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over a year ago
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Not sure what the rules are these days but it still appears to be frowned upon by some people and schools if children are taken out of school during term time to go on holiday.
So what about when teachers take time off for a holiday during school term time?
Should this be allowed? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Got quite a few friends that are teachers and never known any of them to holiday outside term time, thought it’s general rule that they can’t "
That was my thoughts, but my sons teacher is on holiday all this week. I will be making a note for if I ever get reprimanded for taking my children out of school. |
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When I was a teacher, it was highly unlikely any staff got time off during term time.
But there were occasional exceptions, important family events, weddings, funerals and obviously medical issues.
She may have something to deal with that doesn't want public & has been permitted it as holiday |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Our wedding is the day before good Friday next year, it’s the last day of term...all 5 kids will have ‘something wrong with them’ that day 
Geeky x"
We've heard there's a virus going around that can take a while family down in one go, nasty little bugs they are  |
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"Teacher training days? Haha
These are ALWAYS in term time... why not have their training on a Saturday or when the schools on break?"
These days are in addition to the days children are required to attend school. The kids still get the same amount of schooling.
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"Teacher training days? Haha
These are ALWAYS in term time... why not have their training on a Saturday or when the schools on break?
These days are in addition to the days children are required to attend school. The kids still get the same amount of schooling.
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Schools are closed for teacher training... so kids get days off whilst teachers train in term time |
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"Teacher training days? Haha
These are ALWAYS in term time... why not have their training on a Saturday or when the schools on break?"
The amount of days a school has to open is set by government rules, 200 days a year,
as is the amount of holiday days
Teacher training days are actually part of the allocated holiday days, schools are allowed to use 5 a year to allow staff training.
So yes a school could chose to ask their staff to give up their weekends for training, but your children would end up with an extra week off instead.
Childcare is hard enough in holidays without adding an extra week, let alone teachers not seeing their own families at weekends
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"Our wedding is the day before good Friday next year, it’s the last day of term...all 5 kids will have ‘something wrong with them’ that day
Geeky x
We've heard there's a virus going around that can take a while family down in one go, nasty little bugs they are "
I just hope none of their teachers are on here although could make an interesting discussion.
“We believe your children weren’t really ill as you posted on a forum all 5 would have “something wrong with them””
“Oh? The website where you have your tits out in your profile?”
“Ok fine they can have the day off!”
“Cheers kinkyteacher123”
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"Our wedding is the day before good Friday next year, it’s the last day of term...all 5 kids will have ‘something wrong with them’ that day
Geeky x
We've heard there's a virus going around that can take a while family down in one go, nasty little bugs they are
I just hope none of their teachers are on here although could make an interesting discussion.
“We believe your children weren’t really ill as you posted on a forum all 5 would have “something wrong with them””
“Oh? The website where you have your tits out in your profile?”
“Ok fine they can have the day off!”
“Cheers kinkyteacher123”
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I heard it was a new bug caught by parents that immediately meant children were excused ,
Called ifuckedurteacheritis |
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Only with exceptional circumstances can staff get time off in term time and it's always unpaid. In almost 20 years I had not know of it happening once. Schools don't even like it if you have a specialist appointment term time, they'd rather you wait another six months for it than do that. Yet some heads are hardly ever in school!
I don't agree with fining parents for term time holidays either, once a year and the parents work and can't get any other time off to me is fine and there shouldn't be a fine. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"When I was a teacher, it was highly unlikely any staff got time off during term time.
But there were occasional exceptions, important family events, weddings, funerals and obviously medical issues.
She may have something to deal with that doesn't want public & has been permitted it as holiday "
She has gone on holiday. We know that for a fact. We would understand if she had something personal to deal with. We think it's double standards. |
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I wonder if teachers post on forums going i cant believe that little shit has gone on holiday and missing vital education?
Ive also waited the day for a parent to seem a bit discruntled that a teacher has decided to say well fuck you kids if yourcparents arent bothered about you missing education by taking you out for holidays then i dont care about taking a week off.
