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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I do understand that people are concerned about forfeiting a days pay (a lot of Companies only pay SSP),but going into work when you are coughing and sneezing and even having upset stomachs is surely inconsiderate of others especially if you work in the Care Sector looking after the vulnerable or in a small office?Not only contaminating others with your germs but doing a dying swan act to evoke sympathy and not actually doing any work!!Opinions please! |
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Many companies have very strict rules with regards to sickness absences with trigger points which lead to disciplinary hearings that then stay on the employees record for a certain timescale.
The winter will see us all catch colds etc and although the idea of staying off work to recover is good, the lack of pay combined with company policies will often mean that ill people are coming into work when they should be at home. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"In a lot of cases it's not just a days pay. Some companies scare you into work by threats of disciplinary procedures for taking sick days. "
This is very true.Its why I joined a Union as I find them very helpful in these circumstances. |
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As a healthcare worker ,I dont go into work if i have certain ailments ie D&V as obviously the risk of spreading it to patients is too great.
We are generally not allowed to return untill we are 48 hrs clear.
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By *ransGuyTV/TS
over a year ago
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I work in an open plan office. It is viewed that multiple people off because one person brought in the illness is better than staying at home 
I fully understand how people get guilt tripped or forced to work. The main thing that pisses me off here is that in our company it is possible to work from home! |
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"In a lot of cases it's not just a days pay. Some companies scare you into work by threats of disciplinary procedures for taking sick days. "
In my place of work you’re expected to go in unless you’re physically incapable of standing upright. It’s the same in many minimum wage jobs. X |
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I'm not off very often due to illness, but if I am I usually turn up first then get sent home, that way I can't be accused of just pulling a sicky as there are a lot of people who just take the piss with it! Particularly the stupid ones who ring in sick then tag themselves in the pub or whatever on Facebook |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Many companies have very strict rules with regards to sickness absences with trigger points which lead to disciplinary hearings that then stay on the employees record for a certain timescale.
The winter will see us all catch colds etc and although the idea of staying off work to recover is good, the lack of pay combined with company policies will often mean that ill people are coming into work when they should be at home."
True.Ive seen this at a certain well known supermarket.A cashier shaking with flu like symptoms and another using a walking stick whilst wandering the aisles checking produce.Its a sorry state of affairs when people are too scared to take a day off. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's not illigal to have a day off. Just take a day off, or even two. I'd rather someone want to be in work at 100 percent than them feel like they 'have to be there'. |
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"In a lot of cases it's not just a days pay. Some companies scare you into work by threats of disciplinary procedures for taking sick days.
This is very true.Its why I joined a Union as I find them very helpful in these circumstances."
Many years ago I was working for a university who decided to take me down the disciplinary route for absences due to recurrent miscarriages. My union didn’t want to know, they were a complete waste of time! I attended the meeting alone. There were 4 managers from the university there, one of whom was the head of HR. I reminded them that taking any kind of disciplinary action against a female for having time off sick for pregnancy related issues is illegal and requested that they remove it from my employment records immediately. I was asked to wait outside for five minutes and when I was called back in I received an apology for all the stress that had been caused.
When I got home I phoned my union and cancelled my membership, taking great pleasure in telling them what a bunch of twunts they were. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"It's not illigal to have a day off. Just take a day off, or even two. I'd rather someone want to be in work at 100 percent than them feel like they 'have to be there'. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When Mrs N gets hit with a migraine attack, she has to be physically  ing at her desk before people believe she's ill. It pisses me off something rotten that she wakes up knowing the migraine is in the post but has to go in, start work, and deteriorate to the point of projectile puke on the keyboard. In doing so, makes the attack even worse. |
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By *abs..Woman
over a year ago
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I understand there’s a need to monitor attendance and in fairness some are off after a sneeze but then others are carried out on a stretcher.
I have germ issues so everyone who I work with knows not to come over the threshold of my office if they’re germ ridden. I’m always armed with antibacterial wipes and gel which I’m not afraid to use 
Things would be better if people put their hand in front of their mouths when they sneeze and cough and washed their hands thoroughly for more than a few seconds. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I work with food and one general manager told me i was expected in even tho i had been sick the night before. Took 72 hours off then handed in my notice in.
