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"They say you can go without air for 3 minutes..water 3 days..food 3 weeks. So how the feck do they expect people to live when they will get no money to feed themselves for 6 weeks
As always your thoughts."Im gald im of the benefit system, i got money took of me for turning up early for an appointment x | |||
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"They say you can go without air for 3 minutes..water 3 days..food 3 weeks. So how the feck do they expect people to live when they will get no money to feed themselves for 6 weeks
As always your thoughts.
Im gald im of the benefit system, i got money took of me for turning up early for an appointment x"That's absolutely ludicrous | |||
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"They say you can go without air for 3 minutes..water 3 days..food 3 weeks. So how the feck do they expect people to live when they will get no money to feed themselves for 6 weeks
As always your thoughts.
Im gald im of the benefit system, i got money took of me for turning up early for an appointment x"That is just ridiculous and shows how wrong this type of judgments are so wrong.  | |||
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"They say you can go without air for 3 minutes..water 3 days..food 3 weeks. So how the feck do they expect people to live when they will get no money to feed themselves for 6 weeks
As always your thoughts.
Im gald im of the benefit system, i got money took of me for turning up early for an appointment x
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"You can apply for an advanced payment until your first payment comes through I applied and got an advance of £400" But they have been very economical in getting that out there I believe. | |||
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"it's disgusting. So many people falling through the net. The amount of homeless has gone through the roof, in Central London it's really obvious how many people are sleeping rough compared to 10 years ago. But, the government made no secret of their plans, yet people still voted for them..selfish 'i'm alright Jack' attitude, which is ok until something goes wrong, illness, redundancy, and then it all falls apart." I'm with you all the way | |||
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"They expect you to cash in a few of your offshore accounts or oil shares " That's it though..as I'm lead to believe people who are on as little as £70 pw on sickness or jobseekers will have been expected to have put money aside for when this is implemented  | |||
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"The system is broken, the government say it's to help people into work yet there's no jobs and many of them are zero hours contracts. So making poor families poorer. X " The poorest always pay the most | |||
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"Need to read up on this, know nothing about it apart from it being the buzz words at the moment. Reading with interest. " | |||
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"Sounds awful but I had no idea what this was until they explained it on Radio1 today. I didn't know there was so many options for people to get money off the tax payer for free. I better join up, get all my hundreds of thousands of tax paid money back...." If only | |||
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"They expect you to manage on nothing, if they're feeling generous they may let you have a crisis loan." I agree it is pissing on the poorest in society yet again | |||
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"Sounds awful but I had no idea what this was until they explained it on Radio1 today. I didn't know there was so many options for people to get money off the tax payer for free. I better join up, get all my hundreds of thousands of tax paid money back...." You will end of killing or self harming yourself, iv had 4 zero hour jobs and they still wanted me to do 35hrs job search and go in weekly just for £50 a month x | |||
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"Sounds awful but I had no idea what this was until they explained it on Radio1 today. I didn't know there was so many options for people to get money off the tax payer for free. I better join up, get all my hundreds of thousands of tax paid money back...." Harsh!! We have a welfare system that needs proper management, let's see how it goes before all that feather and tarring stuff. It's not even been rolled out yet and won't be fully intergrated for some time, it's too early for all that. | |||
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"They expect you to cash in a few of your offshore accounts or oil shares That's it though..as I'm lead to believe people who are on as little as £70 pw on sickness or jobseekers will have been expected to have put money aside for when this is implemented "Yes they do, that's why they want to know about all your bank accounts, savings, if anybody owes you money, property here and abroad, how much is stuck in the sofa, any unspent round pounds you have. Just in case you have over £4000 earning interest any where you can support yourself on. If people had 4k spare they wouldn't need benefits to survive on. | |||
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"I've worked all my adult life since the age of 16 I only signed on when I was 24 and I got sanctioned for refusing an interview at a army recruitment building" What was the position for if you don't mind me asking as it almost reads like they sanctioned you for refusing to go into the army via an interview. | |||
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"Its disgusting Its wrong It makes me want to knock every member of staff at a job centre out " It's not their fault, they're just doing their job, they can only follow governments rules whether they agree with them or not. | |||
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"Its disgusting Its wrong It makes me want to knock every member of staff at a job centre out " it's not the fault of the job centre staff! it's the fault of everyone and anyone who voted for a government who spelt out very very clearly what their intentions were! | |||
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"Its disgusting Its wrong It makes me want to knock every member of staff at a job centre out It's not their fault, they're just doing their job, they can only follow governments rules whether they agree with them or not." And they get a reprimand/warning for not carrying out said instructions. Their written work is reviewed and if it's found their action was too lenient they have questions to answer. | |||
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"Its disgusting Its wrong It makes me want to knock every member of staff at a job centre out " My old coucil place boiler blew up 4 years ago and im to get rehoused i had no choice to move in with my parent x iv got a decent job now without help and i have a mortgage and im searching for a home to buy now x | |||
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"Its disgusting Its wrong It makes me want to knock every member of staff at a job centre out My old coucil place boiler blew up 4 years ago and im still waiting to get rehoused i had no choice to move in with my parent x iv got a decent job now without help and i have a mortgage and im searching for a home to buy now x " | |||
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"Sounds awful but I had no idea what this was until they explained it on Radio1 today. I didn't know there was so many options for people to get money off the tax payer for free. I better join up, get all my hundreds of thousands of tax paid money back.... You will end of killing or self harming yourself, iv had 4 zero hour jobs and they still wanted me to do 35hrs job search and go in weekly just for £50 a month x" It's leaving hundred of thousands if not millions in total despair. .I find it disgusting. | |||
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"Sounds awful but I had no idea what this was until they explained it on Radio1 today. I didn't know there was so many options for people to get money off the tax payer for free. I better join up, get all my hundreds of thousands of tax paid money back.... Harsh!! We have a welfare system that needs proper management, let's see how it goes before all that feather and tarring stuff. It's not even been rolled out yet and won't be fully intergrated for some time, it's too early for all that. " Tbh I hope it never gets rolled out ...not in the current format. | |||
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"They expect you to cash in a few of your offshore accounts or oil shares That's it though..as I'm lead to believe people who are on as little as £70 pw on sickness or jobseekers will have been expected to have put money aside for when this is implemented
Yes they do, that's why they want to know about all your bank accounts, savings, if anybody owes you money, property here and abroad, how much is stuck in the sofa, any unspent round pounds you have. Just in case you have over £4000 earning interest any where you can support yourself on.
