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"Simple question. Do you believe in this or not and what's your reason ing ??. Discuss  "
Oh yes I believe in the afterlife and I can describe it.
Remember what it was like before you were born?...
... that's what the afterlife is like. |
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By *aked_magicMan
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Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread  |
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread "
I like your reasoning |
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It seems to me that although I cannot stand religion at all , it seems a terrible waste to think that when I die all my thoughts and memories are just gone in an instant. Seems such a pointless waste ?? |
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By *aked_magicMan
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning "
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy  |
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"I believe in the afterlife, I don't really have a reason though. X
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That seems to me to be the stock answer you get from anyone who ''believes'' in all that paranormal/supernatural/religious stuff.
In other words,people believe in whatever they have decided to believe. |
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By *aked_magicMan
over a year ago
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy Why would they . It's logical thinking. I'm fairly sure we'll never prove it either way which is a shame  "
Well everybody proves it eventually dont they - trouble is their dead and cant tell anybody!
Death is the ultimate road trip 
(Id also say the sheer volume of Near Death Experiences constitutes enough proof for me)
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By *aked_magicMan
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy Why would they . It's logical thinking. I'm fairly sure we'll never prove it either way which is a shame
Well everybody proves it eventually dont they - trouble is their dead and cant tell anybody!
Death is the ultimate road trip
(Id also say the sheer volume of Near Death Experiences constitutes enough proof for me)
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aaargh THEY'RE dead |
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Way back in the old testament (I could look up chapter and verse if I could be bothered),there was no mention of heaven and hell. The righteous just got eternal life as in,more of the same and the un righteous just got death,as in inert,unknowing and unfeeling.
I'd say,'if that is true,which is the reward and which is the punishment?'.
It's not until gentle Jesus turns up that the idea of eternal damnation for the sins with which you were created in the first place,is introduced.
If anyone can't see that the entire notion is born of fear of death then,let them carry on believing whatever they wish to believe.It clearly gives some comfort. So far as I'm aware,no one has ever come back to tell us one way or the other. (unless you 'believe' in séances and spiritualism,,,which I don't BTW
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy Why would they . It's logical thinking. I'm fairly sure we'll never prove it either way which is a shame
Well everybody proves it eventually dont they - trouble is their dead and cant tell anybody!
Death is the ultimate road trip
(Id also say the sheer volume of Near Death Experiences constitutes enough proof for me)
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Well if it happens to you first let me know please  |
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"Way back in the old testament (I could look up chapter and verse if I could be bothered),there was no mention of heaven and hell. The righteous just got eternal life as in,more of the same and the un righteous just got death,as in inert,unknowing and unfeeling.
I'd say,'if that is true,which is the reward and which is the punishment?'.
It's not until gentle Jesus turns up that the idea of eternal damnation for the sins with which you were created in the first place,is introduced.
If anyone can't see that the entire notion is born of fear of death then,let them carry on believing whatever they wish to believe.It clearly gives some comfort. So far as I'm aware,no one has ever come back to tell us one way or the other. (unless you 'believe' in séances and spiritualism,,,which I don't BTW
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I don't either but could it possible that we exist on on a different level where we cannot contact the living at all. I dunno obviously but it's just a thought. And btw I'm not scared of dying I just don't want to |
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"It seems to me that although I cannot stand religion at all , it seems a terrible waste to think that when I die all my thoughts and memories are just gone in an instant. Seems such a pointless waste ??"
I agree with you , it really would be a pointless waste if there’s nothing after this life .
Millions , no billions of people who accomplish nothing of any significance in this life would have had a pointless life , and I can’t imagine that the great powers that be would accommodate that .
It also seems that if one looks at the fortune and misfortune of those around us , there must be a reason for that too . Reincarnation answers that for me ...... |
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. )"
After death the energy in the body just disappates as heat energy into the local environment. There's no special spirit or soul inside us, just chemical reactions.
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy Why would they . It's logical thinking. I'm fairly sure we'll never prove it either way which is a shame "
It's perfectly logical,and provable, that the energy contained in every particle that makes up each of us has always existed and will always exist. It is also logical and provable that those particles have not always existed in such close proximity that they take their current form,and that as the body decomposes,those particles will be dissipated,eventuall throughout the universe.
I'd say that there is no logic to suggest that those particles and that energy will continue to retain any kind of consciousness. In other words,what makes up 'you',will continue to exist but 'you' will not.
If any body has any evidence that that consciousness actually does continue,then I am all ears. Without that evidence,it is just a belief based on wishful thinking,I believe. |
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy Why would they . It's logical thinking. I'm fairly sure we'll never prove it either way which is a shame
It's perfectly logical,and provable, that the energy contained in every particle that makes up each of us has always existed and will always exist. It is also logical and provable that those particles have not always existed in such close proximity that they take their current form,and that as the body decomposes,those particles will be dissipated,eventuall throughout the universe.
I'd say that there is no logic to suggest that those particles and that energy will continue to retain any kind of consciousness. In other words,what makes up 'you',will continue to exist but 'you' will not.
If any body has any evidence that that consciousness actually does continue,then I am all ears. Without that evidence,it is just a belief based on wishful thinking,I believe."
Yes that's logical too and there's been sound argument on both sides . Such a shame we'll never know for sure whilst alive |
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"Nope, I believe when you’re dead, you’re dead. The End.
yeap,game over,gone,,wont be back,bye bye  "
Better to have played in the game though than not at all, whether or not you reached a high score. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy Why would they . It's logical thinking. I'm fairly sure we'll never prove it either way which is a shame
It's perfectly logical,and provable, that the energy contained in every particle that makes up each of us has always existed and will always exist. It is also logical and provable that those particles have not always existed in such close proximity that they take their current form,and that as the body decomposes,those particles will be dissipated,eventuall throughout the universe.
I'd say that there is no logic to suggest that those particles and that energy will continue to retain any kind of consciousness. In other words,what makes up 'you',will continue to exist but 'you' will not.
If any body has any evidence that that consciousness actually does continue,then I am all ears. Without that evidence,it is just a belief based on wishful thinking,I believe. Yes that's logical too and there's been sound argument on both sides . Such a shame we'll never know for sure whilst alive "
I think your definition of 'sound argument' is slightly different to mine.
The argument 'for' seems to consist of,''It must be true because it would be nice if it was true''.
I'd say, would it really be so nice? Spending eternity praising the dear leader. (sounds like North Korea or 1984 to me).
