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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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We were having at work yesterday, should a gay couple be allowed to marry in a roman catholic church? I happen to think they should but a few of the lads didnt agree. |
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"We were having at work yesterday, should a gay couple be allowed to marry in a roman catholic church? I happen to think they should but a few of the lads didnt agree."
I am no expert in religion.. but if gay couples wanted to get married in a church they would have to be Christian Right...? Otherwise I wouldn't see the point... If they are Christian then surely it's against their beliefs..
A couple regardless of who they are should have the same rights as anyone else.. I agree.. but i doubt any priest or vicar would read the service as it goes against their beliefs...? So you can force the church folk to be there and accommodate them. |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
Personally I'd not want to embrace a faith that excluded me by default so I wouldn't want to get married somewhere that did so, but then I don't have a religious bone in my body - but if I did I'd expect my faith of choice to welcome me regardless of my sexuality  |
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"But how many vicars drink? Bet nearly all of them"
I think they are allowed to drink wine..? Are they not.?
My point isn't what gay people should have the right to do or not to do.. if a priest or vicar refuses to do the service then no one can make them..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"We were having at work yesterday, should a gay couple be allowed to marry in a roman catholic church? I happen to think they should but a few of the lads didnt agree.
I am no expert in religion.. but if gay couples wanted to get married in a church they would have to be Christian Right...? Otherwise I wouldn't see the point... If they are Christian then surely it's against their beliefs..
A couple regardless of who they are should have the same rights as anyone else.. I agree.. but i doubt any priest or vicar would read the service as it goes against their beliefs...? So you can force the church folk to be there and accommodate them. "
Wholeheartedly agree on the religious point, no problems on marriage point.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I see both sides to this. To me yes they should be able too, but on the other hand why would anyone want to be part of an institution that doesn’t agree with who they are. Should we force people to go against their beliefs because we don’t agree with them even though they aren’t actually harming anyone. Yes it’s not nice to not to be able to get what you would like but it’s not actually damaging. I tend to think we are now getting to a point where everyone has to accept everyone else but also accept what they want as well and theycan’t have opinions that don’t match up. I think this is across the board we are currently seeing men being vilified as predators. It seems to me that no longer do we allow people to live how they want and have their own beliefs we have to force others to bend as well. Tolerance is key for Me not forcing. -skittles |
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"We were having at work yesterday, should a gay couple be allowed to marry in a roman catholic church? I happen to think they should but a few of the lads didnt agree."
It's a made up religion so why not? |
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It's one of them situations... you shouldn't stop anyone and you can't force anyone to accept it..
If a gay couple see them selves as Christian then they should have the right to get married any where they like.. problem is that you can't force a priest to accept it and do the service.. unless you hire a fake one lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think if the priest is ok with a gay couple married in his church then it’s no problem. But if he’s against it then no
People shouldn’t be made to go against their beliefs. That’s why I think the government should stay out of this argument |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to 
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy. "
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality? |
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Personally I think if two Martians want to get married in a Catholic church then they should be able to.
I have no use for religion myself but no problem with people who do. Beats me how they can claim to sanctify love but only on their terms though. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality? "
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do? |
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Don't know about RC, but if the anglican church excluded all the gay and trans, then there wouldn't be enough clergy left never mind choir and congregation. And i say that as a practising publicly trans anglican. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We were having at work yesterday, should a gay couple be allowed to marry in a roman catholic church? I happen to think they should but a few of the lads didnt agree.
I am no expert in religion.. but if gay couples wanted to get married in a church they would have to be Christian Right...? Otherwise I wouldn't see the point... If they are Christian then surely it's against their beliefs..
A couple regardless of who they are should have the same rights as anyone else.. I agree.. but i doubt any priest or vicar would read the service as it goes against their beliefs...? So you can force the church folk to be there and accommodate them. "
Not if they don't allow the Church to dictate their beliefs. They only have to believe in God, in my opinion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?"
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?"
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy" |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation."
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy""
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact."
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house? |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names."
?? I didn't mention anything about the two differences.. you asked why would they want to get married in a church and I said baceause they see them selves as Christian's |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?"
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation."
