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over a year ago
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Whilst the technology might not be perfect at the moment I’m sure it will progress at a ridiculous speed (think what mobile phones were like 20 years ago!).
I guess the technology might be more applicable for commercial transport than popping to the shops to begin with though. |
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over a year ago
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"Good idea?
Jobs?
Safety?
Hacking?
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I know many people don’t like him but Jeremy Clarkson has road tested a “driverless” car for 50 miles and said it made 2 very costly mistakes that, if he didn’t have any form of controls would’ve killed him. Based on that and that alone I think they’re a shit idea |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can be hacked, it has been proven.
Will improve safety.
Taxi drivers gone,
Truckers gone
Fuel comsumption drops, better for environment.
Increase in production, replacement of old vehicles, car industry will be booming.
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By *entenTeaCouple
over a year ago
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Can't wait to see them introduced. I'm not a good driver nor do I find it that easy even after 30 years in the road. So a driverless car couldn't be any worse than me. I look forward to owning one eventually. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Good idea?
Jobs?
Safety?
Hacking?
I know many people don’t like him but Jeremy Clarkson has road tested a “driverless” car for 50 miles and said it made 2 very costly mistakes that, if he didn’t have any form of controls would’ve killed him. Based on that and that alone I think they’re a shit idea"
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They would have killed Clarkson!!.
Based on that alone I say let's plough ahead and make sure he's the first to get one  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Good idea?
Jobs?
Safety?
Hacking?
I know many people don’t like him but Jeremy Clarkson has road tested a “driverless” car for 50 miles and said it made 2 very costly mistakes that, if he didn’t have any form of controls would’ve killed him. Based on that and that alone I think they’re a shit idea.
They would have killed Clarkson!!.
Based on that alone I say let's plough ahead and make sure he's the first to get one "
I’m not ashamed to say I like the fella but Jesus this made me laugh out loud  |
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will it mean people can go in their car and get pissed if they are not driving it??
also, will it be allowed to do the school run while mummy stays in bed??
who gets the tickets for traffic violations if the computer slips up ?? |
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"Good idea?
Jobs?
Safety?
Hacking?
I know many people don’t like him but Jeremy Clarkson has road tested a “driverless” car for 50 miles and said it made 2 very costly mistakes that, if he didn’t have any form of controls would’ve killed him. Based on that and that alone I think they’re a shit idea.
They would have killed Clarkson!!.
Based on that alone I say let's plough ahead and make sure he's the first to get one "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"will it mean people can go in their car and get pissed if they are not driving it??
also, will it be allowed to do the school run while mummy stays in bed??
who gets the tickets for traffic violations if the computer slips up ??"
I wonder if kids will be allowed them.
Can you get in one d*unk.
Do you need a licence to own one?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My biggest worry would be what happens when they get old.
We all know someone who's forever breaking down due to incompetent diy maintenance. What happens when this clown starts to "fix" his autonomous car and it starts driving on the wrong side of the road or accelerates into a parked car? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Who ends up in Court when a driverless car/van/lorry ends up in a fatality?"
Probably not you as the car doesn't have the self preservation instinct you would have. It will be programmed to kill you, not a pedestrian. |
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over a year ago
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"will we be less likely to have bellends with a sense of entitlement to do stupid shit in cars doing stupid shit in cars?"
I doubt it until/unless it becomes illegal to drive manually but I'm not sure that will ever be a reality. |
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Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control
Could a computer ever be programmed to react safely to absolutely *every* situation it might encounter? There are surely far far too many variables. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control
Could a computer ever be programmed to react safely to absolutely *every* situation it might encounter? There are surely far far too many variables."
A computer could certainly be programmed to act in the best global interest.
For example, given the choice of hitting pedestrians or a speeding truck head on, a human is far more likely to hit the pedestrians and save himself than the truck. The computer doesn't give it a second thought and hits the truck killing the contents of the car. |
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control
Could a computer ever be programmed to react safely to absolutely *every* situation it might encounter? There are surely far far too many variables.
A computer could certainly be programmed to act in the best global interest.
