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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Pretend I'm an uncultured millennial with no knowledge of or interest in politics....
Why can't she sack them?"
Simple answer? So simply not allowed to by the way parliament is set up. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Pretend I'm an uncultured millennial with no knowledge of or interest in politics....
Why can't she sack them?
Simple answer? So simply not allowed to by the way parliament is set up."
She's now asked John Bercow, the Speaker of the House of Commons, to investigate, with a view to changing disciplinary procedures. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Pretend I'm an uncultured millennial with no knowledge of or interest in politics....
Why can't she sack them?"
Might have something to do with accusations rather than actual convictions
"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?"
I think that they should be suspended till everything is clear. I am no Tory, by a long chalk, but it isn't going to do them or the party any favours in trust if they just try and carry on as if nothing is wrong. That said, this is the party of sweeping anything undesirable under the carpet and just pretending everything is fine |
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"Pretend I'm an uncultured millennial with no knowledge of or interest in politics....
Why can't she sack them?
Simple answer? So simply not allowed to by the way parliament is set up."
Right. Lovely country we live in |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"If they're just claims and not proven at this stage it wouldn't be right to sack them. If proven I'm sure there must be some misconduct rule for MP's to remove them"
I think you will find in any other industry, you would find yourself on at least gardening leave whilst being under investigation for claims of this magnitude |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Firstly there is the principle of innocent until proven guilty.
Whilst allegations have been made, until they are investigated there is nothing that can be done.
However, they could have the whip withdrawn so that they are no longer Parliamentary members of the Conservative Party, which would leave May without the slim majority that she has.
Bear in mind that this is a cross party issue, we have to be careful to ensure that all sides of the house investigate their respective MP's.
Any MP that has committed a criminal offence would have to be jailed for a year or more to be expelled.
They could of course stand for Parliament again.
Who says they aren't above the law... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Pretend I'm an uncultured millennial with no knowledge of or interest in politics....
Why can't she sack them?
Simple answer? So simply not allowed to by the way parliament is set up.
She's now asked John Bercow, the Speaker of the House of Commons, to investigate, with a view to changing disciplinary procedures."
That is a step in the right direction in my view  |
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"Pretend I'm an uncultured millennial with no knowledge of or interest in politics....
Why can't she sack them?
Simple answer? So simply not allowed to by the way parliament is set up.
Right. Lovely country we live in "
It boils down to the fact they're elected officials, so they're not technically employed by the prime minister or by the government, they're employed by their constituents. Those with cabinet posts can certainly be sacked from their role, or suspended pending investigation, but the government, as it stands, has no power to expel them or "sack" them from Westminster altogether because they simply don't work for them. They can only be "sacked" by means of a vote in their constituency. |
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"Pretend I'm an uncultured millennial with no knowledge of or interest in politics....
Why can't she sack them?
Simple answer? So simply not allowed to by the way parliament is set up.
Right. Lovely country we live in
It boils down to the fact they're elected officials, so they're not technically employed by the prime minister or by the government, they're employed by their constituents. Those with cabinet posts can certainly be sacked from their role, or suspended pending investigation, but the government, as it stands, has no power to expel them or "sack" them from Westminster altogether because they simply don't work for them. They can only be "sacked" by means of a vote in their constituency. "
Can't they just be put in the naughty corner til it's sorted? |
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"Firstly there is the principle of innocent until proven guilty.
Whilst allegations have been made, until they are investigated there is nothing that can be done.
However, they could have the whip withdrawn so that they are no longer Parliamentary members of the Conservative Party, which would leave May without the slim majority that she has.
Bear in mind that this is a cross party issue, we have to be careful to ensure that all sides of the house investigate their respective MP's.
Any MP that has committed a criminal offence would have to be jailed for a year or more to be expelled.
They could of course stand for Parliament again.
Who says they aren't above the law..."
Yes, this too.
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"Pretend I'm an uncultured millennial with no knowledge of or interest in politics....
Why can't she sack them?
Simple answer? So simply not allowed to by the way parliament is set up.
Right. Lovely country we live in
It boils down to the fact they're elected officials, so they're not technically employed by the prime minister or by the government, they're employed by their constituents. Those with cabinet posts can certainly be sacked from their role, or suspended pending investigation, but the government, as it stands, has no power to expel them or "sack" them from Westminster altogether because they simply don't work for them. They can only be "sacked" by means of a vote in their constituency.
