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Now what is the point i ask myself.
I have to be fair they didnt stink of cigarette smoke but i really feel they wasted my time.
Their profile states they are non-smokers by the way
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"I had a strange thing happen on saturday i met a lovely couple for a social evening for a drink and chat. I am a non smoker and my profile reflects the fact i wont meet smokers. Had a great evening and they really were nice and when i got home i sent a message via fab to say i would love to see them again. The mail was opened and left for two days and a reply eventually came back to say that they had not been honest with me and they both smoked .
Now what is the point i ask myself.
I have to be fair they didnt stink of cigarette smoke but i really feel they wasted my time.
Their profile states they are non-smokers by the way
Has anyone else had this happen?"So if they hadn't told you, and were as 'clean' the next time you met them, you'd have (probably) played with them completely unaware that they smoke. It begs the question as to whether it's the smell or the habit that offends you the most. The smell can be obscured, but anti-smoker's attitudes towards smokers is a lot harder to cover up. | |||
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"May be they thought telling you they smoked was a nicer way of putting you off." I was going to say same thing.. maybe thay never wished to meet again and new you never liked smoking .. strange really if on there profile say nothing about them liking to smoke .. you come across all sorts in this .. dont let it get you down as theres 1000s i am sure who would love to meet you x x | |||
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"I had a strange thing happen on saturday i met a lovely couple for a social evening for a drink and chat. I am a non smoker and my profile reflects the fact i wont meet smokers. Had a great evening and they really were nice and when i got home i sent a message via fab to say i would love to see them again. The mail was opened and left for two days and a reply eventually came back to say that they had not been honest with me and they both smoked .
Now what is the point i ask myself.
I have to be fair they didnt stink of cigarette smoke but i really feel they wasted my time.
Their profile states they are non-smokers by the way
Has anyone else had this happen?
So if they hadn't told you, and were as 'clean' the next time you met them, you'd have (probably) played with them completely unaware that they smoke.
It begs the question as to whether it's the smell or the habit that offends you the most. The smell can be obscured, but anti-smoker's attitudes towards smokers is a lot harder to cover up."I totally agree with you, M has just given up smoking, L is a social smoker ie only when I have a drink and now as M has stopped I probably will too, not had a drink for 2 weeks so not had a cigarette either. We are listed as non-smokers for the very reason of anti smokers attitude! We never smoke on a meet unless the others smoke and alot of the time although they are listed as non-smokers you find that they do too. Seems very common to us! | |||
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"on the flip side its amazing how many people contact me who have on their profile ....wont meet smokers and when i point out i smoke are still more than happy to meet" We get that too. | |||
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"on the flip side its amazing how many people contact me who have on their profile ....wont meet smokers and when i point out i smoke are still more than happy to meet We get that too. " me three!  | |||
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"I had a strange thing happen on saturday i met a lovely couple for a social evening for a drink and chat. I am a non smoker and my profile reflects the fact i wont meet smokers. Had a great evening and they really were nice and when i got home i sent a message via fab to say i would love to see them again. The mail was opened and left for two days and a reply eventually came back to say that they had not been honest with me and they both smoked .
Now what is the point i ask myself.
I have to be fair they didnt stink of cigarette smoke but i really feel they wasted my time.
Their profile states they are non-smokers by the way
Has anyone else had this happen?
So if they hadn't told you, and were as 'clean' the next time you met them, you'd have (probably) played with them completely unaware that they smoke.
It begs the question as to whether it's the smell or the habit that offends you the most. The smell can be obscured, but anti-smoker's attitudes towards smokers is a lot harder to cover up.
I totally agree with you, M has just given up smoking, L is a social smoker ie only when I have a drink and now as M has stopped I probably will too, not had a drink for 2 weeks so not had a cigarette either.
We are listed as non-smokers for the very reason of anti smokers attitude!
We never smoke on a meet unless the others smoke and alot of the time although they are listed as non-smokers you find that they do too.
Seems very common to us!"I smoke and make it clear to people who want to meet us. If anyone expects to come to our house and play with AND expect me to not smoke they can bugger off, to be frank. I don't smoke in the house anyway as Siren is a non-smoker and we have small children but as a smoker the aromas linger on me (deliberate use of the word aroma there, because as a smoker I'm not going to say odour, am I). The bottom line is: anti-smokers who feel that strong about it have the freedom to message other anti-smokers and give us a swerve altogether. | |||
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"on the flip side its amazing how many people contact me who have on their profile ....wont meet smokers and when i point out i smoke are still more than happy to meet We get that too. me three! "us 4 | |||
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"They actually did say they would love to meet me again but had to "come clean". " so are you meeting them again ? or has it put you off ? | |||
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Nice couple just wish they had been honest on their profile.
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"makes you wander what else they lied about "..and this kind of comment is a typical knee-jerk reaction. Everyone tells a porky or two every now and then but it doesn't make them an habitual liar. I know the pressure smokers feel about telling the truth about smoking, and it's not a lot different to guys fessing up to being bisexual, but in my case I've simply avoided meeting anyone who is anti-smoking (or anti-bi) as I just don't want to get into a discussion about it. | |||
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"I don't smoke but will meet smokers what's the issue? How many times in younger days would u pull at a club start necking them n notice they smelt of smoke?? I can never remember anyone in my circle of friends saying oh I pulled but she smoked so I said no thanks!!!! Lol as it is were all different but don't discount a whole group of people cos of a past time, imagine gettin turned down fir a job cos u swing?? " can say that if I was necking with somoene when younger than realised they stank of smoke believe me I would stop pretty quick. | |||
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"The smoking thing works both ways though, Wishy-: I met a nice man in a club who didn't smell or taste of smoke, and as an ex smoker myself, I am very sensitive to it, but hate those sanctimonious ex smoker types who get all precious about it! (I have however developed an aversion for kissing 'smokey fellas', these days.) Anyway, in subsequent encounters he made no effort to take that into account, and even though I really liked him, I can't get past it, so won't meet him anymore. Which is a shame, but it turns me right off!" Did you explain how you felt to him? If you'd put it to him in the way you just did here surely he would have taken that into consideration?? Siren can't stand the smell of smoke but she'd never dated a smoker before she met me, and by the time she realised she didn't like the smell her emotions had kicked in and she'd fallen in love. I'm ever conscious of the fact she doesn't like 'kissing an ash tray' and I do use (her) mouthwash before going to bed. Good job I'm not a kissy-kissy person anyway lol | |||
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"but in my case I've simply avoided meeting anyone who is anti-smoking (or anti-bi) as I just don't want to get into a discussion about it. " But here you are anyway! No matter what anyone says, they lied! Not about a little thing like age, which you can give leeway on if you meet, but on something that makes a big difference to the OP. It matters not whether she dislikes the smell or the habit, it is her personal choice! The fact they lied meant that Mercedes spent time and money meeting a couple that she wouldn’t have done had she known and she has every right to feel aggrieved! In a social situation, smokers can cover up the smell, but when playing it is way more difficult. When hot and sticky, smokers do smell of smoking! It comes out of their pores and can also taint soft furnishings. And to 1testarossa: " but hate those sanctimonious ex smoker types who get all precious about it!" And we hate those sanctimonious smoker types who get all precious about it! | |||
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"So single men smokers and bi folk!!!! Anythin else that should be banned from fab?? So much for tolerance some attitudes on here stink more than any smoker" just get the mints out and you can still snog me ok , lol | |||
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"So single men smokers and bi folk!!!! Anythin else that should be banned from fab?? So much for tolerance some attitudes on here stink more than any smoker" ???
Who said about banning anything! Are you seriously saying that we should meet smokers just because you are a smoker? We don't happen to like the smell of smokers, but no where have we seen or said that smokers should be banned!
