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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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An angling farm here in Oxfordshire has put a sign saying no Polish or Eastern Europeans. Apparently he says they go to extreme measures to steal the carp instead of catch and release. What are your thoughts on this? Racism? Or as some say his land his rules? |
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"An angling farm here in Oxfordshire has put a sign saying no Polish or Eastern Europeans. Apparently he says they go to extreme measures to steal the carp instead of catch and release. What are your thoughts on this? Racism? Or as some say his land his rules?"
The Daily Mail with turn him into a hero.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't often say this, but yeah, that is racist.
A simple "don't steal the fish" would have done, and you can't say "my land, my rules" if you are asking people to come onto your land as part of your business.
Maybe fisheries owners are just grumpy buggers.
I phoned my local commercial pool a few years ago, and asked about prices and opening times, I also asked if I turned up an hour early, to set up if that would be ok, his answer was "if you are by the pool before 7am, all that will happen is, I will set the dogs on you" suffice to say I have never and will never fish there, there are ways of telling people not to do something, no need to be a dick about it |
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Are you sure he’s not simply run out of Mr Muscles?
Maybe the effort of writing that the counter top maybe be dusty or have greasy fingerprints as we have unfortunately run out of furniture polish was too much for him so he simply shortened it to No Polish???? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't often say this, but yeah, that is racist.
A simple "don't steal the fish" would have done, and you can't say "my land, my rules" if you are asking people to come onto your land as part of your business.
Maybe fisheries owners are just grumpy buggers.
I phoned my local commercial pool a few years ago, and asked about prices and opening times, I also asked if I turned up an hour early, to set up if that would be ok, his answer was "if you are by the pool before 7am, all that will happen is, I will set the dogs on you" suffice to say I have never and will never fish there, there are ways of telling people not to do something, no need to be a dick about it"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"An angling farm here in Oxfordshire has put a sign saying no Polish or Eastern Europeans. Apparently he says they go to extreme measures to steal the carp instead of catch and release. What are your thoughts on this? Racism? Or as some say his land his rules?"
Having worked in this industry I can say that it is an issue. The extreme measures can include viciously barbed hooks that, if they dont manage to catch and kill the fish then leave them with ripped mouths leading to infection and death at a later date. The price of a day fishing ticket does not cover the cost of stolen or mutilated fish.
That said, rather than banning eastern Europeans entirely it would be better to have more bailiffs on duty to make sure people follow the rules and do spot checks. |
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"eastern Europeans must have a great laugh at us ..."hey can you believe it those crazy English they catch the fish.. then they put them back.. ""
These blinking carp are worth hundreds and thousands though it's not like your average cod n chips  |
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I wish the law was stronger - I'd have his assets seized and prison time for him.
It's good that he's got a sign up, saying that they cannot be served by his company,as it makes it very clear what he is doing.
Provide a public service and you are not legally permitted to pick out who you will and will not provide business services to, such as race, gender etc.
Such abhorrent practices belong in the past |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A lake I go to has been more or less fished out by people bagging fish to take home and eat it’s not just polish but Romanians as well most polish who fish there are returning catches as it’s their sport as welll . But what we do have to remember is in their countries it’s normal to eat carp and other fish . Maybe just a notice saying all fish to be placed back in lake after capture should reduce the losss . Carp is a food source it’s just that we the English stopped eating carp a long time ago |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He'd be better off stating a limit on how many fish people can catch and take per session. "
As a carp fish man myself you don’t catch to take away. All carp on every lake are catch and release. Op in the country’s you've said they catch carp to eat and it’s got a big problem over here that carp are being poached. The EA are trying everything to stop this. It might not be politically correct to ban one type of people but when it costs £1000’s of per carp to restock where do you draw the line |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's other racist the guys running a business
If there going over netting fish and stealing them his fish stocks are dropping dramatically and destroying his business
They don't just use rods they drag net and take huge quantities in 1 go
Perhaps he's exausted already all the pc crap and now gone for an outright ban
People seem to forget this country is our home our values and our ways
If people want to come live and work here then ok
But when in Rome do what the Romans do...
Why should it be any different for the uk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He'd be better off stating a limit on how many fish people can catch and take per session.
As a carp fish man myself you don’t catch to take away. All carp on every lake are catch and release. Op in the country’s you've said they catch carp to eat and it’s got a big problem over here that carp are being poached. The EA are trying everything to stop this. It might not be politically correct to ban one type of people but when it costs £1000’s of per carp to restock where do you draw the line "
Oh right sorry I thought you catch fish and take them. Why on earth would you chuck them back?! 
I feel like a newbie single man in a swinging club. Clueless. 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He'd be better off stating a limit on how many fish people can catch and take per session.
As a carp fish man myself you don’t catch to take away. All carp on every lake are catch and release. Op in the country’s you've said they catch carp to eat and it’s got a big problem over here that carp are being poached. The EA are trying everything to stop this. It might not be politically correct to ban one type of people but when it costs £1000’s of per carp to restock where do you draw the line
Oh right sorry I thought you catch fish and take them. Why on earth would you chuck them back?!
