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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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This is going to be a mixed view thread
See the link to the item
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5286909/UK-obese-girl-12-taken-mother-dangerous-BMI.html
I would love to hear your thoughts on it. Bearing in mind a lot of young girls are suffering from anorexia in today's society. ....is this taking it to the extreme? Should education of the mother be the first step?
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I was an extremely fat child (I’ve only had my teenage years when I was really thin, almost borderline eating disorder) I had bad knees due to being overweight and my parents had to put me on a diet, I remember the day the chocolate drawer wasn’t refilled!! But I wasn’t as large as some of the young girls I have seen in the past few years.
I do believe that if your child is over a certain weight then professionals should step in (like they did with me) as some parents might not be educated with healthy eating, my parents wasn’t overweight at all when I was growing up, so I don’t know why I was as my sister wasn’t and my brother wasn’t either (they are ten years older than me) so maybe because I was the baby of the family my parents spoiled me a little too much but once explained to them that it was damaging my health they did something about it.
It does work both ways though really underweight or really overweight parents do need some kind of intervention if they can’t do it themselves and if those steps can’t help then bigger measures need putting in place.
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Difficult to say without knowing if there are other factors.
I do know that there is a shocking ignorance around healthy eating (I use the word ignorance in the sense of ignoring information that's readily available) and a sense that "it isn't my fault".
I don't think that the problem of childhood or adult obesity will be solved until food becomes a scarce resource. |
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"I was an extremely fat child (I’ve only had my teenage years when I was really thin, almost borderline eating disorder) I had bad knees due to being overweight and my parents had to put me on a diet, I remember the day the chocolate drawer wasn’t refilled!! But I wasn’t as large as some of the young girls I have seen in the past few years.
I do believe that if your child is over a certain weight then professionals should step in (like they did with me) as some parents might not be educated with healthy eating, my parents wasn’t overweight at all when I was growing up, so I don’t know why I was as my sister wasn’t and my brother wasn’t either (they are ten years older than me) so maybe because I was the baby of the family my parents spoiled me a little too much but once explained to them that it was damaging my health they did something about it.
It does work both ways though really underweight or really overweight parents do need some kind of intervention if they can’t do it themselves and if those steps can’t help then bigger measures need putting in place.
Geeky x"
I agree...but I do think we should exhaust every avenue before taking the child off the mother. 
I know not all will agree though. |
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Frankly in today's over crowded world having children should be a privilege not a right... Humans as a species are very good at making very bad decisions. Children consuming bad diets is generally because of lazy, piss poor parenting.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Difficult to say without knowing if there are other factors.
I do know that there is a shocking ignorance around healthy eating (I use the word ignorance in the sense of ignoring information that's readily available) and a sense that "it isn't my fault".
I don't think that the problem of childhood or adult obesity will be solved until food becomes a scarce resource."
I agree to a certain extent as when we were growing up the whole way of enabling acting seemed a lot healthier.
But times and lifestyles have changed so much....less time to cook decent meals...the easy buy freezer shops and the microwave makes it all too easy to give a quick fix meal....then there is high streets now full of takeaway junk food shops which make it far to easy to give the wrong nutritious meals. |
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Hard to form an opinion from such scant facts. How obese is the child? Are there mental health issues? Is the mother a vulnerable adult? And so on.
The Daily Mail click bait headline is just that.
They removed children recently because the parents were swingers. Children have to be protected and we're quick to blame authorities when children suffer and they were aware, so I'll reserve judgement until all the facts are known. |
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By *ara JTV/TS
over a year ago
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Cases like these are never the black-and-white copy that newspapers like to sell.
I'm sure the professionals would not be intervening unless they had serious concerns about the wellbeing of the child.
I'm sure, too, they must have exhausted other avenues that involving the child and mother staying together.
It is sad when an adult is judged unfit to bring up their own child.
I'll leave it to a judge to decide what is in the child's best interests. None of us could possibly know. |
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i don't believe for a minute that this wasn't a last resort..if a child was being undernourished to the point it affected their health ,people would be completely understanding. i think after all other avenues have been tried, if a child's basic health is threatened by a parents neglect, the social services may feel they have no other option. Its a job i wouldnt wish on anyone...damned if they do etc...
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Growing up, there was usually one 'fat kid' in every class at school.
Nowdays it seems (from what I see at my sons schools) it's more than half the class.
Today's on the go society is creating an obese epidemic.
