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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I heard on sky news how it is and since 2015 it have gotten worse, where kids have to steal food at lunch time, the torys have failed them, they even said food banks are good, how do you think the situation can get better? Brexit wont help. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Nothing to do with Brexit it is totally down to cuts in services that the present government seem to love dishing out to widen the devide."
That is right, they do it for tgir own political gain.
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There was an item on the news the other day where a school had started a crowdfunding page in order to just get the basic stuff for the kids..
When i was a govenor it was all about fundraising for equipment that the school's budget just wouldnt stretch to.. |
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"There was an item on the news the other day where a school had started a crowdfunding page in order to just get the basic stuff for the kids..
When i was a govenor it was all about fundraising for equipment that the school's budget just wouldnt stretch to.."
Isn't that exactly what crowd funding is? |
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"There was an item on the news the other day where a school had started a crowdfunding page in order to just get the basic stuff for the kids..
When i was a govenor it was all about fundraising for equipment that the school's budget just wouldnt stretch to..
Isn't that exactly what crowd funding is?"
Yes but its not generally used to buy equipment for schools that was originally bought via the schools budget  |
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"There was an item on the news the other day where a school had started a crowdfunding page in order to just get the basic stuff for the kids..
When i was a govenor it was all about fundraising for equipment that the school's budget just wouldnt stretch to..
Isn't that exactly what crowd funding is?
Yes but its not generally used to buy equipment for schools that was originally bought via the schools budget "
Ah, sorry, I'm with you now. |
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Sick of the so called elite in our country, there is money, God know! They take enough off us every week and pend nothing, so where is it all going?.when Cameron said the out going labore government told them there is no money left in the coffers, he went to town on them, but I think if there was no money left if that's true?, then that government did the right thing, there shouldn't be any money, it should have been spent on the country as soon as it comes in, what's the point of leaving it in a bank? |
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This isn't a new thing, however it's worsening.
About twenty years ago a friend of mine who worked in a primary school used to take bread, butter and jam in every day to feed the kids who'd had no breakfast.
Is this wholly a failure of the state? |
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I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful. |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful. "
I meant aren't financially secure |
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"At the risk of getting shot down. I'm willing to admit being puzzled.
What has this to do with schools ?
Isn't it a parent's job to feed their children ?
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Giant canoworms right there.
What is a schools job, the states job, the community, your relatives, your next door neighbour.
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful. "
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"At the risk of getting shot down. I'm willing to admit being puzzled.
What has this to do with schools ?
Isn't it a parent's job to feed their children ?
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If they can afford it or can be bothered yes |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?"
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily   |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily "
Your survey isn't from a section of the population that reflects society as a whole. It will have a greater proportion of people on benefits in it.
I agree that people who are able to work shouldn't be allowed to settle for a life on benefits but then we get in to the realms of zero hours contracts, minimum wage etc. I think suggesting modifying the population is a bit steep though. |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily
Your survey isn't from a section of the population that reflects society as a whole. It will have a greater proportion of people on benefits in it.
I agree that people who are able to work shouldn't be allowed to settle for a life on benefits but then we get in to the realms of zero hours contracts, minimum wage etc. I think suggesting modifying the population is a bit steep though."
Population modifications was a but tongue in cheek lol. I think people who are able to work should be made to carry out community service. When you add up the housing benefit and all other benefits, council tax reduction, free prescriptions etc I'm sure they'd be getting the equivalent of a good wage. Remember whatever all that adds up to is worth more than it actually is, as those working would have to pay tax on money they receive. |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?"
All of them, if you listen to some of the people on here. |
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"At the risk of getting shot down. I'm willing to admit being puzzled.
What has this to do with schools ?
Isn't it a parent's job to feed their children ?
Giant canoworms right there.
What is a schools job, the states job, the community, your relatives, your next door neighbour.
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What is a parent's job ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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With these sort of headlines I always ask questions like are the parents smokers or drinkers if that is the case is it poverty or bad management of fiancé’s. If however it’s not the children should be given free breakfasts and dinners at school |
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"At the risk of getting shot down. I'm willing to admit being puzzled.
What has this to do with schools ?
Isn't it a parent's job to feed their children ?
Giant canoworms right there.
What is a schools job, the states job, the community, your relatives, your next door neighbour.
What is a parent's job ?"
Don't kill your kids. |
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"With these sort of headlines I always ask questions like are the parents smokers or drinkers if that is the case is it poverty or bad management of fiancé’s. If however it’s not the children should be given free breakfasts and dinners at school "
That's right. Starve a child because their parents are irresponsible. |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily "
I've had this discussion so many times. It's a belter. It's history come round again |
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"I heard on sky news how it is and since 2015 it have gotten worse, where kids have to steal food at lunch time, the torys have failed them, they even said food banks are good, how do you think the situation can get better? Brexit wont help."
Parents have failed them if they are having to steal food at lunch time.
I worked 3 jobs when my kids were young to feed, cloth and make sure mine didn't go without and I remember the odd days when I made sandwiches for them and I went without.
I'm not a politician lover but people need to take responsibility for their own children |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily
Your survey isn't from a section of the population that reflects society as a whole. It will have a greater proportion of people on benefits in it.
I agree that people who are able to work shouldn't be allowed to settle for a life on benefits but then we get in to the realms of zero hours contracts, minimum wage etc. I think suggesting modifying the population is a bit steep though.
Population modifications was a but tongue in cheek lol. I think people who are able to work should be made to carry out community service. When you add up the housing benefit and all other benefits, council tax reduction, free prescriptions etc I'm sure they'd be getting the equivalent of a good wage. Remember whatever all that adds up to is worth more than it actually is, as those working would have to pay tax on money they receive. "
Yes. We were on benefits for a while when the children were small, I understand how it works.
I can't agree that its the equivalent of a good wage though, unless things have changed radically.
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over a year ago
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"I heard on sky news how it is and since 2015 it have gotten worse, where kids have to steal food at lunch time, the torys have failed them, they even said food banks are good, how do you think the situation can get better? Brexit wont help."
Brexit wont hit for another 2 -4yrs. What we are seeing now are the closure of some major high street chains for multiple reasons - non payment of tax, business rates rise, wage increases, pension deficits, outdated business models? None that I can think of have been attributed to Brexit.
Any investment into the National infrastructure takes years to undertake and then to see a return on, so whilst programmes may be underway, they are not likely to be boosting the economy in the immediate future but more medium and longer term.
Investment in Schools has like everything else been cut to the bones, so I think as much as all shouldn't receive a free school meal, those closer to the breadline should. There should be no reason to crowd funding schools - I honestly think in some cases, some schools are run well and others simply aren't. Whilst there is a distinct need for money to educate children, it needs to be invested in children - not just handed out if the schools management are not able to manage finances. |
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"With these sort of headlines I always ask questions like are the parents smokers or drinkers if that is the case is it poverty or bad management of fiancé’s. If however it’s not the children should be given free breakfasts and dinners at school
That's right. Starve a child because their parents are irresponsible. "
Well said, these people are mostly torys, and have since thatcher, been putting these selfish and disgusting thoughts in people's heads, we have turned into a very selfish nation. If we are fighting each other we leave them alone to carry on getting what the establishment and elite want. It's simple games by them really, and don't even go there about taxes, there answer to every problem is to tax it, ok where does all that tax money go? Add up how much you pay, and then think about it. |
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"With these sort of headlines I always ask questions like are the parents smokers or drinkers if that is the case is it poverty or bad management of fiancé’s. If however it’s not the children should be given free breakfasts and dinners at school
That's right. Starve a child because their parents are irresponsible.
