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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Do you think the west should do more to show off their religion, like in poland and spain? Here in spain it is called la semana santa, it is the holy week and it starts 25th march and ends on 1st april, it is a big celebration of jesus and they carry him and the cross with music and very festive things. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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No I don't, different countries have different customs. Christianity is just one of the Wests religions. We already have customs people do in their church. |
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By *ilNdoCouple
over a year ago
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You know what I think we should do....
Hold a Non-religious festival.
Now that is something I would partake in!! 
Also, have a few days holiday period for said people. I'd go for that....anything for a day off  |
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There have been a few low key, local celebrations. The archbishop of Canterbury did a walk and addressed the crowd for instance. We don't have a tradition of colourful religious celebration in Britain |
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Countries like Poland and Spain still have very active Catholic communities, in a way we don't here. People here may identify as Christians while rarely stepping foot in a church. It is different for practicing Catholics they will go to mass regularly and hold their fiestas and celebrations where entire towns will get involved. Catholicism has never been big in my area (north east Scotland) but my town has a Catholic church. It was dying on its arse until Polish people started coming to the town. Now that church is thriving again. |
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"According to the last census, the majority religion in the UK is Jedi - not sure if they do Easter Eggs?  "
If only you could believe everything you read. According to the 2011 census:
1. Christianity
2. Islam
3. Hinduism
4. Sikhism
5. Judaism
6. Buddhism
People listing ‘Jedi’ were the seventh largest single grouping. It is not recognised as a religion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"science is just another religion, relying on a book to give people a reason to be. the two are much closer aligned than most would care to admit."
That is no where near remotely true |
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"No, I think secularism is a wonderful gift to the world that the West should rightly be proud of and promote"
I agree.
Religion should be a personal thing not something you "show off".
I'm happy for people to practice any religion they wish, as long as they do not try to foist it on others.
I know it is a great comfort for many, but I view it more as a way to control the masses.
There's even people quite high up in the UK church, who admit they don't actually believe what they preach 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"science is just another religion, relying on a book to give people a reason to be. the two are much closer aligned than most would care to admit.
That is no where near remotely true "
how so young man how so please elaborate |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"What you on about easter is about wierd egg laying bunnys not religion
Yep. And we have Christmas cos that's when Santa was born. My kid told me  "
Easter is about the resurrection of jesus. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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ok people imagine a scenario where a person reads a book and derives there worth from it I don't know lets just say the bible. I am neither saying it happened as it is written or not I pointing out it can give people meaning, now if a science book answers a question for someone about the meaning of life and gives them solace in this way I would say they both achieve the exact same thing no?? |
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Science uses controlled experiments with observed results to establish the laws and rules of the universe. Scientists acknowledge the difference between theory and what is currently observed. When results do not support the theory, it is abandoned or adapted accordingly.
Religion is blind faith in the existence of something with no evidence to support the belief. Religion does not adapt. There are no controlled experiments to support any belief system, and no quantifiable results. |
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"science is just another religion, relying on a book to give people a reason to be. the two are much closer aligned than most would care to admit.
That is no where near remotely true how so young man how so please elaborate "
If you destroyed all written words and wiped peoples memory’s of all things religion and science, you would never get the same religions again. But you would make all the same scientific discoveries.
Science is based on rules that can’t be broken, religion is just want somebody made up |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What you on about easter is about wierd egg laying bunnys not religion
Yep. And we have Christmas cos that's when Santa was born. My kid told me Easter is about the resurrection of jesus."
You lie like cheap japanese watch |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you think the west should do more to show off their religion, like in poland and spain? Here in spain it is called la semana santa, it is the holy week and it starts 25th march and ends on 1st april, it is a big celebration of jesus and they carry him and the cross with music and very festive things."
Have to admit Shag, I do miss LA Semana Santa, and the other Holy festivals that are celebrated during the year, having spent 9 yrs in Spain x Portugal, and my exes family being very committee to the Catholic Church, did however attend Good Friday service today and sad to say the majority of the congregations average age was 70+, there just isn't the commitment to Catholicism here Shag, it's predominantly Church of England faith. Would be nice to see some fiestas over here though xx |
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By (user no longer on site)
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so lets say a scientist tells you a layman why something is or how it came to be. you have no understanding of what makes that true or not yet you take his word for it is this not a faith so to speak, plus science never proves anything only creates more questions again the same as religion. science is the religion of the new millennium control by confusion perhaps, are you telling me some of those scientific theories are any less or more whack than some religious theories. theory being the operative word if you catch my drift |
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The Bible is a collection of stories, scientifically proven to have been written long after the events they claim to describe. It is contradictory. If people believe what it says, they are doing so on blind faith with no solid evidence.
The information in a science book can be verified through reproduction of the mathematics or practical experiments. The very fundamental nature of science is that results can be verified. There is not a single science book that expects you to believe in what it reports without any evidence. Even things like theoretical physics; they acknowledge that it is theory, but it’s based on verified knowledge. |
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"science is just another religion, relying on a book to give people a reason to be. the two are much closer aligned than most would care to admit.
That is no where near remotely true how so young man how so please elaborate
If you destroyed all written words and wiped peoples memory’s of all things religion and science, you would never get the same religions again. But you would make all the same scientific discoveries.
Science is based on rules that can’t be broken, religion is just want somebody made up "
Disagree with your last line. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further |
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"so lets say a scientist tells you a layman why something is or how it came to be. you have no understanding of what makes that true or not yet you take his word for it is this not a faith so to speak, plus science never proves anything only creates more questions again the same as religion. science is the religion of the new millennium control by confusion perhaps, are you telling me some of those scientific theories are any less or more whack than some religious theories. theory being the operative word if you catch my drift"
So, because one person is ignorant, it’s all blind faith? No. Wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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anybody with half an ounce of intelligence does not believe the bible word for word that's what creationists do that's not the word of god that's a man made version just like science |
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further"
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll. |
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"Do you think the west should do more to show off their religion, like in poland and spain? Here in spain it is called la semana santa, it is the holy week and it starts 25th march and ends on 1st april, it is a big celebration of jesus and they carry him and the cross with music and very festive things."
There are more non believers than believers Shag.
Religion remains social control and part and parcel of the 'establishment'
Try getting on in politics if you renounce God. Particularly in America.
Good old Tony Blair wasn't beyond changing his religion to get on. |
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"science is just another religion, relying on a book to give people a reason to be. the two are much closer aligned than most would care to admit."
Absolutely not the case.
See explanation above.
