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"I've been doing low carb, lowish kcals and relatively low fat. I can't get my head round eating high fat as a diet, but I'm not a huge fan of fatty foods anyway, sugar is or has been my vice but I've managed to cut this right down. 9lbs off in 3 weeks, and hoping for another 2 this week. It's been much easier than I thought but the first 3 days I had such a bad headache. Ginger " Well done that’s great. Yeah the first 3 days are horrible | |||
"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it... **Keto flu** ** Keto Breath** There others too which are low carb, low fat, low cal (VCLD) How long have you been doing it? " Why on earth would you do a VLCD? It's not sustainable or healthy. Not a fan of keto personally as I have an active job and it's not reccomended for people who are very active. But there are people who enjoy it - and that's the point; the best diet is one that you will stick to. If you think you can stick to it, go ahead. I personally would find a life with no prospect of either bread, cake or beer, ever quite depressing. | |||
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"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it... **Keto flu** ** Keto Breath** There others too which are low carb, low fat, low cal (VCLD) How long have you been doing it? Why on earth would you do a VLCD? It's not sustainable or healthy. Not a fan of keto personally as I have an active job and it's not reccomended for people who are very active. But there are people who enjoy it - and that's the point; the best diet is one that you will stick to. If you think you can stick to it, go ahead. I personally would find a life with no prospect of either bread, cake or beer, ever quite depressing. " For some of us, those carbs will destroy our health so we don’t have a lot of choice. | |||
"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it... **Keto flu** ** Keto Breath** There others too which are low carb, low fat, low cal (VCLD) How long have you been doing it? Why on earth would you do a VLCD? It's not sustainable or healthy. Not a fan of keto personally as I have an active job and it's not reccomended for people who are very active. But there are people who enjoy it - and that's the point; the best diet is one that you will stick to. If you think you can stick to it, go ahead. I personally would find a life with no prospect of either bread, cake or beer, ever quite depressing. " Thé same reason lots of people do lots of things because they choose to do so and it’s their life. Judgement much?! | |||
"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it... **Keto flu** ** Keto Breath** There others too which are low carb, low fat, low cal (VCLD) How long have you been doing it? Why on earth would you do a VLCD? It's not sustainable or healthy. Not a fan of keto personally as I have an active job and it's not reccomended for people who are very active. But there are people who enjoy it - and that's the point; the best diet is one that you will stick to. If you think you can stick to it, go ahead. I personally would find a life with no prospect of either bread, cake or beer, ever quite depressing. Thé same reason lots of people do lots of things because they choose to do so and it’s their life. Judgement much?! " He never judged you from where i'm sitting. | |||
"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it... **Keto flu** ** Keto Breath** " It will work but don't overdo it. I have read that any diet can lead to muscle loss if the weight goes too quickly. I use keto style eating when I want to lose weight. I'm pretty low carb most of the time anyway. I find that I don't expend enough energy to warrant eating a large amount of carb. Lack of movement and the easy availability of carbs in unrefined flour and sugar form is why there are so many obesity problems in the west. Not to mention it's cheap food for the masses too. | |||
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"Switched to Keto several months ago and bizarrely I'm struggling with it because it's been too successful! From what I've read it's basically about feeling full and when you are not eating but I'm finding it difficult not eating at "meal times" even though full. Actually found it easier on low calorie diet but sticking to Keto for the health reasons. " You have polycystic ovaries too? | |||
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"Did the high protein limited carb Keto diet a few years back. Not the healthiest diet for long term lifestyle,more for a quick fix body fat stripping diet,and it pushed my cholesterol levels up " Most diabetics do it for life, I’ve been doing it for ten years. Your total level rose, they are supposed to. What were your LDL HDL Trigs and ratios? | |||
