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Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv. |
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv."
I often wonder if an awful lot of people have lost their enjoyment of the game because of the amount of homophobic language that is often thrown around by supporters. |
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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"Not at all. Most ppl i know lost the love due to the soppy bastards playing the game and also the way money has ruined the game"
Seriously mate, reconsider your language use. It's not really ok. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv."
Did you really just use that word?
As an adult man?
Wow! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not at all. Most ppl i know lost the love due to the soppy bastards playing the game and also the way money has ruined the game"
How exactly has money ruined the game?
Is it because we now have better stadiums?
Better facilities? What about less violence? More diversity in the stands? Better players from all over the world?
As for diving it’s alway been there, don’t think it’s a recent thing (no doubt introduced by those overpaid poncy foreigners)
And just to be clear, I turned down a pro contract so I do have a bit of knowledge of the game |
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv.
I often wonder if an awful lot of people have lost their enjoyment of the game because of the amount of homophobic language that is often thrown around by supporters."
No. Thats got nothing to do with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv.
I often wonder if an awful lot of people have lost their enjoyment of the game because of the amount of homophobic language that is often thrown around by supporters."
Which supporters? I travel home and away, uk and Europe watching my team and never hear anything homophobic |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
My brother, who likes the football (and many other sports) seems to think you have to consider football a non-contact sport essentially, now. Once you get your head around that, you might be able to enjoy it more.
It's one of those games I tried to like, but never did. |
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv.
I often wonder if an awful lot of people have lost their enjoyment of the game because of the amount of homophobic language that is often thrown around by supporters.
Which supporters? I travel home and away, uk and Europe watching my team and never hear anything homophobic"
if you’ve not noticed it in this thread I wonder if you’d notice it in a ground. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The "modern" game at the upper echelons is farcical. The referee takes verbal abuse and simulation is rife. Many of the so called fans act like a baying mob thirsting for blood and act like they have persistent road rage!
I still play Sunday league, and whilst I love playing, these disgusting characteristics creap in even at grass roots.
Unfortunately I don't think it'll ever change  |
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I never quite get when snide yet violent cheating is lauded (see Keane, chopper Harris, v Jones ) yet diving is hated so. It’s the same throughout the pyramid and beyond. If you want to be the hard man, get in a ring. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv.
I often wonder if an awful lot of people have lost their enjoyment of the game because of the amount of homophobic language that is often thrown around by supporters.
Which supporters? I travel home and away, uk and Europe watching my team and never hear anything homophobicif you’ve not noticed it in this thread I wonder if you’d notice it in a ground. "
By someone who states they don’t go the game. Or didn’t you notice that? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Op's language aside.....
This sort of behavior is creeping into rugby, and looks even worse when it's a 20 stone guy play acting.
Onset of professionalism I presume....."
Doubt it, it's to do with standards in refereeing - RL was always professional but doesn't have that problem. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The game has evolved, it's faster, more technical and the physique of the pros has changed to compliment the changes.
I wouldn't say it's become much less physical in the EPL, there is just a lot more tactics that involve getting a decision or an advantage. Yeah, it can be annoying at times but I'll put up with it to see the technical skills that come with it.
Saying that, although I'm a football fan, I'd much rather watch an Ice Hockey match. If you think old school football was physical, watch some of the 70's and 80's ice hockey, where enforcers entertained the masses. |
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv."
now rugby theirs a mans game cauliflower ears and broken noses  |
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv.
I often wonder if an awful lot of people have lost their enjoyment of the game because of the amount of homophobic language that is often thrown around by supporters.
Which supporters? I travel home and away, uk and Europe watching my team and never hear anything homophobicif you’ve not noticed it in this thread I wonder if you’d notice it in a ground.
By someone who states they don’t go the game. Or didn’t you notice that?"
is that for me ? If so, I’m lost ... |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"The game has evolved, it's faster, more technical and the physique of the pros has changed to compliment the changes.
I wouldn't say it's become much less physical in the EPL, there is just a lot more tactics that involve getting a decision or an advantage. Yeah, it can be annoying at times but I'll put up with it to see the technical skills that come with it.
Saying that, although I'm a football fan, I'd much rather watch an Ice Hockey match. If you think old school football was physical, watch some of the 70's and 80's ice hockey, where enforcers entertained the masses."
It's an endurance sport, no?
That's why the players are built like long-distance runners. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv."
If you hardly ever watch the game then how can you comment on how the players suposedly behave ? |
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"Not at all. Most ppl i know lost the love due to the soppy bastards playing the game and also the way money has ruined the game
How exactly has money ruined the game?
Is it because we now have better stadiums?
Better facilities? What about less violence? More diversity in the stands? Better players from all over the world?
As for diving it’s alway been there, don’t think it’s a recent thing (no doubt introduced by those overpaid poncy foreigners)
And just to be clear, I turned down a pro contract so I do have a bit of knowledge of the game"
Much of the wave of ground improvements post Taylor report was government funded via various grnats and subsidies - one of the rare occasions when an industry was rewarded for killing its customers. |
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"Wait...someone just mentioned Australian rugby. That is some weird shit
I have no words.
Someone help me.you're thinking of Aussie rules probably "
shh. It’s not often honey is quiet. She talks through blow jobs. |
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By *K430Man
over a year ago
Tipperary |
Moving away from description of players , their behaviour is a joke and embarrassing, particularly as role models to kids , agree to a degree about rugby being a real sport , but the daddy of them all is hurling , skill and bravery , for anyone who doesn't know what it is, google it , you tube it and you will understand |
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Please google The Pansy Project.
“London based artist Paul Harfleet plants pansies at the site of homophobic abuse; he finds the nearest source of soil to where the incident occurred and generally without civic permission plants one unmarked pansy. The flower is then photographed in it's location and posted on this website, the image is entitled after the abuse. Titles like "Let's kill the Bati-Man!" and "Fucking Faggot!" reveal a frequent reality of gay experience, which often goes unreported to authorities and by the media. This simple action operates as a gesture of quiet resistance” |
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By *evaquitCouple
over a year ago
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"Bring back the days when football was homophobic !"
You may jest but only a few weeks back we were at a match and at half time women were walking around the side of the pitch and not a single person shouted ‘get yet tits out for the lads’, we both we're waiting in horror for it to happen, nothing! It’s been a very, very long time since we attended a match. |
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"Bring back the days when football was homophobic !
