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I have to admit to feeling a bit envious of the beautiful young women at work as the older I get the more invisible I become.
I'm not into too much fakery - eyelashes, tons of makeup etc...
I don't think it disguises your age at all.
I think men become much more attractive with age personality wise too.
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"I think women can hide ageing easier than men. We can dye our hair, I'll admit to a few highlights to blend in the glitter strands. Botox & fillers for the wrinkles, I've not resorted to that. We can hide behind make up, and great underwear can totaly transform a figure when things start to get squishy. Only downside is the looming threat of menapause, they've not developed a full cure for that yet. " Not even a semi cure . If there is anything else out there besides helping ease symptoms of the (peri)menopause, i want to know about it. | |||
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"Ladies I wouldn't deem any of you to be old and you all look fantastic. So there. "At half a century (today  ), I'm old | |||
"I think women can hide ageing easier than men. We can dye our hair, I'll admit to a few highlights to blend in the glitter strands. Botox & fillers for the wrinkles, I've not resorted to that. We can hide behind make up, and great underwear can totaly transform a figure when things start to get squishy. Only downside is the looming threat of menapause, they've not developed a full cure for that yet. Not even a semi cure . If there is anything else out there besides helping ease symptoms of the (peri)menopause, i want to know about it. "Apparently yoni egg vaginal training can put menopause off, I'm starting my daily training in Jan and I guess I'll see what happens lol | |||
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"I think women can hide ageing easier than men. We can dye our hair, I'll admit to a few highlights to blend in the glitter strands. Botox & fillers for the wrinkles, I've not resorted to that. We can hide behind make up, and great underwear can totaly transform a figure when things start to get squishy. Only downside is the looming threat of menapause, they've not developed a full cure for that yet. Not even a semi cure . If there is anything else out there besides helping ease symptoms of the (peri)menopause, i want to know about it. "Me too! | |||
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"I think it's probably equally hard for both sexes,but women maybe a bit more so as we have the menopause and that can be a bitch! Already starting to feel like I'm drying up,libido not hugely there,period's more frequent,emotions all over the place and all the other countless annoying symptoms. So yeah I'll go with women." can I go with women to  | |||
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"Ladies I wouldn't deem any of you to be old and you all look fantastic. So there.
At half a century (today ), I'm old "Well many happy returns of the day to you! I looked - | |||
"I think it's probably equally hard for both sexes,but women maybe a bit more so as we have the menopause and that can be a bitch! Already starting to feel like I'm drying up,libido not hugely there,period's more frequent,emotions all over the place and all the other countless annoying symptoms. So yeah I'll go with women.can I go with women to "You may | |||
"I think women can hide ageing easier than men. We can dye our hair, I'll admit to a few highlights to blend in the glitter strands. Botox & fillers for the wrinkles, I've not resorted to that. We can hide behind make up, and great underwear can totaly transform a figure when things start to get squishy. Only downside is the looming threat of menapause, they've not developed a full cure for that yet. Not even a semi cure . If there is anything else out there besides helping ease symptoms of the (peri)menopause, i want to know about it.
Apparently yoni egg vaginal training can put menopause off, I'm starting my daily training in Jan and I guess I'll see what happens lol"Do you know how? Where's the research? I cannot see how it can stop oestrogen depletion. | |||
"I think it's probably equally hard for both sexes,but women maybe a bit more so as we have the menopause and that can be a bitch! Already starting to feel like I'm drying up,libido not hugely there,period's more frequent,emotions all over the place and all the other countless annoying symptoms. So yeah I'll go with women.can I go with women to
You may"ooooooo thank you xxx hey you're looks certainly don't appear to be suffering | |||
"Ladies I wouldn't deem any of you to be old and you all look fantastic. So there.
At half a century (today ), I'm old
Well many happy returns of the day to you! I looked - " thank you  | |||
"It’s all in the jeans (sic)! and of course the way you treat your body. Excessive lifestyle brings about undue wear and tear. " Absolutely. We live in a time where poor lifestyle choices increase our chronological age. There was a good programme on this recently. | |||
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"Is it harder for men or women? I'm not talking about letting yourself go. I'm talking about the inevitably of aging. Obviously we all age differently and for some it maybe a rapid thing others very gradual. Yes we still dress good,groom ourselves eat healthily, exercise. But ultimately time catches up with us all. Personally I think it's harder for men, with hairloss greying and the inability to lose weight as easily as before. It's widely known that guy's still fancy women who are more"mature" but I doubt that there's many women who fancy guys who are balding have middle aged spread and remind them of their grandad. Women on the other hand have make up,hair extensions,false this and that giving them the ability to hide a multitude of things. That said things still Go south, wrinkles menopause .... So I expect the usual cliché response age is but a number, your as old as you want to be blah blah blah and all the other"I'm in denial" type responses.oh yeah don't forget the"well if people don't like me for who I am" yeah whatever we get it you don't give a shit. But there are plenty of people if they are honest do give a shit about what others think, hence the fake tan, eyelashes etc.. I think as a society we are judging people far earlier than previously where ageing is treated like a disease rather than natural progression. So to my original question is it harder for men or women? Women have the ability to do more about it but also have more pressure to look good all the time. Men don't have the ability to hide it as much but are probably judged less. Thoughts please, constructive, sarcastic or I don't give a crap it's your choice. " I think you’ve said it all in this post . Yes , women can hide it better , and yes , plenty of men can get away with it as the more mature man can have a look that’s admired . But here’s the thing , we do get wisdom and confidence as we grow older . With these we can ride most storms ( as some posters have clearly stated ) , but vulnerability and a lack of belief in the cloak we made to cover our insecurities will rear their head . It’s what we do and how we deal with this that matters . One thing is certain , being on a swinging site probably isn’t the place to be when they do . I think this is a post with a great deal of real thought provoking insight , and may make lots of us think carefully about what we are doing on here . Are we deluding ourselves that as there a few who find us attractive that it’s all good ? Or that in the real world we would never get the attention we get on here so it’s the best place to be ? I don’t know for sure , but it certainly seeems like it sometimes . And as the years pass , the older we get , the more of a comforting reality fab seems , because the true reality is something a wee bit too scary to face . | |||