Can't they just be put in the naughty corner til it's sorted?"
Tory MPs? They'd love it in the naughty corner the dirty bastards |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If a women as been sexually abused then the MP should be arrested.
Parliament must heaving with CCTV especially the bars where a lot of these alleged ‘assaults’ took place so why is this not being used.
I also wonder why women rightly or wrongly allow the odd grope because they want a job so much.
Ive know women use their bodies for gain at low level (not parliament) so who is to say they are not say flirting or teasing to get what they want and now see another way in to further their careers.
Just hope the real victims don’t get fucked up due to this.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?"
I'm sorry but regardless of their roles, I thought there was a rule of thumb;innocent until proven guilty? Why should anyone be sacked at the first accusation? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?"
Sack them |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?
Sack them"
With out proof ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?
Sack them
With out proof ?"
Suspend them, then and if it's proving then sack them |
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"Just a thought, Cliff Richard had sex accusations levelled against him, they turned out to be untrue....Get my drift XXX"
Michael Jackson was never convicted either, rightly or wrongly. Unproven isn't necessarily the same as untrue, though.
It's not as black & white an issue as people on either side of the argument would like it to be, as is often the case. On one hand, "innocent until proven guilty" is an absolute. It's the very basis of any vaguely civilised justice system, and this simply MUST be the case.
On the other hand, this ISN'T, as yet, a criminal matter, but an internal issue. While there should still be presumption of innocence, if these people are indeed a danger to the women they work with, surely there is also a duty of care to protect those women? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words. |
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"Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words."
So we should just ignore it, because everyone is at it? One Or two female MP smacking someone's arse somehow cancels out dozens of male MPs doing the same thing, so it's all absolutely fine? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words.
So we should just ignore it, because everyone is at it? One Or two female MP smacking someone's arse somehow cancels out dozens of male MPs doing the same thing, so it's all absolutely fine?
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I didn't say that.
You know I didn't say that 
Everyone has the right to work without harrassment. I am just saying that it isn't just women being harrassed.
You also assume that it is just female mp's harassing males. |
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"Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words."
Women sexually harassing men happens less frequently, but it happens.
Many younger men or socially awkward guys suffer from this and its almost always called harmless banter.
It's never ok whoever is doing it and I think "predominantly" is the correct word to use. |
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"Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words.
So we should just ignore it, because everyone is at it? One Or two female MP smacking someone's arse somehow cancels out dozens of male MPs doing the same thing, so it's all absolutely fine?
I didn't say that.
You know I didn't say that
Everyone has the right to work without harrassment. I am just saying that it isn't just women being harrassed.
You also assume that it is just female mp's harassing males."
Then I don't see what relevance gender has to the conversation. Why bring it up? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?
Sack them
With out proof ?
Suspend them, then and if it's proving then sack them"
In the corrupt world they live in women will be accusing people from the other side all the time for political gain.
Like I said earlier the CCTV in the commons must be everywhere. Time to use it. |
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"Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words.
So we should just ignore it, because everyone is at it? One Or two female MP smacking someone's arse somehow cancels out dozens of male MPs doing the same thing, so it's all absolutely fine?
I didn't say that.
You know I didn't say that
Everyone has the right to work without harrassment. I am just saying that it isn't just women being harrassed.
You also assume that it is just female mp's harassing males.
Then I don't see what relevance gender has to the conversation. Why bring it up?"
Because gender was brought up in the reporting.
It's useful to discuss all aspects of sexual harassment and it's difficult to do that in a gender neutral way. |
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?
Sack them
With out proof ?
Suspend them, then and if it's proving then sack them
In the corrupt world they live in women will be accusing people from the other side all the time for political gain.
Like I said earlier the CCTV in the commons must be everywhere. Time to use it. "
Many of the accusations have come from women working for the MPs not from the other side. |
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If serious allegations were made against me at work I would expect to be suspended pending investigation. MPs can be suspended from whichever political party they belong to.
This will open the flood gates to many allegations, I've no comment on how many will be true but I'm glad that finally people are waking up to what many, many women (and some men) have known for years. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"If serious allegations were made against me at work I would expect to be suspended pending investigation. MPs can be suspended from whichever political party they belong to.
