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Female chimps do not selectively mate. Meaning that if there was a 'fab chimps' there would be as many females as males and the profile text would be the same for all "looking for a chimp".
Conversely, female humans are fussy so and so's that like men to jump through all sorts of hoops which are generally meant to indicate good genes and a willingness towards parental responsibility, at the median level.
However, studies have shown that the types of men that women find attractive change during ovulation. Broadly speaking women prefer more masculine looking men during ovulation and vice versa. However, since the pill is so common and prevents ovulation, it presents a risk that men will deliberately feminise themselves to get chicks. Furthermore, when the women stop taking the pill (usually at a critical point in the relationship) they might then look at their partner with fresh eyes and think 'how the fuck did i end up with this Justin Bieber wanna-be?'. This could of course lead to societal breakdown and the coming of the armageddon.
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Does that mean you might be willing to try a chimp experiment and accept an offer from an interested male even if it is not what you looking for? All in the pursuit of science. If so drop me a PM.  |
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"What percentage of the female population who will at some point in the future conceive take the pill?
Quite a lot I'd imagine but i don't see the linkage to my point?"
The higher the percentage the higher the likelihood of societal breakdown and Armageddon.
I think if it did lead to societal breakdown in certain cultures it would lead to an increase in societies where contraception was used less. |
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"Female chimps do not selectively mate. Meaning that if there was a 'fab chimps' there would be as many females as males and the profile text would be the same for all "looking for a chimp".
Conversely, female humans are fussy so and so's that like men to jump through all sorts of hoops which are generally meant to indicate good genes and a willingness towards parental responsibility, at the median level.
However, studies have shown that the types of men that women find attractive change during ovulation. Broadly speaking women prefer more masculine looking men during ovulation and vice versa. However, since the pill is so common and prevents ovulation, it presents a risk that men will deliberately feminise themselves to get chicks. Furthermore, when the women stop taking the pill (usually at a critical point in the relationship) they might then look at their partner with fresh eyes and think 'how the fuck did i end up with this Justin Bieber wanna-be?'. This could of course lead to societal breakdown and the coming of the armageddon.
Discuss..."
It could well lead to the end of macho alpha males, future society being populated by men who have a more nurturing,soft centred approach to life.
This will of course,lead to the dismantling of all nuclear weapons and to toilet lids being closed. Thus preventing Armageddon,prolonging humankinds survival and controlling the spread of disease. |
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"What percentage of the female population who will at some point in the future conceive take the pill?
Quite a lot I'd imagine but i don't see the linkage to my point?
The higher the percentage the higher the likelihood of societal breakdown and Armageddon.
I think if it did lead to societal breakdown in certain cultures it would lead to an increase in societies where contraception was used less. "
Ah sorry i see, i read it the wrong way first time. I think the pill gives women the equivalent of 'beer goggles' so i guess the question is whether they continue with the guy they are with or cut their losses and head to the forest to try and find a lumberjack. |
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"Female chimps do not selectively mate. Meaning that if there was a 'fab chimps' there would be as many females as males and the profile text would be the same for all "looking for a chimp".
Conversely, female humans are fussy so and so's that like men to jump through all sorts of hoops which are generally meant to indicate good genes and a willingness towards parental responsibility, at the median level.
However, studies have shown that the types of men that women find attractive change during ovulation. Broadly speaking women prefer more masculine looking men during ovulation and vice versa. However, since the pill is so common and prevents ovulation, it presents a risk that men will deliberately feminise themselves to get chicks. Furthermore, when the women stop taking the pill (usually at a critical point in the relationship) they might then look at their partner with fresh eyes and think 'how the fuck did i end up with this Justin Bieber wanna-be?'. This could of course lead to societal breakdown and the coming of the armageddon.
Discuss...
It could well lead to the end of macho alpha males, future society being populated by men who have a more nurturing,soft centred approach to life.
This will of course,lead to the dismantling of all nuclear weapons and to toilet lids being closed. Thus preventing Armageddon,prolonging humankinds survival and controlling the spread of disease."
But the problem is more that the women won't fancy their mate once they stop taking the pill, so it's more likely to lead to divorce or serial monogamy than breeding out the alpha males. |
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"What percentage of the female population who will at some point in the future conceive take the pill?
Quite a lot I'd imagine but i don't see the linkage to my point?
The higher the percentage the higher the likelihood of societal breakdown and Armageddon.
I think if it did lead to societal breakdown in certain cultures it would lead to an increase in societies where contraception was used less.
Ah sorry i see, i read it the wrong way first time. I think the pill gives women the equivalent of 'beer goggles' so i guess the question is whether they continue with the guy they are with or cut their losses and head to the forest to try and find a lumberjack. "
It hasn't happened yet...or has it? Has there been a run on check shirts? 
Seriously I think there are too many variables to give a definite answer. It's interesting to ponder on the way that a development that is initially hailed as a great breakthrough can possibly change the course of society in ways not dreamt of. |
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"What percentage of the female population who will at some point in the future conceive take the pill?
Quite a lot I'd imagine but i don't see the linkage to my point?
The higher the percentage the higher the likelihood of societal breakdown and Armageddon.
I think if it did lead to societal breakdown in certain cultures it would lead to an increase in societies where contraception was used less.
Ah sorry i see, i read it the wrong way first time. I think the pill gives women the equivalent of 'beer goggles' so i guess the question is whether they continue with the guy they are with or cut their losses and head to the forest to try and find a lumberjack.
It hasn't happened yet...or has it? Has there been a run on check shirts?
Seriously I think there are too many variables to give a definite answer. It's interesting to ponder on the way that a development that is initially hailed as a great breakthrough can possibly change the course of society in ways not dreamt of."
This year my wife stopped taking the pill and the difference is incredible. There's no way i want her to go back on it again. I think i must have spent my entire 20's dating girls on the pill so i didn't really get a sense of how detrimental it can be. |
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"Female chimps do not selectively mate. Meaning that if there was a 'fab chimps' there would be as many females as males and the profile text would be the same for all "looking for a chimp".
Conversely, female humans are fussy so and so's that like men to jump through all sorts of hoops which are generally meant to indicate good genes and a willingness towards parental responsibility, at the median level.
However, studies have shown that the types of men that women find attractive change during ovulation. Broadly speaking women prefer more masculine looking men during ovulation and vice versa. However, since the pill is so common and prevents ovulation, it presents a risk that men will deliberately feminise themselves to get chicks. Furthermore, when the women stop taking the pill (usually at a critical point in the relationship) they might then look at their partner with fresh eyes and think 'how the fuck did i end up with this Justin Bieber wanna-be?'. This could of course lead to societal breakdown and the coming of the armageddon.
Discuss...
It could well lead to the end of macho alpha males, future society being populated by men who have a more nurturing,soft centred approach to life.
This will of course,lead to the dismantling of all nuclear weapons and to toilet lids being closed. Thus preventing Armageddon,prolonging humankinds survival and controlling the spread of disease.
But the problem is more that the women won't fancy their mate once they stop taking the pill, so it's more likely to lead to divorce or serial monogamy than breeding out the alpha males. "
Possibly,if women are likely to divorce or separate just because they no longer feel attracted.That isn't necessarily true though. And if that does happen,and the newly re-liberated woman goes back on the pill then the whole cycle could start all over again with the 'Justin Biebers' (as you put it) again being the more successful guys.
