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"Total waste of money, Last I drove to Heathrow and back in the day if you had an electric car you get to about Birmingham then it would die" Unless you were going to Birmingham then it’s be great. They’re perfect for some, not for other. Drove the Tesla and bmw i8, both nice cars | |||
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"I have driven one, and was impressed, its down side is its range of travel on one charge. 80 miles. Great car if you work and travel locally to home." New battery set gives it up to 170 miles | |||
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"Total waste of money, Last I drove to Heathrow and back in the day if you had an electric car you get to about Birmingham then it would die" I’m not planning on driving to London or Birmimgham in it  | |||
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"with the leaf it is probably 2 years off being a good real world option.... at the moment the new one just comes in a 40kw battery option..... but they are saying the 2019/2020 versions may come with a 60kw battery option.... once that happens...much further real world mileage... and it will be game on!" Currently leafs are useless for any medium distance driving. When the wipers, lights and heating are on the range differs. They can only just about manage an 80 mile trip | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? " Well considering the date has been set when the sale of new diesel and petrol cars will be banned in Europe and the UK (2040), and considering nearly all product development from manufacturers is in electric, I'd have to say yes. In 20 years time petrol and diesel cars will be a rarety. Battery life / range is rapidly developing, and in a few years you'll be able to drive the length of the UK on a single charge. So like them or not, it's inevitable. People who try and deny it are the ones who used to say the internet would never catch on. | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Well considering the date has been set when the sale of new diesel and petrol cars will be banned in Europe and the UK (2040), and considering nearly all product development from manufacturers is in electric, I'd have to say yes. In 20 years time petrol and diesel cars will be a rarety. Battery life / range is rapidly developing, and in a few years you'll be able to drive the length of the UK on a single charge. So like them or not, it's inevitable. People who try and deny it are the ones who used to say the internet would never catch on." electric roads are already a thing ... kind of big scalextric ... coupled with solar roads like they've started to lay down in holland ... maybe batteries will just be a small stepping stone | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Well considering the date has been set when the sale of new diesel and petrol cars will be banned in Europe and the UK (2040), and considering nearly all product development from manufacturers is in electric, I'd have to say yes. In 20 years time petrol and diesel cars will be a rarety. Battery life / range is rapidly developing, and in a few years you'll be able to drive the length of the UK on a single charge. So like them or not, it's inevitable. People who try and deny it are the ones who used to say the internet would never catch on. electric roads are already a thing ... kind of big scalextric ... coupled with solar roads like they've started to lay down in holland ... maybe batteries will just be a small stepping stone " Like what they have in the States? | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? " Not until they can sort out rapid charging, particularly for people living in flats or street properties with no private driveway. | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Not until they can sort out rapid charging, particularly for people living in flats or street properties with no private driveway. " see wireless charging roads ... already a thing | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Not until they can sort out rapid charging, particularly for people living in flats or street properties with no private driveway. " I wondered about that too! So much to consider with all the charging and the amount of charging units required if we are all using electric cars | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? " Nope, I think future cars will work on electromagnets instead. | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Nope, I think future cars will work on electromagnets instead." Electromagnets? Please explain | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Nope, I think future cars will work on electromagnets instead." i agree ... frictionless transport using ceramic super-conductor technology | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Nope, I think future cars will work on electromagnets instead. Electromagnets? Please explain " google maglev | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Nope, I think future cars will work on electromagnets instead. Electromagnets? Please explain " Type in Maglev train in google, it will do better at explaining | |||
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"Total waste of money, Last I drove to Heathrow and back in the day if you had an electric car you get to about Birmingham then it would die" They’re town/short range commuting cars. If you’re doing that sort of mileage then it’s your own fault for buying an inappropriate car. | |||
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"Total waste of money, Last I drove to Heathrow and back in the day if you had an electric car you get to about Birmingham then it would die They’re town/short range commuting cars. If you’re doing that sort of mileage then it’s your own fault for buying an inappropriate car. " New tesla roadster has a range of 500+ miles. That's hardly a short commute. Yes I know it's super expensive but give it a few years and it will become the standard. | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Not until they can sort out rapid charging, particularly for people living in flats or street properties with no private driveway. I wondered about that too! So much to consider with all the charging and the amount of charging units required if we are all using electric cars "https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/811064/Renault-electric-car-wireless-charging-roads | |||
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"Electric cars are not the solution to the environment problem .they've just moved the problem sideways . 94% of the batteries cannot be recycled . just wait till there is a mountain of batteries stockpiled all over the place .another great idea ....not .the range of the leaf is pathetic 85 miles . that recent case of that woman who was driving her leaf .it cost her a fortune to have hers removed off the motorway . her gauge said she had 21% battery life left when in fact she had none .well done Nissan . " The battery problem is where Elon Musk comes in. If his work can ensure they are sustainable, and can be made in a sustainable way, then we're more likely to move to electric cars. My issue at the moment is that it just transfers the emissions to power plants and I'm not sure we have the capacity in our current power plants to cope with that. | |||
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"Electric cars are not the solution to the environment problem .they've just moved the problem sideways . 94% of the batteries cannot be recycled . just wait till there is a mountain of batteries stockpiled all over the place .another great idea ....not .the range of the leaf is pathetic 85 miles . that recent case of that woman who was driving her leaf .it cost her a fortune to have hers removed off the motorway . her gauge said she had 21% battery life left when in fact she had none .well done Nissan . The battery problem is where Elon Musk comes in. If his work can ensure they are sustainable, and can be made in a sustainable way, then we're more likely to move to electric cars. My issue at the moment is that it just transfers the emissions to power plants and I'm not sure we have the capacity in our current power plants to cope with that. " this is where maglev comes in ... most energy of cars is used to overcome friction, including electric cars ... if there is no friction then only tiny amounts of energy are requied to achieve forward motion | |||
