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"£86000 ![]() That's a lot of money. He really should have organised a taxi or a chaffeur. | |||
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"£86000 ![]() I would of drove him about for 2 tickets on the plane ![]() | |||
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"£86000 ![]() He's got millions ... should of been more ! | |||
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"Could have got a custodial for being that wankered and hurting a child. I bet there's a few in prison for similar offences raising an eye!" Exactly ![]() | |||
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"£86000 ![]() I was thinking the same - it's peanuts for him and accidents cause devastating life-long injuries, devastation as well as loss of lives. | |||
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"Could have got a custodial for being that wankered and hurting a child. I bet there's a few in prison for similar offences raising an eye!" There are sentencing guidelines related to how over the limit a person is, and he didn't hit the threshold for a custodial sentence. | |||
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"Could have got a custodial for being that wankered and hurting a child. I bet there's a few in prison for similar offences raising an eye! There are sentencing guidelines related to how over the limit a person is, and he didn't hit the threshold for a custodial sentence. " Ah I see. Cheers. What about size of forehead threshold? | |||
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"I thought the maximum fine for drink driving was £2500?" Can be means tested. And he got a lotta means. | |||
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"About time drink driving became attempted murder as a charge tbh. It's only luck he didn't kill anyone" You forgot crimes against music and forcing the chessyiest of all cheese into our tv screens | |||
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"Shows how much he earns as it goes on percentages or something like that. Should have thrown the book at him. He knew what he was doing when he got behind that wheel. ??" What gets me about this is His Mum must have surely known he was pissed but still got in with him ![]() | |||
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"About time drink driving became attempted murder as a charge tbh. It's only luck he didn't kill anyone You forgot crimes against music and forcing the chessyiest of all cheese into our tv screens " That too ![]() | |||
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"About time drink driving became attempted murder as a charge tbh. It's only luck he didn't kill anyone" . And speeders, I'd give them 20 years hard labour ![]() | |||
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"Shows how much he earns as it goes on percentages or something like that. Should have thrown the book at him. He knew what he was doing when he got behind that wheel. ??What gets me about this is His Mum must have surely known he was pissed but still got in with him ![]() Couldn’t agree more. | |||
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"Could have got a custodial for being that wankered and hurting a child. I bet there's a few in prison for similar offences raising an eye!Exactly ![]() I didn't think the child was hurt. Just taken to hospital as a precaution? | |||
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"Does it matter who it is? Shouldn't the thread title say 'Convicted d*unk driver fined......'?" But how would we know who she was talking about | |||
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"The geezer has a net worth of over £62 million, and in 2016 alone made almost £15 million. In court, his earning was said to be £130,000 a week so when you look at it like that £86k is about 3 days work. He should have been given a custodial sentence!" Isnt he trying to get off drugs and drink though ![]() | |||
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"Jail is the only way cunts like him will learn hes a pathetic excuse of a man and all the tossers who are giving him all the support mainly other so called celebs should be ashamed ohh poor me ive got issues well most of us have but dont whine about it fucking moron " . Don't forget speeders as well, they kill more than drink drivers. 15-20 years minimum zero tolerance ![]() | |||
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"I think it was in relation to what he earns, about 5 days pay." Weeks wages for clipping a kid?, Bargain! just let me weld some Boudica spikes to the wheels first. | |||
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"He should be sacked but itv won’t do it. Any one else would be unemployed by now " Of course they wont bloody do it! Loads of people make loads of money, from Ant and Dec. | |||
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"Shows how much he earns as it goes on percentages or something like that. Should have thrown the book at him. He knew what he was doing when he got behind that wheel. ??What gets me about this is His Mum must have surely known he was pissed but still got in with him ![]() I'm a bit shocked he actually did it. I thought his mum would have stopped him. Unless it was painkiller/ alcohol mix and she hadn't realised. Maybe neither of them did. He's in a position of responsibility. Kids watch their shows. Hope it's his wake up call and he can get himself sorted. | |||
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"He should be sacked but itv won’t do it. Any one else would be unemployed by now Of course they wont bloody do it! Loads of people make loads of money, from Ant and Dec. " Quite possibly but should you or I be sacked if it was us? | |||
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"He should be sacked but itv won’t do it. Any one else would be unemployed by now Of course they wont bloody do it! Loads of people make loads of money, from Ant and Dec. Quite possibly but should you or I be sacked if it was us?" Jamie Carragher got sacked for spitting out of a car. | |||
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"He should be sacked but itv won’t do it. Any one else would be unemployed by now Of course they wont bloody do it! Loads of people make loads of money, from Ant and Dec. Quite possibly but should you or I be sacked if it was us?" It isnt us though. And he is possibly the biggest cash cow in the country. Money talks | |||
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"He should be sacked but itv won’t do it. Any one else would be unemployed by now Of course they wont bloody do it! Loads of people make loads of money, from Ant and Dec. Quite possibly but should you or I be sacked if it was us? It isnt us though. And he is possibly the biggest cash cow in the country. Money talks" Just trying to make the point that he did something wrong in his private life so why should his professional life suffer. Now, if he was on tv as a advocate of abstinence then yes. ![]() | |||
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"Shows how much he earns as it goes on percentages or something like that. Should have thrown the book at him. He knew what he was doing when he got behind that wheel. ??What gets me about this is His Mum must have surely known he was pissed but still got in with him ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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"I think it was in relation to what he earns, about 5 days pay. Weeks wages for clipping a kid?, Bargain! just let me weld some Boudica spikes to the wheels first. " He didn't clip a kid ![]() | |||
