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over a year ago
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"Sorry enough now he should be praised had enough of armed scum taking the piss he got what he deserved"
It will be interesting to see how this latest case pans out. The police had no choice but to investigate this death but,I wonder if any charges will come of it. If the facts are as have been reported so far,I would imagine it would be quite easy for any lawyer to defend the case, citing self defence. |
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On the news, they just had someone who claimed to be the burglar’s cousin stating that the alleged perpetrator of the crime, should not be out on bail. She said the burglar was a lovely guy, yet he was wanted for another burglary.
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"On the news, they just had someone who claimed to be the burglar’s cousin stating that the alleged perpetrator of the crime, should not be out on bail. She said the burglar was a lovely guy, yet he was wanted for another burglary. What world do they live in,obviously a lovely guy,that's why he was out robbing people
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They have to arrest him. He's bailed and not charged. Due process has to be followed and this is as much in the old guys interest as anybody else's, in fact it probably protects him more than anything else.
Non of this is unusual or inappropriate |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Heard a phone in this morning about this. Normally you expect one absolute rocket to phone in and talk about the perpetrator's human rights but it was pretty unanimous. The guy deserved exactly what he got.
If someone broke into our home, with my two young children asleep upstairs, I'm certain my Mr would do the same. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I feel very sorry for the old bloke. Alone in his home, threatened by 2 younger men. He was defending himself, I very much doubt he meant to kill the burglar. XXX |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"I feel very sorry for the old bloke. Alone in his home, threatened by 2 younger men. He was defending himself, I very much doubt he meant to kill the burglar. XXX"
Yes, it's disgraceful that people think its ok to come into your home and take your possessions. We have been burgled and its very distressing, fortunately we weren't at home, because I know what my husband would have done! |
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Some years back, in Luton, a guy and his family was tied up by robbers. He managed to get free and chased one of the robbers down in the street with a baseball bat, killed the guy and got jailed for murder. However, Public uproar ensued and he was equitted. Self defense! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Heard a phone in this morning about this. Normally you expect one absolute rocket to phone in and talk about the perpetrator's human rights but it was pretty unanimous. The guy deserved exactly what he got.
If someone broke into our home, with my two young children asleep upstairs, I'm certain my Mr would do the same."
Going to say right here and now, anyone breaking into my home has, as far as I'm concerned left any and all rights behind them at the point of entry. They'll get exactly what they deserve.
Its incredible that in this day and age, that the judicial process is so far behind the curve it's in danger of falling off entirely.
Its quite simple in my view...break into someone's house, but don't expect to recover to the point of ever being physically capable of doing it again. |
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If someone is capable of breaking into your home you don't know what else they're capable of. As far as I'm concerned anyone has the right to defend themselves against such an invasion.
If someone even attempted to break into Westminster or somewhere they'd be tasered or whatever before they made it in, so why shouldn't we be able to defend our properties and lives when someone is in our home? |
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"On the news, they just had someone who claimed to be the burglar’s cousin stating that the alleged perpetrator of the crime, should not be out on bail. She said the burglar was a lovely guy, yet he was wanted for another burglary.
They make you die (No pun intended), the toe rag was wanted for burglary already. What a wonderful guy and pillar of society he must have been. Sure the old man never intended to kill him but he was 78 years old and must have been petrified. If that means he picked up a knife to defend himself, his wife and his property then fair play to him. Must have still taken immense courage to do this under such threatening circumstances. Absolutely no sympathy for the scum that broke into his house. The dead man's family are not to blame but coming out with comments like this mean they get no sympathy either. Clearly from the same gene pool.
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I really feel for this guy.
Two people force their way into your home, at least one with a weapon.
You don't know what their intentions are.
You're terrified.
They force you into the kitchen and then one goes upstairs where your elderly wife is.
If it was us, with our young kids upstairs, neither of us would be about to wait and see if they've come to fix the door hinges... |
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By *aenMan
over a year ago
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I saw in the press today that his wife has dementia. So I’m guessing the idea of them both trying to escape together was a no go.
Many years ago I had a burglar break into the student house I was living in while I was there. As he came up the stairs I greeted him armed with an ice axe 
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"you must say to the police when they turn up he attacked me i fought backthen yourr coverd "
Not necessarily. You can only use "reasonable force" but the law doesn't detail what that allows is based on individual circumstances.
And then someone has to decide whether you went beyond reasonable force based on the evidence/your's and/or Witnesses' accounts. |
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A tip I got once from a friend -
If you do have to give a burglar what they deserve make sure you harm them on their front, not back - if back someone could argue they were running away so not self defence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If someone dies it has to be investigated???
Just because someone is arrested and interviewed doesn't mean they're going to prison.
Or do we advocate assuming that the first account of how someone died is good enough, and cases are never scrutinised?
It's just a process. |
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"Just seen that he has been released without charges.
Fantastic news!
Justice prevails. Sadly he'll more tjan likely have this nightmare in his head for the rest of his life."
I know; one of them got away  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I was burgled about 10 years ago, they got in through my dog flap. Common sense should of told them that if the flap is big enough for a 16 year old to climb through it belongs to a big dog.
