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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person. "
I think the same thing MOBO Awards do my nut in, most Pop Music these days comes under that label anyway. Most music fans know the origin of the genres, most amateur historians explore their preferred timelines as extensively as they can because they're hooked on the period. Adding the word Black to it.. or any other colour seems very bizarre to me.
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person. "
i'll give you an example......
how much "black history" is taught in schools?
if I was to mention mary seacole for example.... how many white people would know who she was without having to google?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
i'll give you an example......
how much "black history" is taught in schools?
if I was to mention mary seacole for example.... how many white people would know who she was without having to google? "
The answer to that.. is to make sure it is put into school.. in history, art, English, music, science.. etc. Inclusion not exclusion. |
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
i'll give you an example......
how much "black history" is taught in schools?
if I was to mention mary seacole for example.... how many white people would know who she was without having to google? "
I only knew about her from the kids show horrible histories how bad is that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
i'll give you an example......
how much "black history" is taught in schools?
if I was to mention mary seacole for example.... how many white people would know who she was without having to google?
I only knew about her from the kids show horrible histories how bad is that. "
Horrible Histories is awesome. At least kids are getting that information from somewhere |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
I think the same thing MOBO Awards do my nut in, most Pop Music these days comes under that label anyway. Most music fans know the origin of the genres, most amateur historians explore their preferred timelines as extensively as they can because they're hooked on the period. Adding the word Black to it.. or any other colour seems very bizarre to me.
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I agree about the MOBOS. With the exception of possibly bluegrass and some strands of folk, isn't all pop music "Music of Black Origin"? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
i'll give you an example......
how much "black history" is taught in schools?
if I was to mention mary seacole for example.... how many white people would know who she was without having to google? "
It should be just history, we all share a planet, we therefore share a history |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
i'll give you an example......
how much "black history" is taught in schools?
if I was to mention mary seacole for example.... how many white people would know who she was without having to google?
The answer to that.. is to make sure it is put into school.. in history, art, English, music, science.. etc. Inclusion not exclusion."
Whilst I agree with you - it isn't, and until it is, Black history month serves a purpose.
I've heard lots of sentiment expressed about how children should be taught "about Empire" and implicit in this is the assumption that it would generate national pride.
I'm assuming that this means removing the uncomfortable truths from "Empire" that I was taught when I was at school and returning to the jingoistic "look at what we conquered" "Empire" that was taught to my parent's generation. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I understand the points you've made Op but respectfully disagree.
Black history awareness initiatives have helped many members of society from all races appreciate the contribution of black people.
We were all taught and encouraged to celebrate Florence Nightingale, black history initiatives have helped more people learn about the bigger picture. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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History is taught different in every country. In Ireland we're told a version of the troubles between Ireland and Britain over 100s of years and from what I've seen from English people in particular online they're taught almost the opposite. Either that or they're making excuses for the empire haha but history isn't taught like maths or science etc. There's always a bias to it depending on where you live |
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"In the UK February is LBGT+ month.
I'm avoiding moaning so I will step away from this regular 'debate'.
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Apparently according to another thread it’s also cock sucking month  too many things to concentrate on in feb! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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The mobos and anything else that involves someone being the best black...... Feels like a conciliation prize, like a fucking pat on the head and being told "that's very good, for a black person" it's insulting, if I do something, and I strive to be as good as I can be, there's no way I'm going to settle for being the best of a small number of people the same shade of skin as me, if I'm going to compete, I'm going to compete with the very best, not just people who fit in the same little box that people like to put me in |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
i'll give you an example......
how much "black history" is taught in schools?
if I was to mention mary seacole for example.... how many white people would know who she was without having to google?
I only knew about her from the kids show horrible histories how bad is that.
Horrible Histories is awesome. At least kids are getting that information from somewhere"
I love Horrible Histories but most 'entertainment' history erases Black people. Look at Dunkirk.
