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By *oubyLover OP Woman
over a year ago
East Yorkshire |
Do you opt out and go for the pat down instead?
I did today and fucking hell they want to make it difficult and time consuming and too invasive for people to do so. I questioned by the bloke I first said I’d rather not. He got his supervisor who started questioning me why - because I’d rather not doesn’t seem acceptable 
I was told I’d have to be pat down in a private room, hmmm ok I’ve had it done publicly before but whatever. Supervisor said loudly stop the whole line of people going through we’ve got a private one
Another woman patted me down then did the metal detector thing in a room supervisor watching. Hmm good sorted. Not quite - Now for going through all your bags in detail - what?? They’ve gone through the machine, yes but you’ve declined the machine. Yes me not my bag but whatever..,
And finally we need your details please - why, because the government requires us to take information on anyone who opts out. Seriously?! Can I put a reason - yes because I’d rather not. Yes but I need a reason for the government. Ffs it’s not illegal I just choose not to!!
Are you late for your flight madam, no just incredibly pissed off!!
So would you opt out? Would all this palaver put you off taking your right to opt out? Should the government take details when it’s clear by the end your body and bags are perfectly clear of anything of risk?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I flew last Monday and it was very busy and they just called me through without a pat down. I don't really care I go with the flow as they've got a job to do. Although I was slightly annoyed they put my tray with my coat tablet and mobile through a 2nd time because my coat had fallen on top of them took like 40 mins to get to my stuff back |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If 'you'd rather not' you shouldn't then get annoyed because they either want to know why, or make you go through more rigorous checks. The body scanners are there assist in speeding security procedures up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would rather just go through the body scanner and everyone else as well, than hearing some wanker shouting god is great at 38,000ft 
Unless you have a medical condition that is effected by it why not?
Procedures are there for everyone’s safety  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To me “I’d rather not” means “I don’t have a good reason, I just want to be difficult”
I can’t think of one good reason why you wouldn’t want to go through the scanners |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do you opt out and go for the pat down instead?
I did today and fucking hell they want to make it difficult and time consuming and too invasive for people to do so. I questioned by the bloke I first said I’d rather not. He got his supervisor who started questioning me why - because I’d rather not doesn’t seem acceptable
I was told I’d have to be pat down in a private room, hmmm ok I’ve had it done publicly before but whatever. Supervisor said loudly stop the whole line of people going through we’ve got a private one
Another woman patted me down then did the metal detector thing in a room supervisor watching. Hmm good sorted. Not quite - Now for going through all your bags in detail - what?? They’ve gone through the machine, yes but you’ve declined the machine. Yes me not my bag but whatever..,
And finally we need your details please - why, because the government requires us to take information on anyone who opts out. Seriously?! Can I put a reason - yes because I’d rather not. Yes but I need a reason for the government. Ffs it’s not illegal I just choose not to!!
Are you late for your flight madam, no just incredibly pissed off!!
So would you opt out? Would all this palaver put you off taking your right to opt out? Should the government take details when it’s clear by the end your body and bags are perfectly clear of anything of risk?
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It's bureaucracy. Just do what's required. Somethings aren't meant to be understood. And when it comes to airport safety follow the line of least resistance. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do you opt out and go for the pat down instead?
I did today and fucking hell they want to make it difficult and time consuming and too invasive for people to do so. I questioned by the bloke I first said I’d rather not. He got his supervisor who started questioning me why - because I’d rather not doesn’t seem acceptable
I was told I’d have to be pat down in a private room, hmmm ok I’ve had it done publicly before but whatever. Supervisor said loudly stop the whole line of people going through we’ve got a private one
Another woman patted me down then did the metal detector thing in a room supervisor watching. Hmm good sorted. Not quite - Now for going through all your bags in detail - what?? They’ve gone through the machine, yes but you’ve declined the machine. Yes me not my bag but whatever..,
And finally we need your details please - why, because the government requires us to take information on anyone who opts out. Seriously?! Can I put a reason - yes because I’d rather not. Yes but I need a reason for the government. Ffs it’s not illegal I just choose not to!!
Are you late for your flight madam, no just incredibly pissed off!!
So would you opt out? Would all this palaver put you off taking your right to opt out? Should the government take details when it’s clear by the end your body and bags are perfectly clear of anything of risk?
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nothing to hide and id go through the body scanners, none of my piercings have ever triggered |
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By *oubyLover OP Woman
over a year ago
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"If 'you'd rather not' you shouldn't then get annoyed because they either want to know why, or make you go through more rigorous checks. The body scanners are there assist in speeding security procedures up. "
It’s not a legal requirement to disclose why, Happy with the rigorous checks I’m used to but seems to have got much worse like they’re trying to put people off. If it was mandatory find but it’s not. Putting my stuff through twice and going over it by hand is excessive when it had cleared the first check.
The thing I objected to most was taking my details and wanting to report the reason to the government. I’m not a criminal, just someone with rights. Worrying if that doesn’t concern anyone else tbh |
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"Do you mean the body scanners where they show up like a nude image of the person?"
You don't really show naked. The official info says:
No, not in any image that’ll be seen by a human. The scanner uses an Automatic Threat Recognition and Detection functionality to digitally look for possible threats. If any are detected, the scanner will display them on a ‘gingerbread man’ image for the human operator to review. He will then decide if a physical search is needed.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Biggest gripe at airports is the length of time it takes to clear security. So if they're making it awkward for the one or two folk who don't want to use scanners then the rationale is that it'll deter others from opting out, and therefore clear queues quicker.
The extra staff needed to do your extra checks could be better use at the scanners. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Do you mean the body scanners where they show up like a nude image of the person?