Well said, these people are mostly torys, and have since thatcher, been putting these selfish and disgusting thoughts in people's heads, we have turned into a very selfish nation. If we are fighting each other we leave them alone to carry on getting what the establishment and elite want. It's simple games by them really, and don't even go there about taxes, there answer to every problem is to tax it, ok where does all that tax money go? Add up how much you pay, and then think about it."
Are thoughts taxed ? |
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"With these sort of headlines I always ask questions like are the parents smokers or drinkers if that is the case is it poverty or bad management of fiancé’s. If however it’s not the children should be given free breakfasts and dinners at school
That's right. Starve a child because their parents are irresponsible.
Well said, these people are mostly torys, and have since thatcher, been putting these selfish and disgusting thoughts in people's heads, we have turned into a very selfish nation. If we are fighting each other we leave them alone to carry on getting what the establishment and elite want. It's simple games by them really, and don't even go there about taxes, there answer to every problem is to tax it, ok where does all that tax money go? Add up how much you pay, and then think about it.
Are thoughts taxed ?"
I said, don't get me on tax. |
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"With these sort of headlines I always ask questions like are the parents smokers or drinkers if that is the case is it poverty or bad management of fiancé’s. If however it’s not the children should be given free breakfasts and dinners at school
That's right. Starve a child because their parents are irresponsible.
Well said, these people are mostly torys, and have since thatcher, been putting these selfish and disgusting thoughts in people's heads, we have turned into a very selfish nation. If we are fighting each other we leave them alone to carry on getting what the establishment and elite want. It's simple games by them really, and don't even go there about taxes, there answer to every problem is to tax it, ok where does all that tax money go? Add up how much you pay, and then think about it.
Are thoughts taxed ?
I said, don't get me on tax."
I don't have to  You'll do that. |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily
Your survey isn't from a section of the population that reflects society as a whole. It will have a greater proportion of people on benefits in it.
I agree that people who are able to work shouldn't be allowed to settle for a life on benefits but then we get in to the realms of zero hours contracts, minimum wage etc. I think suggesting modifying the population is a bit steep though.
Population modifications was a but tongue in cheek lol. I think people who are able to work should be made to carry out community service. When you add up the housing benefit and all other benefits, council tax reduction, free prescriptions etc I'm sure they'd be getting the equivalent of a good wage. Remember whatever all that adds up to is worth more than it actually is, as those working would have to pay tax on money they receive.
Yes. We were on benefits for a while when the children were small, I understand how it works.
I can't agree that its the equivalent of a good wage though, unless things have changed radically.
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My best friend is on benefits, so is his wife. They have 2 kids. They don't pay rent which is worth £700 a month to them, they don't pay their council tax which would be worth what, £130 a month? Before you even add the income support or child tax credits or jsa whatever it might be, that's over £800 a month for not leaving the house. It's a lot of money to give people when they've not worked for about 3 years in my friends case, and his wife has not worked as long as they've been together which is since 2011. |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily
Your survey isn't from a section of the population that reflects society as a whole. It will have a greater proportion of people on benefits in it.
I agree that people who are able to work shouldn't be allowed to settle for a life on benefits but then we get in to the realms of zero hours contracts, minimum wage etc. I think suggesting modifying the population is a bit steep though.
Population modifications was a but tongue in cheek lol. I think people who are able to work should be made to carry out community service. When you add up the housing benefit and all other benefits, council tax reduction, free prescriptions etc I'm sure they'd be getting the equivalent of a good wage. Remember whatever all that adds up to is worth more than it actually is, as those working would have to pay tax on money they receive.
Yes. We were on benefits for a while when the children were small, I understand how it works.
I can't agree that its the equivalent of a good wage though, unless things have changed radically.
My best friend is on benefits, so is his wife. They have 2 kids. They don't pay rent which is worth £700 a month to them, they don't pay their council tax which would be worth what, £130 a month? Before you even add the income support or child tax credits or jsa whatever it might be, that's over £800 a month for not leaving the house. It's a lot of money to give people when they've not worked for about 3 years in my friends case, and his wife has not worked as long as they've been together which is since 2011."
Rent and council tax doesn't go into their hands. Only take into consideration what they get and take away their amenity bills. There won't be much left, no matter what you think. |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily
Your survey isn't from a section of the population that reflects society as a whole. It will have a greater proportion of people on benefits in it.
I agree that people who are able to work shouldn't be allowed to settle for a life on benefits but then we get in to the realms of zero hours contracts, minimum wage etc. I think suggesting modifying the population is a bit steep though.
Population modifications was a but tongue in cheek lol. I think people who are able to work should be made to carry out community service. When you add up the housing benefit and all other benefits, council tax reduction, free prescriptions etc I'm sure they'd be getting the equivalent of a good wage. Remember whatever all that adds up to is worth more than it actually is, as those working would have to pay tax on money they receive.
Yes. We were on benefits for a while when the children were small, I understand how it works.
I can't agree that its the equivalent of a good wage though, unless things have changed radically.
My best friend is on benefits, so is his wife. They have 2 kids. They don't pay rent which is worth £700 a month to them, they don't pay their council tax which would be worth what, £130 a month? Before you even add the income support or child tax credits or jsa whatever it might be, that's over £800 a month for not leaving the house. It's a lot of money to give people when they've not worked for about 3 years in my friends case, and his wife has not worked as long as they've been together which is since 2011.
Rent and council tax doesn't go into their hands. Only take into consideration what they get and take away their amenity bills. There won't be much left, no matter what you think. "
Of course it doesn't go in to their hands. The money I pay on rent or council tax doesn't go into my hands either.. It goes in to my bank then to the landlord, same as the council tax. Except I have to work for that money.
Whether they end up with the cash or not, it's money they are given to pay their rent. So it is absolutely the same thing. If a father gives his son £2000 a month to live on, would the money he spent in rent not count? Do people not have to pay tax on money they earn to pay rent? |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily
Your survey isn't from a section of the population that reflects society as a whole. It will have a greater proportion of people on benefits in it.
I agree that people who are able to work shouldn't be allowed to settle for a life on benefits but then we get in to the realms of zero hours contracts, minimum wage etc. I think suggesting modifying the population is a bit steep though.
Population modifications was a but tongue in cheek lol. I think people who are able to work should be made to carry out community service. When you add up the housing benefit and all other benefits, council tax reduction, free prescriptions etc I'm sure they'd be getting the equivalent of a good wage. Remember whatever all that adds up to is worth more than it actually is, as those working would have to pay tax on money they receive.
Yes. We were on benefits for a while when the children were small, I understand how it works.
I can't agree that its the equivalent of a good wage though, unless things have changed radically.
My best friend is on benefits, so is his wife. They have 2 kids. They don't pay rent which is worth £700 a month to them, they don't pay their council tax which would be worth what, £130 a month? Before you even add the income support or child tax credits or jsa whatever it might be, that's over £800 a month for not leaving the house. It's a lot of money to give people when they've not worked for about 3 years in my friends case, and his wife has not worked as long as they've been together which is since 2011.
Rent and council tax doesn't go into their hands. Only take into consideration what they get and take away their amenity bills. There won't be much left, no matter what you think. "
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Can we blame or expect the state to cover everything? Where is our own responsibility?
I have friends who are teachers who buy warm clothes and waterproof footwear for their pupils as many turn up inappropriately dressed for the weather.
Breakfast clubs are now in most schools as parents not providing breakfast at home.
Instead of charging parents with the responsibility of feeding and clothing their own children we enable them to expect the government (i.e. working public) to take care of it!
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"Can we blame or expect the state to cover everything? Where is our own responsibility?
I have friends who are teachers who buy warm clothes and waterproof footwear for their pupils as many turn up inappropriately dressed for the weather.
Breakfast clubs are now in most schools as parents not providing breakfast at home.
Instead of charging parents with the responsibility of feeding and clothing their own children we enable them to expect the government (i.e. working public) to take care of it!