I feel like a newbie single man in a swinging club. Clueless.
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It’s a sport where it’s about catching them at there best weights. Some of these carp grow to 50-60lb in the uk over 100lb in France. I would go into detail about what us carpers like but it would probably bore you to death lol |
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I have nothing against eastern euros but I would not want them at my fishery if they were sneaking fish out
Years since I've fished but I've heard about the rise of fish been taken to eat by them.
He also said no kids or dogs so what about them? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He'd be better off stating a limit on how many fish people can catch and take per session.
As a carp fish man myself you don’t catch to take away. All carp on every lake are catch and release. Op in the country’s you've said they catch carp to eat and it’s got a big problem over here that carp are being poached. The EA are trying everything to stop this. It might not be politically correct to ban one type of people but when it costs £1000’s of per carp to restock where do you draw the line
Oh right sorry I thought you catch fish and take them. Why on earth would you chuck them back?!
I feel like a newbie single man in a swinging club. Clueless.
It’s a sport where it’s about catching them at there best weights. Some of these carp grow to 50-60lb in the uk over 100lb in France. I would go into detail about what us carpers like but it would probably bore you to death lol "
I'm not bored, I've learned something, thank you. I still wouldn't go fishing though. |
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I'm sorry but if they are really doing this then the guy has every right to put this sign up. It's his land , it's his business and these people are costing him a fortune then good on him for taking a stand . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's other racist the guys running a business
If there going over netting fish and stealing them his fish stocks are dropping dramatically and destroying his business
They don't just use rods they drag net and take huge quantities in 1 go
Perhaps he's exausted already all the pc crap and now gone for an outright ban
People seem to forget this country is our home our values and our ways
If people want to come live and work here then ok
But when in Rome do what the Romans do...
Why should it be any different for the uk."
When in Rome.
My dad taught me that phrase.
He was in an Italian prison for killing 40000 Christians at the time though |
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Well, if they are stealing or poaching them, does he think the sign will stop them?
I don't know how a fishing lake works in terms of admitting customers, but clearly explaining it's a catch and return when anybody enters?? |
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But when in Rome do what the Romans do...
Why should it be any different for the uk.
When in Rome.
My dad taught me that phrase.
He was in an Italian prison for killing 40000 Christians at the time though"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wish the law was stronger - I'd have his assets seized and prison time for him.
It's good that he's got a sign up, saying that they cannot be served by his company,as it makes it very clear what he is doing.
Provide a public service and you are not legally permitted to pick out who you will and will not provide business services to, such as race, gender etc.
Such abhorrent practices belong in the past"
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Prison time?.
Holy shit, you know one of the guys involved in the 6 death pile up in Birmingham was given three years only 10 months ago for doing 130mph while evading the police for drug peddling.... And yet only 10 months after his 3 year sentence 5 people are dead!!.
Let's concentrate our efforts on the most needed before we go imprisoning sign makers hey  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We could always capture the perpetrators line them up and systematically bum them dry as a detterant
I'm sure there's plenty of monster cocks on here upto the job... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"An angling farm here in Oxfordshire has put a sign saying no Polish or Eastern Europeans. Apparently he says they go to extreme measures to steal the carp instead of catch and release. What are your thoughts on this? Racism? Or as some say his land his rules?
The Daily Mail with turn him into a hero.."
Read the article on their yesterday. Only a few comments at that point but as vile and predictable as you'd exoect |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was told that in Poland they eat carp at Christmas, so to them it is the norm.
Maybe the fishing lakes could make some money buy selling the carp, that way they can both be happy.
Or maybe they could collect all the poles up dump them in a wooded area and set the fox hunting brigade onto them..
I quite like the idea of Polish penis's hanging off my mantle piece like trophys..."
Im surprised the Mods haven't read this.
I urge you to read what the Polish airmen did in the battle of Britain. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Look if a dog shits on your grass you put up a sign saying no dogs..
Same goes for theives I say... "
The sign doesn't say 'no thieves'.
That would be perfectly legal. |
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By *idsAndyMan
over a year ago
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Hold on, am I following this correctly, admittedly I CBA to read it all. But I think some fish lake had some fish stolen and so therefore put up a sign saying "no Polish"?
And people are OK with this?
WTF |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was told that in Poland they eat carp at Christmas, so to them it is the norm.
Maybe the fishing lakes could make some money buy selling the carp, that way they can both be happy.
Or maybe they could collect all the poles up dump them in a wooded area and set the fox hunting brigade onto them..
I quite like the idea of Polish penis's hanging off my mantle piece like trophys...
Im surprised the Mods haven't read this.
I urge you to read what the Polish airmen did in the battle of Britain."
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They didn't volunteer to defend Britain for the hell of it!.