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Let's say the bible had never been written,now fast forward to today. I started to write the teachings of the bible online anonymously but leaving out the words Christian and Jesus. Guess what...I'd be watching out for a drone strike now....COVER...BOOM. |
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"According to the last census, the majority religion in the UK is Jedi - not sure if they do Easter Eggs?
If only you could believe everything you read. According to the 2011 census:
1. Christianity
2. Islam
3. Hinduism
4. Sikhism
5. Judaism
6. Buddhism
People listing ‘Jedi’ were the seventh largest single grouping. It is not recognised as a religion."
It’s a better religion than most! |
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"granny crumpet 2 3rds of the world believe in some kind of religion so that is actually a false claim"
Hi joint effort
If you press the Quote button instead of reply in forum ...... you won't have to say people's names AND people can see what you are replying to.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll."
I agree with this.
Water will always boil at the same temperature
Helium will always be lighter than oxygen
Light travels faster than sound
The list goes on, the rules of science are exact. There is a difference between science and theoretical science. But the laws remain the same |
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"granny crumpet 2 3rds of the world believe in some kind of religion so that is actually a false claim
Hi joint effort
If you press the Quote button instead of reply in forum ...... you won't have to say people's names AND people can see what you are replying to.
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thanks man |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
I agree with this.
Water will always boil at the same temperature
Helium will always be lighter than oxygen
Light travels faster than sound
The list goes on, the rules of science are exact. There is a difference between science and theoretical science. But the laws remain the same"
ok water boils differently depending on atmospheric pressure sound travels at different speeds under water in heat etc, |
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"granny crumpet 2 3rds of the world believe in some kind of religion so that is actually a false claim
Hi joint effort
If you press the Quote button instead of reply in forum ...... you won't have to say people's names AND people can see what you are replying to.
thanks man"
S'ok lad. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"science is just another religion, relying on a book to give people a reason to be. the two are much closer aligned than most would care to admit.
That is no where near remotely true how so young man how so please elaborate
If you destroyed all written words and wiped peoples memory’s of all things religion and science, you would never get the same religions again. But you would make all the same scientific discoveries.
Science is based on rules that can’t be broken, religion is just want somebody made up
Disagree with your last line."
Ok I could have worded that much more politely. I apologise if I stepped on anyone’s toes. I never mean to bash someone’s beliefs |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
I agree with this.
Water will always boil at the same temperature
Helium will always be lighter than oxygen
Light travels faster than sound
The list goes on, the rules of science are exact. There is a difference between science and theoretical science. But the laws remain the same ok water boils differently depending on atmospheric pressure sound travels at different speeds under water in heat etc,"
Valiant attempt to try and prove me wrong. Swing and a miss though eh? |
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll."
There's the personal insult again. It appears in many of your posts.
If you lost the insult people might listen to your points more. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
There's the personal insult again. It appears in many of your posts.
If you lost the insult people might listen to your points more. "
arrogance and ignorance go in hand |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
There's the personal insult again. It appears in many of your posts.
If you lost the insult people might listen to your points more. "
The moment you resort to insults is the moment you lost the debate.
I believe a wise man once said that, or a woman, maybe I just made it up |
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"science is just another religion, relying on a book to give people a reason to be. the two are much closer aligned than most would care to admit.
That is no where near remotely true how so young man how so please elaborate
If you destroyed all written words and wiped peoples memory’s of all things religion and science, you would never get the same religions again. But you would make all the same scientific discoveries.
Science is based on rules that can’t be broken, religion is just want somebody made up
Disagree with your last line.
Ok I could have worded that much more politely. I apologise if I stepped on anyone’s toes. I never mean to bash someone’s beliefs "
Thanks. No toes crushed. It was the science bit I disagreed with ..... You weren't impolite in the least.
There is often new thinking in Science which extends our understanding so I don't go with the 'rules that can't be broken bit' ... |
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
I agree with this.
Water will always boil at the same temperature
Helium will always be lighter than oxygen
Light travels faster than sound
The list goes on, the rules of science are exact. There is a difference between science and theoretical science. But the laws remain the same"
Yorkshire will always be better than Lancashire. See he’s right. Exact rules |
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
There's the personal insult again. It appears in many of your posts.
If you lost the insult people might listen to your points more.
The moment you resort to insults is the moment you lost the debate.
I believe a wise man once said that, or a woman, maybe I just made it up "
I'm sure it was a woman  |
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
I agree with this.
Water will always boil at the same temperature
Helium will always be lighter than oxygen
Light travels faster than sound
The list goes on, the rules of science are exact. There is a difference between science and theoretical science. But the laws remain the same
Yorkshire will always be better than Lancashire. See he’s right. Exact rules "
Thumbwarrrrrrrrrrs ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"science is just another religion, relying on a book to give people a reason to be. the two are much closer aligned than most would care to admit."
The only way they are aligned, is the fact both groups have faith in someone or something.
Live and let live, if people want to celebrate their beliefs, let them crack on.
Gone are the days of old when religion was a staple in life for the masses. We've evolved, and there's a lot of unanswered questions, questions that have made people questions their beliefs. The thinning of the heard is naturally going to reduce the celebrations.
For most in the UK, Easter is all about chocolate and The Easter Bunny.
Ps. I'm Agnostic  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
There's the personal insult again. It appears in many of your posts.
If you lost the insult people might listen to your points more.
The moment you resort to insults is the moment you lost the debate.
I believe a wise man once said that, or a woman, maybe I just made it up
I'm sure it was a woman "
I disagree with that last line |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"science is just another religion, relying on a book to give people a reason to be. the two are much closer aligned than most would care to admit.
That is no where near remotely true how so young man how so please elaborate
If you destroyed all written words and wiped peoples memory’s of all things religion and science, you would never get the same religions again. But you would make all the same scientific discoveries.
Science is based on rules that can’t be broken, religion is just want somebody made up
Disagree with your last line.
Ok I could have worded that much more politely. I apologise if I stepped on anyone’s toes. I never mean to bash someone’s beliefs
Thanks. No toes crushed. It was the science bit I disagreed with ..... You weren't impolite in the least.
There is often new thinking in Science which extends our understanding so I don't go with the 'rules that can't be broken bit' ... "
The rules are there whether we, as a race, know what they are or not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I’ve got some beautiful memories aligned with my man JayC.
Sat in assembly at 7 years old, belting out pure assembly anthems, doing the actions n all....good times |
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
I agree with this.