All dependent on the idea of women being so fickle that they base such decisions on physical attraction. Again,that is not necessarily so. |
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Oh lordy, living with you must be a laugh a minute
All least we can stop worrying about global warming now, this will ruin us far quicker"
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see that was always my point, it's not the one thing but the whole dammed crazy system... Were a fucked up species and me especially  .. When it gets that bad were fucking chimps, I'm outta here  |
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"What percentage of the female population who will at some point in the future conceive take the pill?
Quite a lot I'd imagine but i don't see the linkage to my point?
The higher the percentage the higher the likelihood of societal breakdown and Armageddon.
I think if it did lead to societal breakdown in certain cultures it would lead to an increase in societies where contraception was used less.
Ah sorry i see, i read it the wrong way first time. I think the pill gives women the equivalent of 'beer goggles' so i guess the question is whether they continue with the guy they are with or cut their losses and head to the forest to try and find a lumberjack.
It hasn't happened yet...or has it? Has there been a run on check shirts?
Seriously I think there are too many variables to give a definite answer. It's interesting to ponder on the way that a development that is initially hailed as a great breakthrough can possibly change the course of society in ways not dreamt of.
This year my wife stopped taking the pill and the difference is incredible. There's no way i want her to go back on it again. I think i must have spent my entire 20's dating girls on the pill so i didn't really get a sense of how detrimental it can be."
I agree it's a chemical libido cosh among other things. |
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"Female chimps do not selectively mate. Meaning that if there was a 'fab chimps' there would be as many females as males and the profile text would be the same for all "looking for a chimp".
Conversely, female humans are fussy so and so's that like men to jump through all sorts of hoops which are generally meant to indicate good genes and a willingness towards parental responsibility, at the median level.
However, studies have shown that the types of men that women find attractive change during ovulation. Broadly speaking women prefer more masculine looking men during ovulation and vice versa. However, since the pill is so common and prevents ovulation, it presents a risk that men will deliberately feminise themselves to get chicks. Furthermore, when the women stop taking the pill (usually at a critical point in the relationship) they might then look at their partner with fresh eyes and think 'how the fuck did i end up with this Justin Bieber wanna-be?'. This could of course lead to societal breakdown and the coming of the armageddon.
Discuss...
It could well lead to the end of macho alpha males, future society being populated by men who have a more nurturing,soft centred approach to life.
This will of course,lead to the dismantling of all nuclear weapons and to toilet lids being closed. Thus preventing Armageddon,prolonging humankinds survival and controlling the spread of disease.
But the problem is more that the women won't fancy their mate once they stop taking the pill, so it's more likely to lead to divorce or serial monogamy than breeding out the alpha males.
Possibly,if women are likely to divorce or separate just because they no longer feel attracted.That isn't necessarily true though. And if that does happen,and the newly re-liberated woman goes back on the pill then the whole cycle could start all over again with the 'Justin Biebers' (as you put it) again being the more successful guys.
All dependent on the idea of women being so fickle that they base such decisions on physical attraction. Again,that is not necessarily so."
You say fickle but what's the alternative; chimps. Women are selective and none of the other characteristics they select on will favour beta males. |
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Oh lordy, living with you must be a laugh a minute
All least we can stop worrying about global warming now, this will ruin us far quicker.
see that was always my point, it's not the one thing but the whole dammed crazy system... Were a fucked up species and me especially .. When it gets that bad were fucking chimps, I'm outta here "
Well at least they don't have a long list of demands...
The problem is that the alpha chimps accept the fact that the females are DTF and so they guard them from the chimps lower in the hierarchy. So whilst you think a chimp might be an easy alternative to sending 100 messages on here to get 1 reply, you could also end up with an alpha chimp sorting you out. They are strong fuckers too |
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Although to be honest the estrogen in the water supply is feminising men... Hence the rapid rise in testicular cancer, male breast cancer, falling sperm count and those stupid tight legged baggy arsed jeans |
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"What percentage of the female population who will at some point in the future conceive take the pill?
Quite a lot I'd imagine but i don't see the linkage to my point?
The higher the percentage the higher the likelihood of societal breakdown and Armageddon.
I think if it did lead to societal breakdown in certain cultures it would lead to an increase in societies where contraception was used less.
Ah sorry i see, i read it the wrong way first time. I think the pill gives women the equivalent of 'beer goggles' so i guess the question is whether they continue with the guy they are with or cut their losses and head to the forest to try and find a lumberjack.
It hasn't happened yet...or has it? Has there been a run on check shirts?
Seriously I think there are too many variables to give a definite answer. It's interesting to ponder on the way that a development that is initially hailed as a great breakthrough can possibly change the course of society in ways not dreamt of.
This year my wife stopped taking the pill and the difference is incredible. There's no way i want her to go back on it again. I think i must have spent my entire 20's dating girls on the pill so i didn't really get a sense of how detrimental it can be."
But women found you attractive (and presumably still do) despite being on the pill and despite you not being a feminized Justin Bieber wannabe.
So,it's proved that women on the pill do still fancy alpha males and are prepared to stick with them despite they leave the loo seat up.Society can go back to worrying about nuclear war,global warming and who Prince Harry is taking home to meet the in laws.
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*Boring answer alert*
Whilst it's obviously plausible that hormone changes will affect who people are attracted to, given this is a single study of only 100 women I think it's a little early to panic. |
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Interesting thread... But there's more to consider than just wanton use of the pill... What about all the synthetic female hormones which end up in our water supply through our pee? We're not all blessed with fresh Scottish water and the water treatment process doesn't completely eliminate the molecules.
Add to this the many many ways we are exposed to pseudo-estrogens (just think of plastic use in the food/drink industry)... So the male population will become more feminised and it'll impact fertility rates more than by just affecting attraction! |
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Fascinating question. Unsure on the answer, but on a weirdly related note...
It's been proven that cesarean sections are having an adverse affect. Something to do with women's hip width no longer being a determining factor on child birth, and by extension, passing the hip width to the next generation.
Weird, but true. |
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"What percentage of the female population who will at some point in the future conceive take the pill?
Quite a lot I'd imagine but i don't see the linkage to my point?
The higher the percentage the higher the likelihood of societal breakdown and Armageddon.
I think if it did lead to societal breakdown in certain cultures it would lead to an increase in societies where contraception was used less.
Ah sorry i see, i read it the wrong way first time. I think the pill gives women the equivalent of 'beer goggles' so i guess the question is whether they continue with the guy they are with or cut their losses and head to the forest to try and find a lumberjack.
It hasn't happened yet...or has it? Has there been a run on check shirts?
Seriously I think there are too many variables to give a definite answer. It's interesting to ponder on the way that a development that is initially hailed as a great breakthrough can possibly change the course of society in ways not dreamt of.
This year my wife stopped taking the pill and the difference is incredible. There's no way i want her to go back on it again. I think i must have spent my entire 20's dating girls on the pill so i didn't really get a sense of how detrimental it can be.
But women found you attractive (and presumably still do) despite being on the pill and despite you not being a feminized Justin Bieber wannabe.
So,it's proved that women on the pill do still fancy alpha males and are prepared to stick with them despite they leave the loo seat up.Society can go back to worrying about nuclear war,global warming and who Prince Harry is taking home to meet the in laws.