They had no county left to defend, they were here doing what French, Dutch, Norwegian and British airmen were doing, trying to defeat the Nazis. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Look if a dog shits on your grass you put up a sign saying no dogs..
Same goes for theives I say... "
Dogs cant read, but hopefully you knew that.
No thieves is perfectly fine. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Look if a dog shits on your grass you put up a sign saying no dogs..
Same goes for theives I say... "
So you don't put up a sign, NO HUSKEYS! ?
Weird...I thought if we're distinguishing groups why stop at people... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Discriminatory maybe, but racist? No.
Racism itself is a bit of a misnomer. It implies that there are different 'races' of human, which of course there are not. Just different colours. However, if we were to use skin colour as the basis for racism (as most do), then most Poles/Slavs etc are white. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Look if a dog shits on your grass you put up a sign saying no dogs..
Same goes for theives I say...
So you don't put up a sign, NO HUSKEYS! ?
Weird...I thought if we're distinguishing groups why stop at people..."
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Well if it were just huskies shitting on his grass I would imagine that the way the brain works then the sign would say no huskies, I don't doubt for a minute that some huskies wouldn't shit on his grass but alas the cognitive bias process is such a palava |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't get why you would catch fish if you weren't going to eat them.... what am I missing?"
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It's a left over trait of human evolution, a bit like distrusting the person who's not in your tribe  |
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Putting a sign up that says no polish isn't going to stop anyone from breaking into the lake at night and stealing the fish.
It is common place in many eastern European countries, not just Poland, to eat carp for Christmas dinner. Most will buy theirs from specialist eastern European supermarkets.
Unfortunately there are thieves of all nationalities who will steal something for their Christmas dinner, be it a turkey or a carp.
Our university has a lake full of carp and for a few years now they have had 24hr security to prevent thefts around Christmas time, there doesn't seem to be an issue the rest of the year.
Perhaps instead if the xenophobic policy this fishing lake owner would be better off upping his security. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Look if a dog shits on your grass you put up a sign saying no dogs..
Same goes for theives I say...
So you don't put up a sign, NO HUSKEYS! ?
Weird...I thought if we're distinguishing groups why stop at people....
Well if it were just huskies shitting on his grass I would imagine that the way the brain works then the sign would say no huskies, I don't doubt for a minute that some huskies wouldn't shit on his grass but alas the cognitive bias process is such a palava"
If we resort to that analogy British people (as well as other nationslities) would be banned from going on holiday to Ibiza |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Look if a dog shits on your grass you put up a sign saying no dogs..
Same goes for theives I say...
So you don't put up a sign, NO HUSKEYS! ?
Weird...I thought if we're distinguishing groups why stop at people....
Well if it were just huskies shitting on his grass I would imagine that the way the brain works then the sign would say no huskies, I don't doubt for a minute that some huskies wouldn't shit on his grass but alas the cognitive bias process is such a palava
If we resort to that analogy British people (as well as other nationslities) would be banned from going on holiday to Ibiza "
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I wouldn't know, I've never been there, do the vast majority of British tourists shit on the grass? |
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"Hold on, am I following this correctly, admittedly I CBA to read it all. But I think some fish lake had some fish stolen and so therefore put up a sign saying "no Polish"?
And people are OK with this?
WTF"
Summary: The 'debate' comes about because normally the fish are caught and thrown back. East Europeans eat carp at Christmas, and fish are being poached.
They are suspected for that reason, hence the sign.
Not saying it's right, that's just a summary. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Discriminatory maybe, but racist? No.
Racism itself is a bit of a misnomer. It implies that there are different 'races' of human, which of course there are not. Just different colours. However, if we were to use skin colour as the basis for racism (as most do), then most Poles/Slavs etc are white. "
It's illegal,under the equality act 2010, to discriminate on ground of national origin as well as color.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Discriminatory maybe, but racist? No.
Racism itself is a bit of a misnomer. It implies that there are different 'races' of human, which of course there are not. Just different colours. However, if we were to use skin colour as the basis for racism (as most do), then most Poles/Slavs etc are white.
It's illegal,under the equality act 2010, to discriminate on ground of national origin as well as color.
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Unless of course your white British...us lot don't suffer racism do we that's Impossible
Always the perpetrator never the victim... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Any of you that know me on.here will know that I'm not one to scream racism at the slightest thing, but banning people from a particular region I'm the world is racist, and a knee jerk reaction.
The people who are stealing the carp are using nets to drag the lake, so going over the fence I would imagine, so making a point of banning Pole's (no pun intended) makes no sense.
It's criminals who you need to deter, not your average law abiding pole
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"I wish the law was stronger - I'd have his assets seized and prison time for him.
It's good that he's got a sign up, saying that they cannot be served by his company,as it makes it very clear what he is doing.
Provide a public service and you are not legally permitted to pick out who you will and will not provide business services to, such as race, gender etc.