Water will always boil at the same temperature
Helium will always be lighter than oxygen
Light travels faster than sound
The list goes on, the rules of science are exact. There is a difference between science and theoretical science. But the laws remain the same
Yorkshire will always be better than Lancashire. See he’s right. Exact rules "
See, it’s science |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"anyway off out for a smoke enjoy people don't get too angry lol
sound like a flatearther...
The earth is flat. That’s why spirit levels are straight "
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"I’ve got some beautiful memories aligned with my man JayC.
Sat in assembly at 7 years old, belting out pure assembly anthems, doing the actions n all....good times "
I love singing many of the hymns old and new ......... i couldn't be a more ardent disbeliever tho .... |
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"There's the personal insult again. It appears in many of your posts.
If you lost the insult people might listen to your points more. "
It’s doubtful but on a more positive note the insult is like an easily spotted - I don’t know what I’m talking about full stop!
Makes the gibberish that you’ve just read much easier to dismiss too |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What you on about easter is about wierd egg laying bunnys not religion
Yep. And we have Christmas cos that's when Santa was born. My kid told me Easter is about the resurrection of jesus."
That cracks me up....people celebrating the rebirth of a made up cunt. Strange lot the religious types |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Nothing but bullshit. Sorry shag no offence ment but having had the most controlling religious upbringing I see it for what it is a crock of shit...."
Marry me?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Do you think the west should do more to show off their religion, like in poland and spain? Here in spain it is called la semana santa, it is the holy week and it starts 25th march and ends on 1st april, it is a big celebration of jesus and they carry him and the cross with music and very festive things.
Have to admit Shag, I do miss LA Semana Santa, and the other Holy festivals that are celebrated during the year, having spent 9 yrs in Spain x Portugal, and my exes family being very committee to the Catholic Church, did however attend Good Friday service today and sad to say the majority of the congregations average age was 70+, there just isn't the commitment to Catholicism here Shag, it's predominantly Church of England faith. Would be nice to see some fiestas over here though xx "
That is good you have been to spain too and yes, here are lots of celebrations. I like all the festive things and I have seen many of them. |
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"Nothing but bullshit. Sorry shag no offence ment but having had the most controlling religious upbringing I see it for what it is a crock of shit....
Marry me? "
Church wedding? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Spiritual belief is a personal thing. I’m from a science background, but my knowledge, understanding and respect for science has not removed my non-scientific personal faith. Proven science can’t be contradicted, but someone’s faith (as long as it doesn’t hurt anybody else) should be respected.
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"Nothing but bullshit. Sorry shag no offence ment but having had the most controlling religious upbringing I see it for what it is a crock of shit....
Marry me? "
Blastfomy. She used the m word burn her at the stake. Least I hope it was her  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You're lucky, Shag; Spain would be a fantastic country to live in so long as I was nowhere near a tourist resort, - I'd hate that. "
Yes ty and it is a nice country too and warm, yeah I am near a resort. I like it and the siestas as the streets are almost empty during 2pm to 5pm.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"anybody with half an ounce of intelligence does not believe the bible word for word that's what creationists do that's not the word of god that's a man made version just like science"
I once listened to a Nuclear scientist speak about how he came to believe in the existant of the Biblical God, the Divine Creator....
It was the research that he and his fellow Nuclear scientists done on behalf of the British Goverment, he said most of them came to the same conclusions... |
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
I agree with this.
Water will always boil at the same temperature
Helium will always be lighter than oxygen
Light travels faster than sound
The list goes on, the rules of science are exact. There is a difference between science and theoretical science. But the laws remain the same"
water doesn't always boil at the same temperature, this has only relatively recently been discovered by scientists - but did they make a big deal about previously being wrong?
This typifies science, people follow it like a religion when it continuously proves itself to be wrong.
There's equally some seriously inflated egos amongst the 'congregation' too! |
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"anyway off out for a smoke enjoy people don't get too angry lol
sound like a flatearther..."
def not a flat earther I believe a large amount of the science but its just names we give it where that science comes from that is the question?? god? perhaps?why not? |
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Christianity is a minority pastime in the UK, with fewer people holding much interest or belief. People can celebrate in their own way, without much, of any, disturbance of others.
I think in 100 years it will be seen as something that was a relic of a bygone era. |
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
I agree with this.
Water will always boil at the same temperature
Helium will always be lighter than oxygen
Light travels faster than sound
The list goes on, the rules of science are exact. There is a difference between science and theoretical science. But the laws remain the same"
DOn't try that experiment with water boiling at the top of Mt Everest - you may find you need to allow for more than one factor in relation to boiling points. |
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"anyway off out for a smoke enjoy people don't get too angry lol
sound like a flatearther... def not a flat earther I believe a large amount of the science but its just names we give it where that science comes from that is the question?? god? perhaps?why not?"
why not , so many reasons but one good one is if a small human brain wonders how complex matter comes to exist and then theories that the only solution is a more complex thing it then always amazes me why they stop asking the question , surly this complex god is beyond explanation surely as brain cannot compute that grass evolved from simple form it must have been designed that way then by default your god concept MUST have been designed and that designer and the designer of the designer , eventually we get to a point that the creator god is a stupid concept that solves no question and provokes a more complex basis for it's existence than a solution for matter existing without a creator xxx
nature across the universe exhibits a cold non compassionate survive or not survive evolutionary process evidence for any creator with compassionate or benevolent caring attributes is totally none existent x
religions ARE human invented this is a fact
logically at very very best for theists only one out of the vast number of religious doctrine could be true meaning at very least all the other texts, rules , explanations and stories were directly from the inventive human mind
only one the Greek god concept could be true or the Christian one at LEAST one of the stories was made up so we know humans love to make stuff up and blindly follow it x |
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
I agree with this.
Water will always boil at the same temperature
Helium will always be lighter than oxygen
Light travels faster than sound
The list goes on, the rules of science are exact. There is a difference between science and theoretical science. But the laws remain the same
water doesn't always boil at the same temperature, this has only relatively recently been discovered by scientists - but did they make a big deal about previously being wrong?
This typifies science, people follow it like a religion when it continuously proves itself to be wrong.
There's equally some seriously inflated egos amongst the 'congregation' too! "
Relatively reently? You may need to define that since steam engines depend on what we know about the boiling point of water, including the influence of pressure upon it, as do car radiators (amongst other things).... |
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"I would rephrase that and say that the rules in science are created by the scientists themselves they create boundaries because they lack the knowledge to go further
No, the rules of science aren’t created by the scientists. You clearly don’t have a clue what you’re talking about, and assume that everyone is just as ignorant. Cheerio, troll.
