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By *eek2find OP   Man  over a year ago

Wigan

Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it...

**Keto flu**

** Keto Breath**

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it...

**Keto flu**

** Keto Breath** "

There others too which are low carb, low fat, low cal (VCLD)

How long have you been doing it?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I've been doing low carb, lowish kcals and relatively low fat. I can't get my head round eating high fat as a diet, but I'm not a huge fan of fatty foods anyway, sugar is or has been my vice but I've managed to cut this right down.

9lbs off in 3 weeks, and hoping for another 2 this week. It's been much easier than I thought but the first 3 days I had such a bad headache.

Ginger

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I've been doing low carb, lowish kcals and relatively low fat. I can't get my head round eating high fat as a diet, but I'm not a huge fan of fatty foods anyway, sugar is or has been my vice but I've managed to cut this right down.

9lbs off in 3 weeks, and hoping for another 2 this week. It's been much easier than I thought but the first 3 days I had such a bad headache.

Ginger "

Well done that’s great. Yeah the first 3 days are horrible

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it...

**Keto flu**

** Keto Breath**

There others too which are low carb, low fat, low cal (VCLD)

How long have you been doing it? "

Why on earth would you do a VLCD? It's not sustainable or healthy.

Not a fan of keto personally as I have an active job and it's not reccomended for people who are very active. But there are people who enjoy it - and that's the point; the best diet is one that you will stick to. If you think you can stick to it, go ahead. I personally would find a life with no prospect of either bread, cake or beer, ever quite depressing.

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By *rchid0103Woman  over a year ago

Southport

Have a look at James Smith on Keto diet might help?

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London

I’ve been keto for ten years, it’s a way of life now.

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London


"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it...

**Keto flu**

** Keto Breath**

There others too which are low carb, low fat, low cal (VCLD)

How long have you been doing it?

Why on earth would you do a VLCD? It's not sustainable or healthy.

Not a fan of keto personally as I have an active job and it's not reccomended for people who are very active. But there are people who enjoy it - and that's the point; the best diet is one that you will stick to. If you think you can stick to it, go ahead. I personally would find a life with no prospect of either bread, cake or beer, ever quite depressing. "

For some of us, those carbs will destroy our health so we don’t have a lot of choice.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it...

**Keto flu**

** Keto Breath**

There others too which are low carb, low fat, low cal (VCLD)

How long have you been doing it?

Why on earth would you do a VLCD? It's not sustainable or healthy.

Not a fan of keto personally as I have an active job and it's not reccomended for people who are very active. But there are people who enjoy it - and that's the point; the best diet is one that you will stick to. If you think you can stick to it, go ahead. I personally would find a life with no prospect of either bread, cake or beer, ever quite depressing. "

Thé same reason lots of people do lots of things because they choose to do so and it’s their life. Judgement much?!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman  over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it...

**Keto flu**

** Keto Breath**

There others too which are low carb, low fat, low cal (VCLD)

How long have you been doing it?

Why on earth would you do a VLCD? It's not sustainable or healthy.

Not a fan of keto personally as I have an active job and it's not reccomended for people who are very active. But there are people who enjoy it - and that's the point; the best diet is one that you will stick to. If you think you can stick to it, go ahead. I personally would find a life with no prospect of either bread, cake or beer, ever quite depressing.

Thé same reason lots of people do lots of things because they choose to do so and it’s their life. Judgement much?! "

He never judged you from where i'm sitting.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman  over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it...

**Keto flu**

** Keto Breath** "

It will work but don't overdo it. I have read that any diet can lead to muscle loss if the weight goes too quickly.

I use keto style eating when I want to lose weight. I'm pretty low carb most of the time anyway. I find that I don't expend enough energy to warrant eating a large amount of carb.

Lack of movement and the easy availability of carbs in unrefined flour and sugar form is why there are so many obesity problems in the west. Not to mention it's cheap food for the masses too.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Switched to Keto several months ago and bizarrely I'm struggling with it because it's been too successful! From what I've read it's basically about feeling full and when you are not eating but I'm finding it difficult not eating at "meal times" even though full. Actually found it easier on low calorie diet but sticking to Keto for the health reasons.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Used for fasting purposes for a while number of reasons. It can be for health reasons!!

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By *riskynriskyCouple  over a year ago

Essex.