This will open the flood gates to many allegations, I've no comment on how many will be true but I'm glad that finally people are waking up to what many, many women (and some men) have known for years."
the problem as such is that MP's as such are independent contractors and employ their own staff..... so if you boss as such is the one doing the harassing, there is nowhere else you can take it to....
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"If serious allegations were made against me at work I would expect to be suspended pending investigation. MPs can be suspended from whichever political party they belong to.
This will open the flood gates to many allegations, I've no comment on how many will be true but I'm glad that finally people are waking up to what many, many women (and some men) have known for years.
the problem as such is that MP's as such are independent contractors and employ their own staff..... so if you boss as such is the one doing the harassing, there is nowhere else you can take it to....
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Until now.
The problem is that for far too long people mainly men, have been sexually harassing those who are in a position that makes it difficult to speak out. Those that do speak out were frequently accused of bringing it on themselves by the way they dressed or by being friendly, of having no sense of humour as it was "only banter" or of making it up. Worse still many of them were hounded out of their jobs.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words.
So we should just ignore it, because everyone is at it? One Or two female MP smacking someone's arse somehow cancels out dozens of male MPs doing the same thing, so it's all absolutely fine?
I didn't say that.
You know I didn't say that
Everyone has the right to work without harrassment. I am just saying that it isn't just women being harrassed.
You also assume that it is just female mp's harassing males.
Then I don't see what relevance gender has to the conversation. Why bring it up?"
If you followed the thread, someone else brought gender into it first. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?
Sack them
With out proof ?
Suspend them, then and if it's proving then sack them
In the corrupt world they live in women will be accusing people from the other side all the time for political gain.
Like I said earlier the CCTV in the commons must be everywhere. Time to use it.
Many of the accusations have come from women working for the MPs not from the other side."
I understand that but I also feel it will be used as a weapon in the corrupt political world. |
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"Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words.
So we should just ignore it, because everyone is at it? One Or two female MP smacking someone's arse somehow cancels out dozens of male MPs doing the same thing, so it's all absolutely fine?
I didn't say that.
You know I didn't say that
Everyone has the right to work without harrassment. I am just saying that it isn't just women being harrassed.
You also assume that it is just female mp's harassing males.
Then I don't see what relevance gender has to the conversation. Why bring it up?
If you followed the thread, someone else brought gender into it first."
"I also wonder why women rightly or wrongly allow the odd grope because they want a job so much.
Ive know women use their bodies for gain at low level (not parliament) so who is to say they are not say flirting or teasing to get what they want and now see another way in to further their careers."
This chap? Yeah, I guess that's a fair shout then. Without a point of reference your initial post just came across as "whatabout-ism." I apologise for snapping. |
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?
Sack them
With out proof ?
Suspend them, then and if it's proving then sack them
In the corrupt world they live in women will be accusing people from the other side all the time for political gain.
Like I said earlier the CCTV in the commons must be everywhere. Time to use it.
Many of the accusations have come from women working for the MPs not from the other side.
I understand that but I also feel it will be used as a weapon in the corrupt political world. "
Maybe Theresa May will "accidentally" "lose" all the files on it, like she did with the paedophile MPs, and they'll all be fine. |
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"Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words.
So we should just ignore it, because everyone is at it? One Or two female MP smacking someone's arse somehow cancels out dozens of male MPs doing the same thing, so it's all absolutely fine?
I didn't say that.
You know I didn't say that
Everyone has the right to work without harrassment. I am just saying that it isn't just women being harrassed.
You also assume that it is just female mp's harassing males.
Then I don't see what relevance gender has to the conversation. Why bring it up?
If you followed the thread, someone else brought gender into it first.
"I also wonder why women rightly or wrongly allow the odd grope because they want a job so much.
Ive know women use their bodies for gain at low level (not parliament) so who is to say they are not say flirting or teasing to get what they want and now see another way in to further their careers."
This chap? Yeah, I guess that's a fair shout then. Without a point of reference your initial post just came across as "whatabout-ism." I apologise for snapping."
Women don't "allow the odd grope". This isn't about women using their bodies for gain its about powerless women being groped, having pervy and lewd comments made and much, much worse and it being passed off as a bit of fun or covered up.