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"How is lieing about your age not as bad as lieing about smoking.. if someone said they were 18 when they were 15 you could go to jail.. if someone said they dont smoke when they do ... what ? if they arent smoking around you your not gonna small of smoke, not gonna get any of the effects?? makes no sense to me No they shouldnt have lied, but its about something that doesnt really effect you if they arent doing it around you. I personally dont like playing with people who have smoked right before but if they go brush their teeth and use a mouth wash then i cant taste it so no problem. its her preference if she wants to play with them or not but if she likes them and they arent gonna smoke around her and wear clean clothes and have fresh breath, whats the problem? people lie all the time... at least this is about something that cant get you in trouble.. " Are you really serious? Smoking does affect others, whether they are around or not! I have never met a smoker yet who can get rid of the smell of smoking once they get a bit warm! And as I said in a recent post, smokers sweat can even taint soft furnishings and clothes. Trouble is, as a smoker they can’t smell it! If you don’t believe me, check out how they swab for drugs at airports and the like. The swab the insides of shoes, because the sweat will carry out any traces of things in the body! And where is this “people lie all the time” coming from? Two people have said it on this thread, but I ask you not to judge me by your standards! ALL of our playmates and prospective playmates are told anything relevant, even if we have been unwell in the last week. It is their choice whether to meet or not! | |||
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"Are you really serious? Smoking does affect others, whether they are around or not! I have never met a smoker yet who can get rid of the smell of smoking once they get a bit warm! And as I said in a recent post, smokers sweat can even taint soft furnishings and clothes. Trouble is, as a smoker they can’t smell it! If you don’t believe me, check out how they swab for drugs at airports and the like. The swab the insides of shoes, because the sweat will carry out any traces of things in the body! " Are you trying to say that enough people have been swab tested at airports to conclude that smoking can be traced through sweat residue left on clothing? I've travelled a lot and have never had my suitcase opened let alone swab tested. Anti-smokers pick up on all sorts of soundbites released by ASH and believe them to be an absolute fact. I've smoked for 35 years and I sleep naked - yet funnily enough there is no 'jesus'-like imprint of my nicorette stinking body on our bedsheets. | |||
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"Are you really serious? Smoking does affect others, whether they are around or not! I have never met a smoker yet who can get rid of the smell of smoking once they get a bit warm! And as I said in a recent post, smokers sweat can even taint soft furnishings and clothes. Trouble is, as a smoker they can’t smell it! If you don’t believe me, check out how they swab for drugs at airports and the like. The swab the insides of shoes, because the sweat will carry out any traces of things in the body! Are you trying to say that enough people have been swab tested at airports to conclude that smoking can be traced through sweat residue left on clothing? I've travelled a lot and have never had my suitcase opened let alone swab tested. Anti-smokers pick up on all sorts of soundbites released by ASH and believe them to be an absolute fact. I've smoked for 35 years and I sleep naked - yet funnily enough there is no 'jesus'-like imprint of my nicorette stinking body on our bedsheets. " love that well done | |||
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"im not a fan of smoking myself, but have and do meet smokers, most have been great about me not being keen on it except one, i think she worked out the more she smoked when i was with her, the more she got her pussy licked "But did her pussy taste of Woodbines? It's in the sweat you know, apparently, allegedly. | |||
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"but in my case I've simply avoided meeting anyone who is anti-smoking (or anti-bi) as I just don't want to get into a discussion about it. But here you are anyway! No matter what anyone says, they lied! Not about a little thing like age, which you can give leeway on if you meet, but on something that makes a big difference to the OP. It matters not whether she dislikes the smell or the habit, it is her personal choice! The fact they lied meant that Mercedes spent time and money meeting a couple that she wouldn’t have done had she known and she has every right to feel aggrieved! In a social situation, smokers can cover up the smell, but when playing it is way more difficult. When hot and sticky, smokers do smell of smoking! It comes out of their pores and can also taint soft furnishings. And to 1testarossa: but hate those sanctimonious ex smoker types who get all precious about it! And we hate those sanctimonious smoker types who get all precious about it! "Calm down, I was poking fun at myself- saying I am an ex smoker, and therefore have a foot in both camps. When I gave up I always said I wouldn't be one of those who coughs and moans when it blows their way- thats all, you took my comment out of context I think!! | |||
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"Are you really serious? Smoking does affect others, whether they are around or not! I have never met a smoker yet who can get rid of the smell of smoking once they get a bit warm! And as I said in a recent post, smokers sweat can even taint soft furnishings and clothes. Trouble is, as a smoker they can’t smell it! If you don’t believe me, check out how they swab for drugs at airports and the like. The swab the insides of shoes, because the sweat will carry out any traces of things in the body! Are you trying to say that enough people have been swab tested at airports to conclude that smoking can be traced through sweat residue left on clothing? I've travelled a lot and have never had my suitcase opened let alone swab tested. Anti-smokers pick up on all sorts of soundbites released by ASH and believe them to be an absolute fact. I've smoked for 35 years and I sleep naked - yet funnily enough there is no 'jesus'-like imprint of my nicorette stinking body on our bedsheets. love that well done "+1  | |||
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"Lovin it, whenever the topic of "smokers" comes up, it's ALWAYS the non smokers that work themselves into a froth, and occasionally deliver hilarious statements. Thanks guys. "It's because they can't have a fag and chillout. | |||
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"id pack up smoking if it wasnt for the fact im scared of becoming a reformed smoker "Am I that bad? | |||
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"id pack up smoking if it wasnt for the fact im scared of becoming a reformed smoker "I'd give up smoking, but I'm no quitter | |||
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...I am very vary of the fact others don't though and try to be considerate I will not meet people who state they do not meet smokers. Makes me feel uncomfotable....even the ones who change there minds and say it's actually ok. Meeting people is all about what works for you if you hate smokers don't meet them....Move on and meet non smokers. At least they did tell you in the end xxx | |||
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"id pack up smoking if it wasnt for the fact im scared of becoming a reformed smoker
Am I that bad? "no your FAB meet you friday , lol xxx | |||
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"Lovin it, whenever the topic of "smokers" comes up, it's ALWAYS the non smokers that work themselves into a froth, and occasionally deliver hilarious statements. Thanks guys.
