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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So seeing as there's a thread discussing the inferior code.... how many of you Fabsters enjoy the 13 man/woman code and who's looking forward to England pummelling the Aussies in the WC final?  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Damn it! 2 replies and both bloody Wigan fans by the looks of it!
Could be worse and be Wire I suppose!
Big shock with Fiji beating NZ today. The Kiwis have been poor but still didn't see that coming tbh!  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Be great to see us lift the World Cup , also enjoyed playing both codes but league is better . Only my preference lol  "
Your preference yet definitely the right choice! Got roped into 1 game of Union when 18 and I think I touched the ball twice... it was generally hidden by all the fat guys cuddling on the floor! |
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"Oh yes, proper game played by people with manners and respect for the game and ref, football pfft! "
Well how come it ain't as popular as football.
You ignoring all the citing are you? All the free for all when it kicks off.
The biting, the eye gouging and so on.
I play hockey and you've described my sport. Not yours though. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Oh yes, proper game played by people with manners and respect for the game and ref, football pfft!
Well how come it ain't as popular as football.
You ignoring all the citing are you? All the free for all when it kicks off.
The biting, the eye gouging and so on.
I play hockey and you've described my sport. Not yours though."
TBF mate I think you're on the wrong thread. Gauging & biting is way more common in Union in the rucks & mauls. You're more likely to see a few "stray" elbows in league! |
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"Oh yes, proper game played by people with manners and respect for the game and ref, football pfft!
Well how come it ain't as popular as football.
You ignoring all the citing are you? All the free for all when it kicks off.
The biting, the eye gouging and so on.
I play hockey and you've described my sport. Not yours though.
TBF mate I think you're on the wrong thread. Gauging & biting is way more common in Union in the rucks & mauls. You're more likely to see a few "stray" elbows in league! "
Oh ok so there wasn't an issue a few weeks ago with that England player who by all accounts is shit hot (his name escapes me).
I get your point though and I don't wish to derail your thread and I'm not here to argue I was just pointing out that Rugby isn't the gentleman's game they all talk about in this case 'prodders'.
People cheat in all sports and I detest it.
Good luck to England by the way in the few remaining games left. |
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League everytime, also surprised by the NZ v Fiji result. Going to be a tough game against PNG, boy do they grow them big in Southern hemisphere. The Aussies as always look class and must be favourites, but it would be ace to beat them in their own backyard. Come to think of it it would be just ace to beat them anywhere. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm.off to Twickenham next weekend,i watched most of the WRC awesome performance by the England Women's team shame they don't get the same backing as the mens team |
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"Oh yes, proper game played by people with manners and respect for the game and ref, football pfft!
Well how come it ain't as popular as football.
You ignoring all the citing are you? All the free for all when it kicks off.
The biting, the eye gouging and so on.
I play hockey and you've described my sport. Not yours though.
TBF mate I think you're on the wrong thread. Gauging & biting is way more common in Union in the rucks & mauls. You're more likely to see a few "stray" elbows in league!
Oh ok so there wasn't an issue a few weeks ago with that England player who by all accounts is shit hot (his name escapes me).
I get your point though and I don't wish to derail your thread and I'm not here to argue I was just pointing out that Rugby isn't the gentleman's game they all talk about in this case 'prodders'.
People cheat in all sports and I detest it.
Good luck to England by the way in the few remaining games left."
You mean the one where tackler shoves his arm into his mouth? |
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"League everytime, also surprised by the NZ v Fiji result. Going to be a tough game against PNG, boy do they grow them big in Southern hemisphere. The Aussies as always look class and must be favourites, but it would be ace to beat them in their own backyard. Come to think of it it would be just ace to beat them anywhere. "
Fiji learnt from the tongans and had nz rattled.... great result, Lebanon came close with a pretty spirited performance.... England will have quite a battle on their hands in the morning with PNG. Great in any sport when ‘lesser’ sides raise the bar. |
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I got up with every intention of watching the nz game this morning but I didn't sleep well in truth and ended up napping .. i only caught the last twenty minutes when both sides were desperate for points.