You may jest but only a few weeks back we were at a match and at half time women were walking around the side of the pitch and not a single person shouted ‘get yet tits out for the lads’, we both we're waiting in horror for it to happen, nothing! It’s been a very, very long time since we attended a match. "
what's the world coming to eh |
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"Wait...someone just mentioned Australian rugby. That is some weird shit
I have no words.
Someone help me.you're thinking of Aussie rules probably shh. It’s not often honey is quiet. She talks through blow jobs. "
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"Moving away from description of players , their behaviour is a joke and embarrassing, particularly as role models to kids , agree to a degree about rugby being a real sport , but the daddy of them all is hurling , skill and bravery , for anyone who doesn't know what it is, google it , you tube it and you will understand "
Only been to one game but it took 5 seconds to find this on google
"Dublin defender James McCarthy has warned some players are deliberately trying to get their opponents black-carded by feigning injury."
From your comment I assumed nothing would come up about cheating in your daddy of honest real sports ?
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"Bring back the days when football was homophobic !
You may jest but only a few weeks back we were at a match and at half time women were walking around the side of the pitch and not a single person shouted ‘get yet tits out for the lads’, we both we're waiting in horror for it to happen, nothing! It’s been a very, very long time since we attended a match. "
This happens here but it's not offensive.
It's usually a female who will comment on a rugby thread about players thighs. Does rugby need to move on aswell? |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
And there's me thinking union was a proper working mans game, you live and learn"
You've been trolled.
Most of the stuff about class and sport is hugely overblown. Union is played across the class range; so is league. Soccer is played by all classes too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bring back the days when football was homophobic !
You may jest but only a few weeks back we were at a match and at half time women were walking around the side of the pitch and not a single person shouted ‘get yet tits out for the lads’, we both we're waiting in horror for it to happen, nothing! It’s been a very, very long time since we attended a match.
This happens here but it's not offensive.
It's usually a female who will comment on a rugby thread about players thighs. Does rugby need to move on aswell?"
but don't you as a guy find domestic football quite boring now I'm a londoner but let's face it how many londoners play for Chelsea or Tottenham etc its a bunch of over paid foreigners falling over every two seconds trying to get a penalty |
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"Bring back the days when football was homophobic !
You may jest but only a few weeks back we were at a match and at half time women were walking around the side of the pitch and not a single person shouted ‘get yet tits out for the lads’, we both we're waiting in horror for it to happen, nothing! It’s been a very, very long time since we attended a match.
This happens here but it's not offensive.
It's usually a female who will comment on a rugby thread about players thighs. Does rugby need to move on aswell?but don't you as a guy find domestic football quite boring now I'm a londoner but let's face it how many londoners play for Chelsea or Tottenham etc its a bunch of over paid foreigners falling over every two seconds trying to get a penalty "
Yes I can't watch too much of it. But that's the same as other sports I love, rugby, cricket, hockey, darts.
I can't stand cheating or deceiving wether its one of my teams players or the opposition however, I don't see what your question has to do with the sexism that fans show towards sport.
I'd love to change football and make it even better and the points you raise would be ones I'd work on. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
And there's me thinking union was a proper working mans game, you live and learnYou've been trolled.
Most of the stuff about class and sport is hugely overblown. Union is played across the class range; so is league. Soccer is played by all classes too."
Oh but it's not. Private schools rarely have football teams. If you read the names of the 20 premiership teams, outside London it's like a map of the working class areas of the UK. Just because a few posh people occasionally fancy a bit of rough and watch a football match, it doesn't change the overwhelmingly trend. |
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"Support rugby instead, a real mans game 
Didn't that guy bite on a blood capsule to feign injury ? Very manly  "
Google John Hopoate aswell. Think that was his name, he had an interesting technique when tackling |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches. "
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers! |
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"Bring back the days when football was homophobic !
You mean it’s not homophobic now? nooooo they still all jump in the bath together "
You’ll be claiming they’re not racist either next |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers! "
Not every countries fans 'can' be a bit 'Johnerrs' and 'rah rah' the other home nations ain't.
Sadly I do love cricket and thats even frigging worse. |
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"Bring back the days when football was homophobic !
You may jest but only a few weeks back we were at a match and at half time women were walking around the side of the pitch and not a single person shouted ‘get yet tits out for the lads’, we both we're waiting in horror for it to happen, nothing! It’s been a very, very long time since we attended a match.
This happens here but it's not offensive.
It's usually a female who will comment on a rugby thread about players thighs. Does rugby need to move on aswell?but don't you as a guy find domestic football quite boring now I'm a londoner but let's face it how many londoners play for Chelsea or Tottenham etc its a bunch of over paid foreigners falling over every two seconds trying to get a penalty
Yes I can't watch too much of it. But that's the same as other sports I love, rugby, cricket, hockey, darts.
I can't stand cheating or deceiving wether its one of my teams players or the opposition however, I don't see what your question has to do with the sexism that fans show towards sport.
I'd love to change football and make it even better and the points you raise would be ones I'd work on."
the original thread theme was pansies in football and I have to agree its not so much that the players are actually pansies and please take note of the lady who likes to plant pansies near the sites of homophobic abuse ,pansies aren't just for Xmas ,the players concerned with dropping to the floor are professional cheats ,I rarely see this in rugby |
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By *atsun xxxMan
over a year ago
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv."
Pmsl so you would rather see people’s careers cut short by a leg breaking challenge and then pat the fellow on the back who did it  |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
And there's me thinking union was a proper working mans game, you live and learnYou've been trolled.
Most of the stuff about class and sport is hugely overblown. Union is played across the class range; so is league. Soccer is played by all classes too.
Oh but it's not. Private schools rarely have football teams. If you read the names of the 20 premiership teams, outside London it's like a map of the working class areas of the UK. Just because a few posh people occasionally fancy a bit of rough and watch a football match, it doesn't change the overwhelmingly trend. "
they have eton mess though |
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"Bring back the days when football was homophobic !
You may jest but only a few weeks back we were at a match and at half time women were walking around the side of the pitch and not a single person shouted ‘get yet tits out for the lads’, we both we're waiting in horror for it to happen, nothing! It’s been a very, very long time since we attended a match.
This happens here but it's not offensive.
It's usually a female who will comment on a rugby thread about players thighs. Does rugby need to move on aswell?but don't you as a guy find domestic football quite boring now I'm a londoner but let's face it how many londoners play for Chelsea or Tottenham etc its a bunch of over paid foreigners falling over every two seconds trying to get a penalty
Yes I can't watch too much of it. But that's the same as other sports I love, rugby, cricket, hockey, darts.