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"Half a weeks salary for him. I got fined more than that (half a weeks wages that is) for doing 83mph on a 50mph dual carriageway. Too lenient I say. " Different crime, different guidelines. Comparing apples and pears. | |||
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"£86000 ![]() Twat should have been put inside as well as the fine (which should have been MUCH more it's a piss in the ocean to him) Justice once again not done... | |||
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"Not much point fining him a few hundred quid is there. At that price he'll drink twice before doing it again " Fixed that for ya.... he will do it again and again because hes an alco that is pandered to by all and sundry | |||
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"I thought the maximum fine for drink driving was £2500?" New laws now.... | |||
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"£86000 ![]() You can't lock everyone up.... It would cost a fucking fortune and prisons are at breaking point as it is! He was sentenced in accordance with the guidelines. I suspect the original fine was higher but mitigation applied for it being a first time offence, no one hurt (not even this child everyone beats on about), his plea etc. He was also banned for 20 months (reduced to 14 if he agrees to do a course). This is exactly how anyone else would be tried under the same situation although o would imagine someone could get off the ban if it was proved they'd lose their job if they couldn't drive. | |||
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"Half a weeks salary for him. I got fined more than that (half a weeks wages that is) for doing 83mph on a 50mph dual carriageway. Too lenient I say. " And why did you do that.... | |||
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"Half a weeks salary for him. I got fined more than that (half a weeks wages that is) for doing 83mph on a 50mph dual carriageway. Too lenient I say. And why did you do that...." . It's an easy mistake when you've had a couple | |||
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"Half a weeks salary for him. I got fined more than that (half a weeks wages that is) for doing 83mph on a 50mph dual carriageway. Too lenient I say. And why did you do that..... It's an easy mistake when you've had a couple" So you were speeding and pissed? | |||
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"This whole Ant drink driving story has got me annoyed. If that was your average joe who carried out this crime he/she would be branded a public menace who put everyone in danger and should be locked up. But because it’s a celebrity everyone whips out the sympathy saying he needs help to overcome this problem he has. It’s rediculous how can you brand two people whom have done the same thing with different reactions? (I’m basing this by everyone’s opinion on the matter at work yesterday) " Don't be so ridiculous. If he was an average Joe we wouldn't have heard about it. This has been the main story on many news outlets through each stage and he's been given the largest fine to date. The fact that his addiction has played out in the public pic eye has led people to realise that things aren't as black and white as they seem. The law has been followed and he has been punished as per the guidelines used for everyone. Why do people think he should be punished outside the law? | |||
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"Shows how much he earns as it goes on percentages or something like that. Should have thrown the book at him. He knew what he was doing when he got behind that wheel. ??What gets me about this is His Mum must have surely known he was pissed but still got in with him ![]() It’s his mum so why did she not stop him ? I know if mine was still alive I would still do what I was told ![]() | |||
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"This whole Ant drink driving story has got me annoyed. If that was your average joe who carried out this crime he/she would be branded a public menace who put everyone in danger and should be locked up. But because it’s a celebrity everyone whips out the sympathy saying he needs help to overcome this problem he has. It’s rediculous how can you brand two people whom have done the same thing with different reactions? (I’m basing this by everyone’s opinion on the matter at work yesterday) " Your average Joe wouldn't have made the national media. They would however have been treated the same way by the judicial system. How the general public view them and their crime is a reflection of the world we live in. | |||
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"£86000 ![]() It represents half his weekly earnings. He will notice it but more than anything he seems genuinely remorseful. | |||
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" Having said that, I can see lawsuits coming on from the families involved, one of the ladies said she hasn’t been able to work for the last month, had this had been a normal guy or girl then I do wonder if the families would still be reacting in the same way. Geeky x" It was quite a smash going by the looks of the cars. His insurance will cover any damage and loss of earnings | |||
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"£86000 ![]() Most people are remorseful when they get caught. He may have problems but he has the means to address them too, he just needs the will and that comes from himself. | |||
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"Half a weeks salary for him. I got fined more than that (half a weeks wages that is) for doing 83mph on a 50mph dual carriageway. Too lenient I say. " Did you get a 20 month ban too? | |||
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" Having said that, I can see lawsuits coming on from the families involved, one of the ladies said she hasn’t been able to work for the last month, had this had been a normal guy or girl then I do wonder if the families would still be reacting in Geeky x It was quite a smash going by the looks of the cars. His insurance will cover any damage and loss of earnings" It's car insurance not loss of earnings insurance | |||
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"I appreciate he had just had a smash and would have looked a bit dazed anyway but when he was getting out of the car he actually looked pissed going by his eyes. Which makes me really surprised that his mother didn't take his car keys from him never mind getting into the car with him. Maybe people were pandering to him even with his drink problem, so hopefully now this happened they will get a bit tougher as sometimes although we may want to...pandering doesn't help Hopefully this will be the kick up the arse he needs ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
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" Having said that, I can see lawsuits coming on from the families involved, one of the ladies said she hasn’t been able to work for the last month, had this had been a normal guy or girl then I do wonder if the families would still be reacting in Geeky x It was quite a smash going by the looks of the cars. His insurance will cover any damage and loss of earnings It's car insurance not loss of earnings insurance " If you have to miss work because of a car crash they have to pay out for that too | |||