Got it in one. If you're going to follow the bible, then follow it. Don't decide which bits are 'relevant today' or write your own you might find that God doesn't agree with you... |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
?? I didn't mention anything about the two differences.. you asked why would they want to get married in a church and I said baceause they see them selves as Christian's "
The op states that they want to marry in a Catholic church. So they are not Christian, they are Catholic. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he. "
Apparently. It's funny how he's omnipotent but contradictory. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?"
Why did he destroy Sodom and Gomorrah again? |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he.
Apparently. It's funny how he's omnipotent but contradictory. "
Omnipotent just means limitless power. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Why did he destroy Sodom and Gomorrah again? "
Because he didn't like sodomites. Why did he send his only son to wash away all our sin but let us keep on being gay?
You'll never win with god, the heavenly goalposts keep moving. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he.
Apparently. It's funny how he's omnipotent but contradictory.
Omnipotent just means limitless power. "
Gotcha, we're not talking about the nice god who loves everyone. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Why did he destroy Sodom and Gomorrah again?
Because he didn't like sodomites. Why did he send his only son to wash away all our sin but let us keep on being gay?
You'll never win with god, the heavenly goalposts keep moving."
Indeed he did. But you have to claim the crucifixion to cleanse your sin. It's like an insurance policy. You have to take it out before you die. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he.
Apparently. It's funny how he's omnipotent but contradictory.
Omnipotent just means limitless power.
Gotcha, we're not talking about the nice god who loves everyone. "
God is the judge, Jesus is your defence lawyer. But you have to employ him. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he.
Apparently. It's funny how he's omnipotent but contradictory.
Omnipotent just means limitless power.
Gotcha, we're not talking about the nice god who loves everyone.
God is the judge, Jesus is your defence lawyer. But you have to employ him. "
Are you trying to take over where Billy Graham left off? I'm a lost cause. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
?? I didn't mention anything about the two differences.. you asked why would they want to get married in a church and I said baceause they see them selves as Christian's
The op states that they want to marry in a Catholic church. So they are not Christian, they are Catholic. "
Catholics are supposed to be Christians. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
?? I didn't mention anything about the two differences.. you asked why would they want to get married in a church and I said baceause they see them selves as Christian's
The op states that they want to marry in a Catholic church. So they are not Christian, they are Catholic.
Catholics are supposed to be Christians. "
They've been lied to. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he.
Apparently. It's funny how he's omnipotent but contradictory.
Omnipotent just means limitless power.
Gotcha, we're not talking about the nice god who loves everyone.
God is the judge, Jesus is your defence lawyer. But you have to employ him.
Are you trying to take over where Billy Graham left off? I'm a lost cause."
I'm just giving you no excuse. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he.
Apparently. It's funny how he's omnipotent but contradictory.
Omnipotent just means limitless power.
Gotcha, we're not talking about the nice god who loves everyone.
God is the judge, Jesus is your defence lawyer. But you have to employ him.
Are you trying to take over where Billy Graham left off? I'm a lost cause.
I'm just giving you no excuse. "
For what? |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he.
Apparently. It's funny how he's omnipotent but contradictory.
Omnipotent just means limitless power.
Gotcha, we're not talking about the nice god who loves everyone.
God is the judge, Jesus is your defence lawyer. But you have to employ him.
Are you trying to take over where Billy Graham left off? I'm a lost cause.
I'm just giving you no excuse.
For what?"
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he.
Apparently. It's funny how he's omnipotent but contradictory.
Omnipotent just means limitless power.
Gotcha, we're not talking about the nice god who loves everyone.
God is the judge, Jesus is your defence lawyer. But you have to employ him.
Are you trying to take over where Billy Graham left off? I'm a lost cause.
I'm just giving you no excuse.
For what?
When you tell God "but i didn't know!" He'll say "Clem told you"."
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he.
Apparently. It's funny how he's omnipotent but contradictory.
Omnipotent just means limitless power.
Gotcha, we're not talking about the nice god who loves everyone.
God is the judge, Jesus is your defence lawyer. But you have to employ him.
Are you trying to take over where Billy Graham left off? I'm a lost cause.
I'm just giving you no excuse.
For what?
When you tell God "but i didn't know!" He'll say "Clem told you".
I've got news for you god ain't going to be listening to anything I say let alone talking to me "
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
?? I didn't mention anything about the two differences.. you asked why would they want to get married in a church and I said baceause they see them selves as Christian's
The op states that they want to marry in a Catholic church. So they are not Christian, they are Catholic.