It wouldn't happen to me now but when I was younger I was subject to sexual harassment frequently. Women didn't bother to report it because it was accepted by the establishment. We would discuss the men to avoid being alone with, the ones who had wandering hands, those who you didn't accept a lift with. Without exception they were men in positions of power. Reporting it was a waste of time you were told to avoid the guy or it was implied that you'd invited the attention.
I would point out that these men were a minority, most were decent guys but the minority didn't half get around.
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"Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words.
So we should just ignore it, because everyone is at it? One Or two female MP smacking someone's arse somehow cancels out dozens of male MPs doing the same thing, so it's all absolutely fine?
I didn't say that.
You know I didn't say that
Everyone has the right to work without harrassment. I am just saying that it isn't just women being harrassed.
You also assume that it is just female mp's harassing males.
Then I don't see what relevance gender has to the conversation. Why bring it up?
If you followed the thread, someone else brought gender into it first.
"I also wonder why women rightly or wrongly allow the odd grope because they want a job so much.
Ive know women use their bodies for gain at low level (not parliament) so who is to say they are not say flirting or teasing to get what they want and now see another way in to further their careers."
This chap? Yeah, I guess that's a fair shout then. Without a point of reference your initial post just came across as "whatabout-ism." I apologise for snapping.
Women don't "allow the odd grope". This isn't about women using their bodies for gain its about powerless women being groped, having pervy and lewd comments made and much, much worse and it being passed off as a bit of fun or covered up.
It wouldn't happen to me now but when I was younger I was subject to sexual harassment frequently. Women didn't bother to report it because it was accepted by the establishment. We would discuss the men to avoid being alone with, the ones who had wandering hands, those who you didn't accept a lift with. Without exception they were men in positions of power. Reporting it was a waste of time you were told to avoid the guy or it was implied that you'd invited the attention.
I would point out that these men were a minority, most were decent guys but the minority didn't half get around.
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"Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words.
So we should just ignore it, because everyone is at it? One Or two female MP smacking someone's arse somehow cancels out dozens of male MPs doing the same thing, so it's all absolutely fine?
I didn't say that.
You know I didn't say that
Everyone has the right to work without harrassment. I am just saying that it isn't just women being harrassed.
You also assume that it is just female mp's harassing males.
Then I don't see what relevance gender has to the conversation. Why bring it up?
If you followed the thread, someone else brought gender into it first.
"I also wonder why women rightly or wrongly allow the odd grope because they want a job so much.
Ive know women use their bodies for gain at low level (not parliament) so who is to say they are not say flirting or teasing to get what they want and now see another way in to further their careers."
This chap? Yeah, I guess that's a fair shout then. Without a point of reference your initial post just came across as "whatabout-ism." I apologise for snapping.
Women don't "allow the odd grope". This isn't about women using their bodies for gain its about powerless women being groped, having pervy and lewd comments made and much, much worse and it being passed off as a bit of fun or covered up.
It wouldn't happen to me now but when I was younger I was subject to sexual harassment frequently. Women didn't bother to report it because it was accepted by the establishment. We would discuss the men to avoid being alone with, the ones who had wandering hands, those who you didn't accept a lift with. Without exception they were men in positions of power. Reporting it was a waste of time you were told to avoid the guy or it was implied that you'd invited the attention.
I would point out that these men were a minority, most were decent guys but the minority didn't half get around.
SOME Women DO "
And hopefully enquiries will establish if any of the women coming forward are those that did.
However I think that saying "women allow the odd grope" is implying that they all do. This is not so. |
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?
Sack them
With out proof ?
Suspend them, then and if it's proving then sack them
In the corrupt world they live in women will be accusing people from the other side all the time for political gain.
Like I said earlier the CCTV in the commons must be everywhere. Time to use it. "
they are not accusing people 'on the other side'....they are accusing their employers...can you please explain how that is 'political gain'? |
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"Just a thought...
It is assumed it is just male MP's doing the harassing. Just heard a report on the radio saying it is predominantly male MP's.
Predominantly. Interesting choice of words.
So we should just ignore it, because everyone is at it? One Or two female MP smacking someone's arse somehow cancels out dozens of male MPs doing the same thing, so it's all absolutely fine?
I didn't say that.
You know I didn't say that
Everyone has the right to work without harrassment. I am just saying that it isn't just women being harrassed.
