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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Do you believe I do and guardian angels, souls and spirits I can't believe once you are gone your gone. Been talking about it a lot lately as my mum and dad have been sorting out their funerals and choosing coffins for the inevitable x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My dad passed last year I didn't belive however when things really get to me I see little things only me and him done or spoke about some say it means nothing but really cheers me up and makes me think its his way of saying he's looking out for me |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I don't believe in an afterlife at all. I think if I was going to believe in anything it would be something akin to Buddhism and reincarnation. We are all just borrowed energy, built from the building blocks of a million organisms before we were even a twinkle. Nothing that makes the physical person you are is new, it's all been used thousands of times over. |
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"Not in the sense that we all move on as spirits, no.
The thing is that nobody knows but I'm pretty sure that we don't exist on any conscious level after our body dies."
I should say for any significant length of time but I do think and my experiences bear this out that we do carry on for a matter of days or possibly weeks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I believe, I've seen too many things not too. "
I worked with a nurse who died .i was at work and her hubby brought in card and flowers .i put card up on wall .lights went down ,did a round and i went cold and felt really spooked .i came back and noticed card on floor .little things like this makes you wonder  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I deliver when we die that's it. I accept my oen amd other's mortality but totally get why people choose the comfort that is believing in an afterlife amd would never belittle that |
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By *igeiaWoman
over a year ago
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I'd like to be able to believe in something after life since it would be comforting. However, try as I might I have never been able to convince myself or instill any modicum of religious or spiritual faith in my core. |
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"I deliver when we die that's it. I accept my oen amd other's mortality but totally get why people choose the comfort that is believing in an afterlife amd would never belittle that "
I would say a lot of it is comforting - in the sense those in the afterlife could potentially do good or bad. There are many things people have witnessed that could be evidence of an afterlife. Then again, they could also be projections from their own brain onto the external. Our collective knowledge of neurobiology is far too immature to be sure either way. |
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"I believe, I've seen too many things not too.
Like?"
My grandad standing over me at 02.45 telling me he'd always look after me, coming home from school the next day to be told he'd died in the night, sometime between rounds at 02.30-3.00am
As a child knowing when things would happen, a voice in my head.
Stopping my mum catching a bus, which 100yrds down the road crashed.
Visiting places, we'd never been before, and being able to describe things about it, that I couldn't possibly know. One being a chapel built to the memory of sailors who'd died in a storm on my birthday a 100yrs earlier.
I could list much more. |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"I don't believe in an afterlife at all. I think if I was going to believe in anything it would be something akin to Buddhism and reincarnation. We are all just borrowed energy, built from the building blocks of a million organisms before we were even a twinkle. Nothing that makes the physical person you are is new, it's all been used thousands of times over. "
Basically the song "The Highwayman" by the group of the same name, not a fan but this song is basically what I believe too.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No one really knows what happens but we all wish its not just this shity life then nothing at all if i find out i will come back and let use all know  after ave haunted all ure fab profiles lol kidden on lol people believe in all kinds of things |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally no, I think your worm food.
If others want to believe or have had experiences that they think points to there being one then that's fine. I'm not going to criticise anyone's belief, everyone is entitled to believe what they want to. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition?"
That wouldn't be my definition of immortality.
Why would it be ridiculous to retain an open mind about something of which we have no idea? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If it makes you feel happy.  "
Indeed this. I believe these beliefs are a vehicle to help the human mind cope with the fact we're just as fleeting and as insignificant as say the bacteria on your phone and our consciousness and experiences are finite and will one day end, it makes the end less scary.
People fear into things also, there was a power cut at the house during a family funeral this year, my sister would have you believe it was significant, I would have you believe it was a power cut.
I believe that once you pass away, all the biological circuitry, electrical impulses and various other things that go to making us who we are will simply rot down and eventually separate into its constituent molecules and go about becoming something else and we cease to be.
The real miracle is we are here now, this is the heaven bit, all is blackness but against very nearly mathematically insurmountable odds, here you are, alive and on this earth. Here to read this you lucky reader |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition?
That wouldn't be my definition of immortality.
Why would it be ridiculous to retain an open mind about something of which we have no idea?"
