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Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this? |
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?"
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day.  |
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I’m not a particularly spiritual person but there are things that remain unexplainable. So yes it’s probably true. But it’s probably just as hard to prove as anything so let’s watch the space indeed.
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There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
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Proof that guys sometimes think with their dicks? |
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in the bizarre world of quantum physics and other theoretical sciences..it amazes me that it can be denied that thought could be energy that doesn't just simply die..its part of the universe much like everything else. |
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Science has much to discover and much that it cannot prove....yet.
We are born of energy. Engery never dies ...so says science... it just changes state....
Do we not dream
Do we not hope
Do we not reach for things unseen
Do we not feel
Aren't they more than just random molecules that form our physical self. |
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day. "
Hopefully not, there are many things in this world that i do not believe we are meant to know and the reckless chasing of then will ultimately lead to our demise. |
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day.
Hopefully not, there are many things in this world that i do not believe we are meant to know and the reckless chasing of then will ultimately lead to our demise. "
Or our evolution? |
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day.
Hopefully not, there are many things in this world that i do not believe we are meant to know and the reckless chasing of then will ultimately lead to our demise.
Or our evolution?"
I doubt it. Human nature dictates that whatever scientific breakthroughs we may discover we will always corrupt them. As a race we are not humble enough to hold such knowledge. |
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day.
Hopefully not, there are many things in this world that i do not believe we are meant to know and the reckless chasing of then will ultimately lead to our demise.
Or our evolution?
I doubt it. Human nature dictates that whatever scientific breakthroughs we may discover we will always corrupt them. As a race we are not humble enough to hold such knowledge."
I see your point, but I have hope that you are wrong and that it will be beneficial to many.  |
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day.
Hopefully not, there are many things in this world that i do not believe we are meant to know and the reckless chasing of then will ultimately lead to our demise.
Or our evolution?
I doubt it. Human nature dictates that whatever scientific breakthroughs we may discover we will always corrupt them. As a race we are not humble enough to hold such knowledge."
PS. I think it is more a reluctant acknowledgement than any reckless pursuit!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day.
Hopefully not, there are many things in this world that i do not believe we are meant to know and the reckless chasing of then will ultimately lead to our demise.
Or our evolution?
I doubt it. Human nature dictates that whatever scientific breakthroughs we may discover we will always corrupt them. As a race we are not humble enough to hold such knowledge.
I see your point, but I have hope that you are wrong and that it will be beneficial to many. "
Early man discovers fire, it's a wonderful thing; it keeps us warm, cooks our food, protects us from predators. They use it to burn down neighbouring villages.
We have been using technological advances to burn down neighbouring villages ever since. I don't see why this should be any different. In our arrogance we already play at being god well enough, to our own detriment and the environment from which we take everything.
How long before we realise our error. |
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day.
Hopefully not, there are many things in this world that i do not believe we are meant to know and the reckless chasing of then will ultimately lead to our demise.
Or our evolution?
I doubt it. Human nature dictates that whatever scientific breakthroughs we may discover we will always corrupt them. As a race we are not humble enough to hold such knowledge.
I see your point, but I have hope that you are wrong and that it will be beneficial to many.
Early man discovers fire, it's a wonderful thing; it keeps us warm, cooks our food, protects us from predators. They use it to burn down neighbouring villages.
We have been using technological advances to burn down neighbouring villages ever since. I don't see why this should be any different. In our arrogance we already play at being god well enough, to our own detriment and the environment from which we take everything.
How long before we realise our error."
And yet the spiritual is the antidote, so I cannot help but hope. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day.
Hopefully not, there are many things in this world that i do not believe we are meant to know and the reckless chasing of then will ultimately lead to our demise.
Or our evolution?
I doubt it. Human nature dictates that whatever scientific breakthroughs we may discover we will always corrupt them. As a race we are not humble enough to hold such knowledge.
I see your point, but I have hope that you are wrong and that it will be beneficial to many.
Early man discovers fire, it's a wonderful thing; it keeps us warm, cooks our food, protects us from predators. They use it to burn down neighbouring villages.
We have been using technological advances to burn down neighbouring villages ever since. I don't see why this should be any different. In our arrogance we already play at being god well enough, to our own detriment and the environment from which we take everything.
How long before we realise our error.
And yet the spiritual is the antidote, so I cannot help but hope. "
Possibly and i admire your optimism but i use the word reckless because we repeatedly fail to consider the consequences in our pursuit. I can't help but wonder, though; would Ernest Rutherford have kept quiet if he knew his discovery would lead to the deaths of thousands of Japanese civilians, lay waste to great tracts of our planet and continue to pollute us for millenia?
Perhaps spirit is key, perhaps i am succumbing to hysteria (i watch a lot of sci-fi including Altered Carbon) but i think i am right to be nervous. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day.
Hopefully not, there are many things in this world that i do not believe we are meant to know and the reckless chasing of then will ultimately lead to our demise.
Or our evolution?
I doubt it. Human nature dictates that whatever scientific breakthroughs we may discover we will always corrupt them. As a race we are not humble enough to hold such knowledge.
I see your point, but I have hope that you are wrong and that it will be beneficial to many.
Early man discovers fire, it's a wonderful thing; it keeps us warm, cooks our food, protects us from predators. They use it to burn down neighbouring villages.
We have been using technological advances to burn down neighbouring villages ever since. I don't see why this should be any different. In our arrogance we already play at being god well enough, to our own detriment and the environment from which we take everything.
How long before we realise our error.
And yet the spiritual is the antidote, so I cannot help but hope.
