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By *ikeC81 OP Man
over a year ago
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I have just had someone put a meeting in my diary for a meeting that starts 30 mins after hours (I finish at 5pm) finish and finishes 1 hour after I am suppose to finish
Now don’t get me wrong if the call had been at 5pm when I finish I probably would have said ok, but to hang around 1 hr I don’t think is correct
I therefore rejected the meeting, just saying can’t make it. What would others have done, I feel guilty but I think I am within rights to say no |
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By *ikeC81 OP Man
over a year ago
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For those that have mentioned about be flexible- I am often on call during holidays and have replied to emails
Just this time I have felt that a late call without even apologising is a bit Ott
There was not even are you free to stay late |
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By *otForSoftiesWoman
over a year ago
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I work internationally so I have flexibility around other countries working times (and take time back!) but if this was a UK company with U.K. only attendees then I’d decline too, no excuse for not setting it in standard working hours. |
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"For those that have mentioned about be flexible- I am often on call during holidays and have replied to emails
Just this time I have felt that a late call without even apologising is a bit Ott
There was not even are you free to stay late "
I doubt your company would accept you turning up an hour late without an apology. I don't think you've done anything wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I work internationally so I have flexibility around other countries working times (and take time back!) but if this was a UK company with U.K. only attendees then I’d decline too, no excuse for not setting it in standard working hours. "
Wish I could take the time back! I'm 7 days a week sometimes due to other countries working hours/days.
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By *otForSoftiesWoman
over a year ago
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"I work internationally so I have flexibility around other countries working times (and take time back!) but if this was a UK company with U.K. only attendees then I’d decline too, no excuse for not setting it in standard working hours.
Wish I could take the time back! I'm 7 days a week sometimes due to other countries working hours/days.
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I personally don’t find that acceptable in this day and age. It’s not right and it’s not healthy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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In my last job, I worked 0800-1630
I also took an 'on call' phone home with me 5 days a week and 2 weekends out of 3
That rang at all hours of the night
End result was my free time was 1 weekend a month, everything else revolved round work
My colleagues got paid extra for doing 'on call', I didn't
Reason given 'you earn more than them, it's in your salary'
I quit
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It depends on the curcumstances, but i would have thought you should have been asked about the time and whether it would be an issue with you, and then they/your secretary should have confirmed to the other parties whether the meeting was a go.
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By *icearmsMan
over a year ago
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Depends on your job etc and how important the call is...
I would generally take it unless I genuinely had somewhere else to be. In this day and age.getring people to align diaries.etc can be hard so you.take the best option.
The other option is leave early as you'll be off the tube of time to take the call... send emails etc from the tube if you have a work phone of course... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I work internationally so I have flexibility around other countries working times (and take time back!) but if this was a UK company with U.K. only attendees then I’d decline too, no excuse for not setting it in standard working hours.
Wish I could take the time back! I'm 7 days a week sometimes due to other countries working hours/days.
I personally don’t find that acceptable in this day and age. It’s not right and it’s not healthy. "
I wholeheartedly agree!
Still, needs must sometimes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Work is work for a reason. Too many unpaid hours in this 'stretched' economy. I was in a salaried role that often required me to work upwards of 70 hours a week on a decent salary based on a 35 hour working week. Everyone in my department was the same. We all had to stay late and get ahead of ourselves before going on holiday. The department was understaffed massively. Each individual probably had the equivalent of anywhere between 60-80 or so weeks worth of 35 hour weeks to complete in a calender year and only 52 weeks to do it in, less holidays. When someone was off sick the whole thing balanced on a knife edge as there was no slack.
If a job takes 70 hours to do and you only pay 35 employ 2 people. I was permanently on call and earning a huge amount less per hour, cumulatively, than the staff I managed.
We've been sold a lie. This idea that its just how it is nonsense. I was an employee not a slave. I am entitled to have my time away from work. I think the Germans have it spot on in that a company cannot contact employees outside their working hours.
I quit the role I was in moved to a role with less responsibility and now switch my phone off when my work day is done. It didn't go noticed and it shouldn't have to. It was expected and neccesary.