I can't stand cheating or deceiving wether its one of my teams players or the opposition however, I don't see what your question has to do with the sexism that fans show towards sport.
I'd love to change football and make it even better and the points you raise would be ones I'd work on.the original thread theme was pansies in football and I have to agree its not so much that the players are actually pansies and please take note of the lady who likes to plant pansies near the sites of homophobic abuse ,pansies aren't just for Xmas ,the players concerned with dropping to the floor are professional cheats ,I rarely see this in rugby "
I never see cheating in rugby where they stop the game to zoom in from all different angles to catch the culprit - the technology is there so why not use it.
Players get banned after the final whistle based on video evidence 'citing'. You don't gain anything in rugby by falling on the floor, that's the idea in the first place.
I see cheating in rugby every game just as I do in football.
Back to the original post though - football has never accepted it's players diving but only now have they started doing something about it |
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"Private schools rarely have football teams
Ok, so what you basing this on?
Can you back it up?
I think you've guessed wrongly."
If you went to one then you'd know. In our county i only knew of one private school that had a football team and they were a specialist sports school. Boys play rugby, hockey and cricket at the vast majority of private schools. |
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv.
Pmsl so you would rather see people’s careers cut short by a leg breaking challenge and then pat the fellow on the back who did it "
You realise there is a middle ground between leg breaking challenges and barely being touched? You know, like a "hard but fair" challenge? Having played at a fairly high level when younger and been the victim of a "leg breaker" which ruined my footballing career that sort of shit is cowardly.
Cleaning a guy out with a "ball and all", hard, fair tackle is gradually being eradicated from the game which is a crying shame. Football is a physical contact sport and it should remain that way otherwise it will lose it's appeal for millions of fans.
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers! "
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game  |
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"Private schools rarely have football teams
Ok, so what you basing this on?
Can you back it up?
I think you've guessed wrongly.
If you went to one then you'd know. In our county i only knew of one private school that had a football team and they were a specialist sports school. Boys play rugby, hockey and cricket at the vast majority of private schools."
I didn't but I used to play against them.
My sports teams still do and 25 years on I still see their football pitches.
You've commented on the past not the present. Went, knew and had. Not 'go, know and have'.
As with other sports ex pros of various sports do end up as tutors and thats with all the sports they cover. They wouldn't be allowed to leave a sport out, girls football is just one example it might not of been one of their main sports when you went but it was in existence, it certainly is now I see it and know two friends who children are private and they play football along with other sports at and for the school/s.
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game "
I was gobsmacked when I attended my only game of rugby 15 years ago. I had rival fans stood either side of me, drinking beer, chearing their team on getting on fine. They were complete strangers.
It was refreshing to say the least. That's a vast difference to the potential change at the Principality stadium (millennium stadium) where the Wru are thinking of making part of the stadium 'alcohol free' because the behaviour of fans are forcing families away.
That's not every rugby fan causing that and neither does every football fan want to smash the shit out of every rival fan either.
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"Please google The Pansy Project.
“London based artist Paul Harfleet plants pansies at the site of homophobic abuse; he finds the nearest source of soil to where the incident occurred and generally without civic permission plants one unmarked pansy. The flower is then photographed in it's location and posted on this website, the image is entitled after the abuse. Titles like "Let's kill the Bati-Man!" and "Fucking Faggot!" reveal a frequent reality of gay experience, which often goes unreported to authorities and by the media. This simple action operates as a gesture of quiet resistance”"
That's great to hear of again - I remember him from a few years back. I was in Soho with a female friend when the bomb went off - there are people who still hate gay people, despite it being less acceptable. Once you have faced such hatred, you'd never forget. I remember the blood, despair and tears distinctly - it's haunting what hatred people stoke up, just because of differences. |
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"Private schools rarely have football teams
Ok, so what you basing this on?
Can you back it up?
I think you've guessed wrongly.
If you went to one then you'd know. In our county i only knew of one private school that had a football team and they were a specialist sports school. Boys play rugby, hockey and cricket at the vast majority of private schools.
I didn't but I used to play against them.
My sports teams still do and 25 years on I still see their football pitches.
You've commented on the past not the present. Went, knew and had. Not 'go, know and have'.
As with other sports ex pros of various sports do end up as tutors and thats with all the sports they cover. They wouldn't be allowed to leave a sport out, girls football is just one example it might not of been one of their main sports when you went but it was in existence, it certainly is now I see it and know two friends who children are private and they play football along with other sports at and for the school/s.
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The reason i listed three sports is because one is played each term. Are you suggesting most private schools have dropped one of those in favour of football? If so, which one? |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
I was gobsmacked when I attended my only game of rugby 15 years ago. I had rival fans stood either side of me, drinking beer, chearing their team on getting on fine. They were complete strangers.
It was refreshing to say the least. That's a vast difference to the potential change at the Principality stadium (millennium stadium) where the Wru are thinking of making part of the stadium 'alcohol free' because the behaviour of fans are forcing families away.
That's not every rugby fan causing that and neither does every football fan want to smash the shit out of every rival fan either.
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Then we have the constant disrespect shown to the referee, the fact that football fans think there's something clever about making loud noises when the opposition takes a penalty whilst rugby fans show respectful silence whilst the opposition take a kick. Rugby fans will even clap for the opposition if they score a try with good rugby. In simple terms, rugby fans go to watch rugby. Football fans support a team and the match on the pitch is just a by-product of that. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
And there's me thinking union was a proper working mans game, you live and learnYou've been trolled.
Most of the stuff about class and sport is hugely overblown. Union is played across the class range; so is league. Soccer is played by all classes too.
Oh but it's not. Private schools rarely have football teams. If you read the names of the 20 premiership teams, outside London it's like a map of the working class areas of the UK. Just because a few posh people occasionally fancy a bit of rough and watch a football match, it doesn't change the overwhelmingly trend. "
That's an astonishingly shallow definition of class. For the record the rules of soccer were based on the rules drawn up at that well know working class institution Cambridge University, and the early years of the FA cup were dominated by Wanderers, a side based on public school players.
Soccer went nationwide for the same reason as rugby league; promoters were willing to pay players and profit from the game. With the introduction of the profit motive came hype, and soccer became a de facto national game of England, but the class issue is hugely over stressed. (incidentally, rugby union in Wales prospered because club committees acted like soccer promoters and were willing to pay players boot money, or to reward players in other ways - with jobs or sinecures.) |
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There's some sweeping generalisations going on here.