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"Electric cars are not the solution to the environment problem .they've just moved the problem sideways . 94% of the batteries cannot be recycled . just wait till there is a mountain of batteries stockpiled all over the place .another great idea ....not .the range of the leaf is pathetic 85 miles . that recent case of that woman who was driving her leaf .it cost her a fortune to have hers removed off the motorway . her gauge said she had 21% battery life left when in fact she had none .well done Nissan . The battery problem is where Elon Musk comes in. If his work can ensure they are sustainable, and can be made in a sustainable way, then we're more likely to move to electric cars. My issue at the moment is that it just transfers the emissions to power plants and I'm not sure we have the capacity in our current power plants to cope with that. this is where maglev comes in ... most energy of cars is used to overcome friction, including electric cars ... if there is no friction then only tiny amounts of energy are requied to achieve forward motion" I can see that but that's not what the Leaf or others do yet. Isn't there something about microwaves too, or is that just trains? | |||
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"Electric cars are not the solution to the environment problem .they've just moved the problem sideways . 94% of the batteries cannot be recycled . just wait till there is a mountain of batteries stockpiled all over the place .another great idea ....not .the range of the leaf is pathetic 85 miles . that recent case of that woman who was driving her leaf .it cost her a fortune to have hers removed off the motorway . her gauge said she had 21% battery life left when in fact she had none .well done Nissan . The battery problem is where Elon Musk comes in. If his work can ensure they are sustainable, and can be made in a sustainable way, then we're more likely to move to electric cars. My issue at the moment is that it just transfers the emissions to power plants and I'm not sure we have the capacity in our current power plants to cope with that. this is where maglev comes in ... most energy of cars is used to overcome friction, including electric cars ... if there is no friction then only tiny amounts of energy are requied to achieve forward motion I can see that but that's not what the Leaf or others do yet. Isn't there something about microwaves too, or is that just trains? " there are microwave theories coming into play ... the leaf doesn't use maglev but the leaf will become defunct tech very quickly .... it's like calculators being the step between vintage adding machines with handles you'd pull and modern mobile phones .... calculators only lasted about a decade or so | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Well considering the date has been set when the sale of new diesel and petrol cars will be banned in Europe and the UK (2040), and considering nearly all product development from manufacturers is in electric, I'd have to say yes. In 20 years time petrol and diesel cars will be a rarety. Battery life / range is rapidly developing, and in a few years you'll be able to drive the length of the UK on a single charge. So like them or not, it's inevitable. People who try and deny it are the ones who used to say the internet would never catch on." Thought it was cars solely powered by petrol or diesel that were being banned. Hybrids will still be available but I bet the cost of fuel will start to rocket | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? " Not a chance, the technology is flawed due to battery technology not being there and limited lifespan so they will be scrap after 6 - 7 years. Costly tat. | |||
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"always wondered the cost of charging and replacement batteries" carry on wondering because there's some widly over the top claims on this thread lol | |||
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"Don't those fuckers burn though! When everyone's driving electric cars those fireman are gonna be busy boys! Especially in the quarantine area.. "A woman in a hybrid pumped petrol into her charging port like a dick head and burned out her entire car at the fuel station/supermarket near here not long back. I mean, who'd have thought petrol and electricity needed better separation because end users are idiots? God knows how many other oversights there are. I'd have thought it was a given seeing how ridiculously thick so many people are. I'll wait till petrol/diesel are banned and then see what happens...till then, absolutely no thanks to electric or hybrid. | |||
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"I'd love to see 1 burn. A v6 will alway turn me on more than 12v." Hybrid went up by here bit long back..left a pissy little melted shell as it was mostly plastic and cheap shit lightweight materials that just went up like so much tinder. Wonder how much carbon that produced? | |||
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"Total waste of money, Last I drove to Heathrow and back in the day if you had an electric car you get to about Birmingham then it would die Unless you were going to Birmingham then it’s be great. They’re perfect for some, not for other. Drove the Tesla and bmw i8, both nice cars " Tesla model x amazing car! nobody has ever laughed or taken the piss out of mine | |||
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"Total waste of money, Last I drove to Heathrow and back in the day if you had an electric car you get to about Birmingham then it would die They’re town/short range commuting cars. If you’re doing that sort of mileage then it’s your own fault for buying an inappropriate car. New tesla roadster has a range of 500+ miles. That's hardly a short commute. Yes I know it's super expensive but give it a few years and it will become the standard." well i am still on the model 3 waiting list.... been told to expect mine mid/late 19.... they do an extended range model 3 which will get somewhere in the region of 300-400 miles real world out of it.... | |||
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"Total waste of money, Last I drove to Heathrow and back in the day if you had an electric car you get to about Birmingham then it would die They’re town/short range commuting cars. If you’re doing that sort of mileage then it’s your own fault for buying an inappropriate car. New tesla roadster has a range of 500+ miles. That's hardly a short commute. Yes I know it's super expensive but give it a few years and it will become the standard. well i am still on the model 3 waiting list.... been told to expect mine mid/late 19.... they do an extended range model 3 which will get somewhere in the region of 300-400 miles real world out of it...." How much is that? | |||
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"As someone who works in the fuel industry, electric and hybrid cars are not the answer, neither are fissile fuels. Let me explain. Electric cars, the infrastructure of our road network cannot support charging stations if we all had to switch to electric vehicles, the electricity grid couldn’t cope either. New means of power would be needed to support this, such as nuclear, then what’s the point? Hybrids, they are not ecconomically viable, their m.p.g is awfull, you still need carbon fuel technology to generate power! Diesel and gas : Same old issues Hydrogen looks promising, but it’s very expensive and difficult to split hydrogen from other gasses, There is no alternatives yet, that actually may work!!" we've already established that there will be no need for charging points in lats nights post ... read through the whole thread | |||
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"Total waste of money, Last I drove to Heathrow and back in the day if you had an electric car you get to about Birmingham then it would die They’re town/short range commuting cars. If you’re doing that sort of mileage then it’s your own fault for buying an inappropriate car. New tesla roadster has a range of 500+ miles. That's hardly a short commute. Yes I know it's super expensive but give it a few years and it will become the standard. well i am still on the model 3 waiting list.... been told to expect mine mid/late 19.... they do an extended range model 3 which will get somewhere in the region of 300-400 miles real world out of it.... How much is that? " before "brexit" it was going to end up costing somewhere around 20,000 after the EV discount (which was going to be around 4k) now its going to cost closer around 23 for the normal and 30 for the extended range..... | |||
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"Total waste of money, Last I drove to Heathrow and back in the day if you had an electric car you get to about Birmingham then it would die They’re town/short range commuting cars. If you’re doing that sort of mileage then it’s your own fault for buying an inappropriate car. New tesla roadster has a range of 500+ miles. That's hardly a short commute. Yes I know it's super expensive but give it a few years and it will become the standard. well i am still on the model 3 waiting list.... been told to expect mine mid/late 19.... they do an extended range model 3 which will get somewhere in the region of 300-400 miles real world out of it.... How much is that? before "brexit" it was going to end up costing somewhere around 20,000 after the EV discount (which was going to be around 4k) now its going to cost closer around 23 for the normal and 30 for the extended range....." Jeez. I should have tried harder at school.  | |||