Fiji winning is seismic for international RL |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh yes, proper game played by people with manners and respect for the game and ref, football pfft!
Well how come it ain't as popular as football.
You ignoring all the citing are you? All the free for all when it kicks off.
The biting, the eye gouging and so on.
I play hockey and you've described my sport. Not yours though."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"England might be getting a Kumeling tomorrow, - how are those eggs incubating? "
Nah England will be too professional and once they withstand the early onslaught they'll win fairly comfortably I'd say, around 16-20 points. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So seeing as there's a thread discussing the inferior code.... how many of you Fabsters enjoy the 13 man/woman code and who's looking forward to England pummelling the Aussies in the WC final? "
1st bit massive fan just currently doing my level 2 coaching badge
On the 2nd point I have serious doubts we will bet tonga |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So seeing as there's a thread discussing the inferior code.... how many of you Fabsters enjoy the 13 man/woman code and who's looking forward to England pummelling the Aussies in the WC final? "
.....and if you avoid the Kumulling this week it could be a Tonging next; - I hope the players aren't thinking about a final! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Peeps in  the mention of rugby gets me interested every time.
Sitting now watching Ireland v Fiji COYBIG
Mrs
what's the latest score?
#COYBIG"
Ireland won 23 -20 so I'll be celebrating
Mrs |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Peeps in the mention of rugby gets me interested every time.
Sitting now watching Ireland v Fiji COYBIG
Mrs
what's the latest score?
#COYBIG
Ireland won 23 -20 so I'll be celebrating
Mrs "
- too close but thanks |
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By *u4rFunMan
over a year ago
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England rfl tactics are spot on at the moment , expect the same in the semi and confident the boys will bring it home . Has I said in earlier post i enjoyed my later years in Union , I believe union has progressed over the last ten years with the influence off ex rugby LEAGUE personell getting involved in the admin , coaching and players in the union game. .But playing both codes its League easily , The social side is exactly the same , iv made great friends for life in both codes and regually enjoy a pint and banter with them all . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm sorry but England's tactics are anything spot on, I coach under 12s and would expect a better completion date of 60 percent, that is under 8s level, the defence is ok but their play is slow and has no penetration and just goes from one wing to the other with very little cutting edge
Mcgillvary has been outstanding I expect to see him in the nrl very soon |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Thread derailed by Union fans! Bugger off back to your own thread to discuss kick and clap please! "
I'd imagine that normal people enjoy both , - 'biscrumsual' is the technical term, I believe .... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Thread derailed by Union fans! Bugger off back to your own thread to discuss kick and clap please!
I'd imagine that normal people enjoy both , - 'biscrumsual' is the technical term, I believe ...."
Nope! The vast majority of league fans dislike Union and are bored rigid with it. The best thing they could do in Union is reduce the number of points for a penalty thus forcing both teams to run the ball more and get rid of the "we'll kick more points than you" mentality that 90% of teams have. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Thread derailed by Union fans! Bugger off back to your own thread to discuss kick and clap please!
I'd imagine that normal people enjoy both , - 'biscrumsual' is the technical term, I believe ....
Nope! The vast majority of league fans dislike Union and are bored rigid with it. The best thing they could do in Union is reduce the number of points for a penalty thus forcing both teams to run the ball more and get rid of the "we'll kick more points than you" mentality that 90% of teams have."
I agree about the 3 pts thing, & also league has it sussed with just 1 pt for a drop goal, - but your 'vast amount of league fans' point is from the 80's |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Thread derailed by Union fans! Bugger off back to your own thread to discuss kick and clap please!
I'd imagine that normal people enjoy both , - 'biscrumsual' is the technical term, I believe ....
Nope! The vast majority of league fans dislike Union and are bored rigid with it. The best thing they could do in Union is reduce the number of points for a penalty thus forcing both teams to run the ball more and get rid of the "we'll kick more points than you" mentality that 90% of teams have. I agree about the 3 pts thing, & also league has it sussed with just 1 pt for a drop goal, - but your 'vast amount of league fans' point is from the 80's"
Is it? Well that judgement is based on all my League supporting mates and the RL internet forums I use.i think you'll also find most Union fans don't give a toss about League. It's just the way it is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Thread derailed by Union fans! Bugger off back to your own thread to discuss kick and clap please!