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Breakfast clubs are now free? My grandchildren's, nephews and nieces school cost from £1.20 a day and were used by parents who worked. |
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countrys run by clowns who dont live in the real world or experience these things .
its not just this there's issues across the board about many many things
housing for example ,lets build 30,000 new homes so 30,000 rich people can buy them and rent them out ??
lets pay a tarmac company 30 million quid to tarmac a road , then a week later dig it up to do roadworks , or even better , lets get a company to tarmac it who dont give a guarantee and do shoddy work .ie tarmac it , 30 million quid , it snows , tarmac lifts as no adhesive underneath.
have huge pot holes ruining our cars , then pay the same company another 30 million to re tarmac it 6 months later .. wasting tax payers money ..do the job properly in the first place ..
what else .........oh yeah ,saw this on tv last week , housed a family on the council housing list in a privately owned gaff , deal is the council only pay the rent for 3 months the tenant has to pay , tenant dosent pay , landlord gets knocked for rent , expense of courts and bailiffs , back to square one .
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police (especially high speed driving ones )
fireman
nurses doctors
etc etc etc doing 12 hour shifts minimum
they are humans not robots , plus add 2 hours on to get up shower and commute to work , your out the house 15/16 hours a day
train driver only allowed to do 8 hours though ??
who makes these decisions lol
so i can drive my police car at 100mph when im exahausted 10 hours into my shift ,i can do a heart operation or any a&e operation when im knackered and 11 hours into my shift
just cant drive that train after 8 hours ..........
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily
Your survey isn't from a section of the population that reflects society as a whole. It will have a greater proportion of people on benefits in it.
I agree that people who are able to work shouldn't be allowed to settle for a life on benefits but then we get in to the realms of zero hours contracts, minimum wage etc. I think suggesting modifying the population is a bit steep though.
Population modifications was a but tongue in cheek lol. I think people who are able to work should be made to carry out community service. When you add up the housing benefit and all other benefits, council tax reduction, free prescriptions etc I'm sure they'd be getting the equivalent of a good wage. Remember whatever all that adds up to is worth more than it actually is, as those working would have to pay tax on money they receive.
Yes. We were on benefits for a while when the children were small, I understand how it works.
I can't agree that its the equivalent of a good wage though, unless things have changed radically.
My best friend is on benefits, so is his wife. They have 2 kids. They don't pay rent which is worth £700 a month to them, they don't pay their council tax which would be worth what, £130 a month? Before you even add the income support or child tax credits or jsa whatever it might be, that's over £800 a month for not leaving the house. It's a lot of money to give people when they've not worked for about 3 years in my friends case, and his wife has not worked as long as they've been together which is since 2011."
I honestly don't think you can judge a whole section of society on your best friend and his wife.
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There's no easy solution to poverty because most people want to believe that it can never happen to them. That makes it easier for successive governments to demonise poor people for isn't it "their own fault"?
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This has been happening for a while. Unfortunately with Housing Allowance rates being frozen and the change over to Universal Credit, there’s a real issue with working class families going without food, heating, etc. Period poverty is also a huge problem, with a ridiculous number of young women missing school because they’re on their period and without proper protection.
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful. "
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"Can we blame or expect the state to cover everything? Where is our own responsibility?
I have friends who are teachers who buy warm clothes and waterproof footwear for their pupils as many turn up inappropriately dressed for the weather.
Breakfast clubs are now in most schools as parents not providing breakfast at home.
Instead of charging parents with the responsibility of feeding and clothing their own children we enable them to expect the government (i.e. working public) to take care of it!
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You do realise that there are parents who genuinely can’t afford to feed and dress their children!? |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily
Your survey isn't from a section of the population that reflects society as a whole. It will have a greater proportion of people on benefits in it.
I agree that people who are able to work shouldn't be allowed to settle for a life on benefits but then we get in to the realms of zero hours contracts, minimum wage etc. I think suggesting modifying the population is a bit steep though.
Population modifications was a but tongue in cheek lol. I think people who are able to work should be made to carry out community service. When you add up the housing benefit and all other benefits, council tax reduction, free prescriptions etc I'm sure they'd be getting the equivalent of a good wage. Remember whatever all that adds up to is worth more than it actually is, as those working would have to pay tax on money they receive.
Yes. We were on benefits for a while when the children were small, I understand how it works.
I can't agree that its the equivalent of a good wage though, unless things have changed radically.
My best friend is on benefits, so is his wife. They have 2 kids. They don't pay rent which is worth £700 a month to them, they don't pay their council tax which would be worth what, £130 a month? Before you even add the income support or child tax credits or jsa whatever it might be, that's over £800 a month for not leaving the house. It's a lot of money to give people when they've not worked for about 3 years in my friends case, and his wife has not worked as long as they've been together which is since 2011."
I don’t think this is entirely true. Housing Allowance rates aren’t £700 a month, they’re not even close. |
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
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. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse. |
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Ms Autumn 76 is on the right lines most of it comes down to the work ethic and common sense, its long gone time that we got back to teaching people they have to work to live not expect it to be handed to them. In the paper today some really intelligent lot somewhere propose giving all 25 year olds £10,000.00 ffs.The other day some silly bitch was on the evening news complaining she did not have enough benefits to look after her kids and she was holding a cup of costa lot coffee for ffs she needs to be trained how to make a thermos flask. Twats 95% of them easy come easy go make em sweat and appreciate it more, if the kids are hungry make sure the parents know its there fault. |
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"This has been happening for a while. Unfortunately with Housing Allowance rates being frozen and the change over to Universal Credit, there’s a real issue with working class families going without food, heating, etc. Period poverty is also a huge problem, with a ridiculous number of young women missing school because they’re on their period and without proper protection.
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I think it's difficult for many people to identify with or understand poverty and as I said it's easy to assume its their own fault.
We've lived through some tough financial times in life but because we have family and friends never came near poverty levels. |
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"This has been happening for a while. Unfortunately with Housing Allowance rates being frozen and the change over to Universal Credit, there’s a real issue with working class families going without food, heating, etc. Period poverty is also a huge problem, with a ridiculous number of young women missing school because they’re on their period and without proper protection.
I think it's difficult for many people to identify with or understand poverty and as I said it's easy to assume its their own fault.
We've lived through some tough financial times in life but because we have family and friends never came near poverty levels. "
It’s only since working within the sector that I can understand fully how difficult it is for people who don’t have that outside support. I’m the same, I got help from my parents when I went through a tough period.
Unfortunately, there’s also a lot of media bias aimed at people on benefits. |
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"This has been happening for a while. Unfortunately with Housing Allowance rates being frozen and the change over to Universal Credit, there’s a real issue with working class families going without food, heating, etc. Period poverty is also a huge problem, with a ridiculous number of young women missing school because they’re on their period and without proper protection.
I think it's difficult for many people to identify with or understand poverty and as I said it's easy to assume its their own fault.
We've lived through some tough financial times in life but because we have family and friends never came near poverty levels.
It’s only since working within the sector that I can understand fully how difficult it is for people who don’t have that outside support. I’m the same, I got help from my parents when I went through a tough period.
Unfortunately, there’s also a lot of media bias aimed at people on benefits. "
There is, and carefully worded propaganda from authorities which unfortunately people can't see through.
There are people who choose to live their life on benefits, that's undeniable but I doubt it's the majority of claimants.
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse."
How do they milk the system? |
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"What brexit is going to cost us all is going to it us all a lot harder than it is now"
it hasn't worked us being in Europe so why not try being out? in my opinion i think the time is right for change |
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"This has been happening for a while. Unfortunately with Housing Allowance rates being frozen and the change over to Universal Credit, there’s a real issue with working class families going without food, heating, etc. Period poverty is also a huge problem, with a ridiculous number of young women missing school because they’re on their period and without proper protection.