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"As someone who works in the fuel industry, electric and hybrid cars are not the answer, neither are fissile fuels. Let me explain. Electric cars, the infrastructure of our road network cannot support charging stations if we all had to switch to electric vehicles, the electricity grid couldn’t cope either. New means of power would be needed to support this, such as nuclear, then what’s the point? Hybrids, they are not ecconomically viable, their m.p.g is awfull, you still need carbon fuel technology to generate power! Diesel and gas : Same old issues Hydrogen looks promising, but it’s very expensive and difficult to split hydrogen from other gasses, There is no alternatives yet, that actually may work!! we've already established that there will be no need for charging points in lats nights post ... read through the whole thread" Who ever said that is completely ignorant to actual facts There will be a need for charging points no matter what anyone has told you in the thread, stop and think how many vehicles are on the road, heavy goods, vans. You think they are all going to drive home to be charged? And where do you honestly think all this spare energy to charge all these vehicles is going to come from!!! I did say I work in the fuel industry, but hey what do I know!!  | |||
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"As someone who works in the fuel industry, electric and hybrid cars are not the answer, neither are fissile fuels. Let me explain. Electric cars, the infrastructure of our road network cannot support charging stations if we all had to switch to electric vehicles, the electricity grid couldn’t cope either. New means of power would be needed to support this, such as nuclear, then what’s the point? Hybrids, they are not ecconomically viable, their m.p.g is awfull, you still need carbon fuel technology to generate power! Diesel and gas : Same old issues Hydrogen looks promising, but it’s very expensive and difficult to split hydrogen from other gasses, There is no alternatives yet, that actually may work!! we've already established that there will be no need for charging points in lats nights post ... read through the whole thread Who ever said that is completely ignorant to actual facts There will be a need for charging points no matter what anyone has told you in the thread, stop and think how many vehicles are on the road, heavy goods, vans. You think they are all going to drive home to be charged? And where do you honestly think all this spare energy to charge all these vehicles is going to come from!!! I did say I work in the fuel industry, but hey what do I know!! "nothing by the look of it | |||
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"As someone who works in the fuel industry, electric and hybrid cars are not the answer, neither are fissile fuels. Let me explain. Electric cars, the infrastructure of our road network cannot support charging stations if we all had to switch to electric vehicles, the electricity grid couldn’t cope either. New means of power would be needed to support this, such as nuclear, then what’s the point? Hybrids, they are not ecconomically viable, their m.p.g is awfull, you still need carbon fuel technology to generate power! Diesel and gas : Same old issues Hydrogen looks promising, but it’s very expensive and difficult to split hydrogen from other gasses, There is no alternatives yet, that actually may work!! we've already established that there will be no need for charging points in lats nights post ... read through the whole thread Who ever said that is completely ignorant to actual facts There will be a need for charging points no matter what anyone has told you in the thread, stop and think how many vehicles are on the road, heavy goods, vans. You think they are all going to drive home to be charged? And where do you honestly think all this spare energy to charge all these vehicles is going to come from!!! I did say I work in the fuel industry, but hey what do I know!!
nothing by the look of it"Come on then Einstein you divulge your expanse of wisdom for us all | |||
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"As someone who works in the fuel industry, electric and hybrid cars are not the answer, neither are fissile fuels. Let me explain. Electric cars, the infrastructure of our road network cannot support charging stations if we all had to switch to electric vehicles, the electricity grid couldn’t cope either. New means of power would be needed to support this, such as nuclear, then what’s the point? Hybrids, they are not ecconomically viable, their m.p.g is awfull, you still need carbon fuel technology to generate power! Diesel and gas : Same old issues Hydrogen looks promising, but it’s very expensive and difficult to split hydrogen from other gasses, There is no alternatives yet, that actually may work!! we've already established that there will be no need for charging points in lats nights post ... read through the whole thread Who ever said that is completely ignorant to actual facts There will be a need for charging points no matter what anyone has told you in the thread, stop and think how many vehicles are on the road, heavy goods, vans. You think they are all going to drive home to be charged? And where do you honestly think all this spare energy to charge all these vehicles is going to come from!!! I did say I work in the fuel industry, but hey what do I know!!
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"As someone who works in the fuel industry, electric and hybrid cars are not the answer, neither are fissile fuels. Let me explain. Electric cars, the infrastructure of our road network cannot support charging stations if we all had to switch to electric vehicles, the electricity grid couldn’t cope either. New means of power would be needed to support this, such as nuclear, then what’s the point? Hybrids, they are not ecconomically viable, their m.p.g is awfull, you still need carbon fuel technology to generate power! Diesel and gas : Same old issues Hydrogen looks promising, but it’s very expensive and difficult to split hydrogen from other gasses, There is no alternatives yet, that actually may work!! we've already established that there will be no need for charging points in lats nights post ... read through the whole thread Who ever said that is completely ignorant to actual facts There will be a need for charging points no matter what anyone has told you in the thread, stop and think how many vehicles are on the road, heavy goods, vans. You think they are all going to drive home to be charged? And where do you honestly think all this spare energy to charge all these vehicles is going to come from!!! I did say I work in the fuel industry, but hey what do I know!!
nothing by the look of it
Come on then Einstein you divulge your expanse of wisdom for us all
read the thread sugar"Don’t call me sugar I don’t know you Don’t be so arrogant!! As for the thread I stick to what I know and have read directly from the APEA If you don’t agree, fine no issues, after all it’s about opinions. | |||
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"As someone who works in the fuel industry, electric and hybrid cars are not the answer, neither are fissile fuels. Let me explain. Electric cars, the infrastructure of our road network cannot support charging stations if we all had to switch to electric vehicles, the electricity grid couldn’t cope either. New means of power would be needed to support this, such as nuclear, then what’s the point? Hybrids, they are not ecconomically viable, their m.p.g is awfull, you still need carbon fuel technology to generate power! Diesel and gas : Same old issues Hydrogen looks promising, but it’s very expensive and difficult to split hydrogen from other gasses, There is no alternatives yet, that actually may work!! we've already established that there will be no need for charging points in lats nights post ... read through the whole thread Who ever said that is completely ignorant to actual facts There will be a need for charging points no matter what anyone has told you in the thread, stop and think how many vehicles are on the road, heavy goods, vans. You think they are all going to drive home to be charged? And where do you honestly think all this spare energy to charge all these vehicles is going to come from!!! I did say I work in the fuel industry, but hey what do I know!!
nothing by the look of it
Come on then Einstein you divulge your expanse of wisdom for us all
read the thread sugar
Don’t call me sugar
I don’t know you
Don’t be so arrogant!!