Jess my Boer Boel bit his whole ear off! Simples my house, don't come in unless invited.
Good on the old chap for defending himself and his home! |
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"Just seen that he has been released without charges.
Fantastic news! "
Let’s now hope he gets any support he needs after dealing with such a shitstorm.
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I saw one of those morning tv programs where this was mentioned, most people who contacted the show basically had the opinion of it was free game on the burglar. He/she lost thier rights the minute he/she entered your home, so you grab what ever is closest to hand and use it. |
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I remember reading about a case many years ago where a burglar broke into a house and broke his ankle when he stepped into a gap in the floorboards caused by the home owner doing DIY. He sued the home owner and won |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If someone is capable of breaking into your home you don't know what else they're capable of. As far as I'm concerned anyone has the right to defend themselves against such an invasion.
If someone even attempted to break into Westminster or somewhere they'd be tasered or whatever before they made it in, so why shouldn't we be able to defend our properties and lives when someone is in our home?"
Very good point! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I remember reading about a case many years ago where a burglar broke into a house and broke his ankle when he stepped into a gap in the floorboards caused by the home owner doing DIY. He sued the home owner and won"
Madness!! |
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"I remember reading about a case many years ago where a burglar broke into a house and broke his ankle when he stepped into a gap in the floorboards caused by the home owner doing DIY. He sued the home owner and won"
There was a similar thing when a burglar cut himself on a knife the homeowner had left out. The burglar was climbing in through a window and put his hand onto the knife. This burglar also sued and won.
You simply don't know what the burglar is carrying. Tools for breaking and entering, knives, guns... So you have, in our view, every right to do what's necessary to defend yourself and your home should you find an intruder. Their rights should end the moment they illegaly enter your property. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Can I play devils advocate? I fully understand the sentiment and relate to most of this thread...but!
There seems to be an inherrent belief/support that the homeowner always has the right to do whatever they wish to the perpetrators?
Just because they're a victim doesn't mean they're justified in unreasonable force?
Law enforcement and military are constantly scrutinised in use of force.
"He had a gun but why not shoot him in the leg?"
If we fall into a society where were selective about who should be subject to scrutiny then we're regressing?
I am glad the gentleman is facing no charges IF he acted reasonably.
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"There is something in my mind, if you break the law, you are beyond the law.
How can you hide behind something you disrespect.
That in my world goes for a number of social values.
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So if you drive 35 mph in a 30 mph zone, the police should be able to kill you? |
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"There is something in my mind, if you break the law, you are beyond the law.
How can you hide behind something you disrespect.
That in my world goes for a number of social values.
So if you drive 35 mph in a 30 mph zone, the police should be able to kill you? "
I suspect the answer will of course be crimes that people don't agree with rather than offences they probably commit themselves.
Which makes a mockery of the frankly ridiculous stance that breaking the law makes you beyond the law |
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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago
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"There is something in my mind, if you break the law, you are beyond the law.
How can you hide behind something you disrespect.
That in my world goes for a number of social values.
So if you drive 35 mph in a 30 mph zone, the police should be able to kill you? "
You tell me? |
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"There is something in my mind, if you break the law, you are beyond the law.
How can you hide behind something you disrespect.
That in my world goes for a number of social values.
So if you drive 35 mph in a 30 mph zone, the police should be able to kill you?
You tell me?"
I'm not the one who thinks if you break the law, you are beyond the law. You apparently do think that, so I am asking if it extends to even the most minor offences. |
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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago
Up on them there hills |
"There is something in my mind, if you break the law, you are beyond the law.
How can you hide behind something you disrespect.
That in my world goes for a number of social values.
So if you drive 35 mph in a 30 mph zone, the police should be able to kill you?
You tell me?
I'm not the one who thinks if you break the law, you are beyond the law. You apparently do think that, so I am asking if it extends to even the most minor offences. "
I’ve I miss laid the common sense app? |
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"There is something in my mind, if you break the law, you are beyond the law.
How can you hide behind something you disrespect.
That in my world goes for a number of social values.
So if you drive 35 mph in a 30 mph zone, the police should be able to kill you?
You tell me?
I'm not the one who thinks if you break the law, you are beyond the law. You apparently do think that, so I am asking if it extends to even the most minor offences.
I’ve I miss laid the common sense app?"
So you don't think that committing minor offences should put you beyond the law. Where do you draw the line then, shoplifting? Would that entitle a shop keeper to shoot someone dead? |
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By *icentiousCouple
over a year ago
Up on them there hills |
"There is something in my mind, if you break the law, you are beyond the law.
How can you hide behind something you disrespect.
That in my world goes for a number of social values.
So if you drive 35 mph in a 30 mph zone, the police should be able to kill you?
You tell me?
I'm not the one who thinks if you break the law, you are beyond the law. You apparently do think that, so I am asking if it extends to even the most minor offences.
I’ve I miss laid the common sense app?
So you don't think that committing minor offences should put you beyond the law. Where do you draw the line then, shoplifting? Would that entitle a shop keeper to shoot someone dead? "
Yup, need to reload it. |
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