If people had 4k spare they wouldn't need benefits to survive on."Don't say that...they'll cut it back to £500  | |||
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"As a outwardly confident guy who has struggled and battled with social anxiety and the depression that it can bring with it I have never trusted the dwp Especially after they tried to send one of my friends to a pip check a week before she passed to breast cancer Fuck DWP and fuck anybody who looks down on vulnerable people who turn to them for help during difficult times in life." | |||
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"I had to do jury service last yr n got all my benefits cut at the time even thou it was understood I got paid for it ... I had to do 3 months with no money no nothing if it wasn’t for my family I wud if never survived got a job in jan n not looked back since but the uk’s benefit system sucks!! They take more card of of druggies n alcoholics n as I now work for nhs I see this on a daily basis ... wrong just wrong! " It's wrong but turning against another section of society is not right either. | |||
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"A neighbour of mine has recently been diagnosed with a terminal illness, she gets £57 p/w to live on. I barely survive on £102 p/w" What? Surely she gets more then £57 a week....is that a top up? | |||
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"I've worked all my adult life since the age of 16 I only signed on when I was 24 and I got sanctioned for refusing an interview at a army recruitment building" Was it for the army...or had someone rented a office in there? | |||
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"Its disgusting Its wrong It makes me want to knock every member of staff at a job centre out " I agree with 2 out of 3...but could never agree on violence towards people doing there jobs. | |||
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"The system is broken, the government say it's to help people into work yet there's no jobs and many of them are zero hours contracts. So making poor families poorer. X " I think you'll get an argument with the anti-brexiteers because they reckon our economy is going to collapse if all the Europeans leave their jobs and go home. | |||
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"A neighbour of mine has recently been diagnosed with a terminal illness, she gets £57 p/w to live on. I barely survive on £102 p/w What? Surely she gets more then £57 a week....is that a top up?" 57pw plus housing and council tax benefit! | |||
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"They say you can go without air for 3 minutes..water 3 days..food 3 weeks. So how the feck do they expect people to live when they will get no money to feed themselves for 6 weeks
As always your thoughts."six weeks if you are lucky ! took nine weeks to get a pay out for ours and that was wrong being £99 short .leaving us with £700 of rent arrears etc having to live off food parcels was not our idea of fun plus having to sell off family heirlooms just to keep the heat and light going in a very cold february found the people on the help line to be the coldest most miserable obstructive and down right useless bunch of shysters it has been my misfortune to ever interact with paper work repeatedly lost phone calls not returned misinformation given if i acted like that with my current employer i would be sacked bunch of untouchable incompetents the lot of them | |||
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"They expect you to cash in a few of your offshore accounts or oil shares That's it though..as I'm lead to believe people who are on as little as £70 pw on sickness or jobseekers will have been expected to have put money aside for when this is implemented
Yes they do, that's why they want to know about all your bank accounts, savings, if anybody owes you money, property here and abroad, how much is stuck in the sofa, any unspent round pounds you have. Just in case you have over £4000 earning interest any where you can support yourself on.
If people had 4k spare they wouldn't need benefits to survive on.
Don't say that...they'll cut it back to £500"Makes no difference to me, at the end of each fortnight I'm lucky if I've got a spare fiver! | |||
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"The benefit system was supposed to support people " from cradle to grave" Its all gone very very badly wrong" Now it's designed to put them in an early grave
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"Sounds awful but I had no idea what this was until they explained it on Radio1 today. I didn't know there was so many options for people to get money off the tax payer for free. I better join up, get all my hundreds of thousands of tax paid money back...." Yeah cos we all go out of our way to avoid working so we can live in poverty! How the other half live... | |||
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"A friend of mine had to apply They said 6 weeks but they also let you get a kind of sub to cover some money till it's sorted. So I'm not sure how people are going without money when they are subbing familys till it's sorted." They take it out of the money you get paid so you have no cash to withdraw on payday x | |||
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"Sounds awful but I had no idea what this was until they explained it on Radio1 today. I didn't know there was so many options for people to get money off the tax payer for free. I better join up, get all my hundreds of thousands of tax paid money back...." You heard the expression " there but for the grace of God, go I?" | |||
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"They stopped my money because I couldn't attend an appointment as I was in hospital with my child they told me I should have gave them notice how I'm I supposed do do that when he had an accident at school" Thats a disgrace  | |||
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"A friend of mine had to apply They said 6 weeks but they also let you get a kind of sub to cover some money till it's sorted. So I'm not sure how people are going without money when they are subbing familys till it's sorted. They take it out of the money you get paid so you have no cash to withdraw on payday x " I just asked her and they take 11 quid a week. From 400 odd they subbed her. Seems some job centres aren't telling these families in need that help is actually out there to help. | |||
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"A friend of mine had to apply They said 6 weeks but they also let you get a kind of sub to cover some money till it's sorted. So I'm not sure how people are going without money when they are subbing familys till it's sorted. They take it out of the money you get paid so you have no cash to withdraw on payday x I just asked her and they take 11 quid a week. From 400 odd they subbed her. Seems some job centres aren't telling these families in need that help is actually out there to help. " They did it to me, i was badly hurt and needed to go in and out of hospital they moved me from income support to job seekers i had to wait 6 months for money x | |||
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally "Sorry kinky on this one I totally disagree. Yes compare to some countries our poor are a lot better off...and I think you will find them days of the newest game console have long gone..people are literally struggling with whether they can eat or put the heating on. Also these "hotels" you speak of...have you ever visited one? I have when someone is know was down on his luck...and nd it was a total shit hole. So much so that when a fellow "guest" used the toilet the shit came up in his hand basin. It's easy to listen how easy them lazy feckers have it...but I suggest you go out and see. | |||
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally "Ok! Poverty in the UK is nowhere near as bad as some countries, but surely there is a problem when you consider the general wealth of the UK. As for people living on the streets i.e. most having mental health problems, most of the people I know from my previous job, who live on the streets do not have mental health problems, but they do have problems adjusting to society. | |||
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"Info that may interest people The 6 week wait is MINIMUM and is due to policy not backlogs. Many people have been waiting 6 MONTHS plus. Any advance you receive is a loan - so you're effectively borrowing the money you're entitled to and it has to be paid back. In the meantime debts and interest on those debts is accruing as people can't pay their bills. Most of the grants and loans that used to be available have been cut or abolished altogether. Dwp staff have targets re sanctions to meet. As a direct result the following has happened: Increased evictions 80+ suicides a month (according to a recent investigation by Coroners society) Return of conditions directly linked to malnourishment - eg scurvy and rickets Food bank use - huge increase such that they're now having to ration Initially parents were going hungry to feed children, now it's at a point where they're struggling even to feed their children - and I'm talking basics not luxuries. Girls are missing school because families can't afford sanitary wear. No kinkyminx many homeless are not homeless just because they sadly have mh issues, many are there out of genuine poverty. And the homeless agencies and charities are at breaking point due to sheer numbers. " Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. This country is in one hell of a mess. And the domino effect will be catastrophic | |||
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"Sorry kinky on this one I totally disagree. Yes compare to some countries our poor are a lot better off...and I think you will find them days of the newest game console have long gone..people are literally struggling with whether they can eat or put the heating on. Also these "hotels" you speak of...have you ever visited one? I have when someone is know was down on his luck...and nd it was a total shit hole. So much so that when a fellow "guest" used the toilet the shit came up in his hand basin. It's easy to listen how easy them lazy feckers have it...but I suggest you go out and see. "What makes you think I haven't been out and seen? I accept we disagree but please don't assume my opinion comes from a place of ignorance and Daily Mail hysteria  | |||
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"I was working for one of the benefit agencies when UC was firat being put together. I read the initial government white paper and it was a really, really good plan. It was taking all the elements of the various benefits that UC was replacing and rolling them all in to one easily administered single benefit. I look at what's happening now and the UC model looks absolutely nothing like it was supposed to initially. Having said that however, is it any surprise that the two biggest "fuck-up" government departments involved, the DWP and HMRC, have managed to fuck this up too?? From personal experience I'm definitely not surprised! Such a shame as UC in principle is a fantastic idea......." I appreciate what you are saying, but I also recall a time around the 80's/90's where there was a government initiative to get rid of senior civil servants esp in HMRC and DWP, once this happens a vast amount of expertise is lost and leaves the option for private companies to step in offering wonderful services that often fail, but they still make money. | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. " I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. | |||
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally "I whole heartedly agree and I genuinely believe people have forgotten what the system was for...a safety net to help Not be a lifestyle choice. | |||
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"Info that may interest people The 6 week wait is MINIMUM and is due to policy not backlogs. Many people have been waiting 6 MONTHS plus. Any advance you receive is a loan - so you're effectively borrowing the money you're entitled to and it has to be paid back. In the meantime debts and interest on those debts is accruing as people can't pay their bills. Most of the grants and loans that used to be available have been cut or abolished altogether. Dwp staff have targets re sanctions to meet. As a direct result the following has happened: Increased evictions 80+ suicides a month (according to a recent investigation by Coroners society) Return of conditions directly linked to malnourishment - eg scurvy and rickets Food bank use - huge increase such that they're now having to ration Initially parents were going hungry to feed children, now it's at a point where they're struggling even to feed their children - and I'm talking basics not luxuries. Girls are missing school because families can't afford sanitary wear. No kinkyminx many homeless are not homeless just because they sadly have mh issues, many are there out of genuine poverty. And the homeless agencies and charities are at breaking point due to sheer numbers. Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. This country is in one hell of a mess. And the domino effect will be catastrophic" | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know." A tasty dose of racism too - lovely | |||
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"With brexit, it is the poor that will pay , as they try to take everything they got, hence why we see more food banks opening all the time." Can I refer you to my first post of this thread! | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely "If you wish to twist it that way. I was interested in debating, as this is a subject I actually now a lot about. But if it's going to get personal because I don't agree with everyone else then I guess I'll be trolled off the tread  | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely "The 'i dont know' quote is pure ignorance... just plucking things out the sky! | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
The 'i dont know' quote is pure ignorance... just plucking things out the sky! "Yep let's turn on me because I didn't follow the pack mentality and slag off the benefit  | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
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I was interested in debating, as this is a subject I actually now a lot about. But if it's going to get personal because I don't agree with everyone else then I guess I'll be trolled off the tread "Its obviously not something you know alot about??... youv just said they MAY even be illegal immigrants nowadays, i dont know... thats an outrageous comment from someone who 'actually knows alot ' | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
The 'i dont know' quote is pure ignorance... just plucking things out the sky!