As for the thread I stick to what I know and have read directly from the APEA
If you don’t agree, fine no issues, after all it’s about opinions. "i thought you were starting with the pet names whn you called me einstein to be fair ... i se you were just being nasty as for the thread, i'll leave you continue to use some self appointed spokespeople of the petrol industry to be your sole source of information on the subject | |||
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"The future will be electric because the Chinese and Germans have decided that it will be sooner rather than later. In the short term it does shift the problem, but it shifts it from where you and your children inhale it to somewhere significantly further away. Over time, this will be a progressively smaller problem as less polluting power generation becomes available. Hydrogen power most likely to be used by heavy transport as the additional mass and volume of a pressurised tank is sensible at that scale. Alternatively, we do what the USA is doing and try to live in the past and get left behind at a critical point in technological development..." Isn't a bi-product of hydrogen power cells water vapour? One of the biggest contributers to climate change. | |||
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"The future will be electric because the Chinese and Germans have decided that it will be sooner rather than later. In the short term it does shift the problem, but it shifts it from where you and your children inhale it to somewhere significantly further away. Over time, this will be a progressively smaller problem as less polluting power generation becomes available. Hydrogen power most likely to be used by heavy transport as the additional mass and volume of a pressurised tank is sensible at that scale. Alternatively, we do what the USA is doing and try to live in the past and get left behind at a critical point in technological development... Isn't a bi-product of hydrogen power cells water vapour? One of the biggest contributers to climate change. " In the upper atmosphere as aircraft condensation trails it reflects heat back. We don't have flying cars yet. A little knowledge is dangerous. | |||
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"great idea esp ...if u live in tower block on tenth floor ....get a long extension lead ....just a fad by tree huggers and rich twats who think they saving planet ....but truck on u will love it when the bats don't do the miles stated and u get stuck" There is a form that's developed chargers that can be retrofitted to lamp posts. The necessary steps aren't fantastical. Just because you haven't thought of a solution doesn't mean one isn't possible. | |||
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"The future will be electric because the Chinese and Germans have decided that it will be sooner rather than later. In the short term it does shift the problem, but it shifts it from where you and your children inhale it to somewhere significantly further away. Over time, this will be a progressively smaller problem as less polluting power generation becomes available. Hydrogen power most likely to be used by heavy transport as the additional mass and volume of a pressurised tank is sensible at that scale. Alternatively, we do what the USA is doing and try to live in the past and get left behind at a critical point in technological development... Isn't a bi-product of hydrogen power cells water vapour? One of the biggest contributers to climate change. In the upper atmosphere as aircraft condensation trails it reflects heat back. We don't have flying cars yet. A little knowledge is dangerous." Wouldn't it condensate into clouds then? | |||
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"My old man sold his 911 and got a leaf
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"great so everyone will park by lamp-posts ....as if parking is not bad enough already" paupers from tower blocks in kent won't be able to afford cars by 2021 so you should stop worrying about it chap | |||
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"great so everyone will park by lamp-posts ....as if parking is not bad enough already paupers from tower blocks in kent won't be able to afford cars by 2021 so you should stop worrying about it chap" True. It looks like the end of the third or fourth hand car market. | |||
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"The future will be electric because the Chinese and Germans have decided that it will be sooner rather than later. In the short term it does shift the problem, but it shifts it from where you and your children inhale it to somewhere significantly further away. Over time, this will be a progressively smaller problem as less polluting power generation becomes available. Hydrogen power most likely to be used by heavy transport as the additional mass and volume of a pressurised tank is sensible at that scale. Alternatively, we do what the USA is doing and try to live in the past and get left behind at a critical point in technological development... Isn't a bi-product of hydrogen power cells water vapour? One of the biggest contributers to climate change. In the upper atmosphere as aircraft condensation trails it reflects heat back. We don't have flying cars yet. A little knowledge is dangerous." From NASA.. Water vapor is known to be Earth’s most abundant greenhouse gas, but the extent of its contribution to global warming has been debated. Using recent NASA satellite data, researchers have estimated more precisely than ever the heat-trapping effect of water in the air, validating the role of the gas as a critical component of climate change. | |||
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"great so everyone will park by lamp-posts ....as if parking is not bad enough already paupers from tower blocks in kent won't be able to afford cars by 2021 so you should stop worrying about it chap I lived on the sixth floor of a tower block and had a car, living in a block has no reflection on if you can afford to be a motorist whatsoever unless your a bit up your own arse and have the misconception that people in flats are poor that is."don't get too complacent, it's not 2021 yet  | |||
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"Electric cars are a stop gap. Nothing more. They're a step backwards and even if you doubled the battery life, doubled the range and halved the charging time they would still be a step backwards. They're a gimmick used to reduce the overall "total possible emissions" produced by car companies (like the rebadged Toyota aygo sold by Aston Martin) so they're allowed to continue trading, " Hopefully the "having to have a small car in your line up" will be scrapped when we leave the EU. | |||
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"always wondered the cost of charging and replacement batteries" On a Leaf it's around £8000. For a re-cell On a Tesla around £15000 on the high end models. The bit they don't mention in the ads or glossy brochures. | |||
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"always wondered the cost of charging and replacement batteries On a Leaf it's around £8000. For a re-cell On a Tesla around £15000 on the high end models. The bit they don't mention in the ads or glossy brochures." to be fair in the other direction tesla will also give you an 8 yr warrenty on the battery.... so if you are buying new or nearly new you are okay.... it might be a consideration in the very late 2nd hand market... but how many people these days buy 6-7 yr old cars.... | |||
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"always wondered the cost of charging and replacement batteries On a Leaf it's around £8000. For a re-cell On a Tesla around £15000 on the high end models. The bit they don't mention in the ads or glossy brochures." What is it that you do not like about electric vehicles or that you find particularly praiseworthy for the internal combustion engine? Do you still have a cathode ray TV? Do you only have a desktop computer? Tesla had a guaranteed buy back price and free supercharging. I doubt that the original IC engines cars came with much of a guarantee at all. Why should anyone have switched from the horse and cart? You also seem to believe that the EU is responsible for the CO2 emissions legislation. Any reason you don't think it has something to do with the WLTP regulations to reduce the emissions to improve health and reduce the impact of climate change? Perhaps climate change is a conspiracy propagated by the powerful academics and scientists against the poor, suffering international petrochemical industry? Are there any drawbacks to IC vehicles? Any benefits to electric ones? Here's the simple question: Would you be happier leaving a class of children in a closed room with a petrol or diesel car running or an electric one? | |||