You don't really show naked. The official info says:
No, not in any image that’ll be seen by a human. The scanner uses an Automatic Threat Recognition and Detection functionality to digitally look for possible threats. If any are detected, the scanner will display them on a ‘gingerbread man’ image for the human operator to review. He will then decide if a physical search is needed.
Nita"
That's useful, thank you.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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At the end of the day it is for your security and the security of fellow passengers and after 9/11 I would of thought it should be on everyones mind the need of security in airports! And any areas where the public gather I am sure if you had to clear up after a bombing you would not have such a cavalier attitude! ! |
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By *oubyLover OP Woman
over a year ago
East Yorkshire |
"At the end of the day it is for your security and the security of fellow passengers and after 9/11 I would of thought it should be on everyones mind the need of security in airports! And any areas where the public gather I am sure if you had to clear up after a bombing you would not have such a cavalier attitude! !"
If it was a ‘necessity’ it would be ‘mandatory’. It’s not.
I also didn’t say I didn’t have a reason. I do but I’m not spending time at an airport debating it with airport staff and that’s what would happen if I gave it so stick with I’d rather not.
If it’s neccesary, make it mandatory. Until then, I’ll stick to my rights |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Pat me down, body scan me.
I’d even strip down to my underwear if needed, airport security isn’t something to take lightly.
Unfortunately we live in a world where high security measures are a must. |
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"Do you mean the body scanners where they show up like a nude image of the person?
You don't really show naked. The official info says:
No, not in any image that’ll be seen by a human. The scanner uses an Automatic Threat Recognition and Detection functionality to digitally look for possible threats. If any are detected, the scanner will display them on a ‘gingerbread man’ image for the human operator to review. He will then decide if a physical search is needed.
Nita
That's useful, thank you. "
You're welcome |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"At the end of the day it is for your security and the security of fellow passengers and after 9/11 I would of thought it should be on everyones mind the need of security in airports! And any areas where the public gather I am sure if you had to clear up after a bombing you would not have such a cavalier attitude! !
If it was a ‘necessity’ it would be ‘mandatory’. It’s not.
I also didn’t say I didn’t have a reason. I do but I’m not spending time at an airport debating it with airport staff and that’s what would happen if I gave it so stick with I’d rather not.
If it’s neccesary, make it mandatory. Until then, I’ll stick to my rights "
So put up with the consequences of your choice as well then. Not much point complaining about it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"At the end of the day it is for your security and the security of fellow passengers and after 9/11 I would of thought it should be on everyones mind the need of security in airports! And any areas where the public gather I am sure if you had to clear up after a bombing you would not have such a cavalier attitude! !"
I immediately thought of the families who lost loved one's at 9/11 reading this. Any procedure that protects our liberty is something I would rather than not. If only there were such things to stop random terror attacks in towns etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The “Body Scanner” use millimetre waves and is less dangerous than ultraviolet light, it is non invasive and images are destroyed as soon as the agent clears the image.
In the UK you can opt out of the body scan but “I’d rather not” is a red flag and they will ensure that you and your luggage is clear and safe to get on the plane. You do have the option of opting out of all security searches but this does mean you do not get on the plane, you do have the choice.
Going through airport security is stressful and a pain in the arse but it does mean you land alive at your destination. |
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"I wouldn't opt out. I'm not sure why you would?
Strange you should ask that! It’s not illegal to opt out and nor do you have to give a reason but I’ll give you one - I’d rather not  "
Well done, I'm fully supportive of your actions.
There is way too much intrusion into our lives under the pretence of security. After being asked, by immigration where I was coming from at Heathrow. I asked them if they had considered Article 8 of the Human Rights Act before asking me that question. Clearly not knowing what I was talking about they trotted off to get a supervisor. Ended up with me making a formal complaint and involving my MP.
I wish more people would start to wake up as to how their civil are being eroded. It's nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do witha docile, servile and obedient population. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I spend enough time in airports without adding to it....
Anything thst makes the hideous queues at security quicker safer and less hassle is ok with me especially if I'm running late for boarding.
Feel free to exercise your rights if you do wish but recognise please the security people are only doing their job and are responsible for the secret of every one getting on every aircraft...
After all if they get it wrong it's not just your rights but the right to life of everyone else on that flight... |
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By *ANDA2Couple
over a year ago
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"At the end of the day it is for your security and the security of fellow passengers and after 9/11 I would of thought it should be on everyones mind the need of security in airports! And any areas where the public gather I am sure if you had to clear up after a bombing you would not have such a cavalier attitude! !
If it was a ‘necessity’ it would be ‘mandatory’. It’s not.
I also didn’t say I didn’t have a reason. I do but I’m not spending time at an airport debating it with airport staff and that’s what would happen if I gave it so stick with I’d rather not.
If it’s neccesary, make it mandatory. Until then, I’ll stick to my rights "
Going through security is 'mandatory'. A body scanner and detailed pat down achieve the same level of security
As you have demonstrated it takes at least two people 10 minutes to do what a body scanner does in 60 seconds. Hence why they introduced scanners to speed the process.
As for reason you stated in your post your only reason was ' because I'd rather not'. Now you say you have a valid reason which I'm sure is perfectly valid.
Unfortunately we live in a world where some bad peoples wish to do us harm. So anyone going outside the norm on airport security is going to get more detailed attention. And quite rightly imho.
So you stick to your rights and I'll stick to my rights to avoid being blown up in mid air. So I'm pleased they give people who opt out of the scanner a closer inspection- just to be on the safe side.
At the end of the day it's only a body scanner. Their not water boarding you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I wouldn't opt out. I'm not sure why you would?