It's because they can't have a fag and chillout."I just hava a non-smoking break, with the smokers
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"id pack up smoking if it wasnt for the fact im scared of becoming a reformed smoker
Am I that bad? no your FAB meet you friday , lol xxx "Backatcha babe mwah! | |||
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"In a social situation, smokers can cover up the smell, but when playing it is way more difficult. When hot and sticky, smokers do smell of smoking! It comes out of their pores and can also taint soft furnishings. " Um....Siren doesn't smoke and has never complained of me raining down nicorette-laden sweat onto her when we've had a particularly long session on a hot balmy summer's night. Where do you get this stuff from? " And to 1testarossa: but hate those sanctimonious ex smoker types who get all precious about it! And we hate those sanctimonious smoker types who get all precious about it! "Hate is a strong word...and you've just declared that you hate 22% of the adult population of the UK, some of whom are members of this site - but you hate them, so you'd probably better put it on your profile in case they feel mislead or lied to. | |||
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"Are you trying to say that enough people have been swab tested at airports to conclude that smoking can be traced through sweat residue left on clothing? I've travelled a lot and have never had my suitcase opened let alone swab tested. Anti-smokers pick up on all sorts of soundbites released by ASH and believe them to be an absolute fact. I've smoked for 35 years and I sleep naked - yet funnily enough there is no 'jesus'-like imprint of my nicorette stinking body on our bedsheets. " Another Knee-Jerk reaction for you! Come on Wishy (and your merry little band!) I never said that they swab for nicotine at airports. I said they swab for drugs and that sweat does bring out what is in the body. Whether you like it or not, it is a biological fact! Take the piss (a sure sign that you have nothing useful to say) all you like. Twist what I said to suit your own needs. It makes no difference to me. I was just pointing out what I have learned from working in a public health lab about the effects of smoking on human biology. I don’t need ASH to tell me anything or provide soundbites, but I do know one thing. As a smoker, you may one day be glad of the research that my colleagues carried out and still are! I must also say this. I do not want the anti-smoking lobby to win! I like that smokers pay billions into the coffers of the government. I love the fact that they kept me employed for years. If you can afford to spend £40 per week on cigarettes, go for it! What I don’t like is the fact, yes FACT that some of our friends smoke and I know what fate awaits them, but their choice… | |||
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"id pack up smoking if it wasnt for the fact im scared of becoming a reformed smoker "Ur on form today!!!! | |||
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"What I don’t like is the fact, yes FACT that some of our friends smoke and I know what fate awaits them, but their choice… " You have friends that smoke? I thought you hated smokers? | |||
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"Its all about being honest. If someone deceives you about smoking what else are they being deceptive about! " I assume 'Savanna' is your real name then? C'mon, we're swingers. How much honesty does one need to decide to fuck someone. It's not exactly marriage we're signing up to is it. | |||
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"I deceive no one about my habit,and its my choice as to weather i smoke,as its yrs if you choose not to...." It's about being open and honest and from what I have seen, you are! But the OP was posting about a couple who deceived her. I may not like smoking, but as you say, it is your right to do so if you wish. x | |||
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" You have friends that smoke? I thought you hated smokers? I assume 'Savanna' is your real name then? C'mon, we're swingers. How much honesty does one need to decide to fuck someone. It's not exactly marriage we're signing up to is it." And that just about sums it up! No need to be honest eh? I have one more word that fits well! Puerile! | |||
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" I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. " You're shit at guessing games. | |||
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"Its all about being honest. If someone deceives you about smoking what else are they being deceptive about! I assume 'Savanna' is your real name then? C'mon, we're swingers. How much honesty does one need to decide to fuck someone. It's not exactly marriage we're signing up to is it." Ok suck on this. You meet a guy who has an STD and didn't tell you till afterwards by your standards you aren't going to mind one little bit. Or do you have dual standards? There is a box on profiles to state if you smoke and if you will meet smokers. To smoke and not tick it indicates you hide things. As for names when signing up to the site it asks you specifically not to use your real name does it not. You are grasping at straws trying to justify a habit that will in time reduce your ability to gain and maintain an erection and that is true with scientific facts to prove it although i really dont think you will want to acknowledge that somehow. | |||
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" You have friends that smoke? I thought you hated smokers? I assume 'Savanna' is your real name then? C'mon, we're swingers. How much honesty does one need to decide to fuck someone. It's not exactly marriage we're signing up to is it. And that just about sums it up! No need to be honest eh? I have one more word that fits well! Puerile! "So how do you verify people you meet in clubs? Do you grill them in the bar area about their life before heading off to a playroom. you have no way of knowing if a total stranger is telling you the truth or not before having sex with them. If that were the case a lot more women in this world wouldn't be hoodwinked by a man with only one thing on his mind. As for peurile, let's keep the insults out of it eh? | |||
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" You have friends that smoke? I thought you hated smokers? I assume 'Savanna' is your real name then? C'mon, we're swingers. How much honesty does one need to decide to fuck someone. It's not exactly marriage we're signing up to is it. And that just about sums it up! No need to be honest eh? I have one more word that fits well! Puerile! "some smokers are honest, they let people know and you can choose to avoid. Some try to justify deceiving people that they do and the second type you just can't respect in my book. | |||
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" You are grasping at straws trying to justify a habit that will in time reduce your ability to gain and maintain an erection and that is true with scientific facts to prove it although i really dont think you will want to acknowledge that somehow. " I love this particular argument. I've smoked for a very long time and have a 14y/o daughter, a 2y/o son and another on the way. I'd say I'm in fine working order ta.  | |||
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" You have friends that smoke? I thought you hated smokers? I assume 'Savanna' is your real name then? C'mon, we're swingers. How much honesty does one need to decide to fuck someone. It's not exactly marriage we're signing up to is it. And that just about sums it up! No need to be honest eh? I have one more word that fits well! Puerile!
So how do you verify people you meet in clubs? Do you grill them in the bar area about their life before heading off to a playroom. you have no way of knowing if a total stranger is telling you the truth or not before having sex with them. If that were the case a lot more women in this world wouldn't be hoodwinked by a man with only one thing on his mind.
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" You are grasping at straws trying to justify a habit that will in time reduce your ability to gain and maintain an erection and that is true with scientific facts to prove it although i really dont think you will want to acknowledge that somehow. I love this particular argument. I've smoked for a very long time and have a 14y/o daughter, a 2y/o son and another on the way. I'd say I'm in fine working order ta. "Do you smoke round your child? | |||
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" You are grasping at straws trying to justify a habit that will in time reduce your ability to gain and maintain an erection and that is true with scientific facts to prove it although i really dont think you will want to acknowledge that somehow. I love this particular argument. I've smoked for a very long time and have a 14y/o daughter, a 2y/o son and another on the way. I'd say I'm in fine working order ta.
Do you smoke round your child?"Nope. Not in the car nor in the house. I smoke outside in the garden and tbh, in pubs and clubs, it's a great way of getting away from someone we don't want to talk to - even Siren jokes that it's handy that I smoke sometimes. | |||
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" You are grasping at straws trying to justify a habit that will in time reduce your ability to gain and maintain an erection and that is true with scientific facts to prove it although i really dont think you will want to acknowledge that somehow. I love this particular argument. I've smoked for a very long time and have a 14y/o daughter, a 2y/o son and another on the way. I'd say I'm in fine working order ta.
Do you smoke round your child?
Nope. Not in the car nor in the house. I smoke outside in the garden and tbh, in pubs and clubs, it's a great way of getting away from someone we don't want to talk to - even Siren jokes that it's handy that I smoke sometimes. "So why do you not smoke round your child? | |||
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" You are grasping at straws trying to justify a habit that will in time reduce your ability to gain and maintain an erection and that is true with scientific facts to prove it although i really dont think you will want to acknowledge that somehow. I love this particular argument. I've smoked for a very long time and have a 14y/o daughter, a 2y/o son and another on the way. I'd say I'm in fine working order ta.
Do you smoke round your child?
Nope. Not in the car nor in the house. I smoke outside in the garden and tbh, in pubs and clubs, it's a great way of getting away from someone we don't want to talk to - even Siren jokes that it's handy that I smoke sometimes.
So why do you not smoke round your child?"Siren would cut my gonads off in my sleep. | |||
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" As for peurile, let's keep the insults out of it eh?" My apologies if you took that as an insult. I was describing the way the thread had gone with your silly, throwaway comments. You must admit to getting a little that way! But if you want to think of it as an insult, feel free! As for clubs, we never play at clubs unless we have arranged to meet someone there. Why? Because as someone else has pointed out as well as you, we have no idea about the people there! Those at a club may have an STD or may be married and playing away. They may just be people we wouldn't normally meet! Yes it is possible that meets outside clubs may have this stuff too, but at least we can find out more about them! Overcareful? Maybe, but we have been swinging via the 'Net for 12 years (and magazines before that!) and have never had a crank, disease or someone who isn't what they say they are.. Works for us! | |||
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" You are grasping at straws trying to justify a habit that will in time reduce your ability to gain and maintain an erection and that is true with scientific facts to prove it although i really dont think you will want to acknowledge that somehow. I love this particular argument. I've smoked for a very long time and have a 14y/o daughter, a 2y/o son and another on the way. I'd say I'm in fine working order ta.
Do you smoke round your child?
Nope. Not in the car nor in the house. I smoke outside in the garden and tbh, in pubs and clubs, it's a great way of getting away from someone we don't want to talk to - even Siren jokes that it's handy that I smoke sometimes.
So why do you not smoke round your child?
Siren would cut my gonads off in my sleep. "But you could do it while she is out you dont haver to tell your partner so why don't you do it? | |||
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" So why do you not smoke round your child? Siren would cut my gonads off in my sleep.
But you could do it while she is out you dont haver to tell your partner so why don't you do it?"Cos he's usually pissed in the corner on 15 pints of lager I've carelessly left lying around and doesn't want a fag. Do you really want a serious answer to this question? | |||
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" So why do you not smoke round your child? Siren would cut my gonads off in my sleep.
But you could do it while she is out you dont haver to tell your partner so why don't you do it?