You also assume that it is just female mp's harassing males.
Then I don't see what relevance gender has to the conversation. Why bring it up?
If you followed the thread, someone else brought gender into it first.
"I also wonder why women rightly or wrongly allow the odd grope because they want a job so much.
Ive know women use their bodies for gain at low level (not parliament) so who is to say they are not say flirting or teasing to get what they want and now see another way in to further their careers."
This chap? Yeah, I guess that's a fair shout then. Without a point of reference your initial post just came across as "whatabout-ism." I apologise for snapping.
Women don't "allow the odd grope". This isn't about women using their bodies for gain its about powerless women being groped, having pervy and lewd comments made and much, much worse and it being passed off as a bit of fun or covered up.
It wouldn't happen to me now but when I was younger I was subject to sexual harassment frequently. Women didn't bother to report it because it was accepted by the establishment. We would discuss the men to avoid being alone with, the ones who had wandering hands, those who you didn't accept a lift with. Without exception they were men in positions of power. Reporting it was a waste of time you were told to avoid the guy or it was implied that you'd invited the attention.
I would point out that these men were a minority, most were decent guys but the minority didn't half get around.
SOME Women DO "
This is an entirely invalid point. The (dubious) fact that Person A gave out a handjob for a promotion doesn't mean that it's permissible to sexually assault Person B. |
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?
Sack them
With out proof ?
Suspend them, then and if it's proving then sack them
In the corrupt world they live in women will be accusing people from the other side all the time for political gain.
Like I said earlier the CCTV in the commons must be everywhere. Time to use it.
they are not accusing people 'on the other side'....they are accusing their employers...can you please explain how that is 'political gain'?"
I was referring to the post that anyone accused should be sacked or suspended without proof.
I feel if that’s the case cross party accusation will start flying about for political gain.
My very post said , anyone found to have committed a sexual assault should be arrested. |
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The world is changing , and attitudes , and the way we all behave is changing .
I can remember as a 16 year old working in a bakery being the brunt of what might be considered as sexual harassment on a daily basis by the women working there and in the canteen . I thought nothing of it . They would pinch my butt , rub against me etc....
So many of the claims of sexual harassment which date back are nonsensical , as it was the norm then . The fact that we have moved on now , and the same behaviour is now unacceptable , is a good thing , but bringing it all up again is crazy .
It’s like saying you had a homosexual sex act pre the legalisation of it , and saying it was an illegal act then so prosecute the perpetrator .
So from a personal perspective I think the whole business of prosecuting minor offences dating back 30 or 40 years ago is bloody stupid , unproductive and often futile . |
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over a year ago
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?
I'm sorry but regardless of their roles, I thought there was a rule of thumb;innocent until proven guilty? Why should anyone be sacked at the first accusation? "
But I really can't decide which I think is right.
If they are named then other 'victims' may come forward. But are they more confident to speak out as they aren't the only ones, or lying to cash in.
Naming the person before a trial can destroy that person's life if the accusations are proved to be false.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Immediately suspended and investigation.
Shows how Ms May is too weak and fairly clueless as a leader - but the fans are loving the European shambles she's lined up "
Labour supporter by any chance.
For the record I hate them all. Think they are a bunch of soft snowflakes now. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just a thought, Cliff Richard had sex accusations levelled against him, they turned out to be untrue....Get my drift XXX"
High people in high places...cliff knows a lot |
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?"
Some men are confused as to what member of parliament means. They shouldn't think with their members. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Astounding that the lawmakers apear to be above the law and have no procedures in place for this.
If i sneeze at work i have to fill in 20 documents in case i offended anyone, yet these powerhungry people fel that they can do anything. The law applies to all. If guilty sack them. |
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?
Sack them
With out proof ?
Suspend them, then and if it's proving then sack them
In the corrupt world they live in women will be accusing people from the other side all the time for political gain.
Like I said earlier the CCTV in the commons must be everywhere. Time to use it.
they are not accusing people 'on the other side'....they are accusing their employers...can you please explain how that is 'political gain'?
I was referring to the post that anyone accused should be sacked or suspended without proof.
I feel if that’s the case cross party accusation will start flying about for political gain.