Possibly and i admire your optimism but i use the word reckless because we repeatedly fail to consider the consequences in our pursuit. I can't help but wonder, though; would Ernest Rutherford have kept quiet if he knew his discovery would lead to the deaths of thousands of Japanese civilians, lay waste to great tracts of our planet and continue to pollute us for millenia?
Perhaps spirit is key, perhaps i am succumbing to hysteria (i watch a lot of sci-fi including Altered Carbon) but i think i am right to be nervous."
I am nervous too but I think our evolutionary development actually depends on this. Otherwise we will succumb to our baser instincts’ indiscriminate destruction of ourselves and our planet |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day. "
We also watch with interest and agree that science may be able to one day measure and define aspects of the impact of the soul, but not confident science will ever be able to define it.
We would suggest the tools science uses are too crude and limited. |
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul "
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification.  |
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification. "
Soul can be see as individual consciousness - Spirit being universal pervading all life |
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification.
Soul can be see as individual consciousness - Spirit being universal pervading all life"
So "spirit" only exists in millions of individual separate consciousness? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification.
Soul can be see as individual consciousness - Spirit being universal pervading all life
So "spirit" only exists in millions of individual separate consciousness? "
and connects them?
It is very difficult to put into words something that pre-existed language, whenever we do it just creates paradoxes. |
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification.
Soul can be see as individual consciousness - Spirit being universal pervading all life
So "spirit" only exists in millions of individual separate consciousness? and connects them?
It is very difficult to put into words something that pre-existed language, whenever we do it just creates paradoxes. "
How is my consciousness connected with the consciousness of an ant? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification.
Soul can be see as individual consciousness - Spirit being universal pervading all life
So "spirit" only exists in millions of individual separate consciousness? and connects them?
It is very difficult to put into words something that pre-existed language, whenever we do it just creates paradoxes. "
As i said, a tricky one but i like your definition, Doc. I'll go with that, thanks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification.
Soul can be see as individual consciousness - Spirit being universal pervading all life
So "spirit" only exists in millions of individual separate consciousness? and connects them?
It is very difficult to put into words something that pre-existed language, whenever we do it just creates paradoxes.
How is my consciousness connected with the consciousness of an ant? "
It's not, this is where my definition falls down though spirit can be said to ne interconnected. It depends on what you believe. |
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Here’s a bit more thinking
Spirit is who and what you really are. Pure eternal Spirit is your real Self, your essential nature, the highermost part of your being. Spirit is impersonal, formless, and not an individualised thing. There is not a different spirit for each person. Spirit is ONE and shines over all, just as the sun shines on the earth. One fire; billions of flames
The soul, unlike the spirit, is an individual thing. It is a permanent entity: a flame from the fire that keeps burning. It is our self-conscious individuality that enacts our life (lives). Our individual conscious energetic being as opposed to the Universal Source
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification.
Soul can be see as individual consciousness - Spirit being universal pervading all life
So "spirit" only exists in millions of individual separate consciousness? and connects them?
It is very difficult to put into words something that pre-existed language, whenever we do it just creates paradoxes.
How is my consciousness connected with the consciousness of an ant? "
I guess via their ecological purpose.
“Ants have many such purposes. They clean up dead organisms as scavengers. Some species kill and eat other insects, so have some predation functions. Ants are also important food sources for some lizards, other insects, anteaters, and other organisms.
They are also important for the survival of some species of aphids, which have a mutualistic relationship with them. they also pollinate some species of plant. However, they are not generally good pollinators for several reasons. Additionally, some species have a mutualistic relationship with certain trees, in which the trees produce sugary sap for them while the ants repel harmful insects.”
So we are interconnected in the sense our ecological well being is interdependent . |
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification.
Soul can be see as individual consciousness - Spirit being universal pervading all life
So "spirit" only exists in millions of individual separate consciousness? and connects them?
It is very difficult to put into words something that pre-existed language, whenever we do it just creates paradoxes. "
This is why we think current scientific tools including defining language are too crude and not upto the task of explaining. |
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"Here’s a bit more thinking
Spirit is who and what you really are. Pure eternal Spirit is your real Self, your essential nature, the highermost part of your being. Spirit is impersonal, formless, and not an individualised thing. There is not a different spirit for each person. Spirit is ONE and shines over all, just as the sun shines on the earth. One fire; billions of flames
The soul, unlike the spirit, is an individual thing. It is a permanent entity: a flame from the fire that keeps burning. It is our self-conscious individuality that enacts our life (lives). Our individual conscious energetic being as opposed to the Universal Source
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You're basically positing a Platonist theory of forms. That universal abstract concepts have a non material existence outside human consciousness.
I am what's known as a nominalist. I say that such concepts are abstractions dreamed up by human beings and have no existence outside human brains. |
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification.
Soul can be see as individual consciousness - Spirit being universal pervading all life
So "spirit" only exists in millions of individual separate consciousness? and connects them?
It is very difficult to put into words something that pre-existed language, whenever we do it just creates paradoxes.
This is why we think current scientific tools including defining language are too crude and not upto the task of explaining."
I’d agree we’ll just create a better map. It will never describe the territory.