Strange you should ask that! It’s not illegal to opt out and nor do you have to give a reason but I’ll give you one - I’d rather not
Well done, I'm fully supportive of your actions.
There is way too much intrusion into our lives under the pretence of security. After being asked, by immigration where I was coming from at Heathrow. I asked them if they had considered Article 8 of the Human Rights Act before asking me that question. Clearly not knowing what I was talking about they trotted off to get a supervisor. Ended up with me making a formal complaint and involving my MP.
I wish more people would start to wake up as to how their civil are being eroded. It's nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do witha docile, servile and obedient population."
I absolutely agree
We are being watched and tracked 24/7.
Its about keeping the plebs in their place
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Damn right they should make it difficult. If someone says they'd rather not, with no valid reason, I would hope security check that person even more thoroughly.
Of I was a terrorist intent on blowing up up a plane, I'd say, no I'd rather not. So those who do that should be checked and double checked.
I don't see how being checked is a breach of civil liberties.
I do understand why you were curious about why your details were being recorded. What happens to this information I wonder? |
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"If 'you'd rather not' you shouldn't then get annoyed because they either want to know why, or make you go through more rigorous checks. The body scanners are there assist in speeding security procedures up.
It’s not a legal requirement to disclose why, Happy with the rigorous checks I’m used to but seems to have got much worse like they’re trying to put people off. If it was mandatory find but it’s not. Putting my stuff through twice and going over it by hand is excessive when it had cleared the first check.
The thing I objected to most was taking my details and wanting to report the reason to the government. I’m not a criminal, just someone with rights. Worrying if that doesn’t concern anyone else tbh "
I totally get you LoubyLover
It's obvious the scare tactics of this day and age have people forgoing all sorts of rights in the name of 'safety and security'.
Yet how many times do we hear of gross failures after the fact despite numerous processes and procedures in place to restrict freedoms in the name of safety and security?
I don't think people should be so naïve to really believe anyone turning down a body scan is a threat... if anything they bring more attention to themselves and will never get through with anything as a result. So I disagree with the logic that it's a Red flag.
And once anyone exercises their rights and chooses to opt out of a body scan and is given the all clear then there's absolutely no need for a reason to be documented. But if the authorities want to keep details of non scanned individuals then why not the images of all those scanned too?
I think we do live in worrying times but people should be a bit more careful with throwing away their rights and freedoms. And stop viewing one another with suspicion.. especially if one person happens to want to exercise their rights instead of following the herd. There really isn't a crime in that.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think the Op has made a good point. If it's necessary then simply make it mandatory.
Our liberty is being eroded all the time, we should recognise that and be willing to stand up for rights because thats often the only handbrake in the spiral. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you don’t want to go through the scanners, then that’s your right.
Just don’t complain when they give you a thorough and time consuming security check instead |
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By *ocks99Man
over a year ago
Reading |
"Damn right they should make it difficult. If someone says they'd rather not, with no valid reason, I would hope security check that person even more thoroughly.
Of I was a terrorist intent on blowing up up a plane, I'd say, no I'd rather not. So those who do that should be checked and double checked.
I don't see how being checked is a breach of civil liberties.
I do understand why you were curious about why your details were being recorded. What happens to this information I wonder? "
The bad guys only need to get lucky once. The good guys have to get lucky every day. Suck it up or don't fly.
I used to fly often for work. Pre 911. In toetector shoes, I only didn't get pulled once. In Tel Aviv. Was expecting the full rubber glove experience :o |
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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I've never had any of this kind of problem. I almost always refuse because I don't like the thought of the random person behind the screen knowing I have intimate body piercings (they don't 'set off' the scanner alarm or the metal detectors or anything, but they show on the screens).
I've always just been patted down and sent on my way. No questions asked. Never had to give a reason, although I've been asked if there is anything I'd like to disclose (presumably at this point you can disclose if you're transgender and wearing prosthetics, or you have a metal implant or similar, or ask for a private room).
Never had to fill out a form. Never had to be patted down in a private room.
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While I am sure some of you are more experienced at flying, I'm pretty experienced having taken about 150 commercial airline flights.
Rule number 1. don't piss off security staff. They have it within their power to delay you, confiscate certain items and to generally put you in a bad mood. If you want a pleasant flight, be nice to security. They're only doing their job and let me tell you the probing questions and security procedures are far more tight in the USA.
That said, you do currently have the right in the UK to opt out of the body scanner. The government web page on your rights at the airport do say that you're likely to have a body search instead. If you're selected for a body scan, it's only logical that they'll want to do a body search if you decline. It's random, happens occasionally and is just one of those things those of us who travel by air will have to get used to.
I'm not sure why OP objects, but clearly enough people do object that currently you can still choose to decline. Just be aware that if the computer selects you for a body scan and you decline...the system still expects you to have a body search (ie with your clothes off).
Don't like it? Don't fly. Or petition your MP for a change in the rules.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The other day I said to the lady at security "at this rate it won't be long before we have to walk through naked". She looked me over from head to toe, got a wicked smile on her lips and winked at me.
Humour from an airport official. Whatever next....  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They offer the choice to the public!
If you choose not to go through the scanners and go the second option what's the problem? You get searched, they find nothing and you rejoin the other passengers.
No harm in asking why either, but to interrogate, and to shout out for all to hete "we've got an awkward twat here holding tbe plane up and we'll have to shut the whole fukin airport down" is bollocks
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"I wouldn't opt out. Why would you? Unless there is good reason. "
Unless you got something to hide.
Airport security is there for a reason, just put your jacket, wallet, watch, belt etc (anything else metallic) in the tray provided.