Make sure you drink plenty of water...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

The key with any diet is exercise, I know that will have most people hiding behind the sofa as it means time and effort but even 3 times ten minutes of brisk walking is good enough, diet alone will just have you bounce back up weight wise once the body gets used to your diet

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Switched to Keto several months ago and bizarrely I'm struggling with it because it's been too successful! From what I've read it's basically about feeling full and when you are not eating but I'm finding it difficult not eating at "meal times" even though full. Actually found it easier on low calorie diet but sticking to Keto for the health reasons. "

You have polycystic ovaries too?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Did the high protein limited carb Keto diet a few years back.

Not the healthiest diet for long term lifestyle,more for a quick fix body fat stripping diet,and it pushed my cholesterol levels up

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By *horltzMan  over a year ago

heysham

I’ve been doing low carbs on and off for a few months , I lost a stone fairly quickly and I’m now steadily dropping one or two pounds per week , and I’m enjoying my food

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London


"Did the high protein limited carb Keto diet a few years back.

Not the healthiest diet for long term lifestyle,more for a quick fix body fat stripping diet,and it pushed my cholesterol levels up "

Most diabetics do it for life, I’ve been doing it for ten years. Your total level rose, they are supposed to. What were your LDL HDL Trigs and ratios?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Did the high protein limited carb Keto diet a few years back.

Not the healthiest diet for long term lifestyle,more for a quick fix body fat stripping diet,and it pushed my cholesterol levels up

Most diabetics do it for life, I’ve been doing it for ten years. Your total level rose, they are supposed to. What were your LDL HDL Trigs and ratios?

"

Not sure now what the LDL HDL etc readings were,but nurse at Dr's took a blood test and results came back as too high,mind i was having 30+ eggs a week

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London


"Did the high protein limited carb Keto diet a few years back.

Not the healthiest diet for long term lifestyle,more for a quick fix body fat stripping diet,and it pushed my cholesterol levels up

Most diabetics do it for life, I’ve been doing it for ten years. Your total level rose, they are supposed to. What were your LDL HDL Trigs and ratios?

Not sure now what the LDL HDL etc readings were,but nurse at Dr's took a blood test and results came back as too high,mind i was having 30+ eggs a week"

Total cholesterol means nothing and humans need chol to function properly and efficiently, it’s not the evil stuff we are told it is (based on one bad study in the 1940’s)

The majority of it is made by your body and the egg thing is a myth.

Read The Cholesterol Con by a UK GP, Malcom Kendrick, he is great at explaining it simply.

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London


"Make sure you drink plenty of water..."

Not too much actually, the water loss that comes with not bombarding our bodies with carbs can cause hyponatraemia which is why it’s also bad to restrict salt intake at the same time.

Personally, I can swallow water, horrible stuff so I get my fluids from hot drinks.

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London


"The key with any diet is exercise, I know that will have most people hiding behind the sofa as it means time and effort but even 3 times ten minutes of brisk walking is good enough, diet alone will just have you bounce back up weight wise once the body gets used to your diet"

‘You can’t out train a bad diet’. 80% of weight loss is achieved by altering diet, and altering it for good. Exercise helps with muscle development which improves metabolism.

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By *riskynriskyCouple  over a year ago

Essex.


"Make sure you drink plenty of water...

Not too much actually, the water loss that comes with not bombarding our bodies with carbs can cause hyponatraemia which is why it’s also bad to restrict salt intake at the same time.

Personally, I can swallow water, horrible stuff so I get my fluids from hot drinks. "

From memory it's 2 litres a day but that's icluding water in all food a drinks.

The water helps flush the kidneys during a high protein diet.

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London


"Make sure you drink plenty of water...

Not too much actually, the water loss that comes with not bombarding our bodies with carbs can cause hyponatraemia which is why it’s also bad to restrict salt intake at the same time.

Personally, I can swallow water, horrible stuff so I get my fluids from hot drinks.

From memory it's 2 litres a day but that's icluding water in all food a drinks.

The water helps flush the kidneys during a high protein diet."

It’s all a bit of a myth actually, another thing plucked from fable and those that bottle water. The level of protein on keto isn’t all that much higher than average and unless there is kidney damage present, they cope fine with protein.

It’s carbs that do the damage.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm certainly finding it interesting, my friend that is a nurse is convinced in 10 years time that Doctors will be recommending low carb diets as the norm. She had high cholesterol and she tried cutting out fat and it made no difference, she then ditched carbs and went high fat and her cholesterol dropped.

