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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I was having a chat with a friend yesterday about swinging clubs and got onto the difference prices they charge and how it must be technically illegal under the gender equality act.

Can you think of anywhwere else where different prices are charged based on your sex or status and if this did happen elsewhere would it be considered as acceptable.

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By *eal_curves_is_backWoman over a year ago

London

Private clubs. Underrepresented categories. Debated ad nauseam.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is more prevalent tham you think.

OAP and student rates are prevalent everywhere.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Private clubs. Underrepresented categories. Debated ad nauseam."

What's your point? If you're bored why post?

People can ask whatever they like within forum rules.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was having a chat with a friend yesterday about swinging clubs and got onto the difference prices they charge and how it must be technically illegal under the gender equality act.

Can you think of anywhwere else where different prices are charged based on your sex or status and if this did happen elsewhere would it be considered as acceptable."

I don't consider it acceptable. It causes many issues.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As has been said.

Private members clubs - basically can charge entry as they please

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s not possible to treat men and women equally in clubs and still have the appropriate ratios for everyone to have a good time. I think men and women have to behave the same in order to be treated the same, and when it comes to sex the 2 genders are so different. If the treatment of men and women in swing clubs were identical there would be far more men attending than women, simply because more men want to attend these establishments. So to equalise the numbers men have to be discouraged and women incentivised. And let’s face it, men go to these clubs to meet women. I’m not sure that there are many other walks of life where the unequal gender interest in something dramatically effects the product.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I was having a chat with a friend yesterday about swinging clubs and got onto the difference prices they charge and how it must be technically illegal under the gender equality act.

Can you think of anywhwere else where different prices are charged based on your sex or status and if this did happen elsewhere would it be considered as acceptable."

Hairdressers for one.

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By *olieandSlaveCouple over a year ago

Stafford

"It is more prevalent tham you think.

OAP and student rates are prevalent everywhere. "

Ooh, I wish clubs did student rates, I love a discount

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It’s not possible to treat men and women equally in clubs and still have the appropriate ratios for everyone to have a good time. I think men and women have to behave the same in order to be treated the same, and when it comes to sex the 2 genders are so different. If the treatment of men and women in swing clubs were identical there would be far more men attending than women, simply because more men want to attend these establishments. So to equalise the numbers men have to be discouraged and women incentivised. And let’s face it, men go to these clubs to meet women. I’m not sure that there are many other walks of life where the unequal gender interest in something dramatically effects the product.

Mrs"

I dont see how gender interest dramtically affect the product, Ive always been told by my friends that clubs are more of a social event, where are you are suggeting that the women are there to provide entertainment to the men so the clubs need more women.

Personally i would view them as a social event and somewhere to network if something happened thats nice. I'm not saying i plan to go to a club as I do not at the moment i just wondered where they would stand legally if someone were to take up a legal challange on discrimination grounds.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

So what’s your view on hair salons charging more for women than men?

Or are you not bothered because it works in your favour as a man?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I dont know because i dont go to a salon. I go tona barbers where there is only 1 price for a haircut. Maybe someone should raise it and ask why

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When was the last time a regular guy went to the barber and deviated from the...number 2 back n sides and shorter on top.

Women pay more because they expect more, and a damn sight better service than us filthy cave trolls

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

But going off how long my ex used to be in them i think thats a hourly rate charge

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By *iversong321Woman over a year ago

Preston/Merseyside

Mrs

Nobody will ever challenge it. As mentioned this has been discussed to death. You may want to do a forum search on the subject as the legalities have been discussed. Private members clubs can give reductions to the category of people they want to attract.

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By *tonMessCouple over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish

Night clubs often have ladies entry half price before 10pm.

Hairdressers charge 3 times more for a ladies cut.

Just as it is on this website, men will always outnumber the ladies and couples 10 fold. Clubs have to offer a cheaper entry fee to attract more ladies. Imagine if they didnt

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When was the last time a regular guy went to the barber and deviated from the...number 2 back n sides and shorter on top.