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No i wore ripped jeans to get chicks. I was in my 20's, give me a break! |
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"Interesting thread... But there's more to consider than just wanton use of the pill... What about all the synthetic female hormones which end up in our water supply through our pee? We're not all blessed with fresh Scottish water and the water treatment process doesn't completely eliminate the molecules.
Add to this the many many ways we are exposed to pseudo-estrogens (just think of plastic use in the food/drink industry)... So the male population will become more feminised and it'll impact fertility rates more than by just affecting attraction! "
Birth rates are in long term decline and below replenishment levels as well... |
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"Fascinating question. Unsure on the answer, but on a weirdly related note...
It's been proven that cesarean sections are having an adverse affect. Something to do with women's hip width no longer being a determining factor on child birth, and by extension, passing the hip width to the next generation.
Weird, but true. "
Yes, womens hips have been getting narrower for a long time, basically since we started walking upright |
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"Fascinating question. Unsure on the answer, but on a weirdly related note...
It's been proven that cesarean sections are having an adverse affect. Something to do with women's hip width no longer being a determining factor on child birth, and by extension, passing the hip width to the next generation.
Weird, but true. "
So because women are having more c sections...wide 'child bearing' hips will be less a factor when finding a partner?
And future generations will have narrower hips? |
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"What percentage of the female population who will at some point in the future conceive take the pill?
Quite a lot I'd imagine but i don't see the linkage to my point?
The higher the percentage the higher the likelihood of societal breakdown and Armageddon.
I think if it did lead to societal breakdown in certain cultures it would lead to an increase in societies where contraception was used less.
Ah sorry i see, i read it the wrong way first time. I think the pill gives women the equivalent of 'beer goggles' so i guess the question is whether they continue with the guy they are with or cut their losses and head to the forest to try and find a lumberjack.
It hasn't happened yet...or has it? Has there been a run on check shirts?
Seriously I think there are too many variables to give a definite answer. It's interesting to ponder on the way that a development that is initially hailed as a great breakthrough can possibly change the course of society in ways not dreamt of.
This year my wife stopped taking the pill and the difference is incredible. There's no way i want her to go back on it again. I think i must have spent my entire 20's dating girls on the pill so i didn't really get a sense of how detrimental it can be.
But women found you attractive (and presumably still do) despite being on the pill and despite you not being a feminized Justin Bieber wannabe.
So,it's proved that women on the pill do still fancy alpha males and are prepared to stick with them despite they leave the loo seat up.Society can go back to worrying about nuclear war,global warming and who Prince Harry is taking home to meet the in laws.
No i wore ripped jeans to get chicks. I was in my 20's, give me a break!"
And now your Mrs has come off the pill,realises how lucky she is and wants you even more? And she's wearing you out? There could be something in what you say then. |
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Regarding the pill...
Maybe. It's seems like a reasonable conclusion to draw from the comments you've made, however...
I suspect that changing gender ideals and expectations since the early modern period up until the fin de siecle are as much to blame. Women have, historically speaking, had a rough time for the last few hundred years. The pill is, in my view, merely the latest iteration of controlling those dangerous women (insert sarcastic tone). The feminisation of men is an interesting thought though. Are men being feminised, or have they been historically massculinised to the point of being 1 dimensional?
Great topic. |
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"What percentage of the female population who will at some point in the future conceive take the pill?
Quite a lot I'd imagine but i don't see the linkage to my point?
The higher the percentage the higher the likelihood of societal breakdown and Armageddon.
I think if it did lead to societal breakdown in certain cultures it would lead to an increase in societies where contraception was used less.
Ah sorry i see, i read it the wrong way first time. I think the pill gives women the equivalent of 'beer goggles' so i guess the question is whether they continue with the guy they are with or cut their losses and head to the forest to try and find a lumberjack.
It hasn't happened yet...or has it? Has there been a run on check shirts?
Seriously I think there are too many variables to give a definite answer. It's interesting to ponder on the way that a development that is initially hailed as a great breakthrough can possibly change the course of society in ways not dreamt of.
This year my wife stopped taking the pill and the difference is incredible. There's no way i want her to go back on it again. I think i must have spent my entire 20's dating girls on the pill so i didn't really get a sense of how detrimental it can be.
But women found you attractive (and presumably still do) despite being on the pill and despite you not being a feminized Justin Bieber wannabe.
So,it's proved that women on the pill do still fancy alpha males and are prepared to stick with them despite they leave the loo seat up.Society can go back to worrying about nuclear war,global warming and who Prince Harry is taking home to meet the in laws.
No i wore ripped jeans to get chicks. I was in my 20's, give me a break!
And now your Mrs has come off the pill,realises how lucky she is and wants you even more? And she's wearing you out? There could be something in what you say then."
Basically yeah. Either that or she's got a new boyfriend who is responsible for her sex drive going through the roof. Not sure why she wouldn't tell me if she did... |
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"Fascinating question. Unsure on the answer, but on a weirdly related note...
It's been proven that cesarean sections are having an adverse affect. Something to do with women's hip width no longer being a determining factor on child birth, and by extension, passing the hip width to the next generation.
Weird, but true.
So because women are having more c sections...wide 'child bearing' hips will be less a factor when finding a partner?
And future generations will have narrower hips?"
Sort of. Children/women that would have previously perished due to narrow hips no longer do, meaning that the c-section becomes ever more important, and thus the shape of women changes. What is considered attractive runs parallel to this, bit is not necessarily defined by it. |
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Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..  |
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"Regarding the pill...
Maybe. It's seems like a reasonable conclusion to draw from the comments you've made, however...
I suspect that changing gender ideals and expectations since the early modern period up until the fin de siecle are as much to blame. Women have, historically speaking, had a rough time for the last few hundred years. The pill is, in my view, merely the latest iteration of controlling those dangerous women (insert sarcastic tone). The feminisation of men is an interesting thought though. Are men being feminised, or have they been historically massculinised to the point of being 1 dimensional?
Great topic. "
Yeah we could fill 178 posts (when a thread gets closed) pretty easily discussing that! |
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"Well men are becoming more feminine, and birth rates are falling."
Yeah but correlation and causation ate different things.
Using that logic, I could say that as 'take that' record sales decrease, birth rate are dropping, thus more 'take that' = more births. |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding.. "
Just to contrast. Some people don't seem to fully grasp that female humans are selective breeders. Both in terms of women that claim to choose primarily on personality (yeah right) and 40 year old men who moan that nobody wants to shag them in their parents basement. |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding.. "
Break into the zoo late at night.
You might want to bear in mind the chimps are massively strong compared to humans so,you may not have a choice in what happens in that cage. |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..
Break into the zoo late at night.
You might want to bear in mind the chimps are massively strong compared to humans so,you may not have a choice in what happens in that cage."
And the alpha male chimps are going to blame you and not the female, just to be clear |
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I dunno. On and off the pill I prefer slightly less masculine men. Always have done. Just gone on the mini-pill though after a few years off hormonal contraception - I wonder if it'll have an influence? Watch this space... |
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"Well I always believed that the pill allowed women to be something more than a baby factory, and for her to have MORE sex due to not needing to worth about getting pregnant.