Now I live my life spending time with my kids who were hugely neglected back then. We hang out and enjoy ourselves. I work to live I don't live to work. You did the right thing. Too many brown nosers use tactics like late meetings and emails at all hours of the evening and weekends to show that they are going over and above. Good luck to them. There's more to life. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I agree with what you’ve done, however just check what your contract says about work being able to reasonably change your work hours.
They are sneaky and will try and get that in, that said you should be compensated for it and not exceed your contracted hours.
I.e. overtime pay or time off in lieu. |
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I think you were right to decline. I am assuming your working hours / time in the office is public knowledge so there is no excuse for arranging something for after that time bar an emergency.
I had a similar invite to a 'breakfast meeting' with the company that has taken over my contract last month in order for them to bring me up to speed on their plans, I declined saying that I didnt think it was acceptable to expect me to start my commute two hours earlier in order to make an 8am meeting in a central London office. If they want to talk to me they can do it during normal working hours and arrange things accordingly. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I have just had someone put a meeting in my diary for a meeting that starts 30 mins after hours (I finish at 5pm) finish and finishes 1 hour after I am suppose to finish
Now don’t get me wrong if the call had been at 5pm when I finish I probably would have said ok, but to hang around 1 hr I don’t think is correct
I therefore rejected the meeting, just saying can’t make it. What would others have done, I feel guilty but I think I am within rights to say no"
I had a manager who persistently did that to me, I ended up blocking out my Outlook calendar as "busy" from 5pm until 7pm every weekday. Either it put a stop to it or I missed a lot of meetings  |
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By *ikeC81 OP Man
over a year ago
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I feel less bad about this now - I have said no, but I have now agreed to leave work significantly early to compensate for travel to pick call up at home (so for example leave at 4pm rather than 5pm get home by 5pm ready for for 5.30 call
My boss (not the person organising call) - was fine with this halfway house. Also that I can leave a bit early on Friday. It shows that I am flexible but I am not happy with having to stay in office late.
I normally not flexible when I leave the office - as it’s a pain to travel an hour later in London.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am one of those workers that get asked to go in on their day off just to put a poster up!! I should say no but when you work with such an incompetent fool needs must lol.
Geeky x |
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By *otForSoftiesWoman
over a year ago
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"I am one of those workers that get asked to go in on their day off just to put a poster up!! I should say no but when you work with such an incompetent fool needs must lol.
Geeky x"
And they will stay incompetent and not learn for as long as you bail them out you enabler you  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am one of those workers that get asked to go in on their day off just to put a poster up!! I should say no but when you work with such an incompetent fool needs must lol.
Geeky x
And they will stay incompetent and not learn for as long as you bail them out you enabler you "
I know you are right but I’m one of these people that don’t want my department to fail. I should just relax a bit more and say fuck it and not sit up to 3am sorting stuff out lol. X |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am one of those workers that get asked to go in on their day off just to put a poster up!! I should say no but when you work with such an incompetent fool needs must lol.
Geeky x
And they will stay incompetent and not learn for as long as you bail them out you enabler you
I know you are right but I’m one of these people that don’t want my department to fail. I should just relax a bit more and say fuck it and not sit up to 3am sorting stuff out lol. X"
You shouldn’t, you should find a new job. They are taking the piss out of you and always will now because they know they can.
It will never change and they will be shocked when it stops. Then complain nothings getting done and put you on performance management.
They don’t see you as a good employee, just someone to pass the things they can’t/won’t do.
No offence meant just reading between the lines they are walking all over you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No I wouldn't do it either.
Work takes up so much of our time already- when it starts to take up our free time too we have to start saying no.
I guess it depends on the company you work for and how appreciated you feel and whether you're rewarded for putting more time in. |
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"I am one of those workers that get asked to go in on their day off just to put a poster up!! I should say no but when you work with such an incompetent fool needs must lol.
Geeky x
And they will stay incompetent and not learn for as long as you bail them out you enabler you
I know you are right but I’m one of these people that don’t want my department to fail. I should just relax a bit more and say fuck it and not sit up to 3am sorting stuff out lol. X
You shouldn’t, you should find a new job. They are taking the piss out of you and always will now because they know they can.
It will never change and they will be shocked when it stops. Then complain nothings getting done and put you on performance management.
They don’t see you as a good employee, just someone to pass the things they can’t/won’t do.