Myself, I don't want to massively cut out food groups as I know that's not sustainable for me, I had terrible eating habits and the 3 week reset I did seems to have worked, I'm not a huge bread fan so no problem there, I've switched to brown, whole grain carbs when I do have them, but I also work on an 90/10 rule I eat like this 90% of the time but there is room for treats, just not as often as I used too.

I've not had chocolate, crisps, pastries, fizzy drinks etc for nearly a month now and I don't miss it, but I know I will eat these at some point but as an occasional treat, and for me that's fine.

Ginger

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London

UK doctors that recommend a low carb diet for everyone.

Aseem Malhotra - consultant cardiologist

David and Jen Unwin -GP’s

Joanne McCormack -GP

Iain Broom - obesity researcher

Kailash Chand OBE - honorary Vice President British Medical Association

There are thousands more, those up there are among the ones that are publicly vocal about the current VERY poor alive spouted by the government and backed up by the healthy eating campaign, which is paid for by manufacturers with a vested interest in keeping us sick and making profit.

Mr Kellog told us that breakfast is the most important meal of the day, he also advocated circumcision to cure boys and men of impure thoughts and actions, the price American men are still paying.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it...

**Keto flu**

** Keto Breath** "

Joe Rogan does it so it must be decent

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By *evil_u_knowMan  over a year ago

city

Research has shown the best way to cut fat is to go on a high carb diet, with no fats but essential, and enough protein to maintain yourself.

eat clean carbs, and clean protein and watch the fat fall off.

or deprive your brain of energy, thats an option too.

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By *eek2find OP   Man  over a year ago

Wigan


"I'm certainly finding it interesting, my friend that is a nurse is convinced in 10 years time that Doctors will be recommending low carb diets as the norm. She had high cholesterol and she tried cutting out fat and it made no difference, she then ditched carbs and went high fat and her cholesterol dropped.

Myself, I don't want to massively cut out food groups as I know that's not sustainable for me, I had terrible eating habits and the 3 week reset I did seems to have worked, I'm not a huge bread fan so no problem there, I've switched to brown, whole grain carbs when I do have them, but I also work on an 90/10 rule I eat like this 90% of the time but there is room for treats, just not as often as I used too.

I've not had chocolate, crisps, pastries, fizzy drinks etc for nearly a month now and I don't miss it, but I know I will eat these at some point but as an occasional treat, and for me that's fine.

Ginger "

How do you feel mentally after doing this diet? I believe there's an initial period of "brain fog", as your body adjusts to the change. I've felt some shakes but that's just sugar cravings.

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London


"Research has shown the best way to cut fat is to go on a high carb diet, with no fats but essential, and enough protein to maintain yourself.

eat clean carbs, and clean protein and watch the fat fall off.

or deprive your brain of energy, thats an option too."

You’ve not read much of the research that blows that theory out of the water then.

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London


"Research has shown the best way to cut fat is to go on a high carb diet, with no fats but essential, and enough protein to maintain yourself.

eat clean carbs, and clean protein and watch the fat fall off.

or deprive your brain of energy, thats an option too."

Google gluconeogenesis.

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By *ire_bladeMan  over a year ago

Manchester

I can't believe I'm 49 and not a Scooby what carbs or saturats are or do but I do know burger king beats mcmingers hands down

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm certainly finding it interesting, my friend that is a nurse is convinced in 10 years time that Doctors will be recommending low carb diets as the norm. She had high cholesterol and she tried cutting out fat and it made no difference, she then ditched carbs and went high fat and her cholesterol dropped.

Myself, I don't want to massively cut out food groups as I know that's not sustainable for me, I had terrible eating habits and the 3 week reset I did seems to have worked, I'm not a huge bread fan so no problem there, I've switched to brown, whole grain carbs when I do have them, but I also work on an 90/10 rule I eat like this 90% of the time but there is room for treats, just not as often as I used too.

I've not had chocolate, crisps, pastries, fizzy drinks etc for nearly a month now and I don't miss it, but I know I will eat these at some point but as an occasional treat, and for me that's fine.

Ginger

How do you feel mentally after doing this diet? I believe there's an initial period of "brain fog", as your body adjusts to the change. I've felt some shakes but that's just sugar cravings. "

The first three days were bad, carb flu I believe they call it, but now I feel great, my head is clear, my energy levels are stable throughout the day, but I've realised just how my body responds to different foods, cous cous makes me feel bloated and I've kicked bad habits of a lifetime.