Catholics are supposed to be Christians.
They've been lied to."
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
?? I didn't mention anything about the two differences.. you asked why would they want to get married in a church and I said baceause they see them selves as Christian's
The op states that they want to marry in a Catholic church. So they are not Christian, they are Catholic. "
Catholics are Christian !!!!!! They believe in Jesus Christ. St Paul was the founder of the Catholic Church. The Church of England and the Church of Scotland and other churches are all Christian. Same basic faith just different ways to practice it.
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When you tell God "but i didn't know!" He'll say "Clem told you".
I've got news for you god ain't going to be listening to anything I say let alone talking to me
When you talk to god it's faith if god talks to you.. you have mental health problems!"
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If it's illegal to discriminate against LGBT in the country in question, the church whatever denomination should be forced to obey the law. When my beloved brother married his partner they had to move state as it was illegal then in Texas. It's now legal, but Texas sadly still isn't a great place to be if you're openly gay. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
?? I didn't mention anything about the two differences.. you asked why would they want to get married in a church and I said baceause they see them selves as Christian's
The op states that they want to marry in a Catholic church. So they are not Christian, they are Catholic.
Catholics are Christian !!!!!! They believe in Jesus Christ. St Paul was the founder of the Catholic Church. The Church of England and the Church of Scotland and other churches are all Christian. Same basic faith just different ways to practice it.
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It's not at all the same basic faith! Where in the bible does it tell you that Mary can forgive your sins if you say "hail mary" 15 times!  Mary was a vessel and no more than that! |
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"He shiuld be more diverse than you or me"
A professional will be able to put their personal beliefs aside to do their job. And shouldn't 'diversity' include their viewpoint also?? |
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As I am not a Catholic, let alone involved in policy decisions of the Catholic belief system. I have no say whatsoever in the decision. But I am pretty sure that Anglican couples can't marry in Catholic churches, not sure what the policy is on same sex couples who have done all the Catholic pre-requisites. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?"
Nah, not ours, just henry viii's. |
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Don't know who founded the Catholic church, they say it was Jesus but the timing seems a bit off to me, plus the Romans bumped him off if it's true so Roman Catholic seems a bit wrong...
But anyhow they wrote their rules, which were a bit different to the Jewish or Muslim rules, but claimed the same God. Henry 8th didnt like the rules so came up with some others, as did many other religions.
But I think to the best of my knowledge all of them reserved the right to refuse admission at the management's discretion.
Don't think anyone has the right to tell them they have to move with the times, don't like the club? Start your own. |
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"He shiuld be more diverse than you or me"
OP on your profile it says you’re well educated. Well educated people don’t presume that people with an education should have the same opinions as you.
As a gay man, if you belong to a religious institution, I feel that you should be given the choice to have your ceremony blessed by the leader of that religion. After all religions teach people to love one another and be good people.
I do not belong to a religion and would consider myself agnostic. I wouldn’t want to get married in a religious building because it goes against everything I stand for as an agnostic.
I have no issues with religion personally and find it enthralling and fascinating how people celebrate the word of god or their relationships with their chosen faith. I feel it’s not about religion but the cultural impact upon faith itself that is the controversy. After all god teaches all to love one another so if gay couples love each other is it so wrong that they can’t be married?? And especially in a building of the faith that they both share? I feel god would say there is no issue but the cultural impact upon that undermines thousands of years of teachings.
Sorry for going on but I find this topic very interesting and well done OP for raising the debate. Peace and love to all. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality? "
New pope is pro gay in Catholicism
Queen Elizabeth pro gay in Curch of England
And Prince Charles has had his coronation oath changed to include protection over everyone with in the United Kingdom and the commonwealth including the gays, Muslims, divorcees etc; everything the Church of England didn’t agree with. So in my opinion we’re moving in the right direction |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?"
It’s never been gods opinions it’s always been mans opinions that have ruled the church.
Homosexuality wasn’t an issue when the Romans and the Greeks were about. They openly embraced it. Wasn’t until the Catholic Church was formed and the council of Nicaea decided upon doctrine did it become an issue, outlawed and men persecuted. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names."
The teachings are similar however the way it is practiced and interpreted are different.