I'd imagine that normal people enjoy both , - 'biscrumsual' is the technical term, I believe ....
Nope! The vast majority of league fans dislike Union and are bored rigid with it. The best thing they could do in Union is reduce the number of points for a penalty thus forcing both teams to run the ball more and get rid of the "we'll kick more points than you" mentality that 90% of teams have. I agree about the 3 pts thing, & also league has it sussed with just 1 pt for a drop goal, - but your 'vast amount of league fans' point is from the 80's
Is it? Well that judgement is based on all my League supporting mates and the RL internet forums I use.i think you'll also find most Union fans don't give a toss about League. It's just the way it is."
it isn't like that everywhere, especially in the part of the world that play both codes the best. |
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By *u4rFunMan
over a year ago
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JNP has once a coach till recently , completion rates and stats are fine for individual assestments , but its the result that matters. Has for u12- 8s its all about skill development , individual and team building not stats. Good friend of mine coaching at the highest level always says its not pretty but we won . Who remembers stats at the end of game its the result |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"JNP has once a coach till recently , completion rates and stats are fine for individual assestments , but its the result that matters. Has for u12- 8s its all about skill development , individual and team building not stats. Good friend of mine coaching at the highest level always says its not pretty but we won . Who remembers stats at the end of game its the result "
Right but what about when it's 50 percent completion against Tonga and we are 18 points down, both the result and the completion are rubbish, if we cough up 50 percent position against australia if we get to the final they will put 40 up us |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would love them to but I really don’t think they will unfortunately. I used to be a huge fan growing up, I went off of it when I moved away from my team but slowly getting back into it again |
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"I would love them to but I really don’t think they will unfortunately. I used to be a huge fan growing up, I went off of it when I moved away from my team but slowly getting back into it again "
This is good to hear... from the resident RL fan |
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By *u4rFunMan
over a year ago
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JNP Think positive,( if we this and if we that ) Its up to the boys from the momentt the ref blows his whistle . They would have prepered for the game tactically , individually ,collectively has a team and all be in the right frame off mind . Personally I believe the boys will do it with a winning margin off 16-24 . But dont put your money on it ha ha ha COME on ENGLAND |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"JNP Think positive,( if we this and if we that ) Its up to the boys from the momentt the ref blows his whistle . They would have prepered for the game tactically , individually ,collectively has a team and all be in the right frame off mind . Personally I believe the boys will do it with a winning margin off 16-24 . But dont put your money on it ha ha ha COME on ENGLAND "
I am thinking positive, IF we beat Tonga and if we keep the Aussies within 30 points it's a successful world cup |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So seeing as there's a thread discussing the inferior code.... how many of you Fabsters enjoy the 13 man/woman code and who's looking forward to England pummelling the Aussies in the WC final? "
Huge fan but England are too far off to beat Australia. They may even struggle to overcome Tonga.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Also he needs to give up on the Bateman at centre drop him to sub, put Percival to centre, and the team looks much more balanced with roby over hodgson "
I'm still puzzled why we have a natural centre in the squad and we play Bateman outwide. He's a much better back rower. Roby is a far better and more dangerous hooker than hodgson but Bennet loves his Aussie based guys. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I guess he is trying to fit Bateman in, if he doesn't play centre and they move him to back row you have to lose Burgess whiehead or oloughlin, I would have Bateman on the bench then he can cover any injuries in the backs and the forwards,
Sam Burgess has done nothing all tournament because they try to play him for 80 minutes, he needs spelling |
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By *u4rFunMan
over a year ago
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Team looks strong for the semi , may look dis- jointed with Bateman at centre and Widdop at full back but its a strong selection. Roby effective from bench and Currie can cover in backs. Personally believe Bateman doing a good job in centres , has hes played there a lot for Wigan because of the injures over the past couple of seasons . Come on England |
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"Oh yes, proper game played by people with manners and respect for the game and ref, football pfft!
