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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I've surprised myself at how angry I am to read today that Ian Brady has been "dumped at sea".
Good people get buried at sea,
fishermen who bring us food,
Sailors who discover new continents,
Lifeboat men who save our lives,
Even our royal navy.
All good men who love and respect our seas and oceans.
That bastard should of had his disgusting ashes incarcerated back within the walls of ashworth where he belongs.
Ptu xxx |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Have to admit I found it repulsive. The sea is beautiful, free, too good for the likes of him. Hed have been better off flushed down a shitter at the crematorium. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"He should've been disposed of using the cheapest means possible. What that is I'm not sure "
It is a very differcut situation that they were in but I do think they have made a mistake. To think that hes somewhere off the north Wales or north west coast sickens me. X |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Have to admit I found it repulsive. The sea is beautiful, free, too good for the likes of him. Hed have been better off flushed down a shitter at the crematorium. "
Completely agree but then he would end up in the sea anyway.  x |
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You should read the facts before you post on here.
IAN BRADY HAS NOT BEEN BURIED AT SEA!
He was cremated in secret and his ashes were thrown into the sea.
Brady's executor failed to make proper arrangements for the funeral, and then wanted all sorts of things at the funeral - specific music for example.
No council or funeral director wanted to handle the matter. The courts were involved and directed that there be no funeral.
Cremating him in secret and throwing the ashes into the sea was the most sensible idea. It prevents all the freaks from attending the funeral, or visiting the grave etc, and it does the same for anyone looking for revenge. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He should have been incinerated then his ashes emptied into a bin then dumped on a land fill site somewhere  "
Yes completely agree, left to rot amongst the rubbish x |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Have to admit I found it repulsive. The sea is beautiful, free, too good for the likes of him. Hed have been better off flushed down a shitter at the crematorium.
Completely agree but then he would end up in the sea anyway. x"
But without dignity or humanity that would have been afforded him. He deserved neither, chucked down a toilet and flushed is much less dignified than being carefully handled and scattered with humanity. Though I agree ultimately the result would have been the same.
He never afforded his victims nor their families either. |
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"He should have been incinerated then his ashes emptied into a bin then dumped on a land fill site somewhere
Yes that would of been much better. Xx"
No it would not. Human remains are not allowed in landfill sites. Please research the law, before posting nonsense. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You should read the facts before you post on here.
IAN BRADY HAS NOT BEEN BURIED AT SEA!
He was cremated in secret and his ashes were thrown into the sea.
Brady's executor failed to make proper arrangements for the funeral, and then wanted all sorts of things at the funeral - specific music for example.
No council or funeral director wanted to handle the matter. The courts were involved and directed that there be no funeral.
Cremating him in secret and throwing the ashes into the sea was the most sensible idea. It prevents all the freaks from attending the funeral, or visiting the grave etc, and it does the same for anyone looking for revenge."
I still think it was wrong. I live on the prom I look at the sea daily and I've seen friends scattered and buried at sea. To think his ashes are in the sea doesn't rub well with me. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"He should have been incinerated then his ashes emptied into a bin then dumped on a land fill site somewhere
Yes that would of been much better. Xx
No it would not. Human remains are not allowed in landfill sites. Please research the law, before posting nonsense."
My opinions within the rules of the forum are allowed as are yours.
Have a lovely day xxx |
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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago
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"He should have been incinerated then his ashes emptied into a bin then dumped on a land fill site somewhere
Yes that would of been much better. Xx
No it would not. Human remains are not allowed in landfill sites. Please research the law, before posting nonsense."
We have to research the law before posting now? Ain't nobody got time for that |
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"He should have been incinerated then his ashes emptied into a bin then dumped on a land fill site somewhere
Yes that would of been much better. Xx
No it would not. Human remains are not allowed in landfill sites. Please research the law, before posting nonsense.
My opinions within the rules of the forum are allowed as are yours.
Have a lovely day xxx"
You can't post something that is:
(a) impossible and illegal at law; and
(b) is completely against what the court was trying to achieve - i.e. that there be nowhere that people could go to visit a "shrine" for him.
Your opinion is therefore wrong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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If his ashes had ended up land based, where would they go? I can't think of anyone that would welcome them in their area, so at sea is probably for the best.
It also means that any sick puppies that want to visit his graves have to drown themselves in the process... |
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"If his ashes had ended up land based, where would they go? I can't think of anyone that would welcome them in their area, so at sea is probably for the best.
It also means that any sick puppies that want to visit his graves have to drown themselves in the process..."
Exactly. And that is precisely what the court was trying to achieve. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"If his ashes had ended up land based, where would they go? I can't think of anyone that would welcome them in their area, so at sea is probably for the best.
It also means that any sick puppies that want to visit his graves have to drown themselves in the process..."
Very true. I just see the sea as a beautiful place somewhere where evil doesn't belong. Not sure certainly in my lifetime this problem hasn't arrisen before. Very differcut choice to make for all involved. Someone somewhere would of found issues with any dissision made. Xxx |
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"If his ashes had ended up land based, where would they go? I can't think of anyone that would welcome them in their area, so at sea is probably for the best.
