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its staring to feel that way ..they seem to be discussing trans-gender subjects every time i turn on radio 4 on and always seems to be in the media..must be a great time to be a young transvestite or wannabe TS.
wish it was like that when i was young |
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"The feminists aren’t so sure
why?"
He, in a simple blokey way - "the" feminists? - might be alluding to the fact that some women - not the majority - aren't happy about trans folk being called women. Germaine Greer notoriously had a gripe, which she quickly recanted, admitting that she was uneducated on trans issues.
It hasn't become fashionable, it's just become more open rather quickly. And about time. |
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One of my siblings is trans, or feels like they want to be the opposite sex. However, they did admit they were confused between gender and sexuality initially, thinking they needed to look the opposite sex to be with the same sex.
Trans subjects can be very confusing, especially with all the gender/sexuality identities that are now recognised. Unfortunately, it's still something that is barely recognised or spoken about within schools. Whilst it may be seen/heard within the media, it's mainly adults that will see/hear it due to the media it's in/on. The only way children will be able to have an understanding of how they identify is through web searching and not all children will be able to. There should be more awareness made to teens, so they don't struggle as the grow older and can have an understanding of their identity. |
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It's not 'fashionable', it's finally just becoming a more open subject and people are being able to be who they really are. The more it's discussed, the more normal it is and the quicker society can pull it's head out it's arse and accept people for who they are |
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"It's not 'fashionable', it's finally just becoming a more open subject and people are being able to be who they really are. The more it's discussed, the more normal it is and the quicker society can pull it's head out it's arse and accept people for who they are "
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago
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"There should be more awareness made to teens, so they don't struggle as the grow older and can have an understanding of their identity. "
I work with Derek Hooper (http://www.derekhooper.org.uk/index.html) and we take our TransEqual Module to schools and colleges where they have Trans pupils and don't know how to manage the issues. |
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"There should be more awareness made to teens, so they don't struggle as the grow older and can have an understanding of their identity.
I work with Derek Hooper (http://www.derekhooper.org.uk/index.html) and we take our TransEqual Module to schools and colleges where they have Trans pupils and don't know how to manage the issues."
That's awesome! |
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"The feminists aren’t so sure
What aren't we sure about exactly?
A sub group of "feminists" called TERFS (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/16/what-is-a-terf-and-why-should-you-be-worried/)"
And some very prominent more mainstream transphobic feminists with very large followings, who write regular columns for national broadsheets. |
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"The feminists aren’t so sure
What aren't we sure about exactly?
A sub group of "feminists" called TERFS (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/04/16/what-is-a-terf-and-why-should-you-be-worried/)
And some very prominent more mainstream transphobic feminists with very large followings, who write regular columns for national broadsheets."
thats interesting, which journalists are you talking about? |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago
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"There should be more awareness made to teens, so they don't struggle as the grow older and can have an understanding of their identity.
I work with Derek Hooper (http://www.derekhooper.org.uk/index.html) and we take our TransEqual Module to schools and colleges where they have Trans pupils and don't know how to manage the issues.
That's awesome! "
Thanks, I'd like to think our module is well designed and hits on all the key issues. How to support the Trans-Pupils (incl peer support and bullying), best practice in schools and colleges (toilets, residential field trips), how to manage parents' concerns (parents of trans pupils as well as trans-phobic parents) as main issues.
Watch the resources of Derek's website. Lots of materials there. |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
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"It hasn't become fashionable, it's just become more open rather quickly. And about time."
For me it was the introduction of the Gender Recognition Act (2004) in the UK now subsumed into Equality Act 2010. So before this I could be sacked and attacked for being trans and nobody could do anything about it. Its still not a bed of roses now but at least we exist in the eyes of the law. |
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"There should be more awareness made to teens, so they don't struggle as the grow older and can have an understanding of their identity.
I work with Derek Hooper (http://www.derekhooper.org.uk/index.html) and we take our TransEqual Module to schools and colleges where they have Trans pupils and don't know how to manage the issues.
That's awesome!
Thanks, I'd like to think our module is well designed and hits on all the key issues. How to support the Trans-Pupils (incl peer support and bullying), best practice in schools and colleges (toilets, residential field trips), how to manage parents' concerns (parents of trans pupils as well as trans-phobic parents) as main issues.
Watch the resources of Derek's website. Lots of materials there."
I think it's fucking brilliant that kids are being educated!
Education is the route to acceptance! |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
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"thats interesting, which journalists are you talking about?"