My very post said , anyone found to have committed a sexual assault should be arrested. "
I think that is already happening with the leak of this list. If anyone thinks this is primarily an issue just with the Tories, they are delusional. The SWP tore itself apart over a cover up of a serious sexual assault, Labour have just suspended one MP whose antics were covered up for at least a year. I'm sure there will be much more to come out over the next few weeks. Don't forget that Jeremy Corbyn had an affair with Diane Abbot whilst married to his first wife. |
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The breakdown includes:
2 serving Cabinet ministers accused of inappropriate behaviour towards women.
18 serving ministers accused of various forms of inappropriate sexual behaviour.
12 MPs who are said to have behaved inappropriately towards female researchers.
4 MPs who are alleged to have behaved inappropriately towards male researchers.
Bear in mind there are Labour and Lib-Dems that have yet to be leaked.
MEP's are just as bad... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's not always what they do, although invading people's space isn't on at all, it's the denial and pitiful apologies that get me irritated. Representatives of the people? Don't make me laugh. |
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"The breakdown includes:
2 serving Cabinet ministers accused of inappropriate behaviour towards women.
18 serving ministers accused of various forms of inappropriate sexual behaviour.
12 MPs who are said to have behaved inappropriately towards female researchers.
4 MPs who are alleged to have behaved inappropriately towards male researchers.
Bear in mind there are Labour and Lib-Dems that have yet to be leaked.
MEP's are just as bad..."
I agree. This has come out on the tory MPs and whilst I'm a Labour voter...I have no doubt it will include a fair few labour MP's now the spotlight is on them all.
I fear as you it will be rampant across both parliaments with all parties but think it's now time to come down hard on anyone who has been named.
For example many of the names on the his have not even had the whip withdraw.
That is only for the benefit of the parties and it is looking like double standards instead of showing the electorate that they are dealing with this matter. |
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"The breakdown includes:
2 serving Cabinet ministers accused of inappropriate behaviour towards women.
18 serving ministers accused of various forms of inappropriate sexual behaviour.
12 MPs who are said to have behaved inappropriately towards female researchers.
4 MPs who are alleged to have behaved inappropriately towards male researchers.
Bear in mind there are Labour and Lib-Dems that have yet to be leaked.
MEP's are just as bad...
I agree. This has come out on the tory MPs and whilst I'm a Labour voter...I have no doubt it will include a fair few labour MP's now the spotlight is on them all.
I fear as you it will be rampant across both parliaments with all parties but think it's now time to come down hard on anyone who has been named.
For example many of the names on the his have not even had the whip withdraw.
That is only for the benefit of the parties and it is looking like double standards instead of showing the electorate that they are dealing with this matter."
Well here's where the significance of it being the Tories in trouble in this instance lies, of course. The government's majority is so shakey, if they expel the MPs on this list they'll lose it altogether. |
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"The breakdown includes:
2 serving Cabinet ministers accused of inappropriate behaviour towards women.
18 serving ministers accused of various forms of inappropriate sexual behaviour.
12 MPs who are said to have behaved inappropriately towards female researchers.
4 MPs who are alleged to have behaved inappropriately towards male researchers.
Bear in mind there are Labour and Lib-Dems that have yet to be leaked.
MEP's are just as bad...
I agree. This has come out on the tory MPs and whilst I'm a Labour voter...I have no doubt it will include a fair few labour MP's now the spotlight is on them all.
I fear as you it will be rampant across both parliaments with all parties but think it's now time to come down hard on anyone who has been named.
For example many of the names on the his have not even had the whip withdraw.
That is only for the benefit of the parties and it is looking like double standards instead of showing the electorate that they are dealing with this matter.
Well here's where the significance of it being the Tories in trouble in this instance lies, of course. The government's majority is so shakey, if they expel the MPs on this list they'll lose it altogether. "
So a prime example of self preservation come what May. |
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"The breakdown includes:
2 serving Cabinet ministers accused of inappropriate behaviour towards women.
18 serving ministers accused of various forms of inappropriate sexual behaviour.
12 MPs who are said to have behaved inappropriately towards female researchers.
4 MPs who are alleged to have behaved inappropriately towards male researchers.
Bear in mind there are Labour and Lib-Dems that have yet to be leaked.
MEP's are just as bad...
I agree. This has come out on the tory MPs and whilst I'm a Labour voter...I have no doubt it will include a fair few labour MP's now the spotlight is on them all.