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"Could have got a custodial for being that wankered and hurting a child. I bet there's a few in prison for similar offences raising an eye!" Let’s be factual..... the child was taken to hospital purely as a precautionary measure and was not hurt. I don’t condone his behaviour in anyway but equally we need to stick to facts. He’s been taken through the judicial system just as anyone else has. The outcome will have opinions as yours but the fact remains that it was deemed fitting for him to receive a hefty fine and continue with his treatment. His celebrity status doesn’t mean we make an example of him. | |||
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"Could have got a custodial for being that wankered and hurting a child. I bet there's a few in prison for similar offences raising an eye! Let’s be factual..... the child was taken to hospital purely as a precautionary measure and was not hurt. I don’t condone his behaviour in anyway but equally we need to stick to facts. He’s been taken through the judicial system just as anyone else has. The outcome will have opinions as yours but the fact remains that it was deemed fitting for him to receive a hefty fine and continue with his treatment. His celebrity status doesn’t mean we make an example of him. " ![]() ![]() | |||
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" Having said that, I can see lawsuits coming on from the families involved, one of the ladies said she hasn’t been able to work for the last month, had this had been a normal guy or girl then I do wonder if the families would still be reacting in Geeky x It was quite a smash going by the looks of the cars. His insurance will cover any damage and loss of earnings It's car insurance not loss of earnings insurance If you have to miss work because of a car crash they have to pay out for that too" Yes, happened to us ![]() | |||
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"Could have got a custodial for being that wankered and hurting a child. I bet there's a few in prison for similar offences raising an eye! Let’s be factual..... the child was taken to hospital purely as a precautionary measure and was not hurt. I don’t condone his behaviour in anyway but equally we need to stick to facts. He’s been taken through the judicial system just as anyone else has. The outcome will have opinions as yours but the fact remains that it was deemed fitting for him to receive a hefty fine and continue with his treatment. His celebrity status doesn’t mean we make an example of him. " Exactly. The reality is there are people convicted of causing death by careless driving who don't get a custodial. People prosecuted for causing life altering injuries by dangerous driving rarely get a custodial. He actually got a harsh sentence with a 20 month ban. The best thing that could come our of this is people realising that motorists who ruin lives by by breaking driving laws rarely receive more than a slap on the wrist and the punishments for drink driving are laughably inadequate. Sadly I expect people revelling in the downfall of a celebrity (and that's not just directed at this thread, it seems to be a widespread view) will have a shortlived interest in road safety and will more than likely be back complaining how speed cameras are a cash cow before too long. Car culture means that as a society far too many people believe that they have a right to drive and forget that it's actually a privalege. | |||
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"Bless him. He's having a hard time ![]() My heart bleeds ![]() | |||
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"No sympathy, anyone who drink drives should be locked up, sorry to out a downer on this, but I lost my wife and unborn child to a drink driver" Gosh so sorry to hear that...We had a d*unk driver hit us too, he was 4times over the limit, hubby had to give up work and is still suffering from his injuries ![]() | |||
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"No sympathy, anyone who drink drives should be locked up, sorry to out a downer on this, but I lost my wife and unborn child to a drink driver Gosh so sorry to hear that...We had a d*unk driver hit us too, he was 4times over the limit, hubby had to give up work and is still suffering from his injuries ![]() I have before now reported a customer when he refused to leave his car keys and pick them up the following day | |||
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" Having said that, I can see lawsuits coming on from the families involved, one of the ladies said she hasn’t been able to work for the last month, had this had been a normal guy or girl then I do wonder if the families would still be reacting in Geeky x It was quite a smash going by the looks of the cars. His insurance will cover any damage and loss of earnings It's car insurance not loss of earnings insurance If you have to miss work because of a car crash they have to pay out for that too Yes, happened to us ![]() I can't see your insurance paying out for loss of earnings if the collision is your fault whilst driving under the influence ? | |||
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" Having said that, I can see lawsuits coming on from the families involved, one of the ladies said she hasn’t been able to work for the last month, had this had been a normal guy or girl then I do wonder if the families would still be reacting in Geeky x It was quite a smash going by the looks of the cars. His insurance will cover any damage and loss of earnings It's car insurance not loss of earnings insurance If you have to miss work because of a car crash they have to pay out for that too Yes, happened to us ![]() I understood it to be loss of earnings to the victims of the crash. | |||
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" Having said that, I can see lawsuits coming on from the families involved, one of the ladies said she hasn’t been able to work for the last month, had this had been a normal guy or girl then I do wonder if the families would still be reacting in Geeky x It was quite a smash going by the looks of the cars. His insurance will cover any damage and loss of earnings It's car insurance not loss of earnings insurance If you have to miss work because of a car crash they have to pay out for that too Yes, happened to us ![]() they won't for a fault accident, loss of earnings fall under uninsured loss claims and can't be recovered by the person at fault, only the non fault third party | |||
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" Having said that, I can see lawsuits coming on from the families involved, one of the ladies said she hasn’t been able to work for the last month, had this had been a normal guy or girl then I do wonder if the families would still be reacting in Geeky x It was quite a smash going by the looks of the cars. His insurance will cover any damage and loss of earnings It's car insurance not loss of earnings insurance If you have to miss work because of a car crash they have to pay out for that too Yes, happened to us ![]() Yes, this, Mr Landlord ![]() | |||
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"I don't condone the behaviour and believe the fine is justified when taking his income in to consideration. However, I don't believe his career should go downhill, he's taken responsibility and has been punished for it. No one bats an eyelid at the likes of Jimmy Carr, who can go on daytime and evening telly and joke about the fact he didn't pay his taxes. Yes I know they are completely different circumstances, but both broke the law and both have been punished for it. Everyone forgets what the likes of Jimmy Carr done as it's not something that is constantly advertised to put you off doing it. " . Jimmy Carr didn't break any laws ![]() | |||