Cal"
It's not one or the other though. It makes sex less risky but also reduces their appetite for sex and changes their preferences for who they want sex with. Complicated beings they are... |
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"Well I always believed that the pill allowed women to be something more than a baby factory, and for her to have MORE sex due to not needing to worth about getting pregnant.
Cal"
Shush you, that doesn't fit the narrative.
(I wouldn't have sex if I didn't have contraception. I would just abstain.) |
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"Well men are becoming more feminine, and birth rates are falling.
Yeah but correlation and causation ate different things.
Using that logic, I could say that as 'take that' record sales decrease, birth rate are dropping, thus more 'take that' = more births. "
But the fall in birth rates happened around take thats time, Id well believe they played a part in making feminine men more acceptable and fashionable to the females. |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..
Just to contrast. Some people don't seem to fully grasp that female humans are selective breeders. Both in terms of women that claim to choose primarily on personality (yeah right) and 40 year old men who moan that nobody wants to shag them in their parents basement. "
..well..i understand that...i gotta paint the walls..do it up a bit...
But to actually attempt to address the discussion , society has changed exponentially recently, in terms of social awareness and exposure for 'types' that in the past were somewhat shunned and victimised. I dont doubt that in 10 years time tastes will have changed again and the neanderthal will have his reign again..  |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..
Break into the zoo late at night.
You might want to bear in mind the chimps are massively strong compared to humans so,you may not have a choice in what happens in that cage."
..maybe im 'bi' chimp.. |
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"Well men are becoming more feminine, and birth rates are falling.
Yeah but correlation and causation ate different things.
Using that logic, I could say that as 'take that' record sales decrease, birth rate are dropping, thus more 'take that' = more births.
But the fall in birth rates happened around take thats time, Id well believe they played a part in making feminine men more acceptable and fashionable to the females."
And that bastard Bieber... |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..
Break into the zoo late at night.
You might want to bear in mind the chimps are massively strong compared to humans so,you may not have a choice in what happens in that cage.
..maybe im 'bi' chimp.. "
Then 'take lube' would be my advice |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..
Just to contrast. Some people don't seem to fully grasp that female humans are selective breeders. Both in terms of women that claim to choose primarily on personality (yeah right) and 40 year old men who moan that nobody wants to shag them in their parents basement.
..well..i understand that...i gotta paint the walls..do it up a bit...
But to actually attempt to address the discussion , society has changed exponentially recently, in terms of social awareness and exposure for 'types' that in the past were somewhat shunned and victimised. I dont doubt that in 10 years time tastes will have changed again and the neanderthal will have his reign again.. "
I would argue that fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman. There really aren't many billionaires with unattractive wives and there are many very unattractive wealthy men with very attractive wives, Harvey Weinstein being a prime example. |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..
Just to contrast. Some people don't seem to fully grasp that female humans are selective breeders. Both in terms of women that claim to choose primarily on personality (yeah right) and 40 year old men who moan that nobody wants to shag them in their parents basement.
..well..i understand that...i gotta paint the walls..do it up a bit...
But to actually attempt to address the discussion , society has changed exponentially recently, in terms of social awareness and exposure for 'types' that in the past were somewhat shunned and victimised. I dont doubt that in 10 years time tastes will have changed again and the neanderthal will have his reign again..
I would argue that fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman. There really aren't many billionaires with unattractive wives and there are many very unattractive wealthy men with very attractive wives, Harvey Weinstein being a prime example. "
That's a pretty misogynistic statement to make, to be honest. |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..
Just to contrast. Some people don't seem to fully grasp that female humans are selective breeders. Both in terms of women that claim to choose primarily on personality (yeah right) and 40 year old men who moan that nobody wants to shag them in their parents basement.
..well..i understand that...i gotta paint the walls..do it up a bit...
But to actually attempt to address the discussion , society has changed exponentially recently, in terms of social awareness and exposure for 'types' that in the past were somewhat shunned and victimised. I dont doubt that in 10 years time tastes will have changed again and the neanderthal will have his reign again..
I would argue that fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman. There really aren't many billionaires with unattractive wives and there are many very unattractive wealthy men with very attractive wives, Harvey Weinstein being a prime example.
That's a pretty misogynistic statement to make, to be honest."
It's a factually accurate statement proved by multiple studies. Sorry it doesn't fit your narratives but please stop with the constant labels. |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..
Break into the zoo late at night.
You might want to bear in mind the chimps are massively strong compared to humans so,you may not have a choice in what happens in that cage.
And the alpha male chimps are going to blame you and not the female, just to be clear"
Don't make them angry,You won't like them when they are angry. Just grit your teeth and bear it. |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..
Just to contrast. Some people don't seem to fully grasp that female humans are selective breeders. Both in terms of women that claim to choose primarily on personality (yeah right) and 40 year old men who moan that nobody wants to shag them in their parents basement.
..well..i understand that...i gotta paint the walls..do it up a bit...
But to actually attempt to address the discussion , society has changed exponentially recently, in terms of social awareness and exposure for 'types' that in the past were somewhat shunned and victimised. I dont doubt that in 10 years time tastes will have changed again and the neanderthal will have his reign again..
I would argue that fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman. There really aren't many billionaires with unattractive wives and there are many very unattractive wealthy men with very attractive wives, Harvey Weinstein being a prime example.
That's a pretty misogynistic statement to make, to be honest."
In reality society is much more diverse than we want to admit...but trends and fashion will influence partner choice as much as anything, and we are in the biebertrophic phase at the minute.. |
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"Should I admit I'm finding this thread interesting, amusing and full of hotties?
Just the Saturday evening entertainment needed as I wait in a freezing Scottish train station for my ride home "
Not going to Edinburgh zoo to check out the chimps are you? |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..
Break into the zoo late at night.
You might want to bear in mind the chimps are massively strong compared to humans so,you may not have a choice in what happens in that cage.
And the alpha male chimps are going to blame you and not the female, just to be clear
Don't make them angry,You won't like them when they are angry. Just grit your teeth and bear it."
..me and the chimps will get on fine...i think we may be related.. |
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"Should I admit I'm finding this thread interesting, amusing and full of hotties?
Just the Saturday evening entertainment needed as I wait in a freezing Scottish train station for my ride home
Not going to Edinburgh zoo to check out the chimps are you?"
Haha brilliant... |
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"Sorry..dont mean to hijack the thread..and i am certain given the cerebral breed on fab the discussion is fascinating...but how does one convert to 'chimpdome' and avail of this non-selective breeding..
Break into the zoo late at night.
You might want to bear in mind the chimps are massively strong compared to humans so,you may not have a choice in what happens in that cage.
And the alpha male chimps are going to blame you and not the female, just to be clear
Don't make them angry,You won't like them when they are angry. Just grit your teeth and bear it."
I'm not sure there are gay chimps? There are gay bonobos. |
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"Should I admit I'm finding this thread interesting, amusing and full of hotties?
Just the Saturday evening entertainment needed as I wait in a freezing Scottish train station for my ride home "
..its good isnt it..and i only came in here to start the saturday 5pm to 6.39pm saturday fab a pic thread!! |
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"Should I admit I'm finding this thread interesting, amusing and full of hotties?
Just the Saturday evening entertainment needed as I wait in a freezing Scottish train station for my ride home
..its good isnt it..and i only came in here to start the saturday 5pm to 6.39pm saturday fab a pic thread!! "
It is... You never needed that thread to get your fabs after all |
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Find a lumberjack type to settle down with before you go on the pill, dress him in pink through your pill taking years, then when you come out the other side, there's still a hunk waiting for you ? |
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It's a factually accurate statement proved by multiple studies.