It also means that any sick puppies that want to visit his graves have to drown themselves in the process...
Very true. I just see the sea as a beautiful place somewhere where evil doesn't belong. Not sure certainly in my lifetime this problem hasn't arrisen before. Very differcut choice to make for all involved. Someone somewhere would of found issues with any dissision made. Xxx"
You're being over-dramatic. He's dead and has been cremated. It's just ashes from the cremation process. A dead person's ashes are not evil. His brain was evil and that will have vapourised in the cremation process.
Your spelling on the other hand, is pretty evil! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You should read the facts before you post on here.
IAN BRADY HAS NOT BEEN BURIED AT SEA!
He was cremated in secret and his ashes were thrown into the sea.
Brady's executor failed to make proper arrangements for the funeral, and then wanted all sorts of things at the funeral - specific music for example.
No council or funeral director wanted to handle the matter. The courts were involved and directed that there be no funeral.
Cremating him in secret and throwing the ashes into the sea was the most sensible idea. It prevents all the freaks from attending the funeral, or visiting the grave etc, and it does the same for anyone looking for revenge."
I agree with this.
Does everyone forget that Osama bin Laden was also dumped at sea? It's a tactic used to stop twisted people from making a shrine of the burial site.
I don't think people would have been happy no matter what was done. He's dead and gone and now there's no discernible trace of him left. I feel for the people who have to make these decisions sometimes, knowing that whatever they do will be criticised. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You should read the facts before you post on here.
IAN BRADY HAS NOT BEEN BURIED AT SEA!
He was cremated in secret and his ashes were thrown into the sea.
Brady's executor failed to make proper arrangements for the funeral, and then wanted all sorts of things at the funeral - specific music for example.
No council or funeral director wanted to handle the matter. The courts were involved and directed that there be no funeral.
Cremating him in secret and throwing the ashes into the sea was the most sensible idea. It prevents all the freaks from attending the funeral, or visiting the grave etc, and it does the same for anyone looking for revenge.
I agree with this.
Does everyone forget that Osama bin Laden was also dumped at sea? It's a tactic used to stop twisted people from making a shrine of the burial site.
I don't think people would have been happy no matter what was done. He's dead and gone and now there's no discernible trace of him left. I feel for the people who have to make these decisions sometimes, knowing that whatever they do will be criticised."
I suppose if feel the way I do because I live in rhyl and the ashes left Liverpool marina as does the ferry that goes past rhyl on it's way to Llandudno so in my mind the ashes are prob off my coast. The coast that means a lot to me. Xxx |
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"You should read the facts before you post on here.
IAN BRADY HAS NOT BEEN BURIED AT SEA!
He was cremated in secret and his ashes were thrown into the sea.
Brady's executor failed to make proper arrangements for the funeral, and then wanted all sorts of things at the funeral - specific music for example.
No council or funeral director wanted to handle the matter. The courts were involved and directed that there be no funeral.
Cremating him in secret and throwing the ashes into the sea was the most sensible idea. It prevents all the freaks from attending the funeral, or visiting the grave etc, and it does the same for anyone looking for revenge.
I agree with this.
Does everyone forget that Osama bin Laden was also dumped at sea? It's a tactic used to stop twisted people from making a shrine of the burial site.
I don't think people would have been happy no matter what was done. He's dead and gone and now there's no discernible trace of him left. I feel for the people who have to make these decisions sometimes, knowing that whatever they do will be criticised.
I suppose if feel the way I do because I live in rhyl and the ashes left Liverpool marina as does the ferry that goes past rhyl on it's way to Llandudno so in my mind the ashes are prob off my coast. The coast that means a lot to me. Xxx"
So where would you have put them? And don't say landfill. And what exactly is the big deal with a few ashes? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You should read the facts before you post on here.
IAN BRADY HAS NOT BEEN BURIED AT SEA!
He was cremated in secret and his ashes were thrown into the sea.
Brady's executor failed to make proper arrangements for the funeral, and then wanted all sorts of things at the funeral - specific music for example.
No council or funeral director wanted to handle the matter. The courts were involved and directed that there be no funeral.
Cremating him in secret and throwing the ashes into the sea was the most sensible idea. It prevents all the freaks from attending the funeral, or visiting the grave etc, and it does the same for anyone looking for revenge.
I agree with this.
Does everyone forget that Osama bin Laden was also dumped at sea? It's a tactic used to stop twisted people from making a shrine of the burial site.
I don't think people would have been happy no matter what was done. He's dead and gone and now there's no discernible trace of him left. I feel for the people who have to make these decisions sometimes, knowing that whatever they do will be criticised.
I suppose if feel the way I do because I live in rhyl and the ashes left Liverpool marina as does the ferry that goes past rhyl on it's way to Llandudno so in my mind the ashes are prob off my coast. The coast that means a lot to me. Xxx"
I get it but....there has to be a point at which we just shrug our shoulders knowing what's done was done for the right reasons. His ashes are probably not off your coast. It's not like putting a cup down on a table...the sea is in constant motion. He's gone. Gone. Why keep his memory alive in this way, even in anger? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You should read the facts before you post on here.