Because lets remember teaching begins with parents 1st we only hand the batton over when they reach 4. In my opinion you can tell by then if parents have been active and teaching children in the right manor. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I wonder if teachers post on forums going i cant believe that little shit has gone on holiday and missing vital education?
Ive also waited the day for a parent to seem a bit discruntled that a teacher has decided to say well fuck you kids if yourcparents arent bothered about you missing education by taking you out for holidays then i dont care about taking a week off.
Because lets remember teaching begins with parents 1st we only hand the batton over when they reach 4. In my opinion you can tell by then if parents have been active and teaching children in the right manor. "
Think you've missed a valid point here. Parents get fined. Do teachers? That is double standards, that is the point that matters to us. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Sounds like teachers don't get fined but they don't get paid either, so they do suffer a penalty for taking a holiday in term time.
Chances are there is a valid reason why they had to take leave this week and it was granted, same for children if there is a valid reason for them to be absent from school then the headteacher will grant it. "Because it's cheaper" is not a valid or exceptional reason for either a pupil or teacher to go on holiday in term time.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wonder if teachers post on forums going i cant believe that little shit has gone on holiday and missing vital education?
Ive also waited the day for a parent to seem a bit discruntled that a teacher has decided to say well fuck you kids if yourcparents arent bothered about you missing education by taking you out for holidays then i dont care about taking a week off.
Because lets remember teaching begins with parents 1st we only hand the batton over when they reach 4. In my opinion you can tell by then if parents have been active and teaching children in the right manor.
Think you've missed a valid point here. Parents get fined. Do teachers? That is double standards, that is the point that matters to us."
Yeah i got a bit annoyed at the teacher bashing.
But i assume the teacher has given plenty of notice, its a valid reason. Which i expect parents would do. I assume the ones who get fines would be the ones who book last minute, might not even tell the school there going on holiday abd then school finds out. As if your child has had a good attendance and school is informed with in ample time then i dont see why a fine is worthy.
I think the fines are aimed at the last minute family as its cheap and that is not a valid reason.
Now the bigger thing here is for the goverment to crack down on holiday companies charging more than double for holidays when kids are off then when they are at school! There would then nit be the need to take kids out of school for holidays because its cheap! |
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"Purely playing devil’s advocate; if a teacher misses some days off school doesn’t a supply teacher pick up on the sessions they’ve missed, whereas it’s not so simple the other way around?"
Yes they do or another teacher at the school covers the classes. If a child goes on holiday they don't normally take their text books with them. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Sounds like teachers don't get fined but they don't get paid either, so they do suffer a penalty for taking a holiday in term time.
Chances are there is a valid reason why they had to take leave this week and it was granted, same for children if there is a valid reason for them to be absent from school then the headteacher will grant it. "Because it's cheaper" is not a valid or exceptional reason for either a pupil or teacher to go on holiday in term time.
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I'd have thought it pretty obvious that school's would only grant leave to a teacher during term time in pretty exceptional circumstances. If you think that this is unfair and there should be no exceptions (despite exceptions being made for pupils) then maybe voice your concerns to the headteacher? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I wonder if teachers post on forums going i cant believe that little shit has gone on holiday and missing vital education?
Ive also waited the day for a parent to seem a bit discruntled that a teacher has decided to say well fuck you kids if yourcparents arent bothered about you missing education by taking you out for holidays then i dont care about taking a week off.
Because lets remember teaching begins with parents 1st we only hand the batton over when they reach 4. In my opinion you can tell by then if parents have been active and teaching children in the right manor.
Think you've missed a valid point here. Parents get fined. Do teachers? That is double standards, that is the point that matters to us.
Yeah i got a bit annoyed at the teacher bashing.
But i assume the teacher has given plenty of notice, its a valid reason. Which i expect parents would do. I assume the ones who get fines would be the ones who book last minute, might not even tell the school there going on holiday abd then school finds out. As if your child has had a good attendance and school is informed with in ample time then i dont see why a fine is worthy.
I think the fines are aimed at the last minute family as its cheap and that is not a valid reason.