Such abhorrent practices belong in the past"
It's not a public service it's a club.
Like single men in swingers clubs being charged more or not let in.
Suck it up buttercup |
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"I wish the law was stronger - I'd have his assets seized and prison time for him.
It's good that he's got a sign up, saying that they cannot be served by his company,as it makes it very clear what he is doing.
Provide a public service and you are not legally permitted to pick out who you will and will not provide business services to, such as race, gender etc.
Such abhorrent practices belong in the past
It's not a public service it's a club.
Like single men in swingers clubs being charged more or not let in.
Suck it up buttercup "
It's neither a public service or a club. That doesn't exclude it from the law anyway. Asda isn't a public service, but they can't put 'no blacks' on the door can they? |
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"Discriminatory maybe, but racist? No.
Racism itself is a bit of a misnomer. It implies that there are different 'races' of human, which of course there are not. Just different colours. However, if we were to use skin colour as the basis for racism (as most do), then most Poles/Slavs etc are white.
It's illegal,under the equality act 2010, to discriminate on ground of national origin as well as color.
Unless of course your white British...us lot don't suffer racism do we that's Impossible
Always the perpetrator never the victim..."
You have issues. Attention seeking usually stop before primary school. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"An angling farm here in Oxfordshire has put a sign saying no Polish or Eastern Europeans. Apparently he says they go to extreme measures to steal the carp instead of catch and release. What are your thoughts on this? Racism? Or as some say his land his rules?"
I know he stated NO POLISH but can we use wax to clean our cars, here are several good reasons why it's better to use wax
Well, there are a number of reason:
Carnauba Wax is virtually insoluble in water, meaning that it won't disappear or be removed very easily after each wash or rain shower.
It has a melting point of approx 82-86°c, so it can withstand high daylight summer temperatures without melting off your car.
It is one of the hardest waxes that can be found in its natural form and thus produces a very durable and extremely glossy finish when combined with other waxes and ingredients which we find in wax products. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’ve just got this image of Mick Dundee in a Little rowing boat on a carp lake in oxford dropping sticks of dynamite in and pulling Fish out with his bare hands |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Discriminatory maybe, but racist? No.
Racism itself is a bit of a misnomer. It implies that there are different 'races' of human, which of course there are not. Just different colours. However, if we were to use skin colour as the basis for racism (as most do), then most Poles/Slavs etc are white.
It's illegal,under the equality act 2010, to discriminate on ground of national origin as well as color.
Unless of course your white British...us lot don't suffer racism do we that's Impossible
Always the perpetrator never the victim..."
It would be illegal to put up a sign saying 'No white British' too but,I'm willing to bet you've never seen a sign like that. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"An angling farm here in Oxfordshire has put a sign saying no Polish or Eastern Europeans. Apparently he says they go to extreme measures to steal the carp instead of catch and release. What are your thoughts on this? Racism? Or as some say his land his rules?
Having worked in this industry I can say that it is an issue. The extreme measures can include viciously barbed hooks that, if they dont manage to catch and kill the fish then leave them with ripped mouths leading to infection and death at a later date. The price of a day fishing ticket does not cover the cost of stolen or mutilated fish.
That said, rather than banning eastern Europeans entirely it would be better to have more bailiffs on duty to make sure people follow the rules and do spot checks."
The only problem with the extra security is the extra costs and the increase in rates required to pay for it could end up costing the guy business. I suppose it's the only way though. Banning all people of certain nationalities isn't really on.
But this type of thing is a problem, wasn't there a story in the papers a while ago about eastern Europeans catching and eating wild swans? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Discriminatory maybe, but racist? No.
Racism itself is a bit of a misnomer. It implies that there are different 'races' of human, which of course there are not. Just different colours. However, if we were to use skin colour as the basis for racism (as most do), then most Poles/Slavs etc are white.
It's illegal,under the equality act 2010, to discriminate on ground of national origin as well as color.
Unless of course your white British...us lot don't suffer racism do we that's Impossible
Always the perpetrator never the victim...
It would be illegal to put up a sign saying 'No white British' too but,I'm willing to bet you've never seen a sign like that."
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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You can breed carp in a muddy puddle.
He should probably get over it and if he's really that bothered, he should pay more attention to what's going on on his fishery. I managed to baliff trout fisheries where you take fish in the past, it's not that hard.
Maybe he could start the first put and take carp fishery.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Pc police and out in force on this thread I see I'm lmao @ you lot so moulded by what society says is right you fail to see the humour in it all...come on were British ffs
Here's 1 for you prince bill and miss Markal or however you right it and havin a banana flavoured wedding cake how's that for irony
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Pc police and out in force on this thread I see I'm lmao @ you lot so moulded by what society says is right you fail to see the humour in it all...come on were British ffs
Here's 1 for you prince bill and miss Markal or however you right it and havin a banana flavoured wedding cake how's that for irony
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And in English please? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"An angling farm here in Oxfordshire has put a sign saying no Polish or Eastern Europeans. Apparently he says they go to extreme measures to steal the carp instead of catch and release. What are your thoughts on this? Racism? Or as some say his land his rules?"
