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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Is making people live together the new way of exploring issues on telly now?
It is especially if they think they can get some shock factor  "
The interaction with the locals was interesting.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"It'll probably be trash, they've probably deliberately picked people that will clash to make it 'interesting'."
They aren't doing much clashing so far, just learning from each other.
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over a year ago
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"It'll probably be trash, they've probably deliberately picked people that will clash to make it 'interesting'.
They aren't doing much clashing so far, just learning from each other.
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Might be worth a watch then. |
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"It'll probably be trash, they've probably deliberately picked people that will clash to make it 'interesting'.
They aren't doing much clashing so far, just learning from each other.
Might be worth a watch then."
They've got a fairly good group together - plenty of discussion and learning going on.
The older locals, at the pub, were really rigid in their perspective, blaming the media/social media for portraying too much gender fluidity, as if people wouldn't really be expressing themselves as they really are  |
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"The straight man from Barnsley is an absolute sweetie. He's open-minded and ready to learn from the experience.
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He is great isn't he - supportive, gentle and getting a good understanding of the others. My marriage material
Evening Lickety btw |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"The straight man from Barnsley is an absolute sweetie. He's open-minded and ready to learn from the experience.
He is great isn't he - supportive, gentle and getting a good understanding of the others. My marriage material
Evening Lickety btw "
Good evening. I'm now worried about Romario and Filomena and the rest of the house talking.  |
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"The straight man from Barnsley is an absolute sweetie. He's open-minded and ready to learn from the experience.
He is great isn't he - supportive, gentle and getting a good understanding of the others. My marriage material
Evening Lickety btw
Good evening. I'm now worried about Romario and Filomena and the rest of the house talking. "
It's a bit off..
They may have made a massive assumption and it's a bit wrong.. |
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"The straight man from Barnsley is an absolute sweetie. He's open-minded and ready to learn from the experience.
He is great isn't he - supportive, gentle and getting a good understanding of the others. My marriage material
Evening Lickety btw
Good evening. I'm now worried about Romario and Filomena and the rest of the house talking. "
It's disappointing if there's any hidden attack against others, potentially when they don't have the confidence to fully share themselves. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"The straight man from Barnsley is an absolute sweetie. He's open-minded and ready to learn from the experience.
He is great isn't he - supportive, gentle and getting a good understanding of the others. My marriage material
Evening Lickety btw
Good evening. I'm now worried about Romario and Filomena and the rest of the house talking.
It's a bit off..
They may have made a massive assumption and it's a bit wrong.. "
It is disappointing that that group feel the need to out someone and assign their view of his identity. It's a good lesson.
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"It'll probably be trash, they've probably deliberately picked people that will clash to make it 'interesting'."
That was my first thought. Is it going to be like all the other reality tv shows, or are they going to be serious about it. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"The straight man from Barnsley is an absolute sweetie. He's open-minded and ready to learn from the experience.
He is great isn't he - supportive, gentle and getting a good understanding of the others. My marriage material
Evening Lickety btw
Good evening. I'm now worried about Romario and Filomena and the rest of the house talking.
It's disappointing if there's any hidden attack against others, potentially when they don't have the confidence to fully share themselves."
It's the assertion that one person's *need* for *honesty* tramples on another's requirement to be taken as they present themselves.
The producers cast this well.
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"The straight man from Barnsley is an absolute sweetie. He's open-minded and ready to learn from the experience.
He is great isn't he - supportive, gentle and getting a good understanding of the others. My marriage material
Evening Lickety btw
Good evening. I'm now worried about Romario and Filomena and the rest of the house talking.
It's a bit off..
They may have made a massive assumption and it's a bit wrong..
It is disappointing that that group feel the need to out someone and assign their view of his identity. It's a good lesson.
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What we were just saying.. |
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"Marcus is out of order!"
100% ! He seems pretty immature and insensitive. He wasn't innocently sharing information, there was likely some malice there, for others not sharing his 'priority' view that honesty should be all.
It was a reasonable first episode of a show. Some interesting decent and varied people and perspectives. |
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"I enjoyed watching that.
Thanks for posting this, otherwise i'd have missed it.
It was better than I expected. I will watch tomorrow's episode.
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I agree - it was a fair bit better than I expected too. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Marcus is out of order!
100% ! He seems pretty immature and insensitive. He wasn't innocently sharing information, there was likely some malice there, for others not sharing his 'priority' view that honesty should be all.
It was a reasonable first episode of a show. Some interesting decent and varied people and perspectives. "
You don't take someone outside at a party for an innocent chat. Especially one that starts with "do you know about Romario?" |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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I've seen programmes where the focus has been just gender.
The blend here of sexuality and gender, and all the different permutations that creates, hopefully sheds a bit more light on how varied people are. |
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"Marcus is out of order!
So wrong..
Feigned "righteous" indignation and declaring Romario as being rude for holding his counsel made me cross.
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Ditto, he was lying about the conversation with Philomena too..
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I've seen programmes where the focus has been just gender.
The blend here of sexuality and gender, and all the different permutations that creates, hopefully sheds a bit more light on how varied people are."
The conversations about their difficulties with relationships, alongside burgeoning relationships is also enlightening. They appear to feel safe to be themselves.