IAN BRADY HAS NOT BEEN BURIED AT SEA!
He was cremated in secret and his ashes were thrown into the sea.
Brady's executor failed to make proper arrangements for the funeral, and then wanted all sorts of things at the funeral - specific music for example.
No council or funeral director wanted to handle the matter. The courts were involved and directed that there be no funeral.
Cremating him in secret and throwing the ashes into the sea was the most sensible idea. It prevents all the freaks from attending the funeral, or visiting the grave etc, and it does the same for anyone looking for revenge.
I agree with this.
Does everyone forget that Osama bin Laden was also dumped at sea? It's a tactic used to stop twisted people from making a shrine of the burial site.
I don't think people would have been happy no matter what was done. He's dead and gone and now there's no discernible trace of him left. I feel for the people who have to make these decisions sometimes, knowing that whatever they do will be criticised.
I suppose if feel the way I do because I live in rhyl and the ashes left Liverpool marina as does the ferry that goes past rhyl on it's way to Llandudno so in my mind the ashes are prob off my coast. The coast that means a lot to me. Xxx
I get it but....there has to be a point at which we just shrug our shoulders knowing what's done was done for the right reasons. His ashes are probably not off your coast. It's not like putting a cup down on a table...the sea is in constant motion. He's gone. Gone. Why keep his memory alive in this way, even in anger?"
That's the beauty of the mind isn't it. Tomorrow is another day with all it will deliver. Tbh my "anger" has gone now and has been replaced by disappointment. Give me half n hour n I'll possibly be happy.  xxx |
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"You should read the facts before you post on here.
IAN BRADY HAS NOT BEEN BURIED AT SEA!
He was cremated in secret and his ashes were thrown into the sea.
Brady's executor failed to make proper arrangements for the funeral, and then wanted all sorts of things at the funeral - specific music for example.
No council or funeral director wanted to handle the matter. The courts were involved and directed that there be no funeral.
Cremating him in secret and throwing the ashes into the sea was the most sensible idea. It prevents all the freaks from attending the funeral, or visiting the grave etc, and it does the same for anyone looking for revenge.
I agree with this.
Does everyone forget that Osama bin Laden was also dumped at sea? It's a tactic used to stop twisted people from making a shrine of the burial site.
I don't think people would have been happy no matter what was done. He's dead and gone and now there's no discernible trace of him left. I feel for the people who have to make these decisions sometimes, knowing that whatever they do will be criticised.
I suppose if feel the way I do because I live in rhyl and the ashes left Liverpool marina as does the ferry that goes past rhyl on it's way to Llandudno so in my mind the ashes are prob off my coast. The coast that means a lot to me. Xxx
I get it but....there has to be a point at which we just shrug our shoulders knowing what's done was done for the right reasons. His ashes are probably not off your coast. It's not like putting a cup down on a table...the sea is in constant motion. He's gone. Gone. Why keep his memory alive in this way, even in anger?
That's the beauty of the mind isn't it. Tomorrow is another day with all it will deliver. Tbh my "anger" has gone now and has been replaced by disappointment. Give me half n hour n I'll possibly be happy. xxx"
But why are you disappointed? You should be celebrating. One scumbag less in the world and all his last wishes were ignored. Cremated in secret with no ceremony and unceremoniously dumped in the sea. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"You should read the facts before you post on here.
IAN BRADY HAS NOT BEEN BURIED AT SEA!
He was cremated in secret and his ashes were thrown into the sea.
Brady's executor failed to make proper arrangements for the funeral, and then wanted all sorts of things at the funeral - specific music for example.
No council or funeral director wanted to handle the matter. The courts were involved and directed that there be no funeral.
Cremating him in secret and throwing the ashes into the sea was the most sensible idea. It prevents all the freaks from attending the funeral, or visiting the grave etc, and it does the same for anyone looking for revenge.
I agree with this.
Does everyone forget that Osama bin Laden was also dumped at sea? It's a tactic used to stop twisted people from making a shrine of the burial site.
I don't think people would have been happy no matter what was done. He's dead and gone and now there's no discernible trace of him left. I feel for the people who have to make these decisions sometimes, knowing that whatever they do will be criticised.
I suppose if feel the way I do because I live in rhyl and the ashes left Liverpool marina as does the ferry that goes past rhyl on it's way to Llandudno so in my mind the ashes are prob off my coast. The coast that means a lot to me. Xxx
I get it but....there has to be a point at which we just shrug our shoulders knowing what's done was done for the right reasons. His ashes are probably not off your coast. It's not like putting a cup down on a table...the sea is in constant motion. He's gone. Gone. Why keep his memory alive in this way, even in anger?
That's the beauty of the mind isn't it. Tomorrow is another day with all it will deliver. Tbh my "anger" has gone now and has been replaced by disappointment. Give me half n hour n I'll possibly be happy. xxx
But why are you disappointed? You should be celebrating. One scumbag less in the world and all his last wishes were ignored. Cremated in secret with no ceremony and unceremoniously dumped in the sea. "
My opening op explains my feeling/thoughts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I doubt the person dumping the ashes would have done it with love or said nice things. They probably just chucked them in, said off you fuck and that was that.