Catholics believe in saints and the word of god should be spoken by a priest in church.
Anglican do not have saints they pray to and it is more open and can me spoken by everyone. |
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"If it's illegal to discriminate against LGBT in the country in question, the church whatever denomination should be forced to obey the law. When my beloved brother married his partner they had to move state as it was illegal then in Texas. It's now legal, but Texas sadly still isn't a great place to be if you're openly gay."
Unfortunately it doesn’t work like that. The history of our country has included religion and law to uphold and support each other and not to over rule or contradict. Although in this case it does, the government couldn’t be seen to be forcing the church’s hand at all. After all we live in a democracy and the freedom of opinions is one of our many luxuries |
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I dont agree with religon in any form as its an arcaeic tool used to control and divide the masses
But that said then if that is their religion then no they shouldnt because it would be against their religious beliefs being as its nearly as big a sin as committing suicide |
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"I see both sides to this. To me yes they should be able too, but on the other hand why would anyone want to be part of an institution that doesn’t agree with who they are. Should we force people to go against their beliefs because we don’t agree with them even though they aren’t actually harming anyone. Yes it’s not nice to not to be able to get what you would like but it’s not actually damaging. I tend to think we are now getting to a point where everyone has to accept everyone else but also accept what they want as well and theycan’t have opinions that don’t match up. I think this is across the board we are currently seeing men being vilified as predators. It seems to me that no longer do we allow people to live how they want and have their own beliefs we have to force others to bend as well. Tolerance is key for Me not forcing. -skittles "
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"We were having at work yesterday, should a gay couple be allowed to marry in a roman catholic church? I happen to think they should but a few of the lads didnt agree."
No. They don't marry gay men....end of story x |
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Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy. "
Exactly my thoughts. And frankly I think the Catholic Church has bigger issues than this. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
The teachings are similar however the way it is practiced and interpreted are different.
Catholics believe in saints and the word of god should be spoken by a priest in church.
Anglican do not have saints they pray to and it is more open and can me spoken by everyone. "
Sorry i was talking about Christians. Not Anglicans, not Catholics. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
The teachings are similar however the way it is practiced and interpreted are different.
Catholics believe in saints and the word of god should be spoken by a priest in church.
Anglican do not have saints they pray to and it is more open and can me spoken by everyone.
Sorry i was talking about Christians. Not Anglicans, not Catholics. "
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
God's opinions change when someone at the top of the religion decides they don't suit them. They call it interpretation.
That's about it. Mind you if god is omnipotent he/she doesn't have opinions only knowledge of fact.
And if god is omnipotent and created everything s/he created gay people. So why aren't his/her staff letting them get married in his/her house?
Because he also said being gay is not allowed. He said a lot over the years didn't he.
Apparently. It's funny how he's omnipotent but contradictory.
Omnipotent just means limitless power.
Gotcha, we're not talking about the nice god who loves everyone.
God is the judge, Jesus is your defence lawyer. But you have to employ him.
Are you trying to take over where Billy Graham left off? I'm a lost cause.
I'm just giving you no excuse.
For what?
When you tell God "but i didn't know!" He'll say "Clem told you"."
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
The teachings are similar however the way it is practiced and interpreted are different.
Catholics believe in saints and the word of god should be spoken by a priest in church.
Anglican do not have saints they pray to and it is more open and can me spoken by everyone.
Sorry i was talking about Christians. Not Anglicans, not Catholics.
Plenty of Christians in the Anglican Church too. "
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
The teachings are similar however the way it is practiced and interpreted are different.
Catholics believe in saints and the word of god should be spoken by a priest in church.
Anglican do not have saints they pray to and it is more open and can me spoken by everyone.
Sorry i was talking about Christians. Not Anglicans, not Catholics.
Plenty of Christians in the Anglican Church too.
So they believe."
Lol as if you'd know! |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
The teachings are similar however the way it is practiced and interpreted are different.
Catholics believe in saints and the word of god should be spoken by a priest in church.
Anglican do not have saints they pray to and it is more open and can me spoken by everyone.
Sorry i was talking about Christians. Not Anglicans, not Catholics.
Plenty of Christians in the Anglican Church too.
So they believe.