" So to my original question is it harder for men or women? Women have the ability to do more about it but also have more pressure to look good all the time. Men don't have the ability to hide it as much but are probably judged less. Thoughts please, constructive, sarcastic or I don't give a crap it's your choice. " Interesting post OP. In short, I agree with your summary above. I think there is far more societal pressure upon women to 'keep' their looks (in other words, to remain 'youthful') than there is for men. This might be a bit of a sweeping generalisation but regardless of their achievements I think there's still an unfair interest in what a woman looks like and her personality, success etc., is all too often downplayed or disregarded if she doesn't live up to some stereotypical notion of what she 'should' look like. Look at the media furore surrounding the historian Mary Beard a couple of years ago - a woman of a 'certain age' who dares to put herself on prime time TV without wearing much, if any, make up and who doesn't dye her hair. *That* aspect of her was what was being reported on, and not the fact she's a highly intelligent Cambridge University professor, author, and so on. Ditto Brigitte Bardot who was regularly deemed in the media to have let herself go once she retired from acting, with repeated comparisons between how she looked in her 20s vs her 60s, as if she was somehow committing a great crime for deciding to age naturally and concentrate on things more important to her other than the time consuming chore of looking as young as possible for as long as she could. In contrast, while men aren't immune from being judged on their looks, this is far less common and when it happens (in my experience, what I hear, what I read and so on) it typically occurs with far less vitriol than that often afforded to women of a similar age. Criticism of male looks is more likely to be factual, whereas it's not uncommon to hear older women being referred to as 'dried up old hags' and the like. I'm not sure a parallel term exists for a man? I think male achievement - power, expertise, wealth and so on is still more likely to be acknowledged and applauded *regardless* of how the men concerned look ... I can think of several older men in the public eye who've fallen foul of the inevitable signs of ageing (and some who've arguably also let themselves go as well) who nonetheless remain popular and judged on who they are, rather than what they look like. I can think of far fewer equally talented women in the public eye who've not succumbed to trying to arrest and/or disguise the various signs they're getting older. Presumably they do this, not only for their own self esteem, but also because maintaining a certain 'standard' helps them to remain noticed and relevant in their field? 'Beauty' can be found in all ages and should NOT be synonymous with 'youthfulness'. It upsets me that so many refuse to consider beauty might exist in older/old people purely because of their age. As we all know it's in the eye of the beholder anyway but if someone's deemed 'beautiful' at one age, surely they are still usually beautiful ten years later, albeit with a few more lines ... just beautiful in a different way? | |||
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" So to my original question is it harder for men or women? Women have the ability to do more about it but also have more pressure to look good all the time. Men don't have the ability to hide it as much but are probably judged less. Thoughts please, constructive, sarcastic or I don't give a crap it's your choice. Interesting post OP. In short, I agree with your summary above. I think there is far more societal pressure upon women to 'keep' their looks (in other words, to remain 'youthful') than there is for men. This might be a bit of a sweeping generalisation but regardless of their achievements I think there's still an unfair interest in what a woman looks like and her personality, success etc., is all too often downplayed or disregarded if she doesn't live up to some stereotypical notion of what she 'should' look like. Look at the media furore surrounding the historian Mary Beard a couple of years ago - a woman of a 'certain age' who dares to put herself on prime time TV without wearing much, if any, make up and who doesn't dye her hair. *That* aspect of her was what was being reported on, and not the fact she's a highly intelligent Cambridge University professor, author, and so on. Ditto Brigitte Bardot who was regularly deemed in the media to have let herself go once she retired from acting, with repeated comparisons between how she looked in her 20s vs her 60s, as if she was somehow committing a great crime for deciding to age naturally and concentrate on things more important to her other than the time consuming chore of looking as young as possible for as long as she could. In contrast, while men aren't immune from being judged on their looks, this is far less common and when it happens (in my experience, what I hear, what I read and so on) it typically occurs with far less vitriol than that often afforded to women of a similar age. Criticism of male looks is more likely to be factual, whereas it's not uncommon to hear older women being referred to as 'dried up old hags' and the like. I'm not sure a parallel term exists for a man? I think male achievement - power, expertise, wealth and so on is still more likely to be acknowledged and applauded *regardless* of how the men concerned look ... I can think of several older men in the public eye who've fallen foul of the inevitable signs of ageing (and some who've arguably also let themselves go as well) who nonetheless remain popular and judged on who they are, rather than what they look like. I can think of far fewer equally talented women in the public eye who've not succumbed to trying to arrest and/or disguise the various signs they're getting older. Presumably they do this, not only for their own self esteem, but also because maintaining a certain 'standard' helps them to remain noticed and relevant in their field? 'Beauty' can be found in all ages and should NOT be synonymous with 'youthfulness'. It upsets me that so many refuse to consider beauty might exist in older/old people purely because of their age. As we all know it's in the eye of the beholder anyway but if someone's deemed 'beautiful' at one age, surely they are still usually beautiful ten years later, albeit with a few more lines ... just beautiful in a different way? " Yes,I think women have it harder because men are more visually stimulated and so less forgiving of the signs of ageing. | |||