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"Electric cars are a stop gap. Nothing more. They're a step backwards and even if you doubled the battery life, doubled the range and halved the charging time they would still be a step backwards. They're a gimmick used to reduce the overall "total possible emissions" produced by car companies (like the rebadged Toyota aygo sold by Aston Martin) so they're allowed to continue trading, " Stop-gap to what? "Step-backwards" based on what criteria? Range alone? | |||
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"always wondered the cost of charging and replacement batteries On a Leaf it's around £8000. For a re-cell On a Tesla around £15000 on the high end models. The bit they don't mention in the ads or glossy brochures. What is it that you do not like about electric vehicles or that you find particularly praiseworthy for the internal combustion engine? Do you still have a cathode ray TV? Do you only have a desktop computer? Tesla had a guaranteed buy back price and free supercharging. I doubt that the original IC engines cars came with much of a guarantee at all. Why should anyone have switched from the horse and cart? You also seem to believe that the EU is responsible for the CO2 emissions legislation. Any reason you don't think it has something to do with the WLTP regulations to reduce the emissions to improve health and reduce the impact of climate change? Perhaps climate change is a conspiracy propagated by the powerful academics and scientists against the poor, suffering international petrochemical industry? Are there any drawbacks to IC vehicles? Any benefits to electric ones? Here's the simple question: Would you be happier leaving a class of children in a closed room with a petrol or diesel car running or an electric one?" Like all big organisations the car industry will "love" electric as they know you will have to buy a new one every 6 to 8 years so it's a win win for them all ways. Of course they will condemn the old technology as it suits their marketplace. | |||
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"always wondered the cost of charging and replacement batteries On a Leaf it's around £8000. For a re-cell On a Tesla around £15000 on the high end models. The bit they don't mention in the ads or glossy brochures. What is it that you do not like about electric vehicles or that you find particularly praiseworthy for the internal combustion engine? Do you still have a cathode ray TV? Do you only have a desktop computer? Tesla had a guaranteed buy back price and free supercharging. I doubt that the original IC engines cars came with much of a guarantee at all. Why should anyone have switched from the horse and cart? You also seem to believe that the EU is responsible for the CO2 emissions legislation. Any reason you don't think it has something to do with the WLTP regulations to reduce the emissions to improve health and reduce the impact of climate change? Perhaps climate change is a conspiracy propagated by the powerful academics and scientists against the poor, suffering international petrochemical industry? Are there any drawbacks to IC vehicles? Any benefits to electric ones? Here's the simple question: Would you be happier leaving a class of children in a closed room with a petrol or diesel car running or an electric one? Like all big organisations the car industry will "love" electric as they know you will have to buy a new one every 6 to 8 years so it's a win win for them all ways. Of course they will condemn the old technology as it suits their marketplace." That's really not even vaguely an answer to what I asked is it? | |||
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"Silent cars in car parks; flipping dangerous imo. They just suddenly move without warning. "True. They should have an audible warning when moving off. | |||
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"always wondered the cost of charging and replacement batteries On a Leaf it's around £8000. For a re-cell On a Tesla around £15000 on the high end models. The bit they don't mention in the ads or glossy brochures. What is it that you do not like about electric vehicles or that you find particularly praiseworthy for the internal combustion engine? Do you still have a cathode ray TV? Do you only have a desktop computer? Tesla had a guaranteed buy back price and free supercharging. I doubt that the original IC engines cars came with much of a guarantee at all. Why should anyone have switched from the horse and cart? You also seem to believe that the EU is responsible for the CO2 emissions legislation. Any reason you don't think it has something to do with the WLTP regulations to reduce the emissions to improve health and reduce the impact of climate change? Perhaps climate change is a conspiracy propagated by the powerful academics and scientists against the poor, suffering international petrochemical industry? Are there any drawbacks to IC vehicles? Any benefits to electric ones? Here's the simple question: Would you be happier leaving a class of children in a closed room with a petrol or diesel car running or an electric one? Like all big organisations the car industry will "love" electric as they know you will have to buy a new one every 6 to 8 years so it's a win win for them all ways. Of course they will condemn the old technology as it suits their marketplace. That's really not even vaguely an answer to what I asked is it? "It was a ridiculous question, I wouldn’t put a car in with them full stop the answer would be electric but it’s a one sided question. Let’s face it no matter what we do the pollution chucked out across the developing countries if far greater than anything we do. Carbon footprint is only a spin doctors way of the government charging us more, had you heard of it say 15 years ago? | |||
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"Just seen the advert for the Nissan Leaf and I like.... It’s also being produced in Sunderland. Has anybody got one? "You would be best checking out charging point locations and see if the suit your travel plans Up here in Scotland there is no point getting an electric car if you like to travel and see the scenery due to limited charging points stick with hydrocarbon fuels | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? " Yes . But not for around 30 years at a guess . | |||
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"always wondered the cost of charging and replacement batteries On a Leaf it's around £8000. For a re-cell On a Tesla around £15000 on the high end models. The bit they don't mention in the ads or glossy brochures. What is it that you do not like about electric vehicles or that you find particularly praiseworthy for the internal combustion engine? Do you still have a cathode ray TV? Do you only have a desktop computer? Tesla had a guaranteed buy back price and free supercharging. I doubt that the original IC engines cars came with much of a guarantee at all. Why should anyone have switched from the horse and cart? You also seem to believe that the EU is responsible for the CO2 emissions legislation. Any reason you don't think it has something to do with the WLTP regulations to reduce the emissions to improve health and reduce the impact of climate change? Perhaps climate change is a conspiracy propagated by the powerful academics and scientists against the poor, suffering international petrochemical industry? Are there any drawbacks to IC vehicles? Any benefits to electric ones? Here's the simple question: Would you be happier leaving a class of children in a closed room with a petrol or diesel car running or an electric one? Like all big organisations the car industry will "love" electric as they know you will have to buy a new one every 6 to 8 years so it's a win win for them all ways. Of course they will condemn the old technology as it suits their marketplace. That's really not even vaguely an answer to what I asked is it?
It was a ridiculous question, I wouldn’t put a car in with them full stop the answer would be electric but it’s a one sided question.
Let’s face it no matter what we do the pollution chucked out across the developing countries if far greater than anything we do.