"Did the high protein limited carb Keto diet a few years back. Not the healthiest diet for long term lifestyle,more for a quick fix body fat stripping diet,and it pushed my cholesterol levels up Most diabetics do it for life, I’ve been doing it for ten years. Your total level rose, they are supposed to. What were your LDL HDL Trigs and ratios? " Not sure now what the LDL HDL etc readings were,but nurse at Dr's took a blood test and results came back as too high,mind i was having 30+ eggs a week | |||
"Did the high protein limited carb Keto diet a few years back. Not the healthiest diet for long term lifestyle,more for a quick fix body fat stripping diet,and it pushed my cholesterol levels up Most diabetics do it for life, I’ve been doing it for ten years. Your total level rose, they are supposed to. What were your LDL HDL Trigs and ratios? Not sure now what the LDL HDL etc readings were,but nurse at Dr's took a blood test and results came back as too high,mind i was having 30+ eggs a week" Total cholesterol means nothing and humans need chol to function properly and efficiently, it’s not the evil stuff we are told it is (based on one bad study in the 1940’s) The majority of it is made by your body and the egg thing is a myth. Read The Cholesterol Con by a UK GP, Malcom Kendrick, he is great at explaining it simply. | |||
"Make sure you drink plenty of water..." Not too much actually, the water loss that comes with not bombarding our bodies with carbs can cause hyponatraemia which is why it’s also bad to restrict salt intake at the same time. Personally, I can swallow water, horrible stuff so I get my fluids from hot drinks. | |||
"The key with any diet is exercise, I know that will have most people hiding behind the sofa as it means time and effort but even 3 times ten minutes of brisk walking is good enough, diet alone will just have you bounce back up weight wise once the body gets used to your diet" ‘You can’t out train a bad diet’. 80% of weight loss is achieved by altering diet, and altering it for good. Exercise helps with muscle development which improves metabolism. | |||
"Make sure you drink plenty of water... Not too much actually, the water loss that comes with not bombarding our bodies with carbs can cause hyponatraemia which is why it’s also bad to restrict salt intake at the same time. Personally, I can swallow water, horrible stuff so I get my fluids from hot drinks. " From memory it's 2 litres a day but that's icluding water in all food a drinks. The water helps flush the kidneys during a high protein diet. | |||
"Make sure you drink plenty of water... Not too much actually, the water loss that comes with not bombarding our bodies with carbs can cause hyponatraemia which is why it’s also bad to restrict salt intake at the same time. Personally, I can swallow water, horrible stuff so I get my fluids from hot drinks. From memory it's 2 litres a day but that's icluding water in all food a drinks. The water helps flush the kidneys during a high protein diet." It’s all a bit of a myth actually, another thing plucked from fable and those that bottle water. The level of protein on keto isn’t all that much higher than average and unless there is kidney damage present, they cope fine with protein. It’s carbs that do the damage. | |||
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"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it... **Keto flu** ** Keto Breath** " Joe Rogan does it so it must be decent | |||
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"I'm certainly finding it interesting, my friend that is a nurse is convinced in 10 years time that Doctors will be recommending low carb diets as the norm. She had high cholesterol and she tried cutting out fat and it made no difference, she then ditched carbs and went high fat and her cholesterol dropped. Myself, I don't want to massively cut out food groups as I know that's not sustainable for me, I had terrible eating habits and the 3 week reset I did seems to have worked, I'm not a huge bread fan so no problem there, I've switched to brown, whole grain carbs when I do have them, but I also work on an 90/10 rule I eat like this 90% of the time but there is room for treats, just not as often as I used too. I've not had chocolate, crisps, pastries, fizzy drinks etc for nearly a month now and I don't miss it, but I know I will eat these at some point but as an occasional treat, and for me that's fine. Ginger " How do you feel mentally after doing this diet? I believe there's an initial period of "brain fog", as your body adjusts to the change. I've felt some shakes but that's just sugar cravings. | |||