I agree with this.
Water will always boil at the same temperature
Helium will always be lighter than oxygen
Light travels faster than sound
The list goes on, the rules of science are exact. There is a difference between science and theoretical science. But the laws remain the same
water doesn't always boil at the same temperature, this has only relatively recently been discovered by scientists - but did they make a big deal about previously being wrong?
This typifies science, people follow it like a religion when it continuously proves itself to be wrong.
There's equally some seriously inflated egos amongst the 'congregation' too! "
That's the whole bloody point about science. Experiment. If someone can prove that existing scientific paradigms are incorrect via experiment, then the old paradigm will be ditched and that person will win a nobel prize.
I don't see any Christians conducting experiments as to whether God exists. |
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"What came first the bunny or the egg"
From my pub quiz...
Easter eggs celebrate the resurrection.
The easter bunny comes from German tradition. The easter bunny finds out whether children have been good or bad at the start of eastertime.
No, I didn't know either. |
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"No, I think secularism is a wonderful gift to the world that the West should rightly be proud of and promote"
I think we gave the world enough gifts when we colonized half of it and wonder why they hate us now. |
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To be honest no don't think we should.
We are not and have not been a Christian country for many years to be honest. We are a nation of multi faiths and cultures and I love that.
Also add to that if we truly want to celebrate religious times like this then do it true to our ancestral roots.
Easter is a pagan festival celebrating the spring equinox, whilst religious culture celebrates the resurrection.
Early Christianity made a pragmatic acceptance of ancient pagan practises, most of which we enjoy today at Easter.
Also the The general symbolic story of the death of the son (sun) on a cross (the constellation of the Southern Cross) and his rebirth, overcoming the powers of darkness, was a well worn story in the ancient world. There were plenty of parallel, rival resurrected saviours too.
Sumerian, Egyptian, Persian are among ancient civilizations that have a version of the Easter Story. |
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"What you on about easter is about wierd egg laying bunnys not religion
Yep. And we have Christmas cos that's when Santa was born. My kid told me
Easter is about the resurrection of jesus."
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"To be honest no don't think we should.
We are not and have not been a Christian country for many years to be honest. We are a nation of multi faiths and cultures and I love that.
Also add to that if we truly want to celebrate religious times like this then do it true to our ancestral roots.
Easter is a pagan festival celebrating the spring equinox, whilst religious culture celebrates the resurrection.
Early Christianity made a pragmatic acceptance of ancient pagan practises, most of which we enjoy today at Easter.
Also the The general symbolic story of the death of the son (sun) on a cross (the constellation of the Southern Cross) and his rebirth, overcoming the powers of darkness, was a well worn story in the ancient world. There were plenty of parallel, rival resurrected saviours too.
Sumerian, Egyptian, Persian are among ancient civilizations that have a version of the Easter Story.
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This is still a Christian nation, our Queen is a Christian, whom made vows to both the English and Scottish Christians to defend their faith, our Prime minister is a Christian, the last census revealed that secularismn is a minority compared to Christianity...
Christianity is enshrined in our laws, our common laws stem from such
today...
You may think from your godless armchair that Christianity is dead, seeing the church of england decline, but other branches of Christianity are thriving,
particulry those that are of a Born again nature... |
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People have the right to make their own choices so long as its not something illegal.
If they wish to exercise those choices they should be free to do so.... |
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"To be honest no don't think we should.
We are not and have not been a Christian country for many years to be honest. We are a nation of multi faiths and cultures and I love that.
Also add to that if we truly want to celebrate religious times like this then do it true to our ancestral roots.
Easter is a pagan festival celebrating the spring equinox, whilst religious culture celebrates the resurrection.
Early Christianity made a pragmatic acceptance of ancient pagan practises, most of which we enjoy today at Easter.
Also the The general symbolic story of the death of the son (sun) on a cross (the constellation of the Southern Cross) and his rebirth, overcoming the powers of darkness, was a well worn story in the ancient world. There were plenty of parallel, rival resurrected saviours too.
Sumerian, Egyptian, Persian are among ancient civilizations that have a version of the Easter Story.
This is still a Christian nation, our Queen is a Christian, whom made vows to both the English and Scottish Christians to defend their faith, our Prime minister is a Christian, the last census revealed that secularismn is a minority compared to Christianity...
Christianity is enshrined in our laws, our common laws stem from such
today...
You may think from your godless armchair that Christianity is dead, seeing the church of england decline, but other branches of Christianity are thriving, particulry those that are of a Born again nature..."
First of all you suggest that I am in a godless armchair that is very arrogant of you as you assume I have not belief system.
Yes there is a growth in born again churches but also in traditional pagan faiths as well.
The common thing that binds all of humankind is the need to have something to believe in.
I would also suggest just because someone classes themselves a Christian look at their lifestyle choices and their actions and you will see alot of them are Christian by default as they felt that they needed to put something down.
I.e our beloved (not) prime minister her actions do not follow the so-called organised religion she follows.
Also if you look at research a high percentage of christians on the last census are non practicing and automatically put themselves down as Christian as it was expected of them du le to the social restraints of narrow minded people within society.
Also at no point did I say the Christian faith was in decline. I said that we are a multi faith nation now and as such that should be celebrated. |
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you said...
" We are not and have not been a Christian country for many years"..
First part of your statement is false based on armchair experience, the latter part were you state... Have not been a Christian nation for years suggests that Christianity is in decline... |
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"you said...
" We are not and have not been a Christian country for many years"..
First part of your statement is false based on armchair experience, the latter part were you state... Have not been a Christian nation for years suggests that Christianity is in decline... "
No that is how you decided to read it. We have been a multi faith society for years and as such nolonger just a Christian society.
Also you assume it's based on armchair experience. You do not know me nor where my thought patterns stem from.
I believe that any group of people that wish to follow an organised religion have the right to do so in their own way. I don't feel that we should have religion forced upon us.
The original post said should we make a big thing of it being Easter.
As a nation no we should not. As individuals your welcome to. |
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The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty? |
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"Countries like Poland and Spain still have very active Catholic communities, in a way we don't here. People here may identify as Christians while rarely stepping foot in a church. It is different for practicing Catholics they will go to mass regularly and hold their fiestas and celebrations where entire towns will get involved. Catholicism has never been big in my area (north east Scotland) but my town has a Catholic church. It was dying on its arse until Polish people started coming to the town. Now that church is thriving again. "
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?"
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of.. |
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Prior to the Christians, Easter was the festival of sex and fertility in the Assyrian and Babylonian worlds.