I'm a football fan and 95% of people don't fall into the stereotypes portrayed. I think football is generally more passionately supported, and that is generally a good thing.
Football could improve vastly from aspects of rugby, in particular, respect to referee, video decisions, crackdown on faking etc |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
And there's me thinking union was a proper working mans game, you live and learnYou've been trolled.
Most of the stuff about class and sport is hugely overblown. Union is played across the class range; so is league. Soccer is played by all classes too.
Oh but it's not. Private schools rarely have football teams. If you read the names of the 20 premiership teams, outside London it's like a map of the working class areas of the UK. Just because a few posh people occasionally fancy a bit of rough and watch a football match, it doesn't change the overwhelmingly trend. That's an astonishingly shallow definition of class. For the record the rules of soccer were based on the rules drawn up at that well know working class institution Cambridge University, and the early years of the FA cup were dominated by Wanderers, a side based on public school players.
Soccer went nationwide for the same reason as rugby league; promoters were willing to pay players and profit from the game. With the introduction of the profit motive came hype, and soccer became a de facto national game of England, but the class issue is hugely over stressed. (incidentally, rugby union in Wales prospered because club committees acted like soccer promoters and were willing to pay players boot money, or to reward players in other ways - with jobs or sinecures.)"
Would you agree newcastle is a working class city? |
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Well I happen to disagree
Stadiums are way better,better class of players though Supermac is a Geordie Legend,to me Foot ball is and always will be a great game
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I'm a football fan and 95% of people don't fall into the stereotypes portrayed. I think football is generally more passionately supported, and that is generally a good thing.
Football could improve vastly from aspects of rugby, in particular, respect to referee, video decisions, crackdown on faking etc"
The teams are more passionately supported, but what's good for one team isn't necessarily good for the game. |
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"There's some sweeping generalisations going on here.
I'm a football fan and 95% of people don't fall into the stereotypes portrayed. I think football is generally more passionately supported, and that is generally a good thing.
Football could improve vastly from aspects of rugby, in particular, respect to referee, video decisions, crackdown on faking etc
The teams are more passionately supported, but what's good for one team isn't necessarily good for the game."
The passion is one of the most important aspects. I don't want it clinicalising.
I do think it can learn from aspects of rugby though. |
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"Private schools rarely have football teams
Ok, so what you basing this on?
Can you back it up?
I think you've guessed wrongly.
If you went to one then you'd know. In our county i only knew of one private school that had a football team and they were a specialist sports school. Boys play rugby, hockey and cricket at the vast majority of private schools.
I didn't but I used to play against them.
My sports teams still do and 25 years on I still see their football pitches.
You've commented on the past not the present. Went, knew and had. Not 'go, know and have'.
As with other sports ex pros of various sports do end up as tutors and thats with all the sports they cover. They wouldn't be allowed to leave a sport out, girls football is just one example it might not of been one of their main sports when you went but it was in existence, it certainly is now I see it and know two friends who children are private and they play football along with other sports at and for the school/s.
The reason i listed three sports is because one is played each term. Are you suggesting most private schools have dropped one of those in favour of football? If so, which one? "
No I haven't suggested that anywhere. They play all those 3 winter sports during the same term. That's private and public education. Same with Universities aswell.
The rugby, hockey, football and other sports may all be being played at the same time.
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"There's some sweeping generalisations going on here.
I'm a football fan and 95% of people don't fall into the stereotypes portrayed. I think football is generally more passionately supported, and that is generally a good thing.
Football could improve vastly from aspects of rugby, in particular, respect to referee, video decisions, crackdown on faking etc
The teams are more passionately supported, but what's good for one team isn't necessarily good for the game.
The passion is one of the most important aspects. I don't want it clinicalising.
I do think it can learn from aspects of rugby though."
I don't think you can have one without the other. If you only really care about team A winning then that drives certain mentality that team B is the enemy. In rugby, most people would rather watch a game where their team lost 30-32 than won 70-0 because it's more interesting. Try finding a football fan who would object to winning 7-0! |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
I was gobsmacked when I attended my only game of rugby 15 years ago. I had rival fans stood either side of me, drinking beer, chearing their team on getting on fine. They were complete strangers.
It was refreshing to say the least. That's a vast difference to the potential change at the Principality stadium (millennium stadium) where the Wru are thinking of making part of the stadium 'alcohol free' because the behaviour of fans are forcing families away.
That's not every rugby fan causing that and neither does every football fan want to smash the shit out of every rival fan either.
Then we have the constant disrespect shown to the referee, the fact that football fans think there's something clever about making loud noises when the opposition takes a penalty whilst rugby fans show respectful silence whilst the opposition take a kick. Rugby fans will even clap for the opposition if they score a try with good rugby. In simple terms, rugby fans go to watch rugby. Football fans support a team and the match on the pitch is just a by-product of that. "
What do you think people go to watch football for? Why pay £50 as an away fan to watch what exactly? |
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv.
I often wonder if an awful lot of people have lost their enjoyment of the game because of the amount of homophobic language that is often thrown around by supporters."
Homophobic language - not heard for years at a ground. |
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By *ikeC81Man
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
I was gobsmacked when I attended my only game of rugby 15 years ago. I had rival fans stood either side of me, drinking beer, chearing their team on getting on fine. They were complete strangers.
It was refreshing to say the least. That's a vast difference to the potential change at the Principality stadium (millennium stadium) where the Wru are thinking of making part of the stadium 'alcohol free' because the behaviour of fans are forcing families away.
That's not every rugby fan causing that and neither does every football fan want to smash the shit out of every rival fan either.
Then we have the constant disrespect shown to the referee, the fact that football fans think there's something clever about making loud noises when the opposition takes a penalty whilst rugby fans show respectful silence whilst the opposition take a kick. Rugby fans will even clap for the opposition if they score a try with good rugby. In simple terms, rugby fans go to watch rugby. Football fans support a team and the match on the pitch is just a by-product of that.
What do you think people go to watch football for? Why pay £50 as an away fan to watch what exactly?"
30’quid for away fan in the prem |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game "
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium. |
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The passion is one of the most important aspects. I don't want it clinicalising.
I do think it can learn from aspects of rugby though.