"Research has shown the best way to cut fat is to go on a high carb diet, with no fats but essential, and enough protein to maintain yourself. eat clean carbs, and clean protein and watch the fat fall off. or deprive your brain of energy, thats an option too." You’ve not read much of the research that blows that theory out of the water then. | |||
"Research has shown the best way to cut fat is to go on a high carb diet, with no fats but essential, and enough protein to maintain yourself. eat clean carbs, and clean protein and watch the fat fall off. or deprive your brain of energy, thats an option too." Google gluconeogenesis. | |||
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"I'm certainly finding it interesting, my friend that is a nurse is convinced in 10 years time that Doctors will be recommending low carb diets as the norm. She had high cholesterol and she tried cutting out fat and it made no difference, she then ditched carbs and went high fat and her cholesterol dropped. Myself, I don't want to massively cut out food groups as I know that's not sustainable for me, I had terrible eating habits and the 3 week reset I did seems to have worked, I'm not a huge bread fan so no problem there, I've switched to brown, whole grain carbs when I do have them, but I also work on an 90/10 rule I eat like this 90% of the time but there is room for treats, just not as often as I used too. I've not had chocolate, crisps, pastries, fizzy drinks etc for nearly a month now and I don't miss it, but I know I will eat these at some point but as an occasional treat, and for me that's fine. Ginger How do you feel mentally after doing this diet? I believe there's an initial period of "brain fog", as your body adjusts to the change. I've felt some shakes but that's just sugar cravings. " The first three days were bad, carb flu I believe they call it, but now I feel great, my head is clear, my energy levels are stable throughout the day, but I've realised just how my body responds to different foods, cous cous makes me feel bloated and I've kicked bad habits of a lifetime. I've got polycystic ovaries and always struggled to lose weight, I have managed to in the past but I've needed to do huge amounts of exercise as well as healthy eating, but this is the first time I've ever managed to lose weight through diet alone. Now I just need to up the exercise and make this a habit too. Oh and to me, this isn't a diet, this is just how I eat now, and it feels completely natural. Ginger | |||
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"Carbs are only "bad for you" if you have a gluten intolerance or coeliacs disease. " This is not true, people who are insulin resistant have to control carbs to control their insulin, and I believe that is estimated at more than 25% of the Western world? Some truly appalling statistic anyway. | |||
"Carbs are only "bad for you" if you have a gluten intolerance or coeliacs disease. " This is not true, people who are insulin resistant have to control carbs to control their insulin, and I believe that is estimated at more than 25% of the Western world? Some truly appalling statistic anyway, I'll check later. Diabetes stats for a few countries are as follows: The International Diabetes Federation (IDF) currently states that the top 5 countries with the highest amount of people with diabetes are as follows: China: 109 million India: 69 million USA: 29 million Brazil: 14 million Russian Federation: 12 million And that is just the tip of the iceberg - I reckon at least 10x that number would be insulin resistant, no one is measuring, not humans anyway. | |||
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"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it... **Keto flu** ** Keto Breath** It will work but don't overdo it. I have read that any diet can lead to muscle loss if the weight goes too quickly. I use keto style eating when I want to lose weight. I'm pretty low carb most of the time anyway. I find that I don't expend enough energy to warrant eating a large amount of carb. Lack of movement and the easy availability of carbs in unrefined flour and sugar form is why there are so many obesity problems in the west. Not to mention it's cheap food for the masses too. " | |||
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"One meal a day diet is the only diet that's ever worked for me. I can eat as much as I want or anything I want in the hours of 4pm till 6pm and not anything else in the day. Lost 4 stone since September " Yes, intermittent fasting is very effective, but we use a bigger feeding window when we do it. | |||
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"For me, healthy balanced diet and lots of exercise. I lost 2 stone in 2 months just from doing this. I'm not at risk of diabetes " How do you know?? | |||