The goddess of fertility was Oeshter (or something like that), which is where Easter gets its name.
Bunny rabbits and eggs are all about fertility and nothing to do with the Jesus Christ narrative.
I think it was about the 4th century that the Emperor Constantine decided to christianise his empire and rebranded the event about death and misery.
Most Christian festivals have been stolen from some other culture and rebranded.
Do I think countries in the west should do more to celebrate?
Why?
Religion is a personal thing.
If you want to celebrate an occasion you consider religious, carry on. If you don't, don't.
I prefer to celebrate sex and fertility rather than crucifixion (though I don't mind a bit of that without true nails )
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of.."
You may be right that new churches are on an increase but not Christianity.
UK Church membership has declined from 10.6 million in 1930 to 5.5 Million in 2010, or as a percentage of the population; from about 30% to 11.2%.
By 2013, this had declined further to 5.4 million (10.3%). If current trends continue, membership will fall to 8.4% of the population by 2025.2
In England, membership is forecast to decline to 2.53 million (4.3% of the population) by 2025.
Over the period 2005-2010, the major Christian denominations such as Anglican, Catholic and Presbyterian all saw falls in membership. Orthodox, Pentecostal and other new churches (Evangelical and Charismatic) on the other hand, saw an increase in membership.
Church membership is declining in all four constituent countries of the UK, but in England the decline is relatively small, whereas the biggest decline appears to be in Scotland.
A poll by You Gov in December 2016 produced the following results for persons asked if they believe in God or a higher spiritual power:
I believe in either God or a higher spiritual power
28%
I do not believe in either God or a higher spiritual power
38%
I believe in some kind of spiritual power only
20%
I am unsure of my belief regarding either of these
14%
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of.."
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain. |
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of..
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain. "
A church means an assembly, that could be a house, a field, a hall or anywere a group wether it be great or small of believers gather...
Your concepts of modern christianity are are based on ignorance
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of..
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain.
A church means an assembly, that could be a house, a field, a hall or anywere a group wether it be great or small of believers gather...
Your concepts of modern christianity are are based on ignorance
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-christian-more-non-religious-faith-agnostic-atheism-report-a7737856.html
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of..
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain.
A church means an assembly, that could be a house, a field, a hall or anywere a group wether it be great or small of believers gather...
Your concepts of modern christianity are are based on ignorance
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-christian-more-non-religious-faith-agnostic-atheism-report-a7737856.html
So as my views are based on ignorance feel free to discredit that research too"
Scraping the bowels of the internet for surveys to suit your ends proves nothing, go out into the real world and find out for yourself concerning the section of Christianity that is alive, vibrant and growing in the UK... |
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of..
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain.
A church means an assembly, that could be a house, a field, a hall or anywere a group wether it be great or small of believers gather...
Your concepts of modern christianity are are based on ignorance
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-christian-more-non-religious-faith-agnostic-atheism-report-a7737856.html
So as my views are based on ignorance feel free to discredit that research too
Scraping the bowels of the internet for surveys to suit your ends proves nothing, go out into the real world and find out for yourself concerning the section of Christianity that is alive, vibrant and growing in the UK..."
Ok.going out in the real world. My job means I am in contact with churches all over my area.
What is happening is a shift of Christian worship. The traditional churches are losing people. These Christians are going to the more vibrant churches.
What is not happening is an increase of people coming into the Christian faith
As stated earlier UK Church membership has declined from 10.6 million in 1930 to 5.5 Million in 2010, or as a percentage of the population; from about 30% to 11.2%.
By 2013, this had declined further to 5.4 million (10.3%). If current trends continue, membership will fall to 8.4% of the population by 2025. |
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The Born again movement does not come from the older churches memberships, they are mostly people whom have had little contact with christianity, many have had dramatic spiritual experiences that caused them to change their lives......
If your job led you into contact with churches you would of known this...
For instance one group I know consists solely of Junkies whom went cold turkey and now live usefull lives serving others still entrapped in drugs... |
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"The Born again movement does not come from the older churches memberships, they are mostly people whom have had little contact with christianity, many have had dramatic spiritual experiences that caused them to change their lives......
If your job led you into contact with churches you would of known this...
For instance one group I know consists solely of Junkies whom went cold turkey and now live usefull lives serving others still entrapped in drugs... "
A really nice Christian wording there with junkies. and I have been a member of a born again church in the past so I know more than you think
And well done avoiding actual facts and figures given to you on this site. It's amazing how well your able to do that. |
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of..
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain.
A church means an assembly, that could be a house, a field, a hall or anywere a group wether it be great or small of believers gather...
Your concepts of modern christianity are are based on ignorance
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-christian-more-non-religious-faith-agnostic-atheism-report-a7737856.html
So as my views are based on ignorance feel free to discredit that research too
Scraping the bowels of the internet for surveys to suit your ends proves nothing, go out into the real world and find out for yourself concerning the section of Christianity that is alive, vibrant and growing in the UK..."
Okay what about this one
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/church-of-england-attendance-falls-below-million-first-time
You seem very quick to condemn other people's as wrong but offer no evidence for your own. |
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of..
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain.
A church means an assembly, that could be a house, a field, a hall or anywere a group wether it be great or small of believers gather...
Your concepts of modern christianity are are based on ignorance
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-christian-more-non-religious-faith-agnostic-atheism-report-a7737856.html
So as my views are based on ignorance feel free to discredit that research too
Scraping the bowels of the internet for surveys to suit your ends proves nothing, go out into the real world and find out for yourself concerning the section of Christianity that is alive, vibrant and growing in the UK...
Okay what about this one
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/church-of-england-attendance-falls-below-million-first-time
You seem very quick to condemn other people's as wrong but offer no evidence for your own. "
We have already stated Church of england is in decline, I am talking about the vibrant, ever growing Born again movement..
As said get out into the real world and visit some of the many born again meetings in your city, then you will see for yourself... |
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of..
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain.
A church means an assembly, that could be a house, a field, a hall or anywere a group wether it be great or small of believers gather...
Your concepts of modern christianity are are based on ignorance
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-christian-more-non-religious-faith-agnostic-atheism-report-a7737856.html
So as my views are based on ignorance feel free to discredit that research too
Scraping the bowels of the internet for surveys to suit your ends proves nothing, go out into the real world and find out for yourself concerning the section of Christianity that is alive, vibrant and growing in the UK...
Okay what about this one
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/church-of-england-attendance-falls-below-million-first-time
You seem very quick to condemn other people's as wrong but offer no evidence for your own.
