that, apparently;
The Sun
and
Jeremy Clarkson.
Are "mainstream" and very popular. I know about two people in total that read The Sun (lots I know boycott it for "football" reasons, in spite of being nowhere near merseyside), and almost nobody who likes Jeremy Clarkson.
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"It’s utter bollocks in your opinion"
I see you’re another one of those people that has a difficulty understanding the difference between opinions and facts.
It is categorically and verifiably untrue that people who say that they dislike something popular are only doing so in an attempt to look superior to others. It is a categorical, absolute, verifiable fact that lots of people don’t like things that the majority like. That’s why it’s called ‘the majority’ and not ‘everyone’. It’s why it’s called ‘mainstream’ and not ‘the only stream’.
Despite what many dribbling idiots on the internet think, following a verifiably untrue statement with, “That’s my opinion,” is not a get out of jail free card. It does not give you free reign to just make shit up because it suits your blinkered view on the world.
So, please, do yourself a favour and stop with this ‘my opinion’ nonsense. It’s embarrassing. |
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"It’s utter bollocks in your opinion
I see you’re another one of those people that has a difficulty understanding the difference between opinions and facts.
It is categorically and verifiably untrue that people who say that they dislike something popular are only doing so in an attempt to look superior to others. It is a categorical, absolute, verifiable fact that lots of people don’t like things that the majority like. That’s why it’s called ‘the majority’ and not ‘everyone’. It’s why it’s called ‘mainstream’ and not ‘the only stream’.
Despite what many dribbling idiots on the internet think, following a verifiably untrue statement with, “That’s my opinion,” is not a get out of jail free card. It does not give you free reign to just make shit up because it suits your blinkered view on the world.
So, please, do yourself a favour and stop with this ‘my opinion’ nonsense. It’s embarrassing. "
It's embarrassing....... in your opinion |
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And some people may say that they dislike something to appear superior so that can't be a "categorical, absolute, verifiable fact" as I don't believe you know everything that everybody is thinking. |
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"It’s utter bollocks in your opinion
I see you’re another one of those people that has a difficulty understanding the difference between opinions and facts.
It is categorically and verifiably untrue that people who say that they dislike something popular are only doing so in an attempt to look superior to others. It is a categorical, absolute, verifiable fact that lots of people don’t like things that the majority like. That’s why it’s called ‘the majority’ and not ‘everyone’. It’s why it’s called ‘mainstream’ and not ‘the only stream’.
Despite what many dribbling idiots on the internet think, following a verifiably untrue statement with, “That’s my opinion,” is not a get out of jail free card. It does not give you free reign to just make shit up because it suits your blinkered view on the world.
So, please, do yourself a favour and stop with this ‘my opinion’ nonsense. It’s embarrassing.
It's embarrassing....... in your opinion "
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"And some people may say that they dislike something to appear superior so that can't be a "categorical, absolute, verifiable fact" as I don't believe you know everything that everybody is thinking."
Some people might. The claim was that everyone who does so does it for that reason. I don’t need to know what everyone is thinking to know that not everyone who does so does it for that reason. |
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"And some people may say that they dislike something to appear superior so that can't be a "categorical, absolute, verifiable fact" as I don't believe you know everything that everybody is thinking.
Some people might. The claim was that everyone who does so does it for that reason. I don’t need to know what everyone is thinking to know that not everyone who does so does it for that reason."
Not to mention the fact that more people don't read the sun than do and far more people don't watch Clarkson than do.
It's a bizarre idea that the majority of people who don't engage with that stuff only don't engage because they want to look clever. |
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Are we really anti mainstream is it not more the case of only expressing opinions when they are negative. I quite like Clarkson and if there is a negative thread I couldn't be arsed to get into an a forum argument so would ignore. I suspect most are like me therefore you will get a very one-sided view. |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
Apparently the Suns average daily circulation is about 1.5 million. That in a country of over 50 million adults. "
Something must be wrong because they were trying to give away free copies in WHSmiths today! |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
Apparently the Suns average daily circulation is about 1.5 million. That in a country of over 50 million adults. "
Considerably more than the Guardian then... |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
Apparently the Suns average daily circulation is about 1.5 million. That in a country of over 50 million adults.
