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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?" possibly yes but it’s a difficult scenario  | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?possibly yes but it’s a difficult scenario "difficult but not impossible and some consideration should be given  | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?possibly yes but it’s a difficult scenario "Why? If a person is post op then they are their new status here. A TV remains male. So TS would be any stage pre op but psychologically always their to be gender/sex. No? | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?possibly yes but it’s a difficult scenario difficult but not impossible and some consideration should be given "As I’ve already had too much coffee. How difficult can it be to put a few more categories just to break down the differences. I know I’m a tv. I’m 80% dresser I’m not a CD and not transgender. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?" Yes  | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?possibly yes but it’s a difficult scenario difficult but not impossible and some consideration should be given
As I’ve already had too much coffee. How difficult can it be to put a few more categories just to break down the differences. I know I’m a tv. I’m 80% dresser I’m not a CD and not transgender. "Enlighten me, isn't a TV and CD part of the same spectrum? And isn't a TS a totally different spectrum? | |||
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"Trying to navigate around TS/TV without setting someone off is an absolute minefield. If they want a change to the site let them sort it themselves " Why? | |||
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"Trying to navigate around TS/TV without setting someone off is an absolute minefield. " In which case common sense would suggest you steer clear, would it not? Yet you don't! | |||
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"Trying to navigate around TS/TV without setting someone off is an absolute minefield. If they want a change to the site let them sort it themselves Why?" I've seen a few difference in opinion about what constitutes as a CD or a TS or a TV. And I'm sure we've all seen a few people get pretty upset when a term is used wrong Just for the record, before the fruit throwing starts, I'm not generalising the entire TS/TV community in this | |||
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"Trying to navigate around TS/TV without setting someone off is an absolute minefield. In which case common sense would suggest you steer clear, would it not? Yet you don't!" Are you going to do this after every post I make? Or just until you find something better to do | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?" Yes please! | |||
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"Feck it I'm not making coffee this time "Well you can't anyway,there's no cups left! Yes in answer to the question. | |||
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"Trying to navigate around TS/TV without setting someone off is an absolute minefield. In which case common sense would suggest you steer clear, would it not? Yet you don't! Are you going to do this after every post I make? Or just until you find something better to do "Does this count? | |||
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"Never going to happen on here Other sites have them seperate and it works without issues. " So it can't be hard to put into place then,I wonder why this site doesn't. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?possibly yes but it’s a difficult scenario difficult but not impossible and some consideration should be given
As I’ve already had too much coffee. How difficult can it be to put a few more categories just to break down the differences. I know I’m a tv. I’m 80% dresser I’m not a CD and not transgender.
Enlighten me, isn't a TV and CD part of the same spectrum? And isn't a TS a totally different spectrum?"I will try my best but should I falter helpppp A TS is totally different as you say to tv or cd. So I need not comment on this A tv or transvestite is in my opinion someone who habitually wears clothing of the opposite sex , who lives either all or part of thier lives in this manner but who are completely comfortable with thier bodies as they are. Thier sexual preferences varies A CD Crossdresser in my opinion is someone who likes to wear items of clothing of the opposite sex on occasions. It’s a mine field are they the same are they different. If I only wore women’s clothing every now and a while I would call myself a crossdresser but then you can bring in the PWG panty wearing guys???? Anyway it’s a preference but the gap between TV and TS is so big these two descriptions should not even be associated with each other to describe a person. In my opinion. Coffee please | |||
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"Trying to navigate around TS/TV without setting someone off is an absolute minefield. In which case common sense would suggest you steer clear, would it not? Yet you don't! Are you going to do this after every post I make? Or just until you find something better to do
Does this count?
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"Trying to navigate around TS/TV without setting someone off is an absolute minefield. In which case common sense would suggest you steer clear, would it not? Yet you don't! Are you going to do this after every post I make? Or just until you find something better to do
Does this count?
Certainly answered my question"But you did ask, it would have been rude to simply ignore your question to me surely? Or was it rhetorical perhaps? I can't help it if you don't know. Cup of tea? | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?possibly yes but it’s a difficult scenario difficult but not impossible and some consideration should be given
As I’ve already had too much coffee. How difficult can it be to put a few more categories just to break down the differences. I know I’m a tv. I’m 80% dresser I’m not a CD and not transgender.
Enlighten me, isn't a TV and CD part of the same spectrum? And isn't a TS a totally different spectrum?
I will try my best but should I falter helpppp
A TS is totally different as you say to tv or cd. So I need not comment on this
A tv or transvestite is in my opinion someone who habitually wears clothing of the opposite sex , who lives either all or part of thier lives in this manner but who are completely comfortable with thier bodies as they are. Thier sexual preferences varies
A CD Crossdresser in my opinion is someone who likes to wear items of clothing of the opposite sex on occasions.
It’s a mine field are they the same are they different. If I only wore women’s clothing every now and a while I would call myself a crossdresser but then you can bring in the PWG panty wearing guys????
Anyway it’s a preference but the gap between TV and TS is so big these two descriptions should not even be associated with each other to describe a person. In my opinion. Coffee please"Your last paragraph is my very point. I reiterate - TS and TV are different spectrums. TS are psychologically a fixed sex and their status here should recognise that. Their sexual orientation is irrelevant here in the same manner that man, woman, couple profiles are. TVs and CDs are male and ditto about sexual orientation. Why doesn't Fab respect these spectrums and have (a) TS (b) TV and CD I see NO minefield with regards to TS. | |||
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"Does it really matter as long as your profile explains everything? " Ok if it doesn't matter, change your profile to woman, or TV/TS | |||
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"Does it really matter as long as your profile explains everything? " Well yeah, it makes it harder to search and use message filters | |||
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" Enlighten me, isn't a TV and CD part of the same spectrum?" I thought a TV was more Lilly Savage- all hair and lipstick while a CD is more Cupid Stunt- facial hair and Y-fronts underneath?  | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?possibly yes but it’s a difficult scenario difficult but not impossible and some consideration should be given
As I’ve already had too much coffee. How difficult can it be to put a few more categories just to break down the differences. I know I’m a tv. I’m 80% dresser I’m not a CD and not transgender.
Enlighten me, isn't a TV and CD part of the same spectrum? And isn't a TS a totally different spectrum?
I will try my best but should I falter helpppp
A TS is totally different as you say to tv or cd. So I need not comment on this
A tv or transvestite is in my opinion someone who habitually wears clothing of the opposite sex , who lives either all or part of thier lives in this manner but who are completely comfortable with thier bodies as they are. Thier sexual preferences varies
A CD Crossdresser in my opinion is someone who likes to wear items of clothing of the opposite sex on occasions.
It’s a mine field are they the same are they different. If I only wore women’s clothing every now and a while I would call myself a crossdresser but then you can bring in the PWG panty wearing guys????
Anyway it’s a preference but the gap between TV and TS is so big these two descriptions should not even be associated with each other to describe a person. In my opinion. Coffee please
Your last paragraph is my very point. I reiterate -
TS and TV are different spectrums.
TS are psychologically a fixed sex and their status here should recognise that. Their sexual orientation is irrelevant here in the same manner that man, woman, couple profiles are.
TVs and CDs are male and ditto about sexual orientation.
Why doesn't Fab respect these spectrums and have (a) TS
(b) TV and CD
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"an other kitten with a wing " Google translate is no help. | |||
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"Trying to navigate around TS/TV without setting someone off is an absolute minefield. In which case common sense would suggest you steer clear, would it not? Yet you don't! Are you going to do this after every post I make? Or just until you find something better to do
Does this count?
Certainly answered my question
But you did ask, it would have been rude to simply ignore your question to me surely?
Or was it rhetorical perhaps?
I can't help it if you don't know.
Cup of tea?"Instead of these failed attempts at making you look like the intellectually superior, would you just like to tell me what your problem is with me? Because this is getting boring now | |||
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"Trying to navigate around TS/TV without setting someone off is an absolute minefield. In which case common sense would suggest you steer clear, would it not? Yet you don't! Are you going to do this after every post I make? Or just until you find something better to do
Does this count?
Certainly answered my question
But you did ask, it would have been rude to simply ignore your question to me surely?
Or was it rhetorical perhaps?
I can't help it if you don't know.
Cup of tea?
Instead of these failed attempts at making you look like the intellectually superior, would you just like to tell me what your problem is with me?
Because this is getting boring now"Get a room you two | |||
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"Trying to navigate around TS/TV without setting someone off is an absolute minefield. In which case common sense would suggest you steer clear, would it not? Yet you don't! Are you going to do this after every post I make? Or just until you find something better to do
Does this count?
Certainly answered my question
But you did ask, it would have been rude to simply ignore your question to me surely?
Or was it rhetorical perhaps?
I can't help it if you don't know.
Cup of tea?