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"Let me firstly say that to anyone that’s been affected by drink driving, I offer up my sincerest of heartfelt sorries and wish we had the ability to change your outcomes. Life is cruel at times to the least expecting and deserving. I reiterate that I DO NOT condone Ants behaviour. However do I think he was behaving rationally and in sound mind? I do not. We cannot underestimate mental health that impairs judgement. We have not walked his shoes....... rather than tear him apart, mostly because of celebrity status (we forget he’s a human being too ) Being a celebrity doesn’t give him super powers. We must allow the judicial system that we vote for to do their job in whatever way they see fit. They have looked at all the evidence and dealt with it as they have felt appropriate. Ant has to deal with the devestation he’s caused not only to the family directly, but his colleague Dec and his fans. The weight of the world is upon his shoulders because he failed to make a rational decision that many feel he was capable of doing, I do not. But then let’s look at our decision making? Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Not one person on this thread is a shining example of perfect. " Reads to me like you are condoning his behaviour. Leaving aside his celebrity status, what he did was dangerous. Lucky for him no one was seriously hurt, therefore he should be treated with the same contemp as any other drink driver., I'm sure he does have the weight of the world on his shoulders. Do I feel sorry for him? Nope. Do I think he made a rational decision to drink and drive? Yes I do. He's not the only person who deals and has dealt with problems. I do. Every. Single. Day. And I'm not alone. But I don't leave my 'glass house' after having a drink and drive my car. There is imho, nothing that justifies his behaviour. | |||
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"Let me firstly say that to anyone that’s been affected by drink driving, I offer up my sincerest of heartfelt sorries and wish we had the ability to change your outcomes. Life is cruel at times to the least expecting and deserving. I reiterate that I DO NOT condone Ants behaviour. However do I think he was behaving rationally and in sound mind? I do not. We cannot underestimate mental health that impairs judgement. We have not walked his shoes....... rather than tear him apart, mostly because of celebrity status (we forget he’s a human being too ) Being a celebrity doesn’t give him super powers. We must allow the judicial system that we vote for to do their job in whatever way they see fit. They have looked at all the evidence and dealt with it as they have felt appropriate. Ant has to deal with the devestation he’s caused not only to the family directly, but his colleague Dec and his fans. The weight of the world is upon his shoulders because he failed to make a rational decision that many feel he was capable of doing, I do not. But then let’s look at our decision making? Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Not one person on this thread is a shining example of perfect. Reads to me like you are condoning his behaviour. Leaving aside his celebrity status, what he did was dangerous. Lucky for him no one was seriously hurt, therefore he should be treated with the same contemp as any other drink driver., I'm sure he does have the weight of the world on his shoulders. Do I feel sorry for him? Nope. Do I think he made a rational decision to drink and drive? Yes I do. He's not the only person who deals and has dealt with problems. I do. Every. Single. Day. And I'm not alone. But I don't leave my 'glass house' after having a drink and drive my car. There is imho, nothing that justifies his behaviour. " I don’t and will not ever condone drink driving. Everyone has to accept responsibility for their own choices and decisions of course they do. However we have to accept that there are influences around us that can impact on the validity of those decisions and choices we make. I have never intimated he should be treated any differently to any other drink driver however he has. The level of fine far out weighs anything I have ever seen before and if that the jo public would never have seen levied. For that reason alone I’d support him appealing. We cannot make an example of anyone just because of their position in life. The ability to pay should not be reason to issue a unquantifiable fine. Contempt for what has been committed is totally acceptable but not for the individual when he has been through the judicial system and given his punishment. It’s done! Let the guy get on and rebuild his life. Just because he’s in the public eye it does not and will not ever give us the right to publically dicect him piece by piece. He’s a human being who made a poor decision that by the grace of god did not have the consequences that could possibly have been far more serious. It still does not warrant the level of anger/hatred towards him. Forgiveness makes for a better person. | |||
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"Let me firstly say that to anyone that’s been affected by drink driving, I offer up my sincerest of heartfelt sorries and wish we had the ability to change your outcomes. Life is cruel at times to the least expecting and deserving. I reiterate that I DO NOT condone Ants behaviour. However do I think he was behaving rationally and in sound mind? I do not. We cannot underestimate mental health that impairs judgement. We have not walked his shoes....... rather than tear him apart, mostly because of celebrity status (we forget he’s a human being too ) Being a celebrity doesn’t give him super powers. We must allow the judicial system that we vote for to do their job in whatever way they see fit. They have looked at all the evidence and dealt with it as they have felt appropriate. Ant has to deal with the devestation he’s caused not only to the family directly, but his colleague Dec and his fans. The weight of the world is upon his shoulders because he failed to make a rational decision that many feel he was capable of doing, I do not. But then let’s look at our decision making? Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Not one person on this thread is a shining example of perfect. Reads to me like you are condoning his behaviour. Leaving aside his celebrity status, what he did was dangerous. Lucky for him no one was seriously hurt, therefore he should be treated with the same contemp as any other drink driver., I'm sure he does have the weight of the world on his shoulders. Do I feel sorry for him? Nope. Do I think he made a rational decision to drink and drive? Yes I do. He's not the only person who deals and has dealt with problems. I do. Every. Single. Day. And I'm not alone. But I don't leave my 'glass house' after having a drink and drive my car. There is imho, nothing that justifies his behaviour. " . Ever broke the speed limit or had a quick phone call while driving?. Messed around with the stereo, or shouted at the kids in the back? We all do things that can have bad consequences, sometimes we chance life through bad decisions that seem passable at the time thinking everything will be ok. He broke the law and has faced the consequences of breaking it. | |||