I guess working with the elderly or children would mean even having a cold is gonna be a risk.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"When Mrs N gets hit with a migraine attack, she has to be physically ing at her desk before people believe she's ill. It pisses me off something rotten that she wakes up knowing the migraine is in the post but has to go in, start work, and deteriorate to the point of projectile puke on the keyboard. In doing so, makes the attack even worse. "
You have my sympathies.Ive woken up with a migraine on occasion and they are debilitating.Stress (ie feeling obliged to go into work)will make the situation worse! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I work with food and one general manager told me i was expected in even tho i had been sick the night before. Took 72 hours off then handed in my notice in.
I guess working with the elderly or children would mean even having a cold is gonna be a risk.
I work 12 hour shifts with the elderly.I work 3 in a row and sometimes only get one day off before I do another 2 or 3.If I feel ill I will take a day off as to do my job you need to be at least 90% fit and healthy!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I do understand that people are concerned about forfeiting a days pay (a lot of Companies only pay SSP),but going into work when you are coughing and sneezing and even having upset stomachs is surely inconsiderate of others especially if you work in the Care Sector looking after the vulnerable or in a small office?Not only contaminating others with your germs but doing a dying swan act to evoke sympathy and not actually doing any work!!Opinions please!"
I'm a minimum wage pleb, at a factory no less, and I can't afford days off due to illness. If I don't turn up at work, I really am ill |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I’m off work presently, told by the doctor to stay home unless my colleagues want a dose of strep throat...
Snuffles, colds and coughs are annoying but I’d still go in with one. If I’ve had to go to the quacks and been given meds then it’s home I’m bed until better. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If it had a stomach upset I'd stay off but a cold nah get in and man up
That said it used to be paid a low low basic salary but earned commission so a day off was a sting in the wallet also my asshole employer took 3 days off the next year holiday entitlement if you were off sick... |
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"In a lot of cases it's not just a days pay. Some companies scare you into work by threats of disciplinary procedures for taking sick days. "
Exactly. Mine is one of them. If anyone has three days sick in any twelve month period, for whatever reason, it triggers a disciplinary process. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Where I work you get no pay for the 1st 4 days then SSP of £89 a week!
I'd have to be dying to be off work sadly. I can't afford not me unless I'm told to go home. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If there weren’t so many people taking the piss we could all be off sick when necessary without concern.
As usual the minority spoils it for the majority.
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"I do understand that people are concerned about forfeiting a days pay (a lot of Companies only pay SSP),but going into work when you are coughing and sneezing and even having upset stomachs is surely inconsiderate of others especially if you work in the Care Sector looking after the vulnerable or in a small office?Not only contaminating others with your germs but doing a dying swan act to evoke sympathy and not actually doing any work!!Opinions please!"
Yes does my head in. When I'm ill, I'm home. Don't come in with your germs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I had a manager once who wold never take time off ill, would make all staff feel guilty for being off ill amd applaud the commitment of this coming in ill. It's not hard to work out yhe culture if fear it generated. Or how generally unhealthy the office was with colds and infections always present. And how often people would 'soldier on' ubtIl they cracked and ended up being off sick for far longer than they would have been.
It's easy to say people should just take time off sick but often the workplace culture puts paid to that |
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"Where I work you get no pay for the 1st 4 days then SSP of £89 a week!
I'd have to be dying to be off work sadly. I can't afford not me unless I'm told to go home. "
I think mine is similar to that, I've known people not receiving a penny after having two or three days off in a row.
So, not only are these companies not recognising that we're not all androids and we do occasionally fall ill, they're actively encouraging us to attend work ill.
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By (user no longer on site)
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When I worked in the DWP I had full pay for sick days. Also took 6 weeks off sick full pay and came back to work 2 days before I gave birth and then went on maternity leave for 9 months! Ta-ra |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Where I work you get no pay for the 1st 4 days then SSP of £89 a week!
I'd have to be dying to be off work sadly. I can't afford not me unless I'm told to go home.