Instead of these failed attempts at making you look like the intellectually superior, would you just like to tell me what your problem is with me?
Because this is getting boring now"You ignored that opportunity, when in another thread I tried to explain where you were projecting, and instead of getting to grips with that you simply kept denying it and then firmly stated you'd ignore me henceforth. I don't know where I am with you, I just can't make any sense of you. But I promise never to engage with you ever again. And my declarations CAN be trusted. Unless, of course, I forget that it's you and pull you up on some other guff. For that I apologise in advance. | |||
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"Yes, it seems a no-brainer to make this change. " Exactly this . I would be most miffed at being tagged with TVs and CDs if I had transgendered . I know one could legitimately identify on here as a female if a full male to female procedure has been completed , and vice versa female to male . But to many , a transgender specific would be way more preferable surely ? | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. " I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think " Does the law seem them as "trans female" or female? | |||
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"For at least a period of time, they become a woman with a cock " . Aye aye... How many hormones do you take | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think Does the law seem them as "trans female" or female? " That is a huge question. Unfortunatly you can not change sex on a birth cert. or can you ? | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. " Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? | |||
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cuts out the confusion.... And angry handbag waving.. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. " Outside of Fab I would agree, but as I still have a vagina and we all know how people struggle to read profiles... Plus there are some people who search for people like me. There are people who don't have all the surgeries available so for that the trans label is handy. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think Does the law seem them as "trans female" or female? That is a huge question. Unfortunatly you can not change sex on a birth cert. or can you ? " You can't change sex period. You can get a gender recognition certificate which would legally identify someone as a woman, even if they were born a man. Your passport would be updated accordingly. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all?" Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think Does the law seem them as "trans female" or female? That is a huge question. Unfortunatly you can not change sex on a birth cert. or can you ? " You can get it replaced by getting a Gender Recognition Certificate. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think Does the law seem them as "trans female" or female? That is a huge question. Unfortunatly you can not change sex on a birth cert. or can you ? You can get it replaced by getting a Gender Recognition Certificate." There's a few x-men on here now identify as women. May i ask why you don't identify as a man? | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think Does the law seem them as "trans female" or female? That is a huge question. Unfortunatly you can not change sex on a birth cert. or can you ? You can get it replaced by getting a Gender Recognition Certificate." See I’m educated everyday thanks Hun x | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple " Gender fluidity and/or agenderism in itself would add a complexity that would be unrecognised with your perspective. I believe you are oversimplifying. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple Gender fluidity and/or agenderism in itself would add a complexity that would be unrecognised with your perspective. I believe you are oversimplifying. " I think we're catering to too many people's flight of fancy. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think Does the law seem them as "trans female" or female? That is a huge question. Unfortunatly you can not change sex on a birth cert. or can you ? You can get it replaced by getting a Gender Recognition Certificate. There's a few x-men on here now identify as women. May i ask why you don't identify as a man?" I do outside of Fab, I'm currently sorting out my Gender Recognition Certificate, but when it comes to sex I still have a vagina that I kept specifically for sex. So I keep the transsexual label because that is what I am. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think Does the law seem them as "trans female" or female? That is a huge question. Unfortunatly you can not change sex on a birth cert. or can you ? You can get it replaced by getting a Gender Recognition Certificate. There's a few x-men on here now identify as women. May i ask why you don't identify as a man? I do outside of Fab, I'm currently sorting out my Gender Recognition Certificate, but when it comes to sex I still have a vagina that I kept specifically for sex. So I keep the transsexual label because that is what I am." I see. It hasn't stopped others. I don't think you should limit yourself. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple Gender fluidity and/or agenderism in itself would add a complexity that would be unrecognised with your perspective. I believe you are oversimplifying. I think we're catering to too many people's flight of fancy. " Amd there we part company, as your "we", strictly speaking, is incorrect. Btw, that finel statement of yours is essentially discriminatory and therefore essentially transphobic, should you be interested. One hopes we all live and learn. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think Does the law seem them as "trans female" or female? That is a huge question. Unfortunatly you can not change sex on a birth cert. or can you ? You can get it replaced by getting a Gender Recognition Certificate. There's a few x-men on here now identify as women. May i ask why you don't identify as a man? I do outside of Fab, I'm currently sorting out my Gender Recognition Certificate, but when it comes to sex I still have a vagina that I kept specifically for sex. So I keep the transsexual label because that is what I am. I see. It hasn't stopped others. I don't think you should limit yourself. " Am I limiting myself? I'd say I would be limiting myself if I didn't use the label as there are guys who find what I have quite attractive, they are more likely to miss that bit of information if I just use the male option. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple " I think _ransguy has answered that well Clem.... he was a she , identifies as a he , but has both sets of sexual organs . If he had removed his vagina , then he could legitimately categorise himself as male on here . No one could deny that , and it’s all good for all parties . Now if he identified as a male and a meet was somewhat perturbed at his vagina upon meeting , it could cause issues . I know we can all read profiles , and he has a great detailed one . But why should he have to come into the same category as guys who like to dress as women ? | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple I think _ransguy has answered that well Clem.... he was a she , identifies as a he , but has both sets of sexual organs . If he had removed his vagina , then he could legitimately categorise himself as male on here . No one could deny that , and it’s all good for all parties . Now if he identified as a male and a meet was somewhat perturbed at his vagina upon meeting , it could cause issues . I know we can all read profiles , and he has a great detailed one . But why should he have to come into the same category as guys who like to dress as women ? " Thank you, spot on. When I first started meeting guys for sex I never used to say I was transsexual at first, and I had guys on other sites get funny with me when I did say. So I now make sure I'm upfront about what I am from the start. Although this doesn't always work either as I've had some guys totally ignore my profile and then run a mile when I point out what I am as they just assumed I was a hairy crossdresser | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple I think _ransguy has answered that well Clem.... he was a she , identifies as a he , but has both sets of sexual organs . If he had removed his vagina , then he could legitimately categorise himself as male on here . No one could deny that , and it’s all good for all parties . Now if he identified as a male and a meet was somewhat perturbed at his vagina upon meeting , it could cause issues . I know we can all read profiles , and he has a great detailed one . But why should he have to come into the same category as guys who like to dress as women ? Thank you, spot on. When I first started meeting guys for sex I never used to say I was transsexual at first, and I had guys on other sites get funny with me when I did say. So I now make sure I'm upfront about what I am from the start. Although this doesn't always work either as I've had some guys totally ignore my profile and then run a mile when I point out what I am as they just assumed I was a hairy crossdresser "And "hairy crossdresser" of course not being a bad thing right? | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple I think _ransguy has answered that well Clem.... he was a she , identifies as a he , but has both sets of sexual organs . If he had removed his vagina , then he could legitimately categorise himself as male on here . No one could deny that , and it’s all good for all parties . Now if he identified as a male and a meet was somewhat perturbed at his vagina upon meeting , it could cause issues . I know we can all read profiles , and he has a great detailed one . But why should he have to come into the same category as guys who like to dress as women ? Thank you, spot on. When I first started meeting guys for sex I never used to say I was transsexual at first, and I had guys on other sites get funny with me when I did say. So I now make sure I'm upfront about what I am from the start. Although this doesn't always work either as I've had some guys totally ignore my profile and then run a mile when I point out what I am as they just assumed I was a hairy crossdresser
And "hairy crossdresser" of course not being a bad thing right?"Oh sorry that should be "hairy crossdresser" as in what I was called. If guys are hairy and a crossdresser then good for them, it's not what I am (apart from being incredibly hairy! ), but what they do/are is not bad. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple Gender fluidity and/or agenderism in itself would add a complexity that would be unrecognised with your perspective. I believe you are oversimplifying. I think we're catering to too many people's flight of fancy. Amd there we part company, as your "we", strictly speaking, is incorrect. Btw, that finel statement of yours is essentially discriminatory and therefore essentially transphobic, should you be interested. One hopes we all live and learn. " I can live with that. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple I think _ransguy has answered that well Clem.... he was a she , identifies as a he , but has both sets of sexual organs . If he had removed his vagina , then he could legitimately categorise himself as male on here . No one could deny that , and it’s all good for all parties . Now if he identified as a male and a meet was somewhat perturbed at his vagina upon meeting , it could cause issues . I know we can all read profiles , and he has a great detailed one . But why should he have to come into the same category as guys who like to dress as women ? Thank you, spot on. When I first started meeting guys for sex I never used to say I was transsexual at first, and I had guys on other sites get funny with me when I did say. So I now make sure I'm upfront about what I am from the start. Although this doesn't always work either as I've had some guys totally ignore my profile and then run a mile when I point out what I am as they just assumed I was a hairy crossdresser
And "hairy crossdresser" of course not being a bad thing right?"I think the term “ hairy cross dresser “ perfectly sums up why the trans community should have a separate section . There are guys who simply put on a frock and stockings , no make up , have a beard and enjoy this . Not a bad thing , their choice , and good for them . But to suggest they should sit in the same category as a transitioned male or female is ludicrous . | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple Gender fluidity and/or agenderism in itself would add a complexity that would be unrecognised with your perspective. I believe you are oversimplifying. I think we're catering to too many people's flight of fancy. Amd there we part company, as your "we", strictly speaking, is incorrect. Btw, that finel statement of yours is essentially discriminatory and therefore essentially transphobic, should you be interested. One hopes we all live and learn. I can live with that. "Always satisfying to bust a bigot. | |||
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"I think once a site starts to think about recognising TS/male, TS/Female it opens up the need to offer more. For example, why not gender fluid, or gender neutral, or binary. There are a lot of genders out there, and just offering TS could annoy as many as it makes happy, as a lot might see it as a condescending move with no real understanding of all the different genders." It offers TS/TV as joint. They are not on the same spectrum. Why offer TV at all when it isn't a (true) gender status? Men could elaborate on their profiles about their TV side. Whereas a male to female transgender pre-op on a woman's profile, could be reported as a man if they have a cock on show. | |||
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"I think once a site starts to think about recognising TS/male, TS/Female it opens up the need to offer more. For example, why not gender fluid, or gender neutral, or binary. There are a lot of genders out there, and just offering TS could annoy as many as it makes happy, as a lot might see it as a condescending move with no real understanding of all the different genders." Btw I'll add that profile status is more about biological sex than gender as can be seen in profile "man/woman" not "male/female". However, TS recognises that biology and gender can be complex. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple Gender fluidity and/or agenderism in itself would add a complexity that would be unrecognised with your perspective. I believe you are oversimplifying. I think we're catering to too many people's flight of fancy. Amd there we part company, as your "we", strictly speaking, is incorrect. Btw, that finel statement of yours is essentially discriminatory and therefore essentially transphobic, should you be interested. One hopes we all live and learn. I can live with that.
