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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Annoyed I missed this piece yesterday. Just seen it on the Beeb.
Did anyone else listen to it? "
It was basically based on veganism and how such a large portion of them are extremists basically. I thought it was a little one sided in parts but good overall. |
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"Annoyed I missed this piece yesterday. Just seen it on the Beeb.
Did anyone else listen to it?
It was basically based on veganism and how such a large portion of them are extremists basically. I thought it was a little one sided in parts but good overall."
One sided against veganism? |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Annoyed I missed this piece yesterday. Just seen it on the Beeb.
Did anyone else listen to it?
It was basically based on veganism and how such a large portion of them are extremists basically. I thought it was a little one sided in parts but good overall.
One sided against veganism? "
There has been press coverage of extremist activist vegans threatening farmers. I didn't hear the radio piece but as it has been "Veganuary" for some there has been a lot of coverage, relatively, in favour and against vegans and veganism.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I saw an article in the paper today about it. The vegan seemed pretty hardcore and very angry taking offence at Jeremy having a cheese and ham sandwich on the desk, though I do wonder if this was somewhat orchestrated to provoke such a reaction.
What I don't really get is if Vegans were to get their way, what would happen to all the animals? as surely if we are not using them for food, milk, leather and wool then the population of these animals would drop massively?
Ginger |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I saw an article in the paper today about it. The vegan seemed pretty hardcore and very angry taking offence at Jeremy having a cheese and ham sandwich on the desk, though I do wonder if this was somewhat orchestrated to provoke such a reaction.
What I don't really get is if Vegans were to get their way, what would happen to all the animals? as surely if we are not using them for food, milk, leather and wool then the population of these animals would drop massively?
Ginger "
They would, but they want that to some extent. They don't want animals to be bred for use but to breed and live naturally. That would mean pet cows etc.
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Anyone wishing to truly change the status quo will be viewed as an 'extremist'.
The cruel treatment of animals exists, we know it exists, many don't mind that it exists, it's legal.
But does that make it right? |
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"Anyone wishing to truly change the status quo will be viewed as an 'extremist'.
The cruel treatment of animals exists, we know it exists, many don't mind that it exists, it's legal.
But does that make it right?"
To be fair, calling farmers rapists and murderers is what makes some vegans extremists and is bang out of order in my book.
They eat my foods food but I don't go around calling them names.
I appreciate and respect the stand they are taking but they are by far the most belligerent group of people I've come across. I like meat, I enjoy eating meat, I like the texture and the flavour of meat, I eat as much of an animal as I can. I have no issue with a kill it, cook it, eat it approach to meat. I know my meat doesn't come neatly vac packed for my convenience. Yes, there are issues around some animal husbandry and I welcome changes to see that improve but I dint go around telling vegans they can't be vegans even though they seem to think they have the right to preach to me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Anyone wishing to truly change the status quo will be viewed as an 'extremist'.
The cruel treatment of animals exists, we know it exists, many don't mind that it exists, it's legal.
But does that make it right?
To be fair, calling farmers rapists and murderers is what makes some vegans extremists and is bang out of order in my book.
They eat my foods food but I don't go around calling them names.
I appreciate and respect the stand they are taking but they are by far the most belligerent group of people I've come across. I like meat, I enjoy eating meat, I like the texture and the flavour of meat, I eat as much of an animal as I can. I have no issue with a kill it, cook it, eat it approach to meat. I know my meat doesn't come neatly vac packed for my convenience. Yes, there are issues around some animal husbandry and I welcome changes to see that improve but I dint go around telling vegans they can't be vegans even though they seem to think they have the right to preach to me. "
Well said. I have seen vegan posts on social media that are wrong on so many levels, slating farmers and showing pictures of calves and lambs for example who are having routine treatment such as debudding or worming and the pictures are being made out to be the death knell for said animal. |
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By * and BCouple
over a year ago
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I heard him on Jeremy Vine.... Boy was he Mr Angry, surely a chill pill wouldn't have any animal extract. He definitely needed one. I wondered if he was as passionate about saving the world or if he had his lettuce sandwiches wrapped in plastic |
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It’s quite ironic that the need to clear land to grow the amount of food like soy etc will cause a massive loss of natural habitat for animals anyway leading to possible extinctions.
The total vegan world won’t work at this time |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I heard him on Jeremy Vine.... Boy was he Mr Angry, surely a chill pill wouldn't have any animal extract. He definitely needed one. I wondered if he was as passionate about saving the world or if he had his lettuce sandwiches wrapped in plastic"
agree, he was a very angry guy, totally lost in his way, wanting to condemn all and everyone who ate meat or wore clothing made from animal skins |
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"It’s quite ironic that the need to clear land to grow the amount of food like soy etc will cause a massive loss of natural habitat for animals anyway leading to possible extinctions.
The total vegan world won’t work at this time "
You do realise that is nonsense don't you
The point is all products derived from animals require more space for the same energy and nutrients x
However meat eggs and milk taste really good and have a fantastic flavour and their nutrient density is difficult to match from any one tasty plant source xxx
Most Vegans like to think they are helping the planet and humanity I like to think they are too
Some nasty people who are vegan like to bully and make threats I really don't like those sort of people but that SORT of person is not exclusive to not eating meat x vegans and vegetarians are correct
Meat is murder and morally wrong , humans are evolved enough to be beyond base animal instincts
However , I do not think there is a grand moral judge and I feel my finite life at this moment is good with meat involved mainly convenience and nutrition and can live with myself being immoral x
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By *lceeWoman
over a year ago
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I’m veganish...I eat mostly vegan at home but if my buddha bowl is going to taste better with some slices of fried halloumi then I’m not going to stint myself.
I enjoy it...but it’s my choice. I’m not going to shove it down anyone’s throats. If anyone wants to know why I choose to eat this way or how to put together stupendous vegan feasts, they can ask.
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"It’s quite ironic that the need to clear land to grow the amount of food like soy etc will cause a massive loss of natural habitat for animals anyway leading to possible extinctions.
The total vegan world won’t work at this time
You do realise that is nonsense don't you
The point is all products derived from animals require more space for the same energy and nutrients x
However meat eggs and milk taste really good and have a fantastic flavour and their nutrient density is difficult to match from any one tasty plant source xxx
Most Vegans like to think they are helping the planet and humanity I like to think they are too
Some nasty people who are vegan like to bully and make threats I really don't like those sort of people but that SORT of person is not exclusive to not eating meat x vegans and vegetarians are correct
Meat is murder and morally wrong , humans are evolved enough to be beyond base animal instincts
However , I do not think there is a grand moral judge and I feel my finite life at this moment is good with meat involved mainly convenience and nutrition and can live with myself being immoral x
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Change my mind explain why it’s not nonsense?
How much land and habitat is being destroyed daily for say........Soya?
As I said change my mind I’m open |
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The old '
'a 'xx' said/did this so all 'xx''s must be like this'
seems horribly common on this site.
Do you know what ascribing negative characteristics to a whole group of people based on (quite often a second hand) experience with one person is don't you?
Prejudice. |
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By *lceeWoman
over a year ago
Leeds |
"The old '
'a 'xx' said/did this so all 'xx''s must be like this'
seems horribly common on this site.
Do you know what ascribing negative characteristics to a whole group of people based on (quite often a second hand) experience with one person is don't you?
Prejudice."
Dude, I want to hug you so hard, sometimes.  |
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Sorry, but meat is not murder.
Murder is defined as:
"The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."
Meat is butchery 
The use of the team murder is to tug on emotional heartstrings to bring an emotional content into the debate. |
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"It’s quite ironic that the need to clear land to grow the amount of food like soy etc will cause a massive loss of natural habitat for animals anyway leading to possible extinctions.