" So to my original question is it harder for men or women? Women have the ability to do more about it but also have more pressure to look good all the time. Men don't have the ability to hide it as much but are probably judged less. Thoughts please, constructive, sarcastic or I don't give a crap it's your choice. Interesting post OP. In short, I agree with your summary above. I think there is far more societal pressure upon women to 'keep' their looks (in other words, to remain 'youthful') than there is for men. This might be a bit of a sweeping generalisation but regardless of their achievements I think there's still an unfair interest in what a woman looks like and her personality, success etc., is all too often downplayed or disregarded if she doesn't live up to some stereotypical notion of what she 'should' look like. Look at the media furore surrounding the historian Mary Beard a couple of years ago - a woman of a 'certain age' who dares to put herself on prime time TV without wearing much, if any, make up and who doesn't dye her hair. *That* aspect of her was what was being reported on, and not the fact she's a highly intelligent Cambridge University professor, author, and so on. Ditto Brigitte Bardot who was regularly deemed in the media to have let herself go once she retired from acting, with repeated comparisons between how she looked in her 20s vs her 60s, as if she was somehow committing a great crime for deciding to age naturally and concentrate on things more important to her other than the time consuming chore of looking as young as possible for as long as she could. In contrast, while men aren't immune from being judged on their looks, this is far less common and when it happens (in my experience, what I hear, what I read and so on) it typically occurs with far less vitriol than that often afforded to women of a similar age. Criticism of male looks is more likely to be factual, whereas it's not uncommon to hear older women being referred to as 'dried up old hags' and the like. I'm not sure a parallel term exists for a man? I think male achievement - power, expertise, wealth and so on is still more likely to be acknowledged and applauded *regardless* of how the men concerned look ... I can think of several older men in the public eye who've fallen foul of the inevitable signs of ageing (and some who've arguably also let themselves go as well) who nonetheless remain popular and judged on who they are, rather than what they look like. I can think of far fewer equally talented women in the public eye who've not succumbed to trying to arrest and/or disguise the various signs they're getting older. Presumably they do this, not only for their own self esteem, but also because maintaining a certain 'standard' helps them to remain noticed and relevant in their field? 'Beauty' can be found in all ages and should NOT be synonymous with 'youthfulness'. It upsets me that so many refuse to consider beauty might exist in older/old people purely because of their age. As we all know it's in the eye of the beholder anyway but if someone's deemed 'beautiful' at one age, surely they are still usually beautiful ten years later, albeit with a few more lines ... just beautiful in a different way? Yes,I think women have it harder because men are more visually stimulated and so less forgiving of the signs of ageing. " From my experiences I have found women to be harsher on other women than men on women. When we go out to clubs or other places,jools seems far more concerned about what other women will think about her than men. But that's a whole other discussion. Thanks for all your replies so far lots of interesting view points. | |||
" So to my original question is it harder for men or women? Women have the ability to do more about it but also have more pressure to look good all the time. Men don't have the ability to hide it as much but are probably judged less. Thoughts please, constructive, sarcastic or I don't give a crap it's your choice. Interesting post OP. In short, I agree with your summary above. I think there is far more societal pressure upon women to 'keep' their looks (in other words, to remain 'youthful') than there is for men. This might be a bit of a sweeping generalisation but regardless of their achievements I think there's still an unfair interest in what a woman looks like and her personality, success etc., is all too often downplayed or disregarded if she doesn't live up to some stereotypical notion of what she 'should' look like. Look at the media furore surrounding the historian Mary Beard a couple of years ago - a woman of a 'certain age' who dares to put herself on prime time TV without wearing much, if any, make up and who doesn't dye her hair. *That* aspect of her was what was being reported on, and not the fact she's a highly intelligent Cambridge University professor, author, and so on. Ditto Brigitte Bardot who was regularly deemed in the media to have let herself go once she retired from acting, with repeated comparisons between how she looked in her 20s vs her 60s, as if she was somehow committing a great crime for deciding to age naturally and concentrate on things more important to her other than the time consuming chore of looking as young as possible for as long as she could. In contrast, while men aren't immune from being judged on their looks, this is far less common and when it happens (in my experience, what I hear, what I read and so on) it typically occurs with far less vitriol than that often afforded to women of a similar age. Criticism of male looks is more likely to be factual, whereas it's not uncommon to hear older women being referred to as 'dried up old hags' and the like. I'm not sure a parallel term exists for a man? I think male achievement - power, expertise, wealth and so on is still more likely to be acknowledged and applauded *regardless* of how the men concerned look ... I can think of several older men in the public eye who've fallen foul of the inevitable signs of ageing (and some who've arguably also let themselves go as well) who nonetheless remain popular and judged on who they are, rather than what they look like. I can think of far fewer equally talented women in the public eye who've not succumbed to trying to arrest and/or disguise the various signs they're getting older. Presumably they do this, not only for their own self esteem, but also because maintaining a certain 'standard' helps them to remain noticed and relevant in their field? 'Beauty' can be found in all ages and should NOT be synonymous with 'youthfulness'. It upsets me that so many refuse to consider beauty might exist in older/old people purely because of their age. As we all know it's in the eye of the beholder anyway but if someone's deemed 'beautiful' at one age, surely they are still usually beautiful ten years later, albeit with a few more lines ... just beautiful in a different way? Yes,I think women have it harder because men are more visually stimulated and so less forgiving of the signs of ageing. " Except when it comes to themselves - old pics and declarations of "i haven't changed". Rubbish lots of changes can occur between 45-50, for example. | |||