If you read the Pink News article, there are a few examples there. Jenni Murray being one of them. I like the way Radio 4 now has some younger feminists guest host Women's Hour which really does feel a bit old skool. I find younger feminists are much more open and trans-inclusive. |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I think it's fucking brilliant that kids are being educated!
Education is the route to acceptance!"
Unfortunately it is not universal - most schools / colleges still sweep trans issues under the carpet (usually the OFSTED failing ones). The Head Teachers who bring us in are the enlightened - and usually "Outstanding" ones. |
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"The feminists aren’t so sure
why?
He, in a simple blokey way - "the" feminists? - might be alluding to the fact that some women - not the majority - aren't happy about trans folk being called women. Germaine Greer notoriously had a gripe, which she quickly recanted, admitting that she was uneducated on trans issues.
It hasn't become fashionable, it's just become more open rather quickly. And about time."
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"For me it was the introduction of the Gender Recognition Act (2004) in the UK now subsumed into Equality Act 2010. So before this I could be sacked and attacked for being trans and nobody could do anything about it. Its still not a bed of roses now but at least we exist in the eyes of the law."
You can thank the EU for that, as it was a direct response to EU rulings on the subject.
Now brexit is happening the first thing the UK government do? Shack up with a homophobic, anti gay party in Northern Ireland.
Hopefully the freedsoms and acceptance you got thanks to the EU will stay in place after you leave though. |
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It's not so much as fashionable but it's more excepted then it was when I was younger and it could also have had a impact by who you grew up with.
I for example grew up with people who would never have accepted this as "normal"...so all I can say is thank god people and attitudes are changing  |
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No such thing as Homophobia etc, just a made up word to demonise normal thinking people with traditional values..
Its a sign of a civilization in decline when minorities enforce their unproven theories apon the majority...
A lot has to do with Marxismn in our universities and collegues and schools were the younger generation is being indoctrinated and brainwashed..
I am a Tran but find it saddening that the unproven theories apon this subject are being presented as truths and are being enforced via labels, threats, penalties and imprisonment apon the majority of decent folk that follow traditional values.... |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
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"You can thank the EU for that, as it was a direct response to EU rulings on the subject.
Now brexit is happening the first thing the UK government do? Shack up with a homophobic, anti gay party in Northern Ireland.
Hopefully the freedsoms and acceptance you got thanks to the EU will stay in place after you leave though."
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"It's not so much as fashionable but it's more excepted then it was when I was younger and it could also have had a impact by who you grew up with.
I for example grew up with people who would never have accepted this as "normal"...so all I can say is thank god people and attitudes are changing "
The best time to be Trans was the 1970s and early eighties as it was not only a Cult Fashion but also projected by famous pop stars like David Bowie, Queen,Marc Bolan , the glam rock scene and so forth, unisex clothes was the order of the day as was long hair for men... |
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Everyone should live there life the way they want good on the people who do gay transgender lesbian hold your head up high and dont let anyone put you down enjoy life you only live once x |
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I think it's just being fueled by celebrity at present, coming after bathroom rights Trump & military, etc there's been an ongoing succession of celebrity and news items. Plus there is a growing awakening that society isn't as fair and proper as it could be. |
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"There should be more awareness made to teens, so they don't struggle as the grow older and can have an understanding of their identity.
I work with Derek Hooper (http://www.derekhooper.org.uk/index.html) and we take our TransEqual Module to schools and colleges where they have Trans pupils and don't know how to manage the issues."
That's brilliant. At uni I done my dissertation on understanding of transgender, it was the conclusion that there needs to be further education prior to leaving school. I did think someone going to schools and educating the children about it would be better than a "normal" teacher, would need to be someone with a clear understanding so questions can be answered. |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
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"I work with Derek Hooper (http://www.derekhooper.org.uk/index.html) and we take our TransEqual Module to schools and colleges where they have Trans pupils and don't know how to manage the issues.
That's brilliant. At uni I done my dissertation on understanding of transgender, it was the conclusion that there needs to be further education prior to leaving school. I did think someone going to schools and educating the children about it would be better than a "normal" teacher, would need to be someone with a clear understanding so questions can be answered. "
What an interesting subject for a dissertation.
Yes, when Derek approached me to develop the module he said there were only two life-experiences he felt he couldn't speak "on behalf of" / represent: and they are Mental Health and Trans. So he brought me on-board to develop the module.
I feel there had been huge in-roads for Lesbian and Gay awareness over the past 30 years or so. Discussions around Bisexuality and Trans just starting.
Is your dissertation published online? I would love to read it. |
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"No such thing as Homophobia etc, just a made up word to demonise normal thinking people with traditional values..