Now the bigger thing here is for the goverment to crack down on holiday companies charging more than double for holidays when kids are off then when they are at school! There would then nit be the need to take kids out of school for holidays because its cheap!"
We weren't teacher bashing. We are on about the fact parents get fined by the government.
We have great respect for teachers, my Uncle was a head teacher so we know the pressures they face and appreciate its not an easy career. it's certainly not a job I could do. |
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"Not sure what the rules are these days but it still appears to be frowned upon by some people and schools if children are taken out of school during term time to go on holiday.
So what about when teachers take time off for a holiday during school term time?
Should this be allowed?"
Will the teachers be missing out on their education? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'd have thought it pretty obvious that school's would only grant leave to a teacher during term time in pretty exceptional circumstances. If you think that this is unfair and there should be no exceptions (despite exceptions being made for pupils) then maybe voice your concerns to the headteacher? "
Surely then pupils should then also be allowed time off for exceptional circumstances without repercussions. |
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"I'd have thought it pretty obvious that school's would only grant leave to a teacher during term time in pretty exceptional circumstances. If you think that this is unfair and there should be no exceptions (despite exceptions being made for pupils) then maybe voice your concerns to the headteacher?
Surely then pupils should then also be allowed time off for exceptional circumstances without repercussions."
Yes. But a holiday is not an exceptional circumstance. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'd have thought it pretty obvious that school's would only grant leave to a teacher during term time in pretty exceptional circumstances. If you think that this is unfair and there should be no exceptions (despite exceptions being made for pupils) then maybe voice your concerns to the headteacher?
Surely then pupils should then also be allowed time off for exceptional circumstances without repercussions.
Yes. But a holiday is not an exceptional circumstance."
We totally agree, unless the time that parents can only go on holiday is in term time. Then surely family quality time together comes above a few days missed education. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'd have thought it pretty obvious that school's would only grant leave to a teacher during term time in pretty exceptional circumstances. If you think that this is unfair and there should be no exceptions (despite exceptions being made for pupils) then maybe voice your concerns to the headteacher? "
We very obviously think that parents being fined is the unfair part. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"I'd have thought it pretty obvious that school's would only grant leave to a teacher during term time in pretty exceptional circumstances. If you think that this is unfair and there should be no exceptions (despite exceptions being made for pupils) then maybe voice your concerns to the headteacher?
Surely then pupils should then also be allowed time off for exceptional circumstances without repercussions.
Yes. But a holiday is not an exceptional circumstance.
We totally agree, unless the time that parents can only go on holiday is in term time. Then surely family quality time together comes above a few days missed education."
The guy that thought the same as this took it through 3 courts last year and got a 12 month suspended sentence with costs. It is likely the teacher is on holiday for reasons other than stated as jaunting off on their jollies when there's a national shortage wouldn't easily be excused I'd think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wonder if teachers post on forums going i cant believe that little shit has gone on holiday and missing vital education?
Ive also waited the day for a parent to seem a bit discruntled that a teacher has decided to say well fuck you kids if yourcparents arent bothered about you missing education by taking you out for holidays then i dont care about taking a week off.
Because lets remember teaching begins with parents 1st we only hand the batton over when they reach 4. In my opinion you can tell by then if parents have been active and teaching children in the right manor.
Think you've missed a valid point here. Parents get fined. Do teachers? That is double standards, that is the point that matters to us.
Yeah i got a bit annoyed at the teacher bashing.
But i assume the teacher has given plenty of notice, its a valid reason. Which i expect parents would do. I assume the ones who get fines would be the ones who book last minute, might not even tell the school there going on holiday abd then school finds out. As if your child has had a good attendance and school is informed with in ample time then i dont see why a fine is worthy.
I think the fines are aimed at the last minute family as its cheap and that is not a valid reason.
Now the bigger thing here is for the goverment to crack down on holiday companies charging more than double for holidays when kids are off then when they are at school! There would then nit be the need to take kids out of school for holidays because its cheap!