Yep let's turn on me because I didn't follow the pack mentality and slag off the benefit "Not at all kinky, your comments are doing the job for people. Was that comment a educated one? | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know." I'm not sure we can say its a personal choice to be homeless, it may become a personal choice after years of having a 'crap' life. As for illegal immigrants, I never knew of any who were homeless up here, there were networks where you could fin a roof over your head, not always palatial comfort, but a roof and usually a very poorly paid job | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
The 'i dont know' quote is pure ignorance... just plucking things out the sky!
Yep let's turn on me because I didn't follow the pack mentality and slag off the benefit "Ignore the Guardian readers! The benefit system is broke because it is no longer used for what it was, and should be for...being a safety net and NOT a lifestyle choice. | |||
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"You can apply for an advanced payment until your first payment comes through I applied and got an advance of £400"
The system works if you use it right and put some effort in well done.About 2 years ago I lost my job and found the powers that be great if you make the effort and treat them nicely they are doing a job and are human | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
The 'i dont know' quote is pure ignorance... just plucking things out the sky!
Yep let's turn on me because I didn't follow the pack mentality and slag off the benefit
Ignore the Guardian readers!
The benefit system is broke because it is no longer used for what it was, and should be for...being a safety net and NOT a lifestyle choice." | |||
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"You can apply for an advanced payment until your first payment comes through I applied and got an advance of £400
The system works if you use it right and put some effort in well done.About 2 years ago I lost my job and found the powers that be great if you make the effort and treat them nicely they are doing a job and are human"Two years ago. Hmm I do love threads like this. So easy to identify my future husband and also those who I hope burn in hell. | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
The 'i dont know' quote is pure ignorance... just plucking things out the sky!
Yep let's turn on me because I didn't follow the pack mentality and slag off the benefit
Ignore the Guardian readers!
The benefit system is broke because it is no longer used for what it was, and should be for...being a safety net and NOT a lifestyle choice."irrelevant to whatever paper you read, it is not just a myth that homelessness for families has risen by nearly 20% in 5 years! It is not made up! it is fact! Maybe look at information from somewhere that deals with the homeless like Centrepoint! As i said earlier, anyone in London cant help but be very very aware of the huge increase in people sleeping rough! They are not bloody mirages! they're there in front of you! | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
The 'i dont know' quote is pure ignorance... just plucking things out the sky!
Yep let's turn on me because I didn't follow the pack mentality and slag off the benefit
Ignore the Guardian readers!
The benefit system is broke because it is no longer used for what it was, and should be for...being a safety net and NOT a lifestyle choice."Sadly it is the only life for some...the vulnerable sick being one of them. But I'm alright jacks often fail to see the injustice in the system when it's far easier to call the people using the system. So sorry doc I disagree with you. | |||
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"Try loosing EVERYTHING and having to start again" Some of us have. | |||
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"Sadly it is the only life for some...the vulnerable sick being one of them. But I'm alright jacks often fail to see the injustice in the system when it's far easier to call the people using the system. So sorry doc I disagree with you." Which part of the benefits and/or homeless systems have you worked in? | |||
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"Sadly it is the only life for some...the vulnerable sick being one of them. But I'm alright jacks often fail to see the injustice in the system when it's far easier to call the people using the system. So sorry doc I disagree with you. Which part of the benefits and/or homeless systems have you worked in?" Over the years in many but none I'd put on a open forum | |||
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"Sadly it is the only life for some...the vulnerable sick being one of them. But I'm alright jacks often fail to see the injustice in the system when it's far easier to call the people using the system. So sorry doc I disagree with you. Which part of the benefits and/or homeless systems have you worked in?" Iv lived it. I think im more qualified than youll ever be or think you are. | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
The 'i dont know' quote is pure ignorance... just plucking things out the sky!
Yep let's turn on me because I didn't follow the pack mentality and slag off the benefit
Ignore the Guardian readers!
The benefit system is broke because it is no longer used for what it was, and should be for...being a safety net and NOT a lifestyle choice.
Sadly it is the only life for some...the vulnerable sick being one of them.
But I'm alright jacks often fail to see the injustice in the system when it's far easier to call the people using the system.
So sorry doc I disagree with you."Disagreeing is good and I welcome it, denigration for doing so on the other hand isn't, I hope you agree? | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
The 'i dont know' quote is pure ignorance... just plucking things out the sky!
Yep let's turn on me because I didn't follow the pack mentality and slag off the benefit
Ignore the Guardian readers!
The benefit system is broke because it is no longer used for what it was, and should be for...being a safety net and NOT a lifestyle choice.
Sadly it is the only life for some...the vulnerable sick being one of them.
But I'm alright jacks often fail to see the injustice in the system when it's far easier to call the people using the system.
So sorry doc I disagree with you."Indeed. It is easy to sit in judgement, from your comfy armchair. With Hendricks and Fevertree in hand | |||
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"The system is broken, the government say it's to help people into work yet there's no jobs and many of them are zero hours contracts. So making poor families poorer. X The poorest always pay the most "This is sadly true | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
The 'i dont know' quote is pure ignorance... just plucking things out the sky!
Yep let's turn on me because I didn't follow the pack mentality and slag off the benefit
Ignore the Guardian readers!
The benefit system is broke because it is no longer used for what it was, and should be for...being a safety net and NOT a lifestyle choice.
Sadly it is the only life for some...the vulnerable sick being one of them.