However I think meditation / esoteric spiritual/mystical disciplines can enable us to experience the territory more fully than we can by any other means. In a sense they are our individual ‘telescopes or microscopes’ to study the phenomenon. We can all experiment then share our experiences and test their validity with others who have ‘looked down the telescope’ too |
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"Here’s a bit more thinking
Spirit is who and what you really are. Pure eternal Spirit is your real Self, your essential nature, the highermost part of your being. Spirit is impersonal, formless, and not an individualised thing. There is not a different spirit for each person. Spirit is ONE and shines over all, just as the sun shines on the earth. One fire; billions of flames
The soul, unlike the spirit, is an individual thing. It is a permanent entity: a flame from the fire that keeps burning. It is our self-conscious individuality that enacts our life (lives). Our individual conscious energetic being as opposed to the Universal Source
You're basically positing a Platonist theory of forms. That universal abstract concepts have a non material existence outside human consciousness.
I am what's known as a nominalist. I say that such concepts are abstractions dreamed up by human beings and have no existence outside human brains. "
True - that’s the problem with drying to describe it  |
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I have little doubt that spirit or soul does not exist beyond the manifestation of neural activity
sadly there exists a vast amount of brain damage data that more than suggests self is a vastly complicated manifestation of neural activity , as opposed to a simplistic ethereal meta existence
in our bodies exists this infinity complex organ , demonstrable that it functions as a thought creator
It is so complex I cannot understand how anyone cannot credit human self to this very specific evolved thinking organ , WHY is it felt necessary to invent an out of body system to emit self into an organ that seems to have more than it's own ability to produce self? And with zero credible data to suggest self is more than our brain
The misnomer regarding the facts of energy conservation are just red herrings . energy may indeed be eternally conserved however how that correlates to data preservation is the real point , and energy conservation has no bearing upon data conservation
for example a fish was once thinking , it died .
The energy me that fish was conserved as oil
And 20 mins ago my van was holding that energy as kinetic energy as it moved forward
at what point does the momentum of my van have any coloration to the electrical activity of the fish brain
never of course
The concept of out of body self solves no problem human science has with brain function or even with the philosophical position of self
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"Here’s a bit more thinking
Spirit is who and what you really are. Pure eternal Spirit is your real Self, your essential nature, the highermost part of your being. Spirit is impersonal, formless, and not an individualised thing. There is not a different spirit for each person. Spirit is ONE and shines over all, just as the sun shines on the earth. One fire; billions of flames
The soul, unlike the spirit, is an individual thing. It is a permanent entity: a flame from the fire that keeps burning. It is our self-conscious individuality that enacts our life (lives). Our individual conscious energetic being as opposed to the Universal Source
You're basically positing a Platonist theory of forms. That universal abstract concepts have a non material existence outside human consciousness.
I am what's known as a nominalist. I say that such concepts are abstractions dreamed up by human beings and have no existence outside human brains.
True - that’s the problem with drying to describe it "
As i said earlier, it depends on what you believe. If you want to deny the existence of anything beyond the physical that's fine with me. Some, however, feel there's more to it than that. |
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
I watch with interest (though I call it spirit) and I am sure science will be able to measure/define/explain one day.
Hopefully not, there are many things in this world that i do not believe we are meant to know and the reckless chasing of then will ultimately lead to our demise.
Or our evolution?"
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Yea, what was happening with these souls when we were just amoeba  |
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"I have little doubt that spirit or soul does not exist beyond the manifestation of neural activity
sadly there exists a vast amount of brain damage data that more than suggests self is a vastly complicated manifestation of neural activity , as opposed to a simplistic ethereal meta existence
in our bodies exists this infinity complex organ , demonstrable that it functions as a thought creator
It is so complex I cannot understand how anyone cannot credit human self to this very specific evolved thinking organ , WHY is it felt necessary to invent an out of body system to emit self into an organ that seems to have more than it's own ability to produce self? And with zero credible data to suggest self is more than our brain
The misnomer regarding the facts of energy conservation are just red herrings . energy may indeed be eternally conserved however how that correlates to data preservation is the real point , and energy conservation has no bearing upon data conservation
for example a fish was once thinking , it died .
The energy me that fish was conserved as oil
And 20 mins ago my van was holding that energy as kinetic energy as it moved forward
at what point does the momentum of my van have any coloration to the electrical activity of the fish brain
never of course
The concept of out of body self solves no problem human science has with brain function or even with the philosophical position of self
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I apologise if i have misinterpreted your post but your claim that spirit does not exist beyond the manifestation neural activity is flawed.
The same can be said of the physical world; we experience sight only because of the neural activity in our retinas, touch only because of the neural activity of our fingertips. If this is so then the physical world can no more said to be real than the spiritual. |
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification.
Soul can be see as individual consciousness - Spirit being universal pervading all life
So "spirit" only exists in millions of individual separate consciousness? and connects them?
It is very difficult to put into words something that pre-existed language, whenever we do it just creates paradoxes.
This is why we think current scientific tools including defining language are too crude and not upto the task of explaining.
I’d agree we’ll just create a better map. It will never describe the territory.
However I think meditation / esoteric spiritual/mystical disciplines can enable us to experience the territory more fully than we can by any other means. In a sense they are our individual ‘telescopes or microscopes’ to study the phenomenon. We can all experiment then share our experiences and test their validity with others who have ‘looked down the telescope’ too "
Yes I 'feel' that those tools would be better disciplines at enabling us to experience the territory.
I'm less confident we can test validity of experience. The requirement inherent within science to test and measure seems incapable with this area. |
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Our consciousness is but a tiny part of who we are but I view this is a little understood - just like the rest of the brain and mind - part of ourselves.
