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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It could be argued that religion is the cause of many wars and conflicts, but today's Patriotism (for example Brexit and 'make America great again') is creeping in for reasons to argue with friends and family.
Which do you think you'll be arguing around the dinner table with your family over Christmas lunch?
Which do you think has people more passionately following their cause.
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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago
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We won't be arguing round the table. In fact such topics are not likely to ever come up. We spend the time laughing. Telling cracker jokes and stuffing our faces.
Christmas is the time to escape all that for me. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Will be who got too many sprouts round our table this year, we tend not to talk about politics in our house, although I am enjoying Trumps tweets."
Sprouts? You've had too many grandma  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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".....Telling cracker jokes and stuffing our faces.
Christmas is the time to escape all that for me. "
Cracker jokes, I wish I could escape all those....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Will be who got too many sprouts round our table this year, we tend not to talk about politics in our house, although I am enjoying Trumps tweets.
Sprouts? You've had too many grandma "
Personally I love them, the rest of the house aren’t fans though. |
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Usually one of the few times everyone gets together and though not happy families all the time Christmas seems 'protected' which I'm glad about 
Maybe it's the food and drink and the catch ups, the naff telly and post food/drink slumber. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Absolutely no arguments allowed on Crimble day. We will all be laughing at our ridiculous turkey hats and playing silly games. It's a day of fun and laughter. I won't even stress at loading the dishwasher.
No politics, no religion, just a happy carefree day. |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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There won’t be any arguments. Christmas Dinner is about the food, the crackers, the company and lots of laughter. Yes we tell the cracker jokes and wear the paper hats! We have a small secret Santa type gift at the table which is usually a humorous gift or small table game which we often play after we’ve eaten and we’re just too full to move, something that makes us laugh.
We do love a good political debate but not over Christmas. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Absolutely no arguments allowed on Crimble day. We will all be laughing at our ridiculous turkey hats and playing silly games. It's a day of fun and laughter. I won't even stress at loading the dishwasher.
No politics, no religion, just a happy carefree day. "
No politics? No religion? Imagine that?  |
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It'd be pretty pointless arguing over brexit, what's done is done, can't change it. All of my family are on the same wave length when it comes to politics, so never really argue over it... But it's a different matter all together when the board games come out  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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My family always discusses politics over Christmas (and a little bit of religion). It's always been good natured.....but lately those conversations have gotten more and more adversarial. Thanksgiving was always more argumentative so such debates aren't undeard of.
I don't tend to be with my family (other than Marc) on Christmas or Thanksgiving since we've moved here, though. But the same debates are now making our family holidays rather uncomfortable  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It'd be pretty pointless arguing over brexit, what's done is done, can't change it. All of my family are on the same wave length when it comes to politics, so never really argue over it... But it's a different matter all together when the board games come out "
Yep. Like Meli said above, I now breathalys guests before they sit down for Monopoly. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My family always discusses politics over Christmas (and a little bit of religion). It's always been good natured.....but lately those conversations have gotten more and more adversarial. Thanksgiving was always more argumentative so such debates aren't undeard of.
I don't tend to be with my family (other than Marc) on Christmas or Thanksgiving since we've moved here, though. But the same debates are now making our family holidays rather uncomfortable "
I've got a couple of family members who are vocal about what they're being brain washed with on the internet. So I blame that for the past few years of heated conversations. I just try to steer it to sports, at least there's some humour in the rivalry there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Isn't Peachfuzz's camel toe gorgeous?.. Sorry, got distracted!
Always forget to argue at Christmas, to busy having a nice day. Usually have friends over instead of extended family. Maybe that's where we're going wrong!
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By (user no longer on site)
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As it is Boxing Day that we are all together and Liverpool will be on television, my dad, my son and I will be arguing who is the worst defender Alberto Moreno or Dejan Lovren  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"...Patriotism..."
I agree with you Me Bee. I don’t do Religion; I’ve been there as a child and found them out. There’s no escape from politics, but the most divisive phenomenon recently is this rise in patriotism. You are born where you’re born, and you have no say in it. By all means enjoy where you live, but where you were born does not confer any superiority over anyone else, and trying to be more proud of where you were born than anyone else is such a childish mentality. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"As it is Boxing Day that we are all together and Liverpool will be on television, my dad, my son and I will be arguing who is the worst defender Alberto Moreno or Dejan Lovren "
Haha.  . football fans are never happy. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"...Patriotism...
I agree with you Me Bee. I don’t do Religion; I’ve been there as a child and found them out. There’s no escape from politics, but the most divisive phenomenon recently is this rise in patriotism. You are born where you’re born, and you have no say in it. By all means enjoy where you live, but where you were born does not confer any superiority over anyone else, and trying to be more proud of where you were born than anyone else is such a childish mentality. "
It's funny. I've never felt patriotic, im English, because my passport says so. Thats where it ends. As humans, we must feel we have to fight amongst ourselves, because we live somewhere. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Isn't Peachfuzz's camel toe gorgeous?.. Sorry, got distracted!
Always forget to argue at Christmas, to busy having a nice day. Usually have friends over instead of extended family. Maybe that's where we're going wrong!
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Thinking of doing a Christmas version... the reindeer hoof, bit of glitter maybe a bauble or two...what do you think? 