Saw the sighn on telly this morning it is pure rascism he should be prosecuted
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Pc police and out in force on this thread I see I'm lmao @ you lot so moulded by what society says is right you fail to see the humour in it all...come on were British ffs
Here's 1 for you prince bill and miss Markal or however you right it and havin a banana flavoured wedding cake how's that for irony
And in English please?"
If you can't make out the jist of what I'm saying cos of a few typos you belong with the poles  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pc police and out in force on this thread I see I'm lmao @ you lot so moulded by what society says is right you fail to see the humour in it all...come on were British ffs
Here's 1 for you prince bill and miss Markal or however you right it and havin a banana flavoured wedding cake how's that for irony
And in English please?
If you can't make out the jist of what I'm saying cos of a few typos you belong with the poles "
As a man of Polish origin, I don't make half the grammatical mistakes you do. So please don't make it sound like we're the bad guys |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I don't often say this, but yeah, that is racist.
A simple "don't steal the fish" would have done, and you can't say "my land, my rules" if you are asking people to come onto your land as part of your business.
Maybe fisheries owners are just grumpy buggers.
I phoned my local commercial pool a few years ago, and asked about prices and opening times, I also asked if I turned up an hour early, to set up if that would be ok, his answer was "if you are by the pool before 7am, all that will happen is, I will set the dogs on you" suffice to say I have never and will never fish there, there are ways of telling people not to do something, no need to be a dick about it"
Stop fishing in swimming pools |
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"Pc police and out in force on this thread I see I'm lmao @ you lot so moulded by what society says is right you fail to see the humour in it all...come on were British ffs
Here's 1 for you prince bill and miss Markal or however you right it and havin a banana flavoured wedding cake how's that for irony
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Oh yeah, banana flavour and she's black, I see what you did there, oh hold on the phones ringing.....
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Pc police and out in force on this thread I see I'm lmao @ you lot so moulded by what society says is right you fail to see the humour in it all...come on were British ffs
Here's 1 for you prince bill and miss Markal or however you right it and havin a banana flavoured wedding cake how's that for irony
And in English please?
If you can't make out the jist of what I'm saying cos of a few typos you belong with the poles "
Oh really? I can normally speak typo, but yours is particularly confusing.
I work with a lot of Poles, and I find them easier to understand than you. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Pc police and out in force on this thread I see I'm lmao @ you lot so moulded by what society says is right you fail to see the humour in it all...come on were British ffs
Here's 1 for you prince bill and miss Markal or however you right it and havin a banana flavoured wedding cake how's that for irony
Oh yeah, banana flavour and she's black, I see what you did there, oh hold on the phones ringing.....
It was the 1970s they want their attitude back"
Whos black? Angela Merkel? I honestly don't understand this guy... |
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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago
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Having read this forum post. For ten years up to 2007 i was a head bailiff for a commercial fishery company. Most of the waters were fenced and gated with locks. Some like the one i looked after with 10 bailiffs who were visiting the lakes to check for illegal fishing. Had public access to them, which means keeping people out a problem. The company supplied and put up signs in 3 languages .Which frequently were smashed or removed. Stating private fishery and no fish to be taken etc. These were in English, Polish and Romanian. I can understand some on here saying it is racist, i have friends and work mates who are Polish and 2 of my bailiffs had a Polish parent. But having been threatened twice with baseball bats and once with a shotgun.I do admit i was not sure if real. We had always been instructed not to confront if threatened in any way. Contact police. All times the persons threatening said “ no speak english “ Police were called and the EA were called each time but they had gone before police etc arrived. I know of several other bailiffs who have been threatend also. The police said catching , proving what had happened was very difficult.This was reason for giving up being head bailiff, as it was voluntary, although i did get expenses. So i can understand why the fishery owner has put up the sign. Especially if his business is suffering. Some have said it only happens around Christmas, but this is going on throught the year. |
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"Look if a dog shits on your grass you put up a sign saying no dogs..
Same goes for theives I say... "
Well that's just silly, who ever heard of a dog reading signs |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"He'd be better off stating a limit on how many fish people can catch and take per session.
As a carp fish man myself you don’t catch to take away. All carp on every lake are catch and release. Op in the country’s you've said they catch carp to eat and it’s got a big problem over here that carp are being poached. The EA are trying everything to stop this. It might not be politically correct to ban one type of people but when it costs £1000’s of per carp to restock where do you draw the line "
It needn't - carp cost pennies to grow, it's just that people will pay to buy them.
A forward thinking fishery owner could rear carp easily in stewponds and stock them in his lake as others are taken. |
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"Look if a dog shits on your grass you put up a sign saying no dogs..
Same goes for theives I say...