No offence meant just reading between the lines they are walking all over you."
At the same time, the efforts might be noticed and appreciated and she'll be the one who gets promoted. I always go the extra mile and have benefited from it long term. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am one of those workers that get asked to go in on their day off just to put a poster up!! I should say no but when you work with such an incompetent fool needs must lol.
Geeky x
And they will stay incompetent and not learn for as long as you bail them out you enabler you
I know you are right but I’m one of these people that don’t want my department to fail. I should just relax a bit more and say fuck it and not sit up to 3am sorting stuff out lol. X
You shouldn’t, you should find a new job. They are taking the piss out of you and always will now because they know they can.
It will never change and they will be shocked when it stops. Then complain nothings getting done and put you on performance management.
They don’t see you as a good employee, just someone to pass the things they can’t/won’t do.
No offence meant just reading between the lines they are walking all over you.
At the same time, the efforts might be noticed and appreciated and she'll be the one who gets promoted. I always go the extra mile and have benefited from it long term."
There’s going above and beyond (acceptable) and doing too much, I mean come on let’s be fair going to work on your day off to put up a poster???? Really. That’s taking advantage of somebody’s good will and nature.
I would never expect a staff member to do something like that, in fact if they did I would have a word with them and explain the free time from work is just that they shouldn’t be in work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am one of those workers that get asked to go in on their day off just to put a poster up!! I should say no but when you work with such an incompetent fool needs must lol.
Geeky x
And they will stay incompetent and not learn for as long as you bail them out you enabler you
I know you are right but I’m one of these people that don’t want my department to fail. I should just relax a bit more and say fuck it and not sit up to 3am sorting stuff out lol. X
You shouldn’t, you should find a new job. They are taking the piss out of you and always will now because they know they can.
It will never change and they will be shocked when it stops. Then complain nothings getting done and put you on performance management.
They don’t see you as a good employee, just someone to pass the things they can’t/won’t do.
No offence meant just reading between the lines they are walking all over you.
At the same time, the efforts might be noticed and appreciated and she'll be the one who gets promoted. I always go the extra mile and have benefited from it long term.
There’s going above and beyond (acceptable) and doing too much, I mean come on let’s be fair going to work on your day off to put up a poster???? Really. That’s taking advantage of somebody’s good will and nature.
I would never expect a staff member to do something like that, in fact if they did I would have a word with them and explain the free time from work is just that they shouldn’t be in work."
Thanks, I guess because we have an inpection looming and if certain things aren’t right we will get marked down for it and as my colleague just thinks it like a playground to come in, do the bare minimum and bitch to her friends how unfair everyone is, one of us in the ‘team’ has to step up. She can’t use a computer so I have to plan stuff at home if I haven’t had time at work or I have to pop in on my weekend off to make sure things are up and ready for Monday because if I didn’t do it and the inspectors come in we would fail in our department and I’m not willing to do that but at the same time I just wish she could do more, management know how utterly useless she is and are trying to retrain her way of working. Get her some lessons on the computer etc.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am one of those workers that get asked to go in on their day off just to put a poster up!! I should say no but when you work with such an incompetent fool needs must lol.
Geeky x
And they will stay incompetent and not learn for as long as you bail them out you enabler you
I know you are right but I’m one of these people that don’t want my department to fail. I should just relax a bit more and say fuck it and not sit up to 3am sorting stuff out lol. X
You shouldn’t, you should find a new job. They are taking the piss out of you and always will now because they know they can.
It will never change and they will be shocked when it stops. Then complain nothings getting done and put you on performance management.
They don’t see you as a good employee, just someone to pass the things they can’t/won’t do.
No offence meant just reading between the lines they are walking all over you.
At the same time, the efforts might be noticed and appreciated and she'll be the one who gets promoted. I always go the extra mile and have benefited from it long term.
There’s going above and beyond (acceptable) and doing too much, I mean come on let’s be fair going to work on your day off to put up a poster???? Really. That’s taking advantage of somebody’s good will and nature.
I would never expect a staff member to do something like that, in fact if they did I would have a word with them and explain the free time from work is just that they shouldn’t be in work.