The total vegan world won’t work at this time
You do realise that is nonsense don't you
The point is all products derived from animals require more space for the same energy and nutrients x
However meat eggs and milk taste really good and have a fantastic flavour and their nutrient density is difficult to match from any one tasty plant source xxx
Most Vegans like to think they are helping the planet and humanity I like to think they are too
Some nasty people who are vegan like to bully and make threats I really don't like those sort of people but that SORT of person is not exclusive to not eating meat x vegans and vegetarians are correct
Meat is murder and morally wrong , humans are evolved enough to be beyond base animal instincts
However , I do not think there is a grand moral judge and I feel my finite life at this moment is good with meat involved mainly convenience and nutrition and can live with myself being immoral x
Change my mind explain why it’s not nonsense?
How much land and habitat is being destroyed daily for say........Soya?
As I said change my mind I’m open "
Or indeed how much land is destroyed for palm oil or sugar
The answer is
Not as much as if the same nutritional value was required from meat
Thus if more land used for meat production was utilised for veggietive production across the world there would be less need to cut trees down to make way for the soya and palm production
The maths is along the lines of
This is purely illustrative
To feed a million for a year with veg only one requires
50 000 hectares
To feed with meat it requires 200 000 hectares
Ok the maths was
Per hectare
Wheat 8 tonnes
Sheep 1 tonnes or 10 per hectare that is the sustainable grazing rate , you can have 100 in a small field but will have to move them regularly
Ok 8 tonnes of wheat give 20 to 24 million calories
1 tonne of lamb gives 3 million at most
Even nuts yield 1.7 tonnes per hectare and their nutritional stats blow all meat out of the water at 10 million well balanced calories with 27 percent protein x
The point is population is growing
Land is being grabbed for all purposes and thus habitat lost for some veg crops
Use some of the meat land more efficiently for crops and less habitat will need to go x
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"Sorry, but meat is not murder.
Murder is defined as:
"The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."
Meat is butchery
The use of the team murder is to tug on emotional heartstrings to bring an emotional content into the debate. "
Dissecting dead flesh is butchery x
Meat is the consequence of a creature that once breathed often with a consciousness that has usually had it's life cut short by the deliberate act of a human for purely pleasure reasons
The only word that distinguishes murders from meat production is the word human however we still wilfully take the lives of animals there is no moral justification for this other than
I want to and I can without repercussion thus I will xxx
I will reiterate, I eat meat x |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"It’s quite ironic that the need to clear land to grow the amount of food like soy etc will cause a massive loss of natural habitat for animals anyway leading to possible extinctions.
The total vegan world won’t work at this time
You do realise that is nonsense don't you
The point is all products derived from animals require more space for the same energy and nutrients x
However meat eggs and milk taste really good and have a fantastic flavour and their nutrient density is difficult to match from any one tasty plant source xxx
Most Vegans like to think they are helping the planet and humanity I like to think they are too
Some nasty people who are vegan like to bully and make threats I really don't like those sort of people but that SORT of person is not exclusive to not eating meat x vegans and vegetarians are correct
Meat is murder and morally wrong , humans are evolved enough to be beyond base animal instincts
However , I do not think there is a grand moral judge and I feel my finite life at this moment is good with meat involved mainly convenience and nutrition and can live with myself being immoral x
Change my mind explain why it’s not nonsense?
How much land and habitat is being destroyed daily for say........Soya?
As I said change my mind I’m open
Or indeed how much land is destroyed for palm oil or sugar
The answer is
Not as much as if the same nutritional value was required from meat
Thus if more land used for meat production was utilised for veggietive production across the world there would be less need to cut trees down to make way for the soya and palm production
The maths is along the lines of
This is purely illustrative
To feed a million for a year with veg only one requires
50 000 hectares
To feed with meat it requires 200 000 hectares
Ok the maths was
Per hectare
Wheat 8 tonnes
Sheep 1 tonnes or 10 per hectare that is the sustainable grazing rate , you can have 100 in a small field but will have to move them regularly
Ok 8 tonnes of wheat give 20 to 24 million calories
1 tonne of lamb gives 3 million at most
Even nuts yield 1.7 tonnes per hectare and their nutritional stats blow all meat out of the water at 10 million well balanced calories with 27 percent protein x
The point is population is growing
Land is being grabbed for all purposes and thus habitat lost for some veg crops
Use some of the meat land more efficiently for crops and less habitat will need to go x
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All of this ignores basic geography.
Class one ag land is that suitable for growing crops (some can be grown on slightly poorer soil). It is the most valuable land, financially because the potential profit from cropping outweighs that of livestock rearing.
There is some cross over on poorer land - dairying requires very good quality pasture ans there may be potential to plough some of it, possibly if it was drained properly.
Sheep (and in other countries, goats) and some of the hardier breeds of cattle enable us to produce protein from land that otherwise wouldn't be cropped.
Go to typical sheep farming areas (uplands etc) and look at the soils and the topography. Realise why it isn't ploughed.
There are more sheep appearing on arable areas, but they are usually used to eat a fodder crop, which brings fertility to that land (through the sheeps poo), which means less chemical fertilisers are needed.
Animals that don't graze (pigs, chicken) do eat cereal based diets, and there may be more efficient ways to produce them, but it is worth noting that they do not eat grains suitable for human consumption. |
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"plenty of arsehole meat-eaters out there ..funny how they never get criticised..most vegans just get on with it "
you just did..
or is calling meat eaters arseholes not a criticism..
or are you referring to a particular cut of meat? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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People always call vegans extremists but I think slaughtering innocent animals and eat their dead flesh is way more extreme than encouraging people not to lol  |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Annoyed I missed this piece yesterday. Just seen it on the Beeb.
Did anyone else listen to it? "
Yes I did and could not believe the bitter nasty vitriol coming from the vegan.They criticise the killing of animals for food etc yet act like total thugs.
It is natural in the animal world for one animal to eat another.
I believe the courts should be very very hard on these nasty low life vegans who are not fit to be human.
I am sure they are not all like this but it was nasty |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I saw an article in the paper today about it. The vegan seemed pretty hardcore and very angry taking offence at Jeremy having a cheese and ham sandwich on the desk, though I do wonder if this was somewhat orchestrated to provoke such a reaction.
What I don't really get is if Vegans were to get their way, what would happen to all the animals? as surely if we are not using them for food, milk, leather and wool then the population of these animals would drop massively?
Ginger "
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I do a lot of crew catering and feed all sorts of hippies, druids, witches and similar folk. I spend many hours cooking for all sorts of dietary needs and the most difficult are vegans when others are carnivores and mostly, the carnivores are the ones that end up going without.
Almost without exception, the vegans will eat their food and then eye up the cake. On telling them that it’s not vegan, they smile and eat it with some pathetic words of excuses. |
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"People always call vegans extremists but I think slaughtering innocent animals and eat their dead flesh is way more extreme than encouraging people not to lol "
Some are extremists and use radicalisation techniques to strong arm people into converting to their cause. If this were about religion and not food the responses would be very different.
Some are bullies and law breakers, trespassing on private land and calling farmers murderers and rapists. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"People always call vegans extremists but I think slaughtering innocent animals and eat their dead flesh is way more extreme than encouraging people not to lol "
Interesting. Are carnivorous animals inherently cruel? |
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"People always call vegans extremists but I think slaughtering innocent animals and eat their dead flesh is way more extreme than encouraging people not to lol "
So?
what is your answer?