As we're so very much limited in our understanding of the human mind, I don't view us as understanding something that's even more intangible than our own consciousness any time soon. It's feasible to turn consciousness on and off, thereby helping to establish that we have it but we're not even close to having a general scientific understanding of what a 'soul' may be, if it even exists. Different religious and philosophical understandings of the soul do differ - I think the bets are on that we do not have a soul, in the scientific community, if religious/supernatural type belief systems are put aside. |
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
A tricky one, this. I consider 'soul' and 'spirit' to be the religious equivalent to the psychological term 'consciousness', the immaterial part of the human being but that might be an oversimplification.
Soul can be see as individual consciousness - Spirit being universal pervading all life
So "spirit" only exists in millions of individual separate consciousness? and connects them?
It is very difficult to put into words something that pre-existed language, whenever we do it just creates paradoxes.
This is why we think current scientific tools including defining language are too crude and not upto the task of explaining.
I’d agree we’ll just create a better map. It will never describe the territory.
However I think meditation / esoteric spiritual/mystical disciplines can enable us to experience the territory more fully than we can by any other means. In a sense they are our individual ‘telescopes or microscopes’ to study the phenomenon. We can all experiment then share our experiences and test their validity with others who have ‘looked down the telescope’ too
Yes I 'feel' that those tools would be better disciplines at enabling us to experience the territory.
I'm less confident we can test validity of experience. The requirement inherent within science to test and measure seems incapable with this area."
We can apply similar rigour to subjective experience with 1st person sharing their experience and 2nd person research as others share their experiences too, as well as using the advances in scanning technology to apply third person research to the brain activity of the meditators. This area has already advanced significantly to the point that I think we will see it sooner rather than later.
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"Our consciousness is but a tiny part of who we are but I view this is a little understood - just like the rest of the brain and mind - part of ourselves.
As we're so very much limited in our understanding of the human mind, I don't view us as understanding something that's even more intangible than our own consciousness any time soon. It's feasible to turn consciousness on and off, thereby helping to establish that we have it but we're not even close to having a general scientific understanding of what a 'soul' may be, if it even exists. Different religious and philosophical understandings of the soul do differ - I think the bets are on that we do not have a soul, in the scientific community, if religious/supernatural type belief systems are put aside."
The similarity of the findings from the mystical traditions of both Eastern and Wstern Spirituality are too similar to be ignored...the structure of the experiences of the development of consciousness have a high degree of commonality |
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"Our consciousness is but a tiny part of who we are but I view this is a little understood - just like the rest of the brain and mind - part of ourselves.
As we're so very much limited in our understanding of the human mind, I don't view us as understanding something that's even more intangible than our own consciousness any time soon. It's feasible to turn consciousness on and off, thereby helping to establish that we have it but we're not even close to having a general scientific understanding of what a 'soul' may be, if it even exists. Different religious and philosophical understandings of the soul do differ - I think the bets are on that we do not have a soul, in the scientific community, if religious/supernatural type belief systems are put aside.
The similarity of the findings from the mystical traditions of both Eastern and Wstern Spirituality are too similar to be ignored...the structure of the experiences of the development of consciousness have a high degree of commonality"
We don't know for certain when consciousness first came into existence for our ancestors - it likely has adaptive value for a species. The problem with humans is that we have a very human-centric perspective, so we deny capabilities existing in other animals, often because of assuming they either exist like ours, or they cannot exist.
This thread was opened about the soul, whereas studies or questions of consciousness are a different matter - I assume in part because the existence of a soul is widely contested whereas our consciousness isn't. If someone wants to conflate the two, that's fine, as long as this clear.
As others have stated very eloquently, our origins of consciousness are likely to be fairly pervasive throughout our neurology, where it's feasible to have loss of some, though not all abilities, depending upon issues with some part of the tissues.
Correlating having physical matter that performs functionality to the existence of something without any physical basis is an entirely different concept and is likely forged from having spiritual/religious/supernatural existence percepts driven by belief systems. |
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"Our consciousness is but a tiny part of who we are but I view this is a little understood - just like the rest of the brain and mind - part of ourselves.
As we're so very much limited in our understanding of the human mind, I don't view us as understanding something that's even more intangible than our own consciousness any time soon. It's feasible to turn consciousness on and off, thereby helping to establish that we have it but we're not even close to having a general scientific understanding of what a 'soul' may be, if it even exists. Different religious and philosophical understandings of the soul do differ - I think the bets are on that we do not have a soul, in the scientific community, if religious/supernatural type belief systems are put aside."
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"Our consciousness is but a tiny part of who we are but I view this is a little understood - just like the rest of the brain and mind - part of ourselves.
As we're so very much limited in our understanding of the human mind, I don't view us as understanding something that's even more intangible than our own consciousness any time soon. It's feasible to turn consciousness on and off, thereby helping to establish that we have it but we're not even close to having a general scientific understanding of what a 'soul' may be, if it even exists. Different religious and philosophical understandings of the soul do differ - I think the bets are on that we do not have a soul, in the scientific community, if religious/supernatural type belief systems are put aside.
It seems the OP has read something that suggests the odds have changed and are more in favour now??"
That can't be a bad thing. There's more to life than just cold science. |
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Body and spirit united make a living soul...
Your spirit looks like a human being, but is made of finer matter than our material bodies, both vibrate at different frequences, hence whilst in pyshical bodies we cannot see the spirit world...
The spirit is the real you, the physical body is a vechicle for said spirit to operate in this material world... |
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"Our consciousness is but a tiny part of who we are but I view this is a little understood - just like the rest of the brain and mind - part of ourselves.