I'd rather opt for the eternity of oblivion, myself. |
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I hope there is some sort of something for the people that deserve it, I tragically and suddenly lost my partner last week and as devastating to me as it was I hope somewhere he is riding a Lambretta along a sun-warmed sea shore, listening to all of our favourite songs and just biding his time until I get to meet him again |
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy Why would they . It's logical thinking. I'm fairly sure we'll never prove it either way which is a shame
It's perfectly logical,and provable, that the energy contained in every particle that makes up each of us has always existed and will always exist. It is also logical and provable that those particles have not always existed in such close proximity that they take their current form,and that as the body decomposes,those particles will be dissipated,eventuall throughout the universe.
I'd say that there is no logic to suggest that those particles and that energy will continue to retain any kind of consciousness. In other words,what makes up 'you',will continue to exist but 'you' will not.
If any body has any evidence that that consciousness actually does continue,then I am all ears. Without that evidence,it is just a belief based on wishful thinking,I believe. Yes that's logical too and there's been sound argument on both sides . Such a shame we'll never know for sure whilst alive
I think your definition of 'sound argument' is slightly different to mine.
The argument 'for' seems to consist of,''It must be true because it would be nice if it was true''.
I'd say, would it really be so nice? Spending eternity praising the dear leader. (sounds like North Korea or 1984 to me).
I'd rather opt for the eternity of oblivion, myself. "
That's fair enough . I on the other hand would choose anything over eternal oblivion . But that's what make the world such a wonderful place . We are all different |
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy "
That's a similar approach to mine, I don't think anyone would consider it to be crazy! |
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"I hope there is some sort of something for the people that deserve it, I tragically and suddenly lost my partner last week and as devastating to me as it was I hope somewhere he is riding a Lambretta along a sun-warmed sea shore, listening to all of our favourite songs and just biding his time until I get to meet him again "
I'm very sorry for your loss and I hope that your hope helps to ease your pain.X |
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"I hope there is some sort of something for the people that deserve it, I tragically and suddenly lost my partner last week and as devastating to me as it was I hope somewhere he is riding a Lambretta along a sun-warmed sea shore, listening to all of our favourite songs and just biding his time until I get to meet him again "
So to hear that. hugs |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy Why would they . It's logical thinking. I'm fairly sure we'll never prove it either way which is a shame
It's perfectly logical,and provable, that the energy contained in every particle that makes up each of us has always existed and will always exist. It is also logical and provable that those particles have not always existed in such close proximity that they take their current form,and that as the body decomposes,those particles will be dissipated,eventuall throughout the universe.
I'd say that there is no logic to suggest that those particles and that energy will continue to retain any kind of consciousness. In other words,what makes up 'you',will continue to exist but 'you' will not.
If any body has any evidence that that consciousness actually does continue,then I am all ears. Without that evidence,it is just a belief based on wishful thinking,I believe. Yes that's logical too and there's been sound argument on both sides . Such a shame we'll never know for sure whilst alive
I think your definition of 'sound argument' is slightly different to mine.
The argument 'for' seems to consist of,''It must be true because it would be nice if it was true''.
I'd say, would it really be so nice? Spending eternity praising the dear leader. (sounds like North Korea or 1984 to me).
I'd rather opt for the eternity of oblivion, myself. That's fair enough . I on the other hand would choose anything over eternal oblivion . But that's what make the world such a wonderful place . We are all different "
Whatever any of us would wish for,does not constitute evidence that our wishes will be granted,sadly. That kind of faith may give a lot of people comfort,I hope it does,but it doesn't prove that it's true. |
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread "
This is a circular argument in my humble etc. It presumes that your energy/spirit/soul exists as an entity distinct from your physical body, for which there is no real evidence. |
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"I hope there is some sort of something for the people that deserve it, I tragically and suddenly lost my partner last week and as devastating to me as it was I hope somewhere he is riding a Lambretta along a sun-warmed sea shore, listening to all of our favourite songs and just biding his time until I get to meet him again
I'm very sorry for your loss and I hope that your hope helps to ease your pain.X"
Thank you x |
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy Why would they . It's logical thinking. I'm fairly sure we'll never prove it either way which is a shame
It's perfectly logical,and provable, that the energy contained in every particle that makes up each of us has always existed and will always exist. It is also logical and provable that those particles have not always existed in such close proximity that they take their current form,and that as the body decomposes,those particles will be dissipated,eventuall throughout the universe.
I'd say that there is no logic to suggest that those particles and that energy will continue to retain any kind of consciousness. In other words,what makes up 'you',will continue to exist but 'you' will not.
If any body has any evidence that that consciousness actually does continue,then I am all ears. Without that evidence,it is just a belief based on wishful thinking,I believe. Yes that's logical too and there's been sound argument on both sides . Such a shame we'll never know for sure whilst alive
I think your definition of 'sound argument' is slightly different to mine.
The argument 'for' seems to consist of,''It must be true because it would be nice if it was true''.
I'd say, would it really be so nice? Spending eternity praising the dear leader. (sounds like North Korea or 1984 to me).
I'd rather opt for the eternity of oblivion, myself. That's fair enough . I on the other hand would choose anything over eternal oblivion . But that's what make the world such a wonderful place . We are all different
Whatever any of us would wish for,does not constitute evidence that our wishes will be granted,sadly. That kind of faith may give a lot of people comfort,I hope it does,but it doesn't prove that it's true."
I know it doesn't prove anything I'm aware of that but I don't think it should be discounted any more than dead is dead . I've lost both my parents and both grandparents in the last 8 years so I guess my perspective maybe slightly biased I dunno  |
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"I hope there is some sort of something for the people that deserve it, I tragically and suddenly lost my partner last week and as devastating to me as it was I hope somewhere he is riding a Lambretta along a sun-warmed sea shore, listening to all of our favourite songs and just biding his time until I get to meet him again
So to hear that. hugs"
Thank you x |
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I'm a skeptic, empiricist, agnostic. Maybe souls and reincarnation are real but there is zero real evidence to support that, so on balance I put them with religion. I.e. can be comforting for some but almost certainly untrue. |
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"I hope there is some sort of something for the people that deserve it, I tragically and suddenly lost my partner last week and as devastating to me as it was I hope somewhere he is riding a Lambretta along a sun-warmed sea shore, listening to all of our favourite songs and just biding his time until I get to meet him again "
Very sorry to hear that x |
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I don't really understand why anyone would believe in an afterlife. There is absolutely no evidence for such a thing. It is pure wishful thinking, by people who cannot accept that they will no longer exist after death. |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism"
Nothing wrong with a bit of optimism is there ?