I think mine is similar to that, I've known people not receiving a penny after having two or three days off in a row.
So, not only are these companies not recognising that we're not all androids and we do occasionally fall ill, they're actively encouraging us to attend work ill.
Idiots "
I've used holiday in the past rather than lose money. Now my previous employer was amazing full pay from day 1 and full sickness paid for a whole year. |
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Most people don't go to work ill through choice.
I work for a supermarket and they have a very strict absence policy. If you have three periods of absence through illness in a rolling 12 months you are subject to disciplinary proceedings.
The only reason I've not had a disciplinary is because out of my 3 periods of absence 2 were caused by a long term health condition that I made them aware of before I got the job. I am covered under the equality act as a disabled person so they cannot take any absence caused by my condition into account.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Most people don't go to work ill through choice.
I work for a supermarket and they have a very strict absence policy. If you have three periods of absence through illness in a rolling 12 months you are subject to disciplinary proceedings.
The only reason I've not had a disciplinary is because out of my 3 periods of absence 2 were caused by a long term health condition that I made them aware of before I got the job. I am covered under the equality act as a disabled person so they cannot take any absence caused by my condition into account.
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Do you get SSP or does your employer still pay your salary if you are off? |
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This is why people in Japan wear those white medical face masks.
It's not to stop them getting sick, its to stop others. If you have sniffles or a cough you wear a mask.
If I am perfectly honest, I think people are afraid to take the sick days because they save them for the days they get d*unk. |
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"Most people don't go to work ill through choice.
I work for a supermarket and they have a very strict absence policy. If you have three periods of absence through illness in a rolling 12 months you are subject to disciplinary proceedings.
The only reason I've not had a disciplinary is because out of my 3 periods of absence 2 were caused by a long term health condition that I made them aware of before I got the job. I am covered under the equality act as a disabled person so they cannot take any absence caused by my condition into account.
Do you get SSP or does your employer still pay your salary if you are off?"
You don't get paid for the first 3 days. Then you get full pay for 6 months if you are off that long.
I am not entitled to SSP because I don't earn enough. I only work 12 hours a week because I'm a full time carer for my mum. I go to work for a rest! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Most people don't go to work ill through choice.
I work for a supermarket and they have a very strict absence policy. If you have three periods of absence through illness in a rolling 12 months you are subject to disciplinary proceedings.
The only reason I've not had a disciplinary is because out of my 3 periods of absence 2 were caused by a long term health condition that I made them aware of before I got the job. I am covered under the equality act as a disabled person so they cannot take any absence caused by my condition into account.
Do you get SSP or does your employer still pay your salary if you are off?
You don't get paid for the first 3 days. Then you get full pay for 6 months if you are off that long.
I am not entitled to SSP because I don't earn enough. I only work 12 hours a week because I'm a full time carer for my mum. I go to work for a rest!"
Oh bless you.My employers just pay SSP.I used to work for a Company that paid full wages but it was literally sat under a light bulb interrogation techniques if you had any time off! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Many companies have very strict rules with regards to sickness absences with trigger points which lead to disciplinary hearings that then stay on the employees record for a certain timescale.
The winter will see us all catch colds etc and although the idea of staying off work to recover is good, the lack of pay combined with company policies will often mean that ill people are coming into work when they should be at home."