We weren't teacher bashing. We are on about the fact parents get fined by the government.
We have great respect for teachers, my Uncle was a head teacher so we know the pressures they face and appreciate its not an easy career. it's certainly not a job I could do."
So do you know how much kids fall behind by having a few days off for holiday? They miss loads. I know this as my ex was a teacher and alot of friends are teachers. Until parents understand, there is always going to be a issue. Because lets be honest you are not going to go to school and say we will take work with us to do so they dont fall behind.
I would be interested if there are forums out there for teachers to moan about families going on hoilday in term time. I doubt there is as they get on with the job. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'd have thought it pretty obvious that school's would only grant leave to a teacher during term time in pretty exceptional circumstances. If you think that this is unfair and there should be no exceptions (despite exceptions being made for pupils) then maybe voice your concerns to the headteacher?
Surely then pupils should then also be allowed time off for exceptional circumstances without repercussions.
Yes. But a holiday is not an exceptional circumstance.
We totally agree, unless the time that parents can only go on holiday is in term time. Then surely family quality time together comes above a few days missed education.
The guy that thought the same as this took it through 3 courts last year and got a 12 month suspended sentence with costs. It is likely the teacher is on holiday for reasons other than stated as jaunting off on their jollies when there's a national shortage wouldn't easily be excused I'd think. "
Exactly, a suspended sentence, why? The works has gone totally mad.
The teacher in question has in fact most definetly gone on a holiday. That is not in dispute.
It's the fact parents get fined that we struggle to comprehend. That's all.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I wonder if teachers post on forums going i cant believe that little shit has gone on holiday and missing vital education?
Ive also waited the day for a parent to seem a bit discruntled that a teacher has decided to say well fuck you kids if yourcparents arent bothered about you missing education by taking you out for holidays then i dont care about taking a week off.
Because lets remember teaching begins with parents 1st we only hand the batton over when they reach 4. In my opinion you can tell by then if parents have been active and teaching children in the right manor.
Think you've missed a valid point here. Parents get fined. Do teachers? That is double standards, that is the point that matters to us.
Yeah i got a bit annoyed at the teacher bashing.
But i assume the teacher has given plenty of notice, its a valid reason. Which i expect parents would do. I assume the ones who get fines would be the ones who book last minute, might not even tell the school there going on holiday abd then school finds out. As if your child has had a good attendance and school is informed with in ample time then i dont see why a fine is worthy.
I think the fines are aimed at the last minute family as its cheap and that is not a valid reason.
Now the bigger thing here is for the goverment to crack down on holiday companies charging more than double for holidays when kids are off then when they are at school! There would then nit be the need to take kids out of school for holidays because its cheap!
We weren't teacher bashing. We are on about the fact parents get fined by the government.
We have great respect for teachers, my Uncle was a head teacher so we know the pressures they face and appreciate its not an easy career. it's certainly not a job I could do.
So do you know how much kids fall behind by having a few days off for holiday? They miss loads. I know this as my ex was a teacher and alot of friends are teachers. Until parents understand, there is always going to be a issue. Because lets be honest you are not going to go to school and say we will take work with us to do so they dont fall behind.
I would be interested if there are forums out there for teachers to moan about families going on hoilday in term time. I doubt there is as they get on with the job. "
In our personal experience, primary school children most certainly do not miss out on a lot of education just for a few days. Our children are thriving in their education.
Obviously we appreciate some children may suffer.
However the issue is the fining of parents. Not sure how many more times we can make it clear that this is the point we feel is unfair. |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"I'd have thought it pretty obvious that school's would only grant leave to a teacher during term time in pretty exceptional circumstances. If you think that this is unfair and there should be no exceptions (despite exceptions being made for pupils) then maybe voice your concerns to the headteacher?
Surely then pupils should then also be allowed time off for exceptional circumstances without repercussions.
Yes. But a holiday is not an exceptional circumstance.
We totally agree, unless the time that parents can only go on holiday is in term time. Then surely family quality time together comes above a few days missed education.