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What utter nonsense
If you have traditional values you can live by them peacefully and respectfully and no one will stop you or have a problem with you.
Unfortunately some people with 'traditional values' aren't content with that, and want to tell people who are different that they are evil or disgusting. And that is homophobia. |
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"I work with Derek Hooper (http://www.derekhooper.org.uk/index.html) and we take our TransEqual Module to schools and colleges where they have Trans pupils and don't know how to manage the issues.
That's brilliant. At uni I done my dissertation on understanding of transgender, it was the conclusion that there needs to be further education prior to leaving school. I did think someone going to schools and educating the children about it would be better than a "normal" teacher, would need to be someone with a clear understanding so questions can be answered.
What an interesting subject for a dissertation.
Yes, when Derek approached me to develop the module he said there were only two life-experiences he felt he couldn't speak "on behalf of" / represent: and they are Mental Health and Trans. So he brought me on-board to develop the module.
I feel there had been huge in-roads for Lesbian and Gay awareness over the past 30 years or so. Discussions around Bisexuality and Trans just starting.
Is your dissertation published online? I would love to read it."
No, unfortunately it's not published online, the uni I went to stopped online access to previous dissertations a few years ago. During my course I became interested in knowing more about trans and sexuality, I only knew the basics initially and as a mature student I thought I'd see if those younger (but at university) had a better understanding than I initially had and held focus groups. Some of them did, but they disclosed themselves as part of the LGBT community. I was interested in their understandings and where they believed prejudice and discrimination would occur and what could be done to help with those who identified as trans, which is where it concluded that it needs to be taught within schools, to allow people to have the understanding before they reached adulthood. This would be at a local/national scale and then with the hope to increase it globally, but with other countries failing to even accept gay/lesbian, I believe it's a long way off for the acceptance of all identities.
During my research, I was surprised at the lack of medical schools that teach/educate around trans; there's a few of those articles online and then admitted they didn't know how they would react if they had to treat a trans person. |
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It's a shame that different sexes can't just keep themselves to themselves.
Everywhere we turn we get bashed with TV, gays etc.. and it's very much shoved in our faces on the telly.
Straights are probably the only ones that don't hold str8 marches etc..
Can't people just not get on with their lives instead of making a song and dance of their sexuality?
Or do they suffer from vanity issues? |
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"There should be more awareness made to teens, so they don't struggle as the grow older and can have an understanding of their identity.
I work with Derek Hooper (http://www.derekhooper.org.uk/index.html) and we take our TransEqual Module to schools and colleges where they have Trans pupils and don't know how to manage the issues.
That's brilliant. At uni I done my dissertation on understanding of transgender, it was the conclusion that there needs to be further education prior to leaving school. I did think someone going to schools and educating the children about it would be better than a "normal" teacher, would need to be someone with a clear understanding so questions can be answered.
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Why should children be indoctrinated with unproven theories, particularly that of an Adult nature, surely the children should be kept free of such things untill they are adults and with adult maturity decide for themselves... |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
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"Why should children be indoctrinated with unproven theories, particularly that of an Adult nature, surely the children should be kept free of such things untill they are adults and with adult maturity decide for themselves..."
Trans children are attempting suicides.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/27/half-of-trans-pupils-in-the-uk-tried-to-take-their-own-lives-survey-finds |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Can't people just not get on with their lives instead of making a song and dance of their sexuality?"
As this is discussing Transgender issues it is "sexual identity", not "sexuality". There is a difference.
We do - except that we get attacked and killed while trying to just get on with our lives.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/11/20/this-is-how-many-transgender-people-have-been-killed-in-2017/ |
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"It's a shame that different sexes can't just keep themselves to themselves.
Everywhere we turn we get bashed with TV, gays etc.. and it's very much shoved in our faces on the telly.
Straights are probably the only ones that don't hold str8 marches etc..
Can't people just not get on with their lives instead of making a song and dance of their sexuality?
Or do they suffer from vanity issues?"
Doesn't sound like you have any idea why the marches happen or what makes them so important!
It's got nowt to do with vanity! It's to dry and overcome prejudice and speak out for equal rights and acceptance.
Without those marches I wouldn't be able to be an openly bisexual woman without fear of reprocusion.
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"It's a shame that different sexes can't just keep themselves to themselves.
Everywhere we turn we get bashed with TV, gays etc.. and it's very much shoved in our faces on the telly.
Straights are probably the only ones that don't hold str8 marches etc..
Can't people just not get on with their lives instead of making a song and dance of their sexuality?
Or do they suffer from vanity issues?"
Straight people don't March because they aren't treated differently due to their sexuality. |
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"It's a shame that different sexes can't just keep themselves to themselves.