I think it's difficult for many people to identify with or understand poverty and as I said it's easy to assume its their own fault.
We've lived through some tough financial times in life but because we have family and friends never came near poverty levels.
It’s only since working within the sector that I can understand fully how difficult it is for people who don’t have that outside support. I’m the same, I got help from my parents when I went through a tough period.
Unfortunately, there’s also a lot of media bias aimed at people on benefits.
There is, and carefully worded propaganda from authorities which unfortunately people can't see through.
There are people who choose to live their life on benefits, that's undeniable but I doubt it's the majority of claimants.
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?"
. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner, |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily
Your survey isn't from a section of the population that reflects society as a whole. It will have a greater proportion of people on benefits in it.
I agree that people who are able to work shouldn't be allowed to settle for a life on benefits but then we get in to the realms of zero hours contracts, minimum wage etc. I think suggesting modifying the population is a bit steep though.
Population modifications was a but tongue in cheek lol. I think people who are able to work should be made to carry out community service. When you add up the housing benefit and all other benefits, council tax reduction, free prescriptions etc I'm sure they'd be getting the equivalent of a good wage. Remember whatever all that adds up to is worth more than it actually is, as those working would have to pay tax on money they receive.
Yes. We were on benefits for a while when the children were small, I understand how it works.
I can't agree that its the equivalent of a good wage though, unless things have changed radically.
My best friend is on benefits, so is his wife. They have 2 kids. They don't pay rent which is worth £700 a month to them, they don't pay their council tax which would be worth what, £130 a month? Before you even add the income support or child tax credits or jsa whatever it might be, that's over £800 a month for not leaving the house. It's a lot of money to give people when they've not worked for about 3 years in my friends case, and his wife has not worked as long as they've been together which is since 2011.
I don’t think this is entirely true. Housing Allowance rates aren’t £700 a month, they’re not even close."
They depend on how many bedrooms you require and where you live. Their housing benefit is 700 a month and the gets them a 2 bedroom house. |
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner, "
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste. |
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By *os19Man
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste."
. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name. |
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name."
Bad backs and depression are genuine illnesses. |
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name.
Bad backs and depression are genuine illnesses."
. They are also the easy illnesses to fake. |
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"I personally don't think people that are financially secure should be having children in the first place. I'm sure things can change, losing a job etc, but an awful lot of parents now don't even have a job when they conceive. If they were made aware that the state wouldn't pay them benefits for their children, or housing benefit, I'm sure a lot of these layabouts would be far more Careful.
Who are these layabouts and what percentage of children in poverty have layabouts for parents?
I can only go on personal experience. I have a couple of contracts with housing associations in North London and west Sussex. I have to go and check out the work my employees do in these houses. Almost all of them have young children and hardly any of them show any signs of going to work. I'm sure a few work nights.. But how many? We worked in about 3000 houses in those areas. So that's a fair few people.
People who genuinely fall on hard times deserve help. But people shouldn't be given an easy ride and allowed to settle for a life of benefits. Human race won't evolve much when you allow the weakest and thickest in humanity to breed easily
Your survey isn't from a section of the population that reflects society as a whole. It will have a greater proportion of people on benefits in it.
I agree that people who are able to work shouldn't be allowed to settle for a life on benefits but then we get in to the realms of zero hours contracts, minimum wage etc. I think suggesting modifying the population is a bit steep though.
Population modifications was a but tongue in cheek lol. I think people who are able to work should be made to carry out community service. When you add up the housing benefit and all other benefits, council tax reduction, free prescriptions etc I'm sure they'd be getting the equivalent of a good wage. Remember whatever all that adds up to is worth more than it actually is, as those working would have to pay tax on money they receive.
Yes. We were on benefits for a while when the children were small, I understand how it works.
I can't agree that its the equivalent of a good wage though, unless things have changed radically.
My best friend is on benefits, so is his wife. They have 2 kids. They don't pay rent which is worth £700 a month to them, they don't pay their council tax which would be worth what, £130 a month? Before you even add the income support or child tax credits or jsa whatever it might be, that's over £800 a month for not leaving the house. It's a lot of money to give people when they've not worked for about 3 years in my friends case, and his wife has not worked as long as they've been together which is since 2011.
I don’t think this is entirely true. Housing Allowance rates aren’t £700 a month, they’re not even close.
They depend on how many bedrooms you require and where you live. Their housing benefit is 700 a month and the gets them a 2 bedroom house. "
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"Can we blame or expect the state to cover everything? Where is our own responsibility?
I have friends who are teachers who buy warm clothes and waterproof footwear for their pupils as many turn up inappropriately dressed for the weather.
Breakfast clubs are now in most schools as parents not providing breakfast at home.
Instead of charging parents with the responsibility of feeding and clothing their own children we enable them to expect the government (i.e. working public) to take care of it!
Breakfast clubs are now free? My grandchildren's, nephews and nieces school cost from £1.20 a day and were used by parents who worked. "
No. They are not free. |
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"Can we blame or expect the state to cover everything? Where is our own responsibility?
I have friends who are teachers who buy warm clothes and waterproof footwear for their pupils as many turn up inappropriately dressed for the weather.
Breakfast clubs are now in most schools as parents not providing breakfast at home.
Instead of charging parents with the responsibility of feeding and clothing their own children we enable them to expect the government (i.e. working public) to take care of it!
Breakfast clubs are now free? My grandchildren's, nephews and nieces school cost from £1.20 a day and were used by parents who worked.
No. They are not free. "
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And they started so that the unemployed could manage to become employed.
Same as all wrap around care. Cheap for the government to get schools to do it.
They don't employ people to do care. Teachers and other people who work in schools are expected to run after school clubs and breakfast clubs for nothing in the case of teachers and next to nothing in the case of T.A.'s or parents. |
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"Can we blame or expect the state to cover everything? Where is our own responsibility?
I have friends who are teachers who buy warm clothes and waterproof footwear for their pupils as many turn up inappropriately dressed for the weather.
Breakfast clubs are now in most schools as parents not providing breakfast at home.
Instead of charging parents with the responsibility of feeding and clothing their own children we enable them to expect the government (i.e. working public) to take care of it!
Breakfast clubs are now free? My grandchildren's, nephews and nieces school cost from £1.20 a day and were used by parents who worked.
No. They are not free.
Yeah, my Sister pays around £800 per year for the breakfast club, for 2 children. "
It might be closer to £1000. |
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"Can we blame or expect the state to cover everything? Where is our own responsibility?
I have friends who are teachers who buy warm clothes and waterproof footwear for their pupils as many turn up inappropriately dressed for the weather.
Breakfast clubs are now in most schools as parents not providing breakfast at home.
Instead of charging parents with the responsibility of feeding and clothing their own children we enable them to expect the government (i.e. working public) to take care of it!
Breakfast clubs are now free? My grandchildren's, nephews and nieces school cost from £1.20 a day and were used by parents who worked.
No. They are not free.
Yeah, my Sister pays around £800 per year for the breakfast club, for 2 children. "
£2 a breakfast...... not cheap |
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name."
Sorry are you saying that depression/mental health is not a genuine reason for people to be on ESA? I work in mental health and I can guarantee you that it is incredibly tough to be able to claim employment related benefits and those that do are very severely affected. Just because it is 'invisible' doesn't mean it is not real. |
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Its the way the world is. The poor are an afterthought, I was brought up living a little above the breadline. Making ends meet every week, saw how stressful it was for my mum when one of us needed something like shoes or clothes. Makes me want to do better in my life so my kids never experience that. Hence why I'm now in university. |
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name.
Sorry are you saying that depression/mental health is not a genuine reason for people to be on ESA? I work in mental health and I can guarantee you that it is incredibly tough to be able to claim employment related benefits and those that do are very severely affected. Just because it is 'invisible' doesn't mean it is not real."