Well how come it ain't as popular as football.
You ignoring all the citing are you? All the free for all when it kicks off.
The biting, the eye gouging and so on.
I play hockey and you've described my sport. Not yours though.
TBF mate I think you're on the wrong thread. Gauging & biting is way more common in Union in the rucks & mauls. You're more likely to see a few "stray" elbows in league! "
Anyone mention John Hopoate?
For the unitiated, Hopoate was an Aussie League player who tried to give an opponent a prostrate massage during the match in the hope he would drop the ball.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Oh yes, proper game played by people with manners and respect for the game and ref, football pfft!
Well how come it ain't as popular as football.
You ignoring all the citing are you? All the free for all when it kicks off.
The biting, the eye gouging and so on.
I play hockey and you've described my sport. Not yours though.
TBF mate I think you're on the wrong thread. Gauging & biting is way more common in Union in the rucks & mauls. You're more likely to see a few "stray" elbows in league! Anyone mention John Hopoate?
For the unitiated, Hopoate was an Aussie League player who tried to give an opponent a prostrate massage during the match in the hope he would drop the ball...."
Yes he was, and he was handed a very lengthy suspension, guess where he went?? That's right ra ra they snapped him right up |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's his son playing for Tonga is it not?
He is a born again Christian now, his son got selected for state of origin and Australia and gave it all up to do 2 years at a mission |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It still wouldn't have beaten Gaz O'Brien in the MPG tho!
Thought we were excellent for 70 odd minutes but boy do those Tongans get a roll on when they're hot! Just hope we can recover to give the Aussies a match next week. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Tonga will be so disappointed for blowing a couple of good chances in the first half, low in the tackle count inside England's 10 metre line, - but England's first half defence proved to win that game. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unbelievable last 10 min . Happy but so disappointed in that last 10 min , got to play the full 80. "
that's what happens when you defend so hard for 73 ( ? ) minutes, - you run out of steam.
If that guy held on to that ball then it was all over, - they were out on their feet. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Will there be any highlights or a replay of this match please?
When is the final at what time?
Thanks"
I think it’s a 8.30am kickoff next Saturday but don’t quote me
That was something else! Oh lord! That Tongan crowd was epic
England were brilliant for 70 minutes then all bedlam broke loose |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Will there be any highlights or a replay of this match please?
When is the final at what time?
Thanks
I think it’s a 8.30am kickoff next Saturday but don’t quote me
That was something else! Oh lord! That Tongan crowd was epic
England were brilliant for 70 minutes then all bedlam broke loose "
Tonga needed to score 4 times with 7 or 8 minutes to go, - impossible! |
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Just got to remember the game goes on for 80 mins. England seemed to be thinking about, what Hotel for final, lining up for National Anthem and how to stop Valentine and the Aussies. Anything bar let's just see the match out and make sure we are actually in the final. |
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I'm not going to be able to watch it and it would of been my first game of watching aswell. I'm playing sport myself with a silly meet time.
However I hope England win and you all enjoy the game and have enjoyed the tournament. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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That tough game against Tonga can work two ways; - it can have been the perfect game to raise to the levels needed to win a world cup , which the Aussies simply haven't had, or it can have taken far too much out of them.
Personally I can only see the usual Aussie victory but I hope I'm wrong - & please no annihilation! |
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ive foolishly booked a train for when the games on so i will be avoiding the score and watching tomorrow afternoon.
would be fantastic if england could pull of the upset and i think we can match the Aussies im the pack and out wide but i just dont see our half backs being good enough and i think the aussies will pull away from us in the last 20 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not to start on the back foot like the first game , need to push early in defence to force them into mistakes . Then us to control the play and pace of the game . England by 8-12 points win "
Back foot? We started like a house on fire smashing it up and played decent rugby Jerry touched down on the corner and we were unlucky not to get another one, Bennett took oloughlin off after 20 minutes and it went to shit
.oloughlin has been immense this world cup and will be a big miss for England tommorrow |
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"ive foolishly booked a train for when the games on so i will be avoiding the score and watching tomorrow afternoon.