As soon as he died his soul would have been taken down anyway so. |
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Your opening post was neither rational, nor realistic. The sea is full of crap, and can be pretty evil.
This is real life, not some romantic poem.
If you keep the ashes in prison, then that not rational. There is no risk from ashes! And you create a shrine. |
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"Where was Myra buried?"
She was cremated too and it was down to her family to decide what to do with her ashes. I am not aware that they ever made their decision public, sensibly.
Once again, there was a problem in trying to find an undertaker to handle the cremation. |
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"Think his body should of been given to science End of "
Seriously? Have you read any of this thread? Have you read anything about what the court was trying to achieve?
Which university would accept it?
Which medical student would want him as their body?
Yours is the most ridiculous and impractical suggestion yet.
And it still does not address what happens to the body once the medical student has finished with it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Think his body should of been given to science End of "
Certainly his brain to see how it was wired n if we could learn something about why he did what he did. Xxx |
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"Think his body should of been given to science End of
Certainly his brain to see how it was wired n if we could learn something about why he did what he did. Xxx"
I don't think you know anything about medicine or medical students, or dissection do you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Where was Myra buried?"
Or Fred West? Or countless other people that have committed hideous crimes?
As vile as Brady was, if the Coroner hadn't made a statement about the funeral arrangements non of this furore would have happened
It seems to me that Brady got exactly what he wanted which was to take his infamy quite literally to his grave |
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"Where was Myra buried?
Or Fred West? Or countless other people that have committed hideous crimes?
As vile as Brady was, if the Coroner hadn't made a statement about the funeral arrangements non of this furore would have happened
It seems to me that Brady got exactly what he wanted which was to take his infamy quite literally to his grave"
Completely agree with this. Xxx |
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"Think his body should of been given to science End of
Certainly his brain to see how it was wired n if we could learn something about why he did what he did. Xxx"
I'm glad some one sees where im comming from  |
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"Think his body should of been given to science End of
Certainly his brain to see how it was wired n if we could learn something about why he did what he did. Xxx
I'm glad some one sees where im comming from "
Ditto. Xxx |
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"Where was Myra buried?
Or Fred West? Or countless other people that have committed hideous crimes?
As vile as Brady was, if the Coroner hadn't made a statement about the funeral arrangements non of this furore would have happened
It seems to me that Brady got exactly what he wanted which was to take his infamy quite literally to his grave"
Does anyone bother to find out the facts before posting on here?
It was nothing to do with the coroner and everything to do with Brady's Will and what the Executor was or was not doing, that caused the problems. |
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"Think his body should of been given to science End of
Quite rightly the state doesn't have the power to do that"
And it's irrelevant as no one would have accepted it, and it would still have to be disposed of once that had finished with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Where was Myra buried?
Or Fred West? Or countless other people that have committed hideous crimes?
As vile as Brady was, if the Coroner hadn't made a statement about the funeral arrangements non of this furore would have happened
It seems to me that Brady got exactly what he wanted which was to take his infamy quite literally to his grave
Does anyone bother to find out the facts before posting on here?
It was nothing to do with the coroner and everything to do with Brady's Will and what the Executor was or was not doing, that caused the problems."
I am fully aware of the facts. The death was refered to the Coroner as Brady dies in state detention. The Coroner them issued a public statement within a matter of days stating that brady's body would not be released until assyringes had been received about his ashes not being scattered on Saddleworth Moor. The Coroner acknowledged that he had no legal powet to make demands on what happened to the ashes and from a legal if not moral poiny if view Brady's solicitors argued that the Coroner had no right to request that. At which point every crematorium and funeral director realised there was a shit storm of bad publicity if they got involved.
There are numerous articles about this around 16th/17th May but as I'm on my phone I can't link them as I'm on my phone |
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I'm not sure where would of been fitting. Part of me thinks his cremated remains should of been taken back to Ashworth.
But then being at sea, the ghouls have nowhere to worship him as such.
I just feel for the Bennett family, I know Alan personally and he's been through hell between the stress of this and the ridiculous stories in the Daily Star.
I think enough waffle has been spent on Brady, we need to think about the little boy who's still lost and who's family were denied the chance to bury him properly.
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"Where was Myra buried?
Or Fred West? Or countless other people that have committed hideous crimes?
As vile as Brady was, if the Coroner hadn't made a statement about the funeral arrangements non of this furore would have happened
It seems to me that Brady got exactly what he wanted which was to take his infamy quite literally to his grave
Does anyone bother to find out the facts before posting on here?
It was nothing to do with the coroner and everything to do with Brady's Will and what the Executor was or was not doing, that caused the problems.
I am fully aware of the facts. The death was refered to the Coroner as Brady dies in state detention. The Coroner them issued a public statement within a matter of days stating that brady's body would not be released until assyringes had been received about his ashes not being scattered on Saddleworth Moor. The Coroner acknowledged that he had no legal powet to make demands on what happened to the ashes and from a legal if not moral poiny if view Brady's solicitors argued that the Coroner had no right to request that. At which point every crematorium and funeral director realised there was a shit storm of bad publicity if they got involved.