This is true im a supervisor but it may trigger disaplinaries but that does not mean any action will be taken its procedures we have to follow i have often gave no action in disciplinary when they have shown they were ill and did everything they could to get better because I'm a nice supervisor lol and like to look after my workers x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My son is currently quite unwell with flu, his boss expects him to come into work no matter what. He has gone to work, he doesn't want to be fired. "
Its awful that people are feeling/treated like this in this day and age.We are going back to a Victorian Workhouse mentality. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My son is currently quite unwell with flu, his boss expects him to come into work no matter what. He has gone to work, he doesn't want to be fired. "
A lot of it is companies hire extra staff to cope with the high demand and they are always pulling sickies ive had people go home with headache and you can tell its clearly not true it cost companies a lot of money to train them I had 12 ppl off in 1 shift it crucified us and made it harder for other workers having to cover for ppl off who arnt really poorly
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We need improved employment rights for all, including the cover for sickness. It is antisocial for organizations to provide a framework that encourages staff to be present when they are unwell and especially so if they have an infection that other people can catch. I encounter lots of shop staff who have colds etc who are constantly touching items that other staff and customers touch, for example. Employers should be thoroughly ashamed for creating an environment where people are pressured financially or otherwise into attendance when rest would be the socially responsible approach for the affected individuals. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"My son is currently quite unwell with flu, his boss expects him to come into work no matter what. He has gone to work, he doesn't want to be fired. A lot of it is companies hire extra staff to cope with the high demand and they are always pulling sickies ive had people go home with headache and you can tell its clearly not true it cost companies a lot of money to train them I had 12 ppl off in 1 shift it crucified us and made it harder for other workers having to cover for ppl off who arnt really poorly "
A catch 22 situation.Short staffing is par for the course were I work especially at the weekends.The staff who turn in spend 12 hour shifts running themselves ragged and then become ill themselves! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"We need improved employment rights for all, including the cover for sickness. It is antisocial for organizations to provide a framework that encourages staff to be present when they are unwell and especially so if they have an infection that other people can catch. I encounter lots of shop staff who have colds etc who are constantly touching items that other staff and customers touch, for example. Employers should be thoroughly ashamed for creating an environment where people are pressured financially or otherwise into attendance when rest would be the socially responsible approach for the affected individuals."
I couldn't have put it better myself!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"My son is currently quite unwell with flu, his boss expects him to come into work no matter what. He has gone to work, he doesn't want to be fired. A lot of it is companies hire extra staff to cope with the high demand and they are always pulling sickies ive had people go home with headache and you can tell its clearly not true it cost companies a lot of money to train them I had 12 ppl off in 1 shift it crucified us and made it harder for other workers having to cover for ppl off who arnt really poorly
A catch 22 situation.Short staffing is par for the course were I work especially at the weekends.The staff who turn in spend 12 hour shifts running themselves ragged and then become ill themselves!"
Exactly and Xmas is a busy time of year and cold hence why i try to be sympathetic towards my workers and firm on the ones I know are lying x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I know some abusers have given the sick day a bad name, but my son's company sent him home refused to let him work then gave him a disciplinary warning for excess sick days...
It's time that companies were forced into honouring illness and if you have to go in there should be quarantine areas to work in |
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"I know some abusers have given the sick day a bad name, but my son's company sent him home refused to let him work then gave him a disciplinary warning for excess sick days...
It's time that companies were forced into honouring illness and if you have to go in there should be quarantine areas to work in "
As ive said previously we are back in a Victorian Workhouse mentality.Surely its easy to see that happy healthy staff create a more productive workplace! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know some abusers have given the sick day a bad name, but my son's company sent him home refused to let him work then gave him a disciplinary warning for excess sick days...
It's time that companies were forced into honouring illness and if you have to go in there should be quarantine areas to work in "
he should argue that if they gave him warning on file when they sent him home x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know some abusers have given the sick day a bad name, but my son's company sent him home refused to let him work then gave him a disciplinary warning for excess sick days...
It's time that companies were forced into honouring illness and if you have to go in there should be quarantine areas to work in he should argue that if they gave him warning on file when they sent him home x "
He did, no union, no workers rights anymore  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I don't get paid if I don't go in.
If I have d&v I have to stay off until I'm 48 hours clear.
If I've got a cough and cold I still go in. If my colleagues don't like it they can take the time off to avoid it. It's just a bloody cold.
If I didn't go in every time I was in pain or felt poorly I'd never be at work!
Avoiding common germs isn't going to make you healthier.