Cos he's usually pissed in the corner on 15 pints of lager I've carelessly left lying around and doesn't want a fag.
Do you really want a serious answer to this question? "Yes i want a serious answer why you don't smoke round your child. As you say smoking can be covered up so you could do without your partner knowing. So seriously why don't you smoke round your child? | |||
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" So why do you not smoke round your child? Siren would cut my gonads off in my sleep.
But you could do it while she is out you dont haver to tell your partner so why don't you do it?
Cos he's usually pissed in the corner on 15 pints of lager I've carelessly left lying around and doesn't want a fag.
Do you really want a serious answer to this question?
Yes i want a serious answer why you don't smoke round your child. As you say smoking can be covered up so you could do without your partner knowing. So seriously why don't you smoke round your child?"Because he's 2 years old and unable to comprehend the ability to make his own decisions. When he reaches maturity he can choose to be around smokers or not, but before then it wouldn't be fair of me to make that choice for him. plus Siren would REALLY cut my balls off if I did. | |||
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" So why do you not smoke round your child? Siren would cut my gonads off in my sleep.
But you could do it while she is out you dont haver to tell your partner so why don't you do it?
Cos he's usually pissed in the corner on 15 pints of lager I've carelessly left lying around and doesn't want a fag.
Do you really want a serious answer to this question?
Yes i want a serious answer why you don't smoke round your child. As you say smoking can be covered up so you could do without your partner knowing. So seriously why don't you smoke round your child?
Because he's 2 years old and unable to comprehend the ability to make his own decisions. When he reaches maturity he can choose to be around smokers or not, but before then it wouldn't be fair of me to make that choice for him. plus Siren would REALLY cut my balls off if I did."Well at 2 years of age he may just be starting to realise but for the first 15 months or more the child would have no concept of what a cigarette was so did you smoke round the baby then? If not why and yes once again its a serious question. | |||
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" - That's about as serious as you're gonna get from me on this one."Strange you won't be honest about your reasons. I think you are avoiding admitting you have double standards on this. | |||
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" - That's about as serious as you're gonna get from me on this one.
Strange you won't be honest about your reasons.
I think you are avoiding admitting you have double standards on this."What is it you're looking for me to say? That it is unhealthy to smoke around a child? That passive smoking is real? That I'd be an irresponsible parent for smoking around a child? Yes, to all three questions. But that isn't what this discussion is about. It's about telling people up front whether one smokes or not and I still don't think it's neccessary if, as in the case of the OP, the couple concerned were clean and didn't smell of smoke, didn't have nicotine pouring out of their sweat glands and got on very well with the OP. Just what are you forlornly trying to prove here. Our profile says I smoke, I haven't lied about it. | |||
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"I think the op has answered all yr questions....it comes across as just nit picking now .... Not really as the OP is avoiding giving the real reason. It does show how far some smokers will go to avoid honesty though. " Well you would have to live on the moon not to know smoking is bad for your health, which is what you are so desperate for him to say. Why? He has not advocated at any point, non smokers having smoke inflicted on them, get over it Savanna, its coming across really petty. | |||
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" - That's about as serious as you're gonna get from me on this one.
Strange you won't be honest about your reasons.
I think you are avoiding admitting you have double standards on this.
What is it you're looking for me to say? That it is unhealthy to smoke around a child? That passive smoking is real? That I'd be an irresponsible parent for smoking around a child?
Yes, to all three questions.
But that isn't what this discussion is about. It's about telling people up front whether one smokes or not and I still don't think it's neccessary if, as in the case of the OP, the couple concerned were clean and didn't smell of smoke, didn't have nicotine pouring out of their sweat glands and got on very well with the OP.
Just what are you forlornly trying to prove here. Our profile says I smoke, I haven't lied about it. " | |||
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"2Hunters... I really don't want to get into this too deep, but could you go back, read my post and quote the bit where I say it is OK to lie? I think you will find that I said lying about age is not as bad as age is a ball park thing, whereas smoking if it’s no, is a no! " What about people who are, say 25, and have an absolute upper limit of 40 because any higher and they'd feel like they were shagging an aunt or uncle? Is it ok to fib about age then? | |||
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" - That's about as serious as you're gonna get from me on this one.
Strange you won't be honest about your reasons.
I think you are avoiding admitting you have double standards on this.
What is it you're looking for me to say? That it is unhealthy to smoke around a child? That passive smoking is real? That I'd be an irresponsible parent for smoking around a child?
Yes, to all three questions.
But that isn't what this discussion is about. It's about telling people up front whether one smokes or not and I still don't think it's neccessary if, as in the case of the OP, the couple concerned were clean and didn't smell of smoke, didn't have nicotine pouring out of their sweat glands and got on very well with the OP.
Just what are you forlornly trying to prove here. Our profile says I smoke, I haven't lied about it. "Actually i am not trying to prove anything far from it the facts are out there along with how it affects blood flow and erections. Im not the one trying to avoid facts and if you had said that the first time i would have had more respect for you. The fact you don't smoke in the car or house is more than a lot of smokers do with children. Anyway the thread is about smokers honesty or lack of it and now you are being honest to a point i will not peruse that avenue. What i was pointing out with your own help is that often smokers will avoid being honest about their habit and how passive smoke isn't pleasant. Oh and yes nicotine does come out in pours when sweating as it does in seaman. | |||
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seroiusly I would never smoke in
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" Oh and yes nicotine does come out in pours when sweating as it does in seaman." Only if the SeaMan is a smoker | |||
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"I think the op has answered all yr questions....it comes across as just nit picking now .... Not really as the OP is avoiding giving the real reason. It does show how far some smokers will go to avoid honesty though. Well you would have to live on the moon not to know smoking is bad for your health, which is what you are so desperate for him to say. Why? He has not advocated at any point, non smokers having smoke inflicted on them, get over it Savanna, its coming across really petty." Well i didn't bring children into it the OP did and as he did its valid to ask and as he avoided the question twice it goes to show smokers are reluctant to be honest about it at times. | |||
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" Oh and yes nicotine does come out in pours when sweating as it does in seaman. Only if the SeaMan is a smoker "That's true thanks for pointing out. | |||
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"I got so fed up with this attitude I posted"I am prepared to meet non smokers as long as they bring me a packet of fags" I also said"What do they think I am going to do set the bed on fire"
Stands by for dissapproval
seroiusly I would never smoke in
someone else house.I have more respect
as im their guest."I am the same as you... I get so fed up with guys who won't suck my cock... bloody, bloody, preferences.... I even say I will suck them as I am a guest in their house
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"How does a forum post become about lying become like this lol. I don't think the point was about smoking and the affects of your health. This is after all a swingers site last time I checked. Yes honesty is the way to go but whether someone smokes or not is their choice like many other things in life.......!! Ooft no wonder people are scared to post in the forums." Said become twice btw...oops | |||
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"I think the op has answered all yr questions....it comes across as just nit picking now .... Not really as the OP is avoiding giving the real reason. It does show how far some smokers will go to avoid honesty though. Well you would have to live on the moon not to know smoking is bad for your health, which is what you are so desperate for him to say. Why? He has not advocated at any point, non smokers having smoke inflicted on them, get over it Savanna, its coming across really petty. Well i didn't bring children into it the OP did and as he did its valid to ask and as he avoided the question twice it goes to show smokers are reluctant to be honest about it at times. " I understand what you are saying, but the whole thing about smoking around others and the benefits and contraindications was never in question. It was more about kissing and playing with those that smelled or tasted of smoke. | |||
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" Oh and yes nicotine does come out in pours when sweating as it does in seaman. Only if the SeaMan is a smoker "haha luv it | |||
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"I'm not the OP.
The OP isn't always the tread starter, google for clarification. The OP can be a third party not named within a thread.
OP = opening post/poster. "ah wishy take no notice. do you have a flat head, only if you do your more than welcome to smoke round me | |||
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"I'm not the OP.
The OP isn't always the tread starter, google for clarification. The OP can be a third party not named within a thread.