Blind faith can be harmful though , but not in this case . |
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"I hope there is some sort of something for the people that deserve it, I tragically and suddenly lost my partner last week and as devastating to me as it was I hope somewhere he is riding a Lambretta along a sun-warmed sea shore, listening to all of our favourite songs and just biding his time until I get to meet him again "
I truly hope there is something too . And I really do think there is . So sorry to hear this , stay strong and keep believing |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Nothing wrong with a bit of optimism is there ?
Blind faith can be harmful though , but not in this case ."
I agree, like other spiritual beliefs these things can give people a lot of comfort and a sense of meaning in life and I wouldn't wish to take that away from anybody.
I'm the opposite though myself, I find the thought that "this is it" to be way more comforting and meaningful than the thought of any afterlife. |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Nothing wrong with a bit of optimism is there ?
Blind faith can be harmful though , but not in this case ."
If you want to live your life hoping there is something better afterwards then good luck.
Personally I'd rather enjoy this life for what it is. The only shot we've got |
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"I hope there is some sort of something for the people that deserve it, I tragically and suddenly lost my partner last week and as devastating to me as it was I hope somewhere he is riding a Lambretta along a sun-warmed sea shore, listening to all of our favourite songs and just biding his time until I get to meet him again
I'm very sorry for your loss and I hope that your hope helps to ease your pain.X
Thank you x"
We know the same person and lovely he was a special soul no words can comprehend how awful I'm feeling..he was a truly special friend.. xx |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism"
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have. |
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"I hope there is some sort of something for the people that deserve it, I tragically and suddenly lost my partner last week and as devastating to me as it was I hope somewhere he is riding a Lambretta along a sun-warmed sea shore, listening to all of our favourite songs and just biding his time until I get to meet him again "
Damn Sandy that's shocking, so sorry for your loss. |
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"Simple question. Do you believe in this or not and what's your reason ing ??. Discuss "
100 percent not
Because there is zero evidence and there have been numerous tests done.
People's anecdotes of seeing a ghost do not count as evidence. |
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy Why would they . It's logical thinking. I'm fairly sure we'll never prove it either way which is a shame
It's perfectly logical,and provable, that the energy contained in every particle that makes up each of us has always existed and will always exist. It is also logical and provable that those particles have not always existed in such close proximity that they take their current form,and that as the body decomposes,those particles will be dissipated,eventuall throughout the universe.
I'd say that there is no logic to suggest that those particles and that energy will continue to retain any kind of consciousness. In other words,what makes up 'you',will continue to exist but 'you' will not.
If any body has any evidence that that consciousness actually does continue,then I am all ears. Without that evidence,it is just a belief based on wishful thinking,I believe. Yes that's logical too and there's been sound argument on both sides . Such a shame we'll never know for sure whilst alive
I think your definition of 'sound argument' is slightly different to mine.
The argument 'for' seems to consist of,''It must be true because it would be nice if it was true''.
I'd say, would it really be so nice? Spending eternity praising the dear leader. (sounds like North Korea or 1984 to me).
I'd rather opt for the eternity of oblivion, myself. That's fair enough . I on the other hand would choose anything over eternal oblivion . But that's what make the world such a wonderful place . We are all different
Whatever any of us would wish for,does not constitute evidence that our wishes will be granted,sadly. That kind of faith may give a lot of people comfort,I hope it does,but it doesn't prove that it's true. I know it doesn't prove anything I'm aware of that but I don't think it should be discounted any more than dead is dead . I've lost both my parents and both grandparents in the last 8 years so I guess my perspective maybe slightly biased I dunno "
But,isn't that more 'hoping that there is an afterlife' than 'believing there is'?
Which is what I've been saying. I've lost loved ones and,I'm sorry to say that the most we can definitely say is that their pain is over now. We can hope and wish that they are in a better place now but it doesn't alter the fact that we don't know.We do know something about what happens to us after we die but most of that is just less palatable so we try to console ourselves with wishful thinking. |
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Death and especially the death of loved ones can be unbearable, so people reach out for the hope that death isn't the end. That clearly provides comfort and solace for some people.
However, given that some people have believed in life after death throughout human history, you would have the thought that if it were true there would be proper scientific evidence for it by now.
As there isn't, I conclude it isn't true. |
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"I believe in the afterlife, I don't really have a reason though. X
That seems to me to be the stock answer you get from anyone who ''believes'' in all that paranormal/supernatural/religious stuff.
In other words,people believe in whatever they have decided to believe."
On the contrary, I simply could not deny the evidence I saw. |
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Who am I to crush someone's hopes when they are experiencing the most raw and horrible emotion of grief that they will get to see a loved one..some can dismiss whatever they want but for some the only glimmer of hope to get through the raw pain of grief is thinking that they may see each other again... |
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"I believe in the afterlife, I don't really have a reason though. X
That seems to me to be the stock answer you get from anyone who ''believes'' in all that paranormal/supernatural/religious stuff.
In other words,people believe in whatever they have decided to believe.
On the contrary, I simply could not deny the evidence I saw."
You may have seen something , that may have been in your mind. What it wasn't is anything supernatural.
It's like me saying I definitely saw an alien. I might think i did but to someone else it would have been something different. It was because I wanted to see one. |
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"Who am I to crush someone's hopes when they are experiencing the most raw and horrible emotion of grief that they will get to see a loved one..some can dismiss whatever they want but for some the only glimmer of hope to get through the raw pain of grief is thinking that they may see each other again..."
So those of us who think it's untrue should keep quiet because the opposite view provides comfort to some people? |
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"Who am I to crush someone's hopes when they are experiencing the most raw and horrible emotion of grief that they will get to see a loved one..some can dismiss whatever they want but for some the only glimmer of hope to get through the raw pain of grief is thinking that they may see each other again...
So those of us who think it's untrue should keep quiet because the opposite view provides comfort to some people? "
Not at all not telling anyone to keep quiet over their view on what they think or don't think it's called freedom of speech. I was merely saying that to some it's a comfort factor that they may see their loved ones again..some believe some don't believe.
I just go on what I have witnessed when loved ones has passed away and have seen those already passed over come to get them! My grandad before he passed away kept on saying he had seen his dead wife..I'm not in his brain and cannot prove or disprove but I can only go on what I witnessed when I was with him the weeks leading up to his passing. |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have. "
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing "
There's always the James Randi million dollar prize.