Then there's Jeremy Vine describing 'Black Panther' as "overwhelmingly Black". It's going to be my new phrase for just about every other film from now on. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"History is taught different in every country. In Ireland we're told a version of the troubles between Ireland and Britain over 100s of years and from what I've seen from English people in particular online they're taught almost the opposite. Either that or they're making excuses for the empire haha but history isn't taught like maths or science etc. There's always a bias to it depending on where you live "
Unless things have changed, the answer is: in England we aren't taught about it at all, which is why so many don't understand what possible grievance the Irish could have with us, and are clearly therefore deranged terrorists. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I understand the points you've made Op but respectfully disagree.
Black history awareness initiatives have helped many members of society from all races appreciate the contribution of black people.
We were all taught and encouraged to celebrate Florence Nightingale, black history initiatives have helped more people learn about the bigger picture. "
A month isn't long enough to celebrate the achievements of my family, never mind all black people from year dot, teach history depending on the facts, not what month it is |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"The mobos and anything else that involves someone being the best black...... Feels like a conciliation prize, like a fucking pat on the head and being told "that's very good, for a black person" it's insulting, if I do something, and I strive to be as good as I can be, there's no way I'm going to settle for being the best of a small number of people the same shade of skin as me, if I'm going to compete, I'm going to compete with the very best, not just people who fit in the same little box that people like to put me in"
the MOBO's filled a gap... because before them the Brits didn't cover those categories at all..... in fact the Brits covered classical music better than it served black people
the Brits had to adapt... so in effect the Mobo's served their purpose.... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
i'll give you an example......
how much "black history" is taught in schools?
if I was to mention mary seacole for example.... how many white people would know who she was without having to google?
I only knew about her from the kids show horrible histories how bad is that.
Horrible Histories is awesome. At least kids are getting that information from somewhere
I love Horrible Histories but most 'entertainment' history erases Black people. Look at Dunkirk.
Then there's Jeremy Vine describing 'Black Panther' as "overwhelmingly Black". It's going to be my new phrase for just about every other film from now on. "
Overwhelmingly black, lol, that made me chuckle, that could be a specialist video that you find on porn sites    |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It should be just history, we all share a planet, we therefore share a history "
Should?
History is an account or story from the perspective of the victorious or the incumbents in power. I'm not sure that it can ever satisfy everyone because it would have to be written from all perspectives to achieve that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"History is taught different in every country. In Ireland we're told a version of the troubles between Ireland and Britain over 100s of years and from what I've seen from English people in particular online they're taught almost the opposite. Either that or they're making excuses for the empire haha but history isn't taught like maths or science etc. There's always a bias to it depending on where you live
Unless things have changed, the answer is: in England we aren't taught about it at all, which is why so many don't understand what possible grievance the Irish could have with us, and are clearly therefore deranged terrorists. "
Britain has a more expansive history than Ireland with the whole empire and world wars etc... A huge part of Irish history is its history with Britain, like its massive here. Anyway not trying to hack this thread I just tried to say that where ever you are it's likely "history" won't be the same. I've never been to a majority black country but I'd assume a huge part of their history curriculum would be about black people |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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It should be just history, we all share a planet, we therefore share a history
Should?
History is an account or story from the perspective of the victorious or the incumbents in power. I'm not sure that it can ever satisfy everyone because it would have to be written from all perspectives to achieve that."
Disagree - that's one way of interpreting history, others are a simple "timeline" approach, the Nietzchan approach ("Supermen" and how the powerful individual has shaped history) or Marxist (interpreting historical changes through the prism of the class struggle). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I understand the points you've made Op but respectfully disagree.
Black history awareness initiatives have helped many members of society from all races appreciate the contribution of black people.
We were all taught and encouraged to celebrate Florence Nightingale, black history initiatives have helped more people learn about the bigger picture. "
I agree with both of you.. until it's in the education system proper and is treated as normal, not something unique. Then the Black History months serve a purpose.
However, I also agree with Butler.. because I'm an amateur history nut and I just go for the period as a whole and don't wait for Black History month to find all the information I want.
Having said that, without some of the funding and awareness raised by having it as a special month.. I wonder if I'd have as many epic stories to track down.