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"Let me firstly say that to anyone that’s been affected by drink driving, I offer up my sincerest of heartfelt sorries and wish we had the ability to change your outcomes. Life is cruel at times to the least expecting and deserving. I reiterate that I DO NOT condone Ants behaviour. However do I think he was behaving rationally and in sound mind? I do not. We cannot underestimate mental health that impairs judgement. We have not walked his shoes....... rather than tear him apart, mostly because of celebrity status (we forget he’s a human being too ) Being a celebrity doesn’t give him super powers. We must allow the judicial system that we vote for to do their job in whatever way they see fit. They have looked at all the evidence and dealt with it as they have felt appropriate. Ant has to deal with the devestation he’s caused not only to the family directly, but his colleague Dec and his fans. The weight of the world is upon his shoulders because he failed to make a rational decision that many feel he was capable of doing, I do not. But then let’s look at our decision making? Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Not one person on this thread is a shining example of perfect. Reads to me like you are condoning his behaviour. Leaving aside his celebrity status, what he did was dangerous. Lucky for him no one was seriously hurt, therefore he should be treated with the same contemp as any other drink driver., I'm sure he does have the weight of the world on his shoulders. Do I feel sorry for him? Nope. Do I think he made a rational decision to drink and drive? Yes I do. He's not the only person who deals and has dealt with problems. I do. Every. Single. Day. And I'm not alone. But I don't leave my 'glass house' after having a drink and drive my car. There is imho, nothing that justifies his behaviour. I don’t and will not ever condone drink driving. Everyone has to accept responsibility for their own choices and decisions of course they do. However we have to accept that there are influences around us that can impact on the validity of those decisions and choices we make. I have never intimated he should be treated any differently to any other drink driver however he has. The level of fine far out weighs anything I have ever seen before and if that the jo public would never have seen levied. For that reason alone I’d support him appealing. We cannot make an example of anyone just because of their position in life. The ability to pay should not be reason to issue a unquantifiable fine. Contempt for what has been committed is totally acceptable but not for the individual when he has been through the judicial system and given his punishment. It’s done! Let the guy get on and rebuild his life. Just because he’s in the public eye it does not and will not ever give us the right to publically dicect him piece by piece. He’s a human being who made a poor decision that by the grace of god did not have the consequences that could possibly have been far more serious. It still does not warrant the level of anger/hatred towards him. Forgiveness makes for a better person. " I don't hate him. But yes, because he is in the public eye, like most people caught DD (my local paper names and shames them every week even after justice has been sevrved) he deserves what he gets. The man earns more than enough money to never have to drive himself. He shouldn't have done it. But he did. He made that choice. Therefore, being publicly dissected comes with the territory. Mental health issues are not an excuse. | |||
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"Let me firstly say that to anyone that’s been affected by drink driving, I offer up my sincerest of heartfelt sorries and wish we had the ability to change your outcomes. Life is cruel at times to the least expecting and deserving. I reiterate that I DO NOT condone Ants behaviour. However do I think he was behaving rationally and in sound mind? I do not. We cannot underestimate mental health that impairs judgement. We have not walked his shoes....... rather than tear him apart, mostly because of celebrity status (we forget he’s a human being too ) Being a celebrity doesn’t give him super powers. We must allow the judicial system that we vote for to do their job in whatever way they see fit. They have looked at all the evidence and dealt with it as they have felt appropriate. Ant has to deal with the devestation he’s caused not only to the family directly, but his colleague Dec and his fans. The weight of the world is upon his shoulders because he failed to make a rational decision that many feel he was capable of doing, I do not. But then let’s look at our decision making? Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Not one person on this thread is a shining example of perfect. Reads to me like you are condoning his behaviour. Leaving aside his celebrity status, what he did was dangerous. Lucky for him no one was seriously hurt, therefore he should be treated with the same contemp as any other drink driver., I'm sure he does have the weight of the world on his shoulders. Do I feel sorry for him? Nope. Do I think he made a rational decision to drink and drive? Yes I do. He's not the only person who deals and has dealt with problems. I do. Every. Single. Day. And I'm not alone. But I don't leave my 'glass house' after having a drink and drive my car. There is imho, nothing that justifies his behaviour. I don’t and will not ever condone drink driving. Everyone has to accept responsibility for their own choices and decisions of course they do. However we have to accept that there are influences around us that can impact on the validity of those decisions and choices we make. I have never intimated he should be treated any differently to any other drink driver however he has. The level of fine far out weighs anything I have ever seen before and if that the jo public would never have seen levied. For that reason alone I’d support him appealing. We cannot make an example of anyone just because of their position in life. The ability to pay should not be reason to issue a unquantifiable fine. Contempt for what has been committed is totally acceptable but not for the individual when he has been through the judicial system and given his punishment. It’s done! Let the guy get on and rebuild his life. Just because he’s in the public eye it does not and will not ever give us the right to publically dicect him piece by piece. He’s a human being who made a poor decision that by the grace of god did not have the consequences that could possibly have been far more serious. It still does not warrant the level of anger/hatred towards him. Forgiveness makes for a better person. I don't hate him. But yes, because he is in the public eye, like most people caught DD (my local paper names and shames them every week even after justice has been sevrved) he deserves what he gets. The man earns more than enough money to never have to drive himself. He shouldn't have done it. But he did. He made that choice. Therefore, being publicly dissected comes with the territory. Mental health issues are not an excuse. " Then I sincerely hope that mental health never touches your life if you’re so naive to think that it doesn’t impact on the individual, in far more reaching ways than a poor decision. I wish you well. I love the freedom of speech our democracy offers and therefore accept that we will have to agree to differ on this occasion...... I will always stand behind the individual who stands up to his failings and is judged within the law of the land as it currently stands. Accepts his punishment and strives to heal himself. Forgiveness is powerful ![]() | |||