I don't know why these people who have evidence go for it. Think of it, you get a million dollars, you go down in world history as the person who finally proved the truth of the afterlife and confer a huge comfort on the bereaved.
Why would you not do it? |
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"Who am I to crush someone's hopes when they are experiencing the most raw and horrible emotion of grief that they will get to see a loved one..some can dismiss whatever they want but for some the only glimmer of hope to get through the raw pain of grief is thinking that they may see each other again..."
Of course,that would be an awful thing to do to someone in a very difficult time but,worse in my opinion,are the sort of charlatans who would prey on people in thir grief,offering them false hope and deceiving them into believing they can communicate with the departed.Especially those who make a living out of others grief. |
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread "
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"I do wonder where these 'energy can't be made or destroyed' ideas are coming from? Utter pseudo science
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It is a FACT that energy can not be created or destroyed, but it does change from one type to another.
Most of the energy involved in living is chemical energy derived from the food we eat and we convert it into heat and movement. When we die, there is still chemical potential in our tissue which is either eaten by bacteria or added to the fuel at the crematorium.
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"I believe in the afterlife, I don't really have a reason though. X
That seems to me to be the stock answer you get from anyone who ''believes'' in all that paranormal/supernatural/religious stuff.
In other words,people believe in whatever they have decided to believe.
On the contrary, I simply could not deny the evidence I saw.
You may have seen something , that may have been in your mind. What it wasn't is anything supernatural.
It's like me saying I definitely saw an alien. I might think i did but to someone else it would have been something different. It was because I wanted to see one."
Haha oh dear you really have no idea what I'm talking about - I'm not talking about 'seeing an alien' but years of experience with the spiritual. You might as well tell me swinging does not exist - the claim is simply laughable, though I am sure there are millions in this country who have no concept of the reality of it. |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing "
Oh totally, but it is not my brief to try and convince a skeptic on a sex site of anything, people will believe what they want to believe as many have said, and use the subjective selection of evidence to bolster their closed minded views. If you want evidence you need to seek it for yourself - quantum physics would be a good place for you to start in my opinion. |
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"We are a spirit and the spirit bit is not physical, so cannot die a physical death, so logically therefore something must go on after that. Simples.  "
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing
Oh totally, but it is not my brief to try and convince a skeptic on a sex site of anything, people will believe what they want to believe as many have said, and use the subjective selection of evidence to bolster their closed minded views. If you want evidence you need to seek it for yourself - quantum physics would be a good place for you to start in my opinion. "
Come on. You know as well as I do that there is no scientific evidence, in quantum physics or anywhere else, to suggest that when my organic processes shut down that my personal consciousness of me will continue to exist.
All the "evidence" for personal survival after death is based anecdotes.
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"Yep defintely an afterlife in my opinion - My reasoning is if "Energy Cannot be Made or Destroyed" then something must happen to our energy/spirit/soul after we die. Reincarnation goes hand in hand with this, Im faily certain ive already lived this life through once already , but thats probably a sunject for a differnt thread I like your reasoning
Thanks mate - i could have gone in to more detail but i dont people to think im crazy Why would they . It's logical thinking. I'm fairly sure we'll never prove it either way which is a shame
Well everybody proves it eventually dont they - trouble is their dead and cant tell anybody!
Death is the ultimate road trip
(Id also say the sheer volume of Near Death Experiences constitutes enough proof for me)
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I have been with someone who had died but was resuscitated and talked me about it days later .was very interesting chat . |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing
Oh totally, but it is not my brief to try and convince a skeptic on a sex site of anything, people will believe what they want to believe as many have said, and use the subjective selection of evidence to bolster their closed minded views. If you want evidence you need to seek it for yourself - quantum physics would be a good place for you to start in my opinion.
Come on. You know as well as I do that there is no scientific evidence, in quantum physics or anywhere else, to suggest that when my organic processes shut down that my personal consciousness of me will continue to exist.
All the "evidence" for personal survival after death is based anecdotes.
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That is simply your subjective opinion based on lack of evidence. As I say, it is my deduction based on logic and evidence that it will - because I know I am a spirit in a physical body, and the spiritual is not subject to the physical. And yes I do believe quantum physics is demonstrating the reality of this claim. |
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I’ve never believed in an afterlife, but the older I get and the more people I lose, I’m starting to realise that believing in an afterlife can be good for people. |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing
Oh totally, but it is not my brief to try and convince a skeptic on a sex site of anything, people will believe what they want to believe as many have said, and use the subjective selection of evidence to bolster their closed minded views. If you want evidence you need to seek it for yourself - quantum physics would be a good place for you to start in my opinion. "
Again I fail to see the need to get so dismissive and condescending. I have my beliefs but I've said I'm happy to be proved wrong. I'm not sure why, considering I've neither belittled or even challenged other views I'm being accused of being a sceptic?
I'm struggling with the fact that the only evidence you can offer is to take a superior stance and repeatedly belittle my view and suggest I find my own evidence to disprove my own beliefs It's not exactly a convincing argument is it? |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing
Oh totally, but it is not my brief to try and convince a skeptic on a sex site of anything, people will believe what they want to believe as many have said, and use the subjective selection of evidence to bolster their closed minded views. If you want evidence you need to seek it for yourself - quantum physics would be a good place for you to start in my opinion.
Come on. You know as well as I do that there is no scientific evidence, in quantum physics or anywhere else, to suggest that when my organic processes shut down that my personal consciousness of me will continue to exist.
All the "evidence" for personal survival after death is based anecdotes.
That is simply your subjective opinion based on lack of evidence. As I say, it is my deduction based on logic and evidence that it will - because I know I am a spirit in a physical body, and the spiritual is not subject to the physical. And yes I do believe quantum physics is demonstrating the reality of this claim. "
No, it's my opinion based on a consideration on the evidence. I might "know" I am a fire breathing dragon. It doesn't mean I am.
Could you point me to just one peer reviewed paper that contains evidence that consciousness can exist independent of organic processes. That should be easy if there is plenty of evidence. |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing
Oh totally, but it is not my brief to try and convince a skeptic on a sex site of anything, people will believe what they want to believe as many have said, and use the subjective selection of evidence to bolster their closed minded views. If you want evidence you need to seek it for yourself - quantum physics would be a good place for you to start in my opinion.