Everywhere we turn we get bashed with TV, gays etc.. and it's very much shoved in our faces on the telly.
Straights are probably the only ones that don't hold str8 marches etc..
Can't people just not get on with their lives instead of making a song and dance of their sexuality?
Or do they suffer from vanity issues?
Straight people don't March because they aren't treated differently due to their sexuality."
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
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"admitted they didn't know how they would react if they had to treat a trans person. "
I am very lucky I have a thoroughly supportive GP whose line is: you've probably done your research on this issue, so lets work through your care pathway together. We have an equal collaborative approach.
I am also active with my (formerly) Health Link now Healthwatch and a PPG (Patients Participation Group) member. We discuss everything from cervical smears, mammogram, prostrate and testicular cancer to HRT - all trans and non-trans relevant. |
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"There should be more awareness made to teens, so they don't struggle as the grow older and can have an understanding of their identity.
I work with Derek Hooper (http://www.derekhooper.org.uk/index.html) and we take our TransEqual Module to schools and colleges where they have Trans pupils and don't know how to manage the issues.
That's brilliant. At uni I done my dissertation on understanding of transgender, it was the conclusion that there needs to be further education prior to leaving school. I did think someone going to schools and educating the children about it would be better than a "normal" teacher, would need to be someone with a clear understanding so questions can be answered.
Why should children be indoctrinated with unproven theories, particularly that of an Adult nature, surely the children should be kept free of such things untill they are adults and with adult maturity decide for themselves..."
When you read the hundreds of studies available the vast majority of them recognised they were "different" from a young age (many in primary school), but they didn't understand why as the knowledge wasn't available to them. So many suffered years of depression, identity issues, mental health problems etc until they understood themselves who they were and how they identified.
When reading through the studies with teacher involved, some have admitted they recognised a child was different, but didn't know what to do and didn't want to say anything to parents trough fear of making the situation worse.
From birth children are subjected to the "norm" of sex, gender and sexuality, that's not seen as an "adult nature", so I don't see why transgender or other sexualities are. Educating children will have massive benefits to those who are struggling with their identity, it will give them a sense of belonging and an understanding of who they are and hopefully the information of who they can contact. |
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By *uzie69xTV/TS
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"Educating children will have massive benefits to those who are struggling with their identity, it will give them a sense of belonging and an understanding of who they are and hopefully the information of who they can contact."
Throughout almost all worldwide cultures and throughout history - LGBT people appear consistently. So it is quite a "normal" phenomenon - albeit a minority one. |
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"The feminists aren’t so sure
What aren't we sure about exactly?"
That was possibly referring to 'terfs'. A very vocal minority among feminists, who seem to be anti just about everything. |
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"There should be more awareness made to teens, so they don't struggle as the grow older and can have an understanding of their identity.
I work with Derek Hooper (http://www.derekhooper.org.uk/index.html) and we take our TransEqual Module to schools and colleges where they have Trans pupils and don't know how to manage the issues.
That's brilliant. At uni I done my dissertation on understanding of transgender, it was the conclusion that there needs to be further education prior to leaving school. I did think someone going to schools and educating the children about it would be better than a "normal" teacher, would need to be someone with a clear understanding so questions can be answered.
Why should children be indoctrinated with unproven theories, particularly that of an Adult nature, surely the children should be kept free of such things untill they are adults and with adult maturity decide for themselves..."
Which children are being indoctrinated? Long before any treatment would ever be offered there would be counselling and discussions between the child and a specialist. I know from first hand experience how thorough the specialists are in their questioning.
I would say it is as good as impossible for anyone to progress through that system unless their feelings were genuine, especially for a child being coerced or pressurised in any way.
For a child to adopt a style of dress or mannerisms that are currently fashionable is another issue altogether.That has probably been the case with every generation and is probably harmless as they will tend to grow out of it.That is very unlikely to be parent led as children almost instinctively do the exact opposite of whatever their parents say.Again, if it is led by peer pressure, it is highly unlikely to progress. |
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"The feminists aren’t so sure
why?
He, in a simple blokey way - "the" feminists? - might be alluding to the fact that some women - not the majority - aren't happy about trans folk being called women. Germaine Greer notoriously had a gripe, which she quickly recanted, admitting that she was uneducated on trans issues.
It hasn't become fashionable, it's just become more open rather quickly. And about time."
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"No such thing as Homophobia etc, just a made up word to demonise normal thinking people with traditional values."