OP = opening post/poster. "Not in every case it can mean is in the third person, but as you are smarting and feel the need to pick feel free, on the other hand a lighter and 10 Benson at the bottom of the garden may alleviate your frustration more fully. | |||
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"I'm not the OP.
The OP isn't always the tread starter, google for clarification. The OP can be a third party not named within a thread.
OP = opening post/poster.
Not in every case it can mean is in the third person, but as you are smarting and feel the need to pick feel free, on the other hand a lighter and 10 Benson at the bottom of the garden may alleviate your frustration more fully."To be honest personally bashing someone in a public forum is pretty shitty. So you don't like smokers. Point made and made and made some more. Think we get it | |||
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The OP isn't always the tread starter, google for clarification. The OP can be a third party not named within a thread.
OP = opening post/poster.
ah wishy take no notice. do you have a flat head, only if you do your more than welcome to smoke round me "Notice? It's broken up what would have been a somewhat boring afternoon. (have popped out to have the occassional sly fag in the garden though but I made sure I blew it all out and waved the air a bit with my arms before coming back on here, in case anyone sussed I'd been... um.... ssshhh.... smoking!) | |||
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The OP isn't always the tread starter, google for clarification. The OP can be a third party not named within a thread.
OP = opening post/poster.
Not in every case it can mean is in the third person, but as you are smarting and feel the need to pick feel free, on the other hand a lighter and 10 Benson at the bottom of the garden may alleviate your frustration more fully."ooooooh could you make that 20 please | |||
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"I think the op has answered all yr questions....it comes across as just nit picking now .... Not really as the OP is avoiding giving the real reason. It does show how far some smokers will go to avoid honesty though. Well you would have to live on the moon not to know smoking is bad for your health, which is what you are so desperate for him to say. Why? He has not advocated at any point, non smokers having smoke inflicted on them, get over it Savanna, its coming across really petty. Well i didn't bring children into it the OP did and as he did its valid to ask and as he avoided the question twice it goes to show smokers are reluctant to be honest about it at times. I understand what you are saying, but the whole thing about smoking around others and the benefits and contraindications was never in question. It was more about kissing and playing with those that smelled or tasted of smoke." Personally its not my health in question as i dont smoke but i don't like the smell and won't meet people who do. In 3 over years on here there have been more than a dozen lie about smoking and you can't mask it what ever someone says. There are many who won't smoke round their children as well but strangely think it is fine to smoke around adults that don't. | |||
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" Notice? It's broken up what would have been a somewhat boring afternoon. (have popped out to have the occassional sly fag in the garden) "and very good you were too... altho I wouldn't call me sly... I say I am a shirt lifter | |||
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"I'm not the OP.
The OP isn't always the tread starter, google for clarification. The OP can be a third party not named within a thread.
OP = opening post/poster.
Not in every case it can mean is in the third person, but as you are smarting and feel the need to pick feel free, on the other hand a lighter and 10 Benson at the bottom of the garden may alleviate your frustration more fully."you asked me to google for clarification. I did. Try it yourself. The first link is for Team OP, whatever that is, the second is for Urban Dictionary's definition of OP: Original Poster. Please don't accuse me as being picky for doing something you asked me to do. | |||
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The OP isn't always the tread starter, google for clarification. The OP can be a third party not named within a thread.
OP = opening post/poster.
Not in every case it can mean is in the third person, but as you are smarting and feel the need to pick feel free, on the other hand a lighter and 10 Benson at the bottom of the garden may alleviate your frustration more fully.
To be honest personally bashing someone in a public forum is pretty shitty. So you don't like smokers. Point made and made and made some more. Think we get it "I have no issues with the person who smokes its the deception that irks. Now it was an open forum and has been here for many a year now and people have a point of _iew and as long as it doesn't break the rules. Is it so wrong to instil a habit of honesty in a swinging environment? | |||
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" Notice? It's broken up what would have been a somewhat boring afternoon. (have popped out to have the occassional sly fag in the garden)
and very good you were too... altho I wouldn't call me sly... I say I am a shirt lifter "and what a handsome shirt lifter you are too | |||
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"I'm not the OP.
The OP isn't always the tread starter, google for clarification. The OP can be a third party not named within a thread.
OP = opening post/poster.
Not in every case it can mean is in the third person, but as you are smarting and feel the need to pick feel free, on the other hand a lighter and 10 Benson at the bottom of the garden may alleviate your frustration more fully.
you asked me to google for clarification. I did. Try it yourself. The first link is for Team OP, whatever that is, the second is for Urban Dictionary's definition of OP: Original Poster.
Please don't accuse me as being picky for doing something you asked me to do. "Are you so desperate to try regain some credibility? Ok got one for you as i remember you adore google. "Smoking does effect the ability to get an erection. Smoking (nicotine) causes blood vessels and in the body to constrict. This reduces blood flow to extremities like fingers and toes and yes, no matter what size you are, your body considers your penis an extremity. So unllike Viagra and the like which open up the bloos vessels to make you a happy camper, smoking closes them down. Heavy smokers have more of a problem and the older the smoker the lesser the ride. Combine this with other maladies such as high blood pressure, anxiety, depression, prostate problems and any other number of problems and well...let's just say you're gonna be headin' down the runway but you won't be taking off." | |||
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" Notice? It's broken up what would have been a somewhat boring afternoon. (have popped out to have the occassional sly fag in the garden)
and very good you were too... altho I wouldn't call me sly... I say I am a shirt lifter
and what a handsome shirt lifter you are too "Hey, I'm a shirt lifter too!! Got a right good slap around the face the last time I tried it though... but then I was in Dorothy Perkins at the time and she was a rather lovely lass.  | |||
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" Notice? It's broken up what would have been a somewhat boring afternoon. (have popped out to have the occassional sly fag in the garden)
and very good you were too... altho I wouldn't call me sly... I say I am a shirt lifter
and what a handsome shirt lifter you are too "
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The OP isn't always the tread starter, google for clarification. The OP can be a third party not named within a thread.
OP = opening post/poster.
Not in every case it can mean is in the third person, but as you are smarting and feel the need to pick feel free, on the other hand a lighter and 10 Benson at the bottom of the garden may alleviate your frustration more fully.
To be honest personally bashing someone in a public forum is pretty shitty. So you don't like smokers. Point made and made and made some more. Think we get it
I have no issues with the person who smokes its the deception that irks. Now it was an open forum and has been here for many a year now and people have a point of _iew and as long as it doesn't break the rules. Is it so wrong to instil a habit of honesty in a swinging environment? "However someone who didn't start the post has ended getting the bashing!!......And as per the forum has went from a question about lying to some how being made about do you smoke infront of your children. Ummm forgive me but is that not somewhat off topic or are you just looking to cause an argument. Just speaking my mind in this open forum. Maybe we should chat about married men or STIs seems as much of the topic and this has already gone | |||
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" Notice? It's broken up what would have been a somewhat boring afternoon. (have popped out to have the occassional sly fag in the garden)
and very good you were too... altho I wouldn't call me sly... I say I am a shirt lifter
and what a handsome shirt lifter you are too
Hey, I'm a shirt lifter too!! Got a right good slap around the face the last time I tried it though... but then I was in Dorothy Perkins at the time and she was a rather lovely lass. "hey dont forget i saw you a long long time ago for a brief min on cam in a chat room. once seen never forgotten, still have nightmares | |||
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"Its all about being honest. If someone deceives you about smoking what else are they being deceptive about! I assume 'Savanna' is your real name then? C'mon, we're swingers. How much honesty does one need to decide to fuck someone. It's not exactly marriage we're signing up to is it. Ok suck on this. You meet a guy who has an STD and didn't tell you till afterwards by your standards you aren't going to mind one little bit. Or do you have dual standards? There is a box on profiles to state if you smoke and if you will meet smokers. To smoke and not tick it indicates you hide things. As for names when signing up to the site it asks you specifically not to use your real name does it not. You are grasping at straws trying to justify a habit that will in time reduce your ability to gain and maintain an erection and that is true with scientific facts to prove it although i really dont think you will want to acknowledge that somehow. " Wishy i see you failed to answer this part earlier "Ok suck on this. You meet a guy who has an STD and didn't tell you till afterwards by your standards you aren't going to mind one little bit. Or do you have dual standards?" | |||
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"Are you trying to say that enough people have been swab tested at airports to conclude that smoking can be traced through sweat residue left on clothing? I've travelled a lot and have never had my suitcase opened let alone swab tested. Anti-smokers pick up on all sorts of soundbites released by ASH and believe them to be an absolute fact. I've smoked for 35 years and I sleep naked - yet funnily enough there is no 'jesus'-like imprint of my nicorette stinking body on our bedsheets. Another Knee-Jerk reaction for you! Come on Wishy (and your merry little band!) I never said that they swab for nicotine at airports. I said they swab for drugs and that sweat does bring out what is in the body. Whether you like it or not, it is a biological fact! Take the piss (a sure sign that you have nothing useful to say) all you like. Twist what I said to suit your own needs. It makes no difference to me. I was just pointing out what I have learned from working in a public health lab about the effects of smoking on human biology. I don’t need ASH to tell me anything or provide soundbites, but I do know one thing. As a smoker, you may one day be glad of the research that my colleagues carried out and still are! I must also say this. I do not want the anti-smoking lobby to win! I like that smokers pay billions into the coffers of the government. I love the fact that they kept me employed for years. If you can afford to spend £40 per week on cigarettes, go for it! What I don’t like is the fact, yes FACT that some of our friends smoke and I know what fate awaits them, but their choice… " YEAH you might want them to win BUT will you want to be paying the extra TAX that will be levied on you because its not coming from smoking anymore??? as you stated BILLIONS of tax ... The CASH has to come from somewhere!!!!!!!! | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. " I think thats the most patronising generalisation i have read in a long time | |||
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The OP isn't always the tread starter, google for clarification. The OP can be a third party not named within a thread.