" So to my original question is it harder for men or women? Women have the ability to do more about it but also have more pressure to look good all the time. Men don't have the ability to hide it as much but are probably judged less. Thoughts please, constructive, sarcastic or I don't give a crap it's your choice. Interesting post OP. In short, I agree with your summary above. I think there is far more societal pressure upon women to 'keep' their looks (in other words, to remain 'youthful') than there is for men. This might be a bit of a sweeping generalisation but regardless of their achievements I think there's still an unfair interest in what a woman looks like and her personality, success etc., is all too often downplayed or disregarded if she doesn't live up to some stereotypical notion of what she 'should' look like. Look at the media furore surrounding the historian Mary Beard a couple of years ago - a woman of a 'certain age' who dares to put herself on prime time TV without wearing much, if any, make up and who doesn't dye her hair. *That* aspect of her was what was being reported on, and not the fact she's a highly intelligent Cambridge University professor, author, and so on. Ditto Brigitte Bardot who was regularly deemed in the media to have let herself go once she retired from acting, with repeated comparisons between how she looked in her 20s vs her 60s, as if she was somehow committing a great crime for deciding to age naturally and concentrate on things more important to her other than the time consuming chore of looking as young as possible for as long as she could. In contrast, while men aren't immune from being judged on their looks, this is far less common and when it happens (in my experience, what I hear, what I read and so on) it typically occurs with far less vitriol than that often afforded to women of a similar age. Criticism of male looks is more likely to be factual, whereas it's not uncommon to hear older women being referred to as 'dried up old hags' and the like. I'm not sure a parallel term exists for a man? I think male achievement - power, expertise, wealth and so on is still more likely to be acknowledged and applauded *regardless* of how the men concerned look ... I can think of several older men in the public eye who've fallen foul of the inevitable signs of ageing (and some who've arguably also let themselves go as well) who nonetheless remain popular and judged on who they are, rather than what they look like. I can think of far fewer equally talented women in the public eye who've not succumbed to trying to arrest and/or disguise the various signs they're getting older. Presumably they do this, not only for their own self esteem, but also because maintaining a certain 'standard' helps them to remain noticed and relevant in their field? 'Beauty' can be found in all ages and should NOT be synonymous with 'youthfulness'. It upsets me that so many refuse to consider beauty might exist in older/old people purely because of their age. As we all know it's in the eye of the beholder anyway but if someone's deemed 'beautiful' at one age, surely they are still usually beautiful ten years later, albeit with a few more lines ... just beautiful in a different way? Yes,I think women have it harder because men are more visually stimulated and so less forgiving of the signs of ageing. Except when it comes to themselves - old pics and declarations of "i haven't changed". Rubbish lots of changes can occur between 45-50, for example." Just You wait for the after 50 ones lol! 
But I refuse to slow down, the body will just have to obey! ! | |||
" So to my original question is it harder for men or women? Women have the ability to do more about it but also have more pressure to look good all the time. Men don't have the ability to hide it as much but are probably judged less. Thoughts please, constructive, sarcastic or I don't give a crap it's your choice. Interesting post OP. In short, I agree with your summary above. I think there is far more societal pressure upon women to 'keep' their looks (in other words, to remain 'youthful') than there is for men. This might be a bit of a sweeping generalisation but regardless of their achievements I think there's still an unfair interest in what a woman looks like and her personality, success etc., is all too often downplayed or disregarded if she doesn't live up to some stereotypical notion of what she 'should' look like. Look at the media furore surrounding the historian Mary Beard a couple of years ago - a woman of a 'certain age' who dares to put herself on prime time TV without wearing much, if any, make up and who doesn't dye her hair. *That* aspect of her was what was being reported on, and not the fact she's a highly intelligent Cambridge University professor, author, and so on. Ditto Brigitte Bardot who was regularly deemed in the media to have let herself go once she retired from acting, with repeated comparisons between how she looked in her 20s vs her 60s, as if she was somehow committing a great crime for deciding to age naturally and concentrate on things more important to her other than the time consuming chore of looking as young as possible for as long as she could. In contrast, while men aren't immune from being judged on their looks, this is far less common and when it happens (in my experience, what I hear, what I read and so on) it typically occurs with far less vitriol than that often afforded to women of a similar age. Criticism of male looks is more likely to be factual, whereas it's not uncommon to hear older women being referred to as 'dried up old hags' and the like. I'm not sure a parallel term exists for a man? I think male achievement - power, expertise, wealth and so on is still more likely to be acknowledged and applauded *regardless* of how the men concerned look ... I can think of several older men in the public eye who've fallen foul of the inevitable signs of ageing (and some who've arguably also let themselves go as well) who nonetheless remain popular and judged on who they are, rather than what they look like. I can think of far fewer equally talented women in the public eye who've not succumbed to trying to arrest and/or disguise the various signs they're getting older. Presumably they do this, not only for their own self esteem, but also because maintaining a certain 'standard' helps them to remain noticed and relevant in their field? 'Beauty' can be found in all ages and should NOT be synonymous with 'youthfulness'. It upsets me that so many refuse to consider beauty might exist in older/old people purely because of their age. As we all know it's in the eye of the beholder anyway but if someone's deemed 'beautiful' at one age, surely they are still usually beautiful ten years later, albeit with a few more lines ... just beautiful in a different way? Yes,I think women have it harder because men are more visually stimulated and so less forgiving of the signs of ageing. From my experiences I have found women to be harsher on other women than men on women. When we go out to clubs or other places,jools seems far more concerned about what other women will think about her than men. But that's a whole other discussion. ." It's a whole other issue!!! 
But mature men on dating sites for instance are always after women 10 years younger, and only partly to boost their own flagging ego. | |||
" So to my original question is it harder for men or women? Yes,I think women have it harder because men are more visually stimulated and so less forgiving of the signs of ageing. Except when it comes to themselves - old pics and declarations of "i haven't changed". Rubbish lots of changes can occur between 45-50, for example. Just You wait for the after 50 ones lol!