Esa is a joke to be honest. My mum is on the disabled register and is still on a low rate. Yet addicts that choose to go on methadone get the full amount the next week. Its a joke. |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name.
Sorry are you saying that depression/mental health is not a genuine reason for people to be on ESA? I work in mental health and I can guarantee you that it is incredibly tough to be able to claim employment related benefits and those that do are very severely affected. Just because it is 'invisible' doesn't mean it is not real."
. Depression / Mental Health are genuine reason to claim Employment and Support Allowance.The problem are when local GP diagnoses depression and not a professional like yourself. |
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"Its the way the world is. The poor are an afterthought, I was brought up living a little above the breadline. Making ends meet every week, saw how stressful it was for my mum when one of us needed something like shoes or clothes. Makes me want to do better in my life so my kids never experience that. Hence why I'm now in university. "
That's a great ambition and motivator. I hate to say that even that doesn't guarantee it.
I have a masters and due to a relationship breakdown I am now a lone parent, with an ex who pays practically nothing to his child, I survive by living in debt. I had to leave a well paid job as I have to take my child to and from school and I couldn't do that and manage that job. Our breakfast club and after school club totals more than £300 per month. And even using breakfast club I'd still be late to work.
Being a parent is tough. Being a lone parent is tougher. And regardless of why the child isn't being fed we surely as a society need to support the child. It isn't their fault. And if they are hungry they are unable to learn and achieve. Its a vicious cycle. |
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"Its the way the world is. The poor are an afterthought, I was brought up living a little above the breadline. Making ends meet every week, saw how stressful it was for my mum when one of us needed something like shoes or clothes. Makes me want to do better in my life so my kids never experience that. Hence why I'm now in university.
That's a great ambition and motivator. I hate to say that even that doesn't guarantee it.
I have a masters and due to a relationship breakdown I am now a lone parent, with an ex who pays practically nothing to his child, I survive by living in debt. I had to leave a well paid job as I have to take my child to and from school and I couldn't do that and manage that job. Our breakfast club and after school club totals more than £300 per month. And even using breakfast club I'd still be late to work.
Being a parent is tough. Being a lone parent is tougher. And regardless of why the child isn't being fed we surely as a society need to support the child. It isn't their fault. And if they are hungry they are unable to learn and achieve. Its a vicious cycle."
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name.
Sorry are you saying that depression/mental health is not a genuine reason for people to be on ESA? I work in mental health and I can guarantee you that it is incredibly tough to be able to claim employment related benefits and those that do are very severely affected. Just because it is 'invisible' doesn't mean it is not real.. Depression / Mental Health are genuine reason to claim Employment and Support Allowance.The problem are when local GP diagnoses depression and not a professional like yourself."
GPs are now responsible for managing MH at a primary care level so they are exactly the right people to be diagnosing. And it isn't GPs who decide whether a person get a benefits, it's the DWP after lengthy assessment. |
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"Its the way the world is. The poor are an afterthought, I was brought up living a little above the breadline. Making ends meet every week, saw how stressful it was for my mum when one of us needed something like shoes or clothes. Makes me want to do better in my life so my kids never experience that. Hence why I'm now in university.
That's a great ambition and motivator. I hate to say that even that doesn't guarantee it.
I have a masters and due to a relationship breakdown I am now a lone parent, with an ex who pays practically nothing to his child, I survive by living in debt. I had to leave a well paid job as I have to take my child to and from school and I couldn't do that and manage that job. Our breakfast club and after school club totals more than £300 per month. And even using breakfast club I'd still be late to work.
Being a parent is tough. Being a lone parent is tougher. And regardless of why the child isn't being fed we surely as a society need to support the child. It isn't their fault. And if they are hungry they are unable to learn and achieve. Its a vicious cycle."
I blame it on people having kids earlier, as early as 16.
I knew a lass from school who 19 had 3 kids.
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name.
Sorry are you saying that depression/mental health is not a genuine reason for people to be on ESA? I work in mental health and I can guarantee you that it is incredibly tough to be able to claim employment related benefits and those that do are very severely affected. Just because it is 'invisible' doesn't mean it is not real.. Depression / Mental Health are genuine reason to claim Employment and Support Allowance.The problem are when local GP diagnoses depression and not a professional like yourself."
Aw now come on...what route are you going down here?
As far as I'm aware a GP dispenses meds and does not have any say in if a sick person is awarded ESA or any other disability benefits. That is assessed pyjama a "health care professional" not the GP.
Watch "I Daniel Blake" and it might enlighten you to the plight of these so called system milkers. |
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By *olly OhWoman
over a year ago
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There but for the grace of (insert deity of your choice) go all of us. But it's easier to carry on attacking the poorest, those not lucky enough to have inherited property, the lone parent,.. than turn sights to landlords, low wage employers, absent parents etc etc.. The benefit system now stops at 2 children, does not rise with inflation and falls well short of real rents- hence starving children. This is neo-Victorian, hate-fuelled brexit Britain |
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"There but for the grace of (insert deity of your choice) go all of us. But it's easier to carry on attacking the poorest, those not lucky enough to have inherited property, the lone parent,.. than turn sights to landlords, low wage employers, absent parents etc etc.. The benefit system now stops at 2 children, does not rise with inflation and falls well short of real rents- hence starving children. This is neo-Victorian, hate-fuelled brexit Britain"
Esa is aimed at people who have the ability to work but choose not to. It makes people want to work. It has turned to this as immigrants would come over pop 4 kids out and live on the benefits with 3 other families doing the same in the same house. |
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"There but for the grace of (insert deity of your choice) go all of us. But it's easier to carry on attacking the poorest, those not lucky enough to have inherited property, the lone parent,.. than turn sights to landlords, low wage employers, absent parents etc etc.. The benefit system now stops at 2 children, does not rise with inflation and falls well short of real rents- hence starving children. This is neo-Victorian, hate-fuelled brexit Britain
Esa is aimed at people who have the ability to work but choose not to. It makes people want to work. It has turned to this as immigrants would come over pop 4 kids out and live on the benefits with 3 other families doing the same in the same house. "
ESA is for people who are sick. The support groups are for people with chronic illnesses.
Also, don’t believe everything you read regarding immigrants. Many are in this country with no recourse to public funds. There’s generally a long waiting period before they can claim anything at all.
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"Its the way the world is. The poor are an afterthought, I was brought up living a little above the breadline. Making ends meet every week, saw how stressful it was for my mum when one of us needed something like shoes or clothes. Makes me want to do better in my life so my kids never experience that. Hence why I'm now in university.
That's a great ambition and motivator. I hate to say that even that doesn't guarantee it.
I have a masters and due to a relationship breakdown I am now a lone parent, with an ex who pays practically nothing to his child, I survive by living in debt. I had to leave a well paid job as I have to take my child to and from school and I couldn't do that and manage that job. Our breakfast club and after school club totals more than £300 per month. And even using breakfast club I'd still be late to work.
Being a parent is tough. Being a lone parent is tougher. And regardless of why the child isn't being fed we surely as a society need to support the child. It isn't their fault. And if they are hungry they are unable to learn and achieve. Its a vicious cycle.
I blame it on people having kids earlier, as early as 16.
I knew a lass from school who 19 had 3 kids.
Did you not try a full time nanny? "
A nanny in central London?? The cost of that would cost almost as much as I earn!! I looked into an au pair and even that would cost me bed and board plus around £800 per month.
There is no simple answer (believe me I've searched). Luckily my child will never go hungry while my credit rating allows. I have a friend who is worse off working than being on benefits and her life is tough! She routinely goes without food to make sure her kids are fed.