OP = opening post/poster.
Not in every case it can mean is in the third person, but as you are smarting and feel the need to pick feel free, on the other hand a lighter and 10 Benson at the bottom of the garden may alleviate your frustration more fully.
To be honest personally bashing someone in a public forum is pretty shitty. So you don't like smokers. Point made and made and made some more. Think we get it
I have no issues with the person who smokes its the deception that irks. Now it was an open forum and has been here for many a year now and people have a point of _iew and as long as it doesn't break the rules. Is it so wrong to instil a habit of honesty in a swinging environment?
However someone who didn't start the post has ended getting the bashing!!......And as per the forum has went from a question about lying to some how being made about do you smoke infront of your children. Ummm forgive me but is that not somewhat off topic or are you just looking to cause an argument.
Just speaking my mind in this open forum. Maybe we should chat about married men or STIs seems as much of the topic and this has already gone "It happens and has happened over the years on here and on those topics above even. To expect a thread to stay on topic is hopeful at best. And no its not individual bashing, nothing offensive has been put in but if you think there has report it and the mods will address. Children were not brought up by me if you care to look back either. This is 2011, its Britain and at the moment we can express an opinion as long as its within the forum rules. | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation i have read in a long time" +1 in my student times, i done some research inrto smoking...now I'm afraid its not a habit everyone likes but when they start telling me its the cause of almost every health problem then thats when i can laugh, in our most polluted areas there can be an inhaling of the equivillent of 20 cigarettes.passive smoking comes in many forms, not just cigarettes...... anyway to those who are having a bit of a stressful time during this post: if u smoke, have one if u dont, get one of those electronic ones | |||
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"How about the dishonest lying fucker non-smokers who tick "won't meet smokers" on their profile but then message you saying they do? It’s the same thing isn’t it, ticking a box, saying you don’t do something when in fact you do. Is it a non-smoker mentality which seems to give them the right to decide when lying is appropriate or not. " I'll take the silence as confirmation. | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation i have read in a long time +1 in my student times, i done some research inrto smoking...now I'm afraid its not a habit everyone likes but when they start telling me its the cause of almost every health problem then thats when i can laugh, in our most polluted areas there can be an inhaling of the equivillent of 20 cigarettes.passive smoking comes in many forms, not just cigarettes...... anyway to those who are having a bit of a stressful time during this post: if u smoke, have one if u dont, get one of those electronic ones" | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation i have read in a long time" Why? Is it not filthy? Does it not stain your fingers, taint your clothes and rooms in you smoke inside? Does it not smell? I can smell it so can millions of others. Is it not an addiction habit? You can get prescriptions to help break the addiction from your GP after all. Is it not detrimental to your health? Well if not sue the government for misleading you with the health warnings on packets. To call it patronising rather than admitting what i said was factual? Well some would look at that as being deceptive, you could possibly stretch it to being a personal point of _iew i guess. | |||
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"I'm not the OP.
The OP isn't always the tread starter, google for clarification. The OP can be a third party not named within a thread.
OP = opening post/poster.
Not in every case it can mean is in the third person, but as you are smarting and feel the need to pick feel free, on the other hand a lighter and 10 Benson at the bottom of the garden may alleviate your frustration more fully.
you asked me to google for clarification. I did. Try it yourself. The first link is for Team OP, whatever that is, the second is for Urban Dictionary's definition of OP: Original Poster.
Please don't accuse me as being picky for doing something you asked me to do.
Are you so desperate to try regain some credibility?
Ok got one for you as i remember you adore google.
"Smoking does effect the ability to get an erection. Smoking (nicotine) causes blood vessels and in the body to constrict. This reduces blood flow to extremities like fingers and toes and yes, no matter what size you are, your body considers your penis an extremity. So unllike Viagra and the like which open up the bloos vessels
to make you a happy camper, smoking closes them down. Heavy smokers have more
of a problem and the older the smoker the lesser the ride. Combine this with other
maladies such as high blood pressure, anxiety, depression, prostate problems
and any other number of problems and well...let's just say you're gonna be headin'
down the runway but you won't be taking off.""I'm assuming you copied that and as it's full of typos I'll also assume it was written by - let's say NOT a professional organisation, yeah? But let's address the issues: The things stated in the article you copied affect *some* people, not all, but what it doesn't say is that *some* NON-SMOKERS also have erectile problems, high blood pressure, prostate problems, depression, anxiety, et al. It is impossible to attribute all of man's (sic) maladies to a single cause, when so many people are affected by so many of the same things yet lead so very different lifestyles. Many cancers are known to have a hereditary link to them (breast cancer is one of them), and some families are highly prone to cancers that other families are not, yet they may lead parallel lifestyles. How does all that impact in real terms: Only those who smoke know how it affects them personally, and it would be relatively stupid to start smoking if Uncle Bert, Aunty Mabel, Mum, Dad and Nan all died of lung cancer. My own gradnfather smoked all his life, was a fireman during the blitz in london and worked as an electro-plater - all occupations that affect the lungs - yet he died of bronchopneumonia at the age of 77, brought about by contracting a common cold. If anything, I should be looking after my ticker as the men in my family (father's side) tend to drop down dead unexpectedly with heart attacks, but I'm not going to wrap myself in cotton wool and live in a cocoon. As for credibility, I'll leave to our peers to decide who has posted with credibility this afternoon. My work here is done. | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation i have read in a long time Why? Is it not filthy? Does it not stain your fingers, taint your clothes and rooms in you smoke inside? Does it not smell? I can smell it so can millions of others. Is it not an addiction habit? You can get prescriptions to help break the addiction from your GP after all. Is it not detrimental to your health? Well if not sue the government for misleading you with the health warnings on packets. To call it patronising rather than admitting what i said was factual? Well some would look at that as being deceptive, you could possibly stretch it to being a personal point of _iew i guess. "in ur OPINION u can say its smelly etc etc etc, u cant say that about EVERYONE can u??? as for facts, I have a nursing background, i know whats healthy and whats not also know alot about free will and consequences. there are many vices available to us, some call it 'drugs' some call it 'moderated lifestyle'- there are people who shouldnt climb mountains,skydive,go on aero-planes et c etc etc...I cant judge those who endanger their own lives can I??? | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation i have read in a long time Why? Is it not filthy? Does it not stain your fingers, taint your and rooms in you smoke inside? Does it not smell? I can smell it so can millions of others. Is it not an addiction habit? You can get prescriptions to help break the addiction from your GP after all. Is it not detrimental to your health? Well if not sue the government for misleading you with the health warnings on packets. To call it patronising rather than admitting what i said was factual? Well some would look at that as being deceptive, you could possibly stretch it to being a personal point of _iew i guess. "I do apologise about having an opinion that differs from yours ill keep quiet shall I ?? And yes i did find it patronising and responded in a like manner | |||
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"I smoke (started again this summer after two smoke free years. bah!) and I know I smell of smoke. Even if my clothes and hair don't, I know my fingers do after I've had a cig. So if thats a problem then don't meet me. Obviously it is a problem for the OP so she's right not to meet smokers. Dunno what all the kerfuffle is about really." + 1 ok so its all about honesty....hey ho...i always say because we meet people from a site. they can be whoever they want to be. they could say they are astronauts and we would have to take their word for it. as the OP stated she didnt smell it at the time, most prob wouldnt smell it the second time. bingo!! | |||
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"OP my thoughts on reading your thread is this They didn't want to pursue the meet so felt it was a kinder approach to pick on something that you are set against in your profile. My profile states I meet 35-55s. If we met a guy and I felt he was great and we had good feelings on the social meet. I then message him the next day saying I want to play, he doesn't reply for 2 days and then replies saying, I'm sorry I lied to you, I'm really 34. I would assume that he didn't want to play with me for whatever reason and he was letting me down gently. The couple knew you were interested and had they been then they would have gone ahead. They did not decline for your sake, people don't do that, it was about them and what they wanted, which is completely acceptable and what its all about. " i actually read the post like that also. | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation i have read in a long time Why? Is it not filthy? Does it not stain your fingers, taint your and rooms in you smoke inside? Does it not smell? I can smell it so can millions of others. Is it not an addiction habit? You can get prescriptions to help break the addiction from your GP after all. Is it not detrimental to your health? Well if not sue the government for misleading you with the health warnings on packets. To call it patronising rather than admitting what i said was factual? Well some would look at that as being deceptive, you could possibly stretch it to being a personal point of _iew i guess.
