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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The prime minister of New Zealand- Jacinda Arden- recently announced her pregnancy. She will take 6 weeks of maternity leave then return to her job. Her husband will then be staying home to look after the baby.
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"The prime minister of New Zealand- Jacinda Arden- recently announced her pregnancy. She will take 6 weeks of maternity leave then return to her job. Her husband will then be staying home to look after the baby.
What are your thoughts on this?"
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I think it's great that maternity/paternity can be shared among both parents now. A few guys at work have done it because they are not the main bread winner or because our terms are better than their partners. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Good luck to them.
Its not something i would have done though despite me earning more than my then husband. I wanted to be with my children, i worked to pay the bills, not a career. |
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I hope she has an uncomplicated pregnancy .
I wouldn't have wanted to go back to work after six weeks. I was only just about recovered physically by then. Although I had a colleague who was at her desk the morning after giving birth.
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"My thoughts on a woman getting pregnant, then going back to work while hubby looks after the baby.
Lucky hubby, most dads don't always get the lyxury of spending all day with the baby."
That's true. It's a great opportunity for him to experience those early days, weeks and months. |
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Maternity leave is a great thing, as is shared parental leave - it's great that fathers can be primary carers. But...
What if she decides to take more than 6 weeks off?
And what if the person stepping into her shoes is not what the country wants - perhaps the country wouldn't have voted for her?
And what if there is an invasion? Or a sudden national or global disaster?
And of course the baby won't be breastfed for as long as the WHO recommend.
This thread needed some contrary opinion...
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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fair play to her.... and to be honest, new zealand isn't really going to go to hell without her at the helm for 6 weeks!!!!
you might want to see the interview she has done today for australia's "60 minutes" current affairs program....
she and her hubby come across really well.... the interviewer comes across as really creepy!!!
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"The prime minister of New Zealand- Jacinda Arden- recently announced her pregnancy. She will take 6 weeks of maternity leave then return to her job. Her husband will then be staying home to look after the baby.
What are your thoughts on this?"
My thoughts, she fit as fuck and id get her pregnant too, lucky bastard |
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"Maternity leave is a great thing, as is shared parental leave - it's great that fathers can be primary carers. But...
What if she decides to take more than 6 weeks off?
And what if the person stepping into her shoes is not what the country wants - perhaps the country wouldn't have voted for her?
And what if there is an invasion? Or a sudden national or global disaster?
And of course the baby won't be breastfed for as long as the WHO recommend.
This thread needed some contrary opinion...
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New Zealand has a proportional representation system and in the election her party (Labour) came second, a long way behind the centre right National Party. She only became pm by getting a coalition agreement with smaller parties with gave her government a slight majority over the Nationals. Thus its difficult to argue that the country. "voted for her" in any meaningful sense.
I assume Labours deputy leader will take over in her absence. I am sure he or she is perfectly capable. |
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"Maternity leave is a great thing, as is shared parental leave - it's great that fathers can be primary carers. But...
What if she decides to take more than 6 weeks off?
And what if the person stepping into her shoes is not what the country wants - perhaps the country wouldn't have voted for her?
And what if there is an invasion? Or a sudden national or global disaster?
And of course the baby won't be breastfed for as long as the WHO recommend.
This thread needed some contrary opinion...
New Zealand has a proportional representation system and in the election her party (Labour) came second, a long way behind the centre right National Party. She only became pm by getting a coalition agreement with smaller parties with gave her government a slight majority over the Nationals. Thus its difficult to argue that the country. "voted for her" in any meaningful sense.
I assume Labours deputy leader will take over in her absence. I am sure he or she is perfectly capable. "
This is true - well, I'll take for granted your summary of NZ's system.
I should have said "contrary argument" - it wasn't necessarily my opinion, but other things worth considering.