Don’t try to be awkward, and you should get through security quicker and less hassle to you and security |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I wouldn't opt out. Why would you? Unless there is good reason.
Unless you got something to hide.
Airport security is there for a reason, just put your jacket, wallet, watch, belt etc (anything else metallic) in the tray provided.
Don’t try to be awkward, and you should get through security quicker and less hassle to you and security "
I'll refer you to my first post ^^^ |
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By *oubyLover OP Woman
over a year ago
East Yorkshire |
To clarify some points above:
The body scanner - EVERYONE to going through it. It only used to be randomised or if you set of the metal scanners. I never set off the scanners, my things cleared rapiscan.
It’s not the enhanced check I objected to. It was being questioned like I was a criminal for opting out, for them being very loud and shutting down the whole line because I objected, making others look at me with suspicion. But the biggest one is taking my details to send to the government. I shall be looking into this more as th whether that’s a requirement, so far I’ve seen nothing to say this is required so overall sounds like an abuse of process.
I’ve opted out more times in the US than U.K. and had way better experience there.
And I’ll repeat an earlier point - if it’s so necessary and so safe why is it not mandatory?
Giving a reason to opt out is not mandatory.
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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I have to agree,maybe it should be mandatory. I didn't realise you could decline. No, I don't think they needed to treat you in that way, if we are allowed to refuse, but yes we should expect other checks, as in body searches, but don't understand the other procedures, about taking details etc. |
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"I wouldn't opt out. Why would you? Unless there is good reason.
Unless you got something to hide.
Airport security is there for a reason, just put your jacket, wallet, watch, belt etc (anything else metallic) in the tray provided.
Don’t try to be awkward, and you should get through security quicker and less hassle to you and security
I'll refer you to my first post ^^^ "
I’ll refer you back to my point.
Security have a job to do, there there for a reason.
Double checking is fine by me, especially with terrorism a real potential.
Basically just put almost everything (apart from the clothes your wearing) in the gray trays and you shouldn’t be put back through metal detector again.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just go through it without fuss. As for the we have rights and we should exercise them? Why not go fight a worthy cause instead of being cantankerous because you feel like it.
Airport security is intrusive by nature,and I think any form of questioning can make feel people uncomfortable. But it's meant to be probing and scrutinising in order to identify inconsistency.
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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"Do you opt out and go for the pat down instead?
I did today and fucking hell they want to make it difficult and time consuming and too invasive for people to do so. I questioned by the bloke I first said I’d rather not. He got his supervisor who started questioning me why - because I’d rather not doesn’t seem acceptable
I was told I’d have to be pat down in a private room, hmmm ok I’ve had it done publicly before but whatever. Supervisor said loudly stop the whole line of people going through we’ve got a private one
Another woman patted me down then did the metal detector thing in a room supervisor watching. Hmm good sorted. Not quite - Now for going through all your bags in detail - what?? They’ve gone through the machine, yes but you’ve declined the machine. Yes me not my bag but whatever..,
And finally we need your details please - why, because the government requires us to take information on anyone who opts out. Seriously?! Can I put a reason - yes because I’d rather not. Yes but I need a reason for the government. Ffs it’s not illegal I just choose not to!!
Are you late for your flight madam, no just incredibly pissed off!!
So would you opt out? Would all this palaver put you off taking your right to opt out? Should the government take details when it’s clear by the end your body and bags are perfectly clear of anything of risk?
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From my experience I can answer as follows.
I've worked in various Security Sectors including Transport Security & am trained to both DoT and International Maritime Security standards, of which many of the processes overlap into airline security.
You have the choice of search options. Scanners are far quicker but some people choose the Pat Down!
It all depends on how passengers deal with it & their behavioural reactions. Security Personnel are trained to handle all types of situations but if there is any hint of negativity or hostility on the part of any passenger, then the search is extended to fully include luggage etc. This is to rule out any potential security risk.
Equally, Airports and Seaports are governed in the UK by the Security Status Levels. So depending on whichever level it is set, can mean, say in Port Security, every passenger and vehicle is checked.
When I worked in transport security, it never failed to amaze me how many eejit passengers would come out with answers to Security queries with - "yeah, I didn't pack my luggage" OR "I'm carrying an explosive device for someone!"
These plonkers didn't board but were passed over immediately to Special Branch officers and many never got away that day.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"At the end of the day it is for your security and the security of fellow passengers and after 9/11 I would of thought it should be on everyones mind the need of security in airports! And any areas where the public gather I am sure if you had to clear up after a bombing you would not have such a cavalier attitude! !
If it was a ‘necessity’ it would be ‘mandatory’. It’s not.
I also didn’t say I didn’t have a reason. I do but I’m not spending time at an airport debating it with airport staff and that’s what would happen if I gave it so stick with I’d rather not.
If it’s neccesary, make it mandatory. Until then, I’ll stick to my rights
So put up with the consequences of your choice as well then. Not much point complaining about it. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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"At the end of the day it is for your security and the security of fellow passengers and after 9/11 I would of thought it should be on everyones mind the need of security in airports! And any areas where the public gather I am sure if you had to clear up after a bombing you would not have such a cavalier attitude! !
If it was a ‘necessity’ it would be ‘mandatory’. It’s not.
I also didn’t say I didn’t have a reason. I do but I’m not spending time at an airport debating it with airport staff and that’s what would happen if I gave it so stick with I’d rather not.
If it’s neccesary, make it mandatory. Until then, I’ll stick to my rights
Going through security is 'mandatory'. A body scanner and detailed pat down achieve the same level of security
As you have demonstrated it takes at least two people 10 minutes to do what a body scanner does in 60 seconds. Hence why they introduced scanners to speed the process.