would be fantastic if england could pull of the upset and i think we can match the Aussies im the pack and out wide but i just dont see our half backs being good enough and i think the aussies will pull away from us in the last 20"
It's our centres where we are weak, Bateman isn't a centre and Watkins isn't a world class centre, and our halves are just about ok gale has been found out this world cup and is decidedly average |
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By *u4rFunMan
over a year ago
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Lockers going to be a big loss ; but others have to stand up and raise their game. Watkins Bateman Gale agree need to prove themselves at this level. Forwards wil lay the platform, come on ENGLAND |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"ive foolishly booked a train for when the games on so i will be avoiding the score and watching tomorrow afternoon.
would be fantastic if england could pull of the upset and i think we can match the Aussies im the pack and out wide but i just dont see our half backs being good enough and i think the aussies will pull away from us in the last 20
It's our centres where we are weak, Bateman isn't a centre and Watkins isn't a world class centre, and our halves are just about ok gale has been found out this world cup and is decidedly average"
TBF to Watkins he's improved a lot this world cup and has been fairly solid IMO. The problem is Gale, Brown & Bateman just aren't good enough and are going to have to play the game of their lives for us to have a chance. Agree that Screech is a big loss but hopefully Sam will do the job at 13.
Been out and got the shopping for the morning so it'll be an early Ashes start for me followed by a giant fry up and the Rugby.
Come on boys do us proud!! |
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"ive foolishly booked a train for when the games on so i will be avoiding the score and watching tomorrow afternoon.
would be fantastic if england could pull of the upset and i think we can match the Aussies im the pack and out wide but i just dont see our half backs being good enough and i think the aussies will pull away from us in the last 20
It's our centres where we are weak, Bateman isn't a centre and Watkins isn't a world class centre, and our halves are just about ok gale has been found out this world cup and is decidedly average
TBF to Watkins he's improved a lot this world cup and has been fairly solid IMO. The problem is Gale, Brown & Bateman just aren't good enough and are going to have to play the game of their lives for us to have a chance. Agree that Screech is a big loss but hopefully Sam will do the job at 13.
Been out and got the shopping for the morning so it'll be an early Ashes start for me followed by a giant fry up and the Rugby.
Come on boys do us proud!!"
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"Gutted x composure at crucial plays x BUGGER , done themselves , fans and our game PROUD"
Absolutely, the World Cup itself, with challenges to the first tier nations, the nature of its supporters, the England team and their performance... all in an amazing competition... but we know how good the sport is! |
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Close close game... crucially its at halfback where I think we get beat at this level. Too many overseas halfbacks running around in our sport.
Didn't think that we missed O'Loughlin much in the final, he has been decidedly work shy taking the ball in all tournament and should now be left to finish his playing days at Wigan. |
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"Close close game... crucially its at halfback where I think we get beat at this level. Too many overseas halfbacks running around in our sport.
Didn't think that we missed O'Loughlin much in the final, he has been decidedly work shy taking the ball in all tournament and should now be left to finish his playing days at Wigan."
I agree with your first point.... your second identifies you as delusional! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Close close game... crucially its at halfback where I think we get beat at this level. Too many overseas halfbacks running around in our sport.
Didn't think that we missed O'Loughlin much in the final, he has been decidedly work shy taking the ball in all tournament and should now be left to finish his playing days at Wigan."
Didn't miss oloughlin? We will never know, work why defo not, he has been expands best forward, head an shoulders above anyone else, he had been immense, maybe it should be left to Wigan now though he is knocking on and I just prone, but still a quality player |
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"Close close game... crucially its at halfback where I think we get beat at this level. Too many overseas halfbacks running around in our sport.
Didn't think that we missed O'Loughlin much in the final, he has been decidedly work shy taking the ball in all tournament and should now be left to finish his playing days at Wigan.