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over a year ago
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As a mum of a female to male transgender child who finally got the nerve to tell me 8 weeks ago. I applaud them for doing this program, having the guts to say “ this is who I am”. If we find it hard to understand put yourself in their body, how the hell do they comprehend it? Definitely need more education for others on this topic. Throughly looking forward to seeing the next one x |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"As a mum of a female to male transgender child who finally got the nerve to tell me 8 weeks ago. I applaud them for doing this program, having the guts to say “ this is who I am”. If we find it hard to understand put yourself in their body, how the hell do they comprehend it? Definitely need more education for others on this topic. Throughly looking forward to seeing the next one x "
This is why I don't understand the stance people take of it just being a media induced trend, like it is something being done to them. I wish you and your son peace and happiness now that he is himself.
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"As a mum of a female to male transgender child who finally got the nerve to tell me 8 weeks ago. I applaud them for doing this program, having the guts to say “ this is who I am”. If we find it hard to understand put yourself in their body, how the hell do they comprehend it? Definitely need more education for others on this topic. Throughly looking forward to seeing the next one x
This is why I don't understand the stance people take of it just being a media induced trend, like it is something being done to them. I wish you and your son peace and happiness now that he is himself.
Many thanks xx
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"Yes, I'll be watching it on +1
Don't read the thread in case there are spoilers.  "
I think it's a good showcase of how comfortable you can feel if you are born the wrong gender. I'll be watching tomorrow's episode |
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I enjoyed that more than I thought I was going to. It really began to go beyond the surface of what life is like for someone with gender issues such as relationships and such. I'll catch the next ep.
BTW Marcus deserves a high five... to the face. |
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over a year ago
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Just watched last night's episode.
Why would a trans man who just wants to be left alone go on this show?
And then top it off by flirting with a straight woman who made it clear she wasn't cool with gender change...
Oh right, sorry scripted reality to make confrontational viewing  |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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This is why I don't understand the stance people take of it just being a media induced trend, like it is something being done to them. I wish you and your son peace and happiness now that he is himself.
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Your post got me thinking.
And I recalled a piece by that twat Tebbit saying it was all a fad because there was nothing like this when he went to school.
Quite.
60 years ago, everyone was expected to conform to a normality drawn from religious conditioning.
Homosexuality was illegal.
Gender dysphoria was a mental illness.
Anyone who showed any signed of not conforming to the heterosexual binary was, essentially, singled out either as a criminal or a lunatic.
So it was little wonder such issues did not come to the surface.
Many lived their lives underground, many repressed.
I very much doubt that the proportion of gender dysphoria and same-sex attraction is any different today than it was 60 years ago.
What's changed is society's willingness to embrace variation.
We now have a culture increasingly that allows people to be themselves, to express themselves freely and to cast off perceived expectations of others.
The media has a role in raising awareness.
Sometimes it does that responsibly, sometimes it does not.
But the idea this is something new is fake news.
Scrape back the surface of history and you will find variation in all its forms.
It's just more open today, at least in this society.
Some people find that hard to accept, most do not.
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So we just watched the show together , and the Marcus telling the straight girl is the most contentious issue .
Why ? She made it perfectly clear on the first night that she held very simple beliefs as to what a man is and what a woman is .
The guy that was a woman knew this too , yet he made advances toward her , knowing how she would feel if she knew the truth . Quite why no one else told her before they snogged I have no idea .
Marcus did the right thing by being honest before it went even further , which could have got the straight woman even more upset .
It wasn’t that long ago I read about a woman who pretended to be a guy , copped off with women and slept with them using a dildo . They were unaware he was a she , and she was sentenced to serve time for r**e .
This situation could have been the same could it not ? |
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"So we just watched the show together , and the Marcus telling the straight girl is the most contentious issue .
Why ? She made it perfectly clear on the first night that she held very simple beliefs as to what a man is and what a woman is .
The guy that was a woman knew this too , yet he made advances toward her , knowing how she would feel if she knew the truth . Quite why no one else told her before they snogged I have no idea .
Marcus did the right thing by being honest before it went even further , which could have got the straight woman even more upset .
It wasn’t that long ago I read about a woman who pretended to be a guy , copped off with women and slept with them using a dildo . They were unaware he was a she , and she was sentenced to serve time for r**e .
This situation could have been the same could it not ? "
As with most things in life - and especially when it comes to communicating with people - there are ways and means of doing/achieving things. If the guy who told the straight girl cared about the others there, he could have, just as one example, had a quiet word with the transguy, which would have preserved some dignity and respect for him: he'd not come out to others, which suggests that he's not as confident about it as others. That's just one option. I think the guy who spoke out is a bit of a drama queen, who potentially gets off on the turmoil he sets off around him. |
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"I'm just catching up...
Good to see Romario and Filomena talking.
Sad to hear about the abuse the participants have experienced.
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Ditto on the catch up, Charlie's parents are awesome in their support.. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I'm just catching up...
Good to see Romario and Filomena talking.
Sad to hear about the abuse the participants have experienced.
Ditto on the catch up, Charlie's parents are awesome in their support.. "
Second mortgage awesome.
Romario's brother is so supportive.
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"There were some very good parts tonight
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I'm just watching the tail end of the debate...
I'm looking forward to seeing what Ch4 have prepared for the rest of this series. I think the next one is on being female.
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Just caught up and watched both episodes, I'm yet to watch the debate.
My son is 16 and f2m trans, it had never been an issue for us as a family.
What I struggle with is other peoples opinions, why do people get so annoyed about something that has absolutely no effect on their lives? I really don't understand non binary, I've listened and tried but I dont understand it. I still have the utmost respect though for people who identify as non binary as how they live their lives had no bearing on me what so ever. |
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