Thanks, I guess because we have an inpection looming and if certain things aren’t right we will get marked down for it and as my colleague just thinks it like a playground to come in, do the bare minimum and bitch to her friends how unfair everyone is, one of us in the ‘team’ has to step up. She can’t use a computer so I have to plan stuff at home if I haven’t had time at work or I have to pop in on my weekend off to make sure things are up and ready for Monday because if I didn’t do it and the inspectors come in we would fail in our department and I’m not willing to do that but at the same time I just wish she could do more, management know how utterly useless she is and are trying to retrain her way of working. Get her some lessons on the computer etc.
X"
I fully get, and appreciate what you’re saying. However if she can’t do her job the management team should deal with it, not by expecting others to do more that’s unfair.
They should re-train her or let her go.
It’s not fair on you to be working in your own time because she can’t/won’t do her job.
On a positive note I hope for your sanity and well being the situation improves. |
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"I have just had someone put a meeting in my diary for a meeting that starts 30 mins after hours (I finish at 5pm) finish and finishes 1 hour after I am suppose to finish
Now don’t get me wrong if the call had been at 5pm when I finish I probably would have said ok, but to hang around 1 hr I don’t think is correct
I therefore rejected the meeting, just saying can’t make it. What would others have done, I feel guilty but I think I am within rights to say no"
Depends - are you a 9-5er? If so reject.
I dont have the luxury of rejecting them unfortunatley as its usually something important that will probably effect me in someway shape or form, but its fine as im not a 9-5er so I can take time if possible at other times to compensate. Some weeks are busy and some are ticking over pace.
Just remember its all about the work life balance, if you feel you do too much as it is, sack it off. If you know you should probably do a bit more, accept!
If I sent the invite out at that time, there would be a pretty good reason for it and would be dissapointed if I had people not attend! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I am one of those workers that get asked to go in on their day off just to put a poster up!! I should say no but when you work with such an incompetent fool needs must lol.
Geeky x
And they will stay incompetent and not learn for as long as you bail them out you enabler you
I know you are right but I’m one of these people that don’t want my department to fail. I should just relax a bit more and say fuck it and not sit up to 3am sorting stuff out lol. X
You shouldn’t, you should find a new job. They are taking the piss out of you and always will now because they know they can.
It will never change and they will be shocked when it stops. Then complain nothings getting done and put you on performance management.
They don’t see you as a good employee, just someone to pass the things they can’t/won’t do.
No offence meant just reading between the lines they are walking all over you.
At the same time, the efforts might be noticed and appreciated and she'll be the one who gets promoted. I always go the extra mile and have benefited from it long term.
There’s going above and beyond (acceptable) and doing too much, I mean come on let’s be fair going to work on your day off to put up a poster???? Really. That’s taking advantage of somebody’s good will and nature.
I would never expect a staff member to do something like that, in fact if they did I would have a word with them and explain the free time from work is just that they shouldn’t be in work.
Thanks, I guess because we have an inpection looming and if certain things aren’t right we will get marked down for it and as my colleague just thinks it like a playground to come in, do the bare minimum and bitch to her friends how unfair everyone is, one of us in the ‘team’ has to step up. She can’t use a computer so I have to plan stuff at home if I haven’t had time at work or I have to pop in on my weekend off to make sure things are up and ready for Monday because if I didn’t do it and the inspectors come in we would fail in our department and I’m not willing to do that but at the same time I just wish she could do more, management know how utterly useless she is and are trying to retrain her way of working. Get her some lessons on the computer etc.
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I fully get, and appreciate what you’re saying. However if she can’t do her job the management team should deal with it, not by expecting others to do more that’s unfair.
They should re-train her or let her go.
It’s not fair on you to be working in your own time because she can’t/won’t do her job.
On a positive note I hope for your sanity and well being the situation improves."
Hopefully it will if management do what they keep telling me they are going to do x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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In your circumstances I would probably have done the same, or suggested an alternative time.
I work very flexible hours through choice and running my own business so if it was important I would have done it. However I have boundaries that prevent work encroaching too often on what I choose as personal time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It depends. For me if it's my immediate line manager or team from around Europe they should know what time you clock off and are just being inconsiderate however if it's a client or someone higher up in the organisation I'd probably have done it. Bitched about it but done it nonetheless |
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