Children are driven to school by parents, dropped off on way to work, instead of walking, some I know literally only live 2mins from the school.
Fast food is everywhere, in my little village we have 2 major pizza stores, and a dozen takeaways, as a kid it was only the chippy & that was a special treat.
Fizzy drinks, so called energy drinks.
Adults are now eating convinience food at their desks as they work rather than a proper lunch break.
Then coming home to ready meals as too tired to cook a family dinner.
I'm a qualified nutritionist, I've worked with people who say they don't have the time to cook, I've been in local schools & done sessions with younger parents who's own parents never taught them to cook, and the old Home economics taught in my day is no longer part of the curriculum.
The situation is only going to get worse |
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If a child was malnourished due to the parent not feeding them and a risk to their health / dying then everyone would be in agreement
Over feeding is just as neglectful and we have a duty as parents to ensure to the best that we can / afford that our children have a healthy but balanced diet
I’m not one of those parents that doesn’t allow junk food , my kids like all the others love it , but I am a believer that everything in moderation
No excuse to starve a child and no excuse to over feed
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There is one boy at my daughters school, must be a 40" + waist. Where I park up to collect her is a Sandwich shop and also an ice cream van pulls up there everyday. And this boy always has a can of pop, chocolate and crisps before his mother collects him. He's only 13. All kids like their treats but his Mother is parked up along side me usually watching him but these before he gets into their car. Saddens me that this poor lad needs help but his parents aren't willing too help him. I have heard they have had a letter about his weight from the heath and social team at the school  |
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"If a child was malnourished due to the parent not feeding them and a risk to their health / dying then everyone would be in agreement
Over feeding is just as neglectful and we have a duty as parents to ensure to the best that we can / afford that our children have a healthy but balanced diet
I’m not one of those parents that doesn’t allow junk food , my kids like all the others love it , but I am a believer that everything in moderation
No excuse to starve a child and no excuse to over feed
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Good points. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If a child was malnourished due to the parent not feeding them and a risk to their health / dying then everyone would be in agreement
Over feeding is just as neglectful and we have a duty as parents to ensure to the best that we can / afford that our children have a healthy but balanced diet
I’m not one of those parents that doesn’t allow junk food , my kids like all the others love it , but I am a believer that everything in moderation
No excuse to starve a child and no excuse to over feed
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I agree with this |
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Although, on a more general note, whenever I read stories like this I always think of my brother. He was really overweight as a child (to the point that he was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes at age 26). When he started really putting on weight my parents tried everything, but he would sneak food. Then my mom locked the food cabinet to stop him eating everything when our parents weren't there. So he started stealing money from my parents to buy food. My point is that things aren't always obvious from the outside - I'm sure people just looking at him would have blamed my parents. So I don't like making such judgements with so little facts. |
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I haven't read the article but I doubt very much that the newspaper in question have all the facts and have reported them in a balanced way, very few newspapers do.
I would like to think that the social workers in this case have exhausted all options and removing the child is a last resort and has been done with her best interests at heart.
Sadly social services departments throughout the UK are under resourced and failing children repeatedly. So many times we hear of children who are killed by abusive parents and social services have failed to act to protect these children.
We always hear that lessons will be learned to prevent similar tragedies but it never happens.
Like many people I have practically zero confidence in social services. |
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When I lived with the boys dad we only had treats occasionally and fizzy drinks if we went out to eat (very rare), now when I moved I always buy them treats and when they first come down they use to devour the lot (I’m jus talking a bar of chocolate, crisps but not loads) but when it was gone it was gone and my middle son said that’s why he likes coming to us because of those treats but now things have shifted and they still have them but it’s very rare they eat it all and very often it will still be there the next time they come down, so we’ve taught them well I think. They are all slim, not very active though, hate sports with a passion. Even my oldest who is 17 he is one of those ‘I can eat and eat’ but give him more than three slices of pizza and he is giving it away, I think they have a good balance. We very rarely eat processed food when they there with us mainly because I think cooking is a great social event in our house, we normally all are in the kitchen, chatting and helping to make dinner.
I used to see a mum who was like me, maybe larger and all her kids were really large, just buying loads and loads of sweets and I do think she must know she isn’t helping her children but it’s all about education to the parents, it doesn’t make them bad parents in any form but sometimes parents (and any adult) need guidance is some areas.