Well that's just silly, who ever heard of a dog reading signs "
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I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
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I used to live near a local conservation area. Due to people feeding them, it was over-run with ducks. The council put signs up asking people not to feed them in the hope that they’d eventually go away!
A few polish families moved into the area and within weeks we were no longer over-run!
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Look if a dog shits on your grass you put up a sign saying no dogs..
Same goes for theives I say...
Well that's just silly, who ever heard of a dog reading signs "
Also just because you put up with a sign that says "no dogs", that doesn't mean you would be happy if some bloke rocked up and took a shit on your lawn. Relating this back to the OP, the guy could put up a sign saying "No Poles", but I doubt he will be happy if his fish is subsequently stolen by a Brit, a kiwi or a Brazilian. |
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"Look if a dog shits on your grass you put up a sign saying no dogs..
Same goes for theives I say...
Well that's just silly, who ever heard of a dog reading signs
There was one years ago on That's Life.. He also said "sausages" "
I remember that! I feel old now. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
Cambridge |
"I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
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No, it's proper racism. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
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Interesting.
In the same way that when my grandparents first came over from Ireland, the signs outside pubs that read "No Blacks, No dogs, No Irish" was also business and not racism? |
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"I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
Interesting.
In the same way that when my grandparents first came over from Ireland, the signs outside pubs that read "No Blacks, No dogs, No Irish" was also business and not racism?"
I felt sorry for my nans dog back then, a very depressed black irish wolf hound |
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A new sport, throw loads of Eastern European into the sea and pull them
Out using dodgy equipment!
Oh no we all ready do that....
Why do you put carp back but not trout, soak carp for 24 hours to get the mud out of them and they taste great!!! |
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"I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
No, it's proper racism. "
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
No, it's proper racism.
So to not be racist we need to allow foreigners to break our laws and not say anything because it might offend them? "
No, you enforce the law on anyone who breaks it, regardless of their nationality. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
No, it's proper racism.
So to not be racist we need to allow foreigners to break our laws and not say anything because it might offend them? "
What laws?
Eating a fish?
Do me a favour! You always got fishermen trying to take more fish than their ticket when I ran trout farms/fisheries. none were Polish. |
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"I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
Interesting.
In the same way that when my grandparents first came over from Ireland, the signs outside pubs that read "No Blacks, No dogs, No Irish" was also business and not racism?"
That would have been racism if it was based only on their race.
Business if every Irish, black etc. stole things from the businesses.
And the past is irrelevant as it is in the past. Getting all freaked out by someone trying to protect their business, strikes me at least, as overkill. Let him do what he wants.
The sad thing is that the majority of Eastern Europeans come here to have a better life, to work hard and to fit in.
But in any culture/race there will be undesirables. Saying no to them is not racist. |
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"An angling farm here in Oxfordshire has put a sign saying no Polish or Eastern Europeans. Apparently he says they go to extreme measures to steal the carp instead of catch and release. What are your thoughts on this? Racism? Or as some say his land his rules?
Having worked in this industry I can say that it is an issue. The extreme measures can include viciously barbed hooks that, if they dont manage to catch and kill the fish then leave them with ripped mouths leading to infection and death at a later date. The price of a day fishing ticket does not cover the cost of stolen or mutilated fish.
That said, rather than banning eastern Europeans entirely it would be better to have more bailiffs on duty to make sure people follow the rules and do spot checks."
Agree, ive worked with the Angling Trust alongside DEFRA and many landholders. All say that this issue is rife, particularly with the east european community.
That said as youve pointed out, more bailiffs would be better. Also I do not thibk he can ban individuals based on cultural/national identity? Racism no, xenophobia maybe, that said he's running a buisness and im guessing this one group is causing the issue.
Theres a fish mongers in kirkgate market in Leeds which actually sells farm raised food consumtion carp, they jumped on the market gap as thats what the polish and hungarian communities in Leeds cc were looking for.
Good idea and good buisness. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
Interesting.
In the same way that when my grandparents first came over from Ireland, the signs outside pubs that read "No Blacks, No dogs, No Irish" was also business and not racism?
That would have been racism if it was based only on their race.
Business if every Irish, black etc. stole things from the businesses.
And the past is irrelevant as it is in the past. Getting all freaked out by someone trying to protect their business, strikes me at least, as overkill. Let him do what he wants.
The sad thing is that the majority of Eastern Europeans come here to have a better life, to work hard and to fit in.
But in any culture/race there will be undesirables. Saying no to them is not racist."
Singling them out becuase of their race, and then refusing to sell services to them because of their race, is racist. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
Interesting.
In the same way that when my grandparents first came over from Ireland, the signs outside pubs that read "No Blacks, No dogs, No Irish" was also business and not racism?
That would have been racism if it was based only on their race.
Business if every Irish, black etc. stole things from the businesses.
And the past is irrelevant as it is in the past. Getting all freaked out by someone trying to protect their business, strikes me at least, as overkill. Let him do what he wants.