There are numerous articles about this around 16th/17th May but as I'm on my phone I can't link them as I'm on my phone "
The Coroner made that statement, because of the concerns of the victims families about what might have been in Brady's Will.
The matter could easily have been dealt with, had the Executor given assurances that that was not going to happen.
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"I'm not sure where would of been fitting. Part of me thinks his cremated remains should of been taken back to Ashworth.
But then being at sea, the ghouls have nowhere to worship him as such.
I just feel for the Bennett family, I know Alan personally and he's been through hell between the stress of this and the ridiculous stories in the Daily Star.
I think enough waffle has been spent on Brady, we need to think about the little boy who's still lost and who's family were denied the chance to bury him properly.
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I hope that One day he'll be found. Xxx |
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Why are you arguing about what has happened to his remains and making stupid remarks about the law and stuff. Shame on you.
The man is dead, good riddance to him.
All go and light a candle for the Bennett family and his other victims.
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The more I read through the sentiments and some passive aggressive comments on here the more I became uncomfortable with the implications. On one hand most would agree with the Golden Rule of do onto others as you would have them do to you, yet we feel in cases it's ok for us to treat others badly if they have treated people wrong. I find this hard to swallow, simply put I can't find myself to justify treating him any different than say a friend. If I do I am lowering myself to his level and if i apply the Golden Rule then others has cause to treat me in the same way.
In no way am I justifying or belittling the awful things that he has done. I'm taking responsibility for my actions in order that I cannot be accused of being like him in thought or deed.
Surely by not stooping we are in fact lifting society and influencing for good those around us. I understand people's anger but to wish on him what he did to others and not give him respect as another human, though he may not deserve it in our eyes, means we are not much different. Sometimes all that separates us from someone else's actions and behaviour is only just the thought. |
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"Why are you arguing about what has happened to his remains and making stupid remarks about the law and stuff. Shame on you.
The man is dead, good riddance to him.
All go and light a candle for the Bennett family and his other victims.
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Why are you trying to silence debate? What is the point of candle lighting?
The original post was not about his victims or their families. It was about whether it was appropriate to dump his ashes at sea. That is what is being discussed. |
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"Why are you arguing about what has happened to his remains and making stupid remarks about the law and stuff. Shame on you.
The man is dead, good riddance to him.
All go and light a candle for the Bennett family and his other victims.
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Going off topic a little did anyone watch Toss Kemp last night visiting the Scottish prison?
He chatted to a pedo who liked to watch child images
You could see Ross Kemp was sickened by him and wanted to tear his head off with the comment the pedo made that he thought some kids enjoyed poseing for some of the images
I wanted to kick my tv screen in when he said that |
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over a year ago
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"I'm a kitesurer
The news made me wince just a little
However it's done , no harm can be done it's forgotten x"
I love watching the kitesurfers. We have 2 guys who fly past the flat with parachutes and what I can only describe as electric fans strapped to them. xxx |
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"I'm a kitesurer
The news made me wince just a little
However it's done , no harm can be done it's forgotten x
I love watching the kitesurfers. We have 2 guys who fly past the flat with parachutes and what I can only describe as electric fans strapped to them. xxx"
They are powered para gliders not my thing as I prefer to be powered by nature I call it lassoing the wind
Anyhow the thought of swallowing waters with his ashes did touch a nerve but then statistically it's probable we have all drank an atom me his piss , so I'm over it now lol |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I'm a kitesurer
The news made me wince just a little
However it's done , no harm can be done it's forgotten x
I love watching the kitesurfers. We have 2 guys who fly past the flat with parachutes and what I can only describe as electric fans strapped to them. xxx
They are powered para gliders not my thing as I prefer to be powered by nature I call it lassoing the wind
Anyhow the thought of swallowing waters with his ashes did touch a nerve but then statistically it's probable we have all drank an atom me his piss , so I'm over it now lol"
See you understand what I'm saying because you too love the sea.
I'm over it now too xxx |
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non of the families should have been given any details of how they were dealt with post mortem or where the remains were disposed of this way like the poor family of those never found ? They would have to deal with it !!
Harsh on the families !!! Ain't life a bitch get on with it and live in the knowledge that for all these years and the rest of their lives the families of those not found will now know that they are suffering not knowing where they are !! |
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"Fortunately the ashes are not bad they actually are vital nutrients for all life x"
Rubbish.
They contain some nutrients that might help plant life, but not when dissolved in the sea. 10 lbs of ashes at max diluted into how many million gallons!
And if there is mercury in teeth fillings or gold teeth, then that is harmful! |
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"Fortunately the ashes are not bad they actually are vital nutrients for all life x
Rubbish.
They contain some nutrients that might help plant life, but not when dissolved in the sea. 10 lbs of ashes at max diluted into how many million gallons!
And if there is mercury in teeth fillings or gold teeth, then that is harmful!"
Lol nutrients add up and yes life on this planet utilises even mercury
Point is the bad was in the live creatures mind
All that is left is elements and compounds that life will use to its benefit |
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"Fortunately the ashes are not bad they actually are vital nutrients for all life x
Rubbish.