But I'm alright jacks often fail to see the injustice in the system when it's far easier to call the people using the system.
So sorry doc I disagree with you.
Disagreeing is good and I welcome it, denigration for doing so on the other hand isn't, I hope you agree? "I would never try to belittle you doc...it's just your view on the benefits system is wrong in my view | |||
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"Sadly it is the only life for some...the vulnerable sick being one of them. But I'm alright jacks often fail to see the injustice in the system when it's far easier to call the people using the system. So sorry doc I disagree with you. Which part of the benefits and/or homeless systems have you worked in? Iv lived it. I think im more qualified than youll ever be or think you are." I worked in addictions for 18yrs so homelessness was a regular issue and witnessed some horror stories and as for hostel life, I would wish it on no-one.....but now and again, maybe you saw the same now and then, a moment of real beauty or kindness that made you feel so humble | |||
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"A neighbour of mine has recently been diagnosed with a terminal illness, she gets £57 p/w to live on. I barely survive on £102 p/w What? Surely she gets more then £57 a week....is that a top up?" My sister in law has terminal cancer and she gets a lot more than that. It's worth doing a bit of research on the DWP website to find out what one is entitled to. Unfortunately, they don't tell you, you have to ask. Disgraceful! | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely "What a stupid thing to say calling her racist just because she mentioned immigrants. | |||
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"... With Hendricks and Fevertree in hand I had to Google what that was! Asda brand dandelion & Burdock is as much of a guilty pleasure as I can afford to buy "Now you can bugger off as I've seen you say you only buy that expensive Ben shaws. ..scatter cash | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
What a stupid thing to say calling her racist just because she mentioned immigrants. "I doubt she is a racist but do you think it was a educated or fair comment? | |||
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"... With Hendricks and Fevertree in hand I had to Google what that was! Asda brand dandelion & Burdock is as much of a guilty pleasure as I can afford to buy "Watch yourself. There'll be people gettin' arsey with you for having the audacity to spend tax payers money on fizzy drinks After all, they arent a necessity are they? You could be spending that money on a hair shirt and a flogger ( see what I did there?) Fuck, I'm hilarious | |||
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"... With Hendricks and Fevertree in hand I had to Google what that was! Asda brand dandelion & Burdock is as much of a guilty pleasure as I can afford to buy
Watch yourself. There'll be people gettin' arsey with you for having the audacity to spend tax payers money on fizzy drinks
After all, they arent a necessity are they?
You could be spending that money on a hair shirt and a flogger
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"Sounds awful but I had no idea what this was until they explained it on Radio1 today. I didn't know there was so many options for people to get money off the tax payer for free. I better join up, get all my hundreds of thousands of tax paid money back...." You obviously don't need Universal Credit. | |||
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"I don't know very much about the benefit system. But I don't understand why anyone thinks they are entitled to benefits. Surely it's a privilege we have in this country that should be temporary for the people that most need it. I work a job that I hate, live in a terrible housing situation because I'm single and can't afford to privately rent anything decent - and I'm thousands of pounds in debt - and live off of credit to have a decent standard of life. I don't feel I'm owed anything and didn't bring children into my circumstance or ask anyone for anything. I cry a lot because I feel trapped. Surely if I "played the system" I could get benefits for that! There are jobs - the company I work for are advertising for people on a much higher wage than minimum - yet people wont do it. And they need native English speakers. Go figure! I'm bored of hearing that "it's disgusting" about people not being given hand outs. Get a job everyone can do something! " Do you get working tax credits or child tax credits? | |||
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"I don't know very much about the benefit system. But I don't understand why anyone thinks they are entitled to benefits. Surely it's a privilege we have in this country that should be temporary for the people that most need it. I work a job that I hate, live in a terrible housing situation because I'm single and can't afford to privately rent anything decent - and I'm thousands of pounds in debt - and live off of credit to have a decent standard of life. I don't feel I'm owed anything and didn't bring children into my circumstance or ask anyone for anything. I cry a lot because I feel trapped. Surely if I "played the system" I could get benefits for that! There are jobs - the company I work for are advertising for people on a much higher wage than minimum - yet people wont do it. And they need native English speakers. Go figure! I'm bored of hearing that "it's disgusting" about people not being given hand outs. Get a job everyone can do something! Do you get working tax credits or child tax credits?" Drum roll..... | |||
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally "Good god! This is truly out of touch with the reality of people I work to support and the actuality of what is happening with the current today's benefit support system. It *is* poverty. It scares me that this might be what people think is happening and that people are just having a moan. You'd be appalled if you were exposed to the reality. | |||
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally
Good god! This is truly out of touch with the reality of people I work to support and the actuality of what is happening with the current today's benefit support system. It *is* poverty. It scares me that this might be what people think is happening and that people are just having a moan. You'd be appalled if you were exposed to the reality. "Thank you xxxx | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
What a stupid thing to say calling her racist just because she mentioned immigrants.
I doubt she is a racist but do you think it was a educated or fair comment?
"I do not believe it was a fair comment....educated? That I cannot comment on, our comments (and I have been guilty on many an occasion) depends on the knowledge we have on any particular subject... I remember reading The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist many years back and always thought the authors philosophy was the best way to address benefits | |||
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"I don't know very much about the benefit system. But I don't understand why anyone thinks they are entitled to benefits. Surely it's a privilege we have in this country that should be temporary for the people that most need it. I work a job that I hate, live in a terrible housing situation because I'm single and can't afford to privately rent anything decent - and I'm thousands of pounds in debt - and live off of credit to have a decent standard of life. I don't feel I'm owed anything and didn't bring children into my circumstance or ask anyone for anything. I cry a lot because I feel trapped. Surely if I "played the system" I could get benefits for that! There are jobs - the company I work for are advertising for people on a much higher wage than minimum - yet people wont do it. And they need native English speakers. Go figure! I'm bored of hearing that "it's disgusting" about people not being given hand outs. Get a job everyone can do something! Do you get working tax credits or child tax credits?" Don't forget child benefit, but that gets spent on the kids of course | |||
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally
Ok! Poverty in the UK is nowhere near as bad as some countries, but surely there is a problem when you consider the general wealth of the UK.
As for people living on the streets i.e. most having mental health problems, most of the people I know from my previous job, who live on the streets do not have mental health problems, but they do have problems adjusting to society."I work with the homeless and know many, many people without mental health conditions sleeping rough. And have you spoken to the pressure and the shut down of local authority and government support to the charities trying to support -- endless charities? It shouldn't be down to charities to fill a gap in government provision. Right to a home is a human right. And temporary accommodation is hideous, and comes with a whole host of other hurdles to deal with. It's not about skewing figures. Blimey. | |||
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"Yup Kinkyminx, I'm afraid you are wrong. I don't think I am, I think I have a different opinion from a different viewpoint. Obviously I don't know every homeless person's story but it is often a personal choice. They may even be illegal immigrants nowadays, I don't know. A tasty dose of racism too - lovely
The 'i dont know' quote is pure ignorance... just plucking things out the sky!
Yep let's turn on me because I didn't follow the pack mentality and slag off the benefit
Ignore the Guardian readers!
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally
Good god! This is truly out of touch with the reality of people I work to support and the actuality of what is happening with the current today's benefit support system. It *is* poverty. It scares me that this might be what people think is happening and that people are just having a moan. You'd be appalled if you were exposed to the reality. "I want to be level handed about this, but.......not individual cases but is it right that being judged to be in "poverty" is part linked to what other people have or do, as I believe is the case? | |||
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally
Ok! Poverty in the UK is nowhere near as bad as some countries, but surely there is a problem when you consider the general wealth of the UK.
