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Literally just finished watching it. It’s been slated on some forums but I really liked it and got into it.
Can’t wait for the second series, apparently each season will have a very different story arc... |
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We went through it as it aired and had very mixed (and varied between us) feelings
L was on board from the start, she is a massive Trekkie, but a recent one. She didn't grow up with it, I introduced her to it and then she power binged it over the course of a couple of years. As a result while she is a very keen fan she hasn't the attachment to canon that I have. She thoroughly enjoyed almost all elements of it and for her the canon inconsistencies were of limited to no impact.
Myself... Up and down. I hated the design of Discovery to begin with. I'm warming to it slightly now but I still think it's ungainly compared to other ships in the ST universe. It's saucer section is too small for its engineering section/secondary hull. It looks more primative than the Shenzou which is meant to be an aging design 5 minutes away from mothballs while Discovery is state of the art. It looks primative because it is, the fundamental design is well over 30 years old. It's a reworked version of the Enterprise B concept designed for the cancelled "Star Trek: Next Phase" series that would have been produced between TOS and TNG.
The main character really irked me from the get go, an illogical Mary Sue that was completely at odds with her own back story.
The Klingons... Oh dear god the Klingons. What the hell are these things and what did you do with one of Treks most iconic antagonists? They look like ass, they can barely talk through their prostetics and this absolutely murders the language. I'm fine with subtitles and the amount of spoken Klingon might actually have been appealing if they could even pronounce their lines!
The effects were good though the pacing of the battle scenes was off. These are meant to be the dreadnoughts of space, they aren't fighter jets.
The spore drive... Never has a single piece of trek tech caused more canon issues... They closed off multiple opportunities to kill it off and make it an interesting period in Federation history that would make sense as lost to time due to X event rendering it unusable to future ships.
The... How to avoid spoilers... The progression of the Voq character... Well it was so obvious I'm not even sure it needs a spoiler warning.
So from pretty early on I hated it. But, as it got going I started to really enjoy some elements.
Hugh was among the most endearing and wonderful to watch characters in all Trek, and he actually made me like Stammets far more by the time they spend together which is quite a nuonced writing achievement. Saru was simply flawless, and proved himself command worthy multiple times. The progression of Lorca's character was brilliantly done.
I thought Michelle Yeoh was underwhelming, but then I think that about everything she is in, I've never understood her reputation as an A-lister.
Michael by the end actually won me over. Which I didn't expect.
I won't spoil the ending other than to say this: It is almost certainly the most illogical decision in all of fiction. Given all that lead up to it, the characters involved. It was just a cop out and a missed opportunity.
By the end, I found myself looking forward to season 2. And I think they did a decent job. If they hadn't made so many unprovoked errors in canon, errors that were unnecessary and added nothing of value, then this would undoubtedly have been the best trek we have ever seen. As it stands, intriguing, but still not quite living up. |
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I am a long time trek fan, so is my dad.
Watched them all from the original (although not when airing) the films, next generation, deep space nine, voyager, etc etc.
It's cool the kilingons have somewhat of a better culture now, and they look cool.
There are no cannon issues. Basically star trek has always had a black ops section. We find out in Deep space nine that they broke off from the federation years previously but had been a core section of star fleet with often banned and illegal tech. We also find out that they have carried out mass murders, genocides, assassinations, and they completely wipe out the shape shifting race.
In deep space nine we find out that they have personal cloaking devices and bases that are in constant time flux hidden from all sensors, that even the enterprise could not detect them etc.
Its pretty clear that this show is showing that groups origin story, which means they can go way off script and go way out of star fleet comfort zone to bring us a much more edgey story, while leaving canon intact. |
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"Sorry I should have said, for those who want to google the federation black ops unit, they are called Section 31."
The thing is, while I recognize S31 and agree that the spore drive is right in their wheelhouse, for this to be a good and believable explaination for the lack of spore drives in future Trek then we would have to believe that S31 chose not to equip the federation with a technology that would give them an immediate and virtually unassailable tactical advantage over every other species in the quadrant.