Lead the animals to extinction?
if cows were not farmed for milk & meat where would they go? they wouldn't be on the farms
so where would they go?
could they survive in woodlands?
on hill tops, as wild ferrous cattle
disease would set in
they would lead a much worse life
but please do tell me you fight for that cause |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People always call vegans extremists but I think slaughtering innocent animals and eat their dead flesh is way more extreme than encouraging people not to lol
So?
what is your answer?
Lead the animals to extinction?
if cows were not farmed for milk & meat where would they go? they wouldn't be on the farms
so where would they go?
could they survive in woodlands?
on hill tops, as wild ferrous cattle
disease would set in
they would lead a much worse life
but please do tell me you fight for that cause "
Lol at you believing not eating meat would cause animals to beco.w extinct  |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"People always call vegans extremists but I think slaughtering innocent animals and eat their dead flesh is way more extreme than encouraging people not to lol
So?
what is your answer?
Lead the animals to extinction?
if cows were not farmed for milk & meat where would they go? they wouldn't be on the farms
so where would they go?
could they survive in woodlands?
on hill tops, as wild ferrous cattle
disease would set in
they would lead a much worse life
but please do tell me you fight for that cause
Lol at you believing not eating meat would cause animals to beco.w extinct "
You laugh, but who would keep them?
How would you stop them from suffering the same fate as wild animals insomuch as they would breed until they had eaten all the food, then some would starve....etc. |
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"People always call vegans extremists but I think slaughtering innocent animals and eat their dead flesh is way more extreme than encouraging people not to lol
So?
what is your answer?
Lead the animals to extinction?
if cows were not farmed for milk & meat where would they go? they wouldn't be on the farms
so where would they go?
could they survive in woodlands?
on hill tops, as wild ferrous cattle
disease would set in
they would lead a much worse life
but please do tell me you fight for that cause
Lol at you believing not eating meat would cause animals to beco.w extinct
You laugh, but who would keep them?
How would you stop them from suffering the same fate as wild animals insomuch as they would breed until they had eaten all the food, then some would starve....etc."
Surely a vegan would choose to starve rather than take the food out of the animals mouths?!
All that would happen if domesticated farm stock was set free is we would end up culling them as they over populate and cause a nuisance. Now that would be a needless killing. We wouldn't be able to eat them because, you know, meat is murder. So they'd end up being buried or burnt. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Over the weekend I witnessed a pair of very vocal vegans try to shame a young waitress for serving chicken nuggets at a children's party, until said waitress told them she was vegetarian herself but if her job requires her to serve chicken she will do her job without argument.
Angry vegans were later seen stuffing their faces with egg mayo sandwiches and birthday cake when they were hungry...never even asked whether the eggs used were higher welfare or free range.
This is where many vegans lose all credibility to me and just come across as angry bullies.  |
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Just listened to it.
I would hope that no Vegan would try and shame me or my family when I undertake the completely lawful activity of munching on my steak and cheese sub.
Once saw a vegan thread on here descend into complete farce and name calling where a young female vociferously pointed out her views on meat eaters. All while having a profile pic of them sprawling on a leather bed.
The vegan equivalent of sitting on Cecil the lion. |
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"plenty of arsehole meat-eaters out there ..funny how they never get criticised..most vegans just get on with it
you just did..
or is calling meat eaters arseholes not a criticism..
or are you referring to a particular cut of meat?"
i was referring to meateaters that are arseholes...
the fact they are meateaters wont be and issue ..so why is it when u get a vegan arsehole everyone start to have a go at all vegans .. most just get on with it quietly..then if u say your a vegan ..or veggie some people want to have a go , you asking all sorts of dumb questions |
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"plenty of arsehole meat-eaters out there ..funny how they never get criticised..most vegans just get on with it
you just did..
or is calling meat eaters arseholes not a criticism..
or are you referring to a particular cut of meat?
i was referring to meateaters that are arseholes...
the fact they are meateaters wont be and issue ..so why is it when u get a vegan arsehole everyone start to have a go at all vegans .. most just get on with it quietly..then if u say your a vegan ..or veggie some people want to have a go , you asking all sorts of dumb questions "
Arse holes are just that, plenty of them about but when did you last hear of a meat eater having a go at someone in a shop or restaurant because they are vegetarian or vegan..?
The Alf used to commit arson on the meat industry, there's never been the equivalent group of nutters prepared to endanger lives and livelihoods of people because they eat vegetables..
Lot of angry people seem to be attracted to such causes..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What does it matter if people eat meat or are vegetarians or vegans? Eat what you want to eat but dont preach to others like an arsehole thinking your better just because you chose to go vegan, nobody likes an arsehole |
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"What does it matter if people eat meat or are vegetarians or vegans? Eat what you want to eat but dont preach to others like an arsehole thinking your better just because you chose to go vegan, nobody likes an arsehole"
its doesnt but people always want to have a go at all vegans for
being extremist nutters ..theres plenty of prejudice from people on here..
ironic really as they often rant on about racism ,sexism and other forms of intolerance
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What does it matter if people eat meat or are vegetarians or vegans? Eat what you want to eat but dont preach to others like an arsehole thinking your better just because you chose to go vegan, nobody likes an arsehole"
Exactly. In my personal experience meat eater preach more than others.
I agree that some vegans do it to that next level those, But so do some meat eaters.
There are idiots on all sides of the spectrum |
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"What does it matter if people eat meat or are vegetarians or vegans? Eat what you want to eat but dont preach to others like an arsehole thinking your better just because you chose to go vegan, nobody likes an arsehole
Exactly. In my personal experience meat eater preach more than others.
I agree that some vegans do it to that next level those, But so do some meat eaters.
There are idiots on all sides of the spectrum "
Got to disagree, have dealt with the effects of albeit a small minority of radical extremists happy to set multiple seats of fire some with aerosols next to them as part of their campaign..
Have yet to hear of death threats, threats to business or property to any vegetarian or vegan by anyone because that is their choice to not eat meat.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What does it matter if people eat meat or are vegetarians or vegans? Eat what you want to eat but dont preach to others like an arsehole thinking your better just because you chose to go vegan, nobody likes an arsehole
Exactly. In my personal experience meat eater preach more than others.
I agree that some vegans do it to that next level those, But so do some meat eaters.
There are idiots on all sides of the spectrum
Got to disagree, have dealt with the effects of albeit a small minority of radical extremists happy to set multiple seats of fire some with aerosols next to them as part of their campaign..
Have yet to hear of death threats, threats to business or property to any vegetarian or vegan by anyone because that is their choice to not eat meat.. "
The key words in my post were "in my personal experience " you can't disagree with something I've dealt with first hand lol |
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"What does it matter if people eat meat or are vegetarians or vegans? Eat what you want to eat but dont preach to others like an arsehole thinking your better just because you chose to go vegan, nobody likes an arsehole
Exactly. In my personal experience meat eater preach more than others.
I agree that some vegans do it to that next level those, But so do some meat eaters.
There are idiots on all sides of the spectrum
Got to disagree, have dealt with the effects of albeit a small minority of radical extremists happy to set multiple seats of fire some with aerosols next to them as part of their campaign..
Have yet to hear of death threats, threats to business or property to any vegetarian or vegan by anyone because that is their choice to not eat meat..
The key words in my post were "in my personal experience " you can't disagree with something I've dealt with first hand lol "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It’s quite ironic that the need to clear land to grow the amount of food like soy etc will cause a massive loss of natural habitat for animals anyway leading to possible extinctions.
The total vegan world won’t work at this time "
This isn't strictly true. The land is already in use, growing the food that's being fed to the animals we're eating.
There is a or of exaggeration on both sides of this argument unfortunately, which makes it practically impossible to make an informed decision.