I guess the Utopian Dreamer side of me feels like Butler does.
But my realist sides with you.
Now I'm conflicted |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"History is taught different in every country. In Ireland we're told a version of the troubles between Ireland and Britain over 100s of years and from what I've seen from English people in particular online they're taught almost the opposite. Either that or they're making excuses for the empire haha but history isn't taught like maths or science etc. There's always a bias to it depending on where you live
Unless things have changed, the answer is: in England we aren't taught about it at all, which is why so many don't understand what possible grievance the Irish could have with us, and are clearly therefore deranged terrorists.
Britain has a more expansive history than Ireland with the whole empire and world wars etc... A huge part of Irish history is its history with Britain, like its massive here. Anyway not trying to hack this thread I just tried to say that where ever you are it's likely "history" won't be the same. I've never been to a majority black country but I'd assume a huge part of their history curriculum would be about black people "
It is for the reason that I have Irish relations that it struck me so much as a schoolboy. I had to go out and read about it on my own time.
We touched upon Ireland briefly within the context of Cromwell, that was about it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The mobos and anything else that involves someone being the best black...... Feels like a conciliation prize, like a fucking pat on the head and being told "that's very good, for a black person" it's insulting, if I do something, and I strive to be as good as I can be, there's no way I'm going to settle for being the best of a small number of people the same shade of skin as me, if I'm going to compete, I'm going to compete with the very best, not just people who fit in the same little box that people like to put me in
the MOBO's filled a gap... because before them the Brits didn't cover those categories at all..... in fact the Brits covered classical music better than it served black people
the Brits had to adapt... so in effect the Mobo's served their purpose...."
The brits were useless in general, but I feel like while once there was a need to break artists of colour through (in the 50s white artists would regularly cover black artists songs, and take all credit) but now not so much |
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"The mobos and anything else that involves someone being the best black...... Feels like a conciliation prize, like a fucking pat on the head and being told "that's very good, for a black person" it's insulting, if I do something, and I strive to be as good as I can be, there's no way I'm going to settle for being the best of a small number of people the same shade of skin as me, if I'm going to compete, I'm going to compete with the very best, not just people who fit in the same little box that people like to put me in
the MOBO's filled a gap... because before them the Brits didn't cover those categories at all..... in fact the Brits covered classical music better than it served black people
the Brits had to adapt... so in effect the Mobo's served their purpose...."
Would you say we still need the MOBOs now though Fabio? I'm lost now.. I thought I knew the answers to the question.. but reading other opinions.. I'm not sure I do. |
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"History is taught different in every country. In Ireland we're told a version of the troubles between Ireland and Britain over 100s of years and from what I've seen from English people in particular online they're taught almost the opposite. Either that or they're making excuses for the empire haha but history isn't taught like maths or science etc. There's always a bias to it depending on where you live
Unless things have changed, the answer is: in England we aren't taught about it at all, which is why so many don't understand what possible grievance the Irish could have with us, and are clearly therefore deranged terrorists.
Britain has a more expansive history than Ireland with the whole empire and world wars etc... A huge part of Irish history is its history with Britain, like its massive here. Anyway not trying to hack this thread I just tried to say that where ever you are it's likely "history" won't be the same. I've never been to a majority black country but I'd assume a huge part of their history curriculum would be about black people
It is for the reason that I have Irish relations that it struck me so much as a schoolboy. I had to go out and read about it on my own time.
We touched upon Ireland briefly within the context of Cromwell, that was about it. "
I think everyone in Ireland has a relative or friends in Britain these days now haha and fair play for your independent study into that part of history |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"History is taught different in every country. In Ireland we're told a version of the troubles between Ireland and Britain over 100s of years and from what I've seen from English people in particular online they're taught almost the opposite. Either that or they're making excuses for the empire haha but history isn't taught like maths or science etc. There's always a bias to it depending on where you live
Unless things have changed, the answer is: in England we aren't taught about it at all, which is why so many don't understand what possible grievance the Irish could have with us, and are clearly therefore deranged terrorists.