As for people living on the streets i.e. most having mental health problems, most of the people I know from my previous job, who live on the streets do not have mental health problems, but they do have problems adjusting to society.
I work with the homeless and know many, many people without mental health conditions sleeping rough. And have you spoken to the pressure and the shut down of local authority and government support to the charities trying to support -- endless charities? It shouldn't be down to charities to fill a gap in government provision. Right to a home is a human right. And temporary accommodation is hideous, and comes with a whole host of other hurdles to deal with. It's not about skewing figures. Blimey. "Woah! I have stated throughout my comments on this thread that I support those in need...I strongly believe in Maslows 'Heirarchy of Needs.' I strongly suggest you re-read the thread | |||
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally
Good god! This is truly out of touch with the reality of people I work to support and the actuality of what is happening with the current today's benefit support system. It *is* poverty. It scares me that this might be what people think is happening and that people are just having a moan. You'd be appalled if you were exposed to the reality.
I want to be level handed about this, but.......not individual cases but is it right that being judged to be in "poverty" is part linked to what other people have or do, as I believe is the case?"Explain further? What are you trying to say, it's not clear to me what you mean and I don't want to guess. | |||
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally
Ok! Poverty in the UK is nowhere near as bad as some countries, but surely there is a problem when you consider the general wealth of the UK.
As for people living on the streets i.e. most having mental health problems, most of the people I know from my previous job, who live on the streets do not have mental health problems, but they do have problems adjusting to society.
I work with the homeless and know many, many people without mental health conditions sleeping rough. And have you spoken to the pressure and the shut down of local authority and government support to the charities trying to support -- endless charities? It shouldn't be down to charities to fill a gap in government provision. Right to a home is a human right. And temporary accommodation is hideous, and comes with a whole host of other hurdles to deal with. It's not about skewing figures. Blimey.
Woah! I have stated throughout my comments on this thread that I support those in need...I strongly believe in Maslows 'Heirarchy of Needs.' I strongly suggest you re-read the thread"No, you misunderstand -- it was a follow-on comment to Kinky. I was affirming your point. | |||
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"I don't know very much about the benefit system. But I don't understand why anyone thinks they are entitled to benefits. Surely it's a privilege we have in this country that should be temporary for the people that most need it. I work a job that I hate, live in a terrible housing situation because I'm single and can't afford to privately rent anything decent - and I'm thousands of pounds in debt - and live off of credit to have a decent standard of life. I don't feel I'm owed anything and didn't bring children into my circumstance or ask anyone for anything. I cry a lot because I feel trapped. Surely if I "played the system" I could get benefits for that! There are jobs - the company I work for are advertising for people on a much higher wage than minimum - yet people wont do it. And they need native English speakers. Go figure! I'm bored of hearing that "it's disgusting" about people not being given hand outs. Get a job everyone can do something! Do you get working tax credits or child tax credits?" No I don't get any benifits. I don't have children and I work full time. I live on credit. | |||
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally
Good god! This is truly out of touch with the reality of people I work to support and the actuality of what is happening with the current today's benefit support system. It *is* poverty. It scares me that this might be what people think is happening and that people are just having a moan. You'd be appalled if you were exposed to the reality.
I want to be level handed about this, but.......not individual cases but is it right that being judged to be in "poverty" is part linked to what other people have or do, as I believe is the case?
Explain further? What are you trying to say, it's not clear to me what you mean and I don't want to guess."I watched a BBC news article about poverty and recession recovery and an expert said ironically levels of child poverty will go up as people become more affluent because "poverty" is based upon you not having a certain percentage of what affluent people have and they did say such things as foreign holidays and electronic games and the like. (I like to think of you that way as well! ) | |||
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"Expecting people to go for a standard 6 week period to receive money, when rent etc is due monthly in advance, shows the quality standard of thinking - or lack thereof, of this government. At this level alone it shows gross financial incompetence of the conservatives but emphasizes their crass lack of empathy towards people who will be expected to invest money into job seeking, family care and the high costs of living today. Thank goodness that Labor have had their proposition to pause this unethical rollout to others " Actually, think it was a New Labour idea initially but they were scared to implement it, not didn't want to though! | |||
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"Expecting people to go for a standard 6 week period to receive money, when rent etc is due monthly in advance, shows the quality standard of thinking - or lack thereof, of this government. At this level alone it shows gross financial incompetence of the conservatives but emphasizes their crass lack of empathy towards people who will be expected to invest money into job seeking, family care and the high costs of living today. Thank goodness that Labor have had their proposition to pause this unethical rollout to others "
Yes. However I can't help but feel a little that people may FINALLY get it when it starts to affect them/their loved ones.
At the moment it's being phased in relatively slowly and only in certain areas.
When those who consider themselves to be working full time but are working less than 35-40 hours a week on nmw currently receiving tax credits (inc childcare element) are placed on UC when full rollout comes in are then told that
unless they can PROVE via the regulated means (which often fail) that they are looking for MORE hours and HIGHER pay despite there being few jobs available
when they're told that the childcare element will no longer cover the commute from dropping off at childcare and collecting, but that they must look for work within up to a 90 min commute each way from their home address regardless of which direction childcare is in
That who they can use for childcare is now more limited
That they must apply for jobs that bear no relation to their qualifications or experience (God forbid preferences)
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"Kinky / Doc. I consider you both friends on fab. K we've even met and I have a lot of respect for you. I'm sorry if my comments offend here but this topic and in particular the connection with homelessness, mental health etc is my absolute passion and I will become emotive about it as I can name and tell you the story of 18+years worth of people I have worked with mostly in London (and I appreciate there are differences across the UK -- however I work across the entire UK in terms of collated research, evaluation, policy and campaigning) so comments here conjure up actual people for me -- not figures or assumptions -- and thus it angers me when I read things that contrast so starkly with what I come up against daily, and in my opinion perpetrate the conditions that serve to stigmatise further the people I know who are desperately trying to move forward against bureaucratic hurdles, inhumane policies and general contempt for them. It angers me. " Well said and I am in agreement with the injustice that is going on...and I find it hard to understand how some can say poverty does not exist here. | |||
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"I agree that the benefits system is severely broken. But I also believe we don't know true poverty in the country. Not being able to buy Play Stations, booze, fancy cars, have holidays etc. is not poverty. I was having a discussion some years ago about this and the woman I was talking to said she knew someone "so poor they couldn't buy their kid a 50p chocolate bar". Since when is chocolate a necessity?? Yes there are people who sleep on the streets but, sadly, most of them have some form of mental health issues. There are accommodation agencies galore that look after the 'homeless. And 'homeless' for statistics means people living in temporary accommodation such as hotels. A lot of them have shelter, heating, fresh water and food. I fail to see how living frugally because you aren't working and contributing is appalling. True poverty is something else totally
Good god! This is truly out of touch with the reality of people I work to support and the actuality of what is happening with the current today's benefit support system. It *is* poverty. It scares me that this might be what people think is happening and that people are just having a moan. You'd be appalled if you were exposed to the reality.
I want to be level handed about this, but.......not individual cases but is it right that being judged to be in "poverty" is part linked to what other people have or do, as I believe is the case?
Explain further? What are you trying to say, it's not clear to me what you mean and I don't want to guess.