Women pay more because they expect more, and a damn sight better service than us filthy cave trolls

Real men go to unisex hair salons, not to barbers

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By *eal_curves_is_backWoman over a year ago

London

"Private clubs. Underrepresented categories. Debated ad nauseam.

What's your point? If you're bored why post?

People can ask whatever they like within forum rules."

To refer them to earlier discussions.

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By *onkeymagic50Man over a year ago

Near the harbour

Mrs"

This 190%

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

Mrs"

Don't clubs limit the amount of men who can enter?

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"When was the last time a regular guy went to the barber and deviated from the...number 2 back n sides and shorter on top.

Women pay more because they expect more, and a damn sight better service than us filthy cave trolls

My hair gets more of a seeing to than if Mr Ruggers went to the hairdressers

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"Private clubs. Underrepresented categories. Debated ad nauseam.

What's your point? If you're bored why post?

People can ask whatever they like within forum rules.

To refer them to earlier discussions."

They don't have to. The forum would be empty if people can't ask the same question as was asked last year

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have big boobs I pay more for my bras yes they use more material but it's still unfair why should I pay more for something I want lol xx

Clubs will and can charge what they like so yes it may seem unfair and for some it may seem discrimination. ...easy answer is dont go if you feel aggrieved simple xx

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"Night clubs often have ladies entry half price before 10pm.

Hairdressers charge 3 times more for a ladies cut.

Just as it is on this website, men will always outnumber the ladies and couples 10 fold. Clubs have to offer a cheaper entry fee to attract more ladies. Imagine if they didnt

Do you think the women wouldn't go if they had to pay more?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

There will come a time when practices such as this are considered abhorrent bit the relics in government who progressed equality left some areas out of equality legislation, i.e. private members clubs, way back in the past.

Something is either acceptable or it isn't and if the way we organize business etc can't survive fair law, then something will eventually alter, so that every part of our culture operates in ways that are deemed acceptable.

Would it be right to charge ethnic minorities more to take the train or play golf? No! Should transgender people have to show their genitals, so that businesses determine what their admission price is? No!

Businesses don't have to wait for legal changes to force them to change, they can formulate systems that are just and fair. In 100 years differential pricing will be intolerable, like women being unable to vote with equality to men was a century ago.

I don't have the business model for these businesses to work but we definitely need to become a more decent society, where we stop discrimination and remove the get-outs that exist for many things that, amongst other things, support bigots.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

I don’t regard swingers clubs as primarily social events, and I do believe if the law were to change for swingers parties so that everyone were treated identically, there would be a disproportionate number of single men, similar to ratios to a greedy girls night. We used to organise private house parties. We didn’t charge, but we did not treat genders the same. We only invited men who we knew and liked, where any single lady enquiringly was an automatic yes. Couples landed somewhere in between. So ‘invite only’ is the other way controlling male numbers. Would men prefer that? I guess it would good for the men who got invited.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There will come a time when practices such as this are considered abhorrent bit the relics in government who progressed equality left some areas out of equality legislation, i.e. private members clubs, way back in the past.

I agree in all other walks of life equal opportunities is right. However, if equal opportunities were to be applied to swingers clubs, I think that will be the end of swingers clubs as we know it. They will become greedy girls nights.

Mrs

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

Mrs"

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

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By *ust PeachyWoman over a year ago

Prestonish

"Night clubs often have ladies entry half price before 10pm.

Hairdressers charge 3 times more for a ladies cut.

Just as it is on this website, men will always outnumber the ladies and couples 10 fold. Clubs have to offer a cheaper entry fee to attract more ladies. Imagine if they didnt

Do you think the women wouldn't go if they had to pay more?"

I can only speak for myself here - and yes - I’d still go but a lot less often due to financial restrictions.

Like many of the single fems on here I’m a single parent - and rightly or wrongly simply couldn’t afford to go to clubs more than once every couple of months if I had to pay the same as single guys. I’m guessing it would be the same for many women.