For example, given the choice of hitting pedestrians or a speeding truck head on, a human is far more likely to hit the pedestrians and save himself than the truck. The computer doesn't give it a second thought and hits the truck killing the contents of the car."
But does the computer driven truck take avoiding action? And what reaction would this action have?
In the occurrence of a crash, I doubt there's much in the way of 'choice' being made by the driver. |
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"Good idea?
Jobs?
Safety?
Hacking?
I know many people don’t like him but Jeremy Clarkson has road tested a “driverless” car for 50 miles and said it made 2 very costly mistakes that, if he didn’t have any form of controls would’ve killed him. Based on that and that alone I think they’re a shit idea"
There was a fatality with a 'driverless' Tesla in the usa last year. That was the first fatality from 130 million autonomous driven miles. The average for regular cars is one per 93 million miles.
So, that would indicate they are actually safer.
Caution is needed of course, and uk driving is very different to US driving. |
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control
Could a computer ever be programmed to react safely to absolutely *every* situation it might encounter? There are surely far far too many variables."
Do you fly when you go abroad? The technology has been used in planes since the 80's. |
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It's a good idea when it's done at the right pace. If you make every taxi and lorry driver redundant overnight then there will be riots by dawn. That said things do need to move forward and they can't be lingering on forever like the eggy farts 'driving' our tube trains for £60k a year. |
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control
Could a computer ever be programmed to react safely to absolutely *every* situation it might encounter? There are surely far far too many variables.
Do you fly when you go abroad? The technology has been used in planes since the 80's."
Well yes, but because I can't fly I have no other choice than to hand over my safety to whatever combination of human and computer gets me from A to B. Flying doesn't bother me at all, I'm very 'que sera, sera' about it. Being able to drive though I'd much prefer to remain wholly responsible for completing my journeys safely.
I do accept however that computer driven cars would be a much better transport solution if they helped stamp out the myriad dreadful drivers about (boy racers, people who drive right up your backside, non indicators, 'pootlers', lane hoggers etc etc). |
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1)what are the insurance companies going to do then when there's no drivers to bleed dry
2) when one of these wonders of the modern world are involved in an accident and it will happen ( not if but when) who is going to accept the blame
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Seems risky plus one fatal move or mistake and you're looking at accidents and injuries or worse case scenarios fatalities. It is an interesting concept but at any given moment if a fault occurs and control off the car manually is out off the question then that alone is a hazard. None the less I'm sure they might figure out a way to solve the faults and have an override? |
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control
Could a computer ever be programmed to react safely to absolutely *every* situation it might encounter? There are surely far far too many variables.
Do you fly when you go abroad? The technology has been used in planes since the 80's.
Well yes, but because I can't fly I have no other choice than to hand over my safety to whatever combination of human and computer gets me from A to B. Flying doesn't bother me at all, I'm very 'que sera, sera' about it. Being able to drive though I'd much prefer to remain wholly responsible for completing my journeys safely.
I do accept however that computer driven cars would be a much better transport solution if they helped stamp out the myriad dreadful drivers about (boy racers, people who drive right up your backside, non indicators, 'pootlers', lane hoggers etc etc). "
I'm just interested why a driverless car / loss of control freaks you out more  than a plane? |
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"Good idea?
Jobs?
Safety?
Hacking?
I know many people don’t like him but Jeremy Clarkson has road tested a “driverless” car for 50 miles and said it made 2 very costly mistakes that, if he didn’t have any form of controls would’ve killed him. Based on that and that alone I think they’re a shit idea
There was a fatality with a 'driverless' Tesla in the usa last year. That was the first fatality from 130 million autonomous driven miles. The average for regular cars is one per 93 million miles.
So, that would indicate they are actually safer.
Caution is needed of course, and uk driving is very different to US driving."
true an awful lots of roads in the US are straight .try it on our roads ....a disaster waiting to happen . |
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"A computer could certainly be programmed to act in the best global interest.