But I refuse to slow down, the body will just have to obey! ! "I get them... But most lie, knocking off 5 or 10 years thinking that we won't be able to tell (probably cos they believe their own deception ). | |||
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And ageing is beyond my control but at least I'm no longer that fat guy I used to be...
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"I think women can hide ageing easier than men. We can dye our hair, I'll admit to a few highlights to blend in the glitter strands. Botox & fillers for the wrinkles, I've not resorted to that. We can hide behind make up, and great underwear can totaly transform a figure when things start to get squishy. Only downside is the looming threat of menapause, they've not developed a full cure for that yet. Not even a semi cure . If there is anything else out there besides helping ease symptoms of the (peri)menopause, i want to know about it.
Apparently yoni egg vaginal training can put menopause off, I'm starting my daily training in Jan and I guess I'll see what happens lol
Do you know how? Where's the research? I cannot see how it can stop oestrogen depletion."There's plenty of research online lovely... It basically tightens and rejuvenates all your internal organs, giving you more internal control than when you were a teenager... Look into Tatyana Kozhevnikova (she's the vaginal weight lifting champion of Europe atm) or Kim Anami as she has a channel on youtube if you want some fun info... It's all based on Tantra, which is applicable to men and women. I've been doing the breast massaging every day for 5mins since april and my boobs have changed, gotten firmer and the nipples point face forwards (they were a hot mess before I started imo)= if that works so miraculously it's all the evidence i need to start adding vaginal daily training into my health regimen lol x | |||
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"Beauty doesn’t fade the older a person gets. It’s not the domain of the young." "Youth is wasted on the young" = I find this so true, personally I didn't appreciate what I had when I was younger... didn't have any self awareness and was always unhappy with my physique... totally loving being older, getting fitter and gaining control over my body's abilities. | |||
"Beauty doesn’t fade the older a person gets. It’s not the domain of the young. "Youth is wasted on the young" = I find this so true, personally I didn't appreciate what I had when I was younger... didn't have any self awareness and was always unhappy with my physique... totally loving being older, getting fitter and gaining control over my body's abilities." I hear that! | |||
"I think women can hide ageing easier than men. We can dye our hair, I'll admit to a few highlights to blend in the glitter strands. Botox & fillers for the wrinkles, I've not resorted to that. We can hide behind make up, and great underwear can totaly transform a figure when things start to get squishy. Only downside is the looming threat of menapause, they've not developed a full cure for that yet. Not even a semi cure . If there is anything else out there besides helping ease symptoms of the (peri)menopause, i want to know about it.
Apparently yoni egg vaginal training can put menopause off, I'm starting my daily training in Jan and I guess I'll see what happens lol
Do you know how? Where's the research? I cannot see how it can stop oestrogen depletion.
There's plenty of research online lovely... It basically tightens and rejuvenates all your internal organs, giving you more internal control than when you were a teenager... Look into Tatyana Kozhevnikova (she's the vaginal weight lifting champion of Europe atm) or Kim Anami as she has a channel on youtube if you want some fun info... It's all based on Tantra, which is applicable to men and women.
I've been doing the breast massaging every day for 5mins since april and my boobs have changed, gotten firmer and the nipples point face forwards (they were a hot mess before I started imo)= if that works so miraculously it's all the evidence i need to start adding vaginal daily training into my health regimen lol x"The menopause is caused by oestrogen depletion, so you haven't responded appropriately. Tightening up your pelvic floor muscles is not a new thing and you can do this without spending money on products. Though products have been available for years. These exercises (with or without products), if they affect hormonal levels (specifically oestrogen), please provide the research evidence. | |||
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"Is it harder for men or women? I'm not talking about letting yourself go. I'm talking about the inevitably of aging. Obviously we all age differently and for some it maybe a rapid thing others very gradual. Yes we still dress good,groom ourselves eat healthily, exercise. But ultimately time catches up with us all. Personally I think it's harder for men, with hairloss greying and the inability to lose weight as easily as before. " I have to disagree. Men have the advantage, if they're lucky, of ageing in a sexy, rugged Sean Connery way. It's probably easier to think of famous sexy older men than it is to think of sexy older women. No, it's not fair. I speak as somebody whose taste in women has aged with me, and I do find women in my age group (and older) attractive. But I'm not talking about what I think, I'm talking generally about society. It's no coincidence the phrase 'silver fox' is commonplace and well understood, but it's hard to think of a female equivalent term. | |||
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"I think women can hide ageing easier than men. We can dye our hair, I'll admit to a few highlights to blend in the glitter strands. Botox & fillers for the wrinkles, I've not resorted to that. We can hide behind make up, and great underwear can totaly transform a figure when things start to get squishy. Only downside is the looming threat of menapause, they've not developed a full cure for that yet. Not even a semi cure . If there is anything else out there besides helping ease symptoms of the (peri)menopause, i want to know about it.
Apparently yoni egg vaginal training can put menopause off, I'm starting my daily training in Jan and I guess I'll see what happens lol
Do you know how? Where's the research? I cannot see how it can stop oestrogen depletion.
There's plenty of research online lovely... It basically tightens and rejuvenates all your internal organs, giving you more internal control than when you were a teenager... Look into Tatyana Kozhevnikova (she's the vaginal weight lifting champion of Europe atm) or Kim Anami as she has a channel on youtube if you want some fun info... It's all based on Tantra, which is applicable to men and women.