Personally, I'd go vegan tomorrow if I wasn't such a lazy/crap cook. I've watched a lot of the documentaries on this subject and just don't think eating meat is healthy. Maybe organically raised animals, that aren't mistreated and pumped with chemicals, would be better for us and the animals... Who knows!? |
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"It’s quite ironic that the need to clear land to grow the amount of food like soy etc will cause a massive loss of natural habitat for animals anyway leading to possible extinctions.
The total vegan world won’t work at this time
You do realise that is nonsense don't you
The point is all products derived from animals require more space for the same energy and nutrients x
However meat eggs and milk taste really good and have a fantastic flavour and their nutrient density is difficult to match from any one tasty plant source xxx
Most Vegans like to think they are helping the planet and humanity I like to think they are too
Some nasty people who are vegan like to bully and make threats I really don't like those sort of people but that SORT of person is not exclusive to not eating meat x vegans and vegetarians are correct
Meat is murder and morally wrong , humans are evolved enough to be beyond base animal instincts
However , I do not think there is a grand moral judge and I feel my finite life at this moment is good with meat involved mainly convenience and nutrition and can live with myself being immoral x
Change my mind explain why it’s not nonsense?
How much land and habitat is being destroyed daily for say........Soya?
As I said change my mind I’m open "
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"What does it matter if people eat meat or are vegetarians or vegans? Eat what you want to eat but dont preach to others like an arsehole thinking your better just because you chose to go vegan, nobody likes an arsehole
Exactly. In my personal experience meat eater preach more than others.
I agree that some vegans do it to that next level those, But so do some meat eaters.
There are idiots on all sides of the spectrum "
In my experience, vegans do preach more. Meat eaters have no need to preach, because they are the status quo.
Meat eaters are far more likely to sneer at someone for being vegan though. |
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There are 60 million people in the country and 400000 of them are vegan its such a small minority that theyre not really much to worry about and it's a long long way to go to get a vegan society. I am a farmer and also a meat eater naturally. Let them eat what they like more stakes for us.
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Nit all are like that. My dad was diagnosed with terminal cancer in October. They gave him two to three months. He did some research into cancer and found out that there are certain meats and other foods that actually feed the cancer. He therefore decided to go on a totally vegan diet. God bless him he us still with us and doing ok five months on. So my point is that some just do it for heath reasons. |
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"Do vegans have cats?
I know a vegan that has cats and a dog. As far as I know, she doesn't eat them! "
Ask them how many animals their cat tortures and kills just for fun... ask them when their pet is old and sick will they have it put down or make it live out its days in pain and suffering?
My personal view is we are carnivores, meat should be part of our diet. Without meat production many areas of our countryside would revert to none productive scrub, growers would need to use more artificial fertilisers to replace nutrients currently applied as manures, and many species of domestic animals would face extinction. I would rather see vegans become extinct |
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Yeah also in my experience vegans do preach quite a lot and get pissed off when you tell them that there opinion means nothing to you and that your still going to eat meat. I had a woman give me shit for carrying a new plastic £5 note as apparently it contains animal product to make the material, I couldnt care less but according to her I was promoting the death of innocent animals by accepting the money and eating meat, fuck right off with that bullshit! I dont promote cruelty I love animals its not as if im going about punching kittens or anything. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Yeah also in my experience vegans do preach quite a lot and get pissed off when you tell them that there opinion means nothing to you and that your still going to eat meat. I had a woman give me shit for carrying a new plastic £5 note as apparently it contains animal product to make the material, I couldnt care less but according to her I was promoting the death of innocent animals by accepting the money and eating meat, fuck right off with that bullshit! I dont promote cruelty I love animals its not as if im going about punching kittens or anything."
The new £10 notes do too and it's likely the new £20 will when it is released.
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"Do vegans have cats?
I know a vegan that has cats and a dog. As far as I know, she doesn't eat them! "
Not sure why they would 'eat them'..
Just wondering how a vegan opposed to animals being slaughtered for consumption may feel about their cat killing birds..
Is there a vegan diet for a domestic cat I wonder.. |
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"Do vegans have cats?
I know a vegan that has cats and a dog. As far as I know, she doesn't eat them!
Not sure why they would 'eat them'..
Just wondering how a vegan opposed to animals being slaughtered for consumption may feel about their cat killing birds..
Is there a vegan diet for a domestic cat I wonder.. "
I'll ask her.
As far as I'm aware, they aren't against killing in the natural world. It's about people choosing to eat meat, when it isn't actually necessary anymore. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Do vegans have cats?
I know a vegan that has cats and a dog. As far as I know, she doesn't eat them!
Not sure why they would 'eat them'..
Just wondering how a vegan opposed to animals being slaughtered for consumption may feel about their cat killing birds..
Is there a vegan diet for a domestic cat I wonder..
I'll ask her.
As far as I'm aware, they aren't against killing in the natural world. It's about people choosing to eat meat, when it isn't actually necessary anymore."
Cats aren't "the natural world" though, they are a domestic pet. Because people buy them and breed them, their numbers are exponentially higher than any level at which feral cats could exist. |
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"Do vegans have cats?
I know a vegan that has cats and a dog. As far as I know, she doesn't eat them!
Not sure why they would 'eat them'..
Just wondering how a vegan opposed to animals being slaughtered for consumption may feel about their cat killing birds..
Is there a vegan diet for a domestic cat I wonder..
I'll ask her.
As far as I'm aware, they aren't against killing in the natural world. It's about people choosing to eat meat, when it isn't actually necessary anymore.
Cats aren't "the natural world" though, they are a domestic pet. Because people buy them and breed them, their numbers are exponentially higher than any level at which feral cats could exist."
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"Do vegans have cats?
I know a vegan that has cats and a dog. As far as I know, she doesn't eat them!
Not sure why they would 'eat them'..
Just wondering how a vegan opposed to animals being slaughtered for consumption may feel about their cat killing birds..
Is there a vegan diet for a domestic cat I wonder..
I'll ask her.
As far as I'm aware, they aren't against killing in the natural world. It's about people choosing to eat meat, when it isn't actually necessary anymore.
Cats aren't "the natural world" though, they are a domestic pet. Because people buy them and breed them, their numbers are exponentially higher than any level at which feral cats could exist."
Pet cat's and dogs eat all those ground up alive male chicks though don't they? How do vegans justify pet food? That really is frivolous! |
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over a year ago
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"Do vegans have cats?
I know a vegan that has cats and a dog. As far as I know, she doesn't eat them!
Not sure why they would 'eat them'..
Just wondering how a vegan opposed to animals being slaughtered for consumption may feel about their cat killing birds..
Is there a vegan diet for a domestic cat I wonder..
I'll ask her.
As far as I'm aware, they aren't against killing in the natural world. It's about people choosing to eat meat, when it isn't actually necessary anymore.
Cats aren't "the natural world" though, they are a domestic pet. Because people buy them and breed them, their numbers are exponentially higher than any level at which feral cats could exist.
Pet cat's and dogs eat all those ground up alive male chicks though don't they? How do vegans justify pet food? That really is frivolous!"
There's a site called Vegan Cat dot com!  |
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"Do vegans have cats?
I know a vegan that has cats and a dog. As far as I know, she doesn't eat them!
Not sure why they would 'eat them'..
Just wondering how a vegan opposed to animals being slaughtered for consumption may feel about their cat killing birds..
Is there a vegan diet for a domestic cat I wonder..
I'll ask her.
As far as I'm aware, they aren't against killing in the natural world. It's about people choosing to eat meat, when it isn't actually necessary anymore.