What are some of these studies? "
I'll tell you after the thread is closed. Not in the mood for a feckinh feminism debate right now. |
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"Find a lumberjack type to settle down with before you go on the pill, dress him in pink through your pill taking years, then when you come out the other side, there's still a hunk waiting for you ? "
I think there's something hot about a lumberjack with a pink bow in his hair |
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"Find a lumberjack type to settle down with before you go on the pill, dress him in pink through your pill taking years, then when you come out the other side, there's still a hunk waiting for you ?
I think there's something hot about a lumberjack with a pink bow in his hair"
Does he 'hang around in bars'? |
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"Find a lumberjack type to settle down with before you go on the pill, dress him in pink through your pill taking years, then when you come out the other side, there's still a hunk waiting for you ?
I think there's something hot about a lumberjack with a pink bow in his hair"
He'd have to grow a floppy fringe |
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I think there's something hot about a lumberjack with a pink bow in his hair
Does he 'hang around in bars'? "
Yeah, his favourite stool is near the toilets |
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"I think the pill destroys women's sex drive. Hence why so many frustrated men on here and so few women. "
I'll agree with that. I really wouldn't want to go back on it now. It made a massive difference to mine. |
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"Not armageddon but this is ensuring that only masculine men will be reproducing with these women. The human race is strengthening"
It's not though. Inevitably some women will just mate with the beta male they find themselves with the way some men will have a morning romp even when the beer goggles wear off. |
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"Not armageddon but this is ensuring that only masculine men will be reproducing with these women. The human race is strengthening"
Assuming that 'masculine' means strong - which I'm not sure it does.
Also assumes that physical strength is paramount, which again, it's not. |
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"Female chimps do not selectively mate. Meaning that if there was a 'fab chimps' there would be as many females as males and the profile text would be the same for all "looking for a chimp".
Conversely, female humans are fussy so and so's that like men to jump through all sorts of hoops which are generally meant to indicate good genes and a willingness towards parental responsibility, at the median level.
However, studies have shown that the types of men that women find attractive change during ovulation. Broadly speaking women prefer more masculine looking men during ovulation and vice versa. However, since the pill is so common and prevents ovulation, it presents a risk that men will deliberately feminise themselves to get chicks. Furthermore, when the women stop taking the pill (usually at a critical point in the relationship) they might then look at their partner with fresh eyes and think 'how the fuck did i end up with this Justin Bieber wanna-be?'. This could of course lead to societal breakdown and the coming of the armageddon.
Discuss..."
I'd suggest that female humans are less selective than their socialized behaviour suggests.
Women being 'hard to get' or 'selective' has more to do with conditioning than nature.
IMNSHO |
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I'd suggest that female humans are less selective than their socialized behaviour suggests.
Women being 'hard to get' or 'selective' has more to do with conditioning than nature.
IMNSHO"
Why do you think that? Human babies are one of the most demanding of all the species, second only to pandas as i see it. It makes sense that women would be selective given the effort that babies take. |
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I'd suggest that female humans are less selective than their socialized behaviour suggests.
Women being 'hard to get' or 'selective' has more to do with conditioning than nature.
IMNSHO
Why do you think that? Human babies are one of the most demanding of all the species, second only to pandas as i see it. It makes sense that women would be selective given the effort that babies take. "
Tosh ...... Many people pair off for fear of being alone or the boast of having a partner. I've seen women have countless men who I consider nothing more than fucking knuckle pavement scrapers. It's a man.
It makes sense that an intelligent woman who has her eyes on her own future , needs and wants will be selective. |
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I dunno I think alot of women have their children with the alpha but get the beta to raise it as his own!.
This ensures they get good genes with the good parenting skills.... Controversial, but meh |
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I'd suggest that female humans are less selective than their socialized behaviour suggests.
Women being 'hard to get' or 'selective' has more to do with conditioning than nature.
IMNSHO
Why do you think that? Human babies are one of the most demanding of all the species, second only to pandas as i see it. It makes sense that women would be selective given the effort that babies take.
Tosh ...... Many people pair off for fear of being alone or the boast of having a partner. I've seen women have countless men who I consider nothing more than fucking knuckle pavement scrapers. It's a man.
It makes sense that an intelligent woman who has her eyes on her own future , needs and wants will be selective. "
So historically women had much greater reason to be selective than now, i accept that. But that manifests itself in baises that are still very noticeable today (e.g. female preference for male height). I get what you are saying but i think thats a sub-set of people not at the average level. |
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This ensures they get good genes with the good parenting skills.... Controversial, but meh "
Read Sex at Dawn..... it's not controversial. |
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This ensures they get good genes with the good parenting skills.... Controversial, but meh "
Thats the beauty of serial monogamy isn't it |
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"and then again ......... she might just fuck a neanderthal for the sheer joy of brainless masculinity.....
You make humanity too simple in your analysis...
it's complicated man , complicated."
Maybe hips are getting smaller to reduce the number of brainless Neanderthal types than can be born through them? |
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"I dunno I think alot of women have their children with the alpha but get the beta to raise it as his own!.
This ensures they get good genes with the good parenting skills.... Controversial, but meh
Read Sex at Dawn..... it's not controversial. "
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25 years ago midwife's used to pass on genetic traits in conversation like.... Oh you've both got blue eyes or oh your both o negative.
They don't anymore |
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"Im going for a bath .... cos im having sex with an alpha in an hour.
Was I choosy ............ christ yes. Huge cock , non commital. Perfect "
Say "make love to me... monkey man" in your best russian accent |
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"I dunno I think alot of women have their children with the alpha but get the beta to raise it as his own!.
This ensures they get good genes with the good parenting skills.... Controversial, but meh
Read Sex at Dawn..... it's not controversial. .
25 years ago midwife's used to pass on genetic traits in conversation like.... Oh you've both got blue eyes or oh your both o negative.
They don't anymore "
It's also standard procedure for health visitor's to ask new mothers if the man of the house is really the father of the baby, since it's a risk factor for domestic violence |
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" When you say society are you just talking about western society? Or are you including asia, africa, and the middle East? "
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What with all the BBC in Africa!! |
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By *alcon43Woman
over a year ago
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To address an issue that hasn’t been discussed, the pill or any form of contraception allows women more freedom to have sex without the risk of pregnancy. I have found it more liberating but still use condoms.
My libido hasn’t been affected by the coil. In fact if it wasn’t for other health issues I’d be playing more. I wonder about the age of the women surveyed as hormone levels do fluctuate with age.
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I don't agree, I believe the pill is very important because it gives serious minded guys and girls the opportunity to plan and avoid getting trapped.
When it comes to guys being feminine this has been a problem for a long time because they feel that is the only way to get the girls and probably that is the way they were brought up.
Several times on the thread I have to literally tell guys not to throw insults and not to wear their emotions on their sleeves, a man should never be emotional and should always be a thinker, he must be able to see a problem before it happens and therefore have the ability to lead a family. If you disagree with someone engage them intellectually, in a civil manner , this is the masculine way.
I am happy that the ladies are pointing out they do not like this femine behaviour in guys, especially when they get into a serious relationship.