The guy that thought the same as this took it through 3 courts last year and got a 12 month suspended sentence with costs. It is likely the teacher is on holiday for reasons other than stated as jaunting off on their jollies when there's a national shortage wouldn't easily be excused I'd think.
Exactly, a suspended sentence, why? The works has gone totally mad.
The teacher in question has in fact most definetly gone on a holiday. That is not in dispute.
It's the fact parents get fined that we struggle to comprehend. That's all.
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Why? First time, low-level offence, no injured parties, children to consider, no previous convictions, good character otherwise. It's hardly a mad decision if judgement and judgement goes against him he decides to take it further up the legal system? It just proves the point more. It's not a mad system to stay in school as leading up to and after the Christmas period is usually when exam preparation is taking place. |
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"I'd have thought it pretty obvious that school's would only grant leave to a teacher during term time in pretty exceptional circumstances. If you think that this is unfair and there should be no exceptions (despite exceptions being made for pupils) then maybe voice your concerns to the headteacher?
Surely then pupils should then also be allowed time off for exceptional circumstances without repercussions.
Yes. But a holiday is not an exceptional circumstance.
We totally agree, unless the time that parents can only go on holiday is in term time. Then surely family quality time together comes above a few days missed education.
The guy that thought the same as this took it through 3 courts last year and got a 12 month suspended sentence with costs. It is likely the teacher is on holiday for reasons other than stated as jaunting off on their jollies when there's a national shortage wouldn't easily be excused I'd think.
Exactly, a suspended sentence, why? The works has gone totally mad.
The teacher in question has in fact most definetly gone on a holiday. That is not in dispute.
It's the fact parents get fined that we struggle to comprehend. That's all.
Why? First time, low-level offence, no injured parties, children to consider, no previous convictions, good character otherwise. It's hardly a mad decision if judgement and judgement goes against him he decides to take it further up the legal system? It just proves the point more. It's not a mad system to stay in school as leading up to and after the Christmas period is usually when exam preparation is taking place. "
My kids school have been doing practises for Christmas shows, nativity shoes, carol services etc etc. Definetly not exam preparation. This week those shows are all taking place. |
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By *oodmessMan
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"I'd have thought it pretty obvious that school's would only grant leave to a teacher during term time in pretty exceptional circumstances. If you think that this is unfair and there should be no exceptions (despite exceptions being made for pupils) then maybe voice your concerns to the headteacher?
Surely then pupils should then also be allowed time off for exceptional circumstances without repercussions.
Yes. But a holiday is not an exceptional circumstance.
We totally agree, unless the time that parents can only go on holiday is in term time. Then surely family quality time together comes above a few days missed education.
The guy that thought the same as this took it through 3 courts last year and got a 12 month suspended sentence with costs. It is likely the teacher is on holiday for reasons other than stated as jaunting off on their jollies when there's a national shortage wouldn't easily be excused I'd think.
Exactly, a suspended sentence, why? The works has gone totally mad.
The teacher in question has in fact most definetly gone on a holiday. That is not in dispute.
It's the fact parents get fined that we struggle to comprehend. That's all.
Why? First time, low-level offence, no injured parties, children to consider, no previous convictions, good character otherwise. It's hardly a mad decision if judgement and judgement goes against him he decides to take it further up the legal system? It just proves the point more. It's not a mad system to stay in school as leading up to and after the Christmas period is usually when exam preparation is taking place.
My kids school have been doing practises for Christmas shows, nativity shoes, carol services etc etc. Definetly not exam preparation. This week those shows are all taking place. "
I didn't know Drama was still on the curriculum |
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Okay if parents shouldn;t be fined, how should schools deal with this? Or are you saying parents should be free to pick and choose when they take their children out of school regardless of what negative impact that has on their children's education and the problems it potentialy causes for their classmates? |
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"I'd have thought it pretty obvious that school's would only grant leave to a teacher during term time in pretty exceptional circumstances. If you think that this is unfair and there should be no exceptions (despite exceptions being made for pupils) then maybe voice your concerns to the headteacher?