Again I fail to see the need to get so dismissive and condescending. I have my beliefs but I've said I'm happy to be proved wrong. I'm not sure why, considering I've neither belittled or even challenged other views I'm being accused of being a sceptic?
I'm struggling with the fact that the only evidence you can offer is to take a superior stance and repeatedly belittle my view and suggest I find my own evidence to disprove my own beliefs It's not exactly a convincing argument is it?"
You think calling any acceptance of consciousness beyond death 'blind faith and optimism' is less 'superior, dismissive and condescending'? I was merely mirroring your original stance and comment did you not realise?
I am not trying to provide a convincing argument, I know skepticism cannot be overcome by Internet arguments, but maybe, just maybe I could make you see your position is the less logical.
You need to think more deeply about the subject and ask 'why' a bit more in my view.
Here's an interesting article to demonstrate the kind of thing I mean about quantum theory - hopefully being a bbc link it will be allowed.
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170215-the-strange-link-between-the-human-mind-and-quantum-physics
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing
Oh totally, but it is not my brief to try and convince a skeptic on a sex site of anything, people will believe what they want to believe as many have said, and use the subjective selection of evidence to bolster their closed minded views. If you want evidence you need to seek it for yourself - quantum physics would be a good place for you to start in my opinion.
Come on. You know as well as I do that there is no scientific evidence, in quantum physics or anywhere else, to suggest that when my organic processes shut down that my personal consciousness of me will continue to exist.
All the "evidence" for personal survival after death is based anecdotes.
That is simply your subjective opinion based on lack of evidence. As I say, it is my deduction based on logic and evidence that it will - because I know I am a spirit in a physical body, and the spiritual is not subject to the physical. And yes I do believe quantum physics is demonstrating the reality of this claim.
No, it's my opinion based on a consideration on the evidence. I might "know" I am a fire breathing dragon. It doesn't mean I am.
Could you point me to just one peer reviewed paper that contains evidence that consciousness can exist independent of organic processes. That should be easy if there is plenty of evidence. "
I know my mother loved me, and there was no peer reviewed paper telling me that!
You need to think outside the box if you are ever to understand anything outside of it. Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought. |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing
Oh totally, but it is not my brief to try and convince a skeptic on a sex site of anything, people will believe what they want to believe as many have said, and use the subjective selection of evidence to bolster their closed minded views. If you want evidence you need to seek it for yourself - quantum physics would be a good place for you to start in my opinion.
Again I fail to see the need to get so dismissive and condescending. I have my beliefs but I've said I'm happy to be proved wrong. I'm not sure why, considering I've neither belittled or even challenged other views I'm being accused of being a sceptic?
I'm struggling with the fact that the only evidence you can offer is to take a superior stance and repeatedly belittle my view and suggest I find my own evidence to disprove my own beliefs It's not exactly a convincing argument is it?
You think calling any acceptance of consciousness beyond death 'blind faith and optimism' is less 'superior, dismissive and condescending'? I was merely mirroring your original stance and comment did you not realise?
I am not trying to provide a convincing argument, I know skepticism cannot be overcome by Internet arguments, but maybe, just maybe I could make you see your position is the less logical.
You need to think more deeply about the subject and ask 'why' a bit more in my view.
Here's an interesting article to demonstrate the kind of thing I mean about quantum theory - hopefully being a bbc link it will be allowed.
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170215-the-strange-link-between-the-human-mind-and-quantum-physics
Excuse me, I need to go connect with the spirit of a horse now! "
There's nothing in that article to suggests that personal consciousness survives physical death. Like I say there has never been any evidence that when John Smith s body dies a consciousness of himself as John Smith survives. |
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"I don't really understand why anyone would believe in an afterlife. There is absolutely no evidence for such a thing. It is pure wishful thinking, by people who cannot accept that they will no longer exist after death."
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing
Oh totally, but it is not my brief to try and convince a skeptic on a sex site of anything, people will believe what they want to believe as many have said, and use the subjective selection of evidence to bolster their closed minded views. If you want evidence you need to seek it for yourself - quantum physics would be a good place for you to start in my opinion.
Come on. You know as well as I do that there is no scientific evidence, in quantum physics or anywhere else, to suggest that when my organic processes shut down that my personal consciousness of me will continue to exist.
All the "evidence" for personal survival after death is based anecdotes.
That is simply your subjective opinion based on lack of evidence. As I say, it is my deduction based on logic and evidence that it will - because I know I am a spirit in a physical body, and the spiritual is not subject to the physical. And yes I do believe quantum physics is demonstrating the reality of this claim.
No, it's my opinion based on a consideration on the evidence. I might "know" I am a fire breathing dragon. It doesn't mean I am.
Could you point me to just one peer reviewed paper that contains evidence that consciousness can exist independent of organic processes. That should be easy if there is plenty of evidence.
I know my mother loved me, and there was no peer reviewed paper telling me that!
You need to think outside the box if you are ever to understand anything outside of it. Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought. "
Your mothers love was a subjective state in her mind. The only possible evidence of that derived from your mother.
People who claim there is life after death are making a claim about objective facts that exist independent of an individuals subjective thoughts. Hence you require objective evidence.
If I say I am sad, you will generally accept that based on my say so as only I can know if I am sad. . If I say I am a Nigerian prince with a billion pounds in the bank , I am making an objective claim and you are going to want objective evidence rather than me just saying that is the case. |
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I think there is just nothingness, like the same as before you were even born, you just switch off. But every now and then I hear of things that make me think, the amount of near death experiences which describe the same things, children born with information about dead relatives, I don't want to use the word "spiritual" but I feel there may be many different levels to existence that we humans can't pick up on. But in general I still feel that when I die there is nothing, unless I experience something for myself that causes me to change my mind |
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I think that this is such a subjective matter and people have their own beliefs but to knock someone for believing or knock some for not believing is not cool. I think we should be able to have our own opinion without belittling others for their view! I don’t know if there is an afterlife I’ve seen things that have made me question but is it enough to say for sure, no there isn’t! Of course I want to believe that the loved ones that have passed over I will see again but my brain is telling me that may never happen but my heart is saying I hope it does! |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought. "
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
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So basically those who say this is it , there is no more , and there is no afterlife , use science to back their thinking up . Fine and dandy .
Those who do believe have no scientific validation , but their belief is comforting and certainly harmless , and helps them make sense of so much ch that seems senseless without this belief .