I watched a BBC news article about poverty and recession recovery and an expert said ironically levels of child poverty will go up as people become more affluent because "poverty" is based upon you not having a certain percentage of what affluent people have and they did say such things as foreign holidays and electronic games and the like. (I like to think of you that way as well! )"But what are you saying, that those in poverty are just having a moan that they don't have a foreign holiday? | |||
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"Expecting people to go for a standard 6 week period to receive money, when rent etc is due monthly in advance, shows the quality standard of thinking - or lack thereof, of this government. At this level alone it shows gross financial incompetence of the conservatives but emphasizes their crass lack of empathy towards people who will be expected to invest money into job seeking, family care and the high costs of living today. Thank goodness that Labor have had their proposition to pause this unethical rollout to others Actually, think it was a New Labour idea initially but they were scared to implement it, not didn't want to though!" And thank good new labour is dead and buried | |||
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"maybe it's people who don't live in cities that live in these bubbles or something, but i find it gobsmacking. There's plenty of rural poverty but maybe is less visible or something...Are people really that blind they don't see others struggling?...as well as downright immoral!" Sometimes I think it is a huge amount of denial as grappling with the reality is too overwhelming. | |||
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"Kinky / Doc. I consider you both friends on fab. K we've even met and I have a lot of respect for you. I'm sorry if my comments offend here but this topic and in particular the connection with homelessness, mental health etc is my absolute passion and I will become emotive about it as I can name and tell you the story of 18+years worth of people I have worked with mostly in London (and I appreciate there are differences across the UK -- however I work across the entire UK in terms of collated research, evaluation, policy and campaigning) so comments here conjure up actual people for me -- not figures or assumptions -- and thus it angers me when I read things that contrast so starkly with what I come up against daily, and in my opinion perpetrate the conditions that serve to stigmatise further the people I know who are desperately trying to move forward against bureaucratic hurdles, inhumane policies and general contempt for them. It angers me. Well said and I am in agreement with the injustice that is going on...and I find it hard to understand how some can say poverty does not exist here. "I've never said poverty doesn't exist, but I just don't think we should too left wing about it and admit far too many abuse the system which drains resources for the deserved, that's all. If I may...."From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" | |||
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"maybe it's people who don't live in cities that live in these bubbles or something, but i find it gobsmacking. There's plenty of rural poverty but maybe is less visible or something...Are people really that blind they don't see others struggling?...as well as downright immoral! Sometimes I think it is a huge amount of denial as grappling with the reality is too overwhelming. " i agree, it's a lot easier to pretend it's just not happening than to confront the idea that the reality might actually affect you personally one day. Far safer in a nice warm bubble of elective ignorance. | |||
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"Kinky / Doc. I consider you both friends on fab. K we've even met and I have a lot of respect for you. I'm sorry if my comments offend here but this topic and in particular the connection with homelessness, mental health etc is my absolute passion and I will become emotive about it as I can name and tell you the story of 18+years worth of people I have worked with mostly in London (and I appreciate there are differences across the UK -- however I work across the entire UK in terms of collated research, evaluation, policy and campaigning) so comments here conjure up actual people for me -- not figures or assumptions -- and thus it angers me when I read things that contrast so starkly with what I come up against daily, and in my opinion perpetrate the conditions that serve to stigmatise further the people I know who are desperately trying to move forward against bureaucratic hurdles, inhumane policies and general contempt for them. It angers me. Well said and I am in agreement with the injustice that is going on...and I find it hard to understand how some can say poverty does not exist here.
I've never said poverty doesn't exist, but I just don't think we should too left wing about it and admit far too many abuse the system which drains resources for the deserved, that's all.
If I may...."From each according to his ability, to each according to his need""Far too many abuse it? Show me the evidence please. | |||
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"maybe it's people who don't live in cities that live in these bubbles or something, but i find it gobsmacking. There's plenty of rural poverty but maybe is less visible or something...Are people really that blind they don't see others struggling?...as well as downright immoral!" I must admit I struggle to understand this too. | |||
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"Kinky / Doc. I consider you both friends on fab. K we've even met and I have a lot of respect for you. I'm sorry if my comments offend here but this topic and in particular the connection with homelessness, mental health etc is my absolute passion and I will become emotive about it as I can name and tell you the story of 18+years worth of people I have worked with mostly in London (and I appreciate there are differences across the UK -- however I work across the entire UK in terms of collated research, evaluation, policy and campaigning) so comments here conjure up actual people for me -- not figures or assumptions -- and thus it angers me when I read things that contrast so starkly with what I come up against daily, and in my opinion perpetrate the conditions that serve to stigmatise further the people I know who are desperately trying to move forward against bureaucratic hurdles, inhumane policies and general contempt for them. It angers me. Well said and I am in agreement with the injustice that is going on...and I find it hard to understand how some can say poverty does not exist here.
I've never said poverty doesn't exist, but I just don't think we should too left wing about it and admit far too many abuse the system which drains resources for the deserved, that's all.
If I may...."From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
Far too many abuse it? Show me the evidence please. "Yes I'd like to see any evidence for that too... Given that even govt stats show there are far more people don't pay their taxes (and I'm only talking individuals not international conglomerates) than perpetrate benefit fraud and that's even when you take into account that govt (of any colour) classify overpayments where dwp/hmrc have made the mistake as fraudulent too. Benefit fraud is actually extremely rare. | |||
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"Kinky / Doc. I consider you both friends on fab. K we've even met and I have a lot of respect for you. I'm sorry if my comments offend here but this topic and in particular the connection with homelessness, mental health etc is my absolute passion and I will become emotive about it as I can name and tell you the story of 18+years worth of people I have worked with mostly in London (and I appreciate there are differences across the UK -- however I work across the entire UK in terms of collated research, evaluation, policy and campaigning) so comments here conjure up actual people for me -- not figures or assumptions -- and thus it angers me when I read things that contrast so starkly with what I come up against daily, and in my opinion perpetrate the conditions that serve to stigmatise further the people I know who are desperately trying to move forward against bureaucratic hurdles, inhumane policies and general contempt for them. It angers me. Well said and I am in agreement with the injustice that is going on...and I find it hard to understand how some can say poverty does not exist here.
I've never said poverty doesn't exist, but I just don't think we should too left wing about it and admit far too many abuse the system which drains resources for the deserved, that's all.
If I may...."From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
Far too many abuse it? Show me the evidence please. "We live in different parts of the country but I could take you to people I know who have told me they won't look for work because the "life" they have on the "dole" is very good for them. Unfortunately, and no pun or sarcastic comment meant, it's sleep time as I'm up early for work tomorrow. | |||
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"Kinky / Doc. I consider you both friends on fab. K we've even met and I have a lot of respect for you. I'm sorry if my comments offend here but this topic and in particular the connection with homelessness, mental health etc is my absolute passion and I will become emotive about it as I can name and tell you the story of 18+years worth of people I have worked with mostly in London (and I appreciate there are differences across the UK -- however I work across the entire UK in terms of collated research, evaluation, policy and campaigning) so comments here conjure up actual people for me -- not figures or assumptions -- and thus it angers me when I read things that contrast so starkly with what I come up against daily, and in my opinion perpetrate the conditions that serve to stigmatise further the people I know who are desperately trying to move forward against bureaucratic hurdles, inhumane policies and general contempt for them. It angers me. Well said and I am in agreement with the injustice that is going on...and I find it hard to understand how some can say poverty does not exist here.
I've never said poverty doesn't exist, but I just don't think we should too left wing about it and admit far too many abuse the system which drains resources for the deserved, that's all.