As we're so very much limited in our understanding of the human mind, I don't view us as understanding something that's even more intangible than our own consciousness any time soon. It's feasible to turn consciousness on and off, thereby helping to establish that we have it but we're not even close to having a general scientific understanding of what a 'soul' may be, if it even exists. Different religious and philosophical understandings of the soul do differ - I think the bets are on that we do not have a soul, in the scientific community, if religious/supernatural type belief systems are put aside.
The similarity of the findings from the mystical traditions of both Eastern and Wstern Spirituality are too similar to be ignored...the structure of the experiences of the development of consciousness have a high degree of commonality
We don't know for certain when consciousness first came into existence for our ancestors - it likely has adaptive value for a species. The problem with humans is that we have a very human-centric perspective, so we deny capabilities existing in other animals, often because of assuming they either exist like ours, or they cannot exist.
This thread was opened about the soul, whereas studies or questions of consciousness are a different matter - I assume in part because the existence of a soul is widely contested whereas our consciousness isn't. If someone wants to conflate the two, that's fine, as long as this clear.
As others have stated very eloquently, our origins of consciousness are likely to be fairly pervasive throughout our neurology, where it's feasible to have loss of some, though not all abilities, depending upon issues with some part of the tissues.
Correlating having physical matter that performs functionality to the existence of something without any physical basis is an entirely different concept and is likely forged from having spiritual/religious/supernatural existence percepts driven by belief systems."
I used the definition of Soul as individuated consciousness so in a sense the idea is conflated. These are just words. I think the first time the word soul was used in the English language was in the poem Beowulf. So it’s just a construct invented some time around 1000AD.
So it was a construct of its time that as evolved in its meaning, but still an inadequate word to describe what it is. |
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul "
I would go further than others I think and say it is the life force itself, and more - I would say many if not all physical forces are simply a manifestation of the spiritual realm, it is totally integral to....well everything.
The spiritual realm has laws every bit as predictable as the laws of phsyics, and my personal belief is quantum mechanics is where they have already begun to be described. Someone said if you are not shocked by quantum mechanics you have not understood it but on the contrary, the simplistic version of the principle initially described to me was totally familiar to me as a spiritual law.
The life force of the ant is therefore made of the same stuff as the life force in you - that is where the connection is. Science tells me I am made of stardust, literally - that's a similarly mind-boggling fact to my mind.
Without a spirit, our own portion of that life force, we are all just dust.
I agree that various spiritual/mystical disciplines supply the most readily accessible 'interface' between the physical and the spiritual. But there are other 'every day functions' - intuition for instance, or conscience, where we can become aware of the difference.
We can also connect with the spirit in others - horses for instance can facilitate this, they are very sensitive to the spiritual and can reflect that back to us, so people can begin to discern via cause and effect in a very simple way.
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
I would go further than others I think and say it is the life force itself, and more - I would say many if not all physical forces are simply a manifestation of the spiritual realm, it is totally integral to....well everything.
The spiritual realm has laws every bit as predictable as the laws of phsyics, and my personal belief is quantum mechanics is where they have already begun to be described. Someone said if you are not shocked by quantum mechanics you have not understood it but on the contrary, the simplistic version of the principle initially described to me was totally familiar to me as a spiritual law.
The life force of the ant is therefore made of the same stuff as the life force in you - that is where the connection is. Science tells me I am made of stardust, literally - that's a similarly mind-boggling fact to my mind.
Without a spirit, our own portion of that life force, we are all just dust.
I agree that various spiritual/mystical disciplines supply the most readily accessible 'interface' between the physical and the spiritual. But there are other 'every day functions' - intuition for instance, or conscience, where we can become aware of the difference.
We can also connect with the spirit in others - horses for instance can facilitate this, they are very sensitive to the spiritual and can reflect that back to us, so people can begin to discern via cause and effect in a very simple way.
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Life force and consciousness are interlinked. In my view life force is the ‘energy’ that connects everything and consciousness is the awareness of it. Where there is life force there is consciousness and where there is consciousness there is life force.
We can see the interconnectedness of everything by meditating on a round of toast, as well as connecting spiritually with another sentient life form, like a horse 
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
I would go further than others I think and say it is the life force itself, and more - I would say many if not all physical forces are simply a manifestation of the spiritual realm, it is totally integral to....well everything.
The spiritual realm has laws every bit as predictable as the laws of phsyics, and my personal belief is quantum mechanics is where they have already begun to be described. Someone said if you are not shocked by quantum mechanics you have not understood it but on the contrary, the simplistic version of the principle initially described to me was totally familiar to me as a spiritual law.
The life force of the ant is therefore made of the same stuff as the life force in you - that is where the connection is. Science tells me I am made of stardust, literally - that's a similarly mind-boggling fact to my mind.
Without a spirit, our own portion of that life force, we are all just dust.
I agree that various spiritual/mystical disciplines supply the most readily accessible 'interface' between the physical and the spiritual. But there are other 'every day functions' - intuition for instance, or conscience, where we can become aware of the difference.
We can also connect with the spirit in others - horses for instance can facilitate this, they are very sensitive to the spiritual and can reflect that back to us, so people can begin to discern via cause and effect in a very simple way.
Life force and consciousness are interlinked. In my view life force is the ‘energy’ that connects everything and consciousness is the awareness of it. Where there is life force there is consciousness and where there is consciousness there is life force.
We can see the interconnectedness of everything by meditating on a round of toast, as well as connecting spiritually with another sentient life form, like a horse
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I would go further than others I think and say it is the life force itself, and more - I would say many if not all physical forces are simply a manifestation of the spiritual realm, it is totally integral to....well everything.