This should also be absolutely fine and dandy , except the non believers seem to be resolute in trying to force their thinking into the rest of us . |
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"So basically those who say this is it , there is no more , and there is no afterlife , use science to back their thinking up . Fine and dandy .
Those who do believe have no scientific validation , but their belief is comforting and certainly harmless , and helps them make sense of so much ch that seems senseless without this belief .
This should also be absolutely fine and dandy , except the non believers seem to be resolute in trying to force their thinking into the rest of us . "
You can reverse that.
When someone tries to tell you they have seen a ghost 
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"So basically those who say this is it , there is no more , and there is no afterlife , use science to back their thinking up . Fine and dandy .
Those who do believe have no scientific validation , but their belief is comforting and certainly harmless , and helps them make sense of so much ch that seems senseless without this belief .
This should also be absolutely fine and dandy , except the non believers seem to be resolute in trying to force their thinking into the rest of us . "
How do you work that out? Someone started the debate and both sides have argued their points of view.
How on earth is that "forcing their thinking on the rest of us"? |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
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I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
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"So basically those who say this is it , there is no more , and there is no afterlife , use science to back their thinking up . "
Actually, they are only using a LACK of science to support their view! |
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"So basically those who say this is it , there is no more , and there is no afterlife , use science to back their thinking up . Fine and dandy .
Those who do believe have no scientific validation , but their belief is comforting and certainly harmless , and helps them make sense of so much ch that seems senseless without this belief .
This should also be absolutely fine and dandy , except the non believers seem to be resolute in trying to force their thinking into the rest of us . "
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I don't, I think it's actually quite rational of you to believe in the afterlife despite a lack of evidence.
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing
Oh totally, but it is not my brief to try and convince a skeptic on a sex site of anything, people will believe what they want to believe as many have said, and use the subjective selection of evidence to bolster their closed minded views. If you want evidence you need to seek it for yourself - quantum physics would be a good place for you to start in my opinion.
Come on. You know as well as I do that there is no scientific evidence, in quantum physics or anywhere else, to suggest that when my organic processes shut down that my personal consciousness of me will continue to exist.
All the "evidence" for personal survival after death is based anecdotes.
That is simply your subjective opinion based on lack of evidence. As I say, it is my deduction based on logic and evidence that it will - because I know I am a spirit in a physical body, and the spiritual is not subject to the physical. And yes I do believe quantum physics is demonstrating the reality of this claim.
No, it's my opinion based on a consideration on the evidence. I might "know" I am a fire breathing dragon. It doesn't mean I am.
Could you point me to just one peer reviewed paper that contains evidence that consciousness can exist independent of organic processes. That should be easy if there is plenty of evidence.
I know my mother loved me, and there was no peer reviewed paper telling me that!
You need to think outside the box if you are ever to understand anything outside of it. Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
Your mothers love was a subjective state in her mind. The only possible evidence of that derived from your mother.
People who claim there is life after death are making a claim about objective facts that exist independent of an individuals subjective thoughts. Hence you require objective evidence.
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I have it - it is you that does not! I'm simply suggesting you seek evidence of the spiritual, as I know it abounds. Existance beyond a physical death becomes axiomatic once you have understood that.
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"So basically those who say this is it , there is no more , and there is no afterlife , use science to back their thinking up .
Actually, they are only using a LACK of science to support their view! "
That's a good rule of thumb. If there is no scientific evidence for something, it's probably true.....
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"We are a spirit and the spirit bit is not physical, so cannot die a physical death, so logically therefore something must go on after that. Simples. "
that is just made up
simples
there is zero substantiated data to suggest an afterlife exists
there is zero substantiated data to suggest an existential spirit exists
there is sadly thousands of pieces of data that illustrate why none of the human made ideas for spirit or afterlife have any logic or reasoning and that "self" processing is purely a complex interaction me the bodies neural activity x |
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"There is no afterlife. There's nothing to suggest there is beyond blind faith and optimism
Haha, such blind arrogance and pessimism! What you mean is you have never SEEN any of the evidence that suggests there is anything else.
Well speak for yourself hun, others have.
I'm happy to be proved wrong if you want to share this 'evidence'? The dismissive tone of your response does suggest it must be fairly convincing
Oh totally, but it is not my brief to try and convince a skeptic on a sex site of anything, people will believe what they want to believe as many have said, and use the subjective selection of evidence to bolster their closed minded views. If you want evidence you need to seek it for yourself - quantum physics would be a good place for you to start in my opinion.
Come on. You know as well as I do that there is no scientific evidence, in quantum physics or anywhere else, to suggest that when my organic processes shut down that my personal consciousness of me will continue to exist.
All the "evidence" for personal survival after death is based anecdotes.
That is simply your subjective opinion based on lack of evidence. As I say, it is my deduction based on logic and evidence that it will - because I know I am a spirit in a physical body, and the spiritual is not subject to the physical. And yes I do believe quantum physics is demonstrating the reality of this claim.
No, it's my opinion based on a consideration on the evidence. I might "know" I am a fire breathing dragon. It doesn't mean I am.
Could you point me to just one peer reviewed paper that contains evidence that consciousness can exist independent of organic processes. That should be easy if there is plenty of evidence.
I know my mother loved me, and there was no peer reviewed paper telling me that!
You need to think outside the box if you are ever to understand anything outside of it. Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
Your mothers love was a subjective state in her mind. The only possible evidence of that derived from your mother.
People who claim there is life after death are making a claim about objective facts that exist independent of an individuals subjective thoughts. Hence you require objective evidence.
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I have it - it is you that does not! I'm simply suggesting you seek evidence of the spiritual, as I know it abounds. Existance beyond a physical death becomes axiomatic once you have understood that.
As for a mothers love I disagree it is solely an abstract state of mind, it can demonstrated beyond doubt by her actions."
If you have something and I have no access to it, then by definition the evidence is subjective and not objective.
If I tell you I have a rose bush in my garden, there are many ways you can test whether or not that statement is true that are completely independent of my feelings or beliefs.