"For me, healthy balanced diet and lots of exercise. I lost 2 stone in 2 months just from doing this. I'm not at risk of diabetes How do you know??" I know because I have my mot's with my gp. I'm not overweight, I eat a relatively good diet, I exercise and because my doctor says so! It doesn't run in my family and I don't have any of the pre-cursers for diabetes. | |||
"For me, healthy balanced diet and lots of exercise. I lost 2 stone in 2 months just from doing this. I'm not at risk of diabetes How do you know?? I know because I have my mot's with my gp. I'm not overweight, I eat a relatively good diet, I exercise and because my doctor says so! It doesn't run in my family and I don't have any of the pre-cursers for diabetes. " Haha, you could still have raging insulin resistance - that's the point, people become insulin resistant YEARS before they show any sign of diabetes, and without any of the obvious risk factors being present. | |||
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" I'd like to see the "evidence" that humans have been carb-free for aeons. There are plenty of easily available, easily digestible carb sources that predate agriculture. " Maybe, but you can be sure as hell they weren’t eating HiFi bars and Muller Lights aeons ago, so I know which way of eating is closer to the optimal human diet and that’s good enough for me. TB | |||
"Had the worst headache ever last night. Considering I never get them it was quite concerning. Felt like I was having an aneurism or something. Apparently this can be helped with bone broth? Could be a sodium defecit. Wish I knew this last night..." Yeah it can take a bit of tweaking to get all the mineral balances right. Bone broth can be useful, I found that having half an avocado a day and using pink Himalayan salt helped. TB | |||
"Not going to go back and quote everything but Topsy, I love you! Everything I was going to reply you’ve already said so have saved me a massive job! And it’s brilliant to find someone on the same wavelength who actually makes the effort to look into and research things and not just do whatever the latest Kardashian is doing . So I would echo everything Topsy said initially My personal experience, I’ve been Keto for about a year and low carb for about 2 years before that. I do it as it solves my health problems, and as nice as cake/bread/biscuits may be, they’re not as nice as not being ill so I’m sticking with it as a long term lifestyle now. SSS has been on board with the low carb for the last few months too and looking smokin as I’m sure you’ll agree It really isn’t something you can dabble in though, your body has to go through some pretty big changes to do it properly so you do have to go into it with a long term focus. I’m currently doing a MSc in Food and Nutrition so am not averse to researching things and I wouldn’t do or recommend anything for myself or those I love that I’m not 100% begins and happy with the evidence of. Humans have been eating this way for thousands of years and it’s been used medically for the last 100 so it’s hardly a fad diet; the press have just picked it up lately and turned it into one (those damn Kardashians have a lot to answer for!) So my main take away points would be: 1. Carbs are the only non-essential macronutrient so no worries in limiting them; 2. Yes there are some temporary side effects but the long term gains outweigh them; 3. You do not need glucose for energy, your body can happily run on fat and produce all the glucose it needs itself; 4. If everyone just cut out processed non-food and adopted a lowER carb approach, then there would be a lot less fat and sick peoplevin the world. TB" gets rid of cellulite too, I find | |||
"The key with any diet is exercise, I know that will have most people hiding behind the sofa as it means time and effort but even 3 times ten minutes of brisk walking is good enough, diet alone will just have you bounce back up weight wise once the body gets used to your diet" Lost just under 5 stone without doing any specific exercise whatsoever last year and kept it off. | |||
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"Not going to go back and quote everything but Topsy, I love you! Everything I was going to reply you’ve already said so have saved me a massive job! And it’s brilliant to find someone on the same wavelength who actually makes the effort to look into and research things and not just do whatever the latest Kardashian is doing . So I would echo everything Topsy said initially My personal experience, I’ve been Keto for about a year and low carb for about 2 years before that. I do it as it solves my health problems, and as nice as cake/bread/biscuits may be, they’re not as nice as not being ill so I’m sticking with it as a long term lifestyle now. SSS has been on board with the low carb for the last few months too and looking smokin as I’m sure you’ll agree It really isn’t something