I don't think you can have one without the other. If you only really care about team A winning then that drives certain mentality that team B is the enemy. In rugby, most people would rather watch a game where their team lost 30-32 than won 70-0 because it's more interesting. Try finding a football fan who would object to winning 7-0! "
You can, because 99% of people don't consider the other team to be the enemy, or hold any actual animosity against them. I go regularly and what you are describing doesn't generally exist now. |
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By *ikeC81Man
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium."
I was in Leicester end yesterday next to mate who was Leicester and a few of his mates who know I am united - we had been on shots and beers all afternoon. I didn’t cause any trouble, even when we conceded a last min equaliser tho was fuming when leaving stadium |
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I'd rather be out in Cardiff after the football team has played rather than our rugby team. I'd rather not be out in Cardiff at all at 2am after a match.
I've seen trouble at football (haven't for ages now though, rugby (nowhere near as bad as what football was), cricket and ice hockey.
99% of those fans are genuine supporters but with football being the most popular the number of trouble makers are higher.
It's the same with religion, 99% of religious people are not at all like the 1% who have attached themselves to it and are there for the violence and terror. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
I was in Leicester end yesterday next to mate who was Leicester and a few of his mates who know I am united - we had been on shots and beers all afternoon. I didn’t cause any trouble, even when we conceded a last min equaliser tho was fuming when leaving stadium "
That was one of the few excellent games I watched yesterday |
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Football - A gentleman's game played by thugs.
Rugby - A thug's game played by gentlemen.
People like what they like. The amount of money involved at the top flight is obscene though.
I'm not a football fan as you can guess.
If you are obsessed with a particular group of individuals, follow them everywhere, turn up to every event and spend a fortune to dress like them...
If it is football, you are a dedicated fan. If it is Star Wars, you are a geek. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium."
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
I was in Leicester end yesterday next to mate who was Leicester and a few of his mates who know I am united - we had been on shots and beers all afternoon. I didn’t cause any trouble, even when we conceded a last min equaliser tho was fuming when leaving stadium "
We felt like we had won yesterday, i did feel sorry for your team and their fans. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch."
That's the law yes. Do you mean all football fans in general just can't be trusted in those ways? |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch."
I know that fans are generally segregated and alchol isnt allowed pitchside however i know that not all fans behave badly and that those rules are in place for the minority. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch.
That's the law yes. Do you mean all football fans in general just can't be trusted in those ways?"
No i meant it was the opinion of rule makers at a point in time that football fans can't be trusted in those ways so they made rules than mean football fans aren't trusted. I think it's tragic and those rules need to be reversed. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch.
I know that fans are generally segregated and alchol isnt allowed pitchside however i know that not all fans behave badly and that those rules are in place for the minority."
So why not just ban the minority instead of inconviencing everyone? |
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Then we have the constant disrespect shown to the referee, the fact that football fans think there's something clever about making loud noises when the opposition takes a penalty whilst rugby fans show respectful silence whilst the opposition take a kick. Rugby fans will even clap for the opposition if they score a try with good rugby. In simple terms, rugby fans go to watch rugby. Football fans support a team and the match on the pitch is just a by-product of that. "
So basically Rugby fans couldn't give a shit about their team because they're more than happy to lose a match as long as the other team scores some good tries? 
If Union fans want to have a jolly good time shaking their rattles while discussing the FTSE with opposition fans then you can gladly keep it thanks. Give me terrace banter and passionate singing every day of the week. As for the "respectful silence" nonsense... Psychology is part and parcel of sport and it's up to the player to deal with it. You use it to your advantage as long as you stay within the rules.
I'll give you the respecting referees but tho so not all of your post was drivel. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch.
I know that fans are generally segregated and alchol isnt allowed pitchside however i know that not all fans behave badly and that those rules are in place for the minority.
So why not just ban the minority instead of inconviencing everyone?"
They do and have. Take France last year when Russia fans did as they wanted. They didn't take into account most of England's trouble makers had to hand their passports in.
You cause trouble at football now and you'll be rudely awaken 4 am a few weeks later by the police.
Banning orders have worked along with fan pressure. New stadiums and a change in culture. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch.
I know that fans are generally segregated and alchol isnt allowed pitchside however i know that not all fans behave badly and that those rules are in place for the minority.
So why not just ban the minority instead of inconviencing everyone?
They do and have. Take France last year when Russia fans did as they wanted. They didn't take into account most of England's trouble makers had to hand their passports in.
You cause trouble at football now and you'll be rudely awaken 4 am a few weeks later by the police.
Banning orders have worked along with fan pressure. New stadiums and a change in culture."
Good so when are they going to all free seating and alcohol consumption during the game? |
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Then we have the constant disrespect shown to the referee, the fact that football fans think there's something clever about making loud noises when the opposition takes a penalty whilst rugby fans show respectful silence whilst the opposition take a kick. Rugby fans will even clap for the opposition if they score a try with good rugby. In simple terms, rugby fans go to watch rugby. Football fans support a team and the match on the pitch is just a by-product of that.
So basically Rugby fans couldn't give a shit about their team because they're more than happy to lose a match as long as the other team scores some good tries?
If Union fans want to have a jolly good time shaking their rattles while discussing the FTSE with opposition fans then you can gladly keep it thanks. Give me terrace banter and passionate singing every day of the week. As for the "respectful silence" nonsense... Psychology is part and parcel of sport and it's up to the player to deal with it. You use it to your advantage as long as you stay within the rules.
I'll give you the respecting referees but tho so not all of your post was drivel. "
Basically rugby can sell out twickenham with a game between two sides that aren't really "teams" (i.e. the army v the navy). The FTSE offers some under valued buying opportunities at this time so you miss out at your own peril. |
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"they have eton mess though "
The upper class version of soggy biscuit?
The reason money has ruined football, is that it rewards success, so players will forget sportsmanship and push the boundaries, such as diving, if it will increase the chances of winning. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch.
I know that fans are generally segregated and alchol isnt allowed pitchside however i know that not all fans behave badly and that those rules are in place for the minority.
So why not just ban the minority instead of inconviencing everyone?
They do and have. Take France last year when Russia fans did as they wanted. They didn't take into account most of England's trouble makers had to hand their passports in.
You cause trouble at football now and you'll be rudely awaken 4 am a few weeks later by the police.
Banning orders have worked along with fan pressure. New stadiums and a change in culture.
Good so when are they going to all free seating and alcohol consumption during the game?"