Although in terms of taking kids off parents, there are children out there that are suffering daily through other forms of neglect and worse, so it’s very difficult to say ‘this child must be taken into care’ when there are kids living chained up to beds (I know it’s American) etc.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Hard to form an opinion from such scant facts. How obese is the child? Are there mental health issues? Is the mother a vulnerable adult? And so on.
The Daily Mail click bait headline is just that.
They removed children recently because the parents were swingers. Children have to be protected and we're quick to blame authorities when children suffer and they were aware, so I'll reserve judgement until all the facts are known. "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Cases like these are never the black-and-white copy that newspapers like to sell.
I'm sure the professionals would not be intervening unless they had serious concerns about the wellbeing of the child.
I'm sure, too, they must have exhausted other avenues that involving the child and mother staying together.
It is sad when an adult is judged unfit to bring up their own child.
I'll leave it to a judge to decide what is in the child's best interests. None of us could possibly know."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"i don't believe for a minute that this wasn't a last resort..if a child was being undernourished to the point it affected their health ,people would be completely understanding. i think after all other avenues have been tried, if a child's basic health is threatened by a parents neglect, the social services may feel they have no other option. Its a job i wouldnt wish on anyone...damned if they do etc...
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Your right too to a certain extent....especially on the undernourished issue that I mentioned in the op...but I mentioned that on personal views I have due to someone close to me suffering anorexia.
Yes it was maybe the wrong op to get across what was on my mind as I'm very mindful atm of how we come across on weight issues. And yes I agree with the posters who have mentioned the link I posted as being too narrative.
Maybe I need a rethink on making a new post when I can get across better what's on my mind  |
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"Frankly in today's over crowded world having children should be a privilege not a right... Humans as a species are very good at making very bad decisions. Children consuming bad diets is generally because of lazy, piss poor parenting.
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Really???
Who chooses who has the right to have kids or not then? A better idea would be to give third world countries more contraception x |
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"Frankly in today's over crowded world having children should be a privilege not a right... Humans as a species are very good at making very bad decisions. Children consuming bad diets is generally because of lazy, piss poor parenting.
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Having children isn't a right nor can it be made a privilege in my opinion. It's a biological imperative (for some).
It would be awfully difficult to prove suitability as a parent before children were conceived and extremely difficult to decide the criteria for good parenting. |
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"Frankly in today's over crowded world having children should be a privilege not a right... Humans as a species are very good at making very bad decisions. Children consuming bad diets is generally because of lazy, piss poor parenting.
Really???
Who chooses who has the right to have kids or not then? A better idea would be to give third world countries more contraception x"
Religion plays a big part in contraception,so i dont think it would be used |
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"Frankly in today's over crowded world having children should be a privilege not a right... Humans as a species are very good at making very bad decisions. Children consuming bad diets is generally because of lazy, piss poor parenting.
It's more access to contraception that is the issue in a lot of third world countries than religious bias.
Really???
Who chooses who has the right to have kids or not then? A better idea would be to give third world countries more contraception x
Religion plays a big part in contraception,so i dont think it would be used"
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"There is one boy at my daughters school, must be a 40" + waist. Where I park up to collect her is a Sandwich shop and also an ice cream van pulls up there everyday. And this boy always has a can of pop, chocolate and crisps before his mother collects him. He's only 13. All kids like their treats but his Mother is parked up along side me usually watching him but these before he gets into their car. Saddens me that this poor lad needs help but his parents aren't willing too help him. I have heard they have had a letter about his weight from the heath and social team at the school "
And that poor child will most likely be bullied in some way. Growing up with mental issues, all the parents fault. I remember being outside a mcdonalds and i seen 2 slim parents walking out with a 6 year old very similar at least 8-9 stone a huge bag of maccies and ice cream. Now theres an example i thought. Poor child |
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"It isn't always lazy, piss poor people (notice I didn't say women) who have obese children. "
no its ease of shutting children up with lack of ability to cook good meals. Also giving sweets to kids to shut them up
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"There is one boy at my daughters school, must be a 40" + waist. Where I park up to collect her is a Sandwich shop and also an ice cream van pulls up there everyday. And this boy always has a can of pop, chocolate and crisps before his mother collects him. He's only 13. All kids like their treats but his Mother is parked up along side me usually watching him but these before he gets into their car. Saddens me that this poor lad needs help but his parents aren't willing too help him. I have heard they have had a letter about his weight from the heath and social team at the school And that poor child will most likely be bullied in some way. Growing up with mental issues, all the parents fault. I remember being outside a mcdonalds and i seen 2 slim parents walking out with a 6 year old very similar at least 8-9 stone a huge bag of maccies and ice cream. Now theres an example i thought. Poor child"