Peach x |
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Won't be any arguments this Christmas, I'm working.
But if my eldest was here, politics would definitely be on the agenda - He's a tory & I can't resist baiting him.
Any other child related argument would either involve Minecraft or who's the best Superhero |
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"It could be argued that religion is the cause of many wars and conflicts, but today's Patriotism (for example Brexit and 'make America great again') is creeping in for reasons to argue with friends and family.
Which do you think you'll be arguing around the dinner table with your family over Christmas lunch?
Which do you think has people more passionately following their cause.
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God is the thing that you hold highest in your value system. If you don't have a value system then you are a nihilist, which is frankly a foolish position. If rational thought is at the top, then i think you are a bit simple minded and haven't really understood the limits of rationality or science for that matter. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It could be argued that religion is the cause of many wars and conflicts, but today's Patriotism (for example Brexit and 'make America great again') is creeping in for reasons to argue with friends and family.
Which do you think you'll be arguing around the dinner table with your family over Christmas lunch?
Which do you think has people more passionately following their cause.
God is the thing that you hold highest in your value system. If you don't have a value system then you are a nihilist, which is frankly a foolish position. If rational thought is at the top, then i think you are a bit simple minded and haven't really understood the limits of rationality or science for that matter. "
*i say beyond rational thought, because in both cases, it relies on faith and beliefs only. You can't rationally prove any. They're argumentative at best. |
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"We won't be arguing round the table. In fact such topics are not likely to ever come up. We spend the time laughing. Telling cracker jokes and stuffing our faces.
Christmas is the time to escape all that for me. "
Exactly, we don't do family arguments. |
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"It could be argued that religion is the cause of many wars and conflicts, but today's Patriotism (for example Brexit and 'make America great again') is creeping in for reasons to argue with friends and family.
Which do you think you'll be arguing around the dinner table with your family over Christmas lunch?
Which do you think has people more passionately following their cause.
God is the thing that you hold highest in your value system. If you don't have a value system then you are a nihilist, which is frankly a foolish position. If rational thought is at the top, then i think you are a bit simple minded and haven't really understood the limits of rationality or science for that matter.
*i say beyond rational thought, because in both cases, it relies on faith and beliefs only. You can't rationally prove any. They're argumentative at best. "
The idea that religion caused a lot of wars is part of a wider ideology that relies on faith and beliefs only. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"We won't be arguing round the table. In fact such topics are not likely to ever come up. We spend the time laughing. Telling cracker jokes and stuffing our faces.
Christmas is the time to escape all that for me.
Exactly, we don't do family arguments. "
I don't, which can become rather boring, I might start calling my enemies for a chat on Boxing Day if it too quite.  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It could be argued that religion is the cause of many wars and conflicts, but today's Patriotism (for example Brexit and 'make America great again') is creeping in for reasons to argue with friends and family.
Which do you think you'll be arguing around the dinner table with your family over Christmas lunch?
Which do you think has people more passionately following their cause.
God is the thing that you hold highest in your value system. If you don't have a value system then you are a nihilist, which is frankly a foolish position. If rational thought is at the top, then i think you are a bit simple minded and haven't really understood the limits of rationality or science for that matter.
*i say beyond rational thought, because in both cases, it relies on faith and beliefs only. You can't rationally prove any. They're argumentative at best.
The idea that religion caused a lot of wars is part of a wider ideology that relies on faith and beliefs only. "
A fantastic point well put. |
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"There won’t be any arguments. Christmas Dinner is about the food, the crackers, the company and lots of laughter. Yes we tell the cracker jokes and wear the paper hats! We have a small secret Santa type gift at the table which is usually a humorous gift or small table game which we often play after we’ve eaten...."
That's a sweet idea
There might be the odd debate about cheating at scrabble in our house.... |
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By *abs..Woman
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"There won’t be any arguments. Christmas Dinner is about the food, the crackers, the company and lots of laughter. Yes we tell the cracker jokes and wear the paper hats! We have a small secret Santa type gift at the table which is usually a humorous gift or small table game which we often play after we’ve eaten....
That's a sweet idea
There might be the odd debate about cheating at scrabble in our house.... "
Meli mentioned Monopoly earlier and that’s the one game that’s labelled ‘do not open until after 25th December’ in our house because we are all so competitive with that game (and I’m sure my son snaffles money on the sly) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Isn't Peachfuzz's camel toe gorgeous?.. Sorry, got distracted!
Always forget to argue at Christmas, to busy having a nice day. Usually have friends over instead of extended family. Maybe that's where we're going wrong!
Thinking of doing a Christmas version... the reindeer hoof, bit of glitter maybe a bauble or two...what do you think?
Peach x"
And tinsel!
I'm already excited
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I'm not sure how this one will go, it's the second since my dad died and last year was awful without him, then there's been some family fall outs this year over choices my mum has made since he died. It's a shame as we were always a close family and Christmas was always a warm happy time  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm not sure how this one will go, it's the second since my dad died and last year was awful without him, then there's been some family fall outs this year over choices my mum has made since he died. It's a shame as we were always a close family and Christmas was always a warm happy time "
Yeah, the holidays changed completely after my Dad died. My mother died this year and so I don't really think it'll ever be worth making the effort to go home for the holidays anymore. It's just not the same. It really shows you how much of the holidays are made up of the people around you. |
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