If I may...."From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
Far too many abuse it? Show me the evidence please.
We live in different parts of the country but I could take you to people I know who have told me they won't look for work because the "life" they have on the "dole" is very good for them.
Unfortunately, and no pun or sarcastic comment meant, it's sleep time as I'm up early for work tomorrow. "How many people do you know in that situation? I'm sure it speaks for the entirety of your area (if not the whole country) and thus is a brilliant perspective to pin your whole opinion on. Gosh, I'm in awe of your expertise. | |||
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"Kinky / Doc. I consider you both friends on fab. K we've even met and I have a lot of respect for you. I'm sorry if my comments offend here but this topic and in particular the connection with homelessness, mental health etc is my absolute passion and I will become emotive about it as I can name and tell you the story of 18+years worth of people I have worked with mostly in London (and I appreciate there are differences across the UK -- however I work across the entire UK in terms of collated research, evaluation, policy and campaigning) so comments here conjure up actual people for me -- not figures or assumptions -- and thus it angers me when I read things that contrast so starkly with what I come up against daily, and in my opinion perpetrate the conditions that serve to stigmatise further the people I know who are desperately trying to move forward against bureaucratic hurdles, inhumane policies and general contempt for them. It angers me. Well said and I am in agreement with the injustice that is going on...and I find it hard to understand how some can say poverty does not exist here.
I've never said poverty doesn't exist, but I just don't think we should too left wing about it and admit far too many abuse the system which drains resources for the deserved, that's all.
If I may...."From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"
Far too many abuse it? Show me the evidence please.
We live in different parts of the country but I could take you to people I know who have told me they won't look for work because the "life" they have on the "dole" is very good for them.
Unfortunately, and no pun or sarcastic comment meant, it's sleep time as I'm up early for work tomorrow.
How many people do you know in that situation? I'm sure it speaks for the entirety of your area (if not the whole country) and thus is a brilliant perspective to pin your whole opinion on. Gosh, I'm in awe of your expertise. "Also I may live in a different area, butas already mentioned work pan-UK specialising in this topic. What's your job, Doc? | |||
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"Nice to see a pleasant middle ground has been found. Oh no sorry, forgot slag off everyone with differing opinions. Forgot I was on the Internet in 2017." Yeah, that's a point maybe. There's also a point that to tolerate intolerance is actually accepting and allowing it. Anyway, what's your opinion or are you just the etiquette police? | |||
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"Nice to see a pleasant middle ground has been found. Oh no sorry, forgot slag off everyone with differing opinions. Forgot I was on the Internet in 2017." At least you didn't get ignored | |||
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"Nice to see a pleasant middle ground has been found. Oh no sorry, forgot slag off everyone with differing opinions. Forgot I was on the Internet in 2017. At least you didn't get ignored "As with many things as complex and massive as this, it's more 50 shades of grey rather than the most evil thing or best thing ever. | |||
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"Nice to see a pleasant middle ground has been found. Oh no sorry, forgot slag off everyone with differing opinions. Forgot I was on the Internet in 2017. At least you didn't get ignored
As with many things as complex and massive as this, it's more 50 shades of grey rather than the most evil thing or best thing ever.
"Oh I was thinking more on the lines of someone walking into a established thread then having the audacity to try and take over whist totally ignoring the op....I find it bad form and if I disliked the op so much I would have avoided the thread. | |||
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"Nice to see a pleasant middle ground has been found. Oh no sorry, forgot slag off everyone with differing opinions. Forgot I was on the Internet in 2017. At least you didn't get ignored
As with many things as complex and massive as this, it's more 50 shades of grey rather than the most evil thing or best thing ever.
Oh I was thinking more on the lines of someone walking into a established thread then having the audacity to try and take over whist totally ignoring the op....I find it bad form and if I disliked the op so much I would have avoided the thread."This is a personal dig at me because you've imagined that I'm ignoring you or have an issue with Mistress. You're absolutely incorrect. I'm sorry to hear you've jumped to a wildly wrong conclusion. Oh dear. | |||
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"They say you can go without air for 3 minutes..water 3 days..food 3 weeks. So how the feck do they expect people to live when they will get no money to feed themselves for 6 weeks
As always your thoughts."I popped my thoughts down further up, but failed to acknowledge you as per your required preference for deference. My bad. | |||
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"So many issues with UC, particularly during those early few weeks. I think it should be fortnightly pay by default and landlords should get their money.." Agreed as it will only condemn more to become homeless....they may then start building shanty towns on the moors | |||
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"So many issues with UC, particularly during those early few weeks. I think it should be fortnightly pay by default and landlords should get their money.. Agreed as it will only condemn more to become homeless....they may then start building shanty towns on the moors "I think they made it this way anticipating final earnings from previous jobs but the system is too rigid, it doesn't take into account agency workers or those working who are paid at irregular times. The system undoubtedly needed looking at and clumping all payments together makes sense, but I think the government was also looking at potential savings needed on staffing costs. The different legacy benefits all have so many staff numbers. If you combine this then theoretically the system runs with less people - typical conservative trick to cut costs.. | |||
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"Nice to see a pleasant middle ground has been found. Oh no sorry, forgot slag off everyone with differing opinions. Forgot I was on the Internet in 2017. At least you didn't get ignored
As with many things as complex and massive as this, it's more 50 shades of grey rather than the most evil thing or best thing ever.
Oh I was thinking more on the lines of someone walking into a established thread then having the audacity to try and take over whist totally ignoring the op....I find it bad form and if I disliked the op so much I would have avoided the thread."Answering an OP posts is not compulsory in a thread, in fact if people don't like each other they are advised to ignore each other. Anyone can answer anyone else on the thread though | |||
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"Kinky / Doc. I consider you both friends on fab. K we've even met and I have a lot of respect for you. I'm sorry if my comments offend here but this topic and in particular the connection with homelessness, mental health etc is my absolute passion and I will become emotive about it as I can name and tell you the story of 18+years worth of people I have worked with mostly in London (and I appreciate there are differences across the UK -- however I work across the entire UK in terms of collated research, evaluation, policy and campaigning) so comments here conjure up actual people for me -- not figures or assumptions -- and thus it angers me when I read things that contrast so starkly with what I come up against daily, and in my opinion perpetrate the conditions that serve to stigmatise further the people I know who are desperately trying to move forward against bureaucratic hurdles, inhumane policies and general contempt for them. It angers me. Well said and I am in agreement with the injustice that is going on...and I find it hard to understand how some can say poverty does not exist here.
I've never said poverty doesn't exist, but I just don't think we should too left wing about it and admit far too many abuse the system which drains resources for the deserved, that's all.
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"My neighbour has cervical cancer , no kneecap, a blood disease called ITP, is registered disabled for life . She told me that in the last two years she has lost her motability car , had all of her tax credits stopped and now lives on £73 a week and somehow has to pay full rent . It's a disgrace and I feel so bad for her . Gov told her she has to work "Well I hope she is taking this to a tribunal as I'm certain this would not stand up in court. But it's a terrible shame on the system that puts people through this indignity. | |||
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"My neighbour has cervical cancer , no kneecap, a blood disease called ITP, is registered disabled for life . She told me that in the last two years she has lost her motability car , had all of her tax credits stopped and now lives on £73 a week and somehow has to pay full rent . It's a disgrace and I feel so bad for her . Gov told her she has to work
Well I hope she is taking this to a tribunal as I'm certain this would not stand up in court.