you can dabble in though, your body has to go through some pretty big changes to do it properly so you do have to go into it with a long term focus. I’m currently doing a MSc in Food and Nutrition so am not averse to researching things and I wouldn’t do or recommend anything for myself or those I love that I’m not 100% begins and happy with the evidence of. Humans have been eating this way for thousands of years and it’s been used medically for the last 100 so it’s hardly a fad diet; the press have just picked it up lately and turned it into one (those damn Kardashians have a lot to answer for!) So my main take away points would be: 1. Carbs are the only non-essential macronutrient so no worries in limiting them; 2. Yes there are some temporary side effects but the long term gains outweigh them; 3. You do not need glucose for energy, your body can happily run on fat and produce all the glucose it needs itself; 4. If everyone just cut out processed non-food and adopted a lowER carb approach, then there would be a lot less fat and sick peoplevin the world. Brilliantly written. I (mr) have followed this exact way of dieting and lost 4 stone. Never felt so good and healthier . I thoroughly encourage anyone to go for this diet. My energy levels in comparison is night and day and no health issues as I got an mot before Christmas just in case. This is my way of life now but will give myself a treat day once a week or so. That’s for being good TB" | |||
" I'd like to see the "evidence" that humans have been carb-free for aeons. There are plenty of easily available, easily digestible carb sources that predate agriculture. Maybe, but you can be sure as hell they weren’t eating HiFi bars and Muller Lights aeons ago, so I know which way of eating is closer to the optimal human diet and that’s good enough for me. TB" This is the sort of condescending bollocks that I mean. Ive been lardy and lost weight, and believe me, you can easily do it whilst at the same time also enjoying the odd fucking mars bar or muller light or what the fuck ever else it is that you like. Most people don't give a bollocks about "the optimum human diet", whatever the fuck that is for an omnivore. The diet and fitness industry seems to like to convince people that it is "hard" to lose weight, mostly to sell them a diet or products to make it "easier". The problem is, that if you are overweight and you buy into this mantra, you are likely to give up before you have even started. Very few people want to make sweeping diet changes that may involve them doing things like eating separate dinners from the rest of their family etc. It certainly also doesn't help when people start bleating on that carbs are "poison" and certain diets cure all kinds of ills, and if you don't want to be SICK you should so this incredibly restrictive (to most people) diet NOW. I started losing weight by not having a bag of crisps and a penguin with my lunch. When that worked, I started making my breakfasts slightly lower calorie (I had eggs - I love eggs, but used too think they made you fat). I then started having slightly smaller dinners. Then I decided to start excercising again, which led me to calorie counting and looking at my macros etc - but I did not get to that point straight away. This is why I say (repeatedly) that the best diet is the one you will stick to. Do keto if you fancy it, but it's no good doing it if you cave and have cake after two weeks. Do Mediterranean if you think you'll like it, but whatever you do, any weightloss programme that you actually stick to is many times better than one you don't. | |||
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"You lost me at ‘bollocks’ tbf so you think what you like and I’ll think what I like. TB" See? My agenda is to help people who may be a bit fat (like I was) and yours seems to be to show off about how amazing your diet is. | |||
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"The thread wasn’t ‘the best way to lose weight’ it was about Keto which is what I mentioned. If I find a losing weight thread then I may well comment in a wider vein. TB" See: my first post on the thread in which I said Keto was fine - if you could stick to it (I can't). My problem is with later dietary evangelism, where people claim you ought to be on a keto diet or you'll die. | |||
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"Without sounding gross had the worst constipation yesterday. Talk about torture!" Get yourself some psyllium husk, couple of teaspoons of that a day will provide all the fibre you need without adding any carbs, it's available online and probably Holland & Barret type places. | |||