I think we all forget how cruel kids are and the mental scarring that bullying etc can have on someone even when grown up
Society has changed and certainly how we feed our children has changed
For example if I look back at a class photo when I was in primary school in talking late 70’s early 80’s all the kids were slim to average build and maybe only one or two overweight kids
Fast forward to the last 10 years when my children had class photos ... most children are average to overweight with the ‘skinnies’ being a minority
Makes you think doesn’t it ? |
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"There is one boy at my daughters school, must be a 40" + waist. Where I park up to collect her is a Sandwich shop and also an ice cream van pulls up there everyday. And this boy always has a can of pop, chocolate and crisps before his mother collects him. He's only 13. All kids like their treats but his Mother is parked up along side me usually watching him but these before he gets into their car. Saddens me that this poor lad needs help but his parents aren't willing too help him. I have heard they have had a letter about his weight from the heath and social team at the school And that poor child will most likely be bullied in some way. Growing up with mental issues, all the parents fault. I remember being outside a mcdonalds and i seen 2 slim parents walking out with a 6 year old very similar at least 8-9 stone a huge bag of maccies and ice cream. Now theres an example i thought. Poor child
I think we all forget how cruel kids are and the mental scarring that bullying etc can have on someone even when grown up
Society has changed and certainly how we feed our children has changed
For example if I look back at a class photo when I was in primary school in talking late 70’s early 80’s all the kids were slim to average build and maybe only one or two overweight kids
Fast forward to the last 10 years when my children had class photos ... most children are average to overweight with the ‘skinnies’ being a minority
Makes you think doesn’t it ? "
When I was at primary school there was one obese child in the whole school. At secondary school there were none.
High calorie, low nutrient food is readily available at a low cost and we don't need to walk five miles, plough a field or grind the grains to get it.
Our lifestyle has changed radically but the biological urges that drive us to load up on food when its available haven't. |
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"There is one boy at my daughters school, must be a 40" + waist. Where I park up to collect her is a Sandwich shop and also an ice cream van pulls up there everyday. And this boy always has a can of pop, chocolate and crisps before his mother collects him. He's only 13. All kids like their treats but his Mother is parked up along side me usually watching him but these before he gets into their car. Saddens me that this poor lad needs help but his parents aren't willing too help him. I have heard they have had a letter about his weight from the heath and social team at the school And that poor child will most likely be bullied in some way. Growing up with mental issues, all the parents fault. I remember being outside a mcdonalds and i seen 2 slim parents walking out with a 6 year old very similar at least 8-9 stone a huge bag of maccies and ice cream. Now theres an example i thought. Poor child
I think we all forget how cruel kids are and the mental scarring that bullying etc can have on someone even when grown up
Society has changed and certainly how we feed our children has changed
For example if I look back at a class photo when I was in primary school in talking late 70’s early 80’s all the kids were slim to average build and maybe only one or two overweight kids
Fast forward to the last 10 years when my children had class photos ... most children are average to overweight with the ‘skinnies’ being a minority
Makes you think doesn’t it ?
When I was at primary school there was one obese child in the whole school. At secondary school there were none.
High calorie, low nutrient food is readily available at a low cost and we don't need to walk five miles, plough a field or grind the grains to get it.
Our lifestyle has changed radically but the biological urges that drive us to load up on food when its available haven't."
I blame modern technology. Theres so many kids with i phones and ipads. What happened to good old fashioned playing out and getting into trouble |
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"There is one boy at my daughters school, must be a 40" + waist. Where I park up to collect her is a Sandwich shop and also an ice cream van pulls up there everyday. And this boy always has a can of pop, chocolate and crisps before his mother collects him. He's only 13. All kids like their treats but his Mother is parked up along side me usually watching him but these before he gets into their car. Saddens me that this poor lad needs help but his parents aren't willing too help him. I have heard they have had a letter about his weight from the heath and social team at the school And that poor child will most likely be bullied in some way. Growing up with mental issues, all the parents fault. I remember being outside a mcdonalds and i seen 2 slim parents walking out with a 6 year old very similar at least 8-9 stone a huge bag of maccies and ice cream. Now theres an example i thought. Poor child
I think we all forget how cruel kids are and the mental scarring that bullying etc can have on someone even when grown up
Society has changed and certainly how we feed our children has changed
For example if I look back at a class photo when I was in primary school in talking late 70’s early 80’s all the kids were slim to average build and maybe only one or two overweight kids
Fast forward to the last 10 years when my children had class photos ... most children are average to overweight with the ‘skinnies’ being a minority
Makes you think doesn’t it ?