Great thread , thanks Op. |
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The advent of the pill has moved sex from procreation to recreation. This has empowered women to make choices they previously may have been unwilling or unable to make.
Trying to find a scientific reason why a woman may prefer one type of man to another at any particular time due to hormones is neither here or there. The money spent on irrelevant issues like this would be better spent on curing cancer. |
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"The advent of the pill has moved sex from procreation to recreation. This has empowered women to make choices they previously may have been unwilling or unable to make.
Trying to find a scientific reason why a woman may prefer one type of man to another at any particular time due to hormones is neither here or there. The money spent on irrelevant issues like this would be better spent on curing cancer."
Or getting me a bigger pair of tits. |
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"The advent of the pill has moved sex from procreation to recreation. This has empowered women to make choices they previously may have been unwilling or unable to make.
Trying to find a scientific reason why a woman may prefer one type of man to another at any particular time due to hormones is neither here or there. The money spent on irrelevant issues like this would be better spent on curing cancer.
Or getting me a bigger pair of tits."
not gonna cure cancer for 5grand. may as well get the boob job. |
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It's a factually accurate statement proved by multiple studies.
What are some of these studies? "
"What makes you click: an empirical analysis of online dating" (2005) Hitsch, Hortacsu & Ariely.
Please spare me the generic bunch of criticisms about the study about sample size and online / offline just because it conflicts with your ideology. 8/10 university professors are "left wing" so there's a lot of built in bais about what does and doesn't get published these days. The quality of the authors speaks for themselves if you know who they are. |
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Interesting topic and enjoyed reading it. My hubby looks like the stereotypical alpha male (but has very high intellect). He'd be fascinated by all this as he's often commented on how "feminine" men have generally become over the past 25 years or so. He also believes, for one reason or another it has almost become "fashionable" to be gay.
He thinks there are several reasons, not least the power of television (which would have you believe that gay people represent a far greater % of society than they actually do - watch any soap for such evidence!) and the vulnerability of people to marketing ploys - he often says "men/footballers using moisturiser!!" and observes how men managed without such cosmetics for tens of thousands of years.
He says it's got to the stage where he has to prove he's not a Neanderthal to any new people at work, for example, simply because he looks like an alpha male.
His view also is that feminine/gay men are getting promoted easier in the workplace.
By the way, please note we have no phobias at all (you'll appreciate that from profile) - these are the genuine observations of an intelligent alpha male. |
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"Interesting topic and enjoyed reading it. My hubby looks like the stereotypical alpha male (but has very high intellect). He'd be fascinated by all this as he's often commented on how "feminine" men have generally become over the past 25 years or so. He also believes, for one reason or another it has almost become "fashionable" to be gay.
He thinks there are several reasons, not least the power of television (which would have you believe that gay people represent a far greater % of society than they actually do - watch any soap for such evidence!) and the vulnerability of people to marketing ploys - he often says "men/footballers using moisturiser!!" and observes how men managed without such cosmetics for tens of thousands of years.
He says it's got to the stage where he has to prove he's not a Neanderthal to any new people at work, for example, simply because he looks like an alpha male.
His view also is that feminine/gay men are getting promoted easier in the workplace.
By the way, please note we have no phobias at all (you'll appreciate that from profile) - these are the genuine observations of an intelligent alpha male. "
Interesting points, i think soap operas are intelligence cancer and brainwashing for the gullible. |
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It's a factually accurate statement proved by multiple studies.
What are some of these studies?
"What makes you click: an empirical analysis of online dating" (2005) Hitsch, Hortacsu & Ariely.
Please spare me the generic bunch of criticisms about the study about sample size and online / offline just because it conflicts with your ideology. 8/10 university professors are "left wing" so there's a lot of built in bais about what does and doesn't get published these days. The quality of the authors speaks for themselves if you know who they are. "
Do try and chill out a little. I just asked because I was interested. There's no need to drone on about ideology every time.
But anyway, thanks for the reference.
Whilst I agree this research shows that higher declared salary increases online dating success, I'm not sure it fully supports your claim of "fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman".
Table 5.2 appears to show that looks are by far the most important factor for both genders.
(also, whilst my point on sample size of the research that started this topic may be a 'generic' one, it remains perfectly valid -
drawing conclusions on the fate of the human race based on a study of 100 is silly.) |
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It's a factually accurate statement proved by multiple studies.
What are some of these studies?
"What makes you click: an empirical analysis of online dating" (2005) Hitsch, Hortacsu & Ariely.
Please spare me the generic bunch of criticisms about the study about sample size and online / offline just because it conflicts with your ideology. 8/10 university professors are "left wing" so there's a lot of built in bais about what does and doesn't get published these days. The quality of the authors speaks for themselves if you know who they are.
Do try and chill out a little. I just asked because I was interested. There's no need to drone on about ideology every time.
But anyway, thanks for the reference.
Whilst I agree this research shows that higher declared salary increases online dating success, I'm not sure it fully supports your claim of "fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman".
Table 5.2 appears to show that looks are by far the most important factor for both genders.
(also, whilst my point on sample size of the research that started this topic may be a 'generic' one, it remains perfectly valid -
drawing conclusions on the fate of the human race based on a study of 100 is silly.) "
The study only goes as far as dating. It doesn't go on as far as mmarriage. If it did then you'd see that whilst the average women might date the 'good looking artist, guitar playing gary' eventually she'll dump him and marry 'steady steve the accountant'.
So you agree my original statement was not misogynistic? |
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It's a factually accurate statement proved by multiple studies.
What are some of these studies?
"What makes you click: an empirical analysis of online dating" (2005) Hitsch, Hortacsu & Ariely.
Please spare me the generic bunch of criticisms about the study about sample size and online / offline just because it conflicts with your ideology. 8/10 university professors are "left wing" so there's a lot of built in bais about what does and doesn't get published these days. The quality of the authors speaks for themselves if you know who they are.
Do try and chill out a little. I just asked because I was interested. There's no need to drone on about ideology every time.
But anyway, thanks for the reference.
Whilst I agree this research shows that higher declared salary increases online dating success, I'm not sure it fully supports your claim of "fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman".
Table 5.2 appears to show that looks are by far the most important factor for both genders.
(also, whilst my point on sample size of the research that started this topic may be a 'generic' one, it remains perfectly valid -
drawing conclusions on the fate of the human race based on a study of 100 is silly.)
The study only goes as far as dating. It doesn't go on as far as mmarriage. If it did then you'd see that whilst the average women might date the 'good looking artist, guitar playing gary' eventually she'll dump him and marry 'steady steve the accountant'.
So you agree my original statement was not misogynistic? "
Well, it wasn't me that called it misogynistic.
I'd say it was just more of an unevidenced lazy stereotype.
Also if you have to imagine what the study would say it were different in order to try to prove your point, I'd suggest it's failing as evidence.
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It's a factually accurate statement proved by multiple studies.
What are some of these studies?
"What makes you click: an empirical analysis of online dating" (2005) Hitsch, Hortacsu & Ariely.
Please spare me the generic bunch of criticisms about the study about sample size and online / offline just because it conflicts with your ideology. 8/10 university professors are "left wing" so there's a lot of built in bais about what does and doesn't get published these days. The quality of the authors speaks for themselves if you know who they are.