It's not right when this is happening and yet Amazon/Starbucks etc pay no tax....but that's another thread..... |
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"There but for the grace of (insert deity of your choice) go all of us. But it's easier to carry on attacking the poorest, those not lucky enough to have inherited property, the lone parent,.. than turn sights to landlords, low wage employers, absent parents etc etc.. The benefit system now stops at 2 children, does not rise with inflation and falls well short of real rents- hence starving children. This is neo-Victorian, hate-fuelled brexit Britain"
This is the unfortunate truth |
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"There but for the grace of (insert deity of your choice) go all of us. But it's easier to carry on attacking the poorest, those not lucky enough to have inherited property, the lone parent,.. than turn sights to landlords, low wage employers, absent parents etc etc.. The benefit system now stops at 2 children, does not rise with inflation and falls well short of real rents- hence starving children. This is neo-Victorian, hate-fuelled brexit Britain
Esa is aimed at people who have the ability to work but choose not to. It makes people want to work. It has turned to this as immigrants would come over pop 4 kids out and live on the benefits with 3 other families doing the same in the same house.
ESA is for people who are sick. The support groups are for people with chronic illnesses.
Also, don’t believe everything you read regarding immigrants. Many are in this country with no recourse to public funds. There’s generally a long waiting period before they can claim anything at all.
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That long waiting period is what its there for.
And esa stands for employment support allowance. This is to help people between jobs. And there is help for people who work such as tax allowances. |
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"There but for the grace of (insert deity of your choice) go all of us. But it's easier to carry on attacking the poorest, those not lucky enough to have inherited property, the lone parent,.. than turn sights to landlords, low wage employers, absent parents etc etc.. The benefit system now stops at 2 children, does not rise with inflation and falls well short of real rents- hence starving children. This is neo-Victorian, hate-fuelled brexit Britain
Esa is aimed at people who have the ability to work but choose not to. It makes people want to work. It has turned to this as immigrants would come over pop 4 kids out and live on the benefits with 3 other families doing the same in the same house. "
Esa is meant for people who cannot work too it has different levels. One being in a support group which does not require any work based activities. And one that does...unfortunately not many people with real illnesses manage to get the former...so it ends up with their health deteriorating further. As said here some illnesses are not visible!
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"There but for the grace of (insert deity of your choice) go all of us. But it's easier to carry on attacking the poorest, those not lucky enough to have inherited property, the lone parent,.. than turn sights to landlords, low wage employers, absent parents etc etc.. The benefit system now stops at 2 children, does not rise with inflation and falls well short of real rents- hence starving children. This is neo-Victorian, hate-fuelled brexit Britain
Esa is aimed at people who have the ability to work but choose not to. It makes people want to work. It has turned to this as immigrants would come over pop 4 kids out and live on the benefits with 3 other families doing the same in the same house.
ESA is for people who are sick. The support groups are for people with chronic illnesses.
Also, don’t believe everything you read regarding immigrants. Many are in this country with no recourse to public funds. There’s generally a long waiting period before they can claim anything at all.
That long waiting period is what its there for.
And esa stands for employment support allowance. This is to help people between jobs. And there is help for people who work such as tax allowances. "
It’s also the main sickness benefit. Believe me, there are lots of ESA claimants who are genuinely sick and can’t work, or who can only do the 16 hour threshold. |
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"Its the way the world is. The poor are an afterthought, I was brought up living a little above the breadline. Making ends meet every week, saw how stressful it was for my mum when one of us needed something like shoes or clothes. Makes me want to do better in my life so my kids never experience that. Hence why I'm now in university.
That's a great ambition and motivator. I hate to say that even that doesn't guarantee it.
I have a masters and due to a relationship breakdown I am now a lone parent, with an ex who pays practically nothing to his child, I survive by living in debt. I had to leave a well paid job as I have to take my child to and from school and I couldn't do that and manage that job. Our breakfast club and after school club totals more than £300 per month. And even using breakfast club I'd still be late to work.
Being a parent is tough. Being a lone parent is tougher. And regardless of why the child isn't being fed we surely as a society need to support the child. It isn't their fault. And if they are hungry they are unable to learn and achieve. Its a vicious cycle.
I blame it on people having kids earlier, as early as 16.
I knew a lass from school who 19 had 3 kids.
Did you not try a full time nanny?
A nanny in central London?? The cost of that would cost almost as much as I earn!! I looked into an au pair and even that would cost me bed and board plus around £800 per month.
There is no simple answer (believe me I've searched). Luckily my child will never go hungry while my credit rating allows. I have a friend who is worse off working than being on benefits and her life is tough! She routinely goes without food to make sure her kids are fed.
It's not right when this is happening and yet Amazon/Starbucks etc pay no tax....but that's another thread..... "
Thats your issue. You live in london. London is so expensive, I am going to avoid london as much as I can but my career is aiming me that way. Luckily I'll earn more than enough to live comfortably but as a single parent I can see why it would be an issue.
International companies are a taboo subject when it comes to international trade. They have to pay tax into the country they were founded in.
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name.
Sorry are you saying that depression/mental health is not a genuine reason for people to be on ESA? I work in mental health and I can guarantee you that it is incredibly tough to be able to claim employment related benefits and those that do are very severely affected. Just because it is 'invisible' doesn't mean it is not real.. Depression / Mental Health are genuine reason to claim Employment and Support Allowance.The problem are when local GP diagnoses depression and not a professional like yourself.
Aw now come on...what route are you going down here?
As far as I'm aware a GP dispenses meds and does not have any say in if a sick person is awarded ESA or any other disability benefits. That is assessed pyjama a "health care professional" not the GP.
Watch "I Daniel Blake" and it might enlighten you to the plight of these so called system milkers. "
. This is the difficulty with Mental Health / Depression GP will say one thing DWP assessment may say another as for system milkers I believe it's getting harder with Universal Credit to do anything fraudulently but only time will tell.I Daniel Blake is a film I would like to see as I have read a overview and it is truly heart breaking. |
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name.
Sorry are you saying that depression/mental health is not a genuine reason for people to be on ESA? I work in mental health and I can guarantee you that it is incredibly tough to be able to claim employment related benefits and those that do are very severely affected. Just because it is 'invisible' doesn't mean it is not real.. Depression / Mental Health are genuine reason to claim Employment and Support Allowance.The problem are when local GP diagnoses depression and not a professional like yourself.
Aw now come on...what route are you going down here?
As far as I'm aware a GP dispenses meds and does not have any say in if a sick person is awarded ESA or any other disability benefits. That is assessed pyjama a "health care professional" not the GP.
Watch "I Daniel Blake" and it might enlighten you to the plight of these so called system milkers. . This is the difficulty with Mental Health / Depression GP will say one thing DWP assessment may say another as for system milkers I believe it's getting harder with Universal Credit to do anything fraudulently but only time will tell.I Daniel Blake is a film I would like to see as I have read a overview and it is truly heart breaking."
Watch it as it is so true to life |
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name.
Sorry are you saying that depression/mental health is not a genuine reason for people to be on ESA? I work in mental health and I can guarantee you that it is incredibly tough to be able to claim employment related benefits and those that do are very severely affected. Just because it is 'invisible' doesn't mean it is not real.. Depression / Mental Health are genuine reason to claim Employment and Support Allowance.The problem are when local GP diagnoses depression and not a professional like yourself.
Aw now come on...what route are you going down here?
As far as I'm aware a GP dispenses meds and does not have any say in if a sick person is awarded ESA or any other disability benefits. That is assessed pyjama a "health care professional" not the GP.
Watch "I Daniel Blake" and it might enlighten you to the plight of these so called system milkers. . This is the difficulty with Mental Health / Depression GP will say one thing DWP assessment may say another as for system milkers I believe it's getting harder with Universal Credit to do anything fraudulently but only time will tell.I Daniel Blake is a film I would like to see as I have read a overview and it is truly heart breaking.