Lol as if you'd know! "
Well tell me where in the bible does it say " thou shalt rename pagan festivals to pretend that they're Christian". And the fact is that most Anglicans think that just being good, is enough to get to heaven when the bible specifically tells us otherwise. |
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"They should be able to but I don't know why they would want to
Because they see them selves as christians..
Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy.
I'm sure both of them would not accept it? Or does modern Christianity accept homosexuality?
No such thing as modern Christianity. Do you think God's opinions change just because ours do?
So what did you mean by this "Please don't mix Christianity and Catholicism. Same meat, different gravy"
Because Roman Catholicism has nothing to do with Christianity apart from the characters have the same names.
The teachings are similar however the way it is practiced and interpreted are different.
Catholics believe in saints and the word of god should be spoken by a priest in church.
Anglican do not have saints they pray to and it is more open and can me spoken by everyone.
Sorry i was talking about Christians. Not Anglicans, not Catholics.
Plenty of Christians in the Anglican Church too.
So they believe.
Lol as if you'd know!
Well tell me where in the bible does it say " thou shalt rename pagan festivals to pretend that they're Christian". And the fact is that most Anglicans think that just being good, is enough to get to heaven when the bible specifically tells us otherwise. "
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The doctrine of the Catholic Church is clear. The only valid marriage is between a man and a woman. It is lawful for it to hold that belief. Given that, it would be ludicrous to expect the church to conduct marriages that contradict that belief.
I have voted Labour all my life and intend to continue doing so . If I demanded tomorrow that the Conservative party admit me to membership they would quite rightly tell me where to go. |
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"The doctrine of the Catholic Church is clear. The only valid marriage is between a man and a woman. It is lawful for it to hold that belief. Given that, it would be ludicrous to expect the church to conduct marriages that contradict that belief.
I have voted Labour all my life and intend to continue doing so . If I demanded tomorrow that the Conservative party admit me to membership they would quite rightly tell me where to go. "
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"The doctrine of the Catholic Church is clear. The only valid marriage is between a man and a woman. It is lawful for it to hold that belief. Given that, it would be ludicrous to expect the church to conduct marriages that contradict that belief.
I have voted Labour all my life and intend to continue doing so . If I demanded tomorrow that the Conservative party admit me to membership they would quite rightly tell me where to go.
Oh I'm sure they'd take your money! But if you rocked up and asked if you could just use the Conservative Club to hold your wedding reception they might tell you to piss off! "
I blame post modernise. People now have this bizarre idea that your whole lifestyle can contradict the fundamental beliefs of a religion yet you are somehow still a believer in that religion and are somehow oppressed if the religion won't compromise its doctrine to accommodate you.
Another analogy. If I joined a darts club and insisted that I play snooker and not darts they'd kick me out. |
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"The doctrine of the Catholic Church is clear. The only valid marriage is between a man and a woman. It is lawful for it to hold that belief. Given that, it would be ludicrous to expect the church to conduct marriages that contradict that belief.
I have voted Labour all my life and intend to continue doing so . If I demanded tomorrow that the Conservative party admit me to membership they would quite rightly tell me where to go.
Oh I'm sure they'd take your money! But if you rocked up and asked if you could just use the Conservative Club to hold your wedding reception they might tell you to piss off!
I blame post modernise. People now have this bizarre idea that your whole lifestyle can contradict the fundamental beliefs of a religion yet you are somehow still a believer in that religion and are somehow oppressed if the religion won't compromise its doctrine to accommodate you.
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"The doctrine of the Catholic Church is clear. The only valid marriage is between a man and a woman. It is lawful for it to hold that belief. Given that, it would be ludicrous to expect the church to conduct marriages that contradict that belief.
I have voted Labour all my life and intend to continue doing so . If I demanded tomorrow that the Conservative party admit me to membership they would quite rightly tell me where to go.
Oh I'm sure they'd take your money! But if you rocked up and asked if you could just use the Conservative Club to hold your wedding reception they might tell you to piss off!
I blame post modernise. People now have this bizarre idea that your whole lifestyle can contradict the fundamental beliefs of a religion yet you are somehow still a believer in that religion and are somehow oppressed if the religion won't compromise its doctrine to accommodate you.
I totally agree, it's just petulant self-centred entitlement."
Indeed. If you are Gay and want to get married, there are loads of places you can do that. Why would you want to try and force your marriage on an institution that believes that what you are doing is sinful. |
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