Always satisfying to bust a bigot.
"Bigot. noun. "a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions." Your constant need to dish out derogatory labels to people who disagree with you suggests a bigger bigot could be found in the mirror. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple I think _ransguy has answered that well Clem.... he was a she , identifies as a he , but has both sets of sexual organs . If he had removed his vagina , then he could legitimately categorise himself as male on here . No one could deny that , and it’s all good for all parties . Now if he identified as a male and a meet was somewhat perturbed at his vagina upon meeting , it could cause issues . I know we can all read profiles , and he has a great detailed one . But why should he have to come into the same category as guys who like to dress as women ? Thank you, spot on. When I first started meeting guys for sex I never used to say I was transsexual at first, and I had guys on other sites get funny with me when I did say. So I now make sure I'm upfront about what I am from the start. Although this doesn't always work either as I've had some guys totally ignore my profile and then run a mile when I point out what I am as they just assumed I was a hairy crossdresser
And "hairy crossdresser" of course not being a bad thing right?
I think the term “ hairy cross dresser “ perfectly sums up why the trans community should have a separate section .
There are guys who simply put on a frock and stockings , no make up , have a beard and enjoy this . Not a bad thing , their choice , and good for them . But to suggest they should sit in the same category as a transitioned male or female is ludicrous ."Exactly, their choice. I don't imagine for one second that those who want to transition do it through choice. It goes deeper than that. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple Gender fluidity and/or agenderism in itself would add a complexity that would be unrecognised with your perspective. I believe you are oversimplifying. I think we're catering to too many people's flight of fancy. Amd there we part company, as your "we", strictly speaking, is incorrect. Btw, that finel statement of yours is essentially discriminatory and therefore essentially transphobic, should you be interested. One hopes we all live and learn. I can live with that.
Always satisfying to bust a bigot.
Bigot. noun.
"a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions."
Your constant need to dish out derogatory labels to people who disagree with you suggests a bigger bigot could be found in the mirror.
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. Bingo! And your thoughts on offering 'TG' at all? Don't see the point. If you think you're in the wrong body then identify as the sex you think you are. Simple I think _ransguy has answered that well Clem.... he was a she , identifies as a he , but has both sets of sexual organs . If he had removed his vagina , then he could legitimately categorise himself as male on here . No one could deny that , and it’s all good for all parties . Now if he identified as a male and a meet was somewhat perturbed at his vagina upon meeting , it could cause issues . I know we can all read profiles , and he has a great detailed one . But why should he have to come into the same category as guys who like to dress as women ? Thank you, spot on. When I first started meeting guys for sex I never used to say I was transsexual at first, and I had guys on other sites get funny with me when I did say. So I now make sure I'm upfront about what I am from the start. Although this doesn't always work either as I've had some guys totally ignore my profile and then run a mile when I point out what I am as they just assumed I was a hairy crossdresser
And "hairy crossdresser" of course not being a bad thing right?
I think the term “ hairy cross dresser “ perfectly sums up why the trans community should have a separate section .
There are guys who simply put on a frock and stockings , no make up , have a beard and enjoy this . Not a bad thing , their choice , and good for them . But to suggest they should sit in the same category as a transitioned male or female is ludicrous .
Exactly, their choice. I don't imagine for one second that those who want to transition do it through choice. It goes deeper than that."Of course it does , and that’s my point . It’s insulting to categorise a transgender in the same group as a cd or a tv . | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?possibly yes but it’s a difficult scenario difficult but not impossible and some consideration should be given
As I’ve already had too much coffee. How difficult can it be to put a few more categories just to break down the differences. I know I’m a tv. I’m 80% dresser I’m not a CD and not transgender.
Enlighten me, isn't a TV and CD part of the same spectrum? And isn't a TS a totally different spectrum?
I will try my best but should I falter helpppp
A TS is totally different as you say to tv or cd. So I need not comment on this
A tv or transvestite is in my opinion someone who habitually wears clothing of the opposite sex , who lives either all or part of thier lives in this manner but who are completely comfortable with thier bodies as they are. Thier sexual preferences varies
A CD Crossdresser in my opinion is someone who likes to wear items of clothing of the opposite sex on occasions.
It’s a mine field are they the same are they different. If I only wore women’s clothing every now and a while I would call myself a crossdresser but then you can bring in the PWG panty wearing guys????
Anyway it’s a preference but the gap between TV and TS is so big these two descriptions should not even be associated with each other to describe a person. In my opinion. Coffee please
Your last paragraph is my very point. I reiterate -
TS and TV are different spectrums.
TS are psychologically a fixed sex and their status here should recognise that. Their sexual orientation is irrelevant here in the same manner that man, woman, couple profiles are.
TVs and CDs are male and ditto about sexual orientation.
Why doesn't Fab respect these spectrums and have (a) TS
(b) TV and CD
I see NO minefield with regards to TS."Why does a TV or CD need to be a man dressing as a woman?? Don’t some (ok very small %) woman dress as men?? Anyway, I agree that if you have Man, Woman, Couple, then why not have TV/CD as a tag for any of the 3 aforementioned and then also have a category of TS (either way around) for those in the process of physical change?? Ie the wrong sex trapped with the wrong body parts. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?possibly yes but it’s a difficult scenario difficult but not impossible and some consideration should be given
As I’ve already had too much coffee. How difficult can it be to put a few more categories just to break down the differences. I know I’m a tv. I’m 80% dresser I’m not a CD and not transgender.
Enlighten me, isn't a TV and CD part of the same spectrum? And isn't a TS a totally different spectrum?
I will try my best but should I falter helpppp
A TS is totally different as you say to tv or cd. So I need not comment on this
A tv or transvestite is in my opinion someone who habitually wears clothing of the opposite sex , who lives either all or part of thier lives in this manner but who are completely comfortable with thier bodies as they are. Thier sexual preferences varies
A CD Crossdresser in my opinion is someone who likes to wear items of clothing of the opposite sex on occasions.
It’s a mine field are they the same are they different. If I only wore women’s clothing every now and a while I would call myself a crossdresser but then you can bring in the PWG panty wearing guys????
Anyway it’s a preference but the gap between TV and TS is so big these two descriptions should not even be associated with each other to describe a person. In my opinion. Coffee please
Your last paragraph is my very point. I reiterate -
TS and TV are different spectrums.
TS are psychologically a fixed sex and their status here should recognise that. Their sexual orientation is irrelevant here in the same manner that man, woman, couple profiles are.
TVs and CDs are male and ditto about sexual orientation.
Why doesn't Fab respect these spectrums and have (a) TS
(b) TV and CD
I see NO minefield with regards to TS.
Why does a TV or CD need to be a man dressing as a woman?? Don’t some (ok very small %) woman dress as men??