Carbon footprint is only a spin doctors way of the government charging us more, had you heard of it say 15 years ago?"If you think so then you are missing the point. Make a closed room the distance from the pavement or a busy road or even a busy road to a side street. Pollution close to you does more damage than that further away and diffused over larger distances or that could be replaced over time with non polluting alternatives. Are you saying that some problems are "too big to solve"? Shall we stop cancer research? Perhaps nobody should have investigated flight. Flight! How impossible is it for a human to fly? How would you go about the measurement of a complex subject like tracking the effect on the environment of an item with a long and intricate manufacturing process? The concept of a carbon footprint didn't exist before because nobody thought it was worth measuring. The measuring of a light year had no purpose once. The need to measure pressure didn't exist. And...and...and... What are you actually saying? That climate change is a con or a conspiracy? That reducing pollution is not worthwhile or futile? That you just like vehicles with internal combustion engines more than the new fangled electric ones? | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Not a chance, the technology is flawed due to battery technology not being there and limited lifespan so they will be scrap after 6 - 7 years. Costly tat." Not strictly true. The early Prius hybrids are still going strong with the original batteries. Taxi Drivers swear by them. We've bought a DS5 Diesel Hybrid and we are very impressed. The cost savings are fantastic. Road tax is £10 and a tank of diesel is lasting knocking on 1000 miles. We leave the drivetrain in auto so the car decides wether to use electric or combustion power. We have to accept that the motor industry is moving down the electric path so let's embrace it rather than fight it. We can't have all electric yet because of the range but hybrid is sort of a step in the right direction. We are tempted to even try the new phev Range Rover next. | |||
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"Do you think in the future all cars will be electric? Not a chance, the technology is flawed due to battery technology not being there and limited lifespan so they will be scrap after 6 - 7 years. Costly tat. Not strictly true. The early Prius hybrids are still going strong with the original batteries. Taxi Drivers swear by them. We've bought a DS5 Diesel Hybrid and we are very impressed. The cost savings are fantastic. Road tax is £10 and a tank of diesel is lasting knocking on 1000 miles. We leave the drivetrain in auto so the car decides wether to use electric or combustion power. We have to accept that the motor industry is moving down the electric path so let's embrace it rather than fight it. We can't have all electric yet because of the range but hybrid is sort of a step in the right direction. We are tempted to even try the new phev Range Rover next." My van does 660 and I’m hauling around the equivalent of your car in the back. | |||
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" My van does 660 and I’m hauling around the equivalent of your car in the back. " I'm curious - what is the make, model and year? | |||
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"Forcing people to switch to Electric by pricing petrol and Diesel beyond the reach of most, accompanied by banning petrol cars isn't the solution. If public transport was efficient, economical, pleasurable and practical, we would all use it. The infrastructure in this country barely copes with the traffic we have. Without major investment in solar, wind and nuclear power, we couldn't keep all these electric cars charged up. Electric cars (at present) are a city solution to a city problem. For us out in the sticks, our transport requirements are different. " didn't anybody tell you? 'the sticks' is being redveloped and is to become a theme park for the wealthy | |||
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"Forcing people to switch to Electric by pricing petrol and Diesel beyond the reach of most, accompanied by banning petrol cars isn't the solution. If public transport was efficient, economical, pleasurable and practical, we would all use it. The infrastructure in this country barely copes with the traffic we have. Without major investment in solar, wind and nuclear power, we couldn't keep all these electric cars charged up. Electric cars (at present) are a city solution to a city problem. For us out in the sticks, our transport requirements are different. didn't anybody tell you? 'the sticks' is being redveloped and is to become a theme park for the wealthy" Didn't they do that with Wales? You pay to get in on the Severn Crossing but it is free to leave | |||
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"Electric cars are not a city solution to a city problem. Public transport is. Cities are too congested and electric cars will not solve that. " Electric cars are not a rural solution to a rural problem then. If it is the emissions of petrol/diesel fumes that are the problem in cities, then the electric car makes sense. For anyone who lives and works outside of the city, electric cars solve so few problems to be viable. I have a small diesel for trips into the city and a large 4x4 for family and other trips. I also have a motorbike for when the small car would be wasteful. When it snows or I have to move large things, the small car is useless. So unless you also suggest that I ditch the big car, got sterilised (retrospetively)after my second child and get all my food deleivered, an electic car won't work for me. | |||
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"Just seen the advert for the Nissan Leaf and I like.... It’s also being produced in Sunderland. Has anybody got one? "Not got one but driven them for Nissan. Quite response acceleration. Parking brake is operated with yr foot, plus it drives like an automatic so beware of accidentally "left foot braking" it if your used to a manual gearbox car by subconsciously thinking your dipping the cluch.. Can cause an accident. Otherwise its a practical car and I'm impressed | |||
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"always wondered the cost of charging and replacement batteries On a Leaf it's around £8000. For a re-cell On a Tesla around £15000 on the high end models. The bit they don't mention in the ads or glossy brochures." wait till there's a mountain of old batteries stockpiled all over the place .94% of the battery cannot be recycled .what happens then .electric is not a long term answer .its just another problem for someone to sort out in the future .good luck with that . the range of electric cars is pathetic .wow a leaf can do 85 miles out if a charge . Nissan claim 125 miles but in reality its much less .well done . | |||
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"always wondered the cost of charging and replacement batteries On a Leaf it's around £8000. For a re-cell On a Tesla around £15000 on the high end models. The bit they don't mention in the ads or glossy brochures.wait till there's a mountain of old batteries stockpiled all over the place .94% of the battery cannot be recycled .what happens then .electric is not a long term answer .its just another problem for someone to sort out in the future .good luck with that . the range of electric cars is pathetic .wow a leaf can do 85 miles out if a charge . Nissan claim 125 miles but in reality its much less .well done ." Sat in traffic heater on radio on lights on...... "hello AA? My batteries flat..... again". | |||
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"Electric cars are a stop gap. Nothing more. They're a step backwards and even if you doubled the battery life, doubled the range and halved the charging time they would still be a step backwards. They're a gimmick used to reduce the overall "total possible emissions" produced by car companies (like the rebadged Toyota aygo sold by Aston Martin) so they're allowed to continue trading, Stop-gap to what? "Step-backwards" based on what criteria? Range alone?" Stop gap to the next thing (probably hydrogen) "Step backwards" based on the Fact you are unable to get in it, drive until you run out of fuel, spend a few mins filling it up and then continue driving. They require additional planning, additional equipment, additional time, money and effort. That, is not going forward. It's going backwards | |||
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"The new Nissan Leaf has a range of about 150 miles. Next years update will be over 200 miles. For the vast majority this is more than enough. The future is definitely electric. Big cities all over the world are planning combustion engine bans. " Which fools will buy this year's... | |||
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"Where does the electricity come from to power these cars ?" erm, a socket in the wall obviously ... duhhh! | |||
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"Where does the electricity come from to power these cars ? erm, a socket in the wall obviously ... duhhh!" .... ok
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"If you got the money the Tesla is very nice.Ive had a spin in a model x with ludicrous mode on.Goes like shit off a shovel.This fella had a power wall installed on his garage being charged by solar panels.His Tesla ran on the sun. "Solar wall, costs more than the ridiculous price of the car it’s charging, gulp. Okay if you are mega rich for Joe public, how does it add up? | |||
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"Where does the electricity come from to power these cars ? erm, a socket in the wall obviously ... duhhh! .... ok
The electricity in the wall socket that charges the car - where does it come from??"probably the same place that the electricity that's used to make a gallon of petrol comes from | |||
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"Where does the electricity come from to power these cars ? erm, a socket in the wall obviously ... duhhh! .... ok
The electricity in the wall socket that charges the car - where does it come from??"Mixture of various sources including renewables(wind/solar)/gas/nuclear/coal. Coal is being phased out.Renewables generated 3 times as much as coal in 2017. | |||
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"Where does the electricity come from to power these cars ? erm, a socket in the wall obviously ... duhhh! .... ok
The electricity in the wall socket that charges the car - where does it come from??