Well if you subscribe to the fact that the world in which we live is just a tear drop on the face of eternity and that Jesus's dad made the world then we are in the world of nonsense! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If it makes you feel happy.
Indeed this. I believe these beliefs are a vehicle to help the human mind cope with the fact we're just as fleeting and as insignificant as say the bacteria on your phone and our consciousness and experiences are finite and will one day end, it makes the end less scary.
People fear into things also, there was a power cut at the house during a family funeral this year, my sister would have you believe it was significant, I would have you believe it was a power cut.
I believe that once you pass away, all the biological circuitry, electrical impulses and various other things that go to making us who we are will simply rot down and eventually separate into its constituent molecules and go about becoming something else and we cease to be.
The real miracle is we are here now, this is the heaven bit, all is blackness but against very nearly mathematically insurmountable odds, here you are, alive and on this earth. Here to read this you lucky reader "
The script for the lion king evidently? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition?
That wouldn't be my definition of immortality.
Why would it be ridiculous to retain an open mind about something of which we have no idea?
Well if you subscribe to the fact that the world in which we live is just a tear drop on the face of eternity and that Jesus's dad made the world then we are in the world of nonsense!"
I'm not clear which of those you're advocating? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't believe in an afterlife at all. I think if I was going to believe in anything it would be something akin to Buddhism and reincarnation. We are all just borrowed energy, built from the building blocks of a million organisms before we were even a twinkle. Nothing that makes the physical person you are is new, it's all been used thousands of times over.
Basically the song "The Highwayman" by the group of the same name, not a fan but this song is basically what I believe too.
S"
Can't say I've heard it but I'll give it a listen.
Stardust. We are all stardust. And that's a fact |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition?
That wouldn't be my definition of immortality.
Why would it be ridiculous to retain an open mind about something of which we have no idea?
Well if you subscribe to the fact that the world in which we live is just a tear drop on the face of eternity and that Jesus's dad made the world then we are in the world of nonsense!
I'm not clear which of those you're advocating?"
I am hypothesising that god, the afterlife ghosts grandad at the bottom of my bed is a figment of of an over imagination mind. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't believe in an afterlife at all. I think if I was going to believe in anything it would be something akin to Buddhism and reincarnation. We are all just borrowed energy, built from the building blocks of a million organisms before we were even a twinkle. Nothing that makes the physical person you are is new, it's all been used thousands of times over.
Basically the song "The Highwayman" by the group of the same name, not a fan but this song is basically what I believe too.
S
Can't say I've heard it but I'll give it a listen.
Stardust. We are all stardust. And that's a fact"
That's a left footer stand point in so far remember man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shall return!
It's carbon actually............stardust that is! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition?
That wouldn't be my definition of immortality.
Why would it be ridiculous to retain an open mind about something of which we have no idea?
Well if you subscribe to the fact that the world in which we live is just a tear drop on the face of eternity and that Jesus's dad made the world then we are in the world of nonsense!
I'm not clear which of those you're advocating?
I am hypothesising that god, the afterlife ghosts grandad at the bottom of my bed is a figment of of an over imagination mind. "
But the universe we are a part of is eternal? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition?
That wouldn't be my definition of immortality.
Why would it be ridiculous to retain an open mind about something of which we have no idea?
Well if you subscribe to the fact that the world in which we live is just a tear drop on the face of eternity and that Jesus's dad made the world then we are in the world of nonsense!
I'm not clear which of those you're advocating?
I am hypothesising that god, the afterlife ghosts grandad at the bottom of my bed is a figment of of an over imagination mind.
But the universe we are a part of is eternal?"
Until our sun implodes |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition?
That wouldn't be my definition of immortality.
Why would it be ridiculous to retain an open mind about something of which we have no idea?
Well if you subscribe to the fact that the world in which we live is just a tear drop on the face of eternity and that Jesus's dad made the world then we are in the world of nonsense!
I'm not clear which of those you're advocating?
I am hypothesising that god, the afterlife ghosts grandad at the bottom of my bed is a figment of of an over imagination mind.
But the universe we are a part of is eternal?"
Ok what happens when the sun goes out? |
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Wishful thinking would encourage me to want an afterlife that's ideally better than the one that I believe I am living now.
Sadly the expectations of there being such a life seems to have been created by some of the thousands of religious that were formed by humans as a means to help control and police them.