As for reason you stated in your post your only reason was ' because I'd rather not'. Now you say you have a valid reason which I'm sure is perfectly valid.
Unfortunately we live in a world where some bad peoples wish to do us harm. So anyone going outside the norm on airport security is going to get more detailed attention. And quite rightly imho.
So you stick to your rights and I'll stick to my rights to avoid being blown up in mid air. So I'm pleased they give people who opt out of the scanner a closer inspection- just to be on the safe side.
At the end of the day it's only a body scanner. Their not water boarding you. "
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Yeah I would agree with the person who has worked in security.
I've seen people get a bit short-tempered in the queues for security, and sound a little agitated when asked something simple like "May I see your boarding pass, please?". These people are invariably pulled aside for further checks of their hand luggage, or pat downs regardless of whether they set the metal detectors off.
It doesn't take much....looking at security staff the wrong way, sounding a little pissed off or just weary of the situation...they are trained to pick up on that.
So...*if* OP exhibited any signs of being perturbed at being asked to go through the body scanner....she can guarantee the security bods will pick up on this. That's what they are trained to do.
Personally I've only had issues because I tend to have my carry-on bag full of cameras. Often my bag is selected for a manual search because it is literally full of photo gear, much of which is unfamiliar to the people who operate the x-ray. So I act pleasant, tell them it's cameras, lenses, film etc. Someone has a rummage around and I'm free to go.
I've seen people selected for manual bag searches throw their hands up in the air and ask why, or be a little angry....invariably they're now pulled for even more checks and given lectures about security.
I don't know if OP gave any signs of being upset, in a hurry, or anything else...but really....there's no way around airport security except not flying. |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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I have yet to go through airport security without being frisked. Every single time. The last time I flew off to Dublin I was patted down and she also tucked her fingers up under the wire in my bra! They usually just use a hand held beepy thing (official technical term). Rather safe than sorry I say, so I’m not complaining but it was a bit public.
I also had my bags swabbed for drugs and searched where they found 7 lipsticks! I didn’t even know I owned 7 lipsticks .. I can never find one when I want one they were inside a small handbag, inside my case, that I had used on my previous holiday  I talk about people that do that |
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By *oubyLover OP Woman
over a year ago
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"I don't know if OP gave any signs of being upset, in a hurry, or anything else...but really....there's no way around airport security except not flying."
No, at least not at first - I just said matter of fact 3 times I’d rather not. Supervisor getting all loud and shutting down the line because I wouldn’t give a reason other than what I said got the ball rolling but I was still pleasant.
I objected to them ‘reporting me’ to the government and I think quite rightly so. I did nothing wrong, submitted to all checks requested. I cleared the metal scanner, my things cleared x Ray. Body scanner is not mandatory and I have the right to opt out. I just think they should be more prepared for people to exercise that right and do it in a way that doesn’t abuse any process or seek to intimidate someone into going through it by embarrassing them or making others suffer.
One of the guys who got my stuff that had to be checked manually said is this all you have and I said yes, he kind of half laughed at the ridiculousness of it - one coat, one phone, one travel wallet, pair of shoes. Not like I had all my carry on to check but still they put it through twice and did the swipe thing. |
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By *lceeWoman
over a year ago
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Ok, so I’m a wee bit tinfoil hat when it comes to civil liberties, especially as I think they’re being eroded faster than Dubai’s islands.
I couldn’t care less about the body security scanner at an airport, but any time that I am asked a question by a public sector official that is my right not to answer and that I don’t want to answer, then I’ll refuse to answer.
However, I would then fully expect them to exercise their right in turn to question me closely and at length. It is their right to refuse travel privileges to anyone as the guards of borders and customs. So I have to remember that as I’m exercising my own rights.
Still, if they need a reason, then ‘I don’t want to’ is a perfectly good one. It’s like asking your mum’s reason for refusal if I ever wanted an extra cookie as a kid. Her response? ‘Because I said so.’ |
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"Personally I've only had issues because I tend to have my carry-on bag full of cameras. Often my bag is selected for a manual search because it is literally full of photo gear, much of which is unfamiliar to the people who operate the x-ray. So I act pleasant, tell them it's cameras, lenses, film etc. Someone has a rummage around and I'm free to go. "
The reson is that Camera Lenses are x-ray opaque, that and the amount of metal in camera bags makes it very difficult to see through the whole bag. If the x-ray operator cannot clear the bag then it goes for a search and swab - usually quick and painless experience all round. |
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"Personally I've only had issues because I tend to have my carry-on bag full of cameras. Often my bag is selected for a manual search because it is literally full of photo gear, much of which is unfamiliar to the people who operate the x-ray. So I act pleasant, tell them it's cameras, lenses, film etc. Someone has a rummage around and I'm free to go.
The reson is that Camera Lenses are x-ray opaque, that and the amount of metal in camera bags makes it very difficult to see through the whole bag. If the x-ray operator cannot clear the bag then it goes for a search and swab - usually quick and painless experience all round. "
Oh yes I understand and I don't mind. It's never cost me more than two minutes. The only thing is if a young employee is searching my film photography gear and does not understand that a mechanical camera cannot be turned on and has no display.
The one time I had an issue was when I had an under water housing in my carry on bag with the camera that goes In it in my checked luggage. They'd not seen anything like it, couldn't see a threat but also couldn't figure it's purpose. |
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If you're like me you probably get randomly picked for a pat down at every checkpoint you ever go through. Just one of those faces I guess. I started off feeling resentful and angry. But have since changed my approach. Just wink at the guy and say "you can touch me anywhere you like...... ducky". Its amazing how brief that pat down can get.