Hence the system would be fairer in effect - but you’d have so few women there that men would stop going too - and many clubs would end up shutting down!

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"Night clubs often have ladies entry half price before 10pm.

Hairdressers charge 3 times more for a ladies cut.

Just as it is on this website, men will always outnumber the ladies and couples 10 fold. Clubs have to offer a cheaper entry fee to attract more ladies. Imagine if they didnt

Do you think the women wouldn't go if they had to pay more?

I can only speak for myself here - and yes - I’d still go but a lot less often due to financial restrictions.

Hence the system would be fairer in effect - but you’d have so few women there that men would stop going too - and many clubs would end up shutting down! "

Thanks

So another question, do you think you are being used to attract men who will pay more to get in?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?"

Yes they would. But it’s still not equal opportunities. Women would be unrestricted, and men handpicked. So the genders are still not being treated equally. And that’s not fair on the men who don’t get picked. The only other possibility is first come first serve either on the door or by purchasing a ticket in advance. There will obviously be queues and disappointment for men who don’t get in, or men would have to be buying their ticket way in advance, but probably sounds less discriminatory. Maybe men should be asked how they would prefer the male numbers to be controlled.

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs"

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

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By *tonMessCouple over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish

"Night clubs often have ladies entry half price before 10pm.

Hairdressers charge 3 times more for a ladies cut.

Just as it is on this website, men will always outnumber the ladies and couples 10 fold. Clubs have to offer a cheaper entry fee to attract more ladies. Imagine if they didnt

Do you think the women wouldn't go if they had to pay more?"

Im not sure, i think more WILL go if the price is reduced. We like a bargin

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

Serious question, and maybe many would prefer the other alternatives. Would you prefer a first come first serve system? Or would you prefer invite only? Or would you prefer to pay more than women? Those are the 3 possible ways of controlling male numbers. Each has their disadvantages.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs"

I am talking more about the charges.

The reason men seem to be charged more is because they say to limit the amount of men that enter, they do that anyway so the only reason I can see for them to charge more is to subsidise the women.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Night clubs often have ladies entry half price before 10pm.

Hairdressers charge 3 times more for a ladies cut.

Just as it is on this website, men will always outnumber the ladies and couples 10 fold. Clubs have to offer a cheaper entry fee to attract more ladies. Imagine if they didnt

Do you think the women wouldn't go if they had to pay more?

Im not sure, i think more WILL go if the price is reduced. We like a bargin

Should charge by the volume of hair..

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By *tonMessCouple over a year ago

Slough Windsor ish

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?

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By *09309309Woman over a year ago

Dublin

"I was having a chat with a friend yesterday about swinging clubs and got onto the difference prices they charge and how it must be technically illegal under the gender equality act.

Can you think of anywhwere else where different prices are charged based on your sex or status and if this did happen elsewhere would it be considered as acceptable."

Beauty salons

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

Its not ilegal as they are private members clubs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

I think private parties have to be invite only, pick and choose both genders for the sake of the party but for Jesus sake charge same prices

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I am talking more about the charges.

The reason men seem to be charged more is because they say to limit the amount of men that enter, they do that anyway so the only reason I can see for them to charge more is to subsidise the women."

Yes so if this is deamed morally wrong for men who have to pay more, and women who are arguably being subsidised to attract men, then we need to look at alternatives to controlling male numbers. So my question is are those alternatives fair or practical. I don’t know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?"

Everywhere mate

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

I think private parties have to be invite only, pick and choose both genders for the sake of the party but for Jesus sake charge same prices"

So what about clubs? How would you prefer male numbers to be controlled in clubs?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

I think private parties have to be invite only, pick and choose both genders for the sake of the party but for Jesus sake charge same prices

So what about clubs? How would you prefer male numbers to be controlled in clubs?"

Say male guest list is full

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By *oodnitegirlWoman over a year ago

Yorkshire

Bit of a skewed point but can I throw sanitary towels in the mix

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?