Watch it as it is so true to life "
. I will do as from what I have read and anything to do with Ken Loach it's bound to be good.As I said in earlier post it not all people on benefits that are milking the system and I would like to apologise to anyone who I may have upset or offended as sometimes it's not easy trying to get your view across on a forums. |
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"Can we blame or expect the state to cover everything? Where is our own responsibility?
I have friends who are teachers who buy warm clothes and waterproof footwear for their pupils as many turn up inappropriately dressed for the weather.
Breakfast clubs are now in most schools as parents not providing breakfast at home.
Instead of charging parents with the responsibility of feeding and clothing their own children we enable them to expect the government (i.e. working public) to take care of it!
You do realise that there are parents who genuinely can’t afford to feed and dress their children!?"
But whose fault is that?
Who knows what lies ahead for any of us, living in the UK we are lucky. Shit can happen to any of us, however, it doesn't mean that we don't have to take some responsibility. |
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name.
Sorry are you saying that depression/mental health is not a genuine reason for people to be on ESA? I work in mental health and I can guarantee you that it is incredibly tough to be able to claim employment related benefits and those that do are very severely affected. Just because it is 'invisible' doesn't mean it is not real.. Depression / Mental Health are genuine reason to claim Employment and Support Allowance.The problem are when local GP diagnoses depression and not a professional like yourself.
Aw now come on...what route are you going down here?
As far as I'm aware a GP dispenses meds and does not have any say in if a sick person is awarded ESA or any other disability benefits. That is assessed pyjama a "health care professional" not the GP.
Watch "I Daniel Blake" and it might enlighten you to the plight of these so called system milkers. . This is the difficulty with Mental Health / Depression GP will say one thing DWP assessment may say another as for system milkers I believe it's getting harder with Universal Credit to do anything fraudulently but only time will tell.I Daniel Blake is a film I would like to see as I have read a overview and it is truly heart breaking.
Watch it as it is so true to life . I will do as from what I have read and anything to do with Ken Loach it's bound to be good.As I said in earlier post it not all people on benefits that are milking the system and I would like to apologise to anyone who I may have upset or offended as sometimes it's not easy trying to get your view across on a forums."
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"yes that was my thought, it is surely the job of parents to feed their kids and keep them clean. No poverty could excuse not feeding children. What do they spend any money they have on?"
Gas electric water rates council tax and God forgive if they have that mobile phone what they need to get a job or the Internet for the kids....something has to give...but hey its been said before...there's no magic money tree eh.. |
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"yes that was my thought, it is surely the job of parents to feed their kids and keep them clean. No poverty could excuse not feeding children. What do they spend any money they have on?"
rent, heat, utilities. |
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"yes that was my thought, it is surely the job of parents to feed their kids and keep them clean. No poverty could excuse not feeding children. What do they spend any money they have on?
rent, heat, utilities. "
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"yes that was my thought, it is surely the job of parents to feed their kids and keep them clean. No poverty could excuse not feeding children. What do they spend any money they have on?
rent, heat, utilities.
Feck it took me ages to type that out...and along come you and does it in 3 words "
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"yes that was my thought, it is surely the job of parents to feed their kids and keep them clean. No poverty could excuse not feeding children. What do they spend any money they have on?
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rent, heat, utilities. "
I work in a school and it never ceases to annoy me how many of the poorest kids come to school under fed, unclean, but smelling of fags and dogs.
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The homeless jobless and disenfranchised will always be with us no matter what government is in power or what external pan-global organisations we belong to.
How we treat such people is a measure of our humanity and concern for our fellow man or woman.
The sniping nature of some comments on this thread suggests we all have much to learn about the lives of others that may sometimes be far harder than our own.
Most of us are only 2 paychecks from being unable to meet the needs of our children and families.
And whilst this like all media stories comes with its own agenda perhaps we should consider if you were walking in the shoes of those struggling to feed your hungry children through changed circumstances if you had to go without food to feed your child if you were awake at night wondering if your child had a home to sleep in tomorrow night.... would your views suddenly change....
We the people sometimes need the support of we the people....its the sign of a civilisdd society...
Or we the people can simply sit snipe and bitch about injustice...
Whilst the childern suffer...
Wanders back into the man cave...
sadly...
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I dont mean to be harsh but reports from social services all say parent neglect is a bit factor. I really do my bit to aid society I am no right wing tory but I get angry at this constant blaming the government for everything. Homelessness is a differnet matter, many things come into play there mental health issus , divorce all manner of things and I view it as a blot on our society as a whole |
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"If a child's parent is unemployed doesn't the school provide a free lunch.
They used to, I think it's still the case.
. If the school provides one meal a day I suppose it better than not at all.I know it's not ideal but sadly that's the way it is.Some people have found a way to milk the system although with Universal Credit coming in it may be harder to milk the system although some say it could be worse.
How do they milk the system?. Some work cash in hand , others claim to be separated from a partner yet still fall pregnant by the same partner,
That's fraudulently claiming and they aren't solely relying on benefits. People solely relying on benefits don't have money to waste.. True the majority need the benefits but it's the one that want to claim sickness benefit for a bad back , depression , or the lone parent that keeps on having children to get more child benefits or a bigger property that give the majority a bad name.
Sorry are you saying that depression/mental health is not a genuine reason for people to be on ESA? I work in mental health and I can guarantee you that it is incredibly tough to be able to claim employment related benefits and those that do are very severely affected. Just because it is 'invisible' doesn't mean it is not real.. Depression / Mental Health are genuine reason to claim Employment and Support Allowance.The problem are when local GP diagnoses depression and not a professional like yourself.
Aw now come on...what route are you going down here?
As far as I'm aware a GP dispenses meds and does not have any say in if a sick person is awarded ESA or any other disability benefits. That is assessed pyjama a "health care professional" not the GP.
Watch "I Daniel Blake" and it might enlighten you to the plight of these so called system milkers. . This is the difficulty with Mental Health / Depression GP will say one thing DWP assessment may say another as for system milkers I believe it's getting harder with Universal Credit to do anything fraudulently but only time will tell.I Daniel Blake is a film I would like to see as I have read a overview and it is truly heart breaking.
Watch it as it is so true to life . I will do as from what I have read and anything to do with Ken Loach it's bound to be good.As I said in earlier post it not all people on benefits that are milking the system and I would like to apologise to anyone who I may have upset or offended as sometimes it's not easy trying to get your view across on a forums.
I know mate we can come across a bit harsh in text...no worries "
. Thanks for understanding I do understand people get frustrated with the system let's just pray and hope they don't have to suffer like in the film.Hopefully things will improve |
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"yes that was my thought, it is surely the job of parents to feed their kids and keep them clean. No poverty could excuse not feeding children. What do they spend any money they have on?
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rent, heat, utilities.
I work in a school and it never ceases to annoy me how many of the poorest kids come to school under fed, unclean, but smelling of fags and dogs.
Cal"
a friend of mine had to issue a foodbank voucher to a 17 year old student because their parents were alcoholics and there was no food in the house. The poor aren't perfect I know that but not all of them are drinking white lightning, watching 50 inch tellys and smoking roll ups either.
I don't know how far we want to go down the road of telling people what they can do with their money (although I think all of us would sell our tv rather than see our kids hungry) or dividing people into the deserving and undeserving poor.
I don't know the answer but even Jesus said the poor will always be with us.  |
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The ugly truth with todays world is that the poor are an afterthought and the rich just focus on getting richer.
We have gone backwards to the dynamic when the poor were looked down on. |
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a friend of mine had to issue a foodbank voucher to a 17 year old student because their parents were alcoholics and there was no food in the house. The poor aren't perfect I know that but not all of them are drinking white lightning, watching 50 inch tellys and smoking roll ups either.
I don't know how far we want to go down the road of telling people what they can do with their money (although I think all of us would sell our tv rather than see our kids hungry) or dividing people into the deserving and undeserving poor.