Considerably more than the Guardian then..."
Yep, but still very much a minority taste, as is newspaper reading generally. |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
Apparently the Suns average daily circulation is about 1.5 million. That in a country of over 50 million adults.
Considerably more than the Guardian then..."
Google suggests The Guardian is more popular than The Sun. Daily Mail being top. |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
Apparently the Suns average daily circulation is about 1.5 million. That in a country of over 50 million adults.
Considerably more than the Guardian then...
Google suggests The Guardian is more popular than The Sun. Daily Mail being top."
Newsworks, which actually measures this kind of thing, suggests you've got your figures wrong. Like the guardian usually does. |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
Apparently the Suns average daily circulation is about 1.5 million. That in a country of over 50 million adults.
Considerably more than the Guardian then...
Google suggests The Guardian is more popular than The Sun. Daily Mail being top.
Newsworks, which actually measures this kind of thing, suggests you've got your figures wrong. Like the guardian usually does. "
I know you find it really difficult to not reply to things without sounding like an arse, but I was just going off a simple Google search. |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
Apparently the Suns average daily circulation is about 1.5 million. That in a country of over 50 million adults.
Considerably more than the Guardian then...
Google suggests The Guardian is more popular than The Sun. Daily Mail being top.
Newsworks, which actually measures this kind of thing, suggests you've got your figures wrong. Like the guardian usually does. "
Circulation is about 1.5 million and readership about double that. That's the ABC Figures per day. I think you are looking at monthly figures. |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
Apparently the Suns average daily circulation is about 1.5 million. That in a country of over 50 million adults.
Considerably more than the Guardian then...
Google suggests The Guardian is more popular than The Sun. Daily Mail being top.
Newsworks, which actually measures this kind of thing, suggests you've got your figures wrong. Like the guardian usually does.
I know you find it really difficult to not reply to things without sounding like an arse, but I was just going off a simple Google search. "
So did i. I typed "the sun readership" and newsworks was the top link. What exactly did you search!? |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
Apparently the Suns average daily circulation is about 1.5 million. That in a country of over 50 million adults.
Considerably more than the Guardian then...
Google suggests The Guardian is more popular than The Sun. Daily Mail being top.
Newsworks, which actually measures this kind of thing, suggests you've got your figures wrong. Like the guardian usually does.
I know you find it really difficult to not reply to things without sounding like an arse, but I was just going off a simple Google search.
So did i. I typed "the sun readership" and newsworks was the top link. What exactly did you search!? "
I asked what was the most popular newspaper in the UK. |
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"I dunno about that OP. I've found kink/BDSM people tend to be more outsiders culturally than swingers who are generally, kinda mainstream in their tastes
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Completely agree. As I said above, swingers are generally pretty mainstream in everything but their sex lives. |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
Apparently the Suns average daily circulation is about 1.5 million. That in a country of over 50 million adults.
Considerably more than the Guardian then...
Google suggests The Guardian is more popular than The Sun. Daily Mail being top.
Newsworks, which actually measures this kind of thing, suggests you've got your figures wrong. Like the guardian usually does.
I know you find it really difficult to not reply to things without sounding like an arse, but I was just going off a simple Google search.
So did i. I typed "the sun readership" and newsworks was the top link. What exactly did you search!?
I asked what was the most popular newspaper in the UK. "
That's the national readership survey which covers both print and on line readership. The Guardian does indeed come above the sun on that survey. Probably because the Guardian site doesn't have a pay wall. |
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"I dunno about that OP. I've found kink/BDSM people tend to be more outsiders culturally than swingers who are generally, kinda mainstream in their tastes
Completely agree. As I said above, swingers are generally pretty mainstream in everything but their sex lives. "
The majority married people cheat. Swingers are just doing it ethically. It's a small practical difference, but a huge mental one. |
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"Yes, but having an opinion doesn’t make someone the voice of reason, nor is that opinion a ‘brilliant answer’. See your contributions to the thread for evidence.