They contain some nutrients that might help plant life, but not when dissolved in the sea. 10 lbs of ashes at max diluted into how many million gallons!
And if there is mercury in teeth fillings or gold teeth, then that is harmful!"
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Are human cremation ashes toxic?
Are cremation (cremains) ashes toxic?
No.
Can they be harmful in any way?
Somewhat, if concentrated amounts are placed on grass it can cause a ‘burning’, a similar effect of putting on too much fertiliser. So they need spreading out and if you are putting them in the soil you need to dig them in to prevent concentrated matter in one place. Once spread out it appears that it will have either no impact or if in significant amounts it will take on some of the properties of a limestone soil.
Also, large amounts in sensitive ecosystems such as at the top of a mountain may alter the natural ecology – so don’t chose the summit!
Cremated remains are mostly dry calcium phosphates with some minor minerals, such as salts of sodium and potassium. Sulfur and most carbon are driven off as oxidized gases during the process, although a relatively small amount of carbon may remain as carbonate. – Wikipedia
Second Reference: The analysis of burned human remains By Christopher W. Schmidt, Steve A. Symes
So in other words the ashes will have no effect on/in the sea which I see as quite appropriate xxx |
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I'm the daughter of a funeral director and yes I agree whole heartedly but unfortunately everyone is entitled to a funeral and that includes Ian Brady. No one wanted to do his funeral same with the Manchester Bomber but again there will be one funeral director that will. Sadly his last wishes whatever they are will have had to be met.
I for one would have been happy to cremate his body as I'd know he was really dead. |
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"Are human cremation ashes toxic?
Are cremation (cremains) ashes toxic?
No.
Can they be harmful in any way?
Somewhat, if concentrated amounts are placed on grass it can cause a ‘burning’, a similar effect of putting on too much fertiliser. So they need spreading out and if you are putting them in the soil you need to dig them in to prevent concentrated matter in one place. Once spread out it appears that it will have either no impact or if in significant amounts it will take on some of the properties of a limestone soil.
Also, large amounts in sensitive ecosystems such as at the top of a mountain may alter the natural ecology – so don’t chose the summit!
Cremated remains are mostly dry calcium phosphates with some minor minerals, such as salts of sodium and potassium. Sulfur and most carbon are driven off as oxidized gases during the process, although a relatively small amount of carbon may remain as carbonate. – Wikipedia
Second Reference: The analysis of burned human remains By Christopher W. Schmidt, Steve A. Symes
So in other words the ashes will have no effect on/in the sea which I see as quite appropriate xxx"
Schmidt and Symes failed to address mercury in teeth fillings and gold teeth. |
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"I'm the daughter of a funeral director and yes I agree whole heartedly but unfortunately everyone is entitled to a funeral and that includes Ian Brady. No one wanted to do his funeral same with the Manchester Bomber but again there will be one funeral director that will. Sadly his last wishes whatever they are will have had to be met.
I for one would have been happy to cremate his body as I'd know he was really dead. "
You should have put yourself forward then, as it was almost impossible to find undertakers for either Brady or Hindley.
And Brady's last wishes WERE NOT kept to. The court saw to that. |
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"I'm the daughter of a funeral director and yes I agree whole heartedly but unfortunately everyone is entitled to a funeral and that includes Ian Brady. No one wanted to do his funeral same with the Manchester Bomber but again there will be one funeral director that will. Sadly his last wishes whatever they are will have had to be met.
I for one would have been happy to cremate his body as I'd know he was really dead.
You should have put yourself forward then, as it was almost impossible to find undertakers for either Brady or Hindley.
And Brady's last wishes WERE NOT kept to. The court saw to that."
Yes I know that but it would have been wrong to scatter his ashes on the moors!
Undertakers like to make money like everyone else, there will always be one willing to do this. |
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"I'm the daughter of a funeral director and yes I agree whole heartedly but unfortunately everyone is entitled to a funeral and that includes Ian Brady. No one wanted to do his funeral same with the Manchester Bomber but again there will be one funeral director that will. Sadly his last wishes whatever they are will have had to be met.
I for one would have been happy to cremate his body as I'd know he was really dead.
You should have put yourself forward then, as it was almost impossible to find undertakers for either Brady or Hindley.
And Brady's last wishes WERE NOT kept to. The court saw to that.
Yes I know that but it would have been wrong to scatter his ashes on the moors!
Undertakers like to make money like everyone else, there will always be one willing to do this. "
His wishes were much more than potential scattering. |
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"I'm the daughter of a funeral director and yes I agree whole heartedly but unfortunately everyone is entitled to a funeral and that includes Ian Brady. No one wanted to do his funeral same with the Manchester Bomber but again there will be one funeral director that will. Sadly his last wishes whatever they are will have had to be met.
I for one would have been happy to cremate his body as I'd know he was really dead.
You should have put yourself forward then, as it was almost impossible to find undertakers for either Brady or Hindley.
And Brady's last wishes WERE NOT kept to. The court saw to that.