What you are saying to me about life after death is that you feel it is true. What I am asking for is evidence that there is life after death independent of your feelings or beliefs. |
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"We are a spirit and the spirit bit is not physical, so cannot die a physical death, so logically therefore something must go on after that. Simples.
that is just made up
simples
there is zero substantiated data to suggest an afterlife exists
there is zero substantiated data to suggest an existential spirit exists
there is sadly thousands of pieces of data that illustrate why none of the human made ideas for spirit or afterlife have any logic or reasoning and that "self" processing is purely a complex interaction me the bodies neural activity x"
Someone else mentioned this, but I have no consciousness of my "spirit" or soul existing in the millions of years that passed prior to my physical existence beginning in 1966. It thus seems strange to think that my consciousness will continue to exist in the millions of years that will pass when my physical existence ends. |
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"So basically those who say this is it , there is no more , and there is no afterlife , use science to back their thinking up .
Actually, they are only using a LACK of science to support their view!
That's a good rule of thumb. If there is no scientific evidence for something, it's probably true.....
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What many people seem to be suggesting on here is that just because something cannot be witnessed/experienced then it cannot be true. I prefer to keep a more open mind. Science is probably not the best tool in these circumstances. |
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"Naw.
Religion, supernatural, hocus pocus offers the hope of something beyond but until any of it has been proved, we live, we die."
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If you have something and I have no access to it, then by definition the evidence is subjective and not objective.
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You do have access - you just can't be bothered to go find it!!! Do you understand the function of equine endocrine system? Does the fact that I have spent years researching it and you have not mean my understanding of it is subjective? Does it fuck lol, get real, use some logic in your argument!
"What you are saying to me about life after death is that you feel it is true."
No, I'm not saying that - did you read what I wrote? I said I know I am a spirit. I know the spirit is not subject to physical death. Therefore, logically, there must be spiritual life beyond physical death. That has nothing to do with how I feel!
So, I say that article is as good a place to start as anywhere else. Take this paragraph:
"Simply by observing a particle's path – even if that observation should not disturb the particle's motion – we change the outcome.
The physicist Pascual Jordan, who worked with quantum guru Niels Bohr in Copenhagen in the 1920s, put it like this: "observations not only disturb what has to be measured, they produce it… We compel [a quantum particle] to assume a definite position." In other words, Jordan said, "we ourselves produce the results of measurements."
Ok, so how?
When you have answered that question, you will have found your first piece of evidence.
Or how about - how can someone entirely change a horse's established patterns of behaviour in an instant without even touching it? Different question, different 5 years of research, same answer.
IMO if you want profound answers you need to ask some more profound questions. |
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"What many people seem to be suggesting on here is that just because something cannot be witnessed/experienced then it cannot be true. I prefer to keep a more open mind. Science is probably not the best tool in these circumstances."
I think it will get there in the end, I have faith in the quantum physicists! |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples! "
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
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"What many people seem to be suggesting on here is that just because something cannot be witnessed/experienced then it cannot be true. I prefer to keep a more open mind. Science is probably not the best tool in these circumstances.
I think it will get there in the end, I have faith in the quantum physicists! "
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
"
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence."
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" I said I know I am a spirit
Ah, I was doing you the favour of assuming you are approaching this at least vaguely logically.
Never mind.
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Totally logical here, I'm just very familiar with the evidence you cannot be bothered to seek, I utilise it every day!
You should checkout some martial arts maybe?? They're macho and masculine and I am told they are a spiritual disciplines at the upper levels, maybe they can show you something. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed? "
That depends on your definition of consciousness. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness. "
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition "
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit."
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction? |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction? "
In short, yes. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes."
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born? "
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction? "
I am not sure about the phrase 'incapable of destruction'. The body obviously is destroyed, the spirit is not, I don't understand how much of mind, will and emotion can remain by what means and yet I cannot imagine personality without it, so I suspect it must. Maybe they are functions of the spirit anyway. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course."
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No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course."
But I have no consciousness of existing before I was born, so how can my "living awareness" be said to have existed then? |
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Personally I see the brain as nothing more than an organ, it works and does fantastic things but once we die there nothing powering it. It’s gone along with all of its functions.
So once we die I don’t believe there is an afterlife, once you’re dead I don’t think it’ll be much different than falling asleep. You’re not aware you’re asleep and obviously you can’t be aware that you’re dead. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
I'm not so sure about that. My feeling is that even though the spirit is outside time, something that only goes forward is created at conception. "
That's merely a matter of opinion and belief, i'm not going to state who's right and who's wrong, how can i? I do try to keep an open mind about such matters.
I don't understand why some people feel they have to have answers for everything, i believe there are many things in this world we are just not meant to know. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
I'm not so sure about that. My feeling is that even though the spirit is outside time, something that only goes forward is created at conception.
That's merely a matter of opinion and belief, i'm not going to state who's right and who's wrong, how can i? I do try to keep an open mind about such matters.
I don't understand why some people feel they have to have answers for everything, i believe there are many things in this world we are just not meant to know."
Sorry, but if a "living awareness" was immortal then we would all be conscious of having existed since the beginning of time. As we don't have that awareness, that shows its not immortal.
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No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course."
Mind you, thinking about it I can't get my head round this passage from that article I quoted:
"Wheeler even entertained the thought that the presence of living beings, which are capable of "noticing", has transformed what was previously a multitude of possible quantum pasts into one concrete history. In this sense, Wheeler said, we become participants in the evolution of the Universe since its very beginning. In his words, we live in a "participatory universe."
Wtf?? Haha! But it's never bothered me enough to 'need to know' on that one, so I have never studied it. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
But I have no consciousness of existing before I was born, so how can my "living awareness" be said to have existed then? "
I think the term 'living awareness' is a misnomer and a bit of a red herring. I prefer the words spirit/soul/spark, choose whichever you will.
I don't hold with the notion that just because you have no awareness of something it can't exist or be true, this is a matter of personal belief. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
I'm not so sure about that. My feeling is that even though the spirit is outside time, something that only goes forward is created at conception.
That's merely a matter of opinion and belief, i'm not going to state who's right and who's wrong, how can i? I do try to keep an open mind about such matters.
I don't understand why some people feel they have to have answers for everything, i believe there are many things in this world we are just not meant to know.
Sorry, but if a "living awareness" was immortal then we would all be conscious of having existed since the beginning of time. As we don't have that awareness, that shows its not immortal.
It's not a "matter of opinion" it's basic logic. "
Nonsense, I had living awareness in the womb but have no conscious memory of that, your logic is flawed. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
But I have no consciousness of existing before I was born, so how can my "living awareness" be said to have existed then?
I think the term 'living awareness' is a misnomer and a bit of a red herring. I prefer the words spirit/soul/spark, choose whichever you will.