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The post you think is so amazing is basically saying that any expression of opinion that differs to the norm is an attempt to appear superior. It’s a small and narrow minded argument that allows you to dismiss anything you disagree with or don’t quite understand. I’m sure it makes you feel safe and settled in your little world, but it’s clearly utter fucking bollocks."
Beautifully illustrated. |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?"
I do and because other people have influenced me or I want to be in with the in crowd.
My ex used to buy a copy every day, mostly for the football and horse racing results at the back.
I used to scan it and think what a load of mind numbing crud. I think the same about magazines aimed at women, because I don't care about celebrity break ups or what they are wearing. The Sun crossword was the best thing about it and even that became predictable. |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
I do and because other people have influenced me or I want to be in with the in crowd.
My ex used to buy a copy every day, mostly for the football and horse racing results at the back.
I used to scan it and think what a load of mind numbing crud. I think the same about magazines aimed at women, because I don't care about celebrity break ups or what they are wearing. The Sun crossword was the best thing about it and even that became predictable. "
That was supposed to say not because other people have influeinfluenced me. |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
I do and because other people have influenced me or I want to be in with the in crowd.
My ex used to buy a copy every day, mostly for the football and horse racing results at the back.
I used to scan it and think what a load of mind numbing crud. I think the same about magazines aimed at women, because I don't care about celebrity break ups or what they are wearing. The Sun crossword was the best thing about it and even that became predictable.
That was supposed to say not because other people have influeinfluenced me."
Exactly this! |
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"Don’t most people think The Sun is absolute gash!?
Apparently the Suns average daily circulation is about 1.5 million. That in a country of over 50 million adults.
Considerably more than the Guardian then...
Google suggests The Guardian is more popular than The Sun. Daily Mail being top.
Newsworks, which actually measures this kind of thing, suggests you've got your figures wrong. Like the guardian usually does.
I know you find it really difficult to not reply to things without sounding like an arse, but I was just going off a simple Google search.
So did i. I typed "the sun readership" and newsworks was the top link. What exactly did you search!?
I asked what was the most popular newspaper in the UK.
That's the national readership survey which covers both print and on line readership. The Guardian does indeed come above the sun on that survey. Probably because the Guardian site doesn't have a pay wall. "
Ahh thanks for clearing that up |
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"I dunno about that OP. I've found kink/BDSM people tend to be more outsiders culturally than swingers who are generally, kinda mainstream in their tastes
Completely agree. As I said above, swingers are generally pretty mainstream in everything but their sex lives.
The majority married people cheat. Swingers are just doing it ethically. It's a small practical difference, but a huge mental one. "
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I'm not interested in what papers you read, I'm more interested in whether you can actually give up this long held belief in what you think is right when presented with facts that suggest maybe your wrong!, that suggests you might actually be intelligent and not holding onto dogmatic beliefs just for the sake of it.
Alas those people are few and far between and very very very rarely read the sun or the guardian |
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"Yes, but having an opinion doesn’t make someone the voice of reason, nor is that opinion a ‘brilliant answer’. See your contributions to the thread for evidence.
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The post you think is so amazing is basically saying that any expression of opinion that differs to the norm is an attempt to appear superior. It’s a small and narrow minded argument that allows you to dismiss anything you disagree with or don’t quite understand. I’m sure it makes you feel safe and settled in your little world, but it’s clearly utter fucking bollocks.
It’s utter bollocks in your opinion , and that’s ok with me . I will happily stay feeling safe and settled in my own little world , posting small and narrow minded comments which may or may not ellicit the odd response from those who are clearly superior to me .
It’s much easier to live a happy life having a clear understanding of things in ones own mind . Which I have , and even if it is clearly utter fucking bollocks , it works for me
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"I'm not interested in what papers you read, I'm more interested in whether you can actually give up this long held belief in what you think is right when presented with facts that suggest maybe your wrong!, that suggests you might actually be intelligent and not holding onto dogmatic beliefs just for the sake of it.
Alas those people are few and far between and very very very rarely read the sun or the guardian"
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