I fear as you it will be rampant across both parliaments with all parties but think it's now time to come down hard on anyone who has been named.
For example many of the names on the his have not even had the whip withdraw.
That is only for the benefit of the parties and it is looking like double standards instead of showing the electorate that they are dealing with this matter.
Well here's where the significance of it being the Tories in trouble in this instance lies, of course. The government's majority is so shakey, if they expel the MPs on this list they'll lose it altogether.
So a prime example of self preservation come what May."
"We're taking this so seriously I've asked the speaker to form a select committee to thoroughly investigate these claims. Very very thoroughly. Very very very thoroughly indeed. So thoroughly, in fact, that I expect the investigation to take at least four years..." |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Pretend I'm an uncultured millennial with no knowledge of or interest in politics....
Why can't she sack them?"
She can throw them out of the party (only the ones in her party), however it was their constituents who put them there, not the PM, so the PM can't fire them. Obviously there are a number of parties represented at Westminster. |
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First, my thoughts are, its a political tread, this should not be in the lounge. 
Secondly, whatever I think doesn't matter, I didn't vote for her or her party, so my thoughts were not taken into consideration on poling day, do you think they will any influence on anything on this thread?
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"First, my thoughts are, its a political tread, this should not be in the lounge.
Secondly, whatever I think doesn't matter, I didn't vote for her or her party, so my thoughts were not taken into consideration on poling day, do you think they will any influence on anything on this thread?
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My first though was this being a sex site it is a question on certain sexual behavior that is of a topical nature and nothing to do with my political views
Second thoughts are if you have nothing to say....sometimes it's better to say feck all  |
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I also wonder why women rightly or wrongly allow the odd grope because they want a job so much.
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Fear of not being believed, embarrassment, not having someone to complain to, been seen as a trouble maker?
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?"
They should be investigated and if claims are founded then suspended pending dismissal |
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"So Teresa May is struggling with the sexual claims being investigated against 36 of her MP's.
But she can't suspend or sack them...but if you worked in any other industry you would expect at least on of the above.
Your thoughts on this?"
Too political for me |
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It's too early to judge the claims so hard to comment.
However I think it's a very bad idea for anyone to have the power to sack elected officials - other than their constituents.
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"It's too early to judge the claims so hard to comment.
However I think it's a very bad idea for anyone to have the power to sack elected officials - other than their constituents.
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Do you not think as this is a complicated process...that they should at least have the whip withdrawn?
I think all parties should use this route when a case of inappropriate sexual is made until the case has been investigated.
This way it would send out a message that this kind of behaviour is just not on. |
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By *accaMan
over a year ago
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Love It how the tories just get bombarded with accusations such as this and fraudulent going on.. I've no doubt at all that this is just as likely to be happening across all parties.. And wouldn't at all surprise me if labour weren't behind the accusations with the perilous position the tories are in. |
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"Given the majority committed fraud and got away with it. I don’t really think anything will happen. I mean if I nicked from my employer I’d be in jail."
The system needs a bloody good shake up...whether it gets it is another thing.. |
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"Love It how the tories just get bombarded with accusations such as this and fraudulent going on.. I've no doubt at all that this is just as likely to be happening across all parties.. And wouldn't at all surprise me if labour weren't behind the accusations with the perilous position the tories are in. "
Yeah, because nobody ever throws accusations of, I dunno, anti-semitism, terrorism sympathy or warmongering at the Labour party. And nobody would ever hunt for mysoginist or homophobic comments one of their MPs made on social media twenty years ago. It's absolutely definitely only the conservatives who get mud slung at them.  |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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and ladies and gents the next casualty is.... your defence minister sir michael fallon!!!
He "claims" it was because of an incident 15 years ago where he "got a bit handsy" with journalist julia-hartley brewers knee...
she said she dealt with it at the time and is water under the bridge...
why am i not buying this is all he has done if this is the end result! |
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I wonder how many will be on the list (across all parties) for inappropriate sexual behavior...
Such as cottaging, swinging, extra marital shenanigans, using escorts etc etc...
I suspect that being a bit 'handsy' could be the tip of the iceberg. Not necessarily Fallon but others who's dirt has been brushed under the Westminster Axminster to ensure towing of the party line. |
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