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Yes, that was just my one minute attempt at finding a common parlance lol, it really merits a little longer! |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
But I have no consciousness of existing before I was born, so how can my "living awareness" be said to have existed then?
I think the term 'living awareness' is a misnomer and a bit of a red herring. I prefer the words spirit/soul/spark, choose whichever you will.
I don't hold with the notion that just because you have no awareness of something it can't exist or be true, this is a matter of personal belief."
How can something be my spirit if I am not aware it has any connection with me? Doesn't that mean I can just pluck any arbitrary figure, Jesus, napoleon. Hitler or whoever and say they embodied my spirit?
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
I'm not so sure about that. My feeling is that even though the spirit is outside time, something that only goes forward is created at conception.
That's merely a matter of opinion and belief, i'm not going to state who's right and who's wrong, how can i? I do try to keep an open mind about such matters.
I don't understand why some people feel they have to have answers for everything, i believe there are many things in this world we are just not meant to know.
Sorry, but if a "living awareness" was immortal then we would all be conscious of having existed since the beginning of time. As we don't have that awareness, that shows its not immortal.
It's not a "matter of opinion" it's basic logic.
Nonsense, I had living awareness in the womb but have no conscious memory of that, your logic is flawed."
Ok, so we can have a past living awareness of which we are not currently aware.
As we are not aware of that past living awareness how could we know we had it (we know we were babies and fetuses by the way because of evidence from parents, hospital records and so on). |
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Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
I'm not so sure about that. My feeling is that even though the spirit is outside time, something that only goes forward is created at conception.
That's merely a matter of opinion and belief, i'm not going to state who's right and who's wrong, how can i? I do try to keep an open mind about such matters.
"
Me too - doesn't bother me either way anyway lol! I just wish I could live my life again knowing everything I've learned from the start! |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
I'm not so sure about that. My feeling is that even though the spirit is outside time, something that only goes forward is created at conception.
That's merely a matter of opinion and belief, i'm not going to state who's right and who's wrong, how can i? I do try to keep an open mind about such matters.
I don't understand why some people feel they have to have answers for everything, i believe there are many things in this world we are just not meant to know.
Sorry, but if a "living awareness" was immortal then we would all be conscious of having existed since the beginning of time. As we don't have that awareness, that shows its not immortal.
It's not a "matter of opinion" it's basic logic.
Nonsense, I had living awareness in the womb but have no conscious memory of that, your logic is flawed.
Ok, so we can have a past living awareness of which we are not currently aware. "
I didn't say we did, consciousness pre-conception not something I have studied. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
I'm not so sure about that. My feeling is that even though the spirit is outside time, something that only goes forward is created at conception.
That's merely a matter of opinion and belief, i'm not going to state who's right and who's wrong, how can i? I do try to keep an open mind about such matters.
I don't understand why some people feel they have to have answers for everything, i believe there are many things in this world we are just not meant to know.
Sorry, but if a "living awareness" was immortal then we would all be conscious of having existed since the beginning of time. As we don't have that awareness, that shows its not immortal.
It's not a "matter of opinion" it's basic logic.
Nonsense, I had living awareness in the womb but have no conscious memory of that, your logic is flawed.
Ok, so we can have a past living awareness of which we are not currently aware.
As we are not aware of that past living awareness how could we know we had it (we know we were babies and fetuses by the way because of evidence from parents, hospital records and so on). "
Again, in short, yes. Though i think you're stumbling over the word 'awareness' as it implies awareness. Best use one of the words i've previously mentioned. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
I'm not so sure about that. My feeling is that even though the spirit is outside time, something that only goes forward is created at conception.
That's merely a matter of opinion and belief, i'm not going to state who's right and who's wrong, how can i? I do try to keep an open mind about such matters.
I don't understand why some people feel they have to have answers for everything, i believe there are many things in this world we are just not meant to know."
Exactly , we are just not meant to know .
At least not yet anyway ....
Krishnamurti , a theologian , said when you are ready to know you will . In the meantime accept you don’t know everything , and never will .
Wise words , and well worth considering . |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
I'm not so sure about that. My feeling is that even though the spirit is outside time, something that only goes forward is created at conception.
That's merely a matter of opinion and belief, i'm not going to state who's right and who's wrong, how can i? I do try to keep an open mind about such matters.
I don't understand why some people feel they have to have answers for everything, i believe there are many things in this world we are just not meant to know.
Exactly , we are just not meant to know .
At least not yet anyway ....
Krishnamurti , a theologian , said when you are ready to know you will . In the meantime accept you don’t know everything , and never will .
Wise words , and well worth considering ."
Quite so. Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to understanding the question. |
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"Checkout the bbc article I linked to - there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought.
No, there really isn't.
"There's a lot we don't understand about consciousness and it might all be quite strange" is a long way from "there is evidence of an afterlife".
I repeat - "there's enough in that to start anyone off on a trail if they are genuinely interested in researching current thought".
If you're not - don't! Simples!
It's a starting point for looking into the study of human consciousness.
That is not the same as studying the afterlife. Because there is no evidence to support the idea of an afterlife.
There's just an area of uncertainty, which you want use to draw a particular conclusion. That's not how science works.
Science is not fully able to help you on this subject yet though - it does not understand what consciousness is, how can it possibly tell you what happens to it after death!!?
However, as someone who HAS studied the spiritual from several other angles, I suggest quantum physics is the most likely place you may begin to find the evidence required. Understand consciousness and quantum theory and you will begin understand the spiritual I reckon, and then know some compelling evidence for life beyond our physical existence.
Is it your view that your consciousness is immortal and can't be destroyed?
That depends on your definition of consciousness.
What's your definition
Of the top of my head I would define human consciousness as something like a living awareness arising from a combination of body, soul (mind, will, emotion) and spirit.
Ok, so is that living awareness immortal and incapable of destruction?
In short, yes.
So it must have existed before we were born?
Of course.
I'm not so sure about that. My feeling is that even though the spirit is outside time, something that only goes forward is created at conception.
That's merely a matter of opinion and belief, i'm not going to state who's right and who's wrong, how can i? I do try to keep an open mind about such matters.
I don't understand why some people feel they have to have answers for everything, i believe there are many things in this world we are just not meant to know.
Exactly , we are just not meant to know .
At least not yet anyway ....
Krishnamurti , a theologian , said when you are ready to know you will . In the meantime accept you don’t know everything , and never will .
Wise words , and well worth considering .
Quite so. Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to understanding the question."
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