Cats aren't "the natural world" though, they are a domestic pet. Because people buy them and breed them, their numbers are exponentially higher than any level at which feral cats could exist."
You're right, they aren't and should really be de-clawed, but that's another topic entirely.
It's about intelligence and choices. What vegans feed their pets, I have no idea. But I know some people feed their dogs vegetable diets. Whether they are vegan, or whether a vegetable diet is good for a dog, I have no idea!? |
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The trouble is it’s been proven that plants have feelings, they feel pain.....
So is it in humane to kill plants? Or just because they aren’t fluffy and nice it’s ok? |
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To reach their own, more power to you. I can appreciate the importance of exposing animal abuse and ensuring that animals kept for farming live comfortably and as natural as possible.
There's a limited small list of types of animals most (meat-eaters) eat. They do not eat all animals; a few types of birds (mainly chicken and turkey), a few types of cattle (mostly cow and sheep), fish and pigs.
Humans are animals and animals eat other animals. We'll never stop the animal kingdom from eating each other so we'll never stop humans either. But we can change eating habits and only buy from local farms. It cuts down on mass production. But I get why a vegan would want to cut it out all together to boycott the industry. But some of us make a distinction between boycotting the meat industry and eating meat in general and in principle. |
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any Vegans on here care to suggest what would happen to the animals if all stopped eating meat?
must be one brave enough to have an attempt
where would they go? because they sure as hell wouldn't be on farm land?
would their immune system fight off all infectious disease by itself?
would they survive in woodlands, hill tops and moors
where would they get the food they require to survive
who would remove the rotten corpses when disease sets in and they die off
They aint agile like deer, so how would they manoeuvre from place to place getting over fences |
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"Do vegans have cats?
I know a vegan that has cats and a dog. As far as I know, she doesn't eat them!
Not sure why they would 'eat them'..
Just wondering how a vegan opposed to animals being slaughtered for consumption may feel about their cat killing birds..
Is there a vegan diet for a domestic cat I wonder.. "
Yes, certain people attempt to feed cats on a vegan diet. It's not healthy at all for the cat and totally idiotic. |
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I hate the term "eating meat is not necessary". A lot of modern Life isn't necessary, it's convenience. I like meat, it tastes great. I also enjoy a lot of other conveniences that I could survive without but choose not to.
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"I hate the term "eating meat is not necessary". A lot of modern Life isn't necessary, it's convenience. I like meat, it tastes great. I also enjoy a lot of other conveniences that I could survive without but choose not to.
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Eating meat is a necessity for me I simply couldn’t imagine a life without steak or jerk chicken. |
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"To reach their own, more power to you. I can appreciate the importance of exposing animal abuse and ensuring that animals kept for farming live comfortably and as natural as possible.
There's a limited small list of types of animals most (meat-eaters) eat. They do not eat all animals; a few types of birds (mainly chicken and turkey), a few types of cattle (mostly cow and sheep), fish and pigs.
Humans are animals and animals eat other animals. We'll never stop the animal kingdom from eating each other so we'll never stop humans either. But we can change eating habits and only buy from local farms. It cuts down on mass production. But I get why a vegan would want to cut it out all together to boycott the industry. But some of us make a distinction between boycotting the meat industry and eating meat in general and in principle. "
. We have a world with a massive human population so without mass food production most of the population would starve to death.. |
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"any Vegans on here care to suggest what would happen to the animals if all stopped eating meat?
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I will say first I'm not a vegan. I've been vegetarian since I was 13, a choice I made at the time because I loved animals, therefore I didn't consider anything other than the fact I didn't want to eat meat.
My understanding is that currently animals that are bred purely for meat have no quality of life. The idea being if people became vegan, many of the current animals may die, for many of the reasons you stated. However, the animals that were born afterwards would be fewer but have a better life. As for the exact details, if humanity decided to become vegan I'm sure these things would be considered and debated heavily.
The worrying issue at the moment is as our western based meat diet becomes more accepted the larger the issue of world hunger. I'll like to point out I speak about this from a purely science based background. It takes more grain to feed the animals that feed us than it would to feed people directly. This is actually leading to industry researching more pesticides etc. To force grow more crops for these animals.
I would never suggest to anyone that they became vegetarian or vegan. It should always be a choice. I do believe that eventually people will be forced to eat less meat as at the rate we are going it is unsustaible.
I believe in sharing knowledge, debating and supporting each other in society. Therefore, I don't support name calling or violent acts/intimation by anyone regardless of their cause.
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I remember when some animal rights activists broke into a poultry factory near where I used to live and set fire to it, they clearly didn't think it through as 7 or 8 trucks parked outside went up in flames whilst loaded with live birds, all of which were roasted alive!
I used to be a farmer myself so I know where my food comes from and still choose to eat meat. As long as the slaughter is humane then I can live with it. I have seen some grim farms and I have seen some cruel staff on those places which does anger me, but British farming is well regulated these days and most farmers do take good care of their livestock.
I do take issue with Halal and Kosher slaughter methods, they are unnecessarily cruel and should be banned, but until society and the government are able to stand up to religion then that won't change. |
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"Do vegans have cats?
I know a vegan that has cats and a dog. As far as I know, she doesn't eat them!
Not sure why they would 'eat them'..
Just wondering how a vegan opposed to animals being slaughtered for consumption may feel about their cat killing birds..
Is there a vegan diet for a domestic cat I wonder.. Yes, certain people attempt to feed cats on a vegan diet. It's not healthy at all for the cat and totally idiotic."
Is this fact, or just your opinion? Just curious, as I haven't seen any evidence either way!? |
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"I hate the term "eating meat is not necessary". A lot of modern Life isn't necessary, it's convenience. I like meat, it tastes great. I also enjoy a lot of other conveniences that I could survive without but choose not to.
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The difference being that other conveniences don't necessarily come at the expense of other living creatures. |
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The entire vegan belief system is based on sentiment not science. I don't have anything against them but i will not tolerate these people (or anyone else) trying to dictate to me how i should live my life when it's clearly none of their business. |
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"any Vegans on here care to suggest what would happen to the animals if all stopped eating meat?
must be one brave enough to have an attempt
where would they go? because they sure as hell wouldn't be on farm land?
would their immune system fight off all infectious disease by itself?
would they survive in woodlands, hill tops and moors
where would they get the food they require to survive
who would remove the rotten corpses when disease sets in and they die off
They aint agile like deer, so how would they manoeuvre from place to place getting over fences "
Right, here goes. I am a farmer with cattle and the males go for beef and females are sold for breeding.
Where would they Go.?
Your Right, not farm land so I guess some common land, uplands ect . If they have no commercial worth no one will keep them or pay to fence them in. Potentially you then have a lot of people killing themselves and random cows wandering the highways. Anybody that has hit a deer will know and a cow will be 10 times worse!
There immune system
Yes and no. Through time it will be survival of the fittest. There will be issues with worms and liver fluke so many will die and there is always lameness, infected cuts. Just like humans, antibiotics are needed for such cases. We only give antibiotics to any animal when necessary .
Who will feed them?
No One! They will have to revert back to a natural order and the herd will be restricted by the available food/ forage. Many calfs will not make it through the first winter and the bull calfs will suffer the most as with any herd there will be one dominant bull.
There is a small island in the orkneys that was abandoned and the cattle were left. The cattle have not had human intervention for 30 plus years and are fit and healthy and have adapted. It is important to note the herd remains almost the same size as that's all the island can sustain. Therefore the reality is it's survival of the fittest. Many calfs will not make the winter as well as poorer cows who will die slow suffering deaths. On the farm we would be locked up for allowing this to happen. However it is a natural process on this island so makes it ok as no human has decided there fate??