I've got polycystic ovaries and always struggled to lose weight, I have managed to in the past but I've needed to do huge amounts of exercise as well as healthy eating, but this is the first time I've ever managed to lose weight through diet alone. Now I just need to up the exercise and make this a habit too.

Oh and to me, this isn't a diet, this is just how I eat now, and it feels completely natural.

Ginger

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford

Carbs are only "bad for you" if you have a gluten intolerance or coeliacs disease.

Keto is a clever way of losing weight insomuch as you are taking advantage of the low energy yield from protien and the extra energy needed to utilise fat as an energy source.

It's very difficult to gain weight on low carb diet- I certainly can't, and once again, it's worth noting that it is not recommended for active people.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

One meal a day diet is the only diet that's ever worked for me. I can eat as much as I want or anything I want in the hours of 4pm till 6pm and not anything else in the day. Lost 4 stone since September

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"Carbs are only "bad for you" if you have a gluten intolerance or coeliacs disease.

"

This is not true, people who are insulin resistant have to control carbs to control their insulin, and I believe that is estimated at more than 25% of the Western world? Some truly appalling statistic anyway.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"Carbs are only "bad for you" if you have a gluten intolerance or coeliacs disease.

"

This is not true, people who are insulin resistant have to control carbs to control their insulin, and I believe that is estimated at more than 25% of the Western world? Some truly appalling statistic anyway, I'll check later. Diabetes stats for a few countries are as follows:

The International Diabetes Federation (IDF) currently states that the top 5 countries with the highest amount of people with diabetes are as follows:

China: 109 million

India: 69 million

USA: 29 million

Brazil: 14 million

Russian Federation: 12 million

And that is just the tip of the iceberg - I reckon at least 10x that number would be insulin resistant, no one is measuring, not humans anyway.

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By *opsy RogersWoman  over a year ago

London

Lots of cognitive dissonance on the thread.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm doing keto, never more than 30 grams of carbs a day. I have keto strips to pee on and my body is in ketosis. I do a carb refeed every two weeks otherwise my weight loss plateaus.

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By *eek2find OP   Man  over a year ago

Wigan

***Update***

Feeling awesome! I'm curious to how my gains will be affected towards cutting phase, (when I approach that stage). Will I reduce fat intake or balance protein fat 1:1. I should imagine I will be more tired than usual, especially incomparison to the usual diet of cutting down on carbs. Keep everyone posted

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

U will actually feel great x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Just started this, has anyone tried it? The thought of eating a shed load of fatty foods in order to lose weight sounds good. The absence of carbs though is going to be a bummer. The temporary side effects as your body gets use to it is also a downside but it should be worth it...

**Keto flu**

** Keto Breath**

It will work but don't overdo it. I have read that any diet can lead to muscle loss if the weight goes too quickly.

I use keto style eating when I want to lose weight. I'm pretty low carb most of the time anyway. I find that I don't expend enough energy to warrant eating a large amount of carb.

Lack of movement and the easy availability of carbs in unrefined flour and sugar form is why there are so many obesity problems in the west. Not to mention it's cheap food for the masses too.

"

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By *_Yeah19Couple  over a year ago

Lincoln

Not going to go back and quote everything but Topsy, I love you! Everything I was going to reply you’ve already said so have saved me a massive job! And it’s brilliant to find someone on the same wavelength who actually makes the effort to look into and research things and not just do whatever the latest Kardashian is doing . So I would echo everything Topsy said initially

My personal experience, I’ve been Keto for about a year and low carb for about 2 years before that. I do it as it solves my health problems, and as nice as cake/bread/biscuits may be, they’re not as nice as not being ill so I’m sticking with it as a long term lifestyle now. SSS has been on board with the low carb for the last few months too and looking smokin as I’m sure you’ll agree

It really isn’t something you can dabble in though, your body has to go through some pretty big changes to do it properly so you do have to go into it with a long term focus.

I’m currently doing a MSc in Food and Nutrition so am not averse to researching things and I wouldn’t do or recommend anything for myself or those I love that I’m not 100% begins and happy with the evidence of. Humans have been eating this way for thousands of years and it’s been used medically for the last 100 so it’s hardly a fad diet; the press have just picked it up lately and turned it into one (those damn Kardashians have a lot to answer for!)