The spiritual realm has laws every bit as predictable as the laws of phsyics, and my personal belief is quantum mechanics is where they have already begun to be described. Someone said if you are not shocked by quantum mechanics you have not understood it but on the contrary, the simplistic version of the principle initially described to me was totally familiar to me as a spiritual law.
The life force of the ant is therefore made of the same stuff as the life force in you - that is where the connection is. Science tells me I am made of stardust, literally - that's a similarly mind-boggling fact to my mind.
Without a spirit, our own portion of that life force, we are all just dust.
I agree that various spiritual/mystical disciplines supply the most readily accessible 'interface' between the physical and the spiritual. But there are other 'every day functions' - intuition for instance, or conscience, where we can become aware of the difference.
We can also connect with the spirit in others - horses for instance can facilitate this, they are very sensitive to the spiritual and can reflect that back to us, so people can begin to discern via cause and effect in a very simple way.
Life force and consciousness are interlinked. In my view life force is the ‘energy’ that connects everything and consciousness is the awareness of it. Where there is life force there is consciousness and where there is consciousness there is life force.
We can see the interconnectedness of everything by meditating on a round of toast, as well as connecting spiritually with another sentient life form, like a horse
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
I would go further than others I think and say it is the life force itself, and more - I would say many if not all physical forces are simply a manifestation of the spiritual realm, it is totally integral to....well everything.
The spiritual realm has laws every bit as predictable as the laws of phsyics, and my personal belief is quantum mechanics is where they have already begun to be described. Someone said if you are not shocked by quantum mechanics you have not understood it but on the contrary, the simplistic version of the principle initially described to me was totally familiar to me as a spiritual law.
The life force of the ant is therefore made of the same stuff as the life force in you - that is where the connection is. Science tells me I am made of stardust, literally - that's a similarly mind-boggling fact to my mind.
Without a spirit, our own portion of that life force, we are all just dust.
I agree that various spiritual/mystical disciplines supply the most readily accessible 'interface' between the physical and the spiritual. But there are other 'every day functions' - intuition for instance, or conscience, where we can become aware of the difference.
We can also connect with the spirit in others - horses for instance can facilitate this, they are very sensitive to the spiritual and can reflect that back to us, so people can begin to discern via cause and effect in a very simple way.
Life force and consciousness are interlinked. In my view life force is the ‘energy’ that connects everything and consciousness is the awareness of it. Where there is life force there is consciousness and where there is consciousness there is life force.
We can see the interconnectedness of everything by meditating on a round of toast, as well as connecting spiritually with another sentient life form, like a horse
*sighs contentedly* Y'know, I read that with your best Ringo voice in my head and imagoning you in Jedi Robes, Doc "
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
I would go further than others I think and say it is the life force itself, and more - I would say many if not all physical forces are simply a manifestation of the spiritual realm, it is totally integral to....well everything.
The spiritual realm has laws every bit as predictable as the laws of phsyics, and my personal belief is quantum mechanics is where they have already begun to be described. Someone said if you are not shocked by quantum mechanics you have not understood it but on the contrary, the simplistic version of the principle initially described to me was totally familiar to me as a spiritual law.
The life force of the ant is therefore made of the same stuff as the life force in you - that is where the connection is. Science tells me I am made of stardust, literally - that's a similarly mind-boggling fact to my mind.
Without a spirit, our own portion of that life force, we are all just dust.
I agree that various spiritual/mystical disciplines supply the most readily accessible 'interface' between the physical and the spiritual. But there are other 'every day functions' - intuition for instance, or conscience, where we can become aware of the difference.
We can also connect with the spirit in others - horses for instance can facilitate this, they are very sensitive to the spiritual and can reflect that back to us, so people can begin to discern via cause and effect in a very simple way.
Life force and consciousness are interlinked. In my view life force is the ‘energy’ that connects everything and consciousness is the awareness of it. Where there is life force there is consciousness and where there is consciousness there is life force.
We can see the interconnectedness of everything by meditating on a round of toast, as well as connecting spiritually with another sentient life form, like a horse
*sighs contentedly* Y'know, I read that with your best Ringo voice in my head and imagoning you in Jedi Robes, Doc
I read the comment before I saw who posted it, but knew it was you
I'll take that as a compliment "
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
I would go further than others I think and say it is the life force itself, and more - I would say many if not all physical forces are simply a manifestation of the spiritual realm, it is totally integral to....well everything.
The spiritual realm has laws every bit as predictable as the laws of phsyics, and my personal belief is quantum mechanics is where they have already begun to be described. Someone said if you are not shocked by quantum mechanics you have not understood it but on the contrary, the simplistic version of the principle initially described to me was totally familiar to me as a spiritual law.
The life force of the ant is therefore made of the same stuff as the life force in you - that is where the connection is. Science tells me I am made of stardust, literally - that's a similarly mind-boggling fact to my mind.
Without a spirit, our own portion of that life force, we are all just dust.
I agree that various spiritual/mystical disciplines supply the most readily accessible 'interface' between the physical and the spiritual. But there are other 'every day functions' - intuition for instance, or conscience, where we can become aware of the difference.
We can also connect with the spirit in others - horses for instance can facilitate this, they are very sensitive to the spiritual and can reflect that back to us, so people can begin to discern via cause and effect in a very simple way.
Life force and consciousness are interlinked. In my view life force is the ‘energy’ that connects everything and consciousness is the awareness of it. Where there is life force there is consciousness and where there is consciousness there is life force.