We have already stated Church of england is in decline, I am talking about the vibrant, ever growing Born again movement..
As said get out into the real world and visit some of the many born again meetings in your city, then you will see for yourself..."
For the third time
As stated earlier UK Church membership has declined from 10.6 million in 1930 to 5.5 Million in 2010, or as a percentage of the population; from about 30% to 11.2%.
By 2013, this had declined further to 5.4 million (10.3%). If current trends continue, membership will fall to 8.4% of the population by 2025.
This shows that there is a decline in christianity. It does not mean there are not vibrant chirches.
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of..
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain.
A church means an assembly, that could be a house, a field, a hall or anywere a group wether it be great or small of believers gather...
Your concepts of modern christianity are are based on ignorance
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-christian-more-non-religious-faith-agnostic-atheism-report-a7737856.html
So as my views are based on ignorance feel free to discredit that research too
Scraping the bowels of the internet for surveys to suit your ends proves nothing, go out into the real world and find out for yourself concerning the section of Christianity that is alive, vibrant and growing in the UK...
Okay what about this one
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/church-of-england-attendance-falls-below-million-first-time
You seem very quick to condemn other people's as wrong but offer no evidence for your own.
We have already stated Church of england is in decline, I am talking about the vibrant, ever growing Born again movement..
As said get out into the real world and visit some of the many born again meetings in your city, then you will see for yourself..."
Born again churches may well be growing but not by as much as the traditional churches are declining, hence there is a net reduction in Christians.
That's what all the surveys show. |
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"i think we should celebrate not celebrating jesus
Good lord where’ve you been, or have I had my eyes shut when posting? "
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of..
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain.
A church means an assembly, that could be a house, a field, a hall or anywere a group wether it be great or small of believers gather...
Your concepts of modern christianity are are based on ignorance
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-christian-more-non-religious-faith-agnostic-atheism-report-a7737856.html
So as my views are based on ignorance feel free to discredit that research too
Scraping the bowels of the internet for surveys to suit your ends proves nothing, go out into the real world and find out for yourself concerning the section of Christianity that is alive, vibrant and growing in the UK...
Okay what about this one
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/church-of-england-attendance-falls-below-million-first-time
You seem very quick to condemn other people's as wrong but offer no evidence for your own.
We have already stated Church of england is in decline, I am talking about the vibrant, ever growing Born again movement..
As said get out into the real world and visit some of the many born again meetings in your city, then you will see for yourself...
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As stated earlier UK Church membership has declined from 10.6 million in 1930 to 5.5 Million in 2010, or as a percentage of the population; from about 30% to 11.2%.
By 2013, this had declined further to 5.4 million (10.3%). If current trends continue, membership will fall to 8.4% of the population by 2025.
This shows that there is a decline in christianity. It does not mean there are not vibrant chirches.
Also originally the statement was we are a multi faith society so one faith should not get special treatment over another. "
Just because your not a church member does not mean there is a decline in believing in Christianity. |
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of..
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain.
A church means an assembly, that could be a house, a field, a hall or anywere a group wether it be great or small of believers gather...
Your concepts of modern christianity are are based on ignorance
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-christian-more-non-religious-faith-agnostic-atheism-report-a7737856.html
So as my views are based on ignorance feel free to discredit that research too
Scraping the bowels of the internet for surveys to suit your ends proves nothing, go out into the real world and find out for yourself concerning the section of Christianity that is alive, vibrant and growing in the UK...
Okay what about this one
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/church-of-england-attendance-falls-below-million-first-time
You seem very quick to condemn other people's as wrong but offer no evidence for your own.
We have already stated Church of england is in decline, I am talking about the vibrant, ever growing Born again movement..
As said get out into the real world and visit some of the many born again meetings in your city, then you will see for yourself...
For the third time
As stated earlier UK Church membership has declined from 10.6 million in 1930 to 5.5 Million in 2010, or as a percentage of the population; from about 30% to 11.2%.
By 2013, this had declined further to 5.4 million (10.3%). If current trends continue, membership will fall to 8.4% of the population by 2025.
This shows that there is a decline in christianity. It does not mean there are not vibrant chirches.
Also originally the statement was we are a multi faith society so one faith should not get special treatment over another.
Just because your not a church member does not mean there is a decline in believing in Christianity."
As stated earlier UK Church membership has declined from 10.6 million in 1930 to 5.5 Million in 2010, or as a percentage of the population; from about 30% to 11.2%.
By 2013, this had declined further to 5.4 million (10.3%). If current trends continue, membership will fall to 8.4% of the population by 2025.
This.goes to prove the point there is a decline
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"The vast majority of this country celebrate easter by eating eggs and give no thought to religion. Don't get me started on the celebration of consumerism that is Christmas where there is just as little thought of religion.
That's what we have turned Christianity in to. That's how people choose to celebrate. Most christians in Britain don't give a toss about their claimed religion other than when they tick a box in the census every 10 years or need to face their own mortality. Why else are churches near empty?
The only churches in decline are the likes of the church of england, the Born again movement is a growing vibrant community as are the other back to the Bible communities..
It is those that make up the vast bulk of christians today, it will be them in the census you speak of..
59.5% claimed to be Christian in the last census. There is nowhere close to 39million regular church goers in Britain.
A church means an assembly, that could be a house, a field, a hall or anywere a group wether it be great or small of believers gather...
Your concepts of modern christianity are are based on ignorance
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-christian-more-non-religious-faith-agnostic-atheism-report-a7737856.html
So as my views are based on ignorance feel free to discredit that research too
Scraping the bowels of the internet for surveys to suit your ends proves nothing, go out into the real world and find out for yourself concerning the section of Christianity that is alive, vibrant and growing in the UK...
Okay what about this one
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/church-of-england-attendance-falls-below-million-first-time
You seem very quick to condemn other people's as wrong but offer no evidence for your own.
We have already stated Church of england is in decline, I am talking about the vibrant, ever growing Born again movement..
As said get out into the real world and visit some of the many born again meetings in your city, then you will see for yourself...
For the third time
As stated earlier UK Church membership has declined from 10.6 million in 1930 to 5.5 Million in 2010, or as a percentage of the population; from about 30% to 11.2%.
By 2013, this had declined further to 5.4 million (10.3%). If current trends continue, membership will fall to 8.4% of the population by 2025.
This shows that there is a decline in christianity. It does not mean there are not vibrant chirches.
Also originally the statement was we are a multi faith society so one faith should not get special treatment over another.