I don't make the rules so I can't tell you but I think Celtic have recently made part of their stadium safe standing. That was the Polices fault more than fans that that law got changed so that sad event never happened again.
I'm quite happy not to be sat next to someone drinking booze. Not bothered if they do either providing they can let me enjoy the game. |
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I don’t want drinking back in grounds. Not because I think there will be violence. Just because d*unk people tend to be twats and unfunny.
And whenever I watch rugby it pisses me off no end the amount of times I have to stand up to let someone out for their next pint.
And I fear rugby may be following in footballs footsteps anyway. Didn’t Wales NZ have some unsavoury moments ?
Ps it’s the season of good will. Can’t we just agree all sport is good. And lay into darts for not being a real sport ?  |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch.
I know that fans are generally segregated and alchol isnt allowed pitchside however i know that not all fans behave badly and that those rules are in place for the minority.
So why not just ban the minority instead of inconviencing everyone?
They do and have. Take France last year when Russia fans did as they wanted. They didn't take into account most of England's trouble makers had to hand their passports in.
You cause trouble at football now and you'll be rudely awaken 4 am a few weeks later by the police.
Banning orders have worked along with fan pressure. New stadiums and a change in culture.
Good so when are they going to all free seating and alcohol consumption during the game?"
I miss understood your question, sorry.
I don't think they ever will and hope they don't. The atmosphere won't be as good. It would kill football quicker than the money that has ruined it, or so we are told.
Football is different than before but it's never been as good. It's never been able to attract this much money, these many games, this much world wide exposure. These many fans.
Football isn't ruined, it's different but still has huge strides to make. |
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"That's why I watch Biathlon in winter. So much more exciting and thrilling.
At least no one tries to dive in Biathlon.
Why isn't it the number one sport in the world then?"
It doesn't make it less exciting. |
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"That's why I watch Biathlon in winter. So much more exciting and thrilling.
At least no one tries to dive in Biathlon.
Why isn't it the number one sport in the world then?
It doesn't make it less exciting."
But if it's that much more exciting most people would jump ship and they'd all be watching that instead/aswell.
People want value for money. They want to win and be entertained while doing so. |
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"That's why I watch Biathlon in winter. So much more exciting and thrilling.
At least no one tries to dive in Biathlon.just dope "
I suspect in many sports...just not caught.
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"I don’t want drinking back in grounds. Not because I think there will be violence. Just because d*unk people tend to be twats and unfunny.
And whenever I watch rugby it pisses me off no end the amount of times I have to stand up to let someone out for their next pint.
And I fear rugby may be following in footballs footsteps anyway. Didn’t Wales NZ have some unsavoury moments ?
Ps it’s the season of good will. Can’t we just agree all sport is good. And lay into darts for not being a real sport ? "
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch.
I know that fans are generally segregated and alchol isnt allowed pitchside however i know that not all fans behave badly and that those rules are in place for the minority.
So why not just ban the minority instead of inconviencing everyone?
They do and have. Take France last year when Russia fans did as they wanted. They didn't take into account most of England's trouble makers had to hand their passports in.
You cause trouble at football now and you'll be rudely awaken 4 am a few weeks later by the police.
Banning orders have worked along with fan pressure. New stadiums and a change in culture.
Good so when are they going to all free seating and alcohol consumption during the game?
I miss understood your question, sorry.
I don't think they ever will and hope they don't. The atmosphere won't be as good. It would kill football quicker than the money that has ruined it, or so we are told.
Football is different than before but it's never been as good. It's never been able to attract this much money, these many games, this much world wide exposure. These many fans.
Football isn't ruined, it's different but still has huge strides to make."
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"I don’t want drinking back in grounds. Not because I think there will be violence. Just because d*unk people tend to be twats and unfunny.
And whenever I watch rugby it pisses me off no end the amount of times I have to stand up to let someone out for their next pint.
And I fear rugby may be following in footballs footsteps anyway. Didn’t Wales NZ have some unsavoury moments ?
Ps it’s the season of good will. Can’t we just agree all sport is good. And lay into darts for not being a real sport ?
I'll agree with you on darts if you've got my back when it comes to competitive walking not being a sport: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/706824"
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"I don’t want drinking back in grounds. Not because I think there will be violence. Just because d*unk people tend to be twats and unfunny.
And whenever I watch rugby it pisses me off no end the amount of times I have to stand up to let someone out for their next pint.
And I fear rugby may be following in footballs footsteps anyway. Didn’t Wales NZ have some unsavoury moments ?
Ps it’s the season of good will. Can’t we just agree all sport is good. And lay into darts for not being a real sport ?
I'll agree with you on darts if you've got my back when it comes to competitive walking not being a sport: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/lounge/706824maybe if they combined the two, they’d have a sport...."
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch.
I know that fans are generally segregated and alchol isnt allowed pitchside however i know that not all fans behave badly and that those rules are in place for the minority.
So why not just ban the minority instead of inconviencing everyone?
They do and have. Take France last year when Russia fans did as they wanted. They didn't take into account most of England's trouble makers had to hand their passports in.
You cause trouble at football now and you'll be rudely awaken 4 am a few weeks later by the police.
Banning orders have worked along with fan pressure. New stadiums and a change in culture.
Good so when are they going to all free seating and alcohol consumption during the game?
I miss understood your question, sorry.
I don't think they ever will and hope they don't. The atmosphere won't be as good. It would kill football quicker than the money that has ruined it, or so we are told.
Football is different than before but it's never been as good. It's never been able to attract this much money, these many games, this much world wide exposure. These many fans.
Football isn't ruined, it's different but still has huge strides to make.
I just can't imagine not being able to have a drink whilst watching sport. It would feel like a restaurant without chairs."
It's never once bothered me, I enjoy a day of drinks at the cricket but just as happy drinking .
It's just the same really and I hope it dosent put you off.
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"I personally hate everything about the premier league.
The lower leagues and non league football are so much more enjoyable to attend.
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I've seen Cardiff play in every league and cup except the Premier league. I took a season off. |
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Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch.
That's the law yes. Do you mean all football fans in general just can't be trusted in those ways?
No i meant it was the opinion of rule makers at a point in time that football fans can't be trusted in those ways so they made rules than mean football fans aren't trusted. I think it's tragic and those rules need to be reversed. "
ok, got you.