I've been doing the breast massaging every day for 5mins since april and my boobs have changed, gotten firmer and the nipples point face forwards (they were a hot mess before I started imo)= if that works so miraculously it's all the evidence i need to start adding vaginal daily training into my health regimen lol x
The menopause is caused by oestrogen depletion, so you haven't responded appropriately. Tightening up your pelvic floor muscles is not a new thing and you can do this without spending money on products. Though products have been available for years. These exercises (with or without products), if they affect hormonal levels (specifically oestrogen), please provide the research evidence."I'm sorry I was at work so my reply was short and to the point. It's going to be difficult to provide you with what you want, which to my mind sounds like Western scientific studies with human test subjects who've been observed, measured and put into pie charts?!... firstly because I have no clue if that's been done... and secondly if it has been done the information wouldn't be freely given to the general public because the "Aging market" is a huge and they spend a lot of money persuading us all that we're not enough... I do my own research in all things... i use my own body as a test subject and I follow people who've had personal beneficial experiences... this approach isn't for all but it works very well for me, so I stick to it. There is a ton of info online... I shifted through it, takes a little time but the information is worth it... or you can pay someone to tell you. Here's some info from the very first website of a google search...(obv be discerning... the info is all derived from Tantra teachings which is ancient knowledge... tantra was about way before Westerners invented medicine though we do love to think everyone died willy nilly before we invented it )
"Healing Benefits Of A Jade Egg Practice:
Awakening and cultivation of divine feminine sexual energy.
Improvement of physical and spiritual well being.
Increased orgasmic pleasure for both partners.
Balances the monthly flow of blood and daily cycle of hormones.
Stimulation of key reflexology points found within the vagina.
Higher production of Chi (life force energy).
Tightening and toning of the lady parts.
Increased vaginal lubrication.
Improved bladder control and incontinence prevention.
Faster recovery of vaginal elasticity after child birth
Prevention of uterine prolapse in twilight years."
I've just given myself a free breast lift with 5 mins effort a day that detoxifies my lymph system, regulates my hormones and increases oxytocin levels... all through the power of touch.
Obviously if you look at something and say what a load of bollocks then it'll probably be just that as you want it to fail from the start, probably won't put the effort in and will give up before you've experienced any beneficial changes which will all validate you're pre-established point of view... if that's how you see it I wouldn't bother wasting you time with it .
I hope that answered you question a bit better... if not you can pm me to come back and waffle on some more as I'm getting myself ready for a hot date and won't be on here probably till after it's finished tomorrow x | |||
"Aging is an unforgiving side effect of living. As age etches it’s mark on the mind and body it seems keeping warm and a daily bowel movement are a cause for rejoicing over the need to look presentable. " Unforgiving ? Age improves the mind. | |||
"I think women can hide ageing easier than men. We can dye our hair, I'll admit to a few highlights to blend in the glitter strands. Botox & fillers for the wrinkles, I've not resorted to that. We can hide behind make up, and great underwear can totaly transform a figure when things start to get squishy. Only downside is the looming threat of menapause, they've not developed a full cure for that yet. Not even a semi cure . If there is anything else out there besides helping ease symptoms of the (peri)menopause, i want to know about it.
Apparently yoni egg vaginal training can put menopause off, I'm starting my daily training in Jan and I guess I'll see what happens lol
Do you know how? Where's the research? I cannot see how it can stop oestrogen depletion.
There's plenty of research online lovely... It basically tightens and rejuvenates all your internal organs, giving you more internal control than when you were a teenager... Look into Tatyana Kozhevnikova (she's the vaginal weight lifting champion of Europe atm) or Kim Anami as she has a channel on youtube if you want some fun info... It's all based on Tantra, which is applicable to men and women.
I've been doing the breast massaging every day for 5mins since april and my boobs have changed, gotten firmer and the nipples point face forwards (they were a hot mess before I started imo)= if that works so miraculously it's all the evidence i need to start adding vaginal daily training into my health regimen lol x
The menopause is caused by oestrogen depletion, so you haven't responded appropriately. Tightening up your pelvic floor muscles is not a new thing and you can do this without spending money on products. Though products have been available for years. These exercises (with or without products), if they affect hormonal levels (specifically oestrogen), please provide the research evidence."I'm reading Tantra: The Cult of the Feminine by Andre Van Lysebeth atm... it's about the general philosophy of tantra though with a section dedicated to the benefits of vaginal training. I'm not an expert, just a layman ploughing my way through a ton of info because I want to learn for myself instead of listening to someone else's interpretation of ancient texts in exchange for financial payment... but i get a bit nerdy like that when i find a subject that fascinates me x | |||
" Apparently yoni egg vaginal training can put menopause off, I'm starting my daily training in Jan and I guess I'll see what happens lol Do you know how? Where's the research? I cannot see how it can stop oestrogen depletion. There's plenty of research online lovely... It basically tightens and rejuvenates all your internal organs, giving you more internal control than when you were a teenager... Look into Tatyana Kozhevnikova (she's the vaginal weight lifting champion of Europe atm) or Kim Anami as she has a channel on youtube if you want some fun info... It's all based on Tantra, which is applicable to men and women. I've been doing the breast massaging every day for 5mins since april and my boobs have changed, gotten firmer and the nipples point face forwards (they were a hot mess before I started imo)= if that works so miraculously it's all the evidence i need to start adding vaginal daily training into my health regimen lol x The menopause is caused by oestrogen depletion, so you haven't responded appropriately. Tightening up your pelvic floor muscles is not a new thing and you can do this without spending money on products. Though products have been available for years. These exercises (with or without products), if they affect hormonal levels (specifically oestrogen), please provide the research evidence. I'm sorry I was at work so my reply was short and to the point. It's going to be difficult to provide you with what you want, which to my mind sounds like Western scientific studies with human test subjects who've been observed, measured and put into pie charts?!... firstly because I have no clue if that's been done... and secondly if it has been done the information wouldn't be freely given to the general public because the "Aging market" is a huge and they spend a lot of money persuading us all that we're not enough... I do my own research in all things... i use my own body as a test subject and I follow people who've had personal beneficial experiences... this approach isn't for all but it works very well for me, so I stick to it. There is a ton of info online... I shifted through it, takes a little time but the information is worth it... or you can pay someone to tell you. Here's some info from the very first website of a google search...(obv be discerning... the info is all derived from Tantra teachings which is ancient knowledge... tantra was about way before Westerners invented medicine though we do love to think everyone died willy nilly before we invented it )
"Healing Benefits Of A Jade Egg Practice:
Awakening and cultivation of divine feminine sexual energy.