The sad thing is that the majority of Eastern Europeans come here to have a better life, to work hard and to fit in.
But in any culture/race there will be undesirables. Saying no to them is not racist."
Irish isn't a race, by the way.
They felt that Irish people didn't respect English social mores.
Rules are rules regardless of race, and to asssume a thought-crime because of someones country of origin is abhorrent. |
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"I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
No, it's proper racism.
So to not be racist we need to allow foreigners to break our laws and not say anything because it might offend them?
What laws?
Eating a fish?
Do me a favour! You always got fishermen trying to take more fish than their ticket when I ran trout farms/fisheries. none were Polish. "
I get that you don't agree with me. Suck it up.
No need to start having a go personally.
Funny how people who think shooting pet cats is fine are worried about the sensibilities of people illegally stealing fish |
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"Rules are rules regardless of race, and to asssume a thought-crime because of someones country of origin is abhorrent. "
Very true, but when a certain group DO commit crimes then I don't think we should have to pander to them. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"An angling farm here in Oxfordshire has put a sign saying no Polish or Eastern Europeans. Apparently he says they go to extreme measures to steal the carp instead of catch and release. What are your thoughts on this? Racism? Or as some say his land his rules?
Having worked in this industry I can say that it is an issue. The extreme measures can include viciously barbed hooks that, if they dont manage to catch and kill the fish then leave them with ripped mouths leading to infection and death at a later date. The price of a day fishing ticket does not cover the cost of stolen or mutilated fish.
That said, rather than banning eastern Europeans entirely it would be better to have more bailiffs on duty to make sure people follow the rules and do spot checks.
Agree, ive worked with the Angling Trust alongside DEFRA and many landholders. All say that this issue is rife, particularly with the east european community.
That said as youve pointed out, more bailiffs would be better. Also I do not thibk he can ban individuals based on cultural/national identity? Racism no, xenophobia maybe, that said he's running a buisness and im guessing this one group is causing the issue.
Theres a fish mongers in kirkgate market in Leeds which actually sells farm raised food consumtion carp, they jumped on the market gap as thats what the polish and hungarian communities in Leeds cc were looking for.
Good idea and good buisness. "
When I was trout farming, carp would find their way into the drains and would grow on on uneaten trout pellets. We'd net them up at this time of year and ship them off to London. |
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"Pc police and out in force on this thread I see I'm lmao @ you lot so moulded by what society says is right you fail to see the humour in it all...come on were British ffs
Here's 1 for you prince bill and miss Markal or however you right it and havin a banana flavoured wedding cake how's that for irony
Oh yeah, banana flavour and she's black, I see what you did there, oh hold on the phones ringing.....
It was the 1970s they want their attitude back"
So agree with you 
It is shocking how racist people are. It is so easy to shout abuse when they are hidden behind a keyboard - even if it is a broken one like his! People are all individuals and behave differently. There are great people and crap people everywhere - Johnny foreigner is no better or worse than we are |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"Rules are rules regardless of race, and to asssume a thought-crime because of someones country of origin is abhorrent.
Very true, but when a certain group DO commit crimes then I don't think we should have to pander to them."
They don't all do it, and that's the point. The guy that is bringing the lawsuit is Polish and a member of the angling trust. |
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"Look if a dog shits on your grass you put up a sign saying no dogs..
Same goes for theives I say...
Well that's just silly, who ever heard of a dog reading signs
There was one years ago on That's Life.. He also said "sausages"
I remember that! I feel old now. "
Shhh... I was only 5 or 6 I think  |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"I'm guessing that, like many women on here, he's set out the rules and they are still being ignored.
And like women on here, he either sets up a big angry list of DO NOTs (which are still ignored), or he 'blocks' the people he knows are taking advantage of him.
It's business, not racism in my opinion.
No, it's proper racism.
So to not be racist we need to allow foreigners to break our laws and not say anything because it might offend them?
What laws?
Eating a fish?
Do me a favour! You always got fishermen trying to take more fish than their ticket when I ran trout farms/fisheries. none were Polish.
I get that you don't agree with me. Suck it up.
No need to start having a go personally.
Funny how people who think shooting pet cats is fine are worried about the sensibilities of people illegally stealing fish "
Theres a world of difference. People releasing predatory animals to kill animals on other peoples property shouldn't be surprised when people on those properties object.
Why should I tolerate peoples pet cats killing chicks I'm raising? |
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"Rules are rules regardless of race, and to asssume a thought-crime because of someones country of origin is abhorrent.
Very true, but when a certain group DO commit crimes then I don't think we should have to pander to them.
They don't all do it, and that's the point. The guy that is bringing the lawsuit is Polish and a member of the angling trust. "
Well I know that.
And before anyone gets really abusive, I don't read the Daily Mail, I don't even have a TV. I have friends from abroad and I've lived abroad. I even have family living in Eastern Europe
But people are what they are and forcing all this racism card, political correctness pisses people off. And it gets blown out of proportion.