So my main take away points would be:

1. Carbs are the only non-essential macronutrient so no worries in limiting them;

2. Yes there are some temporary side effects but the long term gains outweigh them;

3. You do not need glucose for energy, your body can happily run on fat and produce all the glucose it needs itself;

4. If everyone just cut out processed non-food and adopted a lowER carb approach, then there would be a lot less fat and sick peoplevin the world.

TB

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"One meal a day diet is the only diet that's ever worked for me. I can eat as much as I want or anything I want in the hours of 4pm till 6pm and not anything else in the day. Lost 4 stone since September "

Yes, intermittent fasting is very effective, but we use a bigger feeding window when we do it.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Is it like the pale diet?

I only have to look at good and I put weight on lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Is it like the pale diet?

I only have to look at food and I put weight on lol

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

For me, healthy balanced diet and lots of exercise.

I lost 2 stone in 2 months just from doing this.

I'm not at risk of diabetes so I don't see why I should put myself on a no carb diet.

I don't take in a lot of any particular food group which I personally think is a better way of staying healthy.

Too many people jump on the zero/low carb bandwagon too easily without checking out all of the consiquences.

I would much rather get off my arse and take exercise, than sit on my arse eating high fat food and loose weight.

Exercise is brilliant for your mental health.

Each to their own, this is just my opinion and my experience.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Anyone interested in Keri read "the primal blueprint'

Thank me later.

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By *lceeWoman  over a year ago

Leeds

I was looking into keto but I’m really active so I’ll stick with my 40:40:20 balance for protein:carbs:fat. Before I started protein bulking this week, I lost 75lb in a year or so just doing a range of different exercise and eating a veggie wholegrain diet. With the occasional croissant or pork pie binge.

I’ll go back to that when I finish the bulk in a few weeks - everyone just has to find their own way that works for them.

We’re all of us awesome

PS: keto breath? Try protein farts

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

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"For me, healthy balanced diet and lots of exercise.

I lost 2 stone in 2 months just from doing this.

I'm not at risk of diabetes "

How do you know??

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"For me, healthy balanced diet and lots of exercise.

I lost 2 stone in 2 months just from doing this.

I'm not at risk of diabetes

How do you know??"

I know because I have my mot's with my gp. I'm not overweight, I eat a relatively good diet, I exercise and because my doctor says so! It doesn't run in my family and I don't have any of the pre-cursers for diabetes.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"For me, healthy balanced diet and lots of exercise.

I lost 2 stone in 2 months just from doing this.

I'm not at risk of diabetes

How do you know??

I know because I have my mot's with my gp. I'm not overweight, I eat a relatively good diet, I exercise and because my doctor says so! It doesn't run in my family and I don't have any of the pre-cursers for diabetes. "

Haha, you could still have raging insulin resistance - that's the point, people become insulin resistant YEARS before they show any sign of diabetes, and without any of the obvious risk factors being present.

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford

Nothing like a spot of diet evangelism to put people off, eh?

I'd like to see the "evidence" that humans have been carb-free for aeons. There are plenty of easily available, easily digestible carb sources that predate agriculture. They aren't as likley to show up in stomach content analysis, mind.

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By *eek2find OP   Man  over a year ago

Wigan

Had the worst headache ever last night. Considering I never get them it was quite concerning. Felt like I was having an aneurism or something. Apparently this can be helped with bone broth? Could be a sodium defecit. Wish I knew this last night...

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By *_Yeah19Couple  over a year ago

Lincoln


"

I'd like to see the "evidence" that humans have been carb-free for aeons. There are plenty of easily available, easily digestible carb sources that predate agriculture. "

Maybe, but you can be sure as hell they weren’t eating HiFi bars and Muller Lights aeons ago, so I know which way of eating is closer to the optimal human diet and that’s good enough for me.

TB

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By *_Yeah19Couple  over a year ago

Lincoln


"Had the worst headache ever last night. Considering I never get them it was quite concerning. Felt like I was having an aneurism or something. Apparently this can be helped with bone broth? Could be a sodium defecit. Wish I knew this last night..."

Yeah it can take a bit of tweaking to get all the mineral balances right. Bone broth can be useful, I found that having half an avocado a day and using pink Himalayan salt helped.