Anyway, I agree that if you have Man, Woman, Couple, then why not have TV/CD as a tag for any of the 3 aforementioned and then also have a category of TS (either way around) for those in the process of physical change?? Ie the wrong sex trapped with the wrong body parts."Women dress as men? How novel  . | |||
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"With the rememberance thread hijacked by all manner of guff, and now full, the wholesale nonsense will continue here no doubt, 'trans' being for some little more than the mental laxative that it is. I'm holding my nose." There is much agreement for the separation of the categories, so don't start trolling. | |||
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"With the rememberance thread hijacked by all manner of guff, and now full, the wholesale nonsense will continue here no doubt, 'trans' being for some little more than the mental laxative that it is. I'm holding my nose. There is much agreement for the separation of the categories, so don't start trolling." as a happy HPW i don't want to be lumped in with the others. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think Does the law seem them as "trans female" or female? That is a huge question. Unfortunatly you can not change sex on a birth cert. or can you ? " Yes, you can. | |||
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"If someone is identifying as male or female then they should choose that identity. There is no need for TS. The precident has been set. I beg to differ I think thier very much is a need to be identified as either a trans woman or man. This is a separate identity and one that many have been fighting and may I say dying for for years unfortunatly. It goes much higher than we think Does the law seem them as "trans female" or female? That is a huge question. Unfortunatly you can not change sex on a birth cert. or can you ? Yes, you can." Ffs sake....sounds like Jin will fix it | |||
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" Why doesn't Fab respect these spectrums and have (a) TS (b) TV and CD I see NO minefield with regards to TS." TV/Crossdresser (in the academic world transvestite is the out of date word for one who crossdresses) shouldn't even be a gender on this site. It's not a gender, it's just something that you enjoy doing. 'Crossdressing' is already in the interest lists, it doesn't need to be gender as well - that is nothing less than insulting for trans people. | |||
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"With the rememberance thread hijacked by all manner of guff, and now full, the wholesale nonsense will continue here no doubt, 'trans' being for some little more than the mental laxative that it is. I'm holding my nose. There is much agreement for the separation of the categories, so don't start trolling." You're not fooling me. | |||
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"With the rememberance thread hijacked by all manner of guff, and now full, the wholesale nonsense will continue here no doubt, 'trans' being for some little more than the mental laxative that it is. I'm holding my nose. There is much agreement for the separation of the categories, so don't start trolling. You're not fooling me. " Not sure whether to do the Catherine Tate "not bovvered" or ask what you're on about? | |||
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"With the rememberance thread hijacked by all manner of guff, and now full, the wholesale nonsense will continue here no doubt, 'trans' being for some little more than the mental laxative that it is. I'm holding my nose. There is much agreement for the separation of the categories, so don't start trolling. as a happy HPW i don't want to be lumped in with the others. "Forgive my ignorance. What's a HPW? | |||
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"With the rememberance thread hijacked by all manner of guff, and now full, the wholesale nonsense will continue here no doubt, 'trans' being for some little more than the mental laxative that it is. I'm holding my nose. There is much agreement for the separation of the categories, so don't start trolling. as a happy HPW i don't want to be lumped in with the others.
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"The main issue as we see it is that no one should be misled. A Post-op TS that claims to be a woman is misleading people. In this case they are not a woman. They have not been through the 'rites of passage' that equates to being a woman. There are certainly genuine hermaphrodites and those who have known that they are in 'the wrong body' from an early age and this is being addressed in many circumstances. However there seem to be a few men in all walks of life (particularly those wealthy and influential ones) who seem to think that they can change the hand they were dealt at birth and everyone has to accept it and in some cases expect the NHS to pay for it." Ouch! They are not misleading people if they have legally become a woman. As for the rites of passage, do you think every woman goes through the same "passage" , so to speak? Take the menopause (please bloody take it ): Some women sail through it whereas others have 10+ years of hot flushes, night sweats and mood swings.
As for the "some men...", you really think they are going to change their sex on a whim?
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"The main issue as we see it is that no one should be misled. A Post-op TS that claims to be a woman is misleading people. In this case they are not a woman. They have not been through the 'rites of passage' that equates to being a woman. There are certainly genuine hermaphrodites and those who have known that they are in 'the wrong body' from an early age and this is being addressed in many circumstances. However there seem to be a few men in all walks of life (particularly those wealthy and influential ones) who seem to think that they can change the hand they were dealt at birth and everyone has to accept it and in some cases expect the NHS to pay for it. Ouch! They are not misleading people if they have legally become a woman. As for the rites of passage, do you think every woman goes through the same "passage" , so to speak? Take the menopause (please bloody take it ): Some women sail through it whereas others have 10+ years of hot flushes, night sweats and mood swings.
As for the "some men...", you really think they are going to change their sex on a whim?
Crikey "And do you seriously think that there are not men who want to change on a whim? Then you don't know much about men. There are a lot of people, even on this site, who are genuinely dismayed and concerned about the issue of 'gender fluidity' particularly when it concerns very young children being offered hormones and even surgery as has been seen on tv recently. Our point, if you bothered to note was that no one should be misled. If a TS did not reveal that they were once a man before engaging in sexual activity with a hetero man that would be wrong. | |||
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"The main issue as we see it is that no one should be misled. A Post-op TS that claims to be a woman is misleading people. In this case they are not a woman. They have not been through the 'rites of passage' that equates to being a woman. There are certainly genuine hermaphrodites and those who have known that they are in 'the wrong body' from an early age and this is being addressed in many circumstances. However there seem to be a few men in all walks of life (particularly those wealthy and influential ones) who seem to think that they can change the hand they were dealt at birth and everyone has to accept it and in some cases expect the NHS to pay for it. Ouch! They are not misleading people if they have legally become a woman. As for the rites of passage, do you think every woman goes through the same "passage" , so to speak? Take the menopause (please bloody take it ): Some women sail through it whereas others have 10+ years of hot flushes, night sweats and mood swings.
As for the "some men...", you really think they are going to change their sex on a whim?
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And do you seriously think that there are not men who want to change on a whim? Then you don't know much about men. There are a lot of people, even on this site, who are genuinely dismayed and concerned about the issue of 'gender fluidity' particularly when it concerns very young children being offered hormones and even surgery as has been seen on tv recently.
Our point, if you bothered to note was that no one should be misled. If a TS did not reveal that they were once a man before engaging in sexual activity with a hetero man that would be wrong."No i don't think there are men who want to change on a whim as it's not a decision to make overnight, nor is it a quick process. I assume, especially where it's done through the public purse (NHS) that a great deal of counselling is done beforehand. As for your point it was noted and apart from my comment regarding legality , it was ignored. Your pov is a moral one. | |||
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"Non vanilla cupcake, why is it non site supporters always complain about the site and want changes, where does the money magically come from? You have a choice, stay as a member of fab, you might say put up, shut up. Or leave if you don't like how it works...you might say don't let the door hit your arse on the way out! " So, what you're saying is that cos i am not presently a silver/gold member (or enjoying benefits of said membership), i have no voice in the forum? No, you wouldn't be saying something so futile and hence foolish, when i am using the site inline with (a) the rules and (b) my membership. | |||
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"The main issue as we see it is that no one should be misled. A Post-op TS that claims to be a woman is misleading people. In this case they are not a woman. They have not been through the 'rites of passage' that equates to being a woman. There are certainly genuine hermaphrodites and those who have known that they are in 'the wrong body' from an early age and this is being addressed in many circumstances. However there seem to be a few men in all walks of life (particularly those wealthy and influential ones) who seem to think that they can change the hand they were dealt at birth and everyone has to accept it and in some cases expect the NHS to pay for it. Ouch! They are not misleading people if they have legally become a woman. As for the rites of passage, do you think every woman goes through the same "passage" , so to speak? Take the menopause (please bloody take it ): Some women sail through it whereas others have 10+ years of hot flushes, night sweats and mood swings.
As for the "some men...", you really think they are going to change their sex on a whim?
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And do you seriously think that there are not men who want to change on a whim? Then you don't know much about men. There are a lot of people, even on this site, who are genuinely dismayed and concerned about the issue of 'gender fluidity' particularly when it concerns very young children being offered hormones and even surgery as has been seen on tv recently.
Our point, if you bothered to note was that no one should be misled. If a TS did not reveal that they were once a man before engaging in sexual activity with a hetero man that would be wrong.
No i don't think there are men who want to change on a whim as it's not a decision to make overnight, nor is it a quick process. I assume, especially where it's done through the public purse (NHS) that a great deal of counselling is done beforehand.