It's sign, not a concentration camp. It could be dealt with quietly and politely. But it has to be turned into a racism row.
Let's be totally honest here, if one went to Romania say and there was a sign saying No English, would you be offended? Would you bring a law suit? Or would you accept you were on foreign soils and rise above it?
Anyway, I'm tired but still can't help think it's making a mountain out of a molehill. |
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"Why should I tolerate peoples pet cats killing chicks I'm raising?"
Exactly, you shouldn't. So you put up a sign saying stray cats will be shot.
And because it's just cats and not a nationality it's ok. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Rules are rules regardless of race, and to asssume a thought-crime because of someones country of origin is abhorrent.
Very true, but when a certain group DO commit crimes then I don't think we should have to pander to them.
They don't all do it, and that's the point. The guy that is bringing the lawsuit is Polish and a member of the angling trust.
Well I know that.
And before anyone gets really abusive, I don't read the Daily Mail, I don't even have a TV. I have friends from abroad and I've lived abroad. I even have family living in Eastern Europe
But people are what they are and forcing all this racism card, political correctness pisses people off. And it gets blown out of proportion.
It's sign, not a concentration camp. It could be dealt with quietly and politely. But it has to be turned into a racism row.
Let's be totally honest here, if one went to Romania say and there was a sign saying No English, would you be offended? Would you bring a law suit? Or would you accept you were on foreign soils and rise above it?
Anyway, I'm tired but still can't help think it's making a mountain out of a molehill."
It really isn't.
Its overt racism.
If you saw a sign in a shop window saying "no Jews" would you feel the same? |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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"Why should I tolerate peoples pet cats killing chicks I'm raising?
Exactly, you shouldn't. So you put up a sign saying stray cats will be shot.
And because it's just cats and not a nationality it's ok."
Actually, i'd only shoot a cat I caught in with my chickens, I wouldn't shoot them all on sight, so I'm clearly more tolerant than this fishery owner. |
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Has Donald Trump tweeted on this yet?
Can just imagine it....
Polish terrorists taking carp to make and release fish bombs into rivers going through built up WASP areas ...
There is no situation that Donald Trump cant make worse |
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over a year ago
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But people are what they are and forcing all this racism card, political correctness pisses people off. And it gets blown out of proportion."
Yes, treating people with respect and kindness is such a terrible thing... blown out of proportion that is...
FFS.
It's not a 'card', it's racism. It's what some people have to endure every day of their life. It's something that limits opportunities and forces some people into poverty just because some white people are total pricks who cannot handle the idea of people from a different country or heritage being in their space. |
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There's one thing about the British that stands out head and shoulders above every other country.
They like a fucking good moan and whine as can be seen on this thread |
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But people are what they are and forcing all this racism card, political correctness pisses people off. And it gets blown out of proportion.
Yes, treating people with respect and kindness is such a terrible thing... blown out of proportion that is...
FFS.
It's not a 'card', it's racism. It's what some people have to endure every day of their life. It's something that limits opportunities and forces some people into poverty just because some white people are total pricks who cannot handle the idea of people from a different country or heritage being in their space."
I agree with your sentiment. Remember, the Polish the owner is referring to are also white. Referring to it as a white problem is a bit dodgy in itself. No need for racism, wherever it comes from. |
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over a year ago
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But people are what they are and forcing all this racism card, political correctness pisses people off. And it gets blown out of proportion.
Yes, treating people with respect and kindness is such a terrible thing... blown out of proportion that is...
FFS.
It's not a 'card', it's racism. It's what some people have to endure every day of their life. It's something that limits opportunities and forces some people into poverty just because some white people are total pricks who cannot handle the idea of people from a different country or heritage being in their space.
I agree with your sentiment. Remember, the Polish the owner is referring to are also white. Referring to it as a white problem is a bit dodgy in itself. No need for racism, wherever it comes from."
It's not racist to refer to white British people as white. |
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I agree with your sentiment. Remember, the Polish the owner is referring to are also white. Referring to it as a white problem is a bit dodgy in itself. No need for racism, wherever it comes from.
It's not racist to refer to white British people as white."
I know it isn't. I'm just saying anyone can be racist, regardless of their colour, it's not just a white originated problem. In this case it is, or xenophobic, anyway. |
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"I'm sorry but if they are really doing this then the guy has every right to put this sign up. It's his land , it's his business and these people are costing him a fortune then good on him for taking a stand ."
He has limited rights as a business operator. Do you think it would be similarity Ok for the business to state 'No black people', 'No white people' etc?
Race, gender, sexual orientation and other categories are protected from discrimination by law. This means business operators cannot exclude whole categories of the population, if they are offering public services. There's no gray area, it's just illegal and I'm proud that we have such laws.
Intelligent business management would ordinarily implement security or control measures, to ensure that they are profitable and rules are adhered to. |
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