Yes I know that but it would have been wrong to scatter his ashes on the moors!
Undertakers like to make money like everyone else, there will always be one willing to do this.
His wishes were much more than potential scattering."
They probably were, I've sadly not sure what his original wishes were. |
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"Should'nt we just be happy he is no longer here???
Exactly "
Yes, but someone started this thread, being a bit over-dramatic and complaining that he had been dumped in the sea, and that the sea was lovely, and full of lovely things, and he shouldn't be dumped in the sea.
And the thread debated whether it was right to dump his ashes in the sea, and what the alternatives might be.
No one is disputing that we are happy he is dead. He has been dead for a long time now. |
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Ashes to ashes dust to dust that is that has nothing to do with the soul and spirit just be at peace that the evil bastard is gone and don't waste your breathe or thoughts on him x |
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"Should'nt we just be happy he is no longer here???
Exactly
Yes, but someone started this thread, being a bit over-dramatic and complaining that he had been dumped in the sea, and that the sea was lovely, and full of lovely things, and he shouldn't be dumped in the sea.
And the thread debated whether it was right to dump his ashes in the sea, and what the alternatives might be.
No one is disputing that we are happy he is dead. He has been dead for a long time now."
Yes it started as a debate- but personaly i think he had enough limelight for what he did when he was alive yes as evil as he was i cursed him myself, but why let him still have the limelight now? Wherever his ashes are-- he can no longer harm- for that we should be gratefull |
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"Ashes to ashes dust to dust that is that has nothing to do with the soul and spirit just be at peace that the evil bastard is gone and don't waste your breathe or thoughts on him x"
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"Ashes to ashes dust to dust that is that has nothing to do with the soul and spirit just be at peace that the evil bastard is gone and don't waste your breathe or thoughts on him x
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There is no such thing as a soul and spirit. Just religious nonsense. |
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By *SAchickWoman
over a year ago
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"Ashes to ashes dust to dust that is that has nothing to do with the soul and spirit just be at peace that the evil bastard is gone and don't waste your breathe or thoughts on him x
There is no such thing as a soul and spirit. Just religious nonsense."
Gosh don't you just think you're right about everything |
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"Ashes to ashes dust to dust that is that has nothing to do with the soul and spirit just be at peace that the evil bastard is gone and don't waste your breathe or thoughts on him x
There is no such thing as a soul and spirit. Just religious nonsense.
Gosh don't you just think you're right about everything "
Well I've certainly been right in this thread as to why he was dumped at sea, and I've given the reasons for that to back up my arguments, not just silly over-dramatic feelings.
And if people want to worry and burden themselves with some nonsense about his spirit and soul floating around and still being a menace, then that is their mental illness problem.
Frankly, I am sane, and can thing for myself and weigh up evidence for myself and dead means dead. |
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"Ashes to ashes dust to dust that is that has nothing to do with the soul and spirit just be at peace that the evil bastard is gone and don't waste your breathe or thoughts on him x
There is no such thing as a soul and spirit. Just religious nonsense."
Thats YOUR opinion...something you seem to have a lot of on this thread...and none of it directed in a manner it should be...little bee in your bonnet or is there something more?  |
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"I'm the daughter of a funeral director and yes I agree whole heartedly but unfortunately everyone is entitled to a funeral and that includes Ian Brady. No one wanted to do his funeral same with the Manchester Bomber but again there will be one funeral director that will. Sadly his last wishes whatever they are will have had to be met.
I for one would have been happy to cremate his body as I'd know he was really dead.
You should have put yourself forward then, as it was almost impossible to find undertakers for either Brady or Hindley.
And Brady's last wishes WERE NOT kept to. The court saw to that.
Yes I know that but it would have been wrong to scatter his ashes on the moors!
Undertakers like to make money like everyone else, there will always be one willing to do this.
His wishes were much more than potential scattering."
I can't recall seeing them published anywhere? |
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"Ashes to ashes dust to dust that is that has nothing to do with the soul and spirit just be at peace that the evil bastard is gone and don't waste your breathe or thoughts on him x
There is no such thing as a soul and spirit. Just religious nonsense.
Thats YOUR opinion...something you seem to have a lot of on this thread...and none of it directed in a manner it should be...little bee in your bonnet or is there something more? "
I've quoted the law, the history and the facts of this matter.
My only opinion is as to the spirit and soul nonsense. And if you would rather believe some old nonsense written thousands of years ago, and amended, re-amended, mis-translated and mis-translated to suit the agenda of the day and the author, rather than what you can see around you with your own eyes and use your own mind to work out, then you are as silly as some of the posts on this thread that I have had to correct. |
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"Ashes to ashes dust to dust that is that has nothing to do with the soul and spirit just be at peace that the evil bastard is gone and don't waste your breathe or thoughts on him x
There is no such thing as a soul and spirit. Just religious nonsense.
Thats YOUR opinion...something you seem to have a lot of on this thread...and none of it directed in a manner it should be...little bee in your bonnet or is there something more?
I've quoted the law, the history and the facts of this matter.