S31 secrecy cannot be used as a canon cover for this discrepancy, it's simply too big of a technology. It could and would have been utilised, most notably to bring Voyager home.
The only believable way they can fix the canon now is to have something make the mycelial network unusable. Not just an active decision by the federation not to pursue the technology but literally make it physically impossible.
I have to say I don't understand how you can say there are no canon issues. They are numerous and gaping. The spore drive is the biggest granted but even little things like the holographic Comms system. Something that wasn't experimented with until mid-late DS9. But working perfectly on Discovery and presumably fitted to every ship they ever communicated with through it as well |
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"Sorry I should have said, for those who want to google the federation black ops unit, they are called Section 31.
The thing is, while I recognize S31 and agree that the spore drive is right in their wheelhouse, for this to be a good and believable explaination for the lack of spore drives in future Trek then we would have to believe that S31 chose not to equip the federation with a technology that would give them an immediate and virtually unassailable tactical advantage over every other species in the quadrant.
S31 secrecy cannot be used as a canon cover for this discrepancy, it's simply too big of a technology. It could and would have been utilised, most notably to bring Voyager home.
The only believable way they can fix the canon now is to have something make the mycelial network unusable. Not just an active decision by the federation not to pursue the technology but literally make it physically impossible.
I have to say I don't understand how you can say there are no canon issues. They are numerous and gaping. The spore drive is the biggest granted but even little things like the holographic Comms system. Something that wasn't experimented with until mid-late DS9. But working perfectly on Discovery and presumably fitted to every ship they ever communicated with through it as well "
Well it is meant to be a flagship right? So it would have all of the prototype tech, id say there must have been an issue with the spore drive, maybe a massive failure result indestruction of a ship that isnt as well prepared as the discovery |
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"Sorry I should have said, for those who want to google the federation black ops unit, they are called Section 31.
The thing is, while I recognize S31 and agree that the spore drive is right in their wheelhouse, for this to be a good and believable explaination for the lack of spore drives in future Trek then we would have to believe that S31 chose not to equip the federation with a technology that would give them an immediate and virtually unassailable tactical advantage over every other species in the quadrant.
S31 secrecy cannot be used as a canon cover for this discrepancy, it's simply too big of a technology. It could and would have been utilised, most notably to bring Voyager home.
The only believable way they can fix the canon now is to have something make the mycelial network unusable. Not just an active decision by the federation not to pursue the technology but literally make it physically impossible.
I have to say I don't understand how you can say there are no canon issues. They are numerous and gaping. The spore drive is the biggest granted but even little things like the holographic Comms system. Something that wasn't experimented with until mid-late DS9. But working perfectly on Discovery and presumably fitted to every ship they ever communicated with through it as well
Well it is meant to be a flagship right? So it would have all of the prototype tech, id say there must have been an issue with the spore drive, maybe a massive failure result indestruction of a ship that isnt as well prepared as the discovery"
Well that does happen, as we saw with the USS Glenn.
I'm not certain (id have to check on this) that the Discovery is actually a flagship. I understood it to be a testbed. More like the Oberth class science vessel equipped with the phasing cloak in TNG, though in this case it necessitated a full new ship (the Crossfield class IIRC) rather than a refit to an aging science vessel.
They actually could retcon a potential issue with the design of Discovery if they were to drop in that it was an adapted rushed design for testing purposes and based on a previously rejected design (as IRL it was).
This of course actually supports your argument better than mine, I realise. A flagship represents the best of currently available technology. A test barge represents currently in development technologies, prototypes as you say, which would not be fitted to a flagship which is designed to be as autonomous as possible and to endure millions of light years of travel.
The issue with your line of reasoning is that the destruction of the Glenn didn't dissuade UFP from pursuing the tech (understandably at a time of war) and by the time S1 has finished the tech appears to be near perfected, leaving little reason for it to be abandoned. The knowledge of the drive also extends to the Federation Council, and cannot be explained away as being contained by S31.