When I was at primary school there was one obese child in the whole school. At secondary school there were none.
High calorie, low nutrient food is readily available at a low cost and we don't need to walk five miles, plough a field or grind the grains to get it.
Our lifestyle has changed radically but the biological urges that drive us to load up on food when its available haven't."
That's what I said further up...well in a roundabout way |
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Without knowing the full story it is hard t say, but I am going to assume this is a last resort on the SS part. If they don't look after children they would be slaughtered so I am guessing /hoping all this is done for the right reasons ie, the parents have been helped and educated but it isn't working.
To the comments about years ago there wasn't as many goodies in the shops to tempt us all, there wasn't no, especially when I was a kid , but as much as there wasn't many obese kids about then I don't think it is all to do with food itself. I came from a large family who all ate the same things for dinner etc, we didn't have many treats ( an odd biscuit now and then ) and none of us had any money to buy anything outside of the house and yet two children were a lot bigger than the others. |
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When I was at primary school there was one obese child in the whole school. At secondary school there were none.
High calorie, low nutrient food is readily available at a low cost and we don't need to walk five miles, plough a field or grind the grains to get it.
Our lifestyle has changed radically but the biological urges that drive us to load up on food when its available haven't.
I blame modern technology. Theres so many kids with i phones and ipads. What happened to good old fashioned playing out and getting into trouble"
I think it's a major contributory factor for sure.
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"Without knowing the full story it is hard t say, but I am going to assume this is a last resort on the SS part. If they don't look after children they would be slaughtered so I am guessing /hoping all this is done for the right reasons ie, the parents have been helped and educated but it isn't working.
To the comments about years ago there wasn't as many goodies in the shops to tempt us all, there wasn't no, especially when I was a kid , but as much as there wasn't many obese kids about then I don't think it is all to do with food itself. I came from a large family who all ate the same things for dinner etc, we didn't have many treats ( an odd biscuit now and then ) and none of us had any money to buy anything outside of the house and yet two children were a lot bigger than the others. "
Yep. My brother has five kids, all raised on the same diet. Two are overweight and three are very slim. |
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"Without knowing the full story it is hard t say, but I am going to assume this is a last resort on the SS part. If they don't look after children they would be slaughtered so I am guessing /hoping all this is done for the right reasons ie, the parents have been helped and educated but it isn't working.
To the comments about years ago there wasn't as many goodies in the shops to tempt us all, there wasn't no, especially when I was a kid , but as much as there wasn't many obese kids about then I don't think it is all to do with food itself. I came from a large family who all ate the same things for dinner etc, we didn't have many treats ( an odd biscuit now and then ) and none of us had any money to buy anything outside of the house and yet two children were a lot bigger than the others. "
Going to throw a curve ball in here .. we are all aware these days how supplements and growth accelerators are put in our animals to make them bigger quicker ready for our table
What if it’s unknown now but in 30 years time it’s discovered that all those growth accelerants are actually ‘fattening’ us up and not just the animals ?
You are what you eat right ?
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"Without knowing the full story it is hard t say, but I am going to assume this is a last resort on the SS part. If they don't look after children they would be slaughtered so I am guessing /hoping all this is done for the right reasons ie, the parents have been helped and educated but it isn't working.
To the comments about years ago there wasn't as many goodies in the shops to tempt us all, there wasn't no, especially when I was a kid , but as much as there wasn't many obese kids about then I don't think it is all to do with food itself. I came from a large family who all ate the same things for dinner etc, we didn't have many treats ( an odd biscuit now and then ) and none of us had any money to buy anything outside of the house and yet two children were a lot bigger than the others.
Yep. My brother has five kids, all raised on the same diet. Two are overweight and three are very slim. "
Same in my family. I was the skinny minny, one sister was overweight, the rest were average.
We rarely had sweets, biscuits or crisps in the house.
My overweight sister has a very overweight child and a very skinny child. |
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Having read the article and seen the lack of detail it is difficult to make an informed decision.