My only opinion is as to the spirit and soul nonsense. And if you would rather believe some old nonsense written thousands of years ago, and amended, re-amended, mis-translated and mis-translated to suit the agenda of the day and the author, rather than what you can see around you with your own eyes and use your own mind to work out, then you are as silly as some of the posts on this thread that I have had to correct."
Have "HAD" to correct...yep, that about sums you up! Are you trying to make up for failings in other departments?  |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"He should have been incinerated then his ashes emptied into a bin then dumped on a land fill site somewhere
Yes that would of been much better. Xx
No it would not. Human remains are not allowed in landfill sites. Please research the law, before posting nonsense."
It was just an opinion. Nobody has to research the law before they post |
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"He should have been incinerated then his ashes emptied into a bin then dumped on a land fill site somewhere
Yes that would of been much better. Xx
No it would not. Human remains are not allowed in landfill sites. Please research the law, before posting nonsense.
It was just an opinion. Nobody has to research the law before they post"
I suppose that might depend on wether what they were posting is legal or not. |
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"He should have been incinerated then his ashes emptied into a bin then dumped on a land fill site somewhere
Yes that would of been much better. Xx
No it would not. Human remains are not allowed in landfill sites. Please research the law, before posting nonsense.
It was just an opinion. Nobody has to research the law before they post"
It's hard work being a good girl xxx |
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"I my self would of just let the rats and maggots feed off him
Preferably in his cell thirty years ago along with her when they were still breathing!
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yes that would of been an excellent thing to happen but both of them would have got off on something like that |
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By *ieman300Man
over a year ago
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I haven't read the story so I don't know how this has become public knowledge. Whatever they did with him should have been top secret. Mainly to stop any shrine type thing as peeps have mentioned already. |
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Just because it was reported it doesn't mean it is true. What he did should not and will not be forgotten but once he had died it should have been reported and then he should not have been mentioned again.
This was a profoundly evil man who took pleasure from manipulation and although I completely understand the emotions this creates he is still manipulating people after his death. He thrived on attention when he deserved none, and still doesn't deserve any.
Remember the poor victims and those left behind. |
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"Ashes to ashes dust to dust that is that has nothing to do with the soul and spirit just be at peace that the evil bastard is gone and don't waste your breathe or thoughts on him x
There is no such thing as a soul and spirit. Just religious nonsense.
Thats YOUR opinion...something you seem to have a lot of on this thread...and none of it directed in a manner it should be...little bee in your bonnet or is there something more?
I've quoted the law, the history and the facts of this matter.
My only opinion is as to the spirit and soul nonsense. And if you would rather believe some old nonsense written thousands of years ago, and amended, re-amended, mis-translated and mis-translated to suit the agenda of the day and the author, rather than what you can see around you with your own eyes and use your own mind to work out, then you are as silly as some of the posts on this thread that I have had to correct."
You're only quoting facts as you know it, limiting in your understanding. Because you know nothing of the spirit world you presume it's nonsense.
I may be so bold as to say you know a lot less than you seem to make out....but that's often the case with most of us when we don't know about something.
A bit like squirting.....i know everything about it but I'm talking piss most of the time, others have a clearer idea
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"Ashes to ashes dust to dust that is that has nothing to do with the soul and spirit just be at peace that the evil bastard is gone and don't waste your breathe or thoughts on him x
There is no such thing as a soul and spirit. Just religious nonsense.
Gosh don't you just think you're right about everything
Well I've certainly been right in this thread as to why he was dumped at sea, and I've given the reasons for that to back up my arguments, not just silly over-dramatic feelings.
And if people want to worry and burden themselves with some nonsense about his spirit and soul floating around and still being a menace, then that is their mental illness problem.
Frankly, I am sane, and can thing for myself and weigh up evidence for myself and dead means dead."
So no zombie apocalypse then? |
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"If his ashes had ended up land based, where would they go? I can't think of anyone that would welcome them in their area, so at sea is probably for the best.
It also means that any sick puppies that want to visit his graves have to drown themselves in the process...
Very true. I just see the sea as a beautiful place somewhere where evil doesn't belong. Not sure certainly in my lifetime this problem hasn't arrisen before. Very differcut choice to make for all involved. Someone somewhere would of found issues with any dissision made. Xxx"
Think they did the same to Osama Bin Laden.
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"You should read the facts before you post on here.
IAN BRADY HAS NOT BEEN BURIED AT SEA!
He was cremated in secret and his ashes were thrown into the sea.
Brady's executor failed to make proper arrangements for the funeral, and then wanted all sorts of things at the funeral - specific music for example.
No council or funeral director wanted to handle the matter. The courts were involved and directed that there be no funeral.
Cremating him in secret and throwing the ashes into the sea was the most sensible idea. It prevents all the freaks from attending the funeral, or visiting the grave etc, and it does the same for anyone looking for revenge.
I agree with this.
Does everyone forget that Osama bin Laden was also dumped at sea? It's a tactic used to stop twisted people from making a shrine of the burial site.
I don't think people would have been happy no matter what was done. He's dead and gone and now there's no discernible trace of him left. I feel for the people who have to make these decisions sometimes, knowing that whatever they do will be criticised."
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