Anyway, apologies for blabbing on. Should be working instead of typing this all out but hopefully gives some of you an insight! I'm not saying what's right or wrong! Feel free to message if you have any questions. |
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"I hate the term "eating meat is not necessary". A lot of modern Life isn't necessary, it's convenience. I like meat, it tastes great. I also enjoy a lot of other conveniences that I could survive without but choose not to.
The difference being that other conveniences don't necessarily come at the expense of other living creatures. "
Really, some would argue that we can live without electricity, the production of which harms the planet. The precious metal components of the phone, tablet or laptop/PC used to visit this site likely have precious metals mined in some third world country by locals paid next to nothing. I could go on. |
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"any Vegans on here care to suggest what would happen to the animals if all stopped eating meat?
must be one brave enough to have an attempt
where would they go? because they sure as hell wouldn't be on farm land?
would their immune system fight off all infectious disease by itself?
would they survive in woodlands, hill tops and moors
where would they get the food they require to survive
who would remove the rotten corpses when disease sets in and they die off
They aint agile like deer, so how would they manoeuvre from place to place getting over fences
Right, here goes. I am a farmer with cattle and the males go for beef and females are sold for breeding.
Where would they Go.?
Your Right, not farm land so I guess some common land, uplands ect . If they have no commercial worth no one will keep them or pay to fence them in. Potentially you then have a lot of people killing themselves and random cows wandering the highways. Anybody that has hit a deer will know and a cow will be 10 times worse!
There immune system
Yes and no. Through time it will be survival of the fittest. There will be issues with worms and liver fluke so many will die and there is always lameness, infected cuts. Just like humans, antibiotics are needed for such cases. We only give antibiotics to any animal when necessary .
Who will feed them?
No One! They will have to revert back to a natural order and the herd will be restricted by the available food/ forage. Many calfs will not make it through the first winter and the bull calfs will suffer the most as with any herd there will be one dominant bull.
There is a small island in the orkneys that was abandoned and the cattle were left. The cattle have not had human intervention for 30 plus years and are fit and healthy and have adapted. It is important to note the herd remains almost the same size as that's all the island can sustain. Therefore the reality is it's survival of the fittest. Many calfs will not make the winter as well as poorer cows who will die slow suffering deaths. On the farm we would be locked up for allowing this to happen. However it is a natural process on this island so makes it ok as no human has decided there fate??
Anyway, apologies for blabbing on. Should be working instead of typing this all out but hopefully gives some of you an insight! I'm not saying what's right or wrong! Feel free to message if you have any questions. "
I believe they feed on sea w e e d and they are "given" hay in winter!!!!!!
if indeed you are referring to Swona |
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Social Media..
Every post has a comments section full of extremist viewpoints.
Intolerance is no longer the reserve of religious fundamentalists.
Which is partially why I've given my Facebook "Fweinds" A weeks notice that I'm leaving.
Venomous veggies, Angry animal activists, fundamentalist feminists and stupid supremacists. They can turn anything into a fight.
If like to think I'm an animal rights campaigner, I shop as sensibly and ethically as I can. Yet I enjoy the taste of meat and other animal products. I'm against hunting wild animals, due to the ever decreasing populations and habitat. Also, if we all hunted, there wouldn't be enough to go round. Blood sports like Fox Hunting are illegal and I support the ban. Though I'd support a rifle hunt, if you could prove foxes are a pest and the farmer didn't use every alternate method to protect his poultry.
I've a friend, she's intelligent, fortunate enough to be born beautiful and has a natural talent for Dance. She has shunned other professions she could easily do, that pay more, in preference to dance. She used to work on the Pro Darts circuit, but has lost her job. Other women and their fervent male supporters feel demeaned by HER choice to foallow HER dreams. She is strong enough and confident enough to spurn any unwanted affection. She certainly put me in my place when I audibly cringed when she told me she was a darts dancer.
"Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one" The old saying goes. I'd add that if you're going to bother expressing it. Try to think, before you speak, do some research beforehand, be open minded and speak with respect.
We all have a right to live how we choose, provided we are not hurting anyone else. Animals are being tortured unessercarily in our farming and food production industry. I really wish Vegans, Veggies and Peskies who feel it's appropriate to attack those with a balanced diet.. an evolutionary specific diet.. would focus their energies on the industry and it's methods. Rather than wasting words in a forum (Guilty). All that does is create meaningless conflict |
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Correct me if I'm wrong.
1)There are 19 essential amounts acids the body needs.
2) the only source of these aminos that is not an animal product is soya.
3) soya production is mainly in produced in America and almost all of it is genetically modified.
4) soya has phyto-estrogens.
5) you have to have the 19 essential aminos every 24hrs.
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"Correct me if I'm wrong.
1)There are 19 essential amounts acids the body needs.
2) the only source of these aminos that is not an animal product is soya.
3) soya production is mainly in produced in America and almost all of it is genetically modified.
4) soya has phyto-estrogens.
5) you have to have the 19 essential aminos every 24hrs.
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I thought vitamin B12 was the only thing you can't get from plants, but I've never really looked into it.
Apparently, it's getting harder to find it in meet too, as a lot of the livestock don't eat directly from the ground now, which us where it's found. |
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"Correct me if I'm wrong.
1)There are 19 essential amounts acids the body needs.
2) the only source of these aminos that is not an animal product is soya.
3) soya production is mainly in produced in America and almost all of it is genetically modified.
4) soya has phyto-estrogens.
5) you have to have the 19 essential aminos every 24hrs.
I thought vitamin B12 was the only thing you can't get from plants, but I've never really looked into it.
Apparently, it's getting harder to find it in meet too, as a lot of the livestock don't eat directly from the ground now, which us where it's found."
Chemicals, vitamins and nutrients aside.. I just look at teeth. Tells me all I need to know. I'm omnivorous. I'll happily defend a vegetarians right to choose what they want to eat though, without resorting to an argument over it. |
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"plenty of arsehole meat-eaters out there ..funny how they never get criticised..most vegans just get on with it "
Attitudes like this illustrate why I never invite a vegan to one of my social gatherings. |
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"any Vegans on here care to suggest what would happen to the animals if all stopped eating meat?
must be one brave enough to have an attempt
where would they go? because they sure as hell wouldn't be on farm land?
would their immune system fight off all infectious disease by itself?
would they survive in woodlands, hill tops and moors
where would they get the food they require to survive
who would remove the rotten corpses when disease sets in and they die off
They aint agile like deer, so how would they manoeuvre from place to place getting over fences
Right, here goes. I am a farmer with cattle and the males go for beef and females are sold for breeding.
Where would they Go.?
Your Right, not farm land so I guess some common land, uplands ect . If they have no commercial worth no one will keep them or pay to fence them in. Potentially you then have a lot of people killing themselves and random cows wandering the highways. Anybody that has hit a deer will know and a cow will be 10 times worse!
There immune system
Yes and no. Through time it will be survival of the fittest. There will be issues with worms and liver fluke so many will die and there is always lameness, infected cuts. Just like humans, antibiotics are needed for such cases. We only give antibiotics to any animal when necessary .
Who will feed them?
No One! They will have to revert back to a natural order and the herd will be restricted by the available food/ forage. Many calfs will not make it through the first winter and the bull calfs will suffer the most as with any herd there will be one dominant bull.
There is a small island in the orkneys that was abandoned and the cattle were left. The cattle have not had human intervention for 30 plus years and are fit and healthy and have adapted. It is important to note the herd remains almost the same size as that's all the island can sustain. Therefore the reality is it's survival of the fittest. Many calfs will not make the winter as well as poorer cows who will die slow suffering deaths. On the farm we would be locked up for allowing this to happen. However it is a natural process on this island so makes it ok as no human has decided there fate??