We can see the interconnectedness of everything by meditating on a round of toast, as well as connecting spiritually with another sentient life form, like a horse
*sighs contentedly* Y'know, I read that with your best Ringo voice in my head and imagoning you in Jedi Robes, Doc
I read the comment before I saw who posted it, but knew it was you
I'll take that as a compliment
I want to know what 'imagoning' means. "
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
I would go further than others I think and say it is the life force itself, and more - I would say many if not all physical forces are simply a manifestation of the spiritual realm, it is totally integral to....well everything.
The spiritual realm has laws every bit as predictable as the laws of phsyics, and my personal belief is quantum mechanics is where they have already begun to be described. Someone said if you are not shocked by quantum mechanics you have not understood it but on the contrary, the simplistic version of the principle initially described to me was totally familiar to me as a spiritual law.
The life force of the ant is therefore made of the same stuff as the life force in you - that is where the connection is. Science tells me I am made of stardust, literally - that's a similarly mind-boggling fact to my mind.
Without a spirit, our own portion of that life force, we are all just dust.
I agree that various spiritual/mystical disciplines supply the most readily accessible 'interface' between the physical and the spiritual. But there are other 'every day functions' - intuition for instance, or conscience, where we can become aware of the difference.
We can also connect with the spirit in others - horses for instance can facilitate this, they are very sensitive to the spiritual and can reflect that back to us, so people can begin to discern via cause and effect in a very simple way.
Life force and consciousness are interlinked. In my view life force is the ‘energy’ that connects everything and consciousness is the awareness of it. Where there is life force there is consciousness and where there is consciousness there is life force.
We can see the interconnectedness of everything by meditating on a round of toast, as well as connecting spiritually with another sentient life form, like a horse
*sighs contentedly* Y'know, I read that with your best Ringo voice in my head and imagoning you in Jedi Robes, Doc
I read the comment before I saw who posted it, but knew it was you
I'll take that as a compliment
I want to know what 'imagoning' means. "
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I would go further than others I think and say it is the life force itself, and more - I would say many if not all physical forces are simply a manifestation of the spiritual realm, it is totally integral to....well everything.
The spiritual realm has laws every bit as predictable as the laws of phsyics, and my personal belief is quantum mechanics is where they have already begun to be described. Someone said if you are not shocked by quantum mechanics you have not understood it but on the contrary, the simplistic version of the principle initially described to me was totally familiar to me as a spiritual law.
The life force of the ant is therefore made of the same stuff as the life force in you - that is where the connection is. Science tells me I am made of stardust, literally - that's a similarly mind-boggling fact to my mind.
Without a spirit, our own portion of that life force, we are all just dust.
I agree that various spiritual/mystical disciplines supply the most readily accessible 'interface' between the physical and the spiritual. But there are other 'every day functions' - intuition for instance, or conscience, where we can become aware of the difference.
We can also connect with the spirit in others - horses for instance can facilitate this, they are very sensitive to the spiritual and can reflect that back to us, so people can begin to discern via cause and effect in a very simple way.
Life force and consciousness are interlinked. In my view life force is the ‘energy’ that connects everything and consciousness is the awareness of it. Where there is life force there is consciousness and where there is consciousness there is life force.
We can see the interconnectedness of everything by meditating on a round of toast, as well as connecting spiritually with another sentient life form, like a horse
*sighs contentedly* Y'know, I read that with your best Ringo voice in my head and imagoning you in Jedi Robes, Doc
I read the comment before I saw who posted it, but knew it was you
I'll take that as a compliment
I want to know what 'imagoning' means.
And I knew who that would be without looking too "
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I would go further than others I think and say it is the life force itself, and more - I would say many if not all physical forces are simply a manifestation of the spiritual realm, it is totally integral to....well everything.
The spiritual realm has laws every bit as predictable as the laws of phsyics, and my personal belief is quantum mechanics is where they have already begun to be described. Someone said if you are not shocked by quantum mechanics you have not understood it but on the contrary, the simplistic version of the principle initially described to me was totally familiar to me as a spiritual law.
The life force of the ant is therefore made of the same stuff as the life force in you - that is where the connection is. Science tells me I am made of stardust, literally - that's a similarly mind-boggling fact to my mind.
Without a spirit, our own portion of that life force, we are all just dust.
I agree that various spiritual/mystical disciplines supply the most readily accessible 'interface' between the physical and the spiritual. But there are other 'every day functions' - intuition for instance, or conscience, where we can become aware of the difference.
We can also connect with the spirit in others - horses for instance can facilitate this, they are very sensitive to the spiritual and can reflect that back to us, so people can begin to discern via cause and effect in a very simple way.
Life force and consciousness are interlinked. In my view life force is the ‘energy’ that connects everything and consciousness is the awareness of it. Where there is life force there is consciousness and where there is consciousness there is life force.
We can see the interconnectedness of everything by meditating on a round of toast, as well as connecting spiritually with another sentient life form, like a horse
*sighs contentedly* Y'know, I read that with your best Ringo voice in my head and imagoning you in Jedi Robes, Doc
I read the comment before I saw who posted it, but knew it was you
I'll take that as a compliment
I want to know what 'imagoning' means.
Have you been Green Arrowing G3? "
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"Can anyone define what they mean by "spirit" or "soul
I would go further than others I think and say it is the life force itself, and more - I would say many if not all physical forces are simply a manifestation of the spiritual realm, it is totally integral to....well everything.
The spiritual realm has laws every bit as predictable as the laws of phsyics, and my personal belief is quantum mechanics is where they have already begun to be described. Someone said if you are not shocked by quantum mechanics you have not understood it but on the contrary, the simplistic version of the principle initially described to me was totally familiar to me as a spiritual law.
