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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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From the Telegraph ..
There is a longstanding and proud tradition in British panto of double entendres and jokes which stray a bit close to the bone.
After all, with girls disguised as boys and men dressing up as ugly sisters, a touch of blue is never far away.
But one panto may have gone just that bit too far, after it sprinkled its script with forthright references to the human anatomy and what can only be referred to as adult humour.
Parents have now called for the "lewd and offensive" pantomime staged at Manchester Opera House, and starring the Krankies and the former Doctor Who star John Barrowman, to be scrapped.
One mother has even submitted an official complaint about the production of Dick Whittington, saying it was "too smutty" for children.
Natalie Wood said that during the show Barrowman fondled co-star Janette Krankie's breasts, and also invited audience members to chant "Alice loves Dick".
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/14/parents-complain-lewd-jokes-ruin-family-panto-outing/
Haven’t smutty jokes ALWAYS been part of the Panto tradition?
Is this PC gone mad!?
Do the parents have a point?
Are we just a snowflake generation now?
I don’t know the answers, but I’m sure you all do ... |
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By *ancduoCouple
over a year ago
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There were always innuendos in pantos so it made the show for adults as well as children. Maybe over the years they have taken it too far. But I do think people take things to far now. We are a nation of complainers. But some things are getting stupid. Can’t sneeze without someone reporting it. |
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The art of a good panto is one where the adults 'get' the innuendoes and saucy remarks, but they're well enough disguised to sail over the heads of smaller kids. Having just read that article it does sound as if the production was more explicit in that respect than most parents would usually expect a panto to be ... I wouldn't be happy if its script and actions prompted a heap of questions from any young children with me to be honest. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The art of a good panto is one where the adults 'get' the innuendoes and saucy remarks, but they're well enough disguised to sail over the heads of smaller kids. Having just read that article it does sound as if the production was more explicit in that respect than most parents would usually expect a panto to be ... I wouldn't be happy if its script and actions prompted a heap of questions from any young children with me to be honest. "
Your right. The art of making anyone laugh is Knowing your audience, and even more so in panto. The age group is obvious.
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"The art of a good panto is one where the adults 'get' the innuendoes and saucy remarks, but they're well enough disguised to sail over the heads of smaller kids. Having just read that article it does sound as if the production was more explicit in that respect than most parents would usually expect a panto to be ... I wouldn't be happy if its script and actions prompted a heap of questions from any young children with me to be honest. "
This 
I’d also add there are plenty of well known kids tv shows that slip the odd joke or two in that only adults would get.
And I particular love it when adults and children can laugh at the same joke but for very different reasons. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It has John Barrowman in, it was never going to be straightlaced. That man is innuendo queen.
Geeky x "
I never knew that. You might as well have rocked up to a panto with Julian Clary, and then been surprised afterwards. 
Some people.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The art has or is being lost in my opinion as we push the boundaries of what is acceptable and expected in society today. I see our individual rights are tipping the balance against what best for societies rights. PC seems to be the only universally accepted tool to hold or stem back this flow. Religion, politics, race, culture to name a few are used but not universally acceted for that anymore as the seem to cause more division than galvanising in a society that moves further towards the individuals needs, wants and desires.
When I saw the first advertising of Cat in the hat by Dr Susse i thought brilliant as I loved these children's books, but when i say the the clips i was taken back at how the director felt they had to bastardise what was a brilliantly fantastic piece of funny, imaginative literature for young children and adults with creative minds into something it never was intended...with inapropriate innuendos. My innitial feeling was and still is that those who produced it weren't clever enough and so had to resort to innuendo material to draw an adult audience.
There's a place for adult material and I don't think its where there are kids primarily being targeted. Its easy cheap humour and in my opinion very very few are actually clever about the use of it. Its an art that's been lost as the wrong audience is being targeted. |
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I’d also add there are plenty of well known kids tv shows that slip the odd joke or two in that only adults would get.
And I particular love it when adults and children can laugh at the same joke but for very different reasons."
I love it when I can slip one in   |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wonder what a politically correct panto would be like  "
Dull as ditchwater.....
If the kids “get” the jokes...then they are already “corrupted” ...if they don’t then that’s great. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think its just the same as everything else that the line that you don't cross gets further and further away with what's acceptable. Some of the jokes I heard in the panto I went to last year would never have been allowed 10 years ago x |
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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago
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"It has John Barrowman in, it was never going to be straightlaced. That man is innuendo queen.