Mixture of various sources including renewables(wind/solar)/gas/nuclear/coal.
Coal is being phased out.Renewables generated 3 times as much as coal in 2017."Only due to being heavily subsidised Once the funding stops they become non viable. | |||
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"If you got the money the Tesla is very nice.Ive had a spin in a model x with ludicrous mode on.Goes like shit off a shovel.This fella had a power wall installed on his garage being charged by solar panels.His Tesla ran on the sun.
Solar wall, costs more than the ridiculous price of the car it’s charging, gulp.
Okay if you are mega rich for Joe public, how does it add up?"The Tesla model 3 is £25k same as VW golf. | |||
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" Okay if you are mega rich for Joe public, how does it add up? The Tesla model 3 is £25k same as VW golf." those god'am mega rich joe public vw golf owning b******s! | |||
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"If you got the money the Tesla is very nice.Ive had a spin in a model x with ludicrous mode on.Goes like shit off a shovel.This fella had a power wall installed on his garage being charged by solar panels.His Tesla ran on the sun.
Solar wall, costs more than the ridiculous price of the car it’s charging, gulp.
Okay if you are mega rich for Joe public, how does it add up?
The Tesla model 3 is £25k same as VW golf."Thing is i wouldn't buy that golf until it was down to about £1500. It'll still work. Will the tesla still work when it's worth £1500? | |||
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"If you got the money the Tesla is very nice.Ive had a spin in a model x with ludicrous mode on.Goes like shit off a shovel.This fella had a power wall installed on his garage being charged by solar panels.His Tesla ran on the sun.
Solar wall, costs more than the ridiculous price of the car it’s charging, gulp.
Okay if you are mega rich for Joe public, how does it add up?
The Tesla model 3 is £25k same as VW golf.
Thing is i wouldn't buy that golf until it was down to about £1500. It'll still work. Will the tesla still work when it's worth £1500?"All technology drops in price.The first 42in flat screen TV went on sale in the the USA in 1997 for 15k. | |||
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"If you got the money the Tesla is very nice.Ive had a spin in a model x with ludicrous mode on.Goes like shit off a shovel.This fella had a power wall installed on his garage being charged by solar panels.His Tesla ran on the sun.
Solar wall, costs more than the ridiculous price of the car it’s charging, gulp.
Okay if you are mega rich for Joe public, how does it add up?
The Tesla model 3 is £25k same as VW golf.
Thing is i wouldn't buy that golf until it was down to about £1500. It'll still work. Will the tesla still work when it's worth £1500? All technology drops in price.The first 42in flat screen TV went on sale in the the USA in 1997 for 15k. "Does it still work? Because my 1998 3-series does. | |||
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"If you got the money the Tesla is very nice.Ive had a spin in a model x with ludicrous mode on.Goes like shit off a shovel.This fella had a power wall installed on his garage being charged by solar panels.His Tesla ran on the sun.
Solar wall, costs more than the ridiculous price of the car it’s charging, gulp.
Okay if you are mega rich for Joe public, how does it add up?
The Tesla model 3 is £25k same as VW golf.
Thing is i wouldn't buy that golf until it was down to about £1500. It'll still work. Will the tesla still work when it's worth £1500? All technology drops in price.The first 42in flat screen TV went on sale in the the USA in 1997 for 15k.
Does it still work? Because my 1998 3-series does."It the engine in a 98 3 series won't cost the £15k it costs the change the batteries in a tesla. As it happens. I'm fully considering buying a classic. Well, maybe something early 90's. Technology has ruined cars in my opinion. I want something that can be taken to pieces With a ring spanner and doesn't need a laptop to diagnose a fault with a £2500 ecu. | |||
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"why can't people stop getting ideas above their station and just buy vw sciroccos instead? "A what...... ...never VW | |||
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"why can't people stop getting ideas above their station and just buy vw sciroccos instead?
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"Just read through the thread... solar powered electric roads... can't even afford to fix the potholes in our roads now! Nuclear power stations 30 to 40 years to go live after the site is approved... gonna be tight.... The question of needing to change is valid. Battery cars are not the answer. But they will keep pushing it, like they pushed diesel over petrol for 2 decades before admitting the mistake, simply because they don't have an actual plan that works. I would be surprised to see more than 30% vehicles on the road in 2040 that don't use an internal combustion engine in some form." Strange how diesel became evil once we stopped refining it in the UK. | |||
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"It sounds like a great way of getting everyone into debt. The banker's revenge on us plebs who dared to laugh. As the champagne socialists spit on the working man and tell us how happy we should be with our lot. " While they drive their £150k teslas to work to avoid the congestion charge then jump in their supercharged Range Rover or Porsche on the weekends | |||
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"Loving the suggestion of maglev, no stopping or changes of direction... should wipe out sufficient levels of population to assist the environment "For public transport it's a fantastic, viable, if rather expensive solution | |||
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"Just wondering how many of those who dislike electric cars so much have driven a Tesla S or X." Had a quick go. They're fucking amazing! But it would take me 20 hours to visit my nieces. So, erm, no. | |||
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"Just wondering how many of those who dislike electric cars so much have driven a Tesla S or X." Does the driving experience out weigh the debt? Does it aid with the cost of replacement batteries? Does it feel like the car will last 20 years? Did it feel like you were driving a car of the people, the next model T, or that you were driving an unobtainable dream, reserved for the wealthy? | |||
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Poor mans Audi
A bit like a BMW, Poor man’s Mercedes
Just ask a German. "Better things to spend my money on than a pile of metal junk. I'll take my chances with poor man's cars and be richer elsewhere. | |||
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"Just wondering how many of those who dislike electric cars so much have driven a Tesla S or X. Does the driving experience out weigh the debt? Does it aid with the cost of replacement batteries? Does it feel like the car will last 20 years? Did it feel like you were driving a car of the people, the next model T, or that you were driving an unobtainable dream, reserved for the wealthy? " does the government give a shit? | |||
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"Just wondering how many of those who dislike electric cars so much have driven a Tesla S or X. Does the driving experience out weigh the debt? Does it aid with the cost of replacement batteries? Does it feel like the car will last 20 years? Did it feel like you were driving a car of the people, the next model T, or that you were driving an unobtainable dream, reserved for the wealthy? " Just asking. If you haven't driven either just say so. Any experience of other electric cars? | |||
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"Just wondering how many of those who dislike electric cars so much have driven a Tesla S or X. Does the driving experience out weigh the debt? Does it aid with the cost of replacement batteries? Does it feel like the car will last 20 years? Did it feel like you were driving a car of the people, the next model T, or that you were driving an unobtainable dream, reserved for the wealthy? Just asking. If you haven't driven either just say so. Any experience of other electric cars?" Caught a lift in a prius a couple of years ago. | |||
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" All I know is they should make warning noises for pedestrians when they suddenly spring into action. Fucking lethal things in car parks "LOOK listen Cross Just saying lol | |||