Britain has a more expansive history than Ireland with the whole empire and world wars etc... A huge part of Irish history is its history with Britain, like its massive here. Anyway not trying to hack this thread I just tried to say that where ever you are it's likely "history" won't be the same. I've never been to a majority black country but I'd assume a huge part of their history curriculum would be about black people
It is for the reason that I have Irish relations that it struck me so much as a schoolboy. I had to go out and read about it on my own time.
We touched upon Ireland briefly within the context of Cromwell, that was about it.
I think everyone in Ireland has a relative or friends in Britain these days now haha and fair play for your independent study into that part of history "
I'm from the Greater Manchester area originally. It's compulsory. |
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"I agree op
What does this have to do with anything?
Colour , creed, sexuality, who cares!!
So long as your a decent soul that’s what counts  "
It shouldn't matter.. but as every post about racism on here tells us.. it does... unfortunately 
So until it doesn't matter.. I guess we do need people fighting to bring forgotten and smothered stories to light. |
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By *educedWoman
over a year ago
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person. "
I remember way back when when my children were very small (my eldest is 29 now) their school having an event to celebrate/, educate Black History by offering dumpling and rice and peas (frozen green peas), to random parents who'd bothered to turn up. Most had turned up for free food.
My children know about their heritage and their culture because their father and I taught them. The establishment are very selective in what they teach.
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"I agree op
What does this have to do with anything?
Colour , creed, sexuality, who cares!!
So long as your a decent soul that’s what counts
It shouldn't matter.. but as every post about racism on here tells us.. it does... unfortunately
Yep you got a point there
So until it doesn't matter.. I guess we do need people fighting to bring forgotten and smothered stories to light."
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
I think the same thing MOBO Awards do my nut in, most Pop Music these days comes under that label anyway. Most music fans know the origin of the genres, most amateur historians explore their preferred timelines as extensively as they can because they're hooked on the period. Adding the word Black to it.. or any other colour seems very bizarre to me.
I agree about the MOBOS. With the exception of possibly bluegrass and some strands of folk, isn't all pop music "Music of Black Origin"?"
That's s common belief, but again it's patronisingly inaccurate.
Yes certainly black music has fundamentally influenced modern music and lots of genres, but the instruments and musical scales etc are European or eastern in origin.
Even the finest blues musicians used Gibson guitars and scales that are European in origin. It's a complicated and fascinating evolution, but it's a tad patronising IMHO to attribute all music and genres to any one demographic. |
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
I think the same thing MOBO Awards do my nut in, most Pop Music these days comes under that label anyway. Most music fans know the origin of the genres, most amateur historians explore their preferred timelines as extensively as they can because they're hooked on the period. Adding the word Black to it.. or any other colour seems very bizarre to me.
I agree about the MOBOS. With the exception of possibly bluegrass and some strands of folk, isn't all pop music "Music of Black Origin"?
That's s common belief, but again it's patronisingly inaccurate.
Yes certainly black music has fundamentally influenced modern music and lots of genres, but the instruments and musical scales etc are European or eastern in origin.
Even the finest blues musicians used Gibson guitars and scales that are European in origin. It's a complicated and fascinating evolution, but it's a tad patronising IMHO to attribute all music and genres to any one demographic."
Like I said.. most fans know their genres origins. If it's Pop Music.. Who really cares? Big labels will steal from everyone with equality. |
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"I agree op
What does this have to do with anything?
Colour , creed, sexuality, who cares!!
So long as your a decent soul that’s what counts
It shouldn't matter.. but as every post about racism on here tells us.. it does... unfortunately
So until it doesn't matter.. I guess we do need people fighting to bring forgotten and smothered stories to light."
I agree.
In my opinion, unless this is done proactively with initiatives such as black history month then the less proactive majority simply will never be aware.
It helps to trigger the interest.
A personal specific benefit to me was that it helped trigger my own research into the Asian soldiers who fought for Britain in the trenches during WW1.
My initial interest was the stories of West Indian and African soldiers in the trenches highlighted by the black history initiative. It led to my interest in the history of another race. Stories that still are not taught in our schools.