I do apologise about having an opinion that differs from yours
ill keep quiet shall I ??
And yes i did find it patronising and responded in a like manner"No you should not apologise for having an opinion however its a little rich quoting me and claiming i am being patronising and then when explaining facts responding in such a condescending manner. After all until you purchase the site you cannot deny me the right to an opinion as well. Out of interest which fact did you get confused about and thought wrong? | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation have read in a long time Why? Is it not filthy? Does it not stain your fingers, taint your and rooms in you smoke inside? Does it not smell? I can smell it so can millions of others. Is it not an addiction habit? You can get prescriptions to help break the addiction from your GP after all. Is it not detrimental to your health? Well if not sue the government for misleading you with the health warnings on packets. To call it patronising rather than admitting what i said was factual? Well some would look at that as being deceptive, you could possibly stretch it to being a personal point of _iew i guess.
I do apologise about having an opinion that differs from your
ill keep quiet shall I ??
And yes i did find it patronising and responded in a like manner
No you should not apologise for having an opinion however its a little rich quoting me and claiming i am being patronising and then when
explaining facts responding in such a condescending manner. After all until you purchase the site you cannot deny me the right to an opinion as well.
Out of interest which fact did you get confused about and thought wrong? "As I said I responded in a like manner (IE patronising as I found your first post and expressed my opinion that that's how I found it) Your second post seemed to suggest that I was wrong to see it that way However you picked up on the fact that my second post was patronising ( I was mearly giving an example) but you missed the fact that I'd stated it I will reiterate and say that I found your first post a patronising generalisation and that's my opinion I neither request or require an agreement from yourself or anyone As you are entitled to your own opinion and a great repector of that | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation i have read in a long time Why? Is it not filthy? Does it not stain your fingers, taint your and rooms in you smoke inside? Does it not smell? I can smell it so can millions of others. Is it not an addiction habit? You can get prescriptions to help break the addiction from your GP after all. Is it not detrimental to your health? Well if not sue the government for misleading you with the health warnings on packets. To call it patronising rather than admitting what i said was factual? Well some would look at that as being deceptive, you could possibly stretch it to being a personal point of _iew i guess.
I do apologise about having an opinion that differs from yours
ill keep quiet shall I ??
And yes i did find it patronising and responded in a like manner
No you should not apologise for having an opinion however its a little rich quoting me and claiming i am being patronising and then when explaining facts responding in such a condescending manner. After all until you purchase the site you cannot deny me the right to an opinion as well.
Out of interest which fact did you get confused about and thought wrong? "Filthy is not a fact, it is a point of _iew, it is subject to perspective, sadly perspective, in my opinion, is what's lacking in parts of this debate. | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation i have read in a long time Why? Is it not filthy? Does it not stain your fingers, taint your and rooms in you smoke inside? Does it not smell? I can smell it so can millions of others. Is it not an addiction habit? You can get prescriptions to help break the addiction from your GP after all. Is it not detrimental to your health? Well if not sue the government for misleading you with the health warnings on packets. To call it patronising rather than admitting what i said was factual? Well some would look at that as being deceptive, you could possibly stretch it to being a personal point of _iew i guess.
I do apologise about having an opinion that differs from yours
ill keep quiet shall I ??
And yes i did find it patronising and responded in a like manner
No you should not apologise for having an opinion however its a little rich quoting me and claiming i am being patronising and then when explaining facts responding in such a condescending manner. After all until you purchase the site you cannot deny me the right to an opinion as well.
Out of interest which fact did you get confused about and thought wrong?
Filthy is not a fact, it is a point of _iew, it is subject to perspective, sadly perspective, in my opinion, is what's lacking in parts of this debate. "Is it a clean practice? Do people leave ash on the floor, dog ends on the floor, do your clothes get contaminated with smoke particles if you are round someone smoking? So its fair to say its not a clean habit. Dirty, filthy are both words that can be used that fit. What would would you pick then? | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation have read in a long time Why? Is it not filthy? Does it not stain your fingers, taint your and rooms in you smoke inside? Does it not smell? I can smell it so can millions of others. Is it not an addiction habit? You can get prescriptions to help break the addiction from your GP after all. Is it not detrimental to your health? Well if not sue the government for misleading you with the health warnings on packets. To call it patronising rather than admitting what i said was factual? Well some would look at that as being deceptive, you could possibly stretch it to being a personal point of _iew i guess.
I do apologise about having an opinion that differs from your
ill keep quiet shall I ??
And yes i did find it patronising and responded in a like manner
No you should not apologise for having an opinion however its a little rich quoting me and claiming i am being patronising and then when
explaining facts responding in such a condescending manner. After all until you purchase the site you cannot deny me the right to an opinion as well.
Out of interest which fact did you get confused about and thought wrong?
As I said I responded in a like
manner (IE patronising as I found your first post and expressed my opinion that that's how I found it)
Your second post seemed to suggest that I was wrong to see it that way
However you picked up on the fact that my second post was patronising ( I was mearly giving an example) but you missed the fact that I'd stated it
I will reiterate and say that I found your first post a patronising generalisation and that's my opinion
I neither request or require an agreement from yourself or anyone
As you are entitled to your own opinion and a great repector of that"Its very strange you "neither request or require an agreement from yourself" yet took it on your self to give an opinion on my post. My advice to you is if you don't want someone to respond to you commenting on what you post then don't post in the first place. Or if you do then accept people have a right to respond. | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation i have read in a long time Why? Is it not filthy? Does it not stain your fingers, taint your and rooms in you smoke inside? Does it not smell? I can smell it so can millions of others. Is it not an addiction habit? You can get prescriptions to help break the addiction from your GP after all. Is it not detrimental to your health? Well if not sue the government for misleading you with the health warnings on packets. To call it patronising rather than admitting what i said was factual? Well some would look at that as being deceptive, you could possibly stretch it to being a personal point of _iew i guess.