TB

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Not going to go back and quote everything but Topsy, I love you! Everything I was going to reply you’ve already said so have saved me a massive job! And it’s brilliant to find someone on the same wavelength who actually makes the effort to look into and research things and not just do whatever the latest Kardashian is doing . So I would echo everything Topsy said initially

My personal experience, I’ve been Keto for about a year and low carb for about 2 years before that. I do it as it solves my health problems, and as nice as cake/bread/biscuits may be, they’re not as nice as not being ill so I’m sticking with it as a long term lifestyle now. SSS has been on board with the low carb for the last few months too and looking smokin as I’m sure you’ll agree

It really isn’t something you can dabble in though, your body has to go through some pretty big changes to do it properly so you do have to go into it with a long term focus.

I’m currently doing a MSc in Food and Nutrition so am not averse to researching things and I wouldn’t do or recommend anything for myself or those I love that I’m not 100% begins and happy with the evidence of. Humans have been eating this way for thousands of years and it’s been used medically for the last 100 so it’s hardly a fad diet; the press have just picked it up lately and turned it into one (those damn Kardashians have a lot to answer for!)

So my main take away points would be:

1. Carbs are the only non-essential macronutrient so no worries in limiting them;

2. Yes there are some temporary side effects but the long term gains outweigh them;

3. You do not need glucose for energy, your body can happily run on fat and produce all the glucose it needs itself;

4. If everyone just cut out processed non-food and adopted a lowER carb approach, then there would be a lot less fat and sick peoplevin the world.

TB"

gets rid of cellulite too, I find

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"The key with any diet is exercise, I know that will have most people hiding behind the sofa as it means time and effort but even 3 times ten minutes of brisk walking is good enough, diet alone will just have you bounce back up weight wise once the body gets used to your diet"

Lost just under 5 stone without doing any specific exercise whatsoever last year and kept it off.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I’ve been keeping to a carnivore diet. Mostly meat but when I need to I fill in with small quantities of carbs. No veg apart from in dish like meatballs and pastas. Mainly steaks for dinner and maybe lunch. Everyday eggs for brekkie and bacon. See dr Shawn baker on google for more on the carnivore diet

As a athlete for rowing I’ve put on some serious gains and gotten much more lean and bigger in muscle mass.

I never found any bowel issues over the last month and half. You don’t need fiber and the vegatables your eating aren’t that great. Fresh meat has everything you need. I drink 3litres of water plus a day too.

Avoiding dairy as I get acne with it too.

May sound odd but it works for me and my stomach is much more settled now. Pm me any questions.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Not going to go back and quote everything but Topsy, I love you! Everything I was going to reply you’ve already said so have saved me a massive job! And it’s brilliant to find someone on the same wavelength who actually makes the effort to look into and research things and not just do whatever the latest Kardashian is doing . So I would echo everything Topsy said initially

My personal experience, I’ve been Keto for about a year and low carb for about 2 years before that. I do it as it solves my health problems, and as nice as cake/bread/biscuits may be, they’re not as nice as not being ill so I’m sticking with it as a long term lifestyle now. SSS has been on board with the low carb for the last few months too and looking smokin as I’m sure you’ll agree

It really isn’t something you can dabble in though, your body has to go through some pretty big changes to do it properly so you do have to go into it with a long term focus.

I’m currently doing a MSc in Food and Nutrition so am not averse to researching things and I wouldn’t do or recommend anything for myself or those I love that I’m not 100% begins and happy with the evidence of. Humans have been eating this way for thousands of years and it’s been used medically for the last 100 so it’s hardly a fad diet; the press have just picked it up lately and turned it into one (those damn Kardashians have a lot to answer for!)

So my main take away points would be:

1. Carbs are the only non-essential macronutrient so no worries in limiting them;

2. Yes there are some temporary side effects but the long term gains outweigh them;

3. You do not need glucose for energy, your body can happily run on fat and produce all the glucose it needs itself;

4. If everyone just cut out processed non-food and adopted a lowER carb approach, then there would be a lot less fat and sick peoplevin the world.

Brilliantly written. I (mr) have followed this exact way of dieting and lost 4 stone. Never felt so good and healthier . I thoroughly encourage anyone to go for this diet. My energy levels in comparison is night and day and no health issues as I got an mot before Christmas just in case. This is my way of life now but will give myself a treat day once a week or so. That’s for being good

TB"

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"

I'd like to see the "evidence" that humans have been carb-free for aeons. There are plenty of easily available, easily digestible carb sources that predate agriculture.