The evidence for anything other than a life experienced by our brains seems negligible, so I'll stick with the belief that when our brains perish, we no longer exist as anything other than a flesh body.
Our minds have been the invention of our physical brains, with personality etc totally dependent upon this functionality. There's likely nothing more after this life ends. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I don't believe in an afterlife at all. I think if I was going to believe in anything it would be something akin to Buddhism and reincarnation. We are all just borrowed energy, built from the building blocks of a million organisms before we were even a twinkle. Nothing that makes the physical person you are is new, it's all been used thousands of times over.
Basically the song "The Highwayman" by the group of the same name, not a fan but this song is basically what I believe too.
S
Can't say I've heard it but I'll give it a listen.
Stardust. We are all stardust. And that's a fact That's a left footer stand point in so far remember man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shall return!
It's carbon actually............stardust that is!"
Technically, stardust is everything heavier than helium and hydrogen. Without a supernova or two, nothing else on the periodic table would exist.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wishful thinking would encourage me to want an afterlife that's ideally better than the one that I believe I am living now.
Sadly the expectations of there being such a life seems to have been created by some of the thousands of religious that were formed by humans as a means to help control and police them.
The evidence for anything other than a life experienced by our brains seems negligible, so I'll stick with the belief that when our brains perish, we no longer exist as anything other than a flesh body.
Our minds have been the invention of our physical brains, with personality etc totally dependent upon this functionality. There's likely nothing more after this life ends."
I am sad that you are not happy in this life |
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"Wishful thinking would encourage me to want an afterlife that's ideally better than the one that I believe I am living now.
Sadly the expectations of there being such a life seems to have been created by some of the thousands of religious that were formed by humans as a means to help control and police them.
The evidence for anything other than a life experienced by our brains seems negligible, so I'll stick with the belief that when our brains perish, we no longer exist as anything other than a flesh body.
Our minds have been the invention of our physical brains, with personality etc totally dependent upon this functionality. There's likely nothing more after this life ends.
I am sad that you are not happy in this life "
I'm a bit drowsy, so likely not very clear - my lifes fine and I'm happy as well as content that this mortal life will end, without there likely being an afterlife. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition?
That wouldn't be my definition of immortality.
Why would it be ridiculous to retain an open mind about something of which we have no idea?
Well if you subscribe to the fact that the world in which we live is just a tear drop on the face of eternity and that Jesus's dad made the world then we are in the world of nonsense!
I'm not clear which of those you're advocating?
I am hypothesising that god, the afterlife ghosts grandad at the bottom of my bed is a figment of of an over imagination mind.
But the universe we are a part of is eternal?
Ok what happens when the sun goes out?"
Haven't a clue.
I'm just trying to make sense of what it is that you're claiming as 'fact'?
If you have all the answers... I'd love to know. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition?
That wouldn't be my definition of immortality.
Why would it be ridiculous to retain an open mind about something of which we have no idea?
Well if you subscribe to the fact that the world in which we live is just a tear drop on the face of eternity and that Jesus's dad made the world then we are in the world of nonsense!
I'm not clear which of those you're advocating?
I am hypothesising that god, the afterlife ghosts grandad at the bottom of my bed is a figment of of an over imagination mind.
But the universe we are a part of is eternal?
Ok what happens when the sun goes out?
Haven't a clue.
I'm just trying to make sense of what it is that you're claiming as 'fact'?
If you have all the answers... I'd love to know."
Facts? Well the universe is in the sky. Carbon is a building block that allows us to do the things we do. My gran has not come back to see me and I have nor seen Jesus except for the gezzer who plays for city ...........kind of facts |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition?
That wouldn't be my definition of immortality.
Why would it be ridiculous to retain an open mind about something of which we have no idea?
Well if you subscribe to the fact that the world in which we live is just a tear drop on the face of eternity and that Jesus's dad made the world then we are in the world of nonsense!
I'm not clear which of those you're advocating?
I am hypothesising that god, the afterlife ghosts grandad at the bottom of my bed is a figment of of an over imagination mind.
But the universe we are a part of is eternal?
Ok what happens when the sun goes out?
Haven't a clue.
I'm just trying to make sense of what it is that you're claiming as 'fact'?