Just because your not a church member does not mean there is a decline in believing in Christianity.
As stated earlier UK Church membership has declined from 10.6 million in 1930 to 5.5 Million in 2010, or as a percentage of the population; from about 30% to 11.2%.
By 2013, this had declined further to 5.4 million (10.3%). If current trends continue, membership will fall to 8.4% of the population by 2025.
This.goes to prove the point there is a decline
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"Science uses controlled experiments with observed results to establish the laws and rules of the universe. Scientists acknowledge the difference between theory and what is currently observed. When results do not support the theory, it is abandoned or adapted accordingly.
Religion is blind faith in the existence of something with no evidence to support the belief. Religion does not adapt. There are no controlled experiments to support any belief system, and no quantifiable results."
What he said
I had this exact same argument with Mrs Datenite last week. She still loves me though and isn't going to burn me on a stake for heresy.
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Yes but there has been a decline for several years of active Christianity. Why is it so hard to accept that we are now multi faith county and no longer a Christian based country |
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"Yes but there has been a decline for several years of active Christianity. Why is it so hard to accept that we are now multi faith county and no longer a Christian based country "
What your faith ? |
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"religion is the root cause of all wars and should banned.
I await all verbal abuse"
I think the addition of greed and wealth with organised religion has been a factor in wars.
If you read a book on the cause of war and other historic writings war started with the introduction of farming because that's when man started mass settling on land and had something to fight for. |
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"Yes but there has been a decline for several years of active Christianity. Why is it so hard to accept that we are now multi faith county and no longer a Christian based country
What your faith ?"
Why is that relevant to this conversation ? |
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"religion is the root cause of all wars and should banned.
I await all verbal abuse
I think the addition of greed and wealth with organised religion has been a factor in wars.
If you read a book on the cause of war and other historic writings war started with the introduction of farming because that's when man started mass settling on land and had something to fight for. "
yip and now they fight in the name of relgion |
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"religion is the root cause of all wars and should banned.
I await all verbal abuse
I think the addition of greed and wealth with organised religion has been a factor in wars.
If you read a book on the cause of war and other historic writings war started with the introduction of farming because that's when man started mass settling on land and had something to fight for.
yip and now they fight in the name of relgion"
But does that mean the religion is at fault or is it extremists using it as an excuse to get what they want ? |
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"Yes but there has been a decline for several years of active Christianity. Why is it so hard to accept that we are now multi faith county and no longer a Christian based country "
Derby has a very active Born again community that is thriving, its very active in all aspects, in the Jails, the homeless, soupruns, canteens, open air preaching and its ever growing... |
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"Yes but there has been a decline for several years of active Christianity. Why is it so hard to accept that we are now multi faith county and no longer a Christian based country
Derby has a very active Born again community that is thriving, its very active in all aspects, in the Jails, the homeless, soupruns, canteens, open air preaching and its ever growing..."
And there is just as many non christian groups doing the same good work. In fact there are.more non christian other faiths doing the work than Christian. |
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"Yes but there has been a decline for several years of active Christianity. Why is it so hard to accept that we are now multi faith county and no longer a Christian based country
Derby has a very active Born again community that is thriving, its very active in all aspects, in the Jails, the homeless, soupruns, canteens, open air preaching and its ever growing..."
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"religion is the root cause of all wars and should banned.
I await all verbal abuse
I think the addition of greed and wealth with organised religion has been a factor in wars.
If you read a book on the cause of war and other historic writings war started with the introduction of farming because that's when man started mass settling on land and had something to fight for.
yip and now they fight in the name of relgion
But does that mean the religion is at fault or is it extremists using it as an excuse to get what they want ?"
extremist use religion so you could blame both but people have been fighting in the the name of religion for centuries |
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Nope. In all honesty I don't think religious events should be a national thing...we're so diverse now in the way of religion. People should be able to celebrate the special dates in line with their religion or carry on as normal.
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"religion is the root cause of all wars and should banned.
I await all verbal abuse
I think the addition of greed and wealth with organised religion has been a factor in wars.
If you read a book on the cause of war and other historic writings war started with the introduction of farming because that's when man started mass settling on land and had something to fight for.
yip and now they fight in the name of relgion
But does that mean the religion is at fault or is it extremists using it as an excuse to get what they want ?
extremist use religion so you could blame both but people have been fighting in the the name of religion for centuries"
But that does mean organised religion is to blame. All walks of life have extremists that have a negative effect on society and mankind |
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"Nope. In all honesty I don't think religious events should be a national thing...we're so diverse now in the way of religion. People should be able to celebrate the special dates in line with their religion or carry on as normal.
Religious holidays shouldn't be public holidays imo. "
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"i think we should celebrate not celebrating jesus
Good lord where’ve you been, or have I had my eyes shut when posting?
NO,,,IM BORN AGAIN Praise the lord,,pout,pout,pout"
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"Yes but there has been a decline for several years of active Christianity. Why is it so hard to accept that we are now multi faith county and no longer a Christian based country
Derby has a very active Born again community that is thriving, its very active in all aspects, in the Jails, the homeless, soupruns, canteens, open air preaching and its ever growing...
And there is just as many non christian groups doing the same good work. In fact there are.more non christian other faiths doing the work than Christian."
You were never a Born again Christian...nor do you know the extant of the behind the scenes Christian volunteers that humbly that alleviate the manifold plights of the people of derby... |
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"Yes but there has been a decline for several years of active Christianity. Why is it so hard to accept that we are now multi faith county and no longer a Christian based country
Derby has a very active Born again community that is thriving, its very active in all aspects, in the Jails, the homeless, soupruns, canteens, open air preaching and its ever growing...
And there is just as many non christian groups doing the same good work. In fact there are.more non christian other faiths doing the work than Christian.
You were never a Born again Christian...nor do you know the extant of the behind the scenes Christian volunteers that humbly that alleviate the manifold plights of the people of derby..."
And there is the arrogance that moved me away from the church. I ran a homeless charity for years as well as a social enterprise tackling social exclusion.
I have worked in the charity sector for over 20 years. I attend regular meetings of organisations and groups that work with the vulnerable around derby and the east Midlands.
You keep saying get out and see in the real world. I do that every day. How dare you assume that you are talking to someone that does not understand what they are talking about.
If you really want to go there and you are such a born again Christian why are you living a lifestyle that goes against your own belief system ? |
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Never said I was a Born again Christian , I admire them and the work they do for society behind the scenes...
If you was what you claimed to be, suffice it to say you would of known me.... |
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"Never said I was a Born again Christian , I admire them and the work they do for society behind the scenes...