My whole family have had colds and so have all my work colleagues, currently I haven't had a cold in nearly two years!!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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My work place encourages staff and children to go in when ill, hence spreading their germs. Which i then catch causing me to keep getting chest infections and needing several courses of antibiotics, several courses of steriod tablets plus increased inhalers (im asthmatic) etc and emergency doc appointments and nebilisers, lots of time of work very ill and struggling to breathe. Then disciplined for time off. It would improve if people stayed off plus the workplace had tissues (for the children) hot water and soap plus antibac gel to use after blowing noses etc. I frequently provide tissues, soap and hand gel (i cant provide hot water) to try to kill the germs off. I eat well and try my best to avoid being off. Its no fun struggling to breathe and feeling so crap |
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"My work place encourages staff and children to go in when ill, hence spreading their germs. Which i then catch causing me to keep getting chest infections and needing several courses of antibiotics, several courses of steriod tablets plus increased inhalers (im asthmatic) etc and emergency doc appointments and nebilisers, lots of time of work very ill and struggling to breathe. Then disciplined for time off. It would improve if people stayed off plus the workplace had tissues (for the children) hot water and soap plus antibac gel to use after blowing noses etc. I frequently provide tissues, soap and hand gel (i cant provide hot water) to try to kill the germs off. I eat well and try my best to avoid being off. Its no fun struggling to breathe and feeling so crap "
I'm presuming its a school?No hot water? |
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"My work place encourages staff and children to go in when ill, hence spreading their germs. Which i then catch causing me to keep getting chest infections and needing several courses of antibiotics, several courses of steriod tablets plus increased inhalers (im asthmatic) etc and emergency doc appointments and nebilisers, lots of time of work very ill and struggling to breathe. Then disciplined for time off. It would improve if people stayed off plus the workplace had tissues (for the children) hot water and soap plus antibac gel to use after blowing noses etc. I frequently provide tissues, soap and hand gel (i cant provide hot water) to try to kill the germs off. I eat well and try my best to avoid being off. Its no fun struggling to breathe and feeling so crap
I'm presuming its a school?No hot water?"
Nursery and various clubs. No hot water to wash hands in in the main area. It should be controlled temp water. Its cold. The soap is often watered down. Often no tissues or paper towels. Nor antibac hand gel. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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My personal rule is if I can drive, I can work. I just dose myself up with tablets, crack on and enjoy the fact that most people avoid my office like it’s a plague house until I feel better. |
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"My personal rule is if I can drive, I can work. I just dose myself up with tablets, crack on and enjoy the fact that most people avoid my office like it’s a plague house until I feel better. "
Sadly for me that doesnt work. I would end up in hospital as an emergency if i tried to work. Breathing is fairly important  |
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I used to go into work & be sent home so it was their decision not mine. When Frank got sick last year it made me realise how selfish we really are. My workplace is actually fine about sickness but 1 colleague came in coughing & sneezing all over me. I had to point out it would mean I couldn't see Frank as he had no immune system due to chemo. It was an eye opener. It's not just our colleagues we out at risk but their wider families too xx
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By (user no longer on site)
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If I took time off for the number of colds I had this year I’d be disciplined.
Unless you have an underlying health issue then it’s not worth it. I fainted in the office then went to a meeting half an hour later.. wasn’t worth trying to explain to my boss |
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I think I'm quite fortunate, my boss pays me in full if I'm sick but I never take advantage of it. Currently on antibiotics with a kidney infection but have still made it to work everyday.
Wish I could say the same about my previous employer, it was SSP only and obviously not being paid the first 3 days we all ended up having to use our holiday to cover the loss of income.
Unfortunately this policy makes employees work when genuinely sick when they shouldn't and the whole office gets infected hence a constant circle of sickness.
I've been doing payroll for 20 years and I really wish the government would increase the entitlement. Who can live on £89 a week? It's way below the min wage! Unfortunately people end up getting into debt because of it. I |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As long as it’s not infectious I go into work... although take note fellas.
If you ever have kidney stones DO NOT GO INTO WORK. Because when they make their way out you shriek and pass out. I learnt the hard way. |
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My employer never used to pay for first day of sick leave but when they started sickness leave not only went up but length of sick leave increased.
After a couple of months off with my hand I kept getting calls telling me the company would send a vehicle to take me to and from work. |
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I'm very rarely poorly, and if I am it's not likely to be more than a cold. Generally, I I wanted I could just lock myself in my own office on my own anyway, so I would still go to work if I was ill.
I've never needed to take a day off sick yet... ever.
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