Maybe, but you can be sure as hell they weren’t eating HiFi bars and Muller Lights aeons ago, so I know which way of eating is closer to the optimal human diet and that’s good enough for me.

TB"

This is the sort of condescending bollocks that I mean.

Ive been lardy and lost weight, and believe me, you can easily do it whilst at the same time also enjoying the odd fucking mars bar or muller light or what the fuck ever else it is that you like. Most people don't give a bollocks about "the optimum human diet", whatever the fuck that is for an omnivore.

The diet and fitness industry seems to like to convince people that it is "hard" to lose weight, mostly to sell them a diet or products to make it "easier". The problem is, that if you are overweight and you buy into this mantra, you are likely to give up before you have even started. Very few people want to make sweeping diet changes that may involve them doing things like eating separate dinners from the rest of their family etc. It certainly also doesn't help when people start bleating on that carbs are "poison" and certain diets cure all kinds of ills, and if you don't want to be SICK you should so this incredibly restrictive (to most people) diet NOW.

I started losing weight by not having a bag of crisps and a penguin with my lunch. When that worked, I started making my breakfasts slightly lower calorie (I had eggs - I love eggs, but used too think they made you fat). I then started having slightly smaller dinners.

Then I decided to start excercising again, which led me to calorie counting and looking at my macros etc - but I did not get to that point straight away.

This is why I say (repeatedly) that the best diet is the one you will stick to. Do keto if you fancy it, but it's no good doing it if you cave and have cake after two weeks. Do Mediterranean if you think you'll like it, but whatever you do, any weightloss programme that you actually stick to is many times better than one you don't.

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By *_Yeah19Couple  over a year ago

Lincoln

You lost me at ‘bollocks’ tbf so you think what you like and I’ll think what I like.

TB

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"You lost me at ‘bollocks’ tbf so you think what you like and I’ll think what I like.

TB"

See? My agenda is to help people who may be a bit fat (like I was) and yours seems to be to show off about how amazing your diet is.

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By *_Yeah19Couple  over a year ago

Lincoln

The thread wasn’t ‘the best way to lose weight’ it was about Keto which is what I mentioned. If I find a losing weight thread then I may well comment in a wider vein.

TB

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By *imiUKMan  over a year ago

Hereford


"The thread wasn’t ‘the best way to lose weight’ it was about Keto which is what I mentioned. If I find a losing weight thread then I may well comment in a wider vein.

TB"

See: my first post on the thread in which I said Keto was fine - if you could stick to it (I can't). My problem is with later dietary evangelism, where people claim you ought to be on a keto diet or you'll die.

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By *eek2find OP   Man  over a year ago

Wigan

Without sounding gross had the worst constipation yesterday. Talk about torture!

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Without sounding gross had the worst constipation yesterday. Talk about torture!"

Get yourself some psyllium husk, couple of teaspoons of that a day will provide all the fibre you need without adding any carbs, it's available online and probably Holland & Barret type places.

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By *eek2find OP   Man  over a year ago

Wigan


"Without sounding gross had the worst constipation yesterday. Talk about torture!

Get yourself some psyllium husk, couple of teaspoons of that a day will provide all the fibre you need without adding any carbs, it's available online and probably Holland & Barret type places."

Thanks, I'll be sure to get some!

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"Without sounding gross had the worst constipation yesterday. Talk about torture!

Get yourself some psyllium husk, couple of teaspoons of that a day will provide all the fibre you need without adding any carbs, it's available online and probably Holland & Barret type places.

Thanks, I'll be sure to get some! "

Can also use it to make low carb griddle cakes!

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman  over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"Without sounding gross had the worst constipation yesterday. Talk about torture!

Get yourself some psyllium husk, couple of teaspoons of that a day will provide all the fibre you need without adding any carbs, it's available online and probably Holland & Barret type places.

Thanks, I'll be sure to get some! "

Drink water by the bucket load

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By *_Yeah19Couple  over a year ago

Lincoln

I got psyllium from BulkPowders website, found it cheapest there. Add some to food if you can’t tolerate it on its own.