Do try and chill out a little. I just asked because I was interested. There's no need to drone on about ideology every time.
But anyway, thanks for the reference.
Whilst I agree this research shows that higher declared salary increases online dating success, I'm not sure it fully supports your claim of "fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman".
Table 5.2 appears to show that looks are by far the most important factor for both genders.
(also, whilst my point on sample size of the research that started this topic may be a 'generic' one, it remains perfectly valid -
drawing conclusions on the fate of the human race based on a study of 100 is silly.)
The study only goes as far as dating. It doesn't go on as far as mmarriage. If it did then you'd see that whilst the average women might date the 'good looking artist, guitar playing gary' eventually she'll dump him and marry 'steady steve the accountant'.
So you agree my original statement was not misogynistic?
Well, it wasn't me that called it misogynistic.
I'd say it was just more of an unevidenced lazy stereotype.
Also if you have to imagine what the study would say it were different in order to try to prove your point, I'd suggest it's failing as evidence.
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You've just seen evidence and you can't explain all the billionaires who magically have gorgeous wives depsite looking like a pile of shit themselves.
As i mentioned, academia is incredibly biased so you can't always find a study to perfectly say what everyone outside the ivory towers knows to be self evident. |
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It's a factually accurate statement proved by multiple studies.
What are some of these studies?
"What makes you click: an empirical analysis of online dating" (2005) Hitsch, Hortacsu & Ariely.
Please spare me the generic bunch of criticisms about the study about sample size and online / offline just because it conflicts with your ideology. 8/10 university professors are "left wing" so there's a lot of built in bais about what does and doesn't get published these days. The quality of the authors speaks for themselves if you know who they are.
Do try and chill out a little. I just asked because I was interested. There's no need to drone on about ideology every time.
But anyway, thanks for the reference.
Whilst I agree this research shows that higher declared salary increases online dating success, I'm not sure it fully supports your claim of "fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman".
Table 5.2 appears to show that looks are by far the most important factor for both genders.
(also, whilst my point on sample size of the research that started this topic may be a 'generic' one, it remains perfectly valid -
drawing conclusions on the fate of the human race based on a study of 100 is silly.)
The study only goes as far as dating. It doesn't go on as far as mmarriage. If it did then you'd see that whilst the average women might date the 'good looking artist, guitar playing gary' eventually she'll dump him and marry 'steady steve the accountant'.
So you agree my original statement was not misogynistic?
Well, it wasn't me that called it misogynistic.
I'd say it was just more of an unevidenced lazy stereotype.
Also if you have to imagine what the study would say it were different in order to try to prove your point, I'd suggest it's failing as evidence.
You've just seen evidence and you can't explain all the billionaires who magically have gorgeous wives depsite looking like a pile of shit themselves.
As i mentioned, academia is incredibly biased so you can't always find a study to perfectly say what everyone outside the ivory towers knows to be self evident. "
I haven't seen evidence of your claim, as outlined in my prior post. The study says looks, not money, is most important for women.
And I don't deny that *some* women go for men based solely on their money. But your claim was that it is *most* women.
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It's a factually accurate statement proved by multiple studies.
What are some of these studies?
"What makes you click: an empirical analysis of online dating" (2005) Hitsch, Hortacsu & Ariely.
Please spare me the generic bunch of criticisms about the study about sample size and online / offline just because it conflicts with your ideology. 8/10 university professors are "left wing" so there's a lot of built in bais about what does and doesn't get published these days. The quality of the authors speaks for themselves if you know who they are.
Do try and chill out a little. I just asked because I was interested. There's no need to drone on about ideology every time.
But anyway, thanks for the reference.
Whilst I agree this research shows that higher declared salary increases online dating success, I'm not sure it fully supports your claim of "fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman".
Table 5.2 appears to show that looks are by far the most important factor for both genders.
(also, whilst my point on sample size of the research that started this topic may be a 'generic' one, it remains perfectly valid -
drawing conclusions on the fate of the human race based on a study of 100 is silly.)
The study only goes as far as dating. It doesn't go on as far as mmarriage. If it did then you'd see that whilst the average women might date the 'good looking artist, guitar playing gary' eventually she'll dump him and marry 'steady steve the accountant'.
So you agree my original statement was not misogynistic?
Well, it wasn't me that called it misogynistic.
I'd say it was just more of an unevidenced lazy stereotype.
Also if you have to imagine what the study would say it were different in order to try to prove your point, I'd suggest it's failing as evidence.
You've just seen evidence and you can't explain all the billionaires who magically have gorgeous wives depsite looking like a pile of shit themselves.
As i mentioned, academia is incredibly biased so you can't always find a study to perfectly say what everyone outside the ivory towers knows to be self evident.
I haven't seen evidence of your claim, as outlined in my prior post. The study says looks, not money, is most important for women.
And I don't deny that *some* women go for men based solely on their money. But your claim was that it is *most* women.
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Of course you don't actually have any counter evidence and you're happy to assume that someone like Harvey Weinstein just has a cracking great personality that compensates for his looks and explains why his wife is so much better looking than him. Ok. |
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It's a factually accurate statement proved by multiple studies.
What are some of these studies?
"What makes you click: an empirical analysis of online dating" (2005) Hitsch, Hortacsu & Ariely.
Please spare me the generic bunch of criticisms about the study about sample size and online / offline just because it conflicts with your ideology. 8/10 university professors are "left wing" so there's a lot of built in bais about what does and doesn't get published these days. The quality of the authors speaks for themselves if you know who they are.
Do try and chill out a little. I just asked because I was interested. There's no need to drone on about ideology every time.
But anyway, thanks for the reference.
Whilst I agree this research shows that higher declared salary increases online dating success, I'm not sure it fully supports your claim of "fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman".
Table 5.2 appears to show that looks are by far the most important factor for both genders.
(also, whilst my point on sample size of the research that started this topic may be a 'generic' one, it remains perfectly valid -
drawing conclusions on the fate of the human race based on a study of 100 is silly.)
The study only goes as far as dating. It doesn't go on as far as mmarriage. If it did then you'd see that whilst the average women might date the 'good looking artist, guitar playing gary' eventually she'll dump him and marry 'steady steve the accountant'.
So you agree my original statement was not misogynistic?
Well, it wasn't me that called it misogynistic.
I'd say it was just more of an unevidenced lazy stereotype.
Also if you have to imagine what the study would say it were different in order to try to prove your point, I'd suggest it's failing as evidence.
You've just seen evidence and you can't explain all the billionaires who magically have gorgeous wives depsite looking like a pile of shit themselves.
As i mentioned, academia is incredibly biased so you can't always find a study to perfectly say what everyone outside the ivory towers knows to be self evident.
I haven't seen evidence of your claim, as outlined in my prior post. The study says looks, not money, is most important for women.
And I don't deny that *some* women go for men based solely on their money. But your claim was that it is *most* women.
Of course you don't actually have any counter evidence and you're happy to assume that someone like Harvey Weinstein just has a cracking great personality that compensates for his looks and explains why his wife is so much better looking than him. Ok. "
I already said that some women obviously go for men based on money, but that you hadn't shown it was most.
Keep wriggling, though.
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It's a factually accurate statement proved by multiple studies.
What are some of these studies?
"What makes you click: an empirical analysis of online dating" (2005) Hitsch, Hortacsu & Ariely.