Is it illegal to start making salacious noises and saying under your breath "if you only knew how much this was turning me on...." ? |
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Frankly. I have no sympathy for your inconvenience if the only reason you are willing to disclose is ‘I’d rather not’. I’m also not surprised they made it inconvenient for you as you have made a choice that is inconvenient for th and if it moves staff away from the preferred process, it inconveniences others too.
If you have a deeply personal reason that is why you don’t wish to give the real reason then say that- they may have been more sympathetic. If it’s just a matter of personal principle - suck it up Buttercup |
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"I wouldn't opt out. Why would you? Unless there is good reason.
Unless you got something to hide.
Airport security is there for a reason, just put your jacket, wallet, watch, belt etc (anything else metallic) in the tray provided.
Don’t try to be awkward, and you should get through security quicker and less hassle to you and security
I'll refer you to my first post ^^^
I’ll refer you back to my point.
Security have a job to do, there there for a reason.
Double checking is fine by me, especially with terrorism a real potential.
Basically just put almost everything (apart from the clothes your wearing) in the gray trays and you shouldn’t be put back through metal detector again.
Easy"
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"Do you opt out and go for the pat down instead?
I did today and fucking hell they want to make it difficult and time consuming and too invasive for people to do so. I questioned by the bloke I first said I’d rather not. He got his supervisor who started questioning me why - because I’d rather not doesn’t seem acceptable
I was told I’d have to be pat down in a private room, hmmm ok I’ve had it done publicly before but whatever. Supervisor said loudly stop the whole line of people going through we’ve got a private one
Another woman patted me down then did the metal detector thing in a room supervisor watching. Hmm good sorted. Not quite - Now for going through all your bags in detail - what?? They’ve gone through the machine, yes but you’ve declined the machine. Yes me not my bag but whatever..,
And finally we need your details please - why, because the government requires us to take information on anyone who opts out. Seriously?! Can I put a reason - yes because I’d rather not. Yes but I need a reason for the government. Ffs it’s not illegal I just choose not to!!
Are you late for your flight madam, no just incredibly pissed off!!
So would you opt out? Would all this palaver put you off taking your right to opt out? Should the government take details when it’s clear by the end your body and bags are perfectly clear of anything of risk?
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The world is full of jumped up little arseholes who like to exercise some imagined power over others. Coppers, members of government at all levels, customs, blah blah blah.
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"The world is full of jumped up little arseholes who like to exercise some imagined power over others. Coppers, members of government at all levels, customs, blah blah blah.
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And jumped up little pricks who have chips on their shoulders, because they think they know best about something they probably know nothing about. |
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"If 'you'd rather not' you shouldn't then get annoyed because they either want to know why, or make you go through more rigorous checks. The body scanners are there assist in speeding security procedures up.
It’s not a legal requirement to disclose why, Happy with the rigorous checks I’m used to but seems to have got much worse like they’re trying to put people off. If it was mandatory find but it’s not. Putting my stuff through twice and going over it by hand is excessive when it had cleared the first check.
The thing I objected to most was taking my details and wanting to report the reason to the government. I’m not a criminal, just someone with rights. Worrying if that doesn’t concern anyone else tbh "
It is the DFT that has put in place those scanners, they want to know when someone doesn't want to use them.
What did you expect, you expected to voice your opinion and get the red carpet treatment. If you asked them directly why the did things more rigourously, you would not have been told it was due to you saying no to a body scan. |
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"The world is full of jumped up little arseholes who like to exercise some imagined power over others. Coppers, members of government at all levels, customs, blah blah blah.
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LOL! It's also full of people who hate the establishment and all it stands for until something happens that directly affects them, then they want to know why they didn't do more to stop it from happening.
Personally I'm very suspicious of people who baulk so severely against security measures. If you've nothing to hide why make such a fuss over it?
I have to go through an x-ray portal every day at work and an subject to random searches. Never had an issue with it because there is nothing they will find. |
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"I wouldn't opt out. I'm not sure why you would?
Strange you should ask that! It’s not illegal to opt out and nor do you have to give a reason but I’ll give you one - I’d rather not
Well done, I'm fully supportive of your actions.
There is way too much intrusion into our lives under the pretence of security. After being asked, by immigration where I was coming from at Heathrow. I asked them if they had considered Article 8 of the Human Rights Act before asking me that question. Clearly not knowing what I was talking about they trotted off to get a supervisor. Ended up with me making a formal complaint and involving my MP.
I wish more people would start to wake up as to how their civil are being eroded. It's nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do witha docile, servile and obedient population."
So did they advise you that Article 8 has exemptions in the interests of national security and public safety? |
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"The world is full of jumped up little arseholes who like to exercise some imagined power over others. Coppers, members of government at all levels, customs, blah blah blah.
LOL! It's also full of people who hate the establishment and all it stands for until something happens that directly affects them, then they want to know why they didn't do more to stop it from happening.
Personally I'm very suspicious of people who baulk so severely against security measures. If you've nothing to hide why make such a fuss over it?
I have to go through an x-ray portal every day at work and an subject to random searches. Never had an issue with it because there is nothing they will find. "
The standard like sheep trot out is that 'if you've nothing to hide then why would you mind'
I mind because i mind, nobody is somehow better than me and gets to search me..they can get fucked.
I don't go through customs anyhow so fuck em |
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"The world is full of jumped up little arseholes who like to exercise some imagined power over others. Coppers, members of government at all levels, customs, blah blah blah.
LOL! It's also full of people who hate the establishment and all it stands for until something happens that directly affects them, then they want to know why they didn't do more to stop it from happening.