Surely then pupils should then also be allowed time off for exceptional circumstances without repercussions.
Yes. But a holiday is not an exceptional circumstance.
We totally agree, unless the time that parents can only go on holiday is in term time. Then surely family quality time together comes above a few days missed education.
The guy that thought the same as this took it through 3 courts last year and got a 12 month suspended sentence with costs. It is likely the teacher is on holiday for reasons other than stated as jaunting off on their jollies when there's a national shortage wouldn't easily be excused I'd think.
Exactly, a suspended sentence, why? The works has gone totally mad.
The teacher in question has in fact most definetly gone on a holiday. That is not in dispute.
It's the fact parents get fined that we struggle to comprehend. That's all.
Why? First time, low-level offence, no injured parties, children to consider, no previous convictions, good character otherwise. It's hardly a mad decision if judgement and judgement goes against him he decides to take it further up the legal system? It just proves the point more. It's not a mad system to stay in school as leading up to and after the Christmas period is usually when exam preparation is taking place.
My kids school have been doing practises for Christmas shows, nativity shoes, carol services etc etc. Definetly not exam preparation. This week those shows are all taking place.
I didn't know Drama was still on the curriculum "
Oooooohhhhhh yes it is |
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"Okay if parents shouldn;t be fined, how should schools deal with this? Or are you saying parents should be free to pick and choose when they take their children out of school regardless of what negative impact that has on their children's education and the problems it potentialy causes for their classmates?"
We obviously don't have any idea do we and we wouldn't like the role of finding a fair alternative. All we do know is the current system is totally unfair and unjustified on many parents. Parents surely have a right to take their children on holiday when they wish to, after all they are their children. Yes, unarguably education is important, but other aspects of life are too, eg children spending quality time with their parents.
Life is not all about getting high exam results and we pity any parents who puts their child under the pressures of bring made to feel that education become first and foremost above everything else in life.
We think we have said our points of view on this subject clearly enough now, so enjoy the thread the rest of you guys.
We are off to do yet more Christmas wrapping, coincidentally wrapping presents for our children's teachers  |
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Teacher I know very well has to have exceptional circumstances in order to have time off during term time.
I don’t think a term time holiday is going to be exceptional in most circumstances. I don’t agree with the fine but it’s there. I can remember being taken out of School for holidays during a simpler time and it didn’t do me any harm.
Teachers also didn’t set this rule so who would be held to the double standard though? |
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The fine is there as a deterrent. If that deterrent didn't exist, then kids will be missing all sorts of time.
The difference in well attended students grades and poorly attended students grades is massive.
Believe it or not, a school and its teachers want their students to succeed, true that's for self-preservation reasons and not just altruism, but the school is not just there for a jolly, getting as many days off for teachers as possible and making money by fining people. |
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By *ornCouple
over a year ago
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It used to be that the head teacher could use discretion as to whether a parent could take a child out during term time. Then the Govt decided to make it mandatory that they couldn't without getting a fine. Most Heads would much prefer it the old way |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Been working so just came back on to see what occured.
Iv been thinking it over and i believe that rather have a moan on a sex site forum maybe a letter or email sent to the government enquiring why holidays are not cheaper in holiday time, would of been a better use of your morning. Or even start a petition to get the govt to lower holidays. As you have had the time to vent on here at something that seems to of touched a nerve with yourselves. |
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"Been working so just came back on to see what occured.
Iv been thinking it over and i believe that rather have a moan on a sex site forum maybe a letter or email sent to the government enquiring why holidays are not cheaper in holiday time, would of been a better use of your morning. Or even start a petition to get the govt to lower holidays. As you have had the time to vent on here at something that seems to of touched a nerve with yourselves."
I don't think the government really have the ability or pow to push holiday companies to lower the price of holidays during school holidays, it's a global market led by supply and demand and quite simple economics. All the government could do is allow schools to manage the holidays differently, but this probably wouldn't suit parents either especially those that have children in different schools or even counties. Additionally I think if schools spread the holidays out then the cost of holidays would increase all year round.
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