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"Yes drink driving is totally wrong. He shouldn't of done it, we all know that. But for goodness sake, the man is mentally ill. He isn't in the right state of mind at all to make decisions. His brain is ill, it isn't capable of making decisions like a healthy brain. People with a healthy mind make bad decisions every day, the man deserves support. If a person broke their leg, would you expect that person to still be able to walk in exactly the same way as they did before they broke their leg? The answer is clearly no, yet with a mental health illness people expect you to be able to be exactly the same. He has been punished and now I sincerely hope that he receives the help and support that he so desperately needs to get back to good health again. " Well said hunny ![]() | |||
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"I don't hate him. But yes, because he is in the public eye, like most people caught DD (my local paper names and shames them every week even after justice has been sevrved) he deserves what he gets. The man earns more than enough money to never have to drive himself. He shouldn't have done it. But he did. He made that choice. Therefore, being publicly dissected comes with the territory. Mental health issues are not an excuse. " You're very right, mental health isn't an excuse, it is however a reason. | |||
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"He earns over £15,000,000 last year so the fine works out about 2 days money" The ability to pay should not be used as a reason to levy a higher fine. That’s not a fair penal system. | |||
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" Having said that, I can see lawsuits coming on from the families involved, one of the ladies said she hasn’t been able to work for the last month, had this had been a normal guy or girl then I do wonder if the families would still be reacting in Geeky x It was quite a smash going by the looks of the cars. His insurance will cover any damage and loss of earnings It's car insurance not loss of earnings insurance If you have to miss work because of a car crash they have to pay out for that too Yes, happened to us ![]() The comments were about the original comment that was quoted, ie about the people the d*unken driver hit | |||
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"He earns over £15,000,000 last year so the fine works out about 2 days money The ability to pay should not be used as a reason to levy a higher fine. That’s not a fair penal system. " I disagree | |||
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"He earns over £15,000,000 last year so the fine works out about 2 days money The ability to pay should not be used as a reason to levy a higher fine. That’s not a fair penal system. I disagree" Which you’re entitled to do! I’m happy to disagree ![]() | |||
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"He earns over £15,000,000 last year so the fine works out about 2 days money The ability to pay should not be used as a reason to levy a higher fine. That’s not a fair penal system. I disagree Which you’re entitled to do! I’m happy to disagree ![]() But that is how the law works and is why he was fined £86k.....its proportionate to what you earn now. | |||
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"Bring back hanging !" That's a little extreme don't you think? ![]() | |||
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"Bring back hanging ! That's a little extreme don't you think? ![]() Jail is extreme in this case. If we fill the jails up with drink drivers where will we put the murderers? | |||
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"Bring back hanging ! That's a little extreme don't you think? ![]() A jail sentence isn't the right treatment for a man who is very ill. He needs help. | |||
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"Let me firstly say that to anyone that’s been affected by drink driving, I offer up my sincerest of heartfelt sorries and wish we had the ability to change your outcomes. Life is cruel at times to the least expecting and deserving. I reiterate that I DO NOT condone Ants behaviour. However do I think he was behaving rationally and in sound mind? I do not. We cannot underestimate mental health that impairs judgement. We have not walked his shoes....... rather than tear him apart, mostly because of celebrity status (we forget he’s a human being too ) Being a celebrity doesn’t give him super powers. We must allow the judicial system that we vote for to do their job in whatever way they see fit. They have looked at all the evidence and dealt with it as they have felt appropriate. Ant has to deal with the devestation he’s caused not only to the family directly, but his colleague Dec and his fans. The weight of the world is upon his shoulders because he failed to make a rational decision that many feel he was capable of doing, I do not. But then let’s look at our decision making? Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones. Not one person on this thread is a shining example of perfect. Reads to me like you are condoning his behaviour. Leaving aside his celebrity status, what he did was dangerous. Lucky for him no one was seriously hurt, therefore he should be treated with the same contemp as any other drink driver., I'm sure he does have the weight of the world on his shoulders. Do I feel sorry for him? Nope. Do I think he made a rational decision to drink and drive? Yes I do. He's not the only person who deals and has dealt with problems. I do. Every. Single. Day. And I'm not alone. But I don't leave my 'glass house' after having a drink and drive my car. There is imho, nothing that justifies his behaviour. I don’t and will not ever condone drink driving. Everyone has to accept responsibility for their own choices and decisions of course they do. However we have to accept that there are influences around us that can impact on the validity of those decisions and choices we make. I have never intimated he should be treated any differently to any other drink driver however he has. The level of fine far out weighs anything I have ever seen before and if that the jo public would never have seen levied. For that reason alone I’d support him appealing. We cannot make an example of anyone just because of their position in life. The ability to pay should not be reason to issue a unquantifiable fine. Contempt for what has been committed is totally acceptable but not for the individual when he has been through the judicial system and given his punishment. It’s done! Let the guy get on and rebuild his life. Just because he’s in the public eye it does not and will not ever give us the right to publically dicect him piece by piece. He’s a human being who made a poor decision that by the grace of god did not have the consequences that could possibly have been far more serious. It still does not warrant the level of anger/hatred towards him. Forgiveness makes for a better person. I don't hate him. But yes, because he is in the public eye, like most people caught DD (my local paper names and shames them every week even after justice has been sevrved) he deserves what he gets. The man earns more than enough money to never have to drive himself. He shouldn't have done it. But he did. He made that choice. Therefore, being publicly dissected comes with the territory. Mental health issues are not an excuse. Then I sincerely hope that mental health never touches your life if you’re so naive to think that it doesn’t impact on the individual, in far more reaching ways than a poor decision. I wish you well. I love the freedom of speech our democracy offers and therefore accept that we will have to agree to differ on this occasion...... I will always stand behind the individual who stands up to his failings and is judged within the law of the land as it currently stands. Accepts his punishment and strives to heal himself. Forgiveness is powerful ![]() It does touch me. Like I said before. All the time. But it doesn't stop me knowing right from wrong. And when he has served his punishment then of course he should be able to move on with his life. He hasn't yet, And yes we have a difference in opinion and I respect that. | |||