I'm in two minds to be honest. I think the balance isn't bad at the moment. Generally segregated seating is probably still right. There are still 1% of people who will start trouble and then a few who would join in. Seperate seating is no big deal, in my mind. Seperate sets of fans, singing is part of the atmosphere. Spilling over into violence obviously not. Thankfully the days of that being the norm have gone. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch.
I know that fans are generally segregated and alchol isnt allowed pitchside however i know that not all fans behave badly and that those rules are in place for the minority.
So why not just ban the minority instead of inconviencing everyone?"
Because everyone is tarred with the same brush and it means other sports fans can slate football fans. However im a STH at a prem team and i can and do happily interact with away fans at home and away games and can consume alchol without getting into a fight with away football fans. Not all football fans are the same. The minority spoil it for others. |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
I'm sure this was meant tongue in cheek but give me a football or rugby league match any day with down to earth commoners over those middle/upper class twats that you see at Twickers!
Come on, football fans can't even be trusted to sit next to away fans or drink alcohol whilst watching the game
Some football fans can.
Personally iv had more problems with rugby fans hassling me aggresivly, that was them causing the trouble, i was just walking past the stadium.
Unless you're talking about non-league then they aren't trusted to sit next to each other or drink alcohol within view of the pitch.
I know that fans are generally segregated and alchol isnt allowed pitchside however i know that not all fans behave badly and that those rules are in place for the minority.
So why not just ban the minority instead of inconviencing everyone?
They do and have. Take France last year when Russia fans did as they wanted. They didn't take into account most of England's trouble makers had to hand their passports in.
You cause trouble at football now and you'll be rudely awaken 4 am a few weeks later by the police.
Banning orders have worked along with fan pressure. New stadiums and a change in culture."
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
And there's me thinking union was a proper working mans game, you live and learnYou've been trolled.
Most of the stuff about class and sport is hugely overblown. Union is played across the class range; so is league. Soccer is played by all classes too.
Oh but it's not. Private schools rarely have football teams. If you read the names of the 20 premiership teams, outside London it's like a map of the working class areas of the UK. Just because a few posh people occasionally fancy a bit of rough and watch a football match, it doesn't change the overwhelmingly trend. That's an astonishingly shallow definition of class. For the record the rules of soccer were based on the rules drawn up at that well know working class institution Cambridge University, and the early years of the FA cup were dominated by Wanderers, a side based on public school players.
Soccer went nationwide for the same reason as rugby league; promoters were willing to pay players and profit from the game. With the introduction of the profit motive came hype, and soccer became a de facto national game of England, but the class issue is hugely over stressed. (incidentally, rugby union in Wales prospered because club committees acted like soccer promoters and were willing to pay players boot money, or to reward players in other ways - with jobs or sinecures.)
Would you agree newcastle is a working class city?"
No. That sort of generalisation is hugely suspect not least because, even before professionalism, Newcastle had one of Engladn's best rugby union sides (Gosforth).
Newcastle is a typical regional capital; working class in many places, but with a solid mercantile and landowning base that gave it a local gentry and local ruling class. Even when Newcastle's wealthiest people moved out they didn't go far (google Cragside). Gosforth and the middle clases of Tynemouth and Jesmond were as important to Newcastle sports and culture as Scotswood and Byker.
All cities have working class areas, and many have soccer teams. The fact that soccer grounds, from a very early time, were divided between classes of supporters (grandstands, enclosures, terraces, paddocks and so on) explains better than I can exactly how broad soccer's support was.
Again, the key driver in the growth of soccer in Newcastle was the early formation of a 'united' side that could be professionally organised and promoted.
The social history of sport is too important to be left to people who think rugby union is only played by toffs, or league by pie eating Wiganners. |
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Just to add some stats about football, in 2016-17 across all 4 divisions in England, there were 4 arrests per every 100,000 people attending games.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/42095049
There were less than 10 arrests for racism or religion indecent chanting.
For those happier at lower league than premier, it’s interesting to show that the % of arrests at PL games is much lower than the other 3 leagues.
Those who have the opinions that football is still a sport full of hooligans will likely spin this but he game has clearly improved since the 80s |
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv."
Yawn! I look forward to your next post about how you can't understand the words in modern pop music and your outrage about how 'gays can get married now, it's political correctness gone mad.' |
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"Football is brilliant, it keeps the working class away from rugby matches.
And there's me thinking union was a proper working mans game, you live and learnYou've been trolled.
Most of the stuff about class and sport is hugely overblown. Union is played across the class range; so is league. Soccer is played by all classes too.
Oh but it's not. Private schools rarely have football teams. If you read the names of the 20 premiership teams, outside London it's like a map of the working class areas of the UK. Just because a few posh people occasionally fancy a bit of rough and watch a football match, it doesn't change the overwhelmingly trend. That's an astonishingly shallow definition of class. For the record the rules of soccer were based on the rules drawn up at that well know working class institution Cambridge University, and the early years of the FA cup were dominated by Wanderers, a side based on public school players.
Soccer went nationwide for the same reason as rugby league; promoters were willing to pay players and profit from the game. With the introduction of the profit motive came hype, and soccer became a de facto national game of England, but the class issue is hugely over stressed. (incidentally, rugby union in Wales prospered because club committees acted like soccer promoters and were willing to pay players boot money, or to reward players in other ways - with jobs or sinecures.)
Would you agree newcastle is a working class city?No. That sort of generalisation is hugely suspect not least because, even before professionalism, Newcastle had one of Engladn's best rugby union sides (Gosforth).
Newcastle is a typical regional capital; working class in many places, but with a solid mercantile and landowning base that gave it a local gentry and local ruling class. Even when Newcastle's wealthiest people moved out they didn't go far (google Cragside). Gosforth and the middle clases of Tynemouth and Jesmond were as important to Newcastle sports and culture as Scotswood and Byker.
All cities have working class areas, and many have soccer teams. The fact that soccer grounds, from a very early time, were divided between classes of supporters (grandstands, enclosures, terraces, paddocks and so on) explains better than I can exactly how broad soccer's support was.
Again, the key driver in the growth of soccer in Newcastle was the early formation of a 'united' side that could be professionally organised and promoted.
The social history of sport is too important to be left to people who think rugby union is only played by toffs, or league by pie eating Wiganners."
I think that you reject the idea that any city is a "working class city" rather than there are no standards by which newcastle could be judged a working class city? |
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And there's me thinking union was a proper working mans game, you live and learnYou've been trolled.
Most of the stuff about class and sport is hugely overblown. Union is played across the class range; so is league. Soccer is played by all classes too.