As for your point it was noted and apart from my comment regarding legality , it was ignored. Your pov is a moral one."There is not a country in the world where you can legally undergo reassignment surgery 'on a whim'. Whether one goes through NHS or via private there are criteria that have to be met according to WPATH standards. There will always be those who will not accept that trans people are genuine but,their opinion changes nothing. No person is 'born a man' or 'born a woman'. Some may consider this point to be pointless pedantry but the fact is we are all born as babies and we develop into the women and men we are to day,each of our journeys into adulthood is different and unique,our 'rites of passage' also are unique to each of us. | |||
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"The main issue as we see it is that no one should be misled. A Post-op TS that claims to be a woman is misleading people. In this case they are not a woman. They have not been through the 'rites of passage' that equates to being a woman. There are certainly genuine hermaphrodites and those who have known that they are in 'the wrong body' from an early age and this is being addressed in many circumstances. However there seem to be a few men in all walks of life (particularly those wealthy and influential ones) who seem to think that they can change the hand they were dealt at birth and everyone has to accept it and in some cases expect the NHS to pay for it. Ouch! They are not misleading people if they have legally become a woman. As for the rites of passage, do you think every woman goes through the same "passage" , so to speak? Take the menopause (please bloody take it ): Some women sail through it whereas others have 10+ years of hot flushes, night sweats and mood swings.
As for the "some men...", you really think they are going to change their sex on a whim?
Crikey
And do you seriously think that there are not men who want to change on a whim? Then you don't know much about men. There are a lot of people, even on this site, who are genuinely dismayed and concerned about the issue of 'gender fluidity' particularly when it concerns very young children being offered hormones and even surgery as has been seen on tv recently.
Our point, if you bothered to note was that no one should be misled. If a TS did not reveal that they were once a man before engaging in sexual activity with a hetero man that would be wrong.
No i don't think there are men who want to change on a whim as it's not a decision to make overnight, nor is it a quick process. I assume, especially where it's done through the public purse (NHS) that a great deal of counselling is done beforehand.
As for your point it was noted and apart from my comment regarding legality , it was ignored. Your pov is a moral one.
There is not a country in the world where you can legally undergo reassignment surgery 'on a whim'. Whether one goes through NHS or via private there are criteria that have to be met according to WPATH standards.
There will always be those who will not accept that trans people are genuine but,their opinion changes nothing.
No person is 'born a man' or 'born a woman'. Some may consider this point to be pointless pedantry but the fact is we are all born as babies and we develop into the women and men we are to day,each of our journeys into adulthood is different and unique,our 'rites of passage' also are unique to each of us. "Just been doing a little research to confirm what I already knew. The person who claims that it would be wrong for a trans woman to fail to disclose her transness to a male partner,is incorrect. It may be wrong in some peoples opinion but certainly not illegal (holding or not holding of a GRC makes no difference to this). To disclose a trans persons former identity without that persons consent or knowledge would,however,be illegal.Possibly attracting a fine of £5000. (sources,CPS guidelines on transgender equality,Human Rights Act 1998 and Equality Act 2010). | |||
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"To be fair to you nasty. When i read these kind of theads, you're the only male to fem that i read with a female "voice" inside my head. If that makes any sense to you! Totally unconscious decision, just how you come across i guess "That's interesting, I read posts with my voice in my head not a different gendered voice depending on the person. I never noticed that before, weird | |||
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"To be fair to you nasty. When i read these kind of theads, you're the only male to fem that i read with a female "voice" inside my head. If that makes any sense to you! Totally unconscious decision, just how you come across i guess
That's interesting, I read posts with my voice in my head not a different gendered voice depending on the person. I never noticed that before, weird "Its to do with the rhythm of how things are written i think, and the way points are put across. Reasonably from a woman, and aggressively from a man. | |||
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" No person is 'born a man' or 'born a woman'. " This is pure silliness, your conflating the language of sex and gender. There are two categories of sex which over 99% of people will fit into before birth. Later in life those people may decide the live their life another way, they will never change their chromosomes and will need artifical hormones to make the transition. Their sex will always be what it is was in the womb but legally they will be recognised as another gender. Hence the term "gender recognition certificate". It's not even true to say that babies aren't born a gender, there are biological differenes between the sexes that put them on different life trajectories, just because not everyone will follow the same one, it doesn't invalidate the clear correlation. Some of it is socialisation but actually if you look at sweden, which is largely considered to be the most equal country by gender, the biological differences are mode pronounced in the workforce - not less!!! | |||
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"To be fair to you nasty. When i read these kind of theads, you're the only male to fem that i read with a female "voice" inside my head. If that makes any sense to you! Totally unconscious decision, just how you come across i guess
That's interesting, I read posts with my voice in my head not a different gendered voice depending on the person. I never noticed that before, weird
Its to do with the rhythm of how things are written i think, and the way points are put across. Reasonably from a woman, and aggressively from a man. "Ah, I can't normally pick up on that. I still have to check who has written the post because it can be so varied. | |||
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" No person is 'born a man' or 'born a woman'. This is pure silliness, your conflating the language of sex and gender. There are two categories of sex which over 99% of people will fit into before birth. Later in life those people may decide the live their life another way, they will never change their chromosomes and will need artifical hormones to make the transition. Their sex will always be what it is was in the womb but legally they will be recognised as another gender. Hence the term "gender recognition certificate". It's not even true to say that babies aren't born a gender, there are biological differenes between the sexes that put them on different life trajectories, just because not everyone will follow the same one, it doesn't invalidate the clear correlation. Some of it is socialisation but actually if you look at sweden, which is largely considered to be the most equal country by gender, the biological differences are mode pronounced in the workforce - not less!!! " A man is an adult male and a woman is an adult female.None of us are born fully developed.The change from child to adult is a journey which is different for all of us. I'm sure your journey into adulthood would have been different from my sisters but that doesn't make her less a woman because she did not share your experiences (nor vice versa,of course). It's easy to say things like @your sex is determined in the womb and cannot be changed' 'your chromosomes and DNA determine your sex and cannot be changed' but,how is any person ever to know anything at all about another persons body chemistry or what went on in the womb? Are we all to be forced to undergo tests? I would refuse anyway. So,how do we tell what sex someone is? A simple visual check would seem to be enough in most cases (although some would say not) but even then,the person has to agree to show themselves. So how about just taking another persons word for it,and not assuming we know other people better than they know themselves. Assuming being the operative word in most of what is stated in a lot of these kind of threads. | |||
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"To be fair to you nasty. When i read these kind of theads, you're the only male to fem that i read with a female "voice" inside my head. If that makes any sense to you! Totally unconscious decision, just how you come across i guess
That's interesting, I read posts with my voice in my head not a different gendered voice depending on the person. I never noticed that before, weird
Its to do with the rhythm of how things are written i think, and the way points are put across. Reasonably from a woman, and aggressively from a man. "My voice actually sounds like Brian Blessed trying to attract someones attention across a noisy room. | |||
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" No person is 'born a man' or 'born a woman'. This is pure silliness, your conflating the language of sex and gender. There are two categories of sex which over 99% of people will fit into before birth. Later in life those people may decide the live their life another way, they will never change their chromosomes and will need artifical hormones to make the transition. Their sex will always be what it is was in the womb but legally they will be recognised as another gender. Hence the term "gender recognition certificate". It's not even true to say that babies aren't born a gender, there are biological differenes between the sexes that put them on different life trajectories, just because not everyone will follow the same one, it doesn't invalidate the clear correlation. Some of it is socialisation but actually if you look at sweden, which is largely considered to be the most equal country by gender, the biological differences are mode pronounced in the workforce - not less!!! A man is an adult male and a woman is an adult female.None of us are born fully developed.The change from child to adult is a journey which is different for all of us. I'm sure your journey into adulthood would have been different from my sisters but that doesn't make her less a woman because she did not share your experiences (nor vice versa,of course). It's easy to say things like @your sex is determined in the womb and cannot be changed' 'your chromosomes and DNA determine your sex and cannot be changed' but,how is any person ever to know anything at all about another persons body chemistry or what went on in the womb? Are we all to be forced to undergo tests? I would refuse anyway. So,how do we tell what sex someone is? A simple visual check would seem to be enough in most cases (although some would say not) but even then,the person has to agree to show themselves. So how about just taking another persons word for it,and not assuming we know other people better than they know themselves. Assuming being the operative word in most of what is stated in a lot of these kind of threads." You know I'm a guy right? Anyway biology tells us what the male and female sexes are. If you think this is subjective then please lock two men in a room until they can make a baby together. You seem to fall into a post-modernist trap of finding a small flaw in the conventional terminology and extrapolating that into a reason to get rid of it. I think that's a very big mistake but logically and for its implications. | |||
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"To be fair to you nasty. When i read these kind of theads, you're the only male to fem that i read with a female "voice" inside my head. If that makes any sense to you! Totally unconscious decision, just how you come across i guess
That's interesting, I read posts with my voice in my head not a different gendered voice depending on the person. I never noticed that before, weird
Its to do with the rhythm of how things are written i think, and the way points are put across. Reasonably from a woman, and aggressively from a man.