Everywhere mate "

Not true.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Bit of a skewed point but can I throw sanitary towels in the mix "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?

Everywhere mate "

We sometimes go to Eurekas with a male friend of ours. My husband and I pay £35 to get in and our friend pays £35 to get in. I guess effectively I’m getting in free, which I suppose isn’t fair. Nobody’s paying £80 though. If my husband and I had to pay £70 for 2 of us we wouldn’t go, or certainly not nearly as often, and I think a lot of couples would take that view. Maybe our friend should have paid £17.50. The question is then, could the club stay open if there were halving a lot of the fees. Secondly that might encourage more men to attend, hense tipping the ratios.

Mrs

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By *lem-H-FandangoMan over a year ago

salisbury

Vote with your feet.

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?

Everywhere mate "

I’m off to a club tonight. It’s a tenner for ladies, £25 for couples and £40 for men.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Vote with your feet."

But the polling booth tables are really high and I’m just not that bendy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?

Everywhere mate

I’m off to a club tonight. It’s a tenner for ladies, £25 for couples and £40 for men. "

It’s Wednesday that’s why maybe.. what club you going?. La boudoir is £80 if I’m not mistaking

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?

Everywhere mate "

And once again, you're talking out of your arse

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Real men go to unisex hair salons, not to barbers

Allegedly real men use baby lotion to keep the egghead in pristine nick, have beards the like of which would make the mighty Odin quake in fear, have more tattoos than a Maori warchief and love kittens

Not sure you can perm a scalp.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

I think private parties have to be invite only, pick and choose both genders for the sake of the party but for Jesus sake charge same prices

So what about clubs? How would you prefer male numbers to be controlled in clubs?

Say male guest list is full

I think what is needed is 2 types of clubs. Those that do ‘first come first serve’. And those who charge more for men. Then the men who don’t want to pay more can go to the ‘first come first serve’ and risk disappointment. And the men who just want to buy their ticket and have a guaranteed entry can go to the other option.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?

Everywhere mate

I’m off to a club tonight. It’s a tenner for ladies, £25 for couples and £40 for men.

It’s Wednesday that’s why maybe.. what club you going?. La boudoir is £80 if I’m not mistaking "

Le Boudoir is an expensive club. There are plenty of cheaper clubs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

I think private parties have to be invite only, pick and choose both genders for the sake of the party but for Jesus sake charge same prices

So what about clubs? How would you prefer male numbers to be controlled in clubs?

Say male guest list is full

And does that sound fair to you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?

Everywhere mate

I’m off to a club tonight. It’s a tenner for ladies, £25 for couples and £40 for men.

It’s Wednesday that’s why maybe.. what club you going?. La boudoir is £80 if I’m not mistaking

Le Boudoir is an expensive club. There are plenty of cheaper clubs"

I’ve been looking at wrong clubs then lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?

Everywhere mate

And once again, you're talking out of your arse

Just so you know I’m not going to have a conversation with you until you learn some manners

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

Mrs

Its not ilegal as they are private members clubs."

Of by "illegal" you mean a criminal offence, no discrimination is illegal as it is not a crime.

It is, however, unlawful for someone offering goods or services to the public or a section of the public to charge differential prices to events based on sex. What that means is that someone could sue in the civil courts and obtain compensation for sex discrimination if they were disadvantaged by it.

The only exceptions to this are

1. If it is a private members club with 25 or fewer members.

2. If a sexs, participation in an activity is disproportionately low, proportionate means can be taken to encourage its participation in that activity .

As virtually every swinging club has more than 25 members, 1 doesn't apply. 2 is what club owners often argue, but I don't think it would succeed if argued in court.

The crux is the phrase "proportionate means". I think a court would be very reluctant to endorse differential pricing in this way as it would open all sorts of floodgates. For example, black people are certainly disproportionately unrepresented amongst football fans. If this argument were right., it would be lawful for clubs to charge black people lower prices for tickets.