Oh but it's not. Private schools rarely have football teams. If you read the names of the 20 premiership teams, outside London it's like a map of the working class areas of the UK. Just because a few posh people occasionally fancy a bit of rough and watch a football match, it doesn't change the overwhelmingly trend. That's an astonishingly shallow definition of class. For the record the rules of soccer were based on the rules drawn up at that well know working class institution Cambridge University, and the early years of the FA cup were dominated by Wanderers, a side based on public school players.
Soccer went nationwide for the same reason as rugby league; promoters were willing to pay players and profit from the game. With the introduction of the profit motive came hype, and soccer became a de facto national game of England, but the class issue is hugely over stressed. (incidentally, rugby union in Wales prospered because club committees acted like soccer promoters and were willing to pay players boot money, or to reward players in other ways - with jobs or sinecures.)
Would you agree newcastle is a working class city?No. That sort of generalisation is hugely suspect not least because, even before professionalism, Newcastle had one of Engladn's best rugby union sides (Gosforth).
Newcastle is a typical regional capital; working class in many places, but with a solid mercantile and landowning base that gave it a local gentry and local ruling class. Even when Newcastle's wealthiest people moved out they didn't go far (google Cragside). Gosforth and the middle clases of Tynemouth and Jesmond were as important to Newcastle sports and culture as Scotswood and Byker.
All cities have working class areas, and many have soccer teams. The fact that soccer grounds, from a very early time, were divided between classes of supporters (grandstands, enclosures, terraces, paddocks and so on) explains better than I can exactly how broad soccer's support was.
Again, the key driver in the growth of soccer in Newcastle was the early formation of a 'united' side that could be professionally organised and promoted.
The social history of sport is too important to be left to people who think rugby union is only played by toffs, or league by pie eating Wiganners.
I think that you reject the idea that any city is a "working class city" rather than there are no standards by which newcastle could be judged a working class city?"
You think wrong. If the question had been about Sunderland for instance I might have been happier to go along with it, not least because Sunderland lacks many of the elements Newcastle had. |
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Let’s be honest, overpaid nancyboys don’t even like getting their hands or face dirty!
Roll around screaming when their hair falls out of place, forty used to be a physical game for the working classes.
Now it’s pathetic |
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv."
One of the main reasons England will never be great, people with these attitudes are usually the ones who bullied the smaller technically gifted boys in schools in the UK scared them away from the game as the 16 year old refs couldn't maintain control. If you'd prefer to see Vinnie Jones over David Silva go watch the UFC. |
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I think that you reject the idea that any city is a "working class city" rather than there are no standards by which newcastle could be judged a working class city?You think wrong. If the question had been about Sunderland for instance I might have been happier to go along with it, not least because Sunderland lacks many of the elements Newcastle had."
Ok I'm learning about the northern hierarchy of cities, this is fun
Is manchester the best? In the recent ONS figures it was the only northern city with a decent GVA. |
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I think that you reject the idea that any city is a "working class city" rather than there are no standards by which newcastle could be judged a working class city?You think wrong. If the question had been about Sunderland for instance I might have been happier to go along with it, not least because Sunderland lacks many of the elements Newcastle had.
Ok I'm learning about the northern hierarchy of cities, this is fun
Is manchester the best? In the recent ONS figures it was the only northern city with a decent GVA. "
Put the shovel down, you're deep enough in already.
The ONS does not produce GVA figures for the City of Manchester alone; it does GVA figures for aggregated local authorities including the city, but that's a different thing. The GVA figures for Greater Manchester South are pretty reasonable, but the idea that that makes it 'the best' is faintly absurd. |
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I think that you reject the idea that any city is a "working class city" rather than there are no standards by which newcastle could be judged a working class city?You think wrong. If the question had been about Sunderland for instance I might have been happier to go along with it, not least because Sunderland lacks many of the elements Newcastle had.
Ok I'm learning about the northern hierarchy of cities, this is fun
Is manchester the best? In the recent ONS figures it was the only northern city with a decent GVA. Put the shovel down, you're deep enough in already.
The ONS does not produce GVA figures for the City of Manchester alone; it does GVA figures for aggregated local authorities including the city, but that's a different thing. The GVA figures for Greater Manchester South are pretty reasonable, but the idea that that makes it 'the best' is faintly absurd. "
So it's not the best? |
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A few years back I was had a word with about my behaviour at a football game - not proud of it now more embarrassed. The details were that we were playing Blackpool last game of the season, we had won the league and it had been announced that Charlie Adam would be joining Liverpool.
As Liverpool is one of our hated rival I chose this opertunity to tell him what I though of him any time he came near touch line and Liverpool F.C. lets say the language used was colourful. Anyway gmp (that is greater Manc police) decided to advise me to stop my behaviour and cut out the language which I did
Anyway I was singled out even though a number of other fans were giving him stick. I was sober.
Yesterday, a number of Leicestershire police and body cams on (you can tell by red light), and were recording Man Utd fans, well it looked like there was a scrap and they were recording it.
The law for football fans are quite draconian. For example can’t drink in site of pitch, rugby fans can. Can’t turn up pissed rugby fans can, can’t drink on organised coach, hen and stag party can. Football coach’s are suggested to tell police where they are going, if not can be stopped from going near ground the list goes on and on
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"Oh my god how the game has changed fro m the good old harman days of the 70s/80s. The way these fairies fall down now at the slightest touch to cheat is beyond a joke, and you have ex players saying he was touched so has the right to dive. No wonder a lot of people have lost the faith in the game. Used to love match days when had my season tkt but now i hardly even watch on tv.
One of the main reasons England will never be great, people with these attitudes are usually the ones who bullied the smaller technically gifted boys in schools in the UK scared them away from the game as the 16 year old refs couldn't maintain control. If you'd prefer to see Vinnie Jones over David Silva go watch the UFC."
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I love football, the quality has improved massively over the years but then there would be something very wrong if it hadn't.
As for the diving and play acting I may be in the minority but I don't really mind it. I accept it as part and parcel of the game and for me it adds to the theatre and drama of it all.
Some of the best Football I've ever seen was Guardiola's Barca v Real Madrid from a few seasons ago, the quality was insane but so were the theatrics. For me it all just added to the entertainment and made it the spectacle that it was.
I think the OP has a dated perspective, football has definitely changed. Granted not everyone likes it but generally I think it's for the better, I know I would much rather have the game of today than what we had in this country in the 1980's. |
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