My voice actually sounds like Brian Blessed trying to attract someones attention across a noisy room. "That's as maybe, but you come across as female. To me anyway. | |||
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" No person is 'born a man' or 'born a woman'. This is pure silliness, your conflating the language of sex and gender. There are two categories of sex which over 99% of people will fit into before birth. Later in life those people may decide the live their life another way, they will never change their chromosomes and will need artifical hormones to make the transition. Their sex will always be what it is was in the womb but legally they will be recognised as another gender. Hence the term "gender recognition certificate". It's not even true to say that babies aren't born a gender, there are biological differenes between the sexes that put them on different life trajectories, just because not everyone will follow the same one, it doesn't invalidate the clear correlation. Some of it is socialisation but actually if you look at sweden, which is largely considered to be the most equal country by gender, the biological differences are mode pronounced in the workforce - not less!!! A man is an adult male and a woman is an adult female.None of us are born fully developed.The change from child to adult is a journey which is different for all of us. I'm sure your journey into adulthood would have been different from my sisters but that doesn't make her less a woman because she did not share your experiences (nor vice versa,of course). It's easy to say things like @your sex is determined in the womb and cannot be changed' 'your chromosomes and DNA determine your sex and cannot be changed' but,how is any person ever to know anything at all about another persons body chemistry or what went on in the womb? Are we all to be forced to undergo tests? I would refuse anyway. So,how do we tell what sex someone is? A simple visual check would seem to be enough in most cases (although some would say not) but even then,the person has to agree to show themselves. So how about just taking another persons word for it,and not assuming we know other people better than they know themselves. Assuming being the operative word in most of what is stated in a lot of these kind of threads. You know I'm a guy right? Anyway biology tells us what the male and female sexes are. If you think this is subjective then please lock two men in a room until they can make a baby together. You seem to fall into a post-modernist trap of finding a small flaw in the conventional terminology and extrapolating that into a reason to get rid of it. I think that's a very big mistake but logically and for its implications. " You say you're a guy and I require no further proof. My point about no one being born a woman or born a man,was not saying that we are not born male or female.Those two sexes do exist and even I am prepared to acknowledge that point.My point was about development,we all develop into the adults we are today,that development takes many forms.For the majority,hopefully,it is a relatively smooth journey.For some others it may be more difficult,sometimes requiring medical or surgical intervention. You may say that a person is not who they say they are because of that intervention but,as staed before,that opinion changes nothing. As for conflating the language of sex and gender,I did not do that. I have referred only to the language of physical sex. Female and Male,Man and Woman. The behavioral characteristics that we call Feminine and Masculine are wholly learned and the product of socialisation,in my opinion. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?" Yes I concur!! ???????????? | |||
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"To be fair to you nasty. When i read these kind of theads, you're the only male to fem that i read with a female "voice" inside my head. If that makes any sense to you! Totally unconscious decision, just how you come across i guess
That's interesting, I read posts with my voice in my head not a different gendered voice depending on the person. I never noticed that before, weird
Its to do with the rhythm of how things are written i think, and the way points are put across. Reasonably from a woman, and aggressively from a man.
My voice actually sounds like Brian Blessed trying to attract someones attention across a noisy room.
That's as maybe, but you come across as female. To me anyway. "You are simply too kind. | |||
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"To be fair to you nasty. When i read these kind of theads, you're the only male to fem that i read with a female "voice" inside my head. If that makes any sense to you! Totally unconscious decision, just how you come across i guess
That's interesting, I read posts with my voice in my head not a different gendered voice depending on the person. I never noticed that before, weird
Its to do with the rhythm of how things are written i think, and the way points are put across. Reasonably from a woman, and aggressively from a man.
My voice actually sounds like Brian Blessed trying to attract someones attention across a noisy room.
That's as maybe, but you come across as female. To me anyway.
You are simply too kind. "Just sayin' is all. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? Yes I concur!! ????????????" You're not seeing it as me moaning about the site then | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? Yes I concur!! ???????????? You're not seeing it as me moaning about the site then "Nothing wrong with moaning as long as it's constructive. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? Yes I concur!! ???????????? You're not seeing it as me moaning about the site then
Nothing wrong with moaning as long as it's constructive."It's neither a moan nor a complaint (to which i was foolishly accused of). It's a composition suggesting astonishment of the two very different spectrums being lumped together in this day and age. The owners who took over this very basic software platform have been making small improvements. Hopefully one day they'll be able to change this sex status "error". | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? Yes I concur!! ???????????? You're not seeing it as me moaning about the site then
Nothing wrong with moaning as long as it's constructive.
It's neither a moan nor a complaint (to which i was foolishly accused of). It's a composition suggesting astonishment of the two very different spectrums being lumped together in this day and age.
The owners who took over this very basic software platform have been making small improvements. Hopefully one day they'll be able to change this sex status "error"."Spot on | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? Yes I concur!! ???????????? You're not seeing it as me moaning about the site then
Nothing wrong with moaning as long as it's constructive.
It's neither a moan nor a complaint (to which i was foolishly accused of). It's a composition suggesting astonishment of the two very different spectrums being lumped together in this day and age.
The owners who took over this very basic software platform have been making small improvements. Hopefully one day they'll be able to change this sex status "error"."Exactly,you were being constructive,suggesting a change and inviting discussion. If you had just said,'this site is a load of rubbish' without suggesting any way to improve it,that would have been just moaning....but, you didn't. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? Yes I concur!! ???????????? You're not seeing it as me moaning about the site then
Nothing wrong with moaning as long as it's constructive.
It's neither a moan nor a complaint (to which i was foolishly accused of). It's a composition suggesting astonishment of the two very different spectrums being lumped together in this day and age.
The owners who took over this very basic software platform have been making small improvements. Hopefully one day they'll be able to change this sex status "error".
Exactly,you were being constructive,suggesting a change and inviting discussion.
If you had just said,'this site is a load of rubbish' without suggesting any way to improve it,that would have been just moaning....but, you didn't. "I'm just simply angelic | |||
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" No person is 'born a man' or 'born a woman'. This is pure silliness, your conflating the language of sex and gender. There are two categories of sex which over 99% of people will fit into before birth. Later in life those people may decide the live their life another way, they will never change their chromosomes and will need artifical hormones to make the transition. Their sex will always be what it is was in the womb but legally they will be recognised as another gender. Hence the term "gender recognition certificate". It's not even true to say that babies aren't born a gender, there are biological differenes between the sexes that put them on different life trajectories, just because not everyone will follow the same one, it doesn't invalidate the clear correlation. Some of it is socialisation but actually if you look at sweden, which is largely considered to be the most equal country by gender, the biological differences are mode pronounced in the workforce - not less!!! A man is an adult male and a woman is an adult female.None of us are born fully developed.The change from child to adult is a journey which is different for all of us. I'm sure your journey into adulthood would have been different from my sisters but that doesn't make her less a woman because she did not share your experiences (nor vice versa,of course). It's easy to say things like @your sex is determined in the womb and cannot be changed' 'your chromosomes and DNA determine your sex and cannot be changed' but,how is any person ever to know anything at all about another persons body chemistry or what went on in the womb? Are we all to be forced to undergo tests? I would refuse anyway. So,how do we tell what sex someone is? A simple visual check would seem to be enough in most cases (although some would say not) but even then,the person has to agree to show themselves. So how about just taking another persons word for it,and not assuming we know other people better than they know themselves. Assuming being the operative word in most of what is stated in a lot of these kind of threads. You know I'm a guy right? Anyway biology tells us what the male and female sexes are. If you think this is subjective then please lock two men in a room until they can make a baby together. You seem to fall into a post-modernist trap of finding a small flaw in the conventional terminology and extrapolating that into a reason to get rid of it. I think that's a very big mistake but logically and for its implications. You say you're a guy and I require no further proof. My point about no one being born a woman or born a man,was not saying that we are not born male or female.Those two sexes do exist and even I am prepared to acknowledge that point.My point was about development,we all develop into the adults we are today,that development takes many forms.For the majority,hopefully,it is a relatively smooth journey.For some others it may be more difficult,sometimes requiring medical or surgical intervention. You may say that a person is not who they say they are because of that intervention but,as staed before,that opinion changes nothing. As for conflating the language of sex and gender,I did not do that. I have referred only to the language of physical sex. Female and Male,Man and Woman. The behavioral characteristics that we call Feminine and Masculine are wholly learned and the product of socialisation,in my opinion. " I only said you know I'm a guy because a couple of times i thought you assumed it was my wife writing. I don't see how you could possibly hold the opinion that masculinity and femininity are wholly learnt. They are partially learned but our biology, which we agree is different, has created differing incentives that manifest themselves in our genes and neurobiology today, this really isn't up for debate in the scientific community. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? " Because of a spectrum of lunberjack to primary school teacher, they are closer to the lumberjack. Some people want to tear up the spectrum and burn it all down. Some of us think it's easy enough to educate people that there is a spectrum and all places on it are valuable to society. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? " Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? | |||
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"The main issue as we see it is that no one should be misled. A Post-op TS that claims to be a woman is misleading people. In this case they are not a woman. They have not been through the 'rites of passage' that equates to being a woman. There are certainly genuine hermaphrodites and those who have known that they are in 'the wrong body' from an early age and this is being addressed in many circumstances. However there seem to be a few men in all walks of life (particularly those wealthy and influential ones) who seem to think that they can change the hand they were dealt at birth and everyone has to accept it and in some cases expect the NHS to pay for it." The ‘rights of passage’ to equate to being a woman?