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"I have read his mother was in the car with him? , could she not tell he was d*unk ? , or am I missing something !! . Twice over the legal limit , sorry but I think he should not be behind a wheel again ... My personal opinion .... " Do people not think that alcoholics go to extreme lengths to conceal their drinking? | |||
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"I have read his mother was in the car with him? , could she not tell he was d*unk ? , or am I missing something !! . Twice over the legal limit , sorry but I think he should not be behind a wheel again ... My personal opinion .... " ![]() | |||
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"£86000 ![]() Think he gets mor than that in a weeks wage. It's pennies to him. If anybody els did wot he did thay wood be band from driving for life or behind bars/in jail or both. So y has he just got a fine and a 2-3 months ban ? | |||
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"£86000 ![]() I thought it was a 20 month ban. | |||
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"£86000 ![]() That's what I understood. And yes, £86k is pennies for these folk. | |||
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"£86000 ![]() Mabey i miss hard it but my point still lies.... If anyone else did wot he did thay wood never be alowed in a car agen. If not locked up for it to. | |||
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"£86000 ![]() They really wouldn't be banned for life or behind bars. All judges have guidelines for sentencing that they have to adhere to. | |||
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"£86000 ![]() I don't agree I'm sure a judge wouldn't have shown him leniency just because he's on the telly. | |||
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"£86000 ![]() Sum People get locked up just for owing the tax man 10p He nearly killed sumone ! | |||
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"£86000 ![]() he didn't nearly kill anyone. One person went to hospital as a precaution. People don;t get punished for what could have happened | |||
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"£86000 ![]() Again, they don't. Sorry see side hut its this knee jerk, inflammatory dialogue that blows things way out of proportion. He didn't nearly kill someone, no one was hurt at all. I think he was a twat for drink driving and deserves the punishment he got but no more. | |||
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"he was d*unk behind the wheel, he lost control, someone couldve been killed or seriously injured. he was very very lucky. drink drivers should banned instantly 1st offence, 2nd time around a life ban. " He has been banned..... For 20 months..... | |||
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"£86000 ![]() Ok i gess i must have miss hard sumthing sumwear... ??? But i still think he's got of lite. Anyway let's keep it friendly and agree to disagree on this 1. | |||
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"£86000 ![]() ![]() So am i lol ![]() | |||
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"he was d*unk behind the wheel, he lost control, someone couldve been killed or seriously injured. he was very very lucky. drink drivers should banned instantly 1st offence, 2nd time around a life ban. " I've long said a second ban should be an automatic life ban. Be that for drink driving, speeding, whatever but anyone no one who has ever been banned twice is not safe on the roads, it's not a one off, it's not unlucky, it's persistently driving dangerously. | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. " theres also alot of stuff gone unreported, hes had several chances, and he continues to make bad choices, people are fed up with the chances hes getting... | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. " When Wayne Rooney got caught drink driving he got fined £170 some difference like. | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. When Wayne Rooney got caught drink driving he got fined £170 some difference like. " And still plays football with people cheering him on. | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. When Wayne Rooney got caught drink driving he got fined £170 some difference like. And still plays football with people cheering him on." and he will still be cheered on when he returns to tv | |||
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"I have read his mother was in the car with him? , could she not tell he was d*unk ? , or am I missing something !! . Twice over the legal limit , sorry but I think he should not be behind a wheel again ... My personal opinion .... Do people not think that alcoholics go to extreme lengths to conceal their drinking? " He didn't conceal it very well, he looked pissed as he got out of the car | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. theres also alot of stuff gone unreported, hes had several chances, and he continues to make bad choices, people are fed up with the chances hes getting... " What bad choices exactly? Putting himself into rehab after admitting he had a problem with medication. To me that is a good choice. The only thing I think he should have done is take some time out before rushing back in to the limelight. But that's fame for you unfortunately. | |||
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"Honestly there must be so many perfect people on here and I’d bet most have driven over the legal driving limit on many occasions because most have no idea actually how much even puts you over the limit!! Yes he was wrong to do what he did but no one was hurt and he’s paying the price and got the fine and ban but he doesnt deserve the abuse he’s getting!!" you actually trying to justify him doing it because you 'assume' most people on here drink drive???? | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. theres also alot of stuff gone unreported, hes had several chances, and he continues to make bad choices, people are fed up with the chances hes getting... What bad choices exactly? Putting himself into rehab after admitting he had a problem with medication. To me that is a good choice. The only thing I think he should have done is take some time out before rushing back in to the limelight. But that's fame for you unfortunately." as iv said earlier, alot as gone unreported. | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. theres also alot of stuff gone unreported, hes had several chances, and he continues to make bad choices, people are fed up with the chances hes getting... What bad choices exactly? Putting himself into rehab after admitting he had a problem with medication. To me that is a good choice. The only thing I think he should have done is take some time out before rushing back in to the limelight. But that's fame for you unfortunately." ps and whats fame got to do with it all??? | |||