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" All I know is they should make warning noises for pedestrians when they suddenly spring into action. Fucking lethal things in car parks "just peg some playing cards into the spokes ... job's a good'un | |||
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" All I know is they should make warning noises for pedestrians when they suddenly spring into action. Fucking lethal things in car parks
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Just saying lol "Yeah. Kinda falls down at the listen bit though... | |||
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"Just wondering how many of those who dislike electric cars so much have driven a Tesla S or X. Does the driving experience out weigh the debt? Does it aid with the cost of replacement batteries? Does it feel like the car will last 20 years? Did it feel like you were driving a car of the people, the next model T, or that you were driving an unobtainable dream, reserved for the wealthy? Just asking. If you haven't driven either just say so. Any experience of other electric cars? Caught a lift in a prius a couple of years ago. " Good that you have such a strong opinion based on one data point from the last generation of hybrid (not battery electric) technology | |||
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" All I know is they should make warning noises for pedestrians when they suddenly spring into action. Fucking lethal things in car parks
LOOK
listen
Cross
Just saying lol
Yeah. Kinda falls down at the listen bit though..."Indeed. But that's why it's only number two on the list! However. I do agree with you. They should perhaps introduce some sort of artificial "real car" sound when traveling under 30-40mph where it's more likely pedestrians will be about | |||
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"Just wondering how many of those who dislike electric cars so much have driven a Tesla S or X. Does the driving experience out weigh the debt? Does it aid with the cost of replacement batteries? Does it feel like the car will last 20 years? Did it feel like you were driving a car of the people, the next model T, or that you were driving an unobtainable dream, reserved for the wealthy? Just asking. If you haven't driven either just say so. Any experience of other electric cars? Caught a lift in a prius a couple of years ago. Good that you have such a strong opinion based on one data point from the last generation of hybrid (not battery electric) technology "So are you telling me that if i caught a lift in a Tesla my opinions on the debt, the cost of batteries, the longevity etc etc would somehow change because id be dazzled by the performance? I'm not ten. | |||
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" All I know is they should make warning noises for pedestrians when they suddenly spring into action. Fucking lethal things in car parks
LOOK
listen
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Just saying lol
Yeah. Kinda falls down at the listen bit though...
Indeed. But that's why it's only number two on the list!
However. I do agree with you. They should perhaps introduce some sort of artificial "real car" sound when traveling under 30-40mph where it's more likely pedestrians will be about "I can look as best I can but I can't predict when one's gonna move out of it's parking bay. Some people don't care and think pedestrians should wait for them. I do think it's a danger especially when people are used to cars making a noise before they move. | |||
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"Just wondering how many of those who dislike electric cars so much have driven a Tesla S or X. Does the driving experience out weigh the debt? Does it aid with the cost of replacement batteries? Does it feel like the car will last 20 years? Did it feel like you were driving a car of the people, the next model T, or that you were driving an unobtainable dream, reserved for the wealthy? Just asking. If you haven't driven either just say so. Any experience of other electric cars? Caught a lift in a prius a couple of years ago. Good that you have such a strong opinion based on one data point from the last generation of hybrid (not battery electric) technology
So are you telling me that if i caught a lift in a Tesla my opinions on the debt, the cost of batteries, the longevity etc etc would somehow change because id be dazzled by the performance? I'm not ten."
You have been ranting on and on about how crap they are and how great IC engines are when you're comparing the first steps of a new technology to the culmination of hundreds of years of fossil fueled engine development.
This technology is moving incredibly fast. In the increasingly urbanised developed world young people aren't even bothering to learn how to drive.
How long did it take for mobile phones to be a brick that irradiated your head to a piece of technology that can find every piece of information (and nonsense) ever created by man?
Do you think that the technology and economics of this will stand still once every motor company is investing the same research budget in battery technology as they have in normal engines?
You're probably right though. It's a conspiracy. Most things are as that's usually the most likely explanation | |||
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"Just wondering how many of those who dislike electric cars so much have driven a Tesla S or X. Does the driving experience out weigh the debt? Does it aid with the cost of replacement batteries? Does it feel like the car will last 20 years? Did it feel like you were driving a car of the people, the next model T, or that you were driving an unobtainable dream, reserved for the wealthy? Just asking. If you haven't driven either just say so. Any experience of other electric cars? Caught a lift in a prius a couple of years ago. Good that you have such a strong opinion based on one data point from the last generation of hybrid (not battery electric) technology
So are you telling me that if i caught a lift in a Tesla my opinions on the debt, the cost of batteries, the longevity etc etc would somehow change because id be dazzled by the performance? I'm not ten.
You have been ranting on and on about how crap they are and how great IC engines are when you're comparing the first steps of a new technology to the culmination of hundreds of years of fossil fueled engine development.
This technology is moving incredibly fast. In the increasingly urbanised developed world young people aren't even bothering to learn how to drive.
How long did it take for mobile phones to be a brick that irradiated your head to a piece of technology that can find every piece of information (and nonsense) ever created by man?
Do you think that the technology and economics of this will stand still once every motor company is investing the same research budget in battery technology as they have in normal engines?
You're probably right though. It's a conspiracy. Most things are as that's usually the most likely explanation "I see where i mentioned my doubts that an electric car would last 20 years. But i can't see any "ranting"? Well not from me anyway. | |||
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"If you had asked poor people what sort of transportation they wanted 120 years ago , they would have said faster horses. "Very few citizens owned horses 120 years ago, public transport was bad and expensive, so most only went as far as they could walk. I think that will be the true future of transport mobility scooters and busses. | |||
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"If you had asked poor people what sort of transportation they wanted 120 years ago , they would have said faster horses.
Very few citizens owned horses 120 years ago, public transport was bad and expensive, so most only went as far as they could walk. I think that will be the true future of transport mobility scooters and busses."I'm hoping it will hyper loops and FTL spacecraft.Im a bit of a dreamer.. | |||
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"If you had asked poor people what sort of transportation they wanted 120 years ago , they would have said faster horses.
Very few citizens owned horses 120 years ago, public transport was bad and expensive, so most only went as far as they could walk. I think that will be the true future of transport mobility scooters and busses."The wealthy had personal transport. The poor walked. Looks like history will repeat it's self. | |||
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