I’m guessing you mean periods? There are plenty of women who have never had a period and never will.
Seems a bit mean to be telling them they aren’t women. I imagine they feel enough pain that they can’t have children without you putting the boot in. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly?" I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. | |||
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"Should we ask for a separate TV/TS forum in 'suggestions' to handle all the TV threads this week? "Just do it like the BBWs do! | |||
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"Should we ask for a separate TV/TS forum in 'suggestions' to handle all the TV threads this week?
Just do it like the BBWs do!"That would be transphobic. | |||
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"Should we ask for a separate TV/TS forum in 'suggestions' to handle all the TV threads this week? "Oh come now, let's get a dating forum first | |||
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"Should we ask for a separate TV/TS forum in 'suggestions' to handle all the TV threads this week?
Just do it like the BBWs do!
That would be transphobic."How cums? | |||
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"Should we ask for a separate TV/TS forum in 'suggestions' to handle all the TV threads this week?
Just do it like the BBWs do!
That would be transphobic.
How cums?"I don't know, it just seems the thing to say on these threads.. | |||
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"There is nothing funnier or sadder or more troubling than people who don't identify as x telling people who do identify as x what x means, or that they're doing it wrong. I know it will be a bit of work for the database team but would it be so hard to change a few tables and allow us all to self identify rather than having the current limits range of permitted options?" Ignoring software options, you're proposing gender identity statuses? I do see that as a problem for members, filters and choices. The way i see it is biological sex status man, woman, couple (m/f, ff, mm) and currently tv/ts exists for profiles. Now TV isn't a biological sex status, it's a lifestyle choice whereas ts is a person in the wrong physical body ie biological sex, so therefore ts (or tg) covers this. Another person mentioned gender identity inc gender fluidity, gender neutral etc but wouldn't this cause chaos in those who do searches? Surely the seeker is choosing biological sex/ physical body first and then sexual orientation of that "body" second? | |||
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"There is nothing funnier or sadder or more troubling than people who don't identify as x telling people who do identify as x what x means, or that they're doing it wrong. I know it will be a bit of work for the database team but would it be so hard to change a few tables and allow us all to self identify rather than having the current limits range of permitted options? Ignoring software options, you're proposing gender identity statuses? I do see that as a problem for members, filters and choices. The way i see it is biological sex status man, woman, couple (m/f, ff, mm) and currently tv/ts exists for profiles. Now TV isn't a biological sex status, it's a lifestyle choice whereas ts is a person in the wrong physical body ie biological sex, so therefore ts (or tg) covers this. Another person mentioned gender identity inc gender fluidity, gender neutral etc but wouldn't this cause chaos in those who do searches? Surely the seeker is choosing biological sex/ physical body first and then sexual orientation of that "body" second?" It would definitely require some workshopping, for sure! Ideally, you could just select whatever you want as an identifying label, like you can on a certain well known kink website. However, that website isn't about actively searching for people by those labels, like Fabs is. And as you say, Fabs might suffer if people stop using it because searching becomes too complicated. It's a shame the site admin isn't interested in floating some ideas for discussion. | |||
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"Why is it that everyone is an expert on this subject especially some that aren't even going through the transgender course." Expert on what, exactly? | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. " I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. | |||
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"Should we ask for a separate TV/TS forum in 'suggestions' to handle all the TV threads this week?
Just do it like the BBWs do!
That would be transphobic.
How cums?
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. " Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique! | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique! "Yes. Every three months. My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate. My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique!
Yes. Every three months.
My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate.
My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty. "So did they try and bring your t levels back to normal before they started anything else? | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique!
Yes. Every three months.
My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate.
My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty. "Breasts at puberty is quite common. Happened to me, and to my dad in his 80's. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique!
Yes. Every three months.
My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate.
My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty.
So did they try and bring your t levels back to normal before they started anything else? "Not at all. They aim to get our levels low so already being low is a good thing. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique!
Yes. Every three months.
My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate.
My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty.
So did they try and bring your t levels back to normal before they started anything else?
Not at all. They aim to get our levels low so already being low is a good thing. "That's ridiculous. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique!
Yes. Every three months.
My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate.
My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty.
So did they try and bring your t levels back to normal before they started anything else?
Not at all. They aim to get our levels low so already being low is a good thing.
That's ridiculous. "Eh? Why? | |||
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"Why is it that everyone is an expert on this subject especially some that aren't even going through the transgender course. Expert on what, exactly? " Exactly my point. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique!
Yes. Every three months.
My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate.
My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty.
So did they try and bring your t levels back to normal before they started anything else?
Not at all. They aim to get our levels low so already being low is a good thing.
That's ridiculous.
Eh? Why? "Why wouldn't a Dr make sure you're physically 100% normal hormonaly before moving on with a change of gender? We all know the effect of hormones on how we think and feel. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique!
Yes. Every three months.
My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate.
My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty.
So did they try and bring your t levels back to normal before they started anything else?
Not at all. They aim to get our levels low so already being low is a good thing.
That's ridiculous.
Eh? Why?
Why wouldn't a Dr make sure you're physically 100% normal hormonaly before moving on with a change of gender? We all know the effect of hormones on how we think and feel. "Oh I see what you mean now. My t level was just inside the lower end of acceptable for a male so not a concern. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique!
Yes. Every three months.
My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate.
My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty.
So did they try and bring your t levels back to normal before they started anything else?
Not at all. They aim to get our levels low so already being low is a good thing.
That's ridiculous.
Eh? Why?
Why wouldn't a Dr make sure you're physically 100% normal hormonaly before moving on with a change of gender? We all know the effect of hormones on how we think and feel.
Oh I see what you mean now.
My t level was just inside the lower end of acceptable for a male so not a concern. "Right o. Good. It was sounding like you'd changed your engine because the air filter was blocked. | |||
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"So did they try and bring your t levels back to normal before they started anything else? Not at all. They aim to get our levels low so already being low is a good thing. That's ridiculous. Eh? Why? Why wouldn't a Dr make sure you're physically 100% normal hormonaly before moving on with a change of gender? We all know the effect of hormones on how we think and feel. " The thought had crossed my mind when I first started transitioning. I had higher than normal testosterone. But there were so many times before puberty where I knew something was wrong with me, so before hormones had kicked in. If it was just down to "correcting" hormone levels then we would only become trans from puberty onwards and it would be easily fixable. But instead we undergo psychiatric assessments with at least (for me anyway) 3 different psychiatrists, and my hormones were checked multiple times to try to find if something was wrong with me before they would put me on hormone treatment, but they couldn't find anything. I was so comfortable as male that the first psychiatrist thought I was male to female! and there has been no doubt or question that transitioning was the right path for me. If it was just down to hormones then that would be the treatment. | |||
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"Why wouldn't a Dr make sure you're physically 100% normal hormonaly before moving on with a change of gender? We all know the effect of hormones on how we think and feel. Oh I see what you mean now. My t level was just inside the lower end of acceptable for a male so not a concern. " Or we can go with a quick reply like that why do I write essays all the time
Mine was also within the female range just higher that normal. I think I had polycystic ovaries but it's never been proven. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique!
Yes. Every three months.
My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate.
My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty.
So did they try and bring your t levels back to normal before they started anything else?
Not at all. They aim to get our levels low so already being low is a good thing.
That's ridiculous.
Eh? Why?
Why wouldn't a Dr make sure you're physically 100% normal hormonaly before moving on with a change of gender? We all know the effect of hormones on how we think and feel.
Oh I see what you mean now.
My t level was just inside the lower end of acceptable for a male so not a concern.
Right o. Good. It was sounding like you'd changed your engine because the air filter was blocked. " good analogy
What I feel, the way I think, etc is way more than hormonal. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique!
Yes. Every three months.
My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate.
My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty.
So did they try and bring your t levels back to normal before they started anything else?
Not at all. They aim to get our levels low so already being low is a good thing.
That's ridiculous.
Eh? Why?
Why wouldn't a Dr make sure you're physically 100% normal hormonaly before moving on with a change of gender? We all know the effect of hormones on how we think and feel.