Anyway, apologies for blabbing on. Should be working instead of typing this all out but hopefully gives some of you an insight! I'm not saying what's right or wrong! Feel free to message if you have any questions.
I believe they feed on sea w e e d and they are "given" hay in winter!!!!!!
if indeed you are referring to Swona"
I can't remember the name of the place (although it sould be easy enough to google) but theres an island somewhere off the coast of NZ that was abandoned in the late 19th century, but the sheep were left. They still exist there. Most are now brown (the "natural" coulor for sheep) and shed either fully or partly. |
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"Correct me if I'm wrong.
1)There are 19 essential amounts acids the body needs.
2) the only source of these aminos that is not an animal product is soya.
3) soya production is mainly in produced in America and almost all of it is genetically modified.
4) soya has phyto-estrogens.
5) you have to have the 19 essential aminos every 24hrs.
I thought vitamin B12 was the only thing you can't get from plants, but I've never really looked into it.
Apparently, it's getting harder to find it in meet too, as a lot of the livestock don't eat directly from the ground now, which us where it's found.
Chemicals, vitamins and nutrients aside.. I just look at teeth. Tells me all I need to know. I'm omnivorous. I'll happily defend a vegetarians right to choose what they want to eat though, without resorting to an argument over it."
Homo sapiens - the ultimate generalist. We can exist on an incredibly varied diet from mostly fat and meat all winter (see: Innuit) or can be almost exlusively vegetarian (lots of India, for example). |
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if indeed you are referring to Swona
I can't remember the name of the place (although it sould be easy enough to google) but theres an island somewhere off the coast of NZ that was abandoned in the late 19th century, but the sheep were left. They still exist there. Most are now brown (the "natural" coulor for sheep) and shed either fully or partly. "
Chatham Islands? It was on the telly recently.
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Homo sapiens - the ultimate generalist. We can exist on an incredibly varied diet from mostly fat and meat all winter (see: Innuit) or can be almost exlusively vegetarian (lots of India, for example). "
We are basically scavengers. I'm not sure that our teeth have anything to do with being meat eaters, as we come from Apes, which for the most part, are vegetarian. I'm not sure how tbet feel about dairy though...  |
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Homo sapiens - the ultimate generalist. We can exist on an incredibly varied diet from mostly fat and meat all winter (see: Innuit) or can be almost exlusively vegetarian (lots of India, for example).
We are basically scavengers. I'm not sure that our teeth have anything to do with being meat eaters, as we come from Apes, which for the most part, are vegetarian. I'm not sure how tbet feel about dairy though... "
Teeth suggest we eat meat. We're related to apes, not descended from them, we share a common ancestor. Our closest relative being the chimpanzee, which will happily hunt and rodents, reptiles, smaller mammals, birds, other primates and have been known to kill and eat younger chimps.
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Homo sapiens - the ultimate generalist. We can exist on an incredibly varied diet from mostly fat and meat all winter (see: Innuit) or can be almost exlusively vegetarian (lots of India, for example).
We are basically scavengers. I'm not sure that our teeth have anything to do with being meat eaters, as we come from Apes, which for the most part, are vegetarian. I'm not sure how tbet feel about dairy though...
Teeth suggest we eat meat. We're related to apes, not descended from them, we share a common ancestor. Our closest relative being the chimpanzee, which will happily hunt and rodents, reptiles, smaller mammals, birds, other primates and have been known to kill and eat younger chimps.
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This thread has just put me in the mood for a T-Bone today
will have to book a table at the Champany, Linlithgow
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My sister is a very preachy vegan. She asked me to try a week as a vegan. I agreed as long as she tried a week as a carnivore. Apparently that's unreasonable.
If we weren't meant to eat a variety of foods including meat we wouldn't have the teeth we do or be able to digest it. In fact some plant fodder is hard for us to digest. |
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over a year ago
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"My sister is a very preachy vegan. She asked me to try a week as a vegan. I agreed as long as she tried a week as a carnivore. Apparently that's unreasonable.
If we weren't meant to eat a variety of foods including meat we wouldn't have the teeth we do or be able to digest it. In fact some plant fodder is hard for us to digest. "
All plant matter is harder for all animals to digest. This is why herbivores have much more extensive digestive tracts than carnivores. Humans have both the ilieum and the colon (which many carnivores lack), meaning they can digest most plant matter, but not more cellulose rich plants, such as grass. |
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As a person who's life is involved in agriculture . My blood pressure hit the roof . Vegans don't really have a idea on feeding the world as plant based proteins are not a option for most uk and world farmers .
why . cropping rotation ,inputs and growing cycles .
its not a viable option in the uk due to weather patterns and to meet this we would need to have massive green houses and power requirements that would not get close to feeding us . finally what would happen to current farm animal population ,farmers wont be able to feed ,as feed cost so is vegan tax payer happy to subsidise the farmer to keep these animals Or are they just culled and buried ,kind of defeats the object really We are still years away from say maggot based protein .
Homo sapiens are meat eaters ,and while we can all make a choice on what we choose to eat . VEGANISM really is not conducive if you life in rain parched areas . |
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"My sister is a very preachy vegan. She asked me to try a week as a vegan. I agreed as long as she tried a week as a carnivore. Apparently that's unreasonable.
If we weren't meant to eat a variety of foods including meat we wouldn't have the teeth we do or be able to digest it. In fact some plant fodder is hard for us to digest.
All plant matter is harder for all animals to digest. This is why herbivores have much more extensive digestive tracts than carnivores. Humans have both the ilieum and the colon (which many carnivores lack), meaning they can digest most plant matter, but not more cellulose rich plants, such as grass."
Which is why cows have four stomachs right? What I want to know is there any animal out there that can fully digest sweet corn? |
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this annoys me to no end, ive been called a cow rapist, baby stealer, psychopath, murderer etc.
oh btw im a dairy farmer, i love my girls. im up at all hours to make sure theyre ok, fed, clean and happy. ive spent hours with calfs in the house trying to get them through the night and yea it wrecks you when one dies but what the vegans dont know is if we spend time worrying or crying about the dead one the alive ones suffer.
im the mrs of the couple and he had no idea how much work went into them when he got with me lol poor sod |
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"this annoys me to no end, ive been called a cow rapist, baby stealer, psychopath, murderer etc.
oh btw im a dairy farmer, i love my girls. im up at all hours to make sure theyre ok, fed, clean and happy. ive spent hours with calfs in the house trying to get them through the night and yea it wrecks you when one dies but what the vegans dont know is if we spend time worrying or crying about the dead one the alive ones suffer.
im the mrs of the couple and he had no idea how much work went into them when he got with me lol poor sod"
with you all the way , people need feeding but think it comes from the magic fields |
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"this annoys me to no end, ive been called a cow rapist, baby stealer, psychopath, murderer etc.
oh btw im a dairy farmer, i love my girls. im up at all hours to make sure theyre ok, fed, clean and happy. ive spent hours with calfs in the house trying to get them through the night and yea it wrecks you when one dies but what the vegans dont know is if we spend time worrying or crying about the dead one the alive ones suffer.
im the mrs of the couple and he had no idea how much work went into them when he got with me lol poor sod
with you all the way , people need feeding but think it comes from the magic fields "
Im another wishing you well
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thanks guys, we know the majority do but when they are so violent it is unreal. yet have the cheek to call me the crazy one (while 80% of the time wearing leather boots....irony )
our daughter is growing up understanding the world not like some of the kids now. we have even had complaints from the school as she has told other kids that their ham sandwhich was once a pig.
shes 6, she assumes everyone knows this. |
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"thanks guys, we know the majority do but when they are so violent it is unreal. yet have the cheek to call me the crazy one (while 80% of the time wearing leather boots....irony )
our daughter is growing up understanding the world not like some of the kids now. we have even had complaints from the school as she has told other kids that their ham sandwhich was once a pig.
shes 6, she assumes everyone knows this."