No, the only way this can be satisfactorily closed is if the network is in some way incapacitated either permanently or long enough that it covers up to and including the latest prime era events (TNG: All good things I'd think) |
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"Im quite a new trekkie tbh only been watching a year or so so i missing a lot of the back storu "
Ahh that's fair enough, our perspectives are a bit mismatched then, 20 year+ veteran of everything trek (I'm afraid haha) |
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"Im quite a new trekkie tbh only been watching a year or so so i missing a lot of the back storu
Ahh that's fair enough, our perspectives are a bit mismatched then, 20 year+ veteran of everything trek (I'm afraid haha) "
Ibe honestly only done enterprise( thougbt best place tostart, up to S5 of TBG and bits of voyager and DSP |
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"Im quite a new trekkie tbh only been watching a year or so so i missing a lot of the back storu
Ahh that's fair enough, our perspectives are a bit mismatched then, 20 year+ veteran of everything trek (I'm afraid haha)
Ibe honestly only done enterprise( thougbt best place tostart, up to S5 of TBG and bits of voyager and DSP"
I see, if I could offer some advice I'd say this, I'm not sure how much of enterprise you have done but I wouldn't do it first. It's not a bad show at all, and I can see the logic of where you are going with it but there are a few great episodes where if you have a watched it first you might not feel the full significance of them. S3 of Enterprise is for me the best season of any trek, any time, by a wide margin. A single story arc across the whole season (very like Discovery in fact) and some truly brilliant episodes that really do the darker side of Treks moral dilemmas justice.
TNG is pure awesomeness, pretty sure there are some amazing episodes in season 6, including Pegasus which I alluded to in my previous post.
DS9... Such a difficult series to rate because it is absolutely brilliant... After season 3 starts. Before that its terrible. The weakest opening season of any trek for me (accepting that they all have weak opening seasons) very different writing style, much more broad character driven plotlines, there's a lot to recommend.
Voyager... It's mostly monster of the week. Sometimes absolutely fantastic monster of the week, but nonetheless. It has some great episodes (Scorpion, Dragons Teeth, Endgame, Equinox, Tuvix, Parallax, The Void etc) but some absolute howlers as well (The 37's, anything involving Kes) |
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"Im quite a new trekkie tbh only been watching a year or so so i missing a lot of the back storu
Ahh that's fair enough, our perspectives are a bit mismatched then, 20 year+ veteran of everything trek (I'm afraid haha)
Ibe honestly only done enterprise( thougbt best place tostart, up to S5 of TBG and bits of voyager and DSP
I see, if I could offer some advice I'd say this, I'm not sure how much of enterprise you have done but I wouldn't do it first. It's not a bad show at all, and I can see the logic of where you are going with it but there are a few great episodes where if you have a watched it first you might not feel the full significance of them. S3 of Enterprise is for me the best season of any trek, any time, by a wide margin. A single story arc across the whole season (very like Discovery in fact) and some truly brilliant episodes that really do the darker side of Treks moral dilemmas justice.
TNG is pure awesomeness, pretty sure there are some amazing episodes in season 6, including Pegasus which I alluded to in my previous post.
DS9... Such a difficult series to rate because it is absolutely brilliant... After season 3 starts. Before that its terrible. The weakest opening season of any trek for me (accepting that they all have weak opening seasons) very different writing style, much more broad character driven plotlines, there's a lot to recommend.
Voyager... It's mostly monster of the week. Sometimes absolutely fantastic monster of the week, but nonetheless. It has some great episodes (Scorpion, Dragons Teeth, Endgame, Equinox, Tuvix, Parallax, The Void etc) but some absolute howlers as well (The 37's, anything involving Kes) "
Im the same with Q in Tng i hate him and i loved ENT but thought the atory arc in the expanse was a bit dragged out and exaggerated |
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I liked it. A lot. I'm not new to Trek but I liked how it took it somewhere fresh whilst in my opinion remaining true to the best of it. The twists were signposted early on but it didn't detract from them. And yes, I also managed to find a replica Disco. T shirt.  |
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She looked so plain and ordinary the rest of the time 