If it was common knowledge that more than 400,000 Asian muslim soldiers fought for Britain in WW1 then maybe we'd have a little more tolerance. |
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"I agree op
What does this have to do with anything?
Colour , creed, sexuality, who cares!!
So long as your a decent soul that’s what counts
It shouldn't matter.. but as every post about racism on here tells us.. it does... unfortunately
So until it doesn't matter.. I guess we do need people fighting to bring forgotten and smothered stories to light.
I agree.
In my opinion, unless this is done proactively with initiatives such as black history month then the less proactive majority simply will never be aware.
It helps to trigger the interest.
A personal specific benefit to me was that it helped trigger my own research into the Asian soldiers who fought for Britain in the trenches during WW1.
My initial interest was the stories of West Indian and African soldiers in the trenches highlighted by the black history initiative. It led to my interest in the history of another race. Stories that still are not taught in our schools.
If it was common knowledge that more than 400,000 Asian muslim soldiers fought for Britain in WW1 then maybe we'd have a little more tolerance. "
I have great joy reminding every Islamaphobe who brings it up when they find out I was in Iraq. "Bloody Muslims" Erm... No pal.. you forget WW1.. "Bloody Polish" Again pal.. What about WW2, when they helped defend our island and then Churchill fucked them over with Stalin. 
We don't get taught any of this in school and it's a fucking disgrace.
Same goes for the lads who were discussing the Ireland issue.
I'm quite proud to say my favourite current bit of History has nothing to do with my own culture in any way at all, The Mighty Mongol Empire, largest land Empire of them all. It's leading me into Chinese History. Things our own education treats as if it doesn't exist. We may touch on the Crusades in GCSEs.. but you don't get taught that we'd probably have had our butts handed to us if it wasn't for the holocaust inflicted on Islam by the Mongols. If Genghis had lived a little longer and his 3rd son Ogedai hadn't died early.. Europe, the Middle East and Asia would be totally different places than they are today.
Ok.. for now.. My brain is with you, but my Heart wants to live like the Butler - I'll leave it at that.. I get the best of both worlds then |
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
i'll give you an example......
how much "black history" is taught in schools?
if I was to mention mary seacole for example.... how many white people would know who she was without having to google?
It should be just history, we all share a planet, we therefore share a history "
But we don't. That's why we start with BHM |
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"Why is it still a thing?
No one wants it, no one needs it, it's like saying to black people "right, it's February the first, do all your history stuff over the next 28 days, then shut up about it".
It's not even like it's the longest of months, history should be year round, not just a month for you, then a month for you over there.
I get it that who ever comes up with this stuff is trying to be nice, but I'd rather have no black history month, than be patronised, and "allowed" to mark the achievements of Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Bob Marley.
The lives of the aforementioned would be better celebrated, if we stopped driving a big wedge between people and allowed racial discrimination and division to die and be consigned to history.
There's a beautiful thought, racist history month, where we look back and laugh at the primitive minds that saw people as a colour rather than a person.
i'll give you an example......
how much "black history" is taught in schools?
if I was to mention mary seacole for example.... how many white people would know who she was without having to google?
The answer to that.. is to make sure it is put into school.. in history, art, English, music, science.. etc. Inclusion not exclusion.
Whilst I agree with you - it isn't, and until it is, Black history month serves a purpose.
I've heard lots of sentiment expressed about how children should be taught "about Empire" and implicit in this is the assumption that it would generate national pride.
I'm assuming that this means removing the uncomfortable truths from "Empire" that I was taught when I was at school and returning to the jingoistic "look at what we conquered" "Empire" that was taught to my parent's generation. "
I really wish the whole story of Empire was taught in school.. yes we did this, we did that, invented this and made that.. But at what cost children? Let's look at the flip side.. We got here through rage and pillage.. Is that something you really want to be proud of? Guess what kids.. now we're going to mix your history with a little modern geo-politics and a bit of sociology.. Now do you understand why the world is such a fucked up place?
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