"Without sounding gross had the worst constipation yesterday. Talk about torture! Get yourself some psyllium husk, couple of teaspoons of that a day will provide all the fibre you need without adding any carbs, it's available online and probably Holland & Barret type places." Thanks, I'll be sure to get some! | |||
"Without sounding gross had the worst constipation yesterday. Talk about torture! Get yourself some psyllium husk, couple of teaspoons of that a day will provide all the fibre you need without adding any carbs, it's available online and probably Holland & Barret type places. Thanks, I'll be sure to get some! " Can also use it to make low carb griddle cakes! | |||
"Without sounding gross had the worst constipation yesterday. Talk about torture! Get yourself some psyllium husk, couple of teaspoons of that a day will provide all the fibre you need without adding any carbs, it's available online and probably Holland & Barret type places. Thanks, I'll be sure to get some! " Drink water by the bucket load | |||
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"Keto diets are very effective. Can be difficukt to start with . But eventually your brain will stop craving carbs " Buddy what's your ab workout regimen? Sporting some seriously chiselled ones there I see. | |||
"I got psyllium from BulkPowders website, found it cheapest there. Add some to food if you can’t tolerate it on its own. " They only do powdered husk which tends to thicken up in seconds when it hits liquid! Just whole psyllium husk is easier to work/cook with I find and available online by 500g/1kg very reasonably. | |||
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"I'm doing keto, never more than 30 grams of carbs a day. I have keto strips to pee on and my body is in ketosis. I do a carb refeed every two weeks otherwise my weight loss plateaus. " Do you have to do less than 30g until you get into ketosis? What is a carb refeed? | |||
"And to add, that should pass before long as well as any other short term side effects. You just have to battle through but come out the other side feeling amazing One mistake I made early on was to concentrate on meat and cheese too much and forget about veggies. Once I added in plenty of veg and half an avocado a day it went a lot better TB" What are the best veg? How much is plenty? How many carbs were you having each day? Sorry for all the questions. | |||
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"I'm doing keto, never more than 30 grams of carbs a day. I have keto strips to pee on and my body is in ketosis. I do a carb refeed every two weeks otherwise my weight loss plateaus. Do you have to do less than 30g until you get into ketosis? What is a carb refeed?" A carb refeed is just when you eat a shit load of carbs for a day! This was ages ago. I didn't stick to this. I started eating crap again. A good thing to have though and they sell it in Asda, cauliflower rice. I was having that with fish and even chilli com carne instead of having rice, it was actually alright to eat. | |||
"I'm doing keto, never more than 30 grams of carbs a day. I have keto strips to pee on and my body is in ketosis. I do a carb refeed every two weeks otherwise my weight loss plateaus. Do you have to do less than 30g until you get into ketosis? What is a carb refeed? A carb refeed is just when you eat a shit load of carbs for a day! This was ages ago. I didn't stick to this. I started eating crap again. A good thing to have though and they sell it in Asda, cauliflower rice. I was having that with fish and even chilli com carne instead of having rice, it was actually alright to eat. " Thanks. | |||
"And to add, that should pass before long as well as any other short term side effects. You just have to battle through but come out the other side feeling amazing One mistake I made early on was to concentrate on meat and cheese too much and forget about veggies. Once I added in plenty of veg and half an avocado a day it went a lot better TB What are the best veg? How much is plenty? How many carbs were you having each day? Sorry for all the questions. " I never measured how much but probably around 30g most days, now a year and a half later I probably hover around 40g most days. Best veg are green leafy ones, but basically ones that grow above ground (and corn is not a veg!). There’s a good pictorial list on the Diet Doctor website. I was just making sure I had some kind of salad with lunch, and a good half plateful with dinner but also with butter to keep the fats high. Tbh though that was just to get through the early days, I did a pretty much zero carb carnivore week a while ago and it was great, so maybe that’s something you just have to build up to. TB | |||
"Ive just finished 28 day of eating nothing but bacon. Blood pressure dropped, body fat dropped from 14% to 11% Bags of energy & stronger" I quite believe it after my zero carb carnivore week experiment TB | |||