Overall, I think it's probably a good thing. As I'm 'right-on' like that. Lead by example and all that. And because a decent prime minister should have a decent cabinet and make decisions in consultation with Parliament. A comparison that just came to me is with the US, where, if an elderly president is elected, there's often a little discussion of how we'd be under the vice president. |
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"Maternity leave is a great thing, as is shared parental leave - it's great that fathers can be primary carers. But...
What if she decides to take more than 6 weeks off?
And what if the person stepping into her shoes is not what the country wants - perhaps the country wouldn't have voted for her?
And what if there is an invasion? Or a sudden national or global disaster?
And of course the baby won't be breastfed for as long as the WHO recommend.
This thread needed some contrary opinion...
New Zealand has a proportional representation system and in the election her party (Labour) came second, a long way behind the centre right National Party. She only became pm by getting a coalition agreement with smaller parties with gave her government a slight majority over the Nationals. Thus its difficult to argue that the country. "voted for her" in any meaningful sense.
I assume Labours deputy leader will take over in her absence. I am sure he or she is perfectly capable.
This is true - well, I'll take for granted your summary of NZ's system.
I should have said "contrary argument" - it wasn't necessarily my opinion, but other things worth considering.
Overall, I think it's probably a good thing. As I'm 'right-on' like that. Lead by example and all that. And because a decent prime minister should have a decent cabinet and make decisions in consultation with Parliament. A comparison that just came to me is with the US, where, if an elderly president is elected, there's often a little discussion of how we'd be under the vice president. "
I'm Westminster based systems like New Zealand and Britain, people vote for a party rather than an individual, hence there's nothing wrong with a new PM coming in without an election. Four of the last seven British pms got the job when their parties changed leaders between elections.
The US system is, as you say, different. There people vote for an individual as president, but also the vice president as an individual so they know who will take over if the president steps down. |
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"Maternity leave is a great thing, as is shared parental leave - it's great that fathers can be primary carers. But...
What if she decides to take more than 6 weeks off?
And what if the person stepping into her shoes is not what the country wants - perhaps the country wouldn't have voted for her?
And what if there is an invasion? Or a sudden national or global disaster?
And of course the baby won't be breastfed for as long as the WHO recommend.
This thread needed some contrary opinion...
New Zealand has a proportional representation system and in the election her party (Labour) came second, a long way behind the centre right National Party. She only became pm by getting a coalition agreement with smaller parties with gave her government a slight majority over the Nationals. Thus its difficult to argue that the country. "voted for her" in any meaningful sense.
I assume Labours deputy leader will take over in her absence. I am sure he or she is perfectly capable.
This is true - well, I'll take for granted your summary of NZ's system.
I should have said "contrary argument" - it wasn't necessarily my opinion, but other things worth considering.
Overall, I think it's probably a good thing. As I'm 'right-on' like that. Lead by example and all that. And because a decent prime minister should have a decent cabinet and make decisions in consultation with Parliament. A comparison that just came to me is with the US, where, if an elderly president is elected, there's often a little discussion of how we'd be under the vice president.
I'm Westminster based systems like New Zealand and Britain, people vote for a party rather than an individual, hence there's nothing wrong with a new PM coming in without an election. Four of the last seven British pms got the job when their parties changed leaders between elections.
The US system is, as you say, different. There people vote for an individual as president, but also the vice president as an individual so they know who will take over if the president steps down. "
Exactly - the point I was making, in both cases. But regarding the US, I was focusing on the similarity. |
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"I think it's great that maternity/paternity can be shared among both parents now. A few guys at work have done it because they are not the main bread winner or because our terms are better than their partners. "
Parental leave (in the UK) cannot be shared. Paternity leave remains at 2 weeks and any subsequent time is dependent on gifting of a proportional of the maternity leave.
This actually shows how backwards and sexist the UK is on this issue versus some other nations. |
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"She's lucky it's New Zealand, and not a real country. "
Must be virtual lamb that we ate on Saturday then...although come to think of it, we bought Welsh baa baa...so maybe NZ is a figment of the collective imagination... |
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"The prime minister of New Zealand- Jacinda Arden- recently announced her pregnancy. She will take 6 weeks of maternity leave then return to her job. Her husband will then be staying home to look after the baby.