Long story short, if a man sued a swingers club he would probably win.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If they charge more for men then some men will expect a fuck for their money. They should just control it via numbers of guests and turn people away if the quota has been filled that night.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?

Everywhere mate

I’m off to a club tonight. It’s a tenner for ladies, £25 for couples and £40 for men.

It’s Wednesday that’s why maybe.. what club you going?. La boudoir is £80 if I’m not mistaking

Le Boudoir is an expensive club. There are plenty of cheaper clubs

I’ve been looking at wrong clubs then lol"

I’m not knocking Le Boudoir, but if you want something a bit more affordable, Eurekas is £35 for men and couples on a Saturday. The reason we like that club is because it’s one of the few that even allow single men on a Saturday night. (How to single men feel about not even being allow in when single women are welcome?)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If they charge more for men then some men will expect a fuck for their money. They should just control it via numbers of guests and turn people away if the quota has been filled that night. "

Would men be happy to be turned away at the door? That doesn’t sound nice either. That sort of punishes the respectful guys who don’t expect a fuck for their money and just want to pay whatever it costs to guarantee their entry. And there will be some men who will prefer to do that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

Its not ilegal as they are private members clubs.

Of by "illegal" you mean a criminal offence, no discrimination is illegal as it is not a crime.

The only exceptions to this are

1. If it is a private members club with 25 or fewer members.

2. If a sexs, participation in an activity is disproportionately low, proportionate means can be taken to encourage its participation in that activity .

As virtually every swinging club has more than 25 members, 1 doesn't apply. 2 is what club owners often argue, but I don't think it would succeed if argued in court.

Long story short, if a man sued a swingers club he would probably win. "

I will pass that on to the swinging club owner although i think its unlikely many guys will want to take them to court lol. It would be interesting to follow it though.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

As with any institution where the fundamental purpose is to facilitate people fucking, whether it's conventional nightclubs or a swingers club, theres an element of prostitution involved. Women are charged lower prices than men as the clubs essentially make their money providing men with women who are wanting to fuck. As long as there is a supply of such women, men will pay a premium price for that.

It would nice to think it possible to get events not based on that transnational premise, but as long as men wanting casual sex vastly outnumber women wanting the same, it will be very difficult.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

Mrs

Its not ilegal as they are private members clubs.

Of by "illegal" you mean a criminal offence, no discrimination is illegal as it is not a crime.

The only exceptions to this are

1. If it is a private members club with 25 or fewer members.

2. If a sexs, participation in an activity is disproportionately low, proportionate means can be taken to encourage its participation in that activity .

As virtually every swinging club has more than 25 members, 1 doesn't apply. 2 is what club owners often argue, but I don't think it would succeed if argued in court.

Long story short, if a man sued a swingers club he would probably win.

I will pass that on to the swinging club owner although i think its unlikely many guys will want to take them to court lol. It would be interesting to follow it though. "

Like conventional nightclubs, they rely on the fact that most blokes attending want a supply of women and realise that differential pricing means they get that and hence won't sue.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

Its not ilegal as they are private members clubs.

Of by "illegal" you mean a criminal offence, no discrimination is illegal as it is not a crime.

The only exceptions to this are

1. If it is a private members club with 25 or fewer members.

2. If a sexs, participation in an activity is disproportionately low, proportionate means can be taken to encourage its participation in that activity .

As virtually every swinging club has more than 25 members, 1 doesn't apply. 2 is what club owners often argue, but I don't think it would succeed if argued in court.

Long story short, if a man sued a swingers club he would probably win.

I will pass that on to the swinging club owner although i think its unlikely many guys will want to take them to court lol. It would be interesting to follow it though. "

It would indeed be interesting if this were taken to court. I wonder what will happen to swing clubs as we know them today. Would men mind other methods being used to control male numbers? Would they really be happy to queue up outside a club with the risk of being turned away. Or having to book their ticket months in advance whilst women can buy their ticket at the last minute. Would these alternative methods to control male numbers soon be considered discriminatory?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

Its not ilegal as they are private members clubs.