For example, given the choice of hitting pedestrians or a speeding truck head on, a human is far more likely to hit the pedestrians and save himself than the truck. The computer doesn't give it a second thought and hits the truck killing the contents of the car."
What if the truck is a fuel tanker, which would jackknife taking out the pedestrians, before rolling over and covering the old people's home the orphanage and the big eyed puppy rescue centre in burning oil.
When a human driver would have applied the brakes and blown the horn... |
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"Does it mean as a lorry driver I'll be able to work from home?
I'm imagining VR goggles and a playstation in bed. "
Maybe. I'm guessing the AI won't be good enough to do those ice trucker routes so they would need to be done remotely. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Instead of some crappy 19 year old boy racer bringing annoyance to the road, some 13 year old will hack all cars ahead of his dad's car to run 6 feet to the left opening a gap so they can run down the m6 unhindered, without realising that means in every town they pass all cars will be running down the pavements killing pedestrians and big eyed puppies alike... |
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Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people.
They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still. |
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I think you will find that somebody very high up in government circles has a strong financial interest in the company who are developing the technology, and are getting all the grants. And who will make millions from selling shares just before that company goes bust.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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i dont get it it , what about when d*unk people in the street put obstacles in the way of the moving vehicle .especially the sensors ,mud rain sleet snow , graffiti , masking tape even
say it caught on fire ......
i think they will cause major congestion and traffic jams
if its delivering for sure people will try and steal the contents..
punctures and flat tyres ...i personally think theres to many objects in the way of a driverless vehicle
uber say on there website flying taxis by 2020, there worth 160 billion , so im going with flying taxis being more popularthan driverless cars
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"I think you will find that somebody very high up in government circles has a strong financial interest in the company who are developing the technology, and are getting all the grants. And who will make millions from selling shares just before that company goes bust. "
In the usa Tesla and google are 'driving' it. |
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"I really have no idea why companies are perusing this, I mean what’s the bloody point?  "
Hits the nail on the head.
90% of vehicles only have one occupant, who is capable of driving a car without big brother to hold their hand. What would be the point of kicking the driver out so your car can go to work without you leaving you getting the bus? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Good idea?
Jobs?
Safety?
Hacking?
I know many people don’t like him but Jeremy Clarkson has road tested a “driverless” car for 50 miles and said it made 2 very costly mistakes that, if he didn’t have any form of controls would’ve killed him. Based on that and that alone I think they’re a shit idea.
They would have killed Clarkson!!.
Based on that alone I say let's plough ahead and make sure he's the first to get one
I’m not ashamed to say I like the fella but Jesus this made me laugh out loud "
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And they say AI isn't really intelligent?.
I think there brighter than we give them credit for.
And on that bombshell |
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people.
They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still."
Which is why I like newer cars less and less now...they're just soft to drive, the car does it all for you, I still long to have my proper wind up windows and be rid of these lazy heavy electric ones  |
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people.
They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still."
If any of these systems fail though they don't cause an accident they just don't protect the occupants from the driver's errors.
If a computer malfunctions and pulls the steering wheel to one side, that will cause an accident. The current systems are all passive. If any one fails you effectively get a lower spec car, not a dangerous one.
It's really not difficult to drive a car that doesn't have abs, stability control etc... A lot of us started driving without any of them, or power steering or servo assisted brakes. My first car didn't even have a fog light or hazard lights (no double parking on a zebra crossing for me) and the indicators had to be switched off manually.
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Human drivers, speed, get d*unk, don't pay attention, act recklessly, get road rage, cut corners, get tired, act selfishly, they're brains don't work as fast and there sensors don't take in as much information.... If I had to be driven by somebody, given that data I'd go with the human |
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people.
They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still.
If any of these systems fail though they don't cause an accident they just don't protect the occupants from the driver's errors.
If a computer malfunctions and pulls the steering wheel to one side, that will cause an accident. The current systems are all passive. If any one fails you effectively get a lower spec car, not a dangerous one.
It's really not difficult to drive a car that doesn't have abs, stability control etc... A lot of us started driving without any of them, or power steering or servo assisted brakes. My first car didn't even have a fog light or hazard lights (no double parking on a zebra crossing for me) and the indicators had to be switched off manually.