The life force of the ant is therefore made of the same stuff as the life force in you - that is where the connection is. Science tells me I am made of stardust, literally - that's a similarly mind-boggling fact to my mind.
Without a spirit, our own portion of that life force, we are all just dust.
I agree that various spiritual/mystical disciplines supply the most readily accessible 'interface' between the physical and the spiritual. But there are other 'every day functions' - intuition for instance, or conscience, where we can become aware of the difference.
We can also connect with the spirit in others - horses for instance can facilitate this, they are very sensitive to the spiritual and can reflect that back to us, so people can begin to discern via cause and effect in a very simple way.
Life force and consciousness are interlinked. In my view life force is the ‘energy’ that connects everything and consciousness is the awareness of it. Where there is life force there is consciousness and where there is consciousness there is life force.
We can see the interconnectedness of everything by meditating on a round of toast, as well as connecting spiritually with another sentient life form, like a horse
*sighs contentedly* Y'know, I read that with your best Ringo voice in my head and imagoning you in Jedi Robes, Doc
I read the comment before I saw who posted it, but knew it was you
I'll take that as a compliment
I want to know what 'imagoning' means.
Have you been Green Arrowing G3?
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?"
My first thought is bullshit and my second thought is would you please give me your source so that I can read it and at least check out the author before I cry total bullshit. Thanks xx
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
My first thought is bullshit and my second thought is would you please give me your source so that I can read it and at least check out the author before I cry total bullshit. Thanks xx
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"Apparently scientists are close to proving the soul may actually exist!
There are pathways throughout our bodies that don’t seem to have any reason except to carry our consciousness around the body (soul)
Watch this space,...
Any thoughts on this?
My first thought is bullshit and my second thought is would you please give me your source so that I can read it and at least check out the author before I cry total bullshit. Thanks xx
It was a documentary I watched whilst on my travels in Asia, think it was on a American channel"
is this one of these , evolution is fiction , creation is fact American tv shows
The facts remain , zero data to even suggest a soul is required let alone no data to support how it could happen x
for those who postulate a soul exists, I suggest it exists in exactly the same way big Ben tells the time ,
So big Ben has x numbers of gears chains, cogs, cables , leavers and catchments
however it tells the time by 4 little cherubs who are none visible and leave no trace of their existence , they fly from Venus every second to physicaly move the hands on big Ben
sounds like nonsense ?
we know brain has physical memory
we know the brain thinks
we know flooding brain with chemicals changes what and how it thinks , sees, feels,
we know dissecting brain affects its function and memory
I'd suggest a brain is rather amazing ?
I cannot see that either an out of body function is required to explain brain and personality function or why anyone would think a brain is not able to produce a self and that this functionality is more explainable as an out of body function ?
I'd suggest that the above article is nonsense the use of the word pathways is vague as it is misleading , the body has a very efficient way for message and data transfer with both it's electrical and chemical pathways all of which interconnect with every other cell , what more does a thing that cannot be detected and can enter a brain from ethereal world without any detectable pathway need ? exactly an extra soul pathway is a made up concept that solves no problem
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"I have little doubt that spirit or soul does not exist beyond the manifestation of neural activity
sadly there exists a vast amount of brain damage data that more than suggests self is a vastly complicated manifestation of neural activity , as opposed to a simplistic ethereal meta existence
in our bodies exists this infinity complex organ , demonstrable that it functions as a thought creator
It is so complex I cannot understand how anyone cannot credit human self to this very specific evolved thinking organ , WHY is it felt necessary to invent an out of body system to emit self into an organ that seems to have more than it's own ability to produce self? And with zero credible data to suggest self is more than our brain
The misnomer regarding the facts of energy conservation are just red herrings . energy may indeed be eternally conserved however how that correlates to data preservation is the real point , and energy conservation has no bearing upon data conservation
for example a fish was once thinking , it died .
The energy me that fish was conserved as oil
And 20 mins ago my van was holding that energy as kinetic energy as it moved forward
at what point does the momentum of my van have any coloration to the electrical activity of the fish brain
never of course
The concept of out of body self solves no problem human science has with brain function or even with the philosophical position of self
I apologise if i have misinterpreted your post but your claim that spirit does not exist beyond the manifestation neural activity is flawed.
The same can be said of the physical world; we experience sight only because of the neural activity in our retinas, touch only because of the neural activity of our fingertips. If this is so then the physical world can no more said to be real than the spiritual."
now to illustrate the difference ,
one big slab of rock
one brain in skull
one very squished brain
The atoms and light the brain could experience and sense will still exist
The thing that rationalises these senses that we term self is not |
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Seeing something on a TV show is far from published scientific evidence in reputable literature of course.
We've probably all got a different interpretation of what a 'soul' might be, if it were to exist. I think it's been heavily promoted to us in much of the west, due to the power of religions.
As our perceptions from our senses are all only possible due to the processing that's undertaken in the brain, then our attention is much better put to the power of our minds. We know it's possible to have perfect visual apparatus neurological connections into our brain, yet still remain consciously unable to 'see' anything. The brain is of such central importance to who we are and what we experience, or don't. We're in a constantly changing self, what our sensory capabilities pick-up go through complex translations, filtering and interpretations, including even our sense of self. We're highly complex organisms and our brains can store the equivalent of what's accessible via the internet - just one brain. The human mind is something that we still know little about but if we're looking to better understand ourselves, it would seem evident that it's wise to put our attention there, as we know that it definitely exists, rather than something that's just a concept. |
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