If you have all the answers... I'd love to know."
And we all know my friend the answer lie blowing in the wind! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Fair enough 
No doubt we'll understand those facts differently in the future just as people understood them differently in the past.
But don't let that get in the way of your certainty of 'facts'. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fair enough
No doubt we'll understand those facts differently in the future just as people understood them differently in the past.
But don't let that get in the way of your certainty of 'facts'."
I base my view on what we know now. I believe that energy cannot be destroyed which is a fact I also believe that the after life is best left to those who have some connection with that dimension.
The afterlife suggests some kind of all powerful being which I believe is the hand that rocks the cradle because why is it theirvareva million men on Fab and onlyb4 single women? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"More 'facts' 
We haven't a bloody clue where we are in the bigger scheme of things. Not a clue.
Those 4 women -they're really men
Or even if there is a bigger scheme!"
Or even if there is a scheme?
We, humankind, are so narcissistic. We think that we are the only inhabitants of a infinite universe shows how twee we Really Are
We cannot stop killing our selves yet we believe there is an after life. Go figure |
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By (user no longer on site)
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In a romantic idealistic way ld really like to believe but my scientific black and white kinda mind says no.
I believe we see things we want to see and make connections to memories. Its in no way a bad thing though and helps the grieving process. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's nice to believe in what . At the end of the day we humans mammals or whatever you might call us worship someone that gas made the garden of Eden into a shit hole where the air we breath is positioned and the animal's we share it with we have butched and disregarded as stupid . Why do people believe in that now . X |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I agree re. the narcissism of humans.
However that works in other ways too - for example assuming that humans can establish all the answers. It's very likely that the answers we give ourselves, are to entirely the wrong questions. |
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By *mmmMaybeCouple
over a year ago
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"If you believe in life after death then that amounts to immortality so there you must also ascribe to life before life which is an equally ridiculous proposition?
That wouldn't be my definition of immortality.
Why would it be ridiculous to retain an open mind about something of which we have no idea?
Well if you subscribe to the fact that the world in which we live is just a tear drop on the face of eternity and that Jesus's dad made the world then we are in the world of nonsense!
I'm not clear which of those you're advocating?
I am hypothesising that god, the afterlife ghosts grandad at the bottom of my bed is a figment of of an over imagination mind.
But the universe we are a part of is eternal?"
There are some that believe that eventually the universe will begin to collapse into itself & that the big bang,expansion of the universe, its (possible) eventual collapse is nothing more than a giant heartbeat & has already happened several times before.
I find time quite fascinating, A fly lives for what we see as mere days, to it a lifetime, does it feel like its a lifetime to the fly? Is a year to it mere hours, At the other end the giant tortoise living 250yrs but it moves so slow is one of its years different to ours? Say 3/1 so to it a more human like 85ish.
A lighthearted thought, the tortoise has a local fly buzzing about.
"Happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me"
"What another one?! Well your not getting a card, last time I started to write a card for one of you lot they'd fucking died before I finished it!"
"Fly? Hello fly! Aww bollox!"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree re. the narcissism of humans.
However that works in other ways too - for example assuming that humans can establish all the answers. It's very likely that the answers we give ourselves, are to entirely the wrong questions."
Ok what happens to [say] Ian Brady and Hitler in the afterlife? Do they go in a special place reserved for cuntz? Does the afterlife apply to whales? Is Wales the afterlife? All questions that cannot be answered and if a hypothesis cannot be proven then it remains so.
Take the role of a medium and the ability to communicate with the other side. If the existence of such people does not give cause for sceptical analysis then I don't what does!
We are in a circle of life and if that explanation is good enough for Simba and Walt Disney then it's good enough for me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Believing in an after life for me is just a refusal to accept that human existence and life on Earth in general is just a biproduct of bioilogcal circumstance and a series of random events in the universe, we're nothing special or unique and life ultimately is meaningless
So stop clinging onto the hope of life after death and enjoy the fuck out of the one you're experiencing because after it there is NOTHING |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well, we are spiritual beings, and spirits are not physical, so logically they are not subject to a physical death and therefore something must follow on. 