Personally I'm very suspicious of people who baulk so severely against security measures. If you've nothing to hide why make such a fuss over it?
I have to go through an x-ray portal every day at work and an subject to random searches. Never had an issue with it because there is nothing they will find.
The standard like sheep trot out is that 'if you've nothing to hide then why would you mind'
I mind because i mind, nobody is somehow better than me and gets to search me..they can get fucked.
I don't go through customs anyhow so fuck em "
So you would be OK if a terrorist got through customs simply because they 'minded' being asked to go through a body scanner? You wouldn't call for more stringent checks and for the police to have done more? Because, after all...they didn't want to go through the scanner so that's OK on your world, you defend their right to opt out.
I absolutely have no issue being a sheep when it comes to my personal security and will continue to have my suspicions about those who refuse non invasive searches such as metal detectors and body scanners. |
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"The world is full of jumped up little arseholes who like to exercise some imagined power over others. Coppers, members of government at all levels, customs, blah blah blah.
LOL! It's also full of people who hate the establishment and all it stands for until something happens that directly affects them, then they want to know why they didn't do more to stop it from happening.
Personally I'm very suspicious of people who baulk so severely against security measures. If you've nothing to hide why make such a fuss over it?
I have to go through an x-ray portal every day at work and an subject to random searches. Never had an issue with it because there is nothing they will find.
The standard like sheep trot out is that 'if you've nothing to hide then why would you mind'
I mind because i mind, nobody is somehow better than me and gets to search me..they can get fucked.
I don't go through customs anyhow so fuck em "
Tough talking!! Except the likelihood is that it's you who's going to be told to do one, seeing as you want to to use transport infrastructure and government facilities, that provide safe travel. No likey system no usey system...simples. besudes it's a condition of entry to ports and airports....off you trot if you don't like it. |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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"The world is full of jumped up little arseholes who like to exercise some imagined power over others. Coppers, members of government at all levels, customs, blah blah blah.
LOL! It's also full of people who hate the establishment and all it stands for until something happens that directly affects them, then they want to know why they didn't do more to stop it from happening.
Personally I'm very suspicious of people who baulk so severely against security measures. If you've nothing to hide why make such a fuss over it?
I have to go through an x-ray portal every day at work and an subject to random searches. Never had an issue with it because there is nothing they will find.
The standard like sheep trot out is that 'if you've nothing to hide then why would you mind'
I mind because i mind, nobody is somehow better than me and gets to search me..they can get fucked.
I don't go through customs anyhow so fuck em "
Ok, if you don't wish to be included within the security check systems which are there to protect the vast majority of travellers, may I suggest you learn to swim, if you don't know already!
After all, as Britain is an island, all you have left holidays wise is to swim to your destination. |
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I guess if someone was going to use the opt out route as a way of doing something dodgy, they’d do a dry run first. See if there was any weak points etc. So I can see why they want your details even if you’re clean ... this time |
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Used to work airside and go through security on a daily basis. If the seach is quick, don't feel a thing but if was a newbie, would feel like they should have brought me dinner first lol they are doing their job and would rather they did a proper job and keep things safe than sorry |
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By *oubyLover OP Woman
over a year ago
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"Used to work airside and go through security on a daily basis. If the seach is quick, don't feel a thing but if was a newbie, would feel like they should have brought me dinner first lol they are doing their job and would rather they did a proper job and keep things safe than sorry"
Oh I never said I objected to the dinnerless pat down |
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By *yldstyleWoman
over a year ago
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Unfortunately there's many idiots in the world and it only takes one to cause devastation..
I think we all have a responsibility in keeping ourselves safe and we all have to accept that means checks are in place. I think they should be mandatory.
I don't particularly want to be dictated to or have big brother watch my every move, however I'd rather that than risk the alternatives. |
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In the UK you currently have the right to decline the body scanner....in which case you may well find yourself subjected to a body search involving removing your clothes.
You also have the right to avoid air travel.
Personally on the couple of occasions I've been asked...I go through the body scanner. The biggest inconvenience is that you must empty your pockets first. Which means my snotty hankies go through the x-ray machine. |
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"The “Body Scanner” use millimetre waves and is less dangerous than ultraviolet light, it is non invasive and images are destroyed as soon as the agent clears the image.
In the UK you can opt out of the body scan but “I’d rather not” is a red flag and they will ensure that you and your luggage is clear and safe to get on the plane. You do have the option of opting out of all security searches but this does mean you do not get on the plane, you do have the choice.
Going through airport security is stressful and a pain in the arse but it does mean you land alive at your destination."
Exactly. I can't see the point of being uncooperative for no good reason when the checks are only there for OUR safety! |
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"The “Body Scanner” use millimetre waves and is less dangerous than ultraviolet light, it is non invasive and images are destroyed as soon as the agent clears the image.
In the UK you can opt out of the body scan but “I’d rather not” is a red flag and they will ensure that you and your luggage is clear and safe to get on the plane. You do have the option of opting out of all security searches but this does mean you do not get on the plane, you do have the choice.
Going through airport security is stressful and a pain in the arse but it does mean you land alive at your destination.
Exactly. I can't see the point of being uncooperative for no good reason when the checks are only there for OUR safety! "
Yup, all of the above.
Unless you get the odd person who think there above all this.
Making things awkward for themselves and others, try not to make a scene out of security who are just doing their jobs and making airports as safe as possible for YOUR benefit. |
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It's fairly common in the USA to opt out and no big deal. You can also opt in to a trusted traveler scheme and bypass the lot.
I would have complained if I'd not felt that I was treated reasonably by security. They have a tough time but the public has a choice and we pay for their service. |
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"Do you opt out and go for the pat down instead?