However, up until recently I was probably chronically underweight. As a child I probably would have gone into care apart from the fact that my parents kept a food diary. I am now tipping the scales at 11 1/2 Stone. Altering my diet/exercise regime made no difference.
Education can go part of the way. Blamimg the parents can go part of the way. Medical experts don't know all the answers.
Just a thought though...
Give the child 6 years and she can join here. Men will be falling over themselves to tell the woman that she is beautiful, perfect etc.
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Absolutely spot on, it’s about time parents that allow their children to get obese, unhealthy and out of shape got their kids taken from them.
It’s child abuse plain and simple.
Allowing a child to put on heaps of body fat through a poor diet even if it’s through ignorance is not acceptable. This poses a serious risk to the child in later life from all manner of health issues.
There is no excuse at all for it end of story. |
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People should bring their children up in a way society finds acceptable. If they don't, strangers ought to be able to step in and split families up. Folk MUST live within the rules or be forced to do what the majority want. It's the only fair way to run the world. |
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"People should bring their children up in a way society finds acceptable. If they don't, strangers ought to be able to step in and split families up. Folk MUST live within the rules or be forced to do what the majority want. It's the only fair way to run the world. "
Or is at least healthy for the child. Or are you saying FGM is ok? |
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"Absolutely spot on, it’s about time parents that allow their children to get obese, unhealthy and out of shape got their kids taken from them.
It’s child abuse plain and simple.
Allowing a child to put on heaps of body fat through a poor diet even if it’s through ignorance is not acceptable. This poses a serious risk to the child in later life from all manner of health issues.
There is no excuse at all for it end of story."
I nearly entirely agree. Allowing children to become morbidly obese is at the very best, child neglect. Any other behaviour by the parents which would result in a kid suffering the same amount of harm would not expect to escape sanction. I'm sure 'taking kids off them' is absolutely a last resort, but again, in any other situation I'm sure that people would consider it in the kid's best interest.
Obesity is an epidemic. That means it's actually happening and actually killing people. Comparisons to anorexia (which is comparitively extremely rare) in this situation are ill judged, and the numbers harmed are minute by comparison. |
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"People should bring their children up in a way society finds acceptable. If they don't, strangers ought to be able to step in and split families up. Folk MUST live within the rules or be forced to do what the majority want. It's the only fair way to run the world.
Or is at least healthy for the child. Or are you saying FGM is ok?"
Fat ghastly mingerism?
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"People should bring their children up in a way society finds acceptable. If they don't, strangers ought to be able to step in and split families up. Folk MUST live within the rules or be forced to do what the majority want. It's the only fair way to run the world.
Or is at least healthy for the child. Or are you saying FGM is ok?
Fat ghastly mingerism?
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Female genital mutilation. Another thing that "society" doesn't think is acceptable. |
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"Frankly in today's over crowded world having children should be a privilege not a right... Humans as a species are very good at making very bad decisions. Children consuming bad diets is generally because of lazy, piss poor parenting.
Really???
Who chooses who has the right to have kids or not then? A better idea would be to give third world countries more contraception x
Religion plays a big part in contraception,so i dont think it would be used"
Child births per woman is economically driven more than it is religiously driven. Italy, one of the most Catholic countries in the world, doesn't even manage 2 babies per woman. If poor countries weren't poor then they'd stop having big families. Big families are actually pretty logical in poor countries. |
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"People should bring their children up in a way society finds acceptable. If they don't, strangers ought to be able to step in and split families up. Folk MUST live within the rules or be forced to do what the majority want. It's the only fair way to run the world. "
Is society always right? |
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"People should bring their children up in a way society finds acceptable. If they don't, strangers ought to be able to step in and split families up. Folk MUST live within the rules or be forced to do what the majority want. It's the only fair way to run the world.
Or is at least healthy for the child. Or are you saying FGM is ok?
Fat ghastly mingerism?
Female genital mutilation. Another thing that "society" doesn't think is acceptable. "
That's not what the thread is on about though. |
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"People should bring their children up in a way society finds acceptable. If they don't, strangers ought to be able to step in and split families up. Folk MUST live within the rules or be forced to do what the majority want. It's the only fair way to run the world.
Or is at least healthy for the child. Or are you saying FGM is ok?
Fat ghastly mingerism?
Female genital mutilation. Another thing that "society" doesn't think is acceptable.