Wasn't there a story recently of a school keeping pigs to teach the children where their meat comes from? Some vegetarian/vegan parents objected when it came time to slaughter them and the school was forced to essentially make them pets. Thus defeating the purpose of the exercise.
I would have thought the vegetarian/vegan parents could have seen that some children might have wanted to convert to a meat free life after learning the truth about where meat comes from. Instead they learned that pushy parents can change the lesson plan and pigs are time consuming pets.
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yea that was in wales, the school gave them back to the farmer who sent them to slaughter. their plan was to teach them to raise, prepare and cook the meat. ensuring they are raised right and live happily until then. fair play to the school for not sending them to the vegan sanctuary that the parents where pushing for.
realistically its costs around 2 grand a year to feed, house and keep a cow happy, not including unforeseen vet calls so how does a sanctuary justify this???? |
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"yea that was in wales, the school gave them back to the farmer who sent them to slaughter. their plan was to teach them to raise, prepare and cook the meat. ensuring they are raised right and live happily until then. fair play to the school for not sending them to the vegan sanctuary that the parents where pushing for.
realistically its costs around 2 grand a year to feed, house and keep a cow happy, not including unforeseen vet calls so how does a sanctuary justify this????"
Vegan sanctuary? Isn't that just a petting zoo?
Vegans and some vegetarians I know won't support a lot of medical charities, like the British Heart Foundation, because of research and tests to use animal organs and tissue for human transplants.
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i thought it was a petting zoo until i heard about the numbers they have!!! im sorry but organs and internal bits arent alive anymore and can be usefull so why waste them?
if they only knew how much stuff had animal derivitives in it they would cry....or send more hate mail haha
lets not even get into the damage they cause with their soya and palm oil |
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"i thought it was a petting zoo until i heard about the numbers they have!!! im sorry but organs and internal bits arent alive anymore and can be usefull so why waste them?
if they only knew how much stuff had animal derivitives in it they would cry....or send more hate mail haha
lets not even get into the damage they cause with their soya and palm oil"
I do have the soya argument regularly. Nearly all of it is GM or GM contaminated. |
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"i thought it was a petting zoo until i heard about the numbers they have!!! im sorry but organs and internal bits arent alive anymore and can be usefull so why waste them?
if they only knew how much stuff had animal derivitives in it they would cry....or send more hate mail haha
lets not even get into the damage they cause with their soya and palm oil
I do have the soya argument regularly. Nearly all of it is GM or GM contaminated."
How does GM differ from standard hybridisation of plants? |
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not even the gm element of it, the destruction and co2 produced in creating the land to grow it on. this is when they usually turn to the co2 production of cows but what they forget to factor into that argument is the amount of grass cows eat that would be creating co2 vs what they emit near enough cancels each other out |
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"i thought it was a petting zoo until i heard about the numbers they have!!! im sorry but organs and internal bits arent alive anymore and can be usefull so why waste them?
if they only knew how much stuff had animal derivitives in it they would cry....or send more hate mail haha
lets not even get into the damage they cause with their soya and palm oil
I do have the soya argument regularly. Nearly all of it is GM or GM contaminated.
How does GM differ from standard hybridisation of plants? "
Hybrid plants were both able to 'breed' with each other. GM plants have had the DNA inserted with things that they could never 'breed' with naturally. |
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I have lost the thread of this argument but im from a farming background. Im not sure how vegans view the countryside if no one ate meat, it would be all ploughed with crops because no way could anyone afford to keep cows for decoration.
Lots of dead cows and sheep and pigs and chicken cos no one could afford them
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"Annoyed I missed this piece yesterday. Just seen it on the Beeb.
Did anyone else listen to it? "
I listened to it and that vegan guy made me laugh, he was so angry with the world
He was a vegan of just 4 years and now expects everyone else should follow his example.
I have met many vegans and as of yet to meet one who did not bang on about it
I can respect them not wanting to eat meat but it always seems to be a one way thing |
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"I have lost the thread of this argument but im from a farming background. Im not sure how vegans view the countryside if no one ate meat, it would be all ploughed with crops because no way could anyone afford to keep cows for decoration.
Lots of dead cows and sheep and pigs and chicken cos no one could afford them
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this is my point exactly!! u should see some of the messages and stuff we get for promoting febudairy....if im honest its a giggle winding them up. they get so angry so quickly |
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"I have lost the thread of this argument but im from a farming background. Im not sure how vegans view the countryside if no one ate meat, it would be all ploughed with crops because no way could anyone afford to keep cows for decoration.
Lots of dead cows and sheep and pigs and chicken cos no one could afford them
this is my point exactly!! u should see some of the messages and stuff we get for promoting febudairy....if im honest its a giggle winding them up. they get so angry so quickly"
The London Underground has lots of vegan ads with pictures of happy cows on them. They could work for Febudairy if you just change the words. |
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haha i wish i was in london but i cant deal with that amount of people in such a rush. im a country girl at heart and thats where i like to be. i havent came across these posters yet, must not be over here |
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"haha i wish i was in london but i cant deal with that amount of people in such a rush. im a country girl at heart and thats where i like to be. i havent came across these posters yet, must not be over here"
I'm not sure Lisburn has the target audience.
My Irish vegan friend's mother still asks her if she can at least have the 'thin ham'.
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I've suddenly found my Facebook full of posts reminding me about how badly treated and abused animals in the meat trade are. If I had the time and patience I'd remind them about the abuse and exploitation that farm workers experience around the world growing, picking, and preparing the foods that vegans wave in our faces and insist are so much more ethical.
*Steps down from soap box* |
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"I saw an article in the paper today about it. The vegan seemed pretty hardcore and very angry taking offence at Jeremy having a cheese and ham sandwich on the desk, though I do wonder if this was somewhat orchestrated to provoke such a reaction.
What I don't really get is if Vegans were to get their way, what would happen to all the animals? as surely if we are not using them for food, milk, leather and wool then the population of these animals would drop massively?
Ginger "
I've always wondered what their answer is to this. Do they allow food animals do die off by losing condition? Or have a massive slaughter and get the protein to those who need it? Or simply maintain the current farm animal pooulation along with it's associated greenhouse problems? |
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"haha i wish i was in london but i cant deal with that amount of people in such a rush. im a country girl at heart and thats where i like to be. i havent came across these posters yet, must not be over here
I'm not sure Lisburn has the target audience.
My Irish vegan friend's mother still asks her if she can at least have the 'thin ham'.
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haha no the vast metropolis of here isnt their target audience. they did how ever try going into a butchers calling us all murders with a picture of a day old lamb being weighed. they ended up standing across the street quietly after having a lambs liver tossed at them haha |
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can i point out that alot of those vegan propoganda videis arent filmed here. our welfare laws are much stricter than those in other countries. id have a fit if id ever seen someone treat my cows or sheep like that.
people claiming we tar vegans with the same brush but is that not exactly what they are doing to me?? and with false info?
i pointed out in a vegan video that was claiming a down cow was getting dragged away to slaughter that this was infact not the case, down cows need moved or lifted or theyre dead cows. apperently this is not right as they spent time on farms and knew this....who am i to argue its only my job..... |
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