I'm not a spiritual being x "
I've got some spirit in me... Mostly Jack Daniels |
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"Believing in an after life for me is just a refusal to accept that human existence and life on Earth in general is just a biproduct of bioilogcal circumstance and a series of random events in the universe, we're nothing special or unique and life ultimately is meaningless
So stop clinging onto the hope of life after death and enjoy the fuck out of the one you're experiencing because after it there is NOTHING"
It takes a special kind of foolishness to make such a certain statement about something which one could not possibly be so certain about. |
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"I agree re. the narcissism of humans.
However that works in other ways too - for example assuming that humans can establish all the answers. It's very likely that the answers we give ourselves, are to entirely the wrong questions."
Oooooh I like that!!  |
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I would postulate that IF part of the human self could and indeed did continue into another biological life form after it's former shell expires that humans and society at we observe it would be different to the degree that ambiguity regarding the concept would not exist x I suggest this would be the same with regards a god
I also postulate that the biological complexity of the brain and it's obvious evolution , coupled with millions of observations and experiments upon the human brain including the taking of drugs all add weight to the concept that "self" originates with the growth of a brain and ends with the expiration of the brain and diminishes with the deterioration of the brain
It is not unreasonable to apportion a part of "self" to being a culmination of memories and sadly it can be evidenced that part diminish and fade as a brain suffers decay or trauma . The exact same can be evidenced upon so called personality which is affected certainly by reduced memory function , cell loss or malfunction , synapse issues , chemical changes including the taking of a variety of drugs and ones own hormones
Point being , vast lot of evolution that indeed affects self that IF the mobility of "self" was plausible or real the current evolved brain would not need the complexity it has
I'd suggest the strong evidenced data regarding brain gives a greater statistical weight to counter the concept of afterlife than the anecdotal , and imagination that it does x |
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"I would postulate that IF part of the human self could and indeed did continue into another biological life form after it's former shell expires that humans and society at we observe it would be different to the degree that ambiguity regarding the concept would not exist x I suggest this would be the same with regards a god
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Agree
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I also postulate that the biological complexity of the brain and it's obvious evolution , coupled with millions of observations and experiments upon the human brain including the taking of drugs all add weight to the concept that "self" originates with the growth of a brain and ends with the expiration of the brain and diminishes with the deterioration of the brain
It is not unreasonable to apportion a part of "self" to being a culmination of memories and sadly it can be evidenced that part diminish and fade as a brain suffers decay or trauma . The exact same can be evidenced upon so called personality which is affected certainly by reduced memory function , cell loss or malfunction , synapse issues , chemical changes including the taking of a variety of drugs and ones own hormones
Point being , vast lot of evolution that indeed affects self that IF the mobility of "self" was plausible or real the current evolved brain would not need the complexity it has
I'd suggest the strong evidenced data regarding brain gives a greater statistical weight to counter the concept of afterlife than the anecdotal , and imagination that it does x"
I think if this were a legal trial, those arguing for an afterlife would draw an abundance of witnesses. Those arguing against would be able to explain some of 'supernatural' events witnessed with scientifically observable patterns of psychology (e.g. grievance). But not all. |
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"I would postulate that IF part of the human self could and indeed did continue into another biological life form after it's former shell expires that humans and society at we observe it would be different to the degree that ambiguity regarding the concept would not exist x I suggest this would be the same with regards a god
Agree
I also postulate that the biological complexity of the brain and it's obvious evolution , coupled with millions of observations and experiments upon the human brain including the taking of drugs all add weight to the concept that "self" originates with the growth of a brain and ends with the expiration of the brain and diminishes with the deterioration of the brain
It is not unreasonable to apportion a part of "self" to being a culmination of memories and sadly it can be evidenced that part diminish and fade as a brain suffers decay or trauma . The exact same can be evidenced upon so called personality which is affected certainly by reduced memory function , cell loss or malfunction , synapse issues , chemical changes including the taking of a variety of drugs and ones own hormones
Point being , vast lot of evolution that indeed affects self that IF the mobility of "self" was plausible or real the current evolved brain would not need the complexity it has
I'd suggest the strong evidenced data regarding brain gives a greater statistical weight to counter the concept of afterlife than the anecdotal , and imagination that it does x
I think if this were a legal trial, those arguing for an afterlife would draw an abundance of witnesses. Those arguing against would be able to explain some of 'supernatural' events witnessed with scientifically observable patterns of psychology (e.g. grievance). But not all. "
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He was always very eloquent with this type of stuff.