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"Could have got a custodial for being that wankered and hurting a child. I bet there's a few in prison for similar offences raising an eye!" ![]() | |||
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"Could have got a custodial for being that wankered and hurting a child. I bet there's a few in prison for similar offences raising an eye! ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Honestly there must be so many perfect people on here and I’d bet most have driven over the legal driving limit on many occasions because most have no idea actually how much even puts you over the limit!! " Never for me, sorry if that makes me perfect but I see it as being an adult who thinks drinking and driving don't mix | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. theres also alot of stuff gone unreported, hes had several chances, and he continues to make bad choices, people are fed up with the chances hes getting... What bad choices exactly? Putting himself into rehab after admitting he had a problem with medication. To me that is a good choice. The only thing I think he should have done is take some time out before rushing back in to the limelight. But that's fame for you unfortunately. as iv said earlier, alot as gone unreported. " Like what? You really think the press would miss out on an opportunity to belittle him right now! Fame has a lot to do with it. It's a career you enter and can't easily get away from because of the press! | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. theres also alot of stuff gone unreported, hes had several chances, and he continues to make bad choices, people are fed up with the chances hes getting... What bad choices exactly? Putting himself into rehab after admitting he had a problem with medication. To me that is a good choice. The only thing I think he should have done is take some time out before rushing back in to the limelight. But that's fame for you unfortunately. as iv said earlier, alot as gone unreported. " That just sounds like speculation to me | |||
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"Honestly there must be so many perfect people on here and I’d bet most have driven over the legal driving limit on many occasions because most have no idea actually how much even puts you over the limit!! Never for me, sorry if that makes me perfect but I see it as being an adult who thinks drinking and driving don't mix" well said ![]() | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. theres also alot of stuff gone unreported, hes had several chances, and he continues to make bad choices, people are fed up with the chances hes getting... What bad choices exactly? Putting himself into rehab after admitting he had a problem with medication. To me that is a good choice. The only thing I think he should have done is take some time out before rushing back in to the limelight. But that's fame for you unfortunately. as iv said earlier, alot as gone unreported. " How do you know? | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. theres also alot of stuff gone unreported, hes had several chances, and he continues to make bad choices, people are fed up with the chances hes getting... What bad choices exactly? Putting himself into rehab after admitting he had a problem with medication. To me that is a good choice. The only thing I think he should have done is take some time out before rushing back in to the limelight. But that's fame for you unfortunately. as iv said earlier, alot as gone unreported. That just sounds like speculation to me " sounds like a alot of super injunctions to me. | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. theres also alot of stuff gone unreported, hes had several chances, and he continues to make bad choices, people are fed up with the chances hes getting... What bad choices exactly? Putting himself into rehab after admitting he had a problem with medication. To me that is a good choice. The only thing I think he should have done is take some time out before rushing back in to the limelight. But that's fame for you unfortunately. as iv said earlier, alot as gone unreported. How do you know? " i just know, im not allowed to say but it will come out eventually an then people will realise he has messed up on SEVERAL occasions. | |||
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"Honestly there must be so many perfect people on here and I’d bet most have driven over the legal driving limit on many occasions because most have no idea actually how much even puts you over the limit!! Never for me, sorry if that makes me perfect but I see it as being an adult who thinks drinking and driving don't mix" ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Honestly there must be so many perfect people on here and I’d bet most have driven over the legal driving limit on many occasions because most have no idea actually how much even puts you over the limit!! Yes he was wrong to do what he did but no one was hurt and he’s paying the price and got the fine and ban but he doesnt deserve the abuse he’s getting!! you actually trying to justify him doing it because you 'assume' most people on here drink drive????" No in no way am I justifying what he’s done as I said he was wrong. What I’m saying is most will have driven over the legal limit because they don’t know what it is. Stones and glass houses was the point I was making!! | |||
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" i just know, im not allowed to say but it will come out eventually an then people will realise he has messed up on SEVERAL occasions. " That is wise ![]() | |||
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"Funny how the papers choose who they report on though as some footballer was in court today after crashing in Sunderland and being found 3 times over the limit. He's still waiting on his sentence I don't agree with what ant did at all but I also don't agree with ripping him to pieces when he's already at the lowest point he can be. theres also alot of stuff gone unreported, hes had several chances, and he continues to make bad choices, people are fed up with the chances hes getting... What bad choices exactly? Putting himself into rehab after admitting he had a problem with medication. To me that is a good choice. The only thing I think he should have done is take some time out before rushing back in to the limelight. But that's fame for you unfortunately. as iv said earlier, alot as gone unreported. How do you know? i just know, im not allowed to say but it will come out eventually an then people will realise he has messed up on SEVERAL occasions. " He's an addict. He's admitted that. His marriage has fallen apart. He's just bring convicted of drink dribing. I think most people realise that these will be the culmination of a shit load of other incidents. It's not hard to analyse really is it? If you genuinely know more than that then hinting at it on a swinger's site monitored by the tabloids seems pretty daft to me | |||
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