Didn't miss oloughlin? We will never know, work why defo not, he has been expands best forward, head an shoulders above anyone else, he had been immense, maybe it should be left to Wigan now though he is knocking on and I just prone, but still a quality player"
We know what you mean! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Rugby league needs some ground roots support only then will it get better. But unfortunately with the fat controller at hq all he's bothered about is lining his pockets. And our good players go down under and some become great. The passion for the game is there it needs nurturing |
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Couple of things, Bateman is a class player being played out of position however he still is probably a better option than Percival and I say that as a Saints fan. Percy makes to many errors and this is exposed again and again, in super league without the intensity he gets away with it by scoring tries. If he spilled ball at that level England would be punished. Gale again is a quality player, but for Castleford though! and that is not disparaging to Castleford it's really the pitch at Weldon Road is a lot smaller and easier to dominate. He has always been found wanting on the larger pitches - same at old Trafford, that said he has kicked some good kicks in the final and probably played his best game to the tournament in the final. The halves are an issue but the halves didn't lose the final, they did their job and did it well enough, erodes and execution cost the final and with more high level intense games these errors would be reduced, there simply aren't enough intense games at super league level to work on these areas- again look at Percy. I think the squad was about right! But,,,, A bigger concern for me is the quality of player at every position coming through. when lockers retires when James Graham retires and when James Roby retires and adding to that burgess I really do believe what's coming behind is nowhere near as good - everybody raves about Walmsley he simply is not as good as Jammer and certainly not capable of playing 60 70 or 80 minutes of intense rugby - as one example |
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"So seeing as there's a thread discussing the inferior code.... how many of you Fabsters enjoy the 13 man/woman code and who's looking forward to England pummelling the Aussies in the WC final? "
haha England had 1 line break in the whole game and couldn't score in the entire match |
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"So seeing as there's a thread discussing the inferior code.... how many of you Fabsters enjoy the 13 man/woman code and who's looking forward to England pummelling the Aussies in the WC final? haha England had 1 line break in the whole game and couldn't score in the entire match "
Did u actually watch the game? Australia only scored on the back of 4 repeated sets! |
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"So seeing as there's a thread discussing the inferior code.... how many of you Fabsters enjoy the 13 man/woman code and who's looking forward to England pummelling the Aussies in the WC final? haha England had 1 line break in the whole game and couldn't score in the entire match
Did u actually watch the game? Australia only scored on the back of 4 repeated sets!"
no i couldn't. i read a report of how brilliantly exceptional the Aussie defence was. the defence coach was praised to the max |
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"So seeing as there's a thread discussing the inferior code.... how many of you Fabsters enjoy the 13 man/woman code and who's looking forward to England pummelling the Aussies in the WC final? haha England had 1 line break in the whole game and couldn't score in the entire match
Did u actually watch the game? Australia only scored on the back of 4 repeated sets!no i couldn't. i read a report of how brilliantly exceptional the Aussie defence was. the defence coach was praised to the max "
so you're commenting on a game you didn't see, - brilliant!!  |
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"So seeing as there's a thread discussing the inferior code.... how many of you Fabsters enjoy the 13 man/woman code and who's looking forward to England pummelling the Aussies in the WC final? haha England had 1 line break in the whole game and couldn't score in the entire match
Did u actually watch the game? Australia only scored on the back of 4 repeated sets!no i couldn't. i read a report of how brilliantly exceptional the Aussie defence was. the defence coach was praised to the max "
Very informed then .... did you read a single report or did you consider more than one opinion! Bright spark! |
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By *AM2214Man
over a year ago
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"Be great to see us lift the World Cup , also enjoyed playing both codes but league is better . Only my preference lol "
When your primary school teacher is Challenge Cup Winner you love the 13s ...when he sends ypu all to local Union to develop skills you learn there is another World.....ayway close game winning tap tackle (who brought them back in after years out??????) blinkered last play kicking towards the only man on the pitch who might stop a try instead of three to the left who could have run it in ..pop the kock bang on for golden score ...oh well back to the cold n wet ...Oh when the Saints....... |
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By *AM2214Man
over a year ago
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"Also he needs to give up on the Bateman at centre drop him to sub, put Percival to centre, and the team looks much more balanced with roby over hodgson "
BATEMAN worst England ayer in Final by miles ..what did he do at all? |
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