But it's a terrible shame on the system that puts people through this indignity."I don't know if she has but she wouldn't get anywhere . She cant afford a solicitor and the system always wins . Unless you are already rich you're fucked in this country | |||
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"My neighbour has cervical cancer , no kneecap, a blood disease called ITP, is registered disabled for life . She told me that in the last two years she has lost her motability car , had all of her tax credits stopped and now lives on £73 a week and somehow has to pay full rent . It's a disgrace and I feel so bad for her . Gov told her she has to work
Well I hope she is taking this to a tribunal as I'm certain this would not stand up in court.
But it's a terrible shame on the system that puts people through this indignity. I don't know if she has but she wouldn't get anywhere . She cant afford a solicitor and the system always wins . Unless you are already rich you're fucked in this country "She needs to go to the likes of CAB mate. A tribunal does not cost and it is her right to do so...CAB will help her with all the forms and guide her through the process..please encourage her to do so | |||
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"My neighbour has cervical cancer , no kneecap, a blood disease called ITP, is registered disabled for life . She told me that in the last two years she has lost her motability car , had all of her tax credits stopped and now lives on £73 a week and somehow has to pay full rent . It's a disgrace and I feel so bad for her . Gov told her she has to work
Well I hope she is taking this to a tribunal as I'm certain this would not stand up in court.
But it's a terrible shame on the system that puts people through this indignity. I don't know if she has but she wouldn't get anywhere . She cant afford a solicitor and the system always wins . Unless you are already rich you're fucked in this country
She needs to go to the likes of CAB mate.
A tribunal does not cost and it is her right to do so...CAB will help her with all the forms and guide her through the process..please encourage her to do so "I promise I will tell her this as I didn't know that myself . I'm sure as it's government cutbacks she won't get anywhere but I will try . Thanks | |||
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"My neighbour has cervical cancer , no kneecap, a blood disease called ITP, is registered disabled for life . She told me that in the last two years she has lost her motability car , had all of her tax credits stopped and now lives on £73 a week and somehow has to pay full rent . It's a disgrace and I feel so bad for her . Gov told her she has to work
Well I hope she is taking this to a tribunal as I'm certain this would not stand up in court.
But it's a terrible shame on the system that puts people through this indignity. I don't know if she has but she wouldn't get anywhere . She cant afford a solicitor and the system always wins . Unless you are already rich you're fucked in this country
She needs to go to the likes of CAB mate.
A tribunal does not cost and it is her right to do so...CAB will help her with all the forms and guide her through the process..please encourage her to do so I promise I will tell her this as I didn't know that myself . I'm sure as it's government cutbacks she won't get anywhere but I will try . Thanks "Please do tell her, I had to go to tribunal for my youngest son, he was given no points originally and I had help and won. Over 65% of decisions are overturned at tribunal. And in her circumstances she definitely is entitled to pip and esa in the support group. There are lots of voluntary agencies that can give support in form filling and also help her with any other help. And Macmillan also offer that help as well. X | |||
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"My neighbour has cervical cancer , no kneecap, a blood disease called ITP, is registered disabled for life . She told me that in the last two years she has lost her motability car , had all of her tax credits stopped and now lives on £73 a week and somehow has to pay full rent . It's a disgrace and I feel so bad for her . Gov told her she has to work
Well I hope she is taking this to a tribunal as I'm certain this would not stand up in court.
But it's a terrible shame on the system that puts people through this indignity. I don't know if she has but she wouldn't get anywhere . She cant afford a solicitor and the system always wins . Unless you are already rich you're fucked in this country
She needs to go to the likes of CAB mate.
A tribunal does not cost and it is her right to do so...CAB will help her with all the forms and guide her through the process..please encourage her to do so I promise I will tell her this as I didn't know that myself . I'm sure as it's government cutbacks she won't get anywhere but I will try . Thanks
Please do tell her, I had to go to tribunal for my youngest son, he was given no points originally and I had help and won. Over 65% of decisions are overturned at tribunal. And in her circumstances she definitely is entitled to pip and esa in the support group. There are lots of voluntary agencies that can give support in form filling and also help her with any other help. And Macmillan also offer that help as well. X "I'll help her all I can of course but she shouldn't have had to go through this in the first place . The anger she is feeling is making her sicker . I dunno if she with Mcmillan or not I don't speak to her every day | |||
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" She needs to go to the likes of CAB mate. A tribunal does not cost and it is her right to do so...CAB will help her with all the forms and guide her through the process..please encourage her to do so I promise I will tell her this as I didn't know that myself . I'm sure as it's government cutbacks she won't get anywhere but I will try . Thanks
Please do tell her, I had to go to tribunal for my youngest son, he was given no points originally and I had help and won. Over 65% of decisions are overturned at tribunal. And in her circumstances she definitely is entitled to pip and esa in the support group. There are lots of voluntary agencies that can give support in form filling and also help her with any other help. And Macmillan also offer that help as well. X I'll help her all I can of course but she shouldn't have had to go through this in the first place . The anger she is feeling is making her sicker . I dunno if she with Mcmillan or not I don't speak to her every day "Well it's nice of you to help her, but she should honestly get some professional help as the wording you need to use in the forms to say the same thing can be a nightmare. Hopefully one of the cancer charities should help. X | |||
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" She needs to go to the likes of CAB mate. A tribunal does not cost and it is her right to do so...CAB will help her with all the forms and guide her through the process..please encourage her to do so I promise I will tell her this as I didn't know that myself . I'm sure as it's government cutbacks she won't get anywhere but I will try . Thanks
Please do tell her, I had to go to tribunal for my youngest son, he was given no points originally and I had help and won. Over 65% of decisions are overturned at tribunal. And in her circumstances she definitely is entitled to pip and esa in the support group. There are lots of voluntary agencies that can give support in form filling and also help her with any other help. And Macmillan also offer that help as well. X I'll help her all I can of course but she shouldn't have had to go through this in the first place . The anger she is feeling is making her sicker . I dunno if she with Mcmillan or not I don't speak to her every day
Well it's nice of you to help her, but she should honestly get some professional help as the wording you need to use in the forms to say the same thing can be a nightmare. Hopefully one of the cancer charities should help. X "Yes your correct as in her case the likes of mamillan should be her preferred route. | |||
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" She needs to go to the likes of CAB mate. A tribunal does not cost and it is her right to do so...CAB will help her with all the forms and guide her through the process..please encourage her to do so I promise I will tell her this as I didn't know that myself . I'm sure as it's government cutbacks she won't get anywhere but I will try . Thanks
Please do tell her, I had to go to tribunal for my youngest son, he was given no points originally and I had help and won. Over 65% of decisions are overturned at tribunal. And in her circumstances she definitely is entitled to pip and esa in the support group. There are lots of voluntary agencies that can give support in form filling and also help her with any other help. And Macmillan also offer that help as well. X I'll help her all I can of course but she shouldn't have had to go through this in the first place . The anger she is feeling is making her sicker . I dunno if she with Mcmillan or not I don't speak to her every day
Well it's nice of you to help her, but she should honestly get some professional help as the wording you need to use in the forms to say the same thing can be a nightmare. Hopefully one of the cancer charities should help. X
Yes your correct as in her case the likes of mamillan should be her preferred route. " Thanks | |||
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"You can apply for an advanced payment until your first payment comes through I applied and got an advance of £400" my understand is they can advance you some money... but a maximum of 2 weeks money to then be taken back over the 1st 6 months of UC......... | |||
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