I did today and fucking hell they want to make it difficult and time consuming and too invasive for people to do so. I questioned by the bloke I first said I’d rather not. He got his supervisor who started questioning me why - because I’d rather not doesn’t seem acceptable
All procedure, have to admit if I was one of the security guys I'd be suspicious of you too. Can't be too careful nowadays. And can't blame them. Passenger safety comes first.
I was told I’d have to be pat down in a private room, hmmm ok I’ve had it done publicly before but whatever. Supervisor said loudly stop the whole line of people going through we’ve got a private one
Another woman patted me down then did the metal detector thing in a room supervisor watching. Hmm good sorted. Not quite - Now for going through all your bags in detail - what?? They’ve gone through the machine, yes but you’ve declined the machine. Yes me not my bag but whatever..,
And finally we need your details please - why, because the government requires us to take information on anyone who opts out. Seriously?! Can I put a reason - yes because I’d rather not. Yes but I need a reason for the government. Ffs it’s not illegal I just choose not to!!
Are you late for your flight madam, no just incredibly pissed off!!
So would you opt out? Would all this palaver put you off taking your right to opt out? Should the government take details when it’s clear by the end your body and bags are perfectly clear of anything of risk?
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"Do you opt out and go for the pat down instead?
I did today and fucking hell they want to make it difficult and time consuming and too invasive for people to do so. I questioned by the bloke I first said I’d rather not. He got his supervisor who started questioning me why - because I’d rather not doesn’t seem acceptable
All procedure, have to admit if I was one of the security guys I'd be suspicious of you too. Can't be too careful nowadays. And can't blame them. Passenger safety comes first.
I was told I’d have to be pat down in a private room, hmmm ok I’ve had it done publicly before but whatever. Supervisor said loudly stop the whole line of people going through we’ve got a private one
Another woman patted me down then did the metal detector thing in a room supervisor watching. Hmm good sorted. Not quite - Now for going through all your bags in detail - what?? They’ve gone through the machine, yes but you’ve declined the machine. Yes me not my bag but whatever..,
And finally we need your details please - why, because the government requires us to take information on anyone who opts out. Seriously?! Can I put a reason - yes because I’d rather not. Yes but I need a reason for the government. Ffs it’s not illegal I just choose not to!!
Are you late for your flight madam, no just incredibly pissed off!!
So would you opt out? Would all this palaver put you off taking your right to opt out? Should the government take details when it’s clear by the end your body and bags are perfectly clear of anything of risk?
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"Unfortunately there's many idiots in the world and it only takes one to cause devastation..
I think we all have a responsibility in keeping ourselves safe and we all have to accept that means checks are in place. I think they should be mandatory.
I don't particularly want to be dictated to or have big brother watch my every move, however I'd rather that than risk the alternatives. "
Me too
I even had to go through a body scanner to enter Disneyland Paris, my bag was also scanned and occasionally looked into and i was gone over by a hand scanner ... it made me feel safe and i was happy to comply with their security measures. |
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By *ucy LewdWoman
over a year ago
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"Unfortunately there's many idiots in the world and it only takes one to cause devastation..
I think we all have a responsibility in keeping ourselves safe and we all have to accept that means checks are in place. I think they should be mandatory.
I don't particularly want to be dictated to or have big brother watch my every move, however I'd rather that than risk the alternatives.
Me too
I even had to go through a body scanner to enter Disneyland Paris, my bag was also scanned and occasionally looked into and i was gone over by a hand scanner ... it made me feel safe and i was happy to comply with their security measures."
I believe that 'an x-ray machine' is not the same as the body scanners that the OP is talking about. The new(ish) body scanners in airports present a representative picture of your body to the machine operator of the outline of your body, highlighting any 'unusual' things on it such as body piercings, chastity cages, etc. |
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"I wouldn't opt out. I'm not sure why you would?
Strange you should ask that! It’s not illegal to opt out and nor do you have to give a reason but I’ll give you one - I’d rather not
Well done, I'm fully supportive of your actions.
There is way too much intrusion into our lives under the pretence of security. After being asked, by immigration where I was coming from at Heathrow. I asked them if they had considered Article 8 of the Human Rights Act before asking me that question. Clearly not knowing what I was talking about they trotted off to get a supervisor. Ended up with me making a formal complaint and involving my MP.
I wish more people would start to wake up as to how their civil are being eroded. It's nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do witha docile, servile and obedient population."
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Am I the only one who likes getting frisked / padded down?
Rarely happens and I am certain that on the odd, lucky occasion I do manage to keep my poker face, every time!
But, I REALLY like getting touched, by an official, in an airport, on my clothes! |
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"The world is full of jumped up little arseholes who like to exercise some imagined power over others. Coppers, members of government at all levels, customs, blah blah blah.
LOL! It's also full of people who hate the establishment and all it stands for until something happens that directly affects them, then they want to know why they didn't do more to stop it from happening.
Personally I'm very suspicious of people who baulk so severely against security measures. If you've nothing to hide why make such a fuss over it?
I have to go through an x-ray portal every day at work and an subject to random searches. Never had an issue with it because there is nothing they will find.
The standard like sheep trot out is that 'if you've nothing to hide then why would you mind'
I mind because i mind, nobody is somehow better than me and gets to search me..they can get fucked.
I don't go through customs anyhow so fuck em
Ok, if you don't wish to be included within the security check systems which are there to protect the vast majority of travellers, may I suggest you learn to swim, if you don't know already!
After all, as Britain is an island, all you have left holidays wise is to swim to your destination."
It's quite possible to leave the country without customs and border checks without getting wet..... |
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