Improvement of physical and spiritual well being.
Increased orgasmic pleasure for both partners.
Balances the monthly flow of blood and daily cycle of hormones.
Stimulation of key reflexology points found within the vagina.
Higher production of Chi (life force energy).
Tightening and toning of the lady parts.
Increased vaginal lubrication.
Improved bladder control and incontinence prevention.
Faster recovery of vaginal elasticity after child birth
Prevention of uterine prolapse in twilight years."
I've just given myself a free breast lift with 5 mins effort a day that detoxifies my lymph system, regulates my hormones and increases oxytocin levels... all through the power of touch.
Obviously if you look at something and say what a load of bollocks then it'll probably be just that as you want it to fail from the start, probably won't put the effort in and will give up before you've experienced any beneficial changes which will all validate you're pre-established point of view... if that's how you see it I wouldn't bother wasting you time with it .
I hope that answered you question a bit better... if not you can pm me to come back and waffle on some more as I'm getting myself ready for a hot date and won't be on here probably till after it's finished tomorrow x"I'm going to look this up, I'll give anything a go if it helps. On a side note, I do wear a set of 'eggs' in the gym. Nothibg sexual, but as I'm lifting obviously internal muscles are used & I've found having the eggs in activates the pelvic floor area, so basically giving your vagina a work out at the same time... Can't be a bad thing Enjoy your hot date tonight lovey xx | |||
" "Youth is wasted on the young" = I find this so true, personally I didn't appreciate what I had when I was younger... didn't have any self awareness and was always unhappy with my physique... totally loving being older, getting fitter and gaining control over my body's abilities." Fully agree. It’s there for both men and women to age naturally. Take care of the body and reap the benefits | |||
" Apparently yoni egg vaginal training can put menopause off, I'm starting my daily training in Jan and I guess I'll see what happens lol Do you know how? Where's the research? I cannot see how it can stop oestrogen depletion. There's plenty of research online lovely... It basically tightens and rejuvenates all your internal organs, giving you more internal control than when you were a teenager... Look into Tatyana Kozhevnikova (she's the vaginal weight lifting champion of Europe atm) or Kim Anami as she has a channel on youtube if you want some fun info... It's all based on Tantra, which is applicable to men and women. I've been doing the breast massaging every day for 5mins since april and my boobs have changed, gotten firmer and the nipples point face forwards (they were a hot mess before I started imo)= if that works so miraculously it's all the evidence i need to start adding vaginal daily training into my health regimen lol x The menopause is caused by oestrogen depletion, so you haven't responded appropriately. Tightening up your pelvic floor muscles is not a new thing and you can do this without spending money on products. Though products have been available for years. These exercises (with or without products), if they affect hormonal levels (specifically oestrogen), please provide the research evidence. I'm sorry I was at work so my reply was short and to the point. It's going to be difficult to provide you with what you want, which to my mind sounds like Western scientific studies with human test subjects who've been observed, measured and put into pie charts?!... firstly because I have no clue if that's been done... and secondly if it has been done the information wouldn't be freely given to the general public because the "Aging market" is a huge and they spend a lot of money persuading us all that we're not enough... I do my own research in all things... i use my own body as a test subject and I follow people who've had personal beneficial experiences... this approach isn't for all but it works very well for me, so I stick to it. There is a ton of info online... I shifted through it, takes a little time but the information is worth it... or you can pay someone to tell you. Here's some info from the very first website of a google search...(obv be discerning... the info is all derived from Tantra teachings which is ancient knowledge... tantra was about way before Westerners invented medicine though we do love to think everyone died willy nilly before we invented it )
"Healing Benefits Of A Jade Egg Practice:
Awakening and cultivation of divine feminine sexual energy.
Improvement of physical and spiritual well being.
Increased orgasmic pleasure for both partners.
Balances the monthly flow of blood and daily cycle of hormones.
Stimulation of key reflexology points found within the vagina.
Higher production of Chi (life force energy).
Tightening and toning of the lady parts.
Increased vaginal lubrication.
Improved bladder control and incontinence prevention.
Faster recovery of vaginal elasticity after child birth
Prevention of uterine prolapse in twilight years."
I've just given myself a free breast lift with 5 mins effort a day that detoxifies my lymph system, regulates my hormones and increases oxytocin levels... all through the power of touch.
Obviously if you look at something and say what a load of bollocks then it'll probably be just that as you want it to fail from the start, probably won't put the effort in and will give up before you've experienced any beneficial changes which will all validate you're pre-established point of view... if that's how you see it I wouldn't bother wasting you time with it .
I hope that answered you question a bit better... if not you can pm me to come back and waffle on some more as I'm getting myself ready for a hot date and won't be on here probably till after it's finished tomorrow x
I'm going to look this up, I'll give anything a go if it helps.
On a side note, I do wear a set of 'eggs' in the gym. Nothibg sexual, but as I'm lifting obviously internal muscles are used & I've found having the eggs in activates the pelvic floor area, so basically giving your vagina a work out at the same time... Can't be a bad thing
Enjoy your hot date tonight lovey xx"Thank you Astra xx (I'm very excited lol)...