Please spare me the generic bunch of criticisms about the study about sample size and online / offline just because it conflicts with your ideology. 8/10 university professors are "left wing" so there's a lot of built in bais about what does and doesn't get published these days. The quality of the authors speaks for themselves if you know who they are.
Do try and chill out a little. I just asked because I was interested. There's no need to drone on about ideology every time.
But anyway, thanks for the reference.
Whilst I agree this research shows that higher declared salary increases online dating success, I'm not sure it fully supports your claim of "fundamentally most women still want a man with resources and most men still want a beautiful woman".
Table 5.2 appears to show that looks are by far the most important factor for both genders.
(also, whilst my point on sample size of the research that started this topic may be a 'generic' one, it remains perfectly valid -
drawing conclusions on the fate of the human race based on a study of 100 is silly.)
The study only goes as far as dating. It doesn't go on as far as mmarriage. If it did then you'd see that whilst the average women might date the 'good looking artist, guitar playing gary' eventually she'll dump him and marry 'steady steve the accountant'.
So you agree my original statement was not misogynistic?
Well, it wasn't me that called it misogynistic.
I'd say it was just more of an unevidenced lazy stereotype.
Also if you have to imagine what the study would say it were different in order to try to prove your point, I'd suggest it's failing as evidence.
You've just seen evidence and you can't explain all the billionaires who magically have gorgeous wives depsite looking like a pile of shit themselves.
As i mentioned, academia is incredibly biased so you can't always find a study to perfectly say what everyone outside the ivory towers knows to be self evident.
I haven't seen evidence of your claim, as outlined in my prior post. The study says looks, not money, is most important for women.
And I don't deny that *some* women go for men based solely on their money. But your claim was that it is *most* women.
Of course you don't actually have any counter evidence and you're happy to assume that someone like Harvey Weinstein just has a cracking great personality that compensates for his looks and explains why his wife is so much better looking than him. Ok.
I already said that some women obviously go for men based on money, but that you hadn't shown it was most.
Keep wriggling, though.
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Ok have a search for "never married adults: which of these factors would be very important for you in choosing a partner?" Sorry but had enough bans for posting links. Spolier alert, 78% of women said "a steady job". |
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I think this thread is based on a lot of assumptions.
A lot of woman report increased sex drive or no change in sex drive when on these types of contraception, some women's type don't change or change due to other factors.
I don't see a lot of feminine men. In fact I see the opposite and I personally have seen a rise in the amount of "masculine" men. Just because someone looks masculine or feminine doesn't mean they are personality wise. Also being feminine or a little feminine as a man is not a bad thing. Or women being masculine - it just means that as a society gender contracts have changed and evolved.
Me personally I have been on the implant and for a while my sex drive was random. Sometimes really high or really low. It has evened itself back out to normal for me. I find some feminine looking men attractive but I did before I went on it. But my preference has always been more masculine looking men with a few exceptions.
Just my observation.
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"I think this thread is based on a lot of assumptions.
A lot of woman report increased sex drive or no change in sex drive when on these types of contraception, some women's type don't change or change due to other factors.
I don't see a lot of feminine men. In fact I see the opposite and I personally have seen a rise in the amount of "masculine" men. Just because someone looks masculine or feminine doesn't mean they are personality wise. Also being feminine or a little feminine as a man is not a bad thing. Or women being masculine - it just means that as a society gender contracts have changed and evolved.
Me personally I have been on the implant and for a while my sex drive was random. Sometimes really high or really low. It has evened itself back out to normal for me. I find some feminine looking men attractive but I did before I went on it. But my preference has always been more masculine looking men with a few exceptions.
Just my observation.
~Mia"
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Ok have a search for "never married adults: which of these factors would be very important for you in choosing a partner?" Sorry but had enough bans for posting links. Spolier alert, 78% of women said "a steady job"."
A bit better I guess, in that of this survey sample (of how many it doesn't seem to say), more women prioritize a 'steady job' in their partner than do men.
Note 'steady', not 'well paid'. This isn't showing that women crave billionaires.
But given that attractiveness and many other factors aren't listed, this is hardly conclusive proof that women value 'resources' above all else. Just that they do so more than men out of a very limited sample of five factors.
Which, given that women are more likely to be expected to be the stay at home partners, is not so amazing or telling about the fundamental nature of women.
Anyway, as fun as this is, I'll leave it here with my general point, which is that human interactions are messy and complicated and full of all kinds of factors, and trying to reduce things down to statements of 'men like X and women like Y' is futile and unproductive, outside of providing comfort to people who prefer the world wrapped up in simple and traditional stereotypes.
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Ok have a search for "never married adults: which of these factors would be very important for you in choosing a partner?" Sorry but had enough bans for posting links. Spolier alert, 78% of women said "a steady job".
A bit better I guess, in that of this survey sample (of how many it doesn't seem to say), more women prioritize a 'steady job' in their partner than do men.
Note 'steady', not 'well paid'. This isn't showing that women crave billionaires.
But given that attractiveness and many other factors aren't listed, this is hardly conclusive proof that women value 'resources' above all else. Just that they do so more than men out of a very limited sample of five factors.
Which, given that women are more likely to be expected to be the stay at home partners, is not so amazing or telling about the fundamental nature of women.
Anyway, as fun as this is, I'll leave it here with my general point, which is that human interactions are messy and complicated and full of all kinds of factors, and trying to reduce things down to statements of 'men like X and women like Y' is futile and unproductive, outside of providing comfort to people who prefer the world wrapped up in simple and traditional stereotypes.
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I'd like evidence that there is a problem, before thinking about a supposition that may be mere fantasy.
Has the pill meant men jumping through more or fewer hoops - or even the same? Or are these fab hoops? |
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"I'd like evidence that there is a problem, before thinking about a supposition that may be mere fantasy.
Has the pill meant men jumping through more or fewer hoops - or even the same? Or are these fab hoops? "
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"Bernie Ecclestone...
Rupert Murdoch
Premiership footballers..
What would Peter Crouch be if he wasn't a premiership footballer? "
A really good window cleaner?
An expert Giraffe milker?
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"Bernie Ecclestone...
Rupert Murdoch
Premiership footballers..
What would Peter Crouch be if he wasn't a premiership footballer?
A really good window cleaner?
An expert Giraffe milker?
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He was asked by a journalist what he would be if he wasn't a premier league footballed. "A virgin" he replied. |
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I wouldnt worry too much....as the hormone in the pill is already affecting men through consumption in our water supplies....there wont be any left in the future... |
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"I think this thread is based on a lot of assumptions.
A lot of woman report increased sex drive or no change in sex drive when on these types of contraception, some women's type don't change or change due to other factors.
I don't see a lot of feminine men. In fact I see the opposite and I personally have seen a rise in the amount of "masculine" men. Just because someone looks masculine or feminine doesn't mean they are personality wise. Also being feminine or a little feminine as a man is not a bad thing. Or women being masculine - it just means that as a society gender contracts have changed and evolved.
Me personally I have been on the implant and for a while my sex drive was random. Sometimes really high or really low. It has evened itself back out to normal for me. I find some feminine looking men attractive but I did before I went on it. But my preference has always been more masculine looking men with a few exceptions.
Just my observation.
~Mia
So just to be clear, you wouldn't allow justin Bieber to impregnate you? "
No I would not 
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