I would postulate he's correct |
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"Well, we are spiritual beings, and spirits are not physical, so logically they are not subject to a physical death and therefore something must follow on.
I'm not a spiritual being x "
Haha, you would be a pile of dust if you were not. |
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"Well, we are spiritual beings, and spirits are not physical, so logically they are not subject to a physical death and therefore something must follow on.
I'm not a spiritual being x
Haha, you would be a pile of dust if you were not. "
That's an interesting dataless fragment from your imagination. However it seems you're suggesting it is the truth not just a speculative hope .
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"I agree re. the narcissism of humans.
However that works in other ways too - for example assuming that humans can establish all the answers. It's very likely that the answers we give ourselves, are to entirely the wrong questions.
Ok what happens to [say] Ian Brady and Hitler in the afterlife? Do they go in a special place reserved for cuntz? Does the afterlife apply to whales? Is Wales the afterlife? All questions that cannot be answered and if a hypothesis cannot be proven then it remains so.
Take the role of a medium and the ability to communicate with the other side. If the existence of such people does not give cause for sceptical analysis then I don't what does!
We are in a circle of life and if that explanation is good enough for Simba and Walt Disney then it's good enough for me."
You're arguing the wron points with me.
I'm not suggesting whether people may gi to Heaven, Hell or anywhere else constructed by human imaginations.
I an suggesting that your own derision for other possibilities is based on your confidence in human ideas and constructs.
In my opinion, that's equally narrow minded to those things you mock. |
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"Well, we are spiritual beings, and spirits are not physical, so logically they are not subject to a physical death and therefore something must follow on.
I'm not a spiritual being x
Haha, you would be a pile of dust if you were not.
That's an interesting dataless fragment from your imagination. However it seems you're suggesting it is the truth not just a speculative hope .
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Plenty of data - our spiritual nature is fact, I have not speculated on what follows. |
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I think when you're gone you're gone. There is nothing left for you.
That doesnt get me down, I live my life trying to get some of my plans to make the world better for the people around me in motion.
All I can do is try, and its what I do. I'm giving it my best shot. |
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"Well, we are spiritual beings, and spirits are not physical, so logically they are not subject to a physical death and therefore something must follow on.
I'm not a spiritual being x
Haha, you would be a pile of dust if you were not.
That's an interesting dataless fragment from your imagination. However it seems you're suggesting it is the truth not just a speculative hope .
Plenty of data - our spiritual nature is fact, I have not speculated on what follows. "
Seems we may need to agree upon a definition of spiritual
For the purposes of this topic my definition would be
The essence of self does not originate from the complex interactions of a biological brain
Or spiritual is the concept of self being perpetual and mobile between biological hosts
On those definitions I'll say there is very poor quality data and zero fact to substantiate the data x
I am genuinely saddened that good people are drawn to hope a wildly speculative concept that always raises more questions that it could be said to solve . Is plausible than study the factual and fascinating reality s regarding memes and indoctrination , the very real observation that humans can be influenced and programmed via well studied conduits such as sight sound smell and taste ?
Although the plausibility of a complete self being passed from body to body is low , it is well documented how memes do indeed transfer parts of another's self across both time and space
But am I a spiritual being requiring two parts , biological stuff and a floaty around self bit ? No and there is zero data to illustrate it may be and lots of data to give back bone to dispute the concept
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Although deep down I know when we are dead we are dead , but it does seem such a waste that in an instant every memory and everything is gone . Who knows what science will discover but I'm afraid we'll all be long gone by then . |
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"Although deep down I know when we are dead we are dead , but it does seem such a waste that in an instant every memory and everything is gone . Who knows what science will discover but I'm afraid we'll all be long gone by then ."
Apart from we know that every thought or memory isn't gone, many thoughts memories ideas traits are preserved in text in words or sayings intonation in pictures and in music
Empathy is the knowledge or concept that one is experiencing something very similar to another human . A walk along an autumnal leafy lane for example
One does not need an ethereal soul to process this, one has a biological pattern recognizer and processor
I doubt little that the brain needs external interface to form a self but that is not the spiritual we discuss x |
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The essence of self does not originate from the complex interactions of a biological brain ..