Oh I see what you mean now.
My t level was just inside the lower end of acceptable for a male so not a concern.
Right o. Good. It was sounding like you'd changed your engine because the air filter was blocked.
good analogy
What I feel, the way I think, etc is way more than hormonal. "I'm not convinced. But i respect your life choice. | |||
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"Why do men with higher than average testosterone counts seem more masculine? Do they? How do you determine this? It's quite rare to have your testosterone tested. Do you get a pocket kit for it or something so that you can test people you suspect of not being manly? I think i watched a "horizon" about it. But its not hard to spot a guy with a high T count. Bald, stocky, hairy chest. Its not rocket science. I have a friend who had testicular cancer. He now has testosterone pills or injections (I’m not sure which) because his remaining nut is not the dominant one. It took a while to get his levels right and when they were high he found himself very aggressive and low made him very lethargic. Did you have your t levels checked as part of your transition? I assume yours were a good level due to your muscular physique!
Yes. Every three months.
My baseline levels were actually very low before they intervened, which probably explains why I’m so calm all the time and have very little urge to penetrate.
My oestrogen levels on the other hand were still in limits for a male but at the upper end, which may go some way to explaining how I feel and why my skin was already softer than many females. I also started to develop breasts as at puberty.
So did they try and bring your t levels back to normal before they started anything else?
Not at all. They aim to get our levels low so already being low is a good thing.
That's ridiculous.
Eh? Why?
Why wouldn't a Dr make sure you're physically 100% normal hormonaly before moving on with a change of gender? We all know the effect of hormones on how we think and feel.
Oh I see what you mean now.
My t level was just inside the lower end of acceptable for a male so not a concern.
Right o. Good. It was sounding like you'd changed your engine because the air filter was blocked.
good analogy
What I feel, the way I think, etc is way more than hormonal.
I'm not convinced. But i respect your life choice. "To be fair, convincing others is the least of my concern. The people who can help me are and that’s all that really matters. | |||
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"There is nothing funnier or sadder or more troubling than people who don't identify as x telling people who do identify as x what x means, or that they're doing it wrong. I know it will be a bit of work for the database team but would it be so hard to change a few tables and allow us all to self identify rather than having the current limits range of permitted options? Ignoring software options, you're proposing gender identity statuses? I do see that as a problem for members, filters and choices. The way i see it is biological sex status man, woman, couple (m/f, ff, mm) and currently tv/ts exists for profiles. Now TV isn't a biological sex status, it's a lifestyle choice whereas ts is a person in the wrong physical body ie biological sex, so therefore ts (or tg) covers this. Another person mentioned gender identity inc gender fluidity, gender neutral etc but wouldn't this cause chaos in those who do searches? Surely the seeker is choosing biological sex/ physical body first and then sexual orientation of that "body" second?" Nope. I'm proposing self identification as a principle, both for gender and sexual orientation. I'm not bi, I'm queer. I think there's a difference. Why shouldn't I be allowed to choose queer as my orientation? I can't speak for anybody else but me, but I choose orientation first; genitals and body comes after. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?" I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. " But for 95% people, their sex and gender are the same | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. But for 95% people, their sex and gender are the same" I do agree that based on current evidence, the vast majority of people agree that their *sex* and *gender* are in alignment. But *sex* and *gender* are two different terminologies however. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. But for 95% people, their sex and gender are the same I do agree that based on current evidence, the vast majority of people agree that their *sex* and *gender* are in alignment. But *sex* and *gender* are two different terminologies however. " I think you may be referring to sexuality and gender. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. But for 95% people, their sex and gender are the same I do agree that based on current evidence, the vast majority of people agree that their *sex* and *gender* are in alignment. But *sex* and *gender* are two different terminologies however. I think you may be referring to sexuality and gender. "No, I'm not actually | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. But for 95% people, their sex and gender are the same I do agree that based on current evidence, the vast majority of people agree that their *sex* and *gender* are in alignment. But *sex* and *gender* are two different terminologies however. I think you may be referring to sexuality and gender.
No, I'm not actually "Oh. Ok. Crack on then | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. But for 95% people, their sex and gender are the same I do agree that based on current evidence, the vast majority of people agree that their *sex* and *gender* are in alignment. But *sex* and *gender* are two different terminologies however. I think you may be referring to sexuality and gender. "Why would you think that? I'd say sexuality doesn't really allign very well, i think the best estimates are that 30% of men have achieved orgasm with another man at some point, or fab straight as we call them. There are a lot less lesbians than gay men though. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. But for 95% people, their sex and gender are the same I do agree that based on current evidence, the vast majority of people agree that their *sex* and *gender* are in alignment. But *sex* and *gender* are two different terminologies however. I think you may be referring to sexuality and gender.
No, I'm not actually
Oh. Ok. Crack on then "Haha, when you say sexuality, I assume you mean *sexual orientation*? Yes I'm definitely not assuming that is the same as either *gender* or *sex* in my comment above | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. But for 95% people, their sex and gender are the same I do agree that based on current evidence, the vast majority of people agree that their *sex* and *gender* are in alignment. But *sex* and *gender* are two different terminologies however. I think you may be referring to sexuality and gender.
Why would you think that? I'd say sexuality doesn't really allign very well, i think the best estimates are that 30% of men have achieved orgasm with another man at some point, or fab straight as we call them. There are a lot less lesbians than gay men though."I said it because sexuality and gender are completely unrelated. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. But for 95% people, their sex and gender are the same I do agree that based on current evidence, the vast majority of people agree that their *sex* and *gender* are in alignment. But *sex* and *gender* are two different terminologies however. I think you may be referring to sexuality and gender.
No, I'm not actually
Oh. Ok. Crack on then
Haha, when you say sexuality, I assume you mean *sexual orientation*?
Yes I'm definitely not assuming that is the same as either *gender* or *sex* in my comment above "I just misread or misunderstood your point. Having a blonde moment. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. But for 95% people, their sex and gender are the same I do agree that based on current evidence, the vast majority of people agree that their *sex* and *gender* are in alignment. But *sex* and *gender* are two different terminologies however. I think you may be referring to sexuality and gender.
Why would you think that? I'd say sexuality doesn't really allign very well, i think the best estimates are that 30% of men have achieved orgasm with another man at some point, or fab straight as we call them. There are a lot less lesbians than gay men though.
I said it because sexuality and gender are completely unrelated. "Well they correlate pretty well in the sense that the vast majority of men are sexually attracted to women and vice versa. But if you mean that it's unwise to assume that someone who changes their gender would change their sexual preferences then i totally get that. | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?" Yes | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status?" It is a questionable subject but perticuly quite sensitive because people some people see themselves as a gender but others see themselves as netral | |||
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"Non vanilla cupcake, why is it non site supporters always complain about the site and want changes, where does the money magically come from? You have a choice, stay as a member of fab, you might say put up, shut up. Or leave if you don't like how it works...you might say don't let the door hit your arse on the way out! " Bloody hell. She only put up a suggestion! | |||
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"Feck it I'm not making coffee this time "Bugger I fancied a coffee as well . | |||
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"Why is it that everyone is an expert on this subject especially some that aren't even going through the transgender course. Expert on what, exactly? Exactly my point." Thank you for your wonderful contribution | |||
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"Isn't it about time this site recognised the huge difference between transvestite and transgender and gave them their own status? I am inclined to agree, seeing how these are two completely different self descriptions, it's baffling why they have even been clubbed together in the first place. However it's more important to listen to the views of those who identify as TV/TS or anywhere on the *gender spectrum* on what options they should be given when describing themselves. As a side note, a lot of people seem to be using the terms "sex" and "gender" interchangeably as if they have the same meaning and terminology. They actually don't. " Yes they are not interchangeable. For gender identity, anyone can label themselves as they wish in their profile blurb, whereas profile status is used to identify the person(s) for the seeker, primarily. | |||
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"Non vanilla cupcake, why is it non site supporters always complain about the site and want changes, where does the money magically come from? You have a choice, stay as a member of fab, you might say put up, shut up. Or leave if you don't like how it works...you might say don't let the door hit your arse on the way out! Bloody hell. She only put up a suggestion!" Thank you | |||
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"Non vanilla cupcake, why is it non site supporters always complain about the site and want changes, where does the money magically come from? You have a choice, stay as a member of fab, you might say put up, shut up. Or leave if you don't like how it works...you might say don't let the door hit your arse on the way out! " I think this is a very rude and nasty reply. Non Vanilla cup cake is asking a valid question, she is not complaining, she is making a suggestion. To suggest she should leave is completely unwarranted. So what if she is not a site supporter, you don't have to be to use the forum. Non Vanilla Cup cake is a very popular and valued forum member. If you are not hapy with non site supporters making threads then maybe YOU should leave.. Oh and mind the door doesn't hit YOUR arse on the way out. | |||
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