If you was what you claimed to be, suffice it to say you would of known me...."
I am what I claim tobe and in the long run I have never said they don't do good work i said there was just as many non christian organisations do good.work in derby as well. |
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"Never said I was a Born again Christian , I admire them and the work they do for society behind the scenes...
If you was what you claimed to be, suffice it to say you would of known me...."
I would also thank you for calling me a liar. You know nothing of who I am and what I have done in life.
And basing that on not knowing you just shows what an over inflated ego you have. |
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"Never said I was a Born again Christian , I admire them and the work they do for society behind the scenes...
If you was what you claimed to be, suffice it to say you would of known me....
I am what I claim tobe and in the long run I have never said they don't do good work i said there was just as many non christian organisations do good.work in derby as well."
As said if you was what you claimed to be, you would of known me...If you were active in what you claim, I would of known you..
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"Never said I was a Born again Christian , I admire them and the work they do for society behind the scenes...
If you was what you claimed to be, suffice it to say you would of known me....
I am what I claim tobe and in the long run I have never said they don't do good work i said there was just as many non christian organisations do good.work in derby as well.
As said if you was what you claimed to be, you would of known me...If you were active in what you claim, I would of known you..
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"Seeking to undermine the Christians is never a good thing my friend..."
In not undermining anyone in stating facts and figures and stated we are a multi faith country now.
Also.dont call me friend.
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"Yes but there has been a decline for several years of active Christianity. Why is it so hard to accept that we are now multi faith county and no longer a Christian based country
Derby has a very active Born again community that is thriving, its very active in all aspects, in the Jails, the homeless, soupruns, canteens, open air preaching and its ever growing...
Without wisging to be overly cynical, you could almost think that the born again churches are preying on the vulnerable?"
Our local born again christians help drug addicts to recover. While in the recovery centre they are allowed no tv, magazines or books. But must do bible study every day. They are isolated from everyone except the church. The ones that stay off the drink and drugs usually stay with the church and are peddled round other churches telling their story, 'giving their testimony'. If they leave the church, support is gone. Often seems to me like swapping one form of addiction for another. So brainwashing the vulnerable? Or all good if it gets them out of addiction? That's a tricky debate... |
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"According to the last census, the majority religion in the UK is Jedi - not sure if they do Easter Eggs?
If only you could believe everything you read. According to the 2011 census:
1. Christianity
2. Islam
3. Hinduism
4. Sikhism
5. Judaism
6. Buddhism
People listing ‘Jedi’ were the seventh largest single grouping. It is not recognised as a religion."
If I have a cock and can identify as a woman, I don't see why I can't identify as a Jedi.. |
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"According to the last census, the majority religion in the UK is Jedi - not sure if they do Easter Eggs?
If only you could believe everything you read. According to the 2011 census:
1. Christianity
2. Islam
3. Hinduism
4. Sikhism
5. Judaism
6. Buddhism
People listing ‘Jedi’ were the seventh largest single grouping. It is not recognised as a religion.
If I have a cock and can identify as a woman, I don't see why I can't identify as a Jedi.."
fuck what people say...if you wanna be a Jedi, you be a Jedi! |
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"According to the last census, the majority religion in the UK is Jedi - not sure if they do Easter Eggs?
If only you could believe everything you read. According to the 2011 census:
1. Christianity
2. Islam
3. Hinduism
4. Sikhism
5. Judaism
6. Buddhism
People listing ‘Jedi’ were the seventh largest single grouping. It is not recognised as a religion.
If I have a cock and can identify as a woman, I don't see why I can't identify as a Jedi..
fuck what people say...if you wanna be a Jedi, you be a Jedi! "
You already have the idea religious day
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"Yes but there has been a decline for several years of active Christianity. Why is it so hard to accept that we are now multi faith county and no longer a Christian based country
Derby has a very active Born again community that is thriving, its very active in all aspects, in the Jails, the homeless, soupruns, canteens, open air preaching and its ever growing...
Without wisging to be overly cynical, you could almost think that the born again churches are preying on the vulnerable?
Our local born again christians help drug addicts to recover. While in the recovery centre they are allowed no tv, magazines or books. But must do bible study every day. They are isolated from everyone except the church. The ones that stay off the drink and drugs usually stay with the church and are peddled round other churches telling their story, 'giving their testimony'. If they leave the church, support is gone. Often seems to me like swapping one form of addiction for another. So brainwashing the vulnerable? Or all good if it gets them out of addiction? That's a tricky debate..."
Thats interesting, we was camped near Aberdeen for many years, actually at the old public tip back of torry...I worked in the Elim pentecostal homeless shelter, also had close connection to a Christian drug based centre in Union street, the picture you depict certainly was not the case in my days in Aberdeen... |
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"Yes but there has been a decline for several years of active Christianity. Why is it so hard to accept that we are now multi faith county and no longer a Christian based country
Derby has a very active Born again community that is thriving, its very active in all aspects, in the Jails, the homeless, soupruns, canteens, open air preaching and its ever growing...
Without wisging to be overly cynical, you could almost think that the born again churches are preying on the vulnerable?
Our local born again christians help drug addicts to recover. While in the recovery centre they are allowed no tv, magazines or books. But must do bible study every day. They are isolated from everyone except the church. The ones that stay off the drink and drugs usually stay with the church and are peddled round other churches telling their story, 'giving their testimony'. If they leave the church, support is gone. Often seems to me like swapping one form of addiction for another. So brainwashing the vulnerable? Or all good if it gets them out of addiction? That's a tricky debate...
Thats interesting, we was camped near Aberdeen for many years, actually at the old public tip back of torry...I worked in the Elim pentecostal homeless shelter, also had close connection to a Christian drug based centre in Union street, the picture you depict certainly was not the case in my days in Aberdeen..."
I have a few friends that attended the rehab facility, drugs hit my town hard, so basing this on what they told me. Also having worked in recovery services locally |
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Aye, the heroin hit the north east of Scotland hard...
When they go to centre wether Christian based or secular, theres got to be hard rules, but in my day the homeless and the heroin users were treated good and christianity was not enforced apon them...
Those that became Christians were not peddled out to other churches to bear their testimonies, they became excited in their new found faith and wanted the whole world to know it...
Those that backslid back into drugs were sought after, but it was not easy to get them to give up the gear a second time, though some did... |
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Each to their own... respect everyone’s belief... whether they believe in religion or don’t believe.. leave each other too it! It’s when you start saying the other is wrong then it just starts a problem |
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