On those definitions I'll say there is very poor quality data and zero fact to substantiate the data x
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Not true I am afraid, you simply haven't looked in the right place or cannot recognise the data you have seen is all, there is plenty out there!
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The essence of self does not originate from the complex interactions of a biological brain ..
On those definitions I'll say there is very poor quality data and zero fact to substantiate the data x
Not true I am afraid, you simply haven't looked in the right place or cannot recognise the data you have seen is all, there is plenty out there!
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Quite happy to read any data you know of
However anecdotal evidence weights very very lowly
If you insist there is normally it would be for you to back up your statement
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The essence of self does not originate from the complex interactions of a biological brain ..
On those definitions I'll say there is very poor quality data and zero fact to substantiate the data x
Not true I am afraid, you simply haven't looked in the right place or cannot recognise the data you have seen is all, there is plenty out there!
Quite happy to read any data you know of
However anecdotal evidence weights very very lowly
If you insist there is normally it would be for you to back up your statement
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Yes, but I have no interest in doing all the legwork for you, sorry! I merely state the fact so you know it's out there - up to you to go find the evidence that will satisfy you if you want it.
I can identify spiritual laws in effect all around us every day, in everything from quantum physics to intuition to nonverbal communication between species or the zeitgeist of nations. I understand (in part of course) what the spirit realm does and how it functions, so it is obvious to me (and everyone who works in any kind of spiritual discipline or field).
To me, you are like someone arguing there is no consciousness because science cannot yet agree on a definition or measure precisely what it is. It's a no brainer to me - I am, therefore I think!
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"I believe, I've seen too many things not too.
I worked with a nurse who died .i was at work and her hubby brought in card and flowers .i put card up on wall .lights went down ,did a round and i went cold and felt really spooked .i came back and noticed card on floor .little things like this makes you wonder "
I believe and keep an open mind looking for clear evidence to confirm it for me.
If the above happened to me I'd totally dismiss it as a draft. |
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My gut feel is that our capabilities for religious thought and experiences - including spiritual - are coincidental with the huge gains that our brains have made from evolution. Our greater cognitive abilities, coupled with improved communication, memory and analytical skills alongside our biases, help to push us towards tribal spirituality and organized religions.
Our legacy of many religions leaves us open to perceiving that there's life after death. But the person we know as ourselves is the collective production of our brains, which have enabled and constrained who we could be. A similarly unique brain structure is needed to produce who we are imo. We're likely no more to regenerate than any of the billions of simple animals that have existed - it seems to be so rationally sound this way. |
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"My gut feel is that our capabilities for religious thought and experiences - including spiritual - are coincidental with the huge gains that our brains have made from evolution. Our greater cognitive abilities, coupled with improved communication, memory and analytical skills alongside our biases, help to push us towards tribal spirituality and organized religions.
Our legacy of many religions leaves us open to perceiving that there's life after death. But the person we know as ourselves is the collective production of our brains, which have enabled and constrained who we could be. A similarly unique brain structure is needed to produce who we are imo. We're likely no more to regenerate than any of the billions of simple animals that have existed - it seems to be so rationally sound this way. "
Yes, I'd say religion is a human construct. Partly to deal with death, partly to explain life and largely exploited for power and influence.
However science is a human construct too and I'm open to the possibility that there is more to our existence than we are aware of (or can comprehend).
On the other hand science is very likely to provide people with life after death in some form or other. |
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"My gut feel is that our capabilities for religious thought and experiences - including spiritual - are coincidental with the huge gains that our brains have made from evolution. Our greater cognitive abilities, coupled with improved communication, memory and analytical skills alongside our biases, help to push us towards tribal spirituality and organized religions.
Our legacy of many religions leaves us open to perceiving that there's life after death. But the person we know as ourselves is the collective production of our brains, which have enabled and constrained who we could be. A similarly unique brain structure is needed to produce who we are imo. We're likely no more to regenerate than any of the billions of simple animals that have existed - it seems to be so rationally sound this way. "
I think humans with the "capabilities for religious thought" were able to form group bonds beyond mere blood lines. This would give them am advantage in evolution and the groups bonded by religions would wipe out the more fragmented family units. |
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