And whilst I think about it, if you haven’t tried FatHead pizza yet it’s an amazing Keto friendly pizza and an easy way of adding in some psyllium too

TB

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By *_Yeah19Couple  over a year ago

Lincoln

And to add, that should pass before long as well as any other short term side effects. You just have to battle through but come out the other side feeling amazing

One mistake I made early on was to concentrate on meat and cheese too much and forget about veggies. Once I added in plenty of veg and half an avocado a day it went a lot better

TB

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Keto diets are very effective. Can be difficukt to start with . But eventually your brain will stop craving carbs

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By *eek2find OP   Man  over a year ago

Wigan

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By *eek2find OP   Man  over a year ago

Wigan


"Keto diets are very effective. Can be difficukt to start with . But eventually your brain will stop craving carbs "

Buddy what's your ab workout regimen? Sporting some seriously chiselled ones there I see.

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By *risky_MareWoman  over a year ago

...Up on the Downs


"I got psyllium from BulkPowders website, found it cheapest there. Add some to food if you can’t tolerate it on its own.

"

They only do powdered husk which tends to thicken up in seconds when it hits liquid! Just whole psyllium husk is easier to work/cook with I find and available online by 500g/1kg very reasonably.

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By *teelyblueCouple  over a year ago

Coulsdon

The headaches and nausea experienced when you remove carbs from your diet is largely a result of dehydration - cutting carbs causes your body to release retained water.

So you need to replace lost water/electrolytes. The best way to do this is to drink a glass of warm water with pink salt each time you experience carb flu.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm doing keto, never more than 30 grams of carbs a day. I have keto strips to pee on and my body is in ketosis. I do a carb refeed every two weeks otherwise my weight loss plateaus. "

Do you have to do less than 30g until you get into ketosis? What is a carb refeed?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"And to add, that should pass before long as well as any other short term side effects. You just have to battle through but come out the other side feeling amazing

One mistake I made early on was to concentrate on meat and cheese too much and forget about veggies. Once I added in plenty of veg and half an avocado a day it went a lot better

TB"

What are the best veg? How much is plenty? How many carbs were you having each day? Sorry for all the questions.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Ive just finished 28 day of eating nothing but bacon.

Blood pressure dropped, body fat dropped from 14% to 11%

Bags of energy & stronger

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm doing keto, never more than 30 grams of carbs a day. I have keto strips to pee on and my body is in ketosis. I do a carb refeed every two weeks otherwise my weight loss plateaus.

Do you have to do less than 30g until you get into ketosis? What is a carb refeed?"

A carb refeed is just when you eat a shit load of carbs for a day!

This was ages ago. I didn't stick to this. I started eating crap again.

A good thing to have though and they sell it in Asda, cauliflower rice. I was having that with fish and even chilli com carne instead of having rice, it was actually alright to eat.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I'm doing keto, never more than 30 grams of carbs a day. I have keto strips to pee on and my body is in ketosis. I do a carb refeed every two weeks otherwise my weight loss plateaus.

Do you have to do less than 30g until you get into ketosis? What is a carb refeed?

A carb refeed is just when you eat a shit load of carbs for a day!

This was ages ago. I didn't stick to this. I started eating crap again.

A good thing to have though and they sell it in Asda, cauliflower rice. I was having that with fish and even chilli com carne instead of having rice, it was actually alright to eat. "

Thanks.

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By *_Yeah19Couple  over a year ago

Lincoln


"And to add, that should pass before long as well as any other short term side effects. You just have to battle through but come out the other side feeling amazing

One mistake I made early on was to concentrate on meat and cheese too much and forget about veggies. Once I added in plenty of veg and half an avocado a day it went a lot better

TB

What are the best veg? How much is plenty? How many carbs were you having each day? Sorry for all the questions. "

I never measured how much but probably around 30g most days, now a year and a half later I probably hover around 40g most days.

Best veg are green leafy ones, but basically ones that grow above ground (and corn is not a veg!). There’s a good pictorial list on the Diet Doctor website.

I was just making sure I had some kind of salad with lunch, and a good half plateful with dinner but also with butter to keep the fats high.

Tbh though that was just to get through the early days, I did a pretty much zero carb carnivore week a while ago and it was great, so maybe that’s something you just have to build up to.

TB

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By *_Yeah19Couple  over a year ago

Lincoln


"Ive just finished 28 day of eating nothing but bacon.

Blood pressure dropped, body fat dropped from 14% to 11%

Bags of energy & stronger"

I quite believe it after my zero carb carnivore week experiment

TB

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