I don't know the answer but even Jesus said the poor will always be with us. "
I agree. There are families that we know are very poor, but the kids are well turned out and well fed and mum/dad will give up everything to ensure the kids are taken care of.
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"yes that was my thought, it is surely the job of parents to feed their kids and keep them clean. No poverty could excuse not feeding children. What do they spend any money they have on?
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rent, heat, utilities.
I work in a school and it never ceases to annoy me how many of the poorest kids come to school under fed, unclean, but smelling of fags and dogs.
Cal
a friend of mine had to issue a foodbank voucher to a 17 year old student because their parents were alcoholics and there was no food in the house. The poor aren't perfect I know that but not all of them are drinking white lightning, watching 50 inch tellys and smoking roll ups either.
I don't know how far we want to go down the road of telling people what they can do with their money (although I think all of us would sell our tv rather than see our kids hungry) or dividing people into the deserving and undeserving poor.
I don't know the answer but even Jesus said the poor will always be with us. "
I started volunteering in a Foodbank around 6 months ago. I’ve come across a lot of people who have sold their TVs, jewellery, etc to feed their family. It’s heartbreaking. |
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"Poor parenting skills and high tax credits do not guarantee a child will be fed or cared for.
A lot of people cannot budget.
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this is also true. Lots of people have no idea how to feed a family cheaply either but if nobody has ever shown them how will they learn.
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"Poor parenting skills and high tax credits do not guarantee a child will be fed or cared for.
A lot of people cannot budget.
this is also true. Lots of people have no idea how to feed a family cheaply either but if nobody has ever shown them how will they learn.
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"Poor parenting skills and high tax credits do not guarantee a child will be fed or cared for.
A lot of people cannot budget.
this is also true. Lots of people have no idea how to feed a family cheaply either but if nobody has ever shown them how will they learn.
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its one of the reasosns the problem is so difficult to solve. |
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"The homeless jobless and disenfranchised will always be with us no matter what government is in power or what external pan-global organisations we belong to.
How we treat such people is a measure of our humanity and concern for our fellow man or woman.
The sniping nature of some comments on this thread suggests we all have much to learn about the lives of others that may sometimes be far harder than our own.
Most of us are only 2 paychecks from being unable to meet the needs of our children and families.
And whilst this like all media stories comes with its own agenda perhaps we should consider if you were walking in the shoes of those struggling to feed your hungry children through changed circumstances if you had to go without food to feed your child if you were awake at night wondering if your child had a home to sleep in tomorrow night.... would your views suddenly change....
We the people sometimes need the support of we the people....its the sign of a civilisdd society...
Or we the people can simply sit snipe and bitch about injustice...
Whilst the childern suffer...
Wanders back into the man cave...
sadly...
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Your compassion and empathy are beautiful. My favourite comment on this thread. |
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By *olly OhWoman
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Compassion and empathy is right. So much judgment on this issue with no idea of the miserable unrelenting reality. We might have a kinder society if we could try and imagine walking in someone else's shoes for a moment |
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"Can we blame or expect the state to cover everything? Where is our own responsibility?
I have friends who are teachers who buy warm clothes and waterproof footwear for their pupils as many turn up inappropriately dressed for the weather.
Breakfast clubs are now in most schools as parents not providing breakfast at home.
Instead of charging parents with the responsibility of feeding and clothing their own children we enable them to expect the government (i.e. working public) to take care of it!
Breakfast clubs are now free? My grandchildren's, nephews and nieces school cost from £1.20 a day and were used by parents who worked. "
£5 a day here and used by working parents. But it's not like forumites to let the truth get in the way of getting stuck in with their 'opinion'
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"At the risk of getting shot down. I'm willing to admit being puzzled.
What has this to do with schools ?
Isn't it a parent's job to feed their children ?
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Some parents are so selfish if you have children you make them your priority....not cigs booze drugs hair and bloody nail salons like some do.....maybe some should be given food vouchers instead of cash in such circumstances. |
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Universal income. Everyone gets £10000 a year from the state. That's it. Enough to live on, just. You want more, get a job. Avoids the bureaucracy of means testing, fraud detection, adminstration of 90 odd benefits. |
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"At the risk of getting shot down. I'm willing to admit being puzzled.
What has this to do with schools ?
Isn't it a parent's job to feed their children ?
Some parents are so selfish if you have children you make them your priority....not cigs booze drugs hair and bloody nail salons like some do.....maybe some should be given food vouchers instead of cash in such circumstances."
Some but far from all.....right? |
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"At the risk of getting shot down. I'm willing to admit being puzzled.
What has this to do with schools ?
Isn't it a parent's job to feed their children ?
Some parents are so selfish if you have children you make them your priority....not cigs booze drugs hair and bloody nail salons like some do.....maybe some should be given food vouchers instead of cash in such circumstances.
Some but far from all.....right?"
I don't know any, and I know loads of parents with school aged children. |
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"At the risk of getting shot down. I'm willing to admit being puzzled.
What has this to do with schools ?
Isn't it a parent's job to feed their children ?
Some parents are so selfish if you have children you make them your priority....not cigs booze drugs hair and bloody nail salons like some do.....maybe some should be given food vouchers instead of cash in such circumstances.
Some but far from all.....right?"
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"At the risk of getting shot down. I'm willing to admit being puzzled.
What has this to do with schools ?
Isn't it a parent's job to feed their children ?
Some parents are so selfish if you have children you make them your priority....not cigs booze drugs hair and bloody nail salons like some do.....maybe some should be given food vouchers instead of cash in such circumstances.
Some but far from all.....right?"
Some...not all are guilty |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I heard on sky news how it is and since 2015 it have gotten worse, where kids have to steal food at lunch time, the torys have failed them, they even said food banks are good, how do you think the situation can get better? Brexit wont help."
What has Brexit got to do with it more down to parents taking drugs,drinking etc and not caring for there kids.
Poveerty exists for real in many countries but is very minor in the UK they all get child allowance |
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"Poor parenting skills and high tax credits do not guarantee a child will be fed or cared for.
A lot of people cannot budget.
this is also true. Lots of people have no idea how to feed a family cheaply either but if nobody has ever shown them how will they learn.
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I have a male friend who could run rings around the likes of Gordon Ramsey. His mum fell into a deep depression when his dad left and stopped caring. He'd come in from school hungry so taught himself how to cook for himself and his mother: he was 15.
I used to spend a fortune on convenience food ie cabbage and Leeks already chopped, prick the bag, four minutes in the microwave. Chicken already seasoned, come in own cooking tray, half hour in oven...jobs a goodun! Tilda rice, all in £10 for two.
Now I'm retired I'll buy veg and chop it up. Chicken by the tray, season and freeze. Rice by the kilo and frozen veg to pep up the rice. £10 can feed us for the week.
I'm not for one second suggesting some people don't struggle and need help, but it helps no one if we take away responsibility from individuals and say "there, there, poor you".
It's nice living in a country with a safety net, as said but for the grace of God, it doesn't mean as individuals we relinquish all responsibility and expect "the state" to provide.
No child should go hungry and we have to and do help : doesn't mean we should just pay up and shut up! |
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By *rozacMan
over a year ago
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there used to be more jobs for dumb dumbs but lots of factories and coal mines shut down or got moved overseas
Now dumb dumbs just watch jeremy kyle and the kardashians and pop out kids and scrounge.
Torys are evil but dumb dumbs in society dont help either. And they breed more than honest, normal types with jobs. |
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"there used to be more jobs for dumb dumbs but lots of factories and coal mines shut down or got moved overseas
Now dumb dumbs just watch jeremy kyle and the kardashians and pop out kids and scrounge.
Torys are evil but dumb dumbs in society dont help either. And they breed more than honest, normal types with jobs."
Was it necessary to be so disparaging of others? |
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