That's not what the thread is on about though. "
I love a challenge. |
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"Society would like us all to stop having sex with multiple partners and no drugs or cigarette smoking.
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Society can sod off...I like all those things. |
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"People should bring their children up in a way society finds acceptable. If they don't, strangers ought to be able to step in and split families up. Folk MUST live within the rules or be forced to do what the majority want. It's the only fair way to run the world.
Or is at least healthy for the child. Or are you saying FGM is ok?
Fat ghastly mingerism?
Female genital mutilation. Another thing that "society" doesn't think is acceptable.
That's not what the thread is on about though.
I love a challenge. "
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"Without knowing the full story it is hard t say, but I am going to assume this is a last resort on the SS part. If they don't look after children they would be slaughtered so I am guessing /hoping all this is done for the right reasons ie, the parents have been helped and educated but it isn't working.
To the comments about years ago there wasn't as many goodies in the shops to tempt us all, there wasn't no, especially when I was a kid , but as much as there wasn't many obese kids about then I don't think it is all to do with food itself. I came from a large family who all ate the same things for dinner etc, we didn't have many treats ( an odd biscuit now and then ) and none of us had any money to buy anything outside of the house and yet two children were a lot bigger than the others.
Going to throw a curve ball in here .. we are all aware these days how supplements and growth accelerators are put in our animals to make them bigger quicker ready for our table
What if it’s unknown now but in 30 years time it’s discovered that all those growth accelerants are actually ‘fattening’ us up and not just the animals ?
You are what you eat right ?
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But I eat a lot of meat and at 36 I still have a 30" waist. I'm very active though, gym two or three times a week, long walks/hikes on a weekend and a fair bit of physical activity with the reserves.
When I go back to the village I grew up in I see all the formerly well worn in tracks through the woods where we all used to ride our bikes are overgrown, and there are no rope swings where we used to build them or signs of den building. Kids just don't play out anymore so aren't burning off the calories. I used to ride my bike miles every day to call for my mates! |
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"Frankly in today's over crowded world having children should be a privilege not a right... Humans as a species are very good at making very bad decisions. Children consuming bad diets is generally because of lazy, piss poor parenting.
Really???
Who chooses who has the right to have kids or not then? A better idea would be to give third world countries more contraception x"
So to address your first point:
Who chooses who has the right to have kids or not then?
It would appear that for those that live in third world countries it would be....................You perhaps??? |
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Nothing is ever Black and White ..Neither is it on every occasion due to a single causative factor ..
Apart from wider Socio- Economic factors (not just poor health education) , Genetics and Epi-Genetics play a huge role in the way we biologically function..
I truly believe that this was what felt like the final route for authorities to take - it takes an awful lot to separate a child from it's mother ! |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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There are medical conditions that inhibit the ‘feeling full’ and children then over eat. My friend has a son with autism and she has to keep an eye on what he eats or he would just keep eating snacks.
Without knowing all the facts I wouldn’t want to blame the parent. |
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By *lceeWoman
over a year ago
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This is a rather fascinating thread....the range of views (and the fact that it hasn’t degenerated into a slanging match as a result), is genuinely interesting.
I’m conflicted on this...but what it comes down to is the question, ‘was the child’s health in mortal danger?’ If so, then yes, the authority has a legal duty to put the child into care. To do less would leave them open to a Serious Case Review and suchlike.
I’ve worked in local government where one of my portfolios was child services - I’ve seen first hand how hard they work. I’d like to believe that it was the last resort to take away the child.
However, there is huge disparity between the approaches of different areas. In Leeds, it’s all about restorative work, where they work with and provide education to the whole extended family, not just the parents in order to keep the child within the family circle. This approach has been very successful in producing some fantastic outcomes. Whether a similar approach was used here is impossible to tell from the article.
Whatever the real story behind this, it’s inutterably sad. That’s a kid who has lost their family and very likely feels like it’s their fault for eating too much. That’s heartbreaking, no matter the rights or wrongs of the case. |
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I feel sorry for the child.
I don't feel sorry for the parents. There would have been numerous interventions before they took the child away. Obviously the parents didn't take any notice of the help, advice and support they were offered.
This poor child has now been removed from its family. It will be in a strange place with strange people. I can only imaging how awful that must be 
Now these strangers are going to have to put this child on a strict diet and exercise regime which is going to be awful for that child. Everything about this child's life is changing.
It would be interesting to see how this child turns out in 10 years time? |
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