I do apologise about having an opinion that differs from yours
ill keep quiet shall I ??
And yes i did find it patronising and responded in a like manner
No you should not apologise for having an opinion however its a little rich quoting me and claiming i am being patronising and then when explaining facts responding in such a condescending manner. After all until you purchase the site you cannot deny me the right to an opinion as well.
Out of interest which fact did you get confused about and thought wrong?
Filthy is not a fact, it is a point of _iew, it is subject to perspective, sadly perspective, in my opinion, is what's lacking in parts of this debate.
Is it a clean practice? Do people leave ash on the floor, dog ends on the floor, do your clothes get contaminated with smoke particles if you are round someone smoking? So its fair to say its not a clean habit. Dirty, filthy are both words that can be used that fit. What would would you pick then?"Do doggers leave condoms lying around? Really I mean how far down this road are you going to go? You put your health at risk through swinging, you also put your children's health at risk if you share a bathroom. Is swinging detrimental to your health, yes, all the survey's say that if you have numerous sexual partners you run a far greater risk of getting an STI, yet you still do it, because thats YOUR choice.... World has gone mad, genuinely, and by the way, next time you are the biggest city where you live, and you walk down the highstreet, you are sucking in more cancer inducing chemicals than 10 cigarettes, you will "smell" of that airbourne pollution, you may even work up a bit of a sweat and the garlic you had for dinner the night before will come seeping out of your pores..... Smell? Health? Really in this world, with this much information available to you, you chastise people for exercising a right to behave how they wish, I dont mean non-smokers, had a lovely couple contact me the other day, but they didnt read my profile, first thing I did when checking their profile out was note that they "dont mean smokers", my FIRST message to them highlighted the fact that I smoke, it said it on my profile and that they wouldnt meet smokers..... | |||
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" Interesting seeing the reactions of smokers though. I guess the smoking mentality is to deceive yourself its not a filthy smelly habit that is detrimental to your health and others and its all fair to deceive others on about this addiction. I think thats the most patronising generalisation i have read in a long time Why? Is it not filthy? Does it not stain your fingers, taint your and rooms in you smoke inside? Does it not smell? I can smell it so can millions of others. Is it not an addiction habit? You can get prescriptions to help break the addiction from your GP after all. Is it not detrimental to your health? Well if not sue the government for misleading you with the health warnings on packets. To call it patronising rather than admitting what i said was factual? Well some would look at that as being deceptive, you could possibly stretch it to being a personal point of _iew i guess.
I do apologise about having an opinion that differs from yours
ill keep quiet shall I ??
And yes i did find it patronising and responded in a like manner
No you should not apologise for having an opinion however its a little rich quoting me and claiming i am being patronising and then when explaining facts responding in such a condescending manner. After all until you purchase the site you cannot deny me the right to an opinion as well.
Out of interest which fact did you get confused about and thought wrong?
Filthy is not a fact, it is a point of _iew, it is subject to perspective, sadly perspective, in my opinion, is what's lacking in parts of this debate.
Is it a clean practice? Do people leave ash on the floor, dog ends on the floor, do your clothes get contaminated with smoke particles if you are round someone smoking? So its fair to say its not a clean habit. Dirty, filthy are both words that can be used that fit. What would would you pick then?
Do doggers leave condoms lying around? Really I mean how far down this road are you going to go? You put your health at risk through swinging, you also put your children's health at risk if you share a bathroom. Is swinging detrimental to your health, yes, all the survey's say that if you have numerous sexual partners you run a far greater risk of getting an STI, yet you still do it, because thats YOUR choice....
World has gone mad, genuinely, and by the way, next time you are the biggest city where you live, and you walk down the highstreet, you are sucking in more cancer inducing chemicals than 10 cigarettes, you will "smell" of that airbourne pollution, you may even work up a bit of a sweat and the garlic you had for dinner the night before will come seeping out of your pores.....
Smell? Health? Really in this world, with this much information available to you, you chastise people for exercising a right to behave how they wish, I dont mean non-smokers, had a lovely couple contact me the other day, but they didnt read my profile, first thing I did when checking their profile out was note that they "dont mean smokers", my FIRST message to them highlighted the fact that I smoke, it said it on my profile and that they wouldnt meet smokers....."I did point out pollution ages ago....nobody reading???- sakes.... anyway, this post is more about being 'lied' to than being for or against smoking. Its not THAT bad a lie, the OP had fun...but can move on and find a definite no-smoking cpl. | |||
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"Are but I do agree you have the right to respond It was in my hble opinion you that had a problem with me having my opinion on your post And reading back through the thread I see you have very fixed and strong _iews on the subject of smoking and therefore I will leave it at that I will just agree to differ" I find it interesting that people think i have a strong _iew on smokers when the person in reality i do not. I don’t like people saying they don’t when they do, i don’t like the stale smell of smoke but equally find BO a turn off. I think that there aren’t big steeps from someone lying about smoking tobacco to lying about smoking cannabis but then it moves on to lying about other substances and we get to lying about needle use. Smokers are entitled to their habit, they pay for it, they pay excessive taxes (Unless they fraudulently use cigarettes that no duty has been paid on). If people are honest then its quite easy to avoid them. I do have issues with people turning up for meets and have stated they don’t smoke when they do and don’t think its unreasonable to object to people doing this and find it offensive that people don’t think you have a right to object to it. Oh and I am unimpressed at the fact many smokers are in denial at the results of smoking but i also have little sympathy with people who send money to Nigerian millionaires who want need £1000 to free funds so they can get £10 million into the country. | |||
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"As always with smoking threads it becomes the pro vs anti arguement the point of the thread was honesty and nothing more than that If you're honest then people have a choice " There's sommat I haven't been telling you... I was born with two fully functional 7" cocks. Do you like DP? | |||
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"Are but I do agree you have the right to respond It was in my hble opinion you that had a problem with me having my opinion on your post And reading back through the thread I see you have very fixed and strong _iews on the subject of smoking and therefore I will leave it at that I will just agree to differ I find it interesting that people think i have a strong _iew on smokers when the person in reality i do not. I don’t like people saying they don’t when they do, i don’t like the stale smell of smoke but equally find BO a turn off. I think that there aren’t big steeps from someone lying about smoking tobacco to lying about smoking cannabis but then it moves on to lying about other substances and we get to lying about needle use. Smokers are entitled to their habit, they pay for it, they pay excessive taxes (Unless they fraudulently use cigarettes that no duty has been paid on). If people are honest then its quite easy to avoid them. I do have issues with people turning up for meets and have stated they don’t smoke when they do and don’t think its unreasonable to object to people doing this and find it offensive that people don’t think you have a right to object to it. Oh and I am unimpressed at the fact many smokers are in denial at the results of smoking but i also have little sympathy with people who send money to Nigerian millionaires who want need £1000 to free funds so they can get £10 million into the country. " not in denial just choosing my life, I know my facts i know theirs,I can extrapulate many new ideas on what else might be an issue....dont tar us as being idiots thanks, as U might be well aware, there are people in all walks of life who smoke...in fact...some of them make the rules of this and other countries.Belittling people intelligence really isnt a way to get ur point across. | |||
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"As always with smoking threads it becomes the pro vs anti arguement the point of the thread was honesty and nothing more than that If you're honest then people have a choice There's sommat I haven't been telling you... I was born with two fully functional 7" cocks. Do you like DP?
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"As always with smoking threads it becomes the pro vs anti arguement the point of the thread was honesty and nothing more than that If you're honest then people have a choice There's sommat I haven't been telling you... I was born with two fully functional 7" cocks. Do you like DP?
Have I got a choice?
Yeah, you can be stabbed in the arse or up the arse. The spare one has to go somewhere y'know.
Up the arse then I hate to waste anything"If only it were true. It's one of my fantasies to have two cocks and use them simultaneously on one woman. I can wear a strappy? I have too much time on my hands lol | |||
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