What are your thoughts on this?"
He doesn't really have a career that will be inhibited by taking a break. She does. Makes sense if they don't want to use a nanny or grandparents for whatever reason. |
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"Brilliant that she is not ruining her career and the whole stereotyp has been broken, but who would stand in as leader of government whilst she was on maternity leave? "
The deputy leader...most government is run by bureaucrats, and most policy is by agreement. She will still be consulted on very important matters no doubt... |
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"Amazing in this day and age that a man being a house husband and looking after kids, still raises eyebrows.
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It's not though is it. Unless you think that 300,000 years of human development has left no impact on the biology and psychology of men. |
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"Brilliant that she is not ruining her career and the whole stereotyp has been broken, but who would stand in as leader of government whilst she was on maternity leave?
The deputy leader...most government is run by bureaucrats, and most policy is by agreement. She will still be consulted on very important matters no doubt..."
Just wondered whether she would still jave power in them 6 weeks to male decisions or would it be passed down, if its the latter it could cause problems |
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"Amazing in this day and age that a man being a house husband and looking after kids, still raises eyebrows.
It's not though is it. Unless you think that 300,000 years of human development has left no impact on the biology and psychology of men. "
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"Brilliant that she is not ruining her career and the whole stereotyp has been broken, but who would stand in as leader of government whilst she was on maternity leave?
The deputy leader...most government is run by bureaucrats, and most policy is by agreement. She will still be consulted on very important matters no doubt...
Just wondered whether she would still jave power in them 6 weeks to male decisions or would it be passed down, if its the latter it could cause problems"
How could it cause problems? It isn’t a despotic state? Democracy has many checks and balances and decisions usually take a long time. In a crisis there is some form of COBRA to make decisions anyway. |
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"Brilliant that she is not ruining her career and the whole stereotyp has been broken, but who would stand in as leader of government whilst she was on maternity leave?
The deputy leader...most government is run by bureaucrats, and most policy is by agreement. She will still be consulted on very important matters no doubt...
Just wondered whether she would still jave power in them 6 weeks to male decisions or would it be passed down, if its the latter it could cause problems
How could it cause problems? It isn’t a despotic state? Democracy has many checks and balances and decisions usually take a long time. In a crisis there is some form of COBRA to make decisions anyway."
Im probably wrong then. Believed if a situation occured where a decision needs to be made, but the successpr makes a different decision to the lady on maternity, shebwould have to potentially suffer any consequences |
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"If it is going to happen a country leader, better to happen one that is not important, and one that it wont matter etc etc."
Not really. There's no reason prime minister should be a job that is unworkable for new mothers. The country doesn't grind to a halt when they stop work to eat, sleep and shit - despite what the media would have you believe. The hard truth is that in that kind of job, your simply not doing it well once you go above 60-70 hours a week. |
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"I think it's great that maternity/paternity can be shared among both parents now. A few guys at work have done it because they are not the main bread winner or because our terms are better than their partners.
Parental leave (in the UK) cannot be shared. Paternity leave remains at 2 weeks and any subsequent time is dependent on gifting of a proportional of the maternity leave.
This actually shows how backwards and sexist the UK is on this issue versus some other nations."
http://m.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4911
Shared parental leave in the UK is available |
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"Sounds great in theory, whether it will be in practice remains to be seen.
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The "6 weeks" bit did remind me of a friend of ours who bought a piano in the latter stages of her pregnancy because she was going to learn the piano during her maternity leave... she never touched it. Babies don't like plans. |
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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago
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I had 9 weeks off with my 3rd son.
Would have been less if I had wanted.
I went in to labour 6am. Got to hospital at 8.30.
He was in my arms at 9 and we were home by lunch time.
I was lucky.
Congratulations to them and hope all goes well.
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