Geeky x "
I have a thing for John Barrowman 
Even that wouldn't be enough to make me go to a panto though.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Is this PC gone mad!?
There's nothing some people won't try and make about 'PC', is there.
Complaining about innuendo is nothing at all to do with political correctness. "
Calm your horses fella! 
It was just a light hearted quip! |
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By *emini ManMan
over a year ago
There and to the left a bit |
There's a world of difference between subtle innuendo/double entendres and overt sexual references - and having read the article the OP refers to, it seems it was the latter that caused offence - including Wee Jimmy Krankie poking "her finger out of her trousers, emulating a penis." and John Barrowman fondling her breasts - neither of which I'd want my teenage daughter seeing let alone younger kids.
So nothing at all to do with PC gone mad - I love the panto and the "two level" jokes that go over kids heads - but when it's in your face like it sounds it was, it's gone too far in my opinion. |
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The "it's gone 12 and still no Dick" is fine, as others have said - the adults realise, and it goes over the kids' heads. That's part of a panto. Sometimes only the kids laugh, sometimes only the adults, mostly both - achieve that and it's successful.
Unless it is advertised as an adult only pantomime - and it is not in this instance, then groping, and poking fingers out of trousers like that is too much.
The director should have stopped that in rehearsals, whether it was written in or an ad lib, it should have been stopped immediately. If it was ad libbed at the 1st performance, it should have been stopped.
It has already created negative publicity and that is a disaster. There are so many pantomimes in the Greater Manchester/Lancashire area, that you cannot afford a disaster like that.
They had no need to do it. It just needs to be a great panto, in the typical tradition. It will then get a great review by the local paper, and people will go along.
The overwhelming majority of panto goers are families. Parents and kids. Not people who go to see a comedian. To fill the house, they need to remember that. |
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Is this PC gone mad!?
There's nothing some people won't try and make about 'PC', is there.
Complaining about innuendo is nothing at all to do with political correctness.
Calm your horses fella!
It was just a light hearted quip! "
Hard to tell when it's exactly the kind of thing people say on here on a regular basis... |
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Is this PC gone mad!?
There's nothing some people won't try and make about 'PC', is there.
Complaining about innuendo is nothing at all to do with political correctness.
Calm your horses fella!
It was just a light hearted quip!
Hard to tell when it's exactly the kind of thing people say on here on a regular basis..."
But those people wouldn't say in public, in front of a live family audience what they say on here!
This place exists because of that in part! |
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If a kid can figure out the joke is sexual then its completely 100% wrong.
If you said it in a room alone to a 10 year old would it be okay? If I had my finger sticking out of my trousers with your child would you be okay with it if I said "it's just a joke".
You'd be within your rights to call the cops. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"There's a world of difference between subtle innuendo/double entendres and overt sexual references - and having read the article the OP refers to, it seems it was the latter that caused offence - including Wee Jimmy Krankie poking "her finger out of her trousers, emulating a penis." and John Barrowman fondling her breasts - neither of which I'd want my teenage daughter seeing let alone younger kids.
So nothing at all to do with PC gone mad - I love the panto and the "two level" jokes that go over kids heads - but when it's in your face like it sounds it was, it's gone too far in my opinion."
pretty much my views summed up in one post, good work! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There's a world of difference between subtle innuendo/double entendres and overt sexual references - and having read the article the OP refers to, it seems it was the latter that caused offence - including Wee Jimmy Krankie poking "her finger out of her trousers, emulating a penis." and John Barrowman fondling her breasts - neither of which I'd want my teenage daughter seeing let alone younger kids.
So nothing at all to do with PC gone mad - I love the panto and the "two level" jokes that go over kids heads - but when it's in your face like it sounds it was, it's gone too far in my opinion."
Very much this!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The art of a good panto is one where the adults 'get' the innuendoes and saucy remarks, but they're well enough disguised to sail over the heads of smaller kids. Having just read that article it does sound as if the production was more explicit in that respect than most parents would usually expect a panto to be ... I wouldn't be happy if its script and actions prompted a heap of questions from any young children with me to be honest. "
Hear, hear |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It has John Barrowman in, it was never going to be straightlaced. That man is innuendo queen.
Geeky x
I have a thing for John Barrowman
Even that wouldn't be enough to make me go to a panto though.
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Once upon a time....I was d*unk and went full pantomime....
It's an innuendo in itself. |
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