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My first car had no power steering or half the modern cack they have on cars now either ant it wasn't difficult to drive. I firmly believe that like all walks of life, in driving, Tech is making people lazy and slovenly.
You don't even need the nouse to turn your own lights on half the time as the car does it for you now. Human nature though, if people can find ways of expending a tiny bit less effort and getting machines to do the work and take the responsibility, they will |
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"Human drivers, speed, get d*unk, don't pay attention, act recklessly, get road rage, cut corners, get tired, act selfishly, they're brains don't work as fast and there sensors don't take in as much information.... If I had to be driven by somebody, given that data I'd go with the human "
Have you ever used a computer?
They're no more stable than a human yet only as intelligent as the computer that programmed it.
A computer program can work fine until someone trys to do something it wasn't expecting then it just crashes. The Typhoon has three different computers all doing the same job in case they crash. How many will be on the Ford? |
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"Personally, I have no desire for one of these - a) I really enjoy driving and b) I'm such a control freak that the idea of placing my safety (and others) in the hands of a computer would freak me out and make me very anxious. I don't even like using cruise control
Could a computer ever be programmed to react safely to absolutely *every* situation it might encounter? There are surely far far too many variables.
Do you fly when you go abroad? The technology has been used in planes since the 80's.
Well yes, but because I can't fly I have no other choice than to hand over my safety to whatever combination of human and computer gets me from A to B. Flying doesn't bother me at all, I'm very 'que sera, sera' about it. Being able to drive though I'd much prefer to remain wholly responsible for completing my journeys safely.
I do accept however that computer driven cars would be a much better transport solution if they helped stamp out the myriad dreadful drivers about (boy racers, people who drive right up your backside, non indicators, 'pootlers', lane hoggers etc etc).
I'm just interested why a driverless car / loss of control freaks you out more than a plane?"
I think it really does just boil down to the fact that I *can* drive a car, but *can't* fly a plane - so I have no choice, if I want to fly, except to put my trust in the pilot and onboard computers.
I do really enjoy driving too, and don't want to stop! |
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It will certainly happen at some point. When that will be will and to what degree is anyone's guess. Eventually the AI required will reach a level that would deem it 'safe enough' to be used out on public roads. Initially for transporting goods but increasingly people I imagine.
Personally it sort of freaks me out. But then a little over a hundred years ago the idea of this new-fangled thing called the motor car filled some with fear as well.
I certainly have no desire to use it anyway. As someone who's only been driving a few years, I thoroughly enjoy the act of driving. It gives me a feeling of freedom which I really like. I like the feeling of being in control. The idea of jumping into a driveless car wouldn't give me that buzz. Plus, I'm the sort of person that avoids intrusive technology at the best of times, so I'm never going to be comfortable having a computer drive me around. It's ultimately my life at stake, so I'd prefer to have as much control over that as possible. |
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Expensive to buy, expensive to maintain and who's to say it'll be safer than a driver, at the end of the day it's computer driven and computers can and do malfunction I have brakes in my wagon that brake if you get to close to the traffic in front of you but I can be driving down the motorway with nothing in front of me and the brakes bang on, yes its had a fault which has seemingly been repaired, it has done it again twice since repairs were carried out, so image driving down the motorway in your driverless car at 70 mph and it suddenly brakes for no reason and a 44 tonne wagon runs up your arse, good night Vienna, I'll just leave that there |
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people.
They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still.
If any of these systems fail though they don't cause an accident they just don't protect the occupants from the driver's errors.
If a computer malfunctions and pulls the steering wheel to one side, that will cause an accident. The current systems are all passive. If any one fails you effectively get a lower spec car, not a dangerous one.
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Your DSC can chose to brake any wheel at any speed. Your electric park brake can activate at any time. Electric power steering can move where it wants. All are ECU controlled and all could be catastrophic.
They all work and lots if people have them without even realising. |
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"Does it mean as a lorry driver I'll be able to work from home?