I don't do anything unless there's tangible results... if you read up about it you'll find some amazing claims, and then there's a lot of women experiencing life changing feedback from it (in real time, I follow people who run online yoni egg courses out of curiosity mostly)... the price of a yoni egg is less than £30 and they last for life...
I'm starting to think that most of our issues have very simple ways of being resolved and most of what we're sold is superfluous and in some cases toxic... I am biased though as I've had results that now back up my beliefs lol x | |||
"I think women can hide ageing easier than men. We can dye our hair, I'll admit to a few highlights to blend in the glitter strands. Botox & fillers for the wrinkles, I've not resorted to that. We can hide behind make up, and great underwear can totaly transform a figure when things start to get squishy. Only downside is the looming threat of menapause, they've not developed a full cure for that yet. Not even a semi cure . If there is anything else out there besides helping ease symptoms of the (peri)menopause, i want to know about it.
Apparently yoni egg vaginal training can put menopause off, I'm starting my daily training in Jan and I guess I'll see what happens lol
Do you know how? Where's the research? I cannot see how it can stop oestrogen depletion.
There's plenty of research online lovely... It basically tightens and rejuvenates all your internal organs, giving you more internal control than when you were a teenager... Look into Tatyana Kozhevnikova (she's the vaginal weight lifting champion of Europe atm) or Kim Anami as she has a channel on youtube if you want some fun info... It's all based on Tantra, which is applicable to men and women.
I've been doing the breast massaging every day for 5mins since april and my boobs have changed, gotten firmer and the nipples point face forwards (they were a hot mess before I started imo)= if that works so miraculously it's all the evidence i need to start adding vaginal daily training into my health regimen lol x
The menopause is caused by oestrogen depletion, so you haven't responded appropriately. Tightening up your pelvic floor muscles is not a new thing and you can do this without spending money on products. Though products have been available for years. These exercises (with or without products), if they affect hormonal levels (specifically oestrogen), please provide the research evidence.
I'm sorry I was at work so my reply was short and to the point.
It's going to be difficult to provide you with what you want, which to my mind sounds like Western scientific studies with human test subjects who've been observed, measured and put into pie charts?!... firstly because I have no clue if that's been done... and secondly if it has been done the information wouldn't be freely given to the general public because the "Aging market" is a huge and they spend a lot of money persuading us all that we're not enough...
I do my own research in all things... i use my own body as a test subject and I follow people who've had personal beneficial experiences... this approach isn't for all but it works very well for me, so I stick to it.
There is a ton of info online... I shifted through it, takes a little time but the information is worth it... or you can pay someone to tell you.
Here's some info from the very first website of a google search...(obv be discerning... the info is all derived from Tantra teachings which is ancient knowledge... tantra was about way before Westerners invented medicine though we do love to think everyone died willy nilly before we invented it )
"Healing Benefits Of A Jade Egg Practice:
Awakening and cultivation of divine feminine sexual energy.
Improvement of physical and spiritual well being.
Increased orgasmic pleasure for both partners.
Balances the monthly flow of blood and daily cycle of hormones.
Stimulation of key reflexology points found within the vagina.
Higher production of Chi (life force energy).
Tightening and toning of the lady parts.
Increased vaginal lubrication.
Improved bladder control and incontinence prevention.
Faster recovery of vaginal elasticity after child birth
Prevention of uterine prolapse in twilight years."
I've just given myself a free breast lift with 5 mins effort a day that detoxifies my lymph system, regulates my hormones and increases oxytocin levels... all through the power of touch.
Obviously if you look at something and say what a load of bollocks then it'll probably be just that as you want it to fail from the start, probably won't put the effort in and will give up before you've experienced any beneficial changes which will all validate you're pre-established point of view... if that's how you see it I wouldn't bother wasting you time with it .
I hope that answered you question a bit better... if not you can pm me to come back and waffle on some more as I'm getting myself ready for a hot date and won't be on here probably till after it's finished tomorrow x"Spirituality aids mental health/well- being. This in turn affects neurotransmitters which affect hormones. Western medicine still has much to learn about these links. Exercises also aids well-being etc. I was curious if you knew of any scientific (medical) evidence. | |||
" Spirituality aids mental health/well- being. This in turn affects neurotransmitters which affect hormones. Western medicine still has much to learn about these links. Exercises also aids well-being etc. I was curious if you knew of any scientific (medical) evidence." Shoulda known you'd be open minded to it based on your forum presence (I can't be doing with fighting about information these days)
I would think Kim Anami might have some scientific research as she's charging big money for tropical tantra retreats to NYC ceo's and the such... She's got a very slick high end product in place and I would expect she'd need to back her woo woo up (lol) if she's teaching people like that... If I find any scientific research I'll pm you it because it's a subject I'll be looking into for some time.
If western medicine and holistic therapy would hurry up and merge I'd be a happier bunny because they compliment each other x | |||
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" Spirituality aids mental health/well- being. This in turn affects neurotransmitters which affect hormones. Western medicine still has much to learn about these links. Exercises also aids well-being etc. I was curious if you knew of any scientific (medical) evidence. Shoulda known you'd be open minded to it based on your forum presence (I can't be doing with fighting about information these days)
I would think Kim Anami might have some scientific research as she's charging big money for tropical tantra retreats to NYC ceo's and the such... She's got a very slick high end product in place and I would expect she'd need to back her woo woo up (lol) if she's teaching people like that... If I find any scientific research I'll pm you it because it's a subject I'll be looking into for some time.
If western medicine and holistic therapy would hurry up and merge I'd be a happier bunny because they compliment each other x"I've been pushing for mental health services and adult services to merge, for many years. Baby steps, sigh. Same for holistic therapies. | |||
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"I think it depends on the person. If they were hot in their youth then age might not be kind. If they were never hot there's nothing to miss.
Well that's a cheery thought
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