I'll remind myself of that next time I'm in church, and I hear someone quoting: "If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death." (Lev 20:13)
Or when someone tells me that my being attracted to men means that I am 'intrinsically disordered' and am engaging in acts of 'grave depravity'...
Or when people protest against bisexuals and gays being allowed to volunteer with the Boy Scouts, because bi/gay men only join youth groups so that they can gain access to young boys who they can target for grooming...
Or when 'concerned parents' tell us how wonderful Section 28 was: because of course, gay couples should be forbidden from legally celebrating their love for one another, and are entirely unsuitable for raising children...
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"I am a Tran but find it saddening that the unproven theories upon this subject are being presented as truths and are being enforced via labels, threats, penalties and imprisonment apon the majority of decent folk that follow traditional values...
Why should children be indoctrinated with unproven theories, particularly that of an Adult nature, surely the children should be kept free of such things untill they are adults and with adult maturity decide for themselves...
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Complete HOGWASH of the highest order.
First and foremost, the idea that Trans issues are something that children are insufficiently 'mature' to deal with...
From the age of FOUR, we encourage children to explore their identity at school through areas such as Religious Education, PSE and Citizenship.
Likewise, youth organisations such as the Scouts encourage children as young as FIVE to interact with people from a diverse range of backgrounds, cultures and identities.
If children are capable of exploring their religious, ethnic, national, and cultural identities, why should they not also be considered capable of developing an understanding of their gender identity?
As to your second point:
Far from 'indoctrinating' children with 'unproven theories,' you may be interested to know that the vast majority of children who exhibit 'gender atypical' behaviour - and even most of those children diagnosed with gender dysphoria - do NOT identify as Trans when they reach adulthood.
Consequently, providing education about Trans issues and encouraging them to treat their Trans peers as equals is NOT some kind of Marxist conspiracy aimed at 'brainwashing' our children. |
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"I am a Tran but find it saddening that the unproven theories upon this subject are being presented as truths and are being enforced via labels, threats, penalties and imprisonment apon the majority of decent folk that follow traditional values...
Why should children be indoctrinated with unproven theories, particularly that of an Adult nature, surely the children should be kept free of such things untill they are adults and with adult maturity decide for themselves...
Complete HOGWASH of the highest order.
First and foremost, the idea that Trans issues are something that children are insufficiently 'mature' to deal with...
From the age of FOUR, we encourage children to explore their identity at school through areas such as Religious Education, PSE and Citizenship.
Likewise, youth organisations such as the Scouts encourage children as young as FIVE to interact with people from a diverse range of backgrounds, cultures and identities.
If children are capable of exploring their religious, ethnic, national, and cultural identities, why should they not also be considered capable of developing an understanding of their gender identity?
As to your second point:
Far from 'indoctrinating' children with 'unproven theories,' you may be interested to know that the vast majority of children who exhibit 'gender atypical' behaviour - and even most of those children diagnosed with gender dysphoria - do NOT identify as Trans when they reach adulthood.
Consequently, providing education about Trans issues and encouraging them to treat their Trans peers as equals is NOT some kind of Marxist conspiracy aimed at 'brainwashing' our children."
Children really couldn't give a shit. And are unlikely to, til they are in their early teens, when they finally develop a brain (!). Then its up to whats around them. Which, unfortunately, is us.
(This is not to go against the person I quoted.. just my point of view, to hopefully add to the above. Plus, I've had a few bevvies. And its late.) |
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"It's a shame that different sexes can't just keep themselves to themselves.
Everywhere we turn we get bashed with TV, gays etc.. and it's very much shoved in our faces on the telly.
Straights are probably the only ones that don't hold str8 marches etc..
Can't people just not get on with their lives instead of making a song and dance of their sexuality?"
Oh yes, of course, the old attitude of 'I don't mind LGBT people, I just don't want to be REMINDED of the fact that they exist'...
As someone already said, straight people don't NEED to hold marches, because heterosexuality is considered the 'default' sexual orientation.
The reason why Gay, Bi and Trans people continue to hold marches and 'get in your face' is because in spite of the introduction of equality legislation, discrimination has NOT gone away... |
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"Children really couldn't give a shit. And are unlikely to, til they are in their early teens, when they finally develop a brain (!). Then its up to whats around them. Which, unfortunately, is us"
Crude, but effective.
That was really my point: children - generally speaking - do not see 'differences' in race, gender, religion etc in a negative light.
It is only when they hear their parents or community leaders making derogatory remarks about their 'different' peers that they begin to engage in bullying.
Hence why it is important to educate children about Trans issues. Not, as some seem to perceive it, as 'indoctrination,' but to fulfill our basic DUTY OF CARE. |
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