I'm imagining VR goggles and a playstation in bed.
Maybe. I'm guessing the AI won't be good enough to do those ice trucker routes so they would need to be done remotely. "
I could be even lazier than i am now. |
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"Does it mean as a lorry driver I'll be able to work from home?
I'm imagining VR goggles and a playstation in bed.
Maybe. I'm guessing the AI won't be good enough to do those ice trucker routes so they would need to be done remotely.
I could be even lazier than i am now."
They are talking about trialling some kind of truck road train. The front vehicle has a driver, the ones following drive autonomously, bumper to bumper just mimicking the front vehicle. |
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"Good idea?
Jobs?
Safety?
Hacking?
I know many people don’t like him but Jeremy Clarkson has road tested a “driverless” car for 50 miles and said it made 2 very costly mistakes that, if he didn’t have any form of controls would’ve killed him. Based on that and that alone I think they’re a shit idea"
And 100 years ago he would have said the same if he was testing the early aeroplanes.
30 years ago he would have dismissed early mobile phones as having rubbish reception and sound, and 40 years ago he would have been dismissing the first colour TVs.
Surprise surprise, technologies improve. |
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Personally, think that they have massive potential. Unfortunately the real impact won't be apparent until all the vehicles on the road are computer driven.
There would be a massive reduction in congestion with all vehicles observing proper lane discipline and slowing down to the best speed for controlling the flow of traffic.
There would be an increase in speed limit because the computers can react quicker and communicate with each other which would be like reading the minds of every driver on the road.
Hugely better safety, due to the driver not being distracted by its phone...
Personally though, I'd still rather drive myself.
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people.
They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still.
Which is why I like newer cars less and less now...they're just soft to drive, the car does it all for you, I still long to have my proper wind up windows and be rid of these lazy heavy electric ones "
Wind up windows, how modern...
Us traditionalists stick with slinding windows, none of that new fangled winder mechanism... |
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"Personally, think that they have massive potential. Unfortunately the real impact won't be apparent until all the vehicles on the road are computer driven.
There would be a massive reduction in congestion with all vehicles observing proper lane discipline and slowing down to the best speed for controlling the flow of traffic.
There would be an increase in speed limit because the computers can react quicker and communicate with each other which would be like reading the minds of every driver on the road.
Hugely better safety, due to the driver not being distracted by its phone...
Personally though, I'd still rather drive myself.
Cal"
If all cars had it, a whole motorway could drive bumper to bumper at 100mph. When you need to get off, the cars in the inner lanes can slow enough to form 1 gap in the lane to let the car across.
It's not a 'space age' idea, it's within reach now. |
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people.
They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still.
Which is why I like newer cars less and less now...they're just soft to drive, the car does it all for you, I still long to have my proper wind up windows and be rid of these lazy heavy electric ones
Wind up windows, how modern...
Us traditionalists stick with slinding windows, none of that new fangled winder mechanism... "
Had them in my old man's Morris! Genius, and agreed...worked just fine, and even more hassle free than winders! I do like the winding action though |
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"Do people trust ABS, self tensioning seatbelts, airbags, dynamic stability control (braking individual wheels automatically)? A car has more computers ( ECUs) than you imagine. A non computerised car would be a swine to drive for most people.
They aren't at a stage to drive all the time in all situations. The technology is progressive. So currently works well on motorway driving, which is more definable. Winding roads and urban areas are more problematic still.
Which is why I like newer cars less and less now...they're just soft to drive, the car does it all for you, I still long to have my proper wind up windows and be rid of these lazy heavy electric ones
Wind up windows, how modern...
Us traditionalists stick with slinding windows, none of that new fangled winder mechanism...
Had them in my old man's Morris! Genius, and agreed...worked just fine, and even more hassle free than winders! I do like the winding action though "
In a nod to modern technology, I do have intermittent wipers...  |
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What would peoples views be if the fatality rate halved but all those fatalities were caused by computers? Would it be considered an improvement or proof that computers weren’t infallible and therefore shouldn’t be operating vehicles? |
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