Of by "illegal" you mean a criminal offence, no discrimination is illegal as it is not a crime.

The only exceptions to this are

1. If it is a private members club with 25 or fewer members.

2. If a sexs, participation in an activity is disproportionately low, proportionate means can be taken to encourage its participation in that activity .

As virtually every swinging club has more than 25 members, 1 doesn't apply. 2 is what club owners often argue, but I don't think it would succeed if argued in court.

Long story short, if a man sued a swingers club he would probably win.

I will pass that on to the swinging club owner although i think its unlikely many guys will want to take them to court lol. It would be interesting to follow it though.

Like conventional nightclubs, they rely on the fact that most blokes attending want a supply of women and realise that differential pricing means they get that and hence won't sue. "

Indeed.

Also many men (in my over 13 year experience) are married and attend the clubs without their partners knowing so it would probably prove difficult to take the club owner to court without their partner knowing.

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By *opsy RogersWoman over a year ago

London

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?

Mrs

I guess balancing the numbers and charge same prices would be fair. But it will never happen due to supply and demand.

Girls free

Couples £30

Single men £80

£80

for men? Where charges that much?

Everywhere mate

I’m off to a club tonight. It’s a tenner for ladies, £25 for couples and £40 for men.

It’s Wednesday that’s why maybe.. what club you going?. La boudoir is £80 if I’m not mistaking

Le Boudoir is an expensive club. There are plenty of cheaper clubs

I’ve been looking at wrong clubs then lol

Wednesday is Mature Mischief night at Liberty Elite, other party nights are more expensive.

I don’t go to clubs on nights that don’t have single men in as I’m straight and playing with the male half of a couple doesn’t usually work.

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By *inkyLondonpairCouple over a year ago

London

Mrs

Its not ilegal as they are private members clubs.

Of by "illegal" you mean a criminal offence, no discrimination is illegal as it is not a crime.

The only exceptions to this are

1. If it is a private members club with 25 or fewer members.

2. If a sexs, participation in an activity is disproportionately low, proportionate means can be taken to encourage its participation in that activity .

As virtually every swinging club has more than 25 members, 1 doesn't apply. 2 is what club owners often argue, but I don't think it would succeed if argued in court.

Long story short, if a man sued a swingers club he would probably win.

I will pass that on to the swinging club owner although i think its unlikely many guys will want to take them to court lol. It would be interesting to follow it though.

All of the examples you give would also be unlawful. Any difference in treatment in provision of goods or services based on sex is, in principle, unlawful.

It would be interesting to see what would happen to clubs were compelled to practice sex equality.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mrs

Its not ilegal as they are private members clubs.

Of by "illegal" you mean a criminal offence, no discrimination is illegal as it is not a crime.

The only exceptions to this are

1. If it is a private members club with 25 or fewer members.

2. If a sexs, participation in an activity is disproportionately low, proportionate means can be taken to encourage its participation in that activity .

As virtually every swinging club has more than 25 members, 1 doesn't apply. 2 is what club owners often argue, but I don't think it would succeed if argued in court.

Long story short, if a man sued a swingers club he would probably win.

I will pass that on to the swinging club owner although i think its unlikely many guys will want to take them to court lol. It would be interesting to follow it though.

All of the examples you give would also be unlawful. Any difference in treatment in provision of goods or services based on sex is, in principle, unlawful.

It would be interesting to see what would happen to clubs were compelled to practice sex equality. "

So what we are saying is that there is no lawful method to control male numbers in swing clubs? Every method contravenes equal opportunities laws?

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By *amissCouple over a year ago

chelmsford

Mrs

But wouldn't clubs just limit the amount of men that can enter like you did with your parties?"

This I